#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-08-28

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[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> any idea how to specify a binutils version for openembedded to use? the version it's trying to download doesn't exist
[1:02] <ukscone> hurricane just got to norfolk virginia
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[1:02] <Welsh> o/
[1:25] <ReggieUK> so it's made landfall now ukscone?
[1:26] <ukscone> nope not yet
[1:26] <ukscone> land fall is long beach long island
[1:27] <ukscone> about 50 miles away
[1:27] <ukscone> not until about 3am
[1:27] <ReggieUK> some time away then
[1:29] <ukscone> yup
[1:29] <ukscone> not even windy yet
[1:39] <Welsh> It's only a cat 2 though right?
[1:46] <ukscone> cat one when it hits nyc
[1:46] <ukscone> tropical storm by the timee it hits upstate
[1:47] <ukscone> bloody heavy rain atm though
[1:47] <ukscone> just stuck my head out of the window pulled it back in and i'm dripping
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[2:24] <diggy> hi all
[2:30] <Welsh> hey
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[2:34] <ReggieUK> hi
[2:36] <ReggieUK> apparently irene made landfall in north carolina
[2:36] <ReggieUK> 7 dead so far :/
[2:36] <ukscone> grazed it. it'll kick out again as nc sticks out a bit
[2:36] <ReggieUK> including some idiot who thought it would be cool to go surfing in florida
[2:37] <ukscone> yup and some guy in nyc fell off a ladder boarding up his windows and is critical
[2:37] <ReggieUK> darwin claims another soul (surfer)
[2:38] <ukscone> hey ReggieUK isn't it passed your bedtime?
[2:38] <ReggieUK> not quite
[2:39] <ukscone> time for bed said zebeedee
[2:39] <ReggieUK> BOING
[2:39] <ukscone> and they all went to bed
[2:39] <ukscone> ok so ReggieUK is at least 35 years old
[2:39] <ReggieUK> ha
[2:40] <ukscone> now lets see if we can get closer
[2:40] <ukscone> hmmmmm idris the dragon
[2:40] <ukscone> name that show
[2:40] <ReggieUK> ooooh, erm, ivor the engine?
[2:40] <ukscone> ReggieUK: 1 correct
[2:40] <ukscone> the bloody things stuck again
[2:41] <ReggieUK> which thing?
[2:41] <ukscone> ok that one mught be a bit hard
[2:41] <ukscone> complete this sentence
[2:41] <ukscone> pugh pugh barney macgrew
[2:42] <ReggieUK> cuthbert, dibble, grubb
[2:42] <ukscone> correct
[2:42] <Welsh> But i knew that and i'm 19
[2:42] <ukscone> :)
[2:42] <ukscone> the black pig
[2:43] <ukscone> from which show?
[2:43] <Welsh> Want to answer....
[2:43] <ReggieUK> that would be captain pugwash
[2:43] <ukscone> correct
[2:43] <ukscone> ok which show had hartley the hare?
[2:44] <ukscone> correction hartley hare
[2:44] <ReggieUK> pipkins?
[2:44] <ukscone> yup
[2:44] <ukscone> ok you are at least in your 40s i'd guess
[2:44] <ukscone> can you name the show that had thee panda that solved the magic squares
[2:45] <ReggieUK> nope
[2:45] <ukscone> neither can i am it is driving me nuts
[2:45] <ReggieUK> doesn't ring any bells
[2:45] <ukscone> it was on just before crown court at lunch times in the 70s
[2:45] <ukscone> i used to watch it and crown court before going back to primary and junior school after going home for lunch
[2:46] <ReggieUK> google says issi noho?
[2:46] <ukscone> that sounds about right
[2:46] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issi_Noho
[2:46] <ukscone> and then there was the one based on the book olga the polga that was a book and a kids show
[2:47] <ukscone> Welsh: welshmullet?
[2:47] <Welsh> Yes
[2:47] <ukscone> bloody young whippersnapper -- now get off my lawn
[2:47] <Welsh> :D
[2:48] <ukscone> ReggieUK: welsh is too young to know about all the good kids tv there used to be before cbbcbies or whatever it's called these days
[2:48] <ukscone> the clangers FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2:48] <Welsh> Hey, i was alive when there were only 5 channels
[2:48] <ReggieUK> ahahaha, yeah, with the soup dragon
[2:48] <ukscone> ReggieUK: and that's where the line "the bloody things stuck again" comes from
[2:48] <Welsh> bbc 1, bbc 2, ITV, S4C and Channel 5 :P
[2:48] <ukscone> i was alive when there were only 3
[2:48] <ReggieUK> from the clangers?
[2:49] <ukscone> yup but whistle it
[2:49] <Thorn_> pity they cancelled alf garnett/till death us do part, it was great for educating kids
[2:49] <ukscone> http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2010/03/08/clangers/
[2:49] <Welsh> thomas the tank engine anyone?
[2:49] <ReggieUK> yeah, hey kids, watch this, it'll show you how not to be a bigot!!
[2:49] <Thorn_> :D
[2:49] <ukscone> yeah sherdicuff sherdicuff
[2:50] <ReggieUK> ivor the engine?
[2:50] <ukscone> aty least that's how i spell the sound ivor made
[2:50] <ukscone> thomas i mean
[2:50] <ukscone> bloodyt stupid cat typing on my keyboard again pretending to be me
[2:50] <ReggieUK> mine was pshticuff for ivor
[2:51] <ReggieUK> jackanory
[2:51] <ReggieUK> you haven't lived til you've watched a whole book!!
[2:51] <ukscone> i bet if they remade the clangers now they'd all carry bfg9000's
[2:51] <ukscone> play school
[2:51] <ukscone> lets see what's through the round window
[2:52] <ReggieUK> jamie and his magic torch
[2:52] <ReggieUK> crystal tips and alistair
[2:52] <ukscone> i wasn't allowed to watch tiswas as it was too low brow according to my parents. magpie either because it was on itv our house was a blue peter house
[2:52] <ukscone> mr benn
[2:52] <ReggieUK> baba papa
[2:52] <ReggieUK> tiswas was a bit subversive
[2:53] <ukscone> ReggieUK: remember freff from microlive or was it the computer show -- one of those two anyway
[2:53] <ukscone> the phantom flan flinger
[2:53] <ReggieUK> lenny henry
[2:54] <ReggieUK> the young ones
[2:54] <ReggieUK> did you get to watch that?
[2:54] <ukscone> i never liked the young ones until about 15 years ago
[2:54] <ukscone> but not the nine o'clock news was good
[2:54] <ReggieUK> it was *the* program to watch when I was at secondary school
[2:55] <ReggieUK> just soooo funny
[2:55] <ReggieUK> like python funny
[2:55] <ukscone> soem mother's do 'ave 'em
[2:55] <ReggieUK> he did all his own stunts
[2:55] <ukscone> we are now confusing welsh -- he's probably muttering about old foggies :)
[2:56] <ReggieUK> which was quite mental considering some of the stuff he got up to
[2:56] <ukscone> yeah
[2:56] <ukscone> rememebr the roller skates one
[2:56] <Welsh> Sorry, i was watching my compile log so i missed that
[2:56] <ReggieUK> yes, kinda
[2:56] <ukscone> that was amazing when you think he actually did it all
[2:57] <Welsh> Well, i was 1992, so shows around thomas the tank, tellitubbies etc
[2:57] <ukscone> Welsh: in the olden days we also used a different type of money too :) pennies were almost 2 inches in diameter :)
[2:57] <Welsh> Yea, i've seen some :P
[2:57] <ReggieUK> tellietubbies make me break out in hives and want to punch plush toys
[2:58] <ukscone> and you could get 12 sticks of liquiorice for a penny until 73 :(
[2:58] <Welsh> Time for tubby bye-byes
[2:58] <ukscone> bloody europe and decimalization
[2:58] <Welsh> Naughty noo-noo~!
[2:58] <Welsh> Surely it makes money easier? :P
[2:59] <ukscone> ReggieUK: you hold welsh down and i'll beat him around the head with a clue by four -- bloody teletubbies
[2:59] <ReggieUK> time for tubby die die
[2:59] <Thorn_> ? teletubbies were great
[2:59] <ukscone> ReggieUK: are you over 40?
[2:59] <ReggieUK> yes
[3:00] <ukscone> did you get taught to read using ITA?
[3:00] <ReggieUK> that rings a bell
[3:00] <ReggieUK> the cards?
[3:00] <ukscone> they had cards but it wa sphonetic spelling
[3:00] <ukscone> and weird shite
[3:00] <ukscone> really effed me up
[3:00] <ukscone> beign dsylexic too
[3:00] <ukscone> being dyslexic even
[3:01] <ukscone> http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/vangogh/555/Spell/ita-eval.html
[3:02] <ukscone> except that is a fixed version the one in the late 60s and early 70s was not very good
[3:02] <ukscone> ReggieUK: rememebr sing the alpha and beta books for math and the pirate books for reading?
[3:02] <ReggieUK> I don't actually remember too much about it
[3:03] <ukscone> too much beer since?
[3:03] <ReggieUK> I remember we had these cards that were properly produced with stuff to do on them, don't remember pheonetics as such though
[3:04] <ReggieUK> I do remember struggling a bit with that system until my last year at primary school
[3:04] <ReggieUK> I just had to work harder then I 'got it'
[3:04] <ukscone> thatw as probably the same year our school janitor burned down the school
[3:04] <ukscone> :)
[3:07] <ReggieUK> not sure how they teach duslexics these days but I always felt that they were too narrow in their teaching methods
[3:08] <ReggieUK> same with non dyslexics
[3:08] <ukscone> yup
[3:08] <ReggieUK> different kids respond differently to different methods :)
[3:08] <ukscone> i never agreed with teaching methods -- they had a cool school near us that had some weird methods but always looked cool
[3:09] <ukscone> countesthorpe -- the kids called teachers by their first name, could choose what and when to learn and how often they'd actually go to class
[3:10] <ReggieUK> they did that at my school (apart from the name thing) but you had to be really naughty to get to that point
[3:10] <ukscone> yup that was the same thing too there
[3:11] <ukscone> basically you had to be expelled from about 5 schools to get ther ebut i kept thinkign of ways to get placed there -- never did though
[3:11] <ukscone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countesthorpe_Community_College
[3:12] <ReggieUK> no one ever stopped and tried to engage with the kids though, to see what might compel them to go to school and do well in subjects
[3:14] <ukscone> i'm going to be really interested to see how well the r-pi does getting into education
[3:14] <ukscone> i am really hoping they succeed but i have my doubts if it'll be easy or quick
[3:15] <ReggieUK> McMullan and his teachers were trying to develop autonomous learners, people who would be able to succeed because they had learnt how to learn.
[3:15] <ReggieUK> that one sentence is outstanding
[3:15] <ukscone> we didn' actually have computer classes at high school or before though, just a couple of years too early
[3:15] <ukscone> yup my son went to the secondary school for research that in theory was supposed to teach them how to research stuff rather than learn facts
[3:16] <ukscone> but unfortunatly the new school chancellor made it that they had to teach to the test and a test every 6 weeks so they never really learnt what they were supposed ot be taught
[3:16] <ReggieUK> I was told not to take computer sciences because I already knew too much, which is kind of ironic, they totally underestimated what the qualification would have done for me
[3:16] <ukscone> bit like me with science
[3:17] <ukscone> but i wasn't in the stream to do academics so wasn't alowed to do latin or french or anything that i could use to get in to cambridge or oxford only the sciences that i already had my exams for
[3:18] <ukscone> at the time you needed a foreign language to get into a decent university and they didn't count english :) even though i got grade u's in english lang and a b in english lit
[3:19] <ukscone> did get to go an blow up bbc micro's in leicester university physics dept. on work experience though
[3:19] <ReggieUK> :)
[3:19] <ReggieUK> I got to do my work experience at the computer department at brighton university
[3:19] <ukscone> it's not my fault that the bbc micro didn't like 240v mains electricty directly in it's tube
[3:20] <ukscone> i had the choice of three careers chemistry, catering or computers. was 1 week away from boot camp in the catering corp when my acceptence into a science ond arrived
[3:21] <ukscone> so did an ond and a b/tec in social studies and science
[3:21] <ReggieUK> I think it's my bed time
[3:21] <ukscone> what is it? about 2:30am?
[3:21] <ReggieUK> I had a hard time at school
[3:21] <ReggieUK> yeah
[3:21] <ReggieUK> didn't get any qualifications until I was much older
[3:22] <ukscone> so did i but my teacher signature forging skills are still quite good
[3:22] <ukscone> i was looking into doing an OU course but they want 13 grand a year to do it int he states
[3:22] <ReggieUK> which was really stuff I should've got done at school
[3:22] <ReggieUK> ouch, that's nasty, ??13k
[3:23] <ukscone> yeah a friend in the uk paid about 5 grand for the whole 5 year degree in cs
[3:23] <ReggieUK> you could go to a real university for less than that for the year
[3:23] <ukscone> my son will be in debt to the tune of 50 grand when he graduates in 2 years
[3:23] <ukscone> costs him about 8 grand a year plus books
[3:24] <ukscone> anyway night ReggieUK sleep well and don't let the bed bugs bite
[3:25] <ReggieUK> aye :)
[3:25] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[3:42] <Welsh> *pokes chat*
[3:43] <ukscone> *peeks chat*
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[4:02] <Lerc> You are not carrying the chat.
[4:09] <ukscone> irene downgrded to a tropical storm by thee time it gets near to nyc :(
[4:17] <Welsh> Isn't that good?
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[4:56] <DaQatz> Hopefully it will just be heavy rain by the time it gets to me.
[5:27] <DaQatz> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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[10:57] <RobinJ> quake 3 on a device the size of a bussinescard :|
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[12:35] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks. In preparation for some maintenance, we need to do a bit of re-hubbing. This is going to basically involve nearly all of EU splitting from US - so it's going to be noisy. Sorry for the inconvenience, and I'll send another message when we're done.
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[12:49] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone - that's the end of the ride. Everything that needs to be is now re-hubbed, so thanks for your patience and for using freenode, and sorry for the noise. Ask in #freenode with questions. :)
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[13:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Seems to be a lot quieter here when I am not bugging people =(
[13:30] <ReggieUK> indeed
[13:30] <ReggieUK> g'morning
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Hello
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> What's everyone up to?
[13:33] <ReggieUK> I've just woken up
[13:34] <ReggieUK> anyone know of a predator for seagulls?
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> idn? what's the opposite of fish and chips?
[13:34] <Thorn_> spihc dna hsif
[13:34] <ReggieUK> ahahaha
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> there's also the aspirin thing, but that's not very nice.
[13:35] <ReggieUK> no I don't want to physically hurt them
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> That's not opposite, that's just reverse >=/
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> you want to hurt them emotionally?
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> say they smell bad and should get jobs
[13:35] <ReggieUK> I want them to bog off and not wake me up in the morning
[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Why are they there in the first place? Is there something attracting them?
[13:36] <ReggieUK> human habitation
[13:36] <ReggieUK> its a port
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Be that angry old lady who yells at people who feed birds, I guess.
[13:37] <ReggieUK> they also attack humans and other animals when they feel like it
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you could also get those spike strips and nets
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> we have them all over the place to get rid of pigeons
[13:40] <ReggieUK> they'd just move to the next available spot
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> you can sleep with ear plugs I guess. I work at night sometimes so to sleep through the day , earplugs help.
[13:42] <ReggieUK> I get sore ears from things like that
[13:42] <Thorn_> same
[13:42] <ReggieUK> and of course I'd prefer to hear a smoke alarm if it went off
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Get the ones which mould to your ear. It's like putty which you put in your ear, leave it there for a while to cure the plastic and then you have custom rubbery ear plugs which feel like they're not there. And they allow the high frequencies through as well.
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I am also a motorcyclist, so I use those to make sure I don't lose my hearing too soon. =) The wind noise is really bad for your ears.
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> hamilton out of the grand prix
[14:29] <ReggieUK> hit a barrier
[14:30] <ReggieUK> not sure if anyone is interested but we got some images of the inside of the new leapfrog pad device
[14:30] <ReggieUK> https://plus.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wX#
[14:31] <ReggieUK> interesting little chip on the right hand side of the board (u44)
[14:31] <ReggieUK> it's an eMMC controller
[14:32] <ReggieUK> so to all intents and purposes the system believes it's got an SD card connected to it
[14:32] <ReggieUK> and there is a 2GB nand chip attached to that
[14:34] <ReggieUK> I believe, like the explorer unit before it, that it's using NOR to store the bootloader on
[14:35] <ReggieUK> I wonder if the 'booting' from the gpu side of things is set in stone on the r-pi?
[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne> That link doesn't go anywhere useful
[14:35] <ReggieUK> because on the leapfrog arm9 SoC there are a set of pins that depending how they're set when the unit powers up, will boot off different devices
[14:36] <ReggieUK> uart, nand, nor
[14:36] <ReggieUK> one sec, I'll see if I can grab it and put it on photobucket
[14:38] <ReggieUK> http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/SkyAndStuff/LeapPad_-_PCB_Main-Bottom_Half.jpg
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> The tracks are a bit strange
[14:44] <ShiftPlusOne> why all the squigglies?
[14:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Lots of long thick tracks running parallel to each other as well =/
[14:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and loops =\
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, why are the tracks coming off the samsung DRAM chip all strange?
[14:46] <mdavey> the squigglies are because it is essnetial for high-speed lines to all be the same length
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[14:47] <ReggieUK> what mdavey said
[14:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't seen that on a board before
[14:47] <ShiftPlusOne> but considering how long they are wouldn't they be subject to interference without shielding?
[14:48] <mdavey> so if you have 8 lines that all turn through 90 degrees between say ram and CPU, some traces would be shorter than others unless you take steps to correct.
[14:48] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/images/4/48/Scanned-desoldered-mainboard-front-v2.jpg
[14:48] <ReggieUK> that's from a didj unit
[14:48] <ReggieUK> pretty much the same hardware
[14:49] <ReggieUK> do we have a detailed pinout of the broadcom chip in the r-pi?
[14:50] <ReggieUK> or any kind of datasheet?
[14:50] <mdavey> ShiftPlusOne they can be, yea. Capacitance between traces can also be a problem on long parallel runs. That's why a lot of modern interfaces use differential signalling (think LVDS for instance).
[14:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, do both of those boards have the same number of layers?
[14:51] <ReggieUK> I believe so
[14:51] <mdavey> ReggieUK: not yet. I asked on the forum yesterday and Liz said they hope to soon, but need to work through some commercials still. She doesn't currently know how long it'll be until the datasheet is made available by Broadcom (without an NDA in place)
[14:52] <ReggieUK> do you think 'openness' will be an issue with the r-pi?
[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, I didn't know the broadcom chip number was meant to be a secret. They accidentally released it when they uploaded the video about the alpha boards, but I didn't think much of it.
[14:52] <ReggieUK> I've heard broadcom weren't too community friendly in the past
[14:53] <mdavey> no more so than with most other vendors
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, well the interface is GPLed, isn't it?
[14:53] <ReggieUK> so we will get as much gpl'd code as we need?
[14:54] <ReggieUK> with leapfrog they give us kernel sources, drivers and oe/bitbake
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Eben pretty much said most of it is proprietary, but GPLed. Not usre how it works, but yeah.
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> *sure
[14:54] <mdavey> There is strong evidence that Broadcom are becoming more open, but with any large organisation of this type, it takes time to change the minds of the decision makers. I guess Broadcom is 3 years behind TI in this regard.
[14:54] <ReggieUK> but they omit their proprietary gui stuff and we don't get anything for the opengl ES lite portion of their LF1000 SoC
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> TI being the jerks who went after people hacking the TI-83/84 calculators >=/
[14:55] <ReggieUK> that's been something I've been assessing over the last few days with the forums, information released, general questions asked and answers given :)
[14:55] <mdavey> Before Beagleboard, TI behaved very much like old Broadcom.
[14:56] <ReggieUK> with the leapfrog explorer units, leapfrog even managed to put a slip of paper with the GPL license on it informing us of our right to ask them for code
[14:57] <ReggieUK> which we promptly did
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> You sure do like your Leapfrog =)
[14:57] <mdavey> That is actually a contractual requirement. Every vendor is required to do that if the product contains GPL code.
[14:57] <ReggieUK> they're ok little units (or at least they will be til the r-pi comes out)
[14:58] <mdavey> http://gpl-violations.org/
[14:58] <ReggieUK> mdavey, sure but it's not something we expected to see
[14:58] <ReggieUK> we were well aware of the GPL license, it was on their site after all but actually putting it in the box isn't something I've heard of
[14:59] <mdavey> Jusually its burried somewhere in amongst the other legal cruft in the main manual.
[14:59] <ReggieUK> ahh
[14:59] <ReggieUK> I must say I don't in general look out for it
[15:00] <ReggieUK> just get them home and void the warranty :D
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Lol... I normally void the warranty of stuff as soon as I get it as well
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think I have anything with the warranty seal still on it
[15:01] <ReggieUK> some of our groups code ends up getting back into their sources too on the next release if we come up with something funky
[15:01] <ReggieUK> one of our group got their mmc/sd code put in their drivers
[15:02] <mdavey> I remember when I was about 6, going over to my best friend's house on his birthday. He had got a brand new toy robot that walked.
[15:02] <ReggieUK> you didn't, did you?
[15:02] <mdavey> Within about 5 minutes, I had whipped the batteries out, turned them around and had the robot doing the moonwalk.
[15:02] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... that reminds me of something. I wonder what happened to MS' patent on the battery holder which can ignore the polarity of batteries.
[15:04] <mdavey> I think it must have been soon after that, that I started taking things apart to see how they worked. I'm no different now - just purchased an amazing keyring video camera from ebay for 99p. Took that apart to see which controller and camera module it was using.
[15:05] <ReggieUK> what does it use?
[15:05] <ReggieUK> I've got 3 philips webcams that need some hot iron love
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> mdavey, as Dave Jones would say "Don't turn it on! Take it apart!" =)
[15:06] <ReggieUK> you can modify these philips webcams for long exposure, amp off and add peltier/fan cooling
[15:07] <mdavey> Couldn't identify the camera module. Processor is Syntek.
[15:07] <mdavey> http://www.chucklohr.com/808/
[15:08] <mdavey> Think it is probably an OV7670 camera sensor.
[15:13] <ReggieUK> got a link to the ebay seller or are they fairly easy to find?
[15:14] <ukscone> well that hurricane was a complete waste of time. bit damp but the wind was useleess not even enough to fly a kite
[15:17] <ReggieUK> meanwhile, long beach loses a lifeguard hut
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[15:24] <ReggieUK> hi ukscone :)
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> mdavey, with the wiki.... are there restrictions on the number of pages? It seems like there is too much information on a single page.
[15:24] <ukscone> hi ReggieUK
[15:25] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning, ukscone
[15:26] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: it's been a while but to get the arm stuff with qemu iirc you have to install qemu-kvm or something like that -- it's not in thee core qemu package
[15:26] <ukscone> and morning ShiftPlusOne
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I am not using ubuntu anyway, I'm on OpenSUSE and that includes everything in the wemu package
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> *qemu
[15:27] <ukscone> ubuntu because it's based on debian uses the debian braindead packaging system
[15:27] <ukscone> s/braindead/political zealot
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I've never had a problem with apt-get though
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> my all-time favourite package management system is portage though... it's just epic.
[15:29] <ukscone> apt is evil :) it's ok but the way debian decide to package some stuff is completly mental and they only do it to piss people off especially upstream
[15:29] <ReggieUK> apt is a pita (probably because of my n00bish-ness)
[15:30] <ReggieUK> it's ok if you know the name of the package you want
[15:30] <ReggieUK> but if you don't know the -dev named package you specifically need you're screwed
[15:30] <ukscone> ReggieUK: it's not that bad. use apt-cache search and you normally find it just the naming is rubbish
[15:31] <ReggieUK> I should really look into more of apts commands
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> apt-get and apt-cache are the only two I've ever needed
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't ever mention them in the PCLinuxOS channel though... because apparently that's "preaching archaic methodology" or something.
[15:35] <ReggieUK> I'll remember that one for when I need to do some baiting to lighten my day
[15:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if it's still like that. There was one op who was a complete jerk to everyone. I googled his username and found pages of complaints about him. But yeah... haven't used PCLinuxOS since, though it's an excellent beginner distro.
[15:37] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway, that's neither here nor there... back to compiling!
[15:38] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: so your dropbox link is just unzip and run?
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> It's just a windows qemu-system-arm binary, the necessary DLLs and a kernel, nothing else.
[15:40] <ukscone> ok
[15:41] <Thorn_> link? :p
[15:41] <ukscone> compiling qemu is a PITA so it'll save ppl alot of heartache
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, and that version for windows was just unavailable anywhere... took me ages to compile it.
[15:41] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: which version of the source for qemu? the stable tarball or the svn ver with some arm1176 patches?
[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/qemu-system-arm.zip
[15:42] <Thorn_> ty
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> 0.15.0, no arm1176 patches. I was told arm1136-r2 was close enough
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, let me know if it works
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> or if it's missing some dlls
[15:44] <ukscone> ok -- the patches are fairly recent -- july and early august when i was looking
[15:44] <Thorn_> libssp-0.dll missing
[15:46] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, are you sure? I don't see it anywhere on my computer O_o
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> found it
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> updated http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/qemu-system-arm.zip any thing else missing?
[15:53] <Thorn_> seems to work
[15:53] <ukscone> yup
[15:54] <ukscone> i had the libssp error before the new one fixed that -- need to get a kernel and rootfs now
[15:54] <ShiftPlusOne> "qemu-system-arm.exe -M versatilepb -cpu arm1136-r2 -kernel uImage" should boot if everything is fine. It will fail since there's no rootfs, obviously.
[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ....does it boot the kernel?
[16:00] <Thorn_> yes
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ok... I think I'll throw in a gentoo stage3 and make it a proper environment
[16:00] <Thorn_> :D
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[16:21] <Thorn_> i screwed up :<
[16:21] <Thorn_> ordered something from america in ebay, oblivious to all the hassle with customs etc
[16:22] <Thorn_> so the shop hasn't dispatched the item yet so i asked a refund, even though the listing clearly says 'NO REFUNDS', hoping i can get the money back as they have not dispatched the item
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[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have any kind of consumer protection?
[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> over here they can't just say "No Refunds"... if there is something wrong with the item, you can always return it.
[16:25] <Thorn_> ebay buyer protection
[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> no, I mean legal protection
[16:25] <Thorn_> i'm kind of hoping there's some part of the law that says 'if they don't dispatch the item, they have to refund the money'
[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> So when I ordered something by mistake, I noticed it had already been opened but listed as 'brand new' so I managed to get a refund
[16:25] <Thorn_> because obviously i am the one in the wrong for ordering it in the first place
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but if you can find a way to make it their fault then you can get out of it.... most sellers are reasonable though, just ask them first.
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> they really don't want negative feedback... that hurts sales a lot more than you think
[16:26] <Thorn_> i did, got a generic 1-2 business days for processing inquiry response, kinda crossing my fingers
[16:26] <Thorn_> else it's ??200 i just wasted to NOT buy an item
[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> What was the item anyway?
[16:27] <Thorn_> they have 13.5k feedback and a goldstar rating, i doubt me being disgruntled will affect them at all
[16:27] <Thorn_> rocketraid2314
[16:27] <Thorn_> 4 esata ports for 20 drives max
[16:29] <ukscone> Thorn_: even though the seller says no refunds ebay has buyer protection and will give refunds. i had a few things get refunds that way
[16:29] <Thorn_> right, but does that apply in this case?
[16:29] <ukscone> Thorn_: it shoudl do
[16:29] * Thorn_ hopes so
[16:29] <ukscone> i had a seller not send something for a month and ebay kicked the seller off and refunded my money
[16:30] <Thorn_> just worried that i wont get the money back as i'm in the wrong for ordering the item without considering import fees etc
[16:30] <Thorn_> they have over 1k negative feedback it seems
[16:30] <Thorn_> but a lot of "customer could not pay customs, was issued a refund" replies from the seller
[16:30] <Thorn_> hoping it applies
[16:30] <ukscone> Thorn_: see if they'll let you do a locla pick up -- buy a flight to the us and pick it up -- ok it'll cost you but better than losing 200plus quid
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> There's always a way to get a refund... you just have to be smart about it.
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> well, the gentoo stage3 files work as a rootfs
[16:31] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes a baseball bat to the groin works wonders
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[16:34] <Thorn_> hmm looking at their negative feedback, they seem to be very understanding...
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[16:35] <ukscone> is all their neg feedback just over the customs thing?
[16:35] <Thorn_> quite a lot of it
[16:35] <ukscone> if it is then they probably are
[16:35] <Thorn_> i'd say 70%
[16:35] <Thorn_> but they refunded most of those guys anyway...
[16:35] <ukscone> it might take you a few emails and stuff but you'll probably get it back eventually
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[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a way to use qemu to chroot into foreign directory
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> by foreign I mean containing arm binaries
[16:41] * ReggieUK would really like to learn qenu properly
[16:41] <ReggieUK> qemu even
[16:41] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: er yes but it's been years since i did that and i think it's only for x86
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I think I saw something about that on the gentoo-embedded handbook... I'll check
[16:42] <ukscone> last time i did that was user mode qemu and 0.9.something
[16:42] <ukscone> it's user mode qemu to do it though
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=5
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, it's there
[16:44] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: if you get all this working right both system and usermode you should put together a package with both linux and windows qemu binaries
[16:45] <ukscone> that way we can knock up a thumbdrive that can be inserted in a windows or linux system
[16:45] <ukscone> and used to develope for the r-pi
[16:46] <ukscone> i've doen that with other devices and using vm's too and it is quite handy
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I've only got x86_64 linux files
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't really know much about linux binaries... there seems to be a lot of hassle with how they're linked and all that
[16:47] <ukscone> does qemu still need a gcc 3.xx to build?
[16:47] <ukscone> i know a couple of years back you had to use a gcc 3.x to build it and it was a pita if your normal gcc was 4.x
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt it.... gentoo compiles it properly without needing gcc 3 I think
[16:48] <ukscone> great
[16:48] <ukscone> ok i can start messing with some bits and bobs then
[16:49] <ukscone> however i need to finish this project that i had to recover my busted harddisk for. so i better stop getting sidetracked
[16:50] <ReggieUK> you could always tutorialise how you built the images, then let people adapt to their tastes
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> me?
[16:53] <Thorn_> mingle seems to have had a heartattack
[16:53] <Thorn_> "error establishing a database connection" on the forum
[16:54] <Thorn_> nvm its back
[16:55] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, yes
[16:56] <ReggieUK> not trying to pile work on you or anything, we just tend to tutorialise didj stuff, then everyone learns
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember what I did, lol.
[16:59] <ukscone> Thorn_: probably the slashdot crowd hitting the server
[17:01] <Thorn_> oh right, it got slashdotted for the q3 video
[17:01] <mdavey> ShiftPlusOne: no, there are no restrictions. I was planning to move the distributions section off to a new page soon.
[17:02] <ukscone> mdavey: what's the wiki url? i could check myself but i'm lazy
[17:03] <mdavey> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard
[17:03] <mdavey> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardBeginners
[17:03] <ukscone> tah muchly
[17:03] <mdavey> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardTasks
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[17:04] <ukscone> thanks thought shoudl add it to the topic
[17:04] <mdavey> Thinking of ditching the articles section too, and just linking back to the sticky on the forum. I can't keep it up to date - it chnages too often
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[17:04] <mdavey> ukscone: /topic currently "unofficial" discussion channel for the RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ the $25 computer -- FAQs: http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=8 -- Wiki & Specs: http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard -- logs available at http://srv.datagutt1.com/
[17:05] <mdavey> ...would be good to lonk to the FAQs also
[17:05] <ukscone> ok
[17:05] <mdavey> s/lonk/link/ ;)
[17:05] * mdavey does quite like the idea of lonking to the FAQs
[17:05] <DaQatz> Storm keeps knock the power off..
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[17:07] <ukscone> ok topic set correctly
[17:07] <mdavey> thankx :D
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[17:15] <ukscone> lol
[17:16] <ukscone> i just went to get more coffee
[17:16] <ukscone> one of the cats was sitting on my bikes saddle with his paws on the handle bars looking down at the othetr cat who is by the front wheel
[17:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, what bike?
[17:19] <mdavey> Some really positive comments against the r.pi story on the front page (quake 3 demo)
[17:20] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: a crappy hybrid that is too heavy for me to carry up and down 3 flights but the landlord won't let me chain it to the fence
[17:21] <ukscone> if i win the lottery i'd buy a decent bike as i am back into cycling. used to cycle 200 300 miles a week when i was young and managed to get a bike again a few years ago, only do 30 to 40 miles a week now though
[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I thought you meant a motorcycle
[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> my mind is elsewhere
[17:21] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: nah, no driving license in the usa -- let it expire about 10 years ago
[17:21] <ukscone> did have a triumph in the uk though
[17:22] <ukscone> did you know moses was the first guy to ride a motorbike?
[17:22] <ukscone> the bible says and moses roared across the land on his triumph
[17:22] <Thorn_> haha
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> rofl
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> love it... time to find the reference and memorise it.
[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find it =(
[17:25] <ukscone> not sure which version of the bible it is but a concordance should find it
[17:27] <ukscone> this is the actual quote -- i misquoted "the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> nope... only shows up on motorcycle forums, can't find it on biblegateway
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> searched all of the versions they've got... might be in some other translation though
[17:36] <ukscone> yup i know it's somewhere i just can't remember the verse
[17:36] <ukscone> i remember hearing about it in sunday school
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> That's what they teach, huh?
[17:37] <Thorn_> http://www.ledato.de/shop_content.php?coID=14&language=en&gclid=CInOwPSo8qoCFW0JtAodjW-mOw interesting
[17:40] <Thorn_> 10x worse than rpi tho
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, rpi has some clear advantages
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[17:52] <DaQatz> Thorn_, costs a lot more too.
[17:57] <amandarn> Hey btw, I've got a question about the RPI... do you have any idea if there will be enough when it'll be buyable ?
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I think so. the batches need to be pretty large to get the price that low
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and since the first batch won't have any full OS on it, it's not going to be appealing to the public at large
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> then again, I am guessing some people will buy 50
[17:59] * Thorn_ giggles
[17:59] <Thorn_> not straight away, but after the first two, probably an order of 10+ :D
[18:14] <ReggieUK> I would like 2 probably at launch
[18:17] <amandarn> ShiftPlusOne: actually, me and my school will :x
[18:18] <amandarn> Well, first, 2, if it's okay... about 50 to 100
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[18:18] <DaQatz> Oy
[18:18] <ShiftPlusOne> amandarn, awesome! I had some doubts any schools would be interested... good to see people jumping onboard early.
[18:18] <DaQatz> Heard a tree fall. Then the power goes out again.
[18:19] <DaQatz> This getting old.
[18:19] <amandarn> ShiftPlusOne: well, it's not a primary school... it's an engineering one ;)
[18:20] <amandarn> And as we do embedded development, rpi would be awesome to teach "why you should never forget to free your damn vars !"
[18:20] <mdavey> I *think* Liz said they hope to have up to 10k available on the day of release. The BeagleBoard factory turns out 200+ units/week at full tilt - I'd expect the R.Pi factory to be able to match that.
[18:20] <ShiftPlusOne> amandarn, even better
[18:21] <amandarn> Oh
[18:21] <amandarn> 10k will be okay, i guess :)
[18:22] <DaQatz> mdavey, nice
[18:22] <amandarn> ShiftPlusOne: my graduation project is about home automation and multi-agent systems... Guess what I'd like to use as hardware :p
[18:23] <mdavey> In fact, if you assume they will be stockpiling for a month or so, you can probably work back to determine the factory throughput.
[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> amandarn, easy... arduino.
[18:24] <amandarn> Nope
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> (I know)
[18:25] <amandarn> Cheap ARM boards :p
[18:25] <amandarn> And my colleagues who work on a robot : Not that much cheap ARM boards
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, this opens a lot of great opportunities for my final year project as well =D
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> It didn't even occur to me that these boards should come out just in time.
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[18:30] <amandarn> heehee
[18:30] <ReggieUK> they should come out around my birthday
[18:31] <ReggieUK> so I may end up getting more than 1 or 2 :)
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I am thinking of doing a software project. I want to make a program that, given certain logic gates and truth table, will find the most efficient arrangement. Potentially I'd want it to make a whole ALU or a hack architecture CPU. I am not sure if that's good enough for a final year project though.
[18:32] <amandarn> final year or graduation ?
[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't know what a graduation project is. I am in Australia, so I am guessing we have different systems
[18:33] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yeah they just teach you how to rustle sheep and eat a meat pie -- once you have that mastered you have graduated :)
[18:33] * ukscone ducks
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[18:35] <amandarn> haha
[18:35] <ukscone> my son has to write an exit thesis to graduate -- it has according to him "be at least 20 pages long, that's like a whole book"
[18:35] <amandarn> ShiftPlusOne: what i try to call graduation project is the last projet i'll do in all my studies
[18:35] <amandarn> haha
[18:36] <amandarn> I have to write about 5 like that each year.
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> same here
[18:36] <amandarn> Except this year... this year is about 12.
[18:37] <amandarn> Still, I really love to write reports.
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... that's what I am awful at
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I like to get straight to the point without waffling, so when I write a report it's normally way too short to be acceptable.
[18:39] <ukscone> this semester the kid will only have to do about 16 papers as one of his classes is his peer counsoling practicum so for that he'll have to keep a journal and do 12 hours in the peer counsoling dept.
[18:39] <ukscone> so a bit less writing that normal
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... all this education talk is reminding me that I am procrastinating... and that takes away the satisfaction.
[18:40] <amandarn> I'm still configuring my new laptop
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[18:50] <ukscone> oh gawd ubuntu 11.4 is so fricking annoying -- wth did they use this bloody front end thing complete POS
[18:52] <ShiftPlusOne> to maximise screen space... because all of our desktops have small touchscreen displays.
[18:52] <ukscone> yeah well it sucks and is complete rubbish
[18:53] <ukscone> how the hell do i get rid of it
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[18:53] <Julian> hi
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> at the login screen, select the right session type
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Hello Julian
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> we've been expecting you
[18:53] <ReggieUK> burn it
[18:54] <Julian> oh noes
[18:54] <ReggieUK> brb
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[18:56] <ukscone> phew it's gone thank goodness
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> It's actually not as bad as it initially looks.
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Once you start using it and start getting used to it you realise it's actually much worse than that.
[18:57] <ukscone> if i wanted idiotproof i'd buy os x
[18:57] <ukscone> but then i'd be an idiot
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> especially since it wouldn't run without some hacking
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (on a non-mac PC)
[18:58] <ukscone> runs in virtualbox
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's cheating.
[18:58] <ukscone> i run everything in virtual box vm's
[18:58] <ukscone> except for my email and browser
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Back in my day, we didn't have virtualisation. >=/
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> though I am sure you're twice my age >.>
[18:59] <ukscone> :) yeah we were lucky to have keyboards
[18:59] <ukscone> we had to toggle our programs in on the frontpanel
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> like the altair?
[19:00] <ukscone> yeah
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> lucky
[19:00] <ukscone> and dinosaurs roamed the earth
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I feel like I missed out on that stage of history.
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> The first PCs.... not the dinosaurs.
[19:00] <ukscone> i lived next door to mr &mrs T. Rex
[19:01] <ukscone> i used soem nice ones in the olden days
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Especially having read iWoz, I really want to get my hands on an altair or an apple 1 clone
[19:02] <ukscone> my first real programmign job was an accounting suite written in compiled basic on cp/m then i ported it to rm cobol on the tandy
[19:03] <ukscone> i was still in college and i was given the job buy one of the owners of the company who drank in the pub i worked in most nights
[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> How did that come up in conversation? O_o
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> as in how do you get from a pub to "oh hey, here's a programming job"
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd actually like to move from electrical engineering to either web development or software development, but my resume is just awful.
[19:06] <amandarn> Juste make one
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and I suck at interviews.... and my marks are bad.... >.>
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> make one what?
[19:07] <amandarn> Make up a CV ;)
[19:07] <Julian> well theres always Bribe(TM)
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[19:07] <amandarn> I mean, just do stuff you like and put it on your CV
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I have all my interests and skills there, just no work experience
[19:09] <amandarn> I put my interests in my work experiences
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[19:10] <ukscone> i always did my homework in the pub between pouring pints and well the college was 100 yards from the pub
[19:10] <ukscone> and i had to come straight from lecture to work so norally still in my lab coat or carrying piles of printouts
[19:11] <amandarn> good ol' time ? :D
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ah, microwaved beer and homework... interesting combination
[19:12] <ukscone> didn't need to microwave the beer -- it was a good english pub so they knew how to store a pint
[19:17] <amandarn> Hey, I may come in England/Ireland next year...
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1111
[19:21] <amandarn> I guess netbsd will run perfectly on rpi :)
[19:22] <ShiftPlusOne> now I get all the Elite jokes.
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[19:32] <ReggieUK> and back
[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wb
[19:33] <ReggieUK> why would nokia make a composite video cable + audio (stereo) and squirt video out of the left channel?
[19:33] <ReggieUK> either that or it's wharfedale
[19:33] <ReggieUK> can't work out who to blame
[19:34] <ReggieUK> 4 pole 3.5mm jack to 3 RCA plugs
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> you can always modify the cable
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... 'words with friends' says mulage is not a real word >=/
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[19:49] <ReggieUK> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moulage
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't have the space for an extra letter. I had to play 'lunet'.... whatever that is.
[20:00] <ccxvi> would raspi be able to run SATA drives? with mods ofcourse
[20:02] <ReggieUK> vi usb, certainly, not sure about directly though
[20:02] <ReggieUK> via*
[20:04] <ReggieUK> r-pi forum appears to have died along with the main site
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> works fine here
[20:05] <ReggieUK> it was giving me a 500 error
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, sheevaplug looks pretty good and affordable
[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx#features
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[20:23] <ccxvi> shiva's worth more than $25
[20:23] <Thorn_> dreamplug was pretty nice but so expensive
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ccxvi, now any computer that costs more than $25 is 'meh'?
[20:53] <Julian> yep
[20:59] <ccxvi> would you still be able to achieve rapter speeds if connected to raspi?
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[21:01] <Thorn_> ccxvi: there's no sata interface on the rpi
[21:03] <ccxvi> i keep forgetting that. thanks. trying to work out how i can connect internal HD's to raspi.
[21:03] <ccxvi> i have some ideas but still thinking
[21:04] <xlq> OMAP3 boards have typically had big problems with non-free video drivers (closed-source drivers, and there was no guarantee you'd actually be able to obtain the drivers!) Will the rpi have such problems, or will the video drivers be FOSS?
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Everything that needs to be GPLed is GPLed. There's a binary blob which is the firmware running on the GPU, but there's a GPLed kernel module to communicate with it.
[21:05] <xlq> I see.
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> (or so is my understanding)
[21:05] <xlq> So should be fine, as long as the firmware is suitably licensed.
[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> in theory
[21:13] <ukscone> wow most ppl we've had in here :)
[21:22] <ccxvi> quake3 demo did it for me
[22:02] <mdavey> Anyone know what to do if the chutney you are making won't thicken?
[22:03] <xlq> Add pectin?
[22:04] <mdavey> Does that work for chutney too, or just jam?
[22:06] <xlq> No idea.
[22:13] <mdavey> Its a good idea. Will do more research.
[22:14] <ukscone> mdavey: just call it a sauce not a chutney
[22:14] <ukscone> problem solved
[22:14] <mdavey> :D
[22:15] <ukscone> i think the pectin thing is right though but there has to be enough sugar in it to work
[22:15] <xlq> Or is that just to extract the pectin from the fruit? Hrrm.
[22:15] <xlq> IANAC (chef) :)
[22:15] <ukscone> if i remember my jam and chutney making lessons from my mother 30 odd years ago
[22:16] <ukscone> ok buildroot built and configured and base rootfs built, now on to aboriginal
[22:17] <ukscone> anyone have a preference for which existing rootfs to use as a seed for scractbox2 for the r-pi?
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[22:22] <frafra> hi all
[22:22] <mdavey> hello fafra
[22:22] <frafra> hi mdavey
[22:23] <amandarn> ukscone: i didn't understand the question :)
[22:23] <amandarn> and hello all
[22:32] <frafra> uhm, anyone intrested in cluster computing?
[22:33] <Julian> probably
[22:33] <ukscone> amandarn: basically if you use scratchbox2 because it's really designed for making sdk's rather than distro's you should use an existing rootfs to seed it for allt eh libs and stuff (you can then rebuild most of them if you want but why bother) that way you can just buold your program rather thna having to worry about all the fiddily bits just by doing sb2 make or sb2 -e -R make
[22:33] <frafra> it would be nice to port kerrighed to arm and use it on raspberry :)
[22:34] <ukscone> amandarn: but what rootfs you use to seed with affects what you cna do i.e. debian seeds allow you to use apt in your emulated environment
[22:34] <ukscone> for missing libs and stuff
[22:43] <mdavey> ukscone: ubuntu might be a good choice initially. or gentoo.
[22:44] <xlq> Ubuntu? No.
[22:44] <xlq> Go for something simple, if you're going to play around with it.t
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[23:11] <amandarn> ukscone: I used to use debian embedded, archlinux, netbsd, angstrom but mostly some LFS based on busybox and in which I cross sompiled everything
[23:11] <amandarn> building some basic initrd is quite simple under openbsd too
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[23:46] <ReggieUK> just reading back through that lot, I'm not sure I'd want to ubuntu or anything too heavy on my r-pi when I get some
[23:47] <ReggieUK> just enough libs to do the job in some cases
[23:47] <ReggieUK> then again, with the price of these things it's likely i'd have a more feature rich unit too
[23:48] <ReggieUK> ukscone, when you compiled nightsky and ran it, did you compare what it showed you to something like stellarium?
[23:48] <ReggieUK> cos those constellations look a bit odd to me
[23:48] <ReggieUK> some are ok
[23:49] <ReggieUK> and just look odd because it's not really doing anything with the projection to how you'd really see them with your eyes

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