#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-06

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[3:24] <atts> !w forecast 02451
[3:24] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on 2011-09-06 00:56:00 +0000 temperature 75??F 24??C, condition Clear, Humidity: 76%.
[3:24] <PiBot> Tue: High 67??F Low 58??F :Condition Rain
[3:24] <PiBot> Wed: High 67??F Low 58??F :Condition Thunderstorm
[3:24] <PiBot> Thu: High 72??F Low 56??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[3:24] <PiBot> Mon: High 81??F Low 63??F :Condition Partly Sunny
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[3:26] <stasis> what international codes is pibot using?
[3:26] <stasis> *are , sorry for the typo
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> weather.com
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> doubt this will work...
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> !w forecast ASXX0075
[3:39] <PiBot> Not found.
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> !w forecast 28350885
[3:40] <PiBot> Not found.
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> !w forecast 1107203
[3:41] <PiBot> Not found.
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> just a few more million numbers to try
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> !w forecast Melbourne
[3:43] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne: in Melbourne, VIC on 2011-09-06 16:00:00 +0000 temperature 52??F 11??C, condition Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 71%.
[3:43] <PiBot> Wed: High 63??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[3:43] <PiBot> Thu: High 70??F Low 52??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[3:43] <PiBot> Fri: High 61??F Low 50??F :Condition Chance of Rain
[3:43] <PiBot> Tue: High 66??F Low 50??F :Condition Chance of Rain
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> woo!
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[4:13] <stasis> !woo
[4:42] <DaQatz> !oow
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[8:33] <jacoman> Hi
[8:33] <jacoman> jacoman,
[8:33] <jacoman> DataBot, Hi
[8:33] <jacoman> ctyler, Hi
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[9:22] <ahven> but me? :(
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[9:44] <ahven> PiBot: I hope you run atleast in a qemu arm enviroment or you are not worth your name :P
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[14:49] <ukscone> morning all
[14:51] <IT_Sean> morning ukscone
[14:52] <ukscone> working hard or hardly working?
[14:53] <ukscone> did you finish the desk?
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[14:59] <IT_Sean> working hard at the moment
[14:59] <IT_Sean> and the flat pack is all assembled, save for one bit.
[15:00] * IT_Sean is saving that one for the PFY, if he shows up today.
[15:03] <ukscone> ugh this coffee sucks -- out of half and half so had to use wife's flavoured creamer -- disgusting
[15:06] <IT_Sean> serves you right for drinking that vile fluid
[15:07] <ukscone> no serves me right for not leaving the house since thursday
[15:08] <ukscone> but the nearest shop with half and haf is 4 blocks away (uphill) that's miles away
[15:09] <IT_Sean> are you really that lazy?
[15:09] <IT_Sean> What time did you get up this morning?
[15:12] <ukscone> set the alarm for 8am
[15:13] <ukscone> had to get the kid up
[15:14] <ukscone> i am that lazy, well actually i'm not it's just i have mobility problems some days (others i can cycle 10 to 20 miles) and i have various health problems but i do have a bedtop rather than a laptop
[15:14] <IT_Sean> by the time your alarm went off, i had been up for two hours, and at work for 30 minutes
[15:14] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:15] <ukscone> until the end of october though during the week i have to get up at 6am and take the wife to work then come home and then go back for her at 4pm
[15:15] * IT_Sean sends ukscone a container of half and half via trebuchet
[15:15] <ukscone> left a bit. you just took out the cell tower down the road
[15:16] * IT_Sean tries again
[15:16] <ukscone> i'll have to have tea for the rest of the day until i go out to do laundry and some shopping
[15:16] <IT_Sean> poor you
[15:17] <ukscone> one of the problems with being a house husband -- people expect you to actually do housework and keep the house in order
[15:17] <IT_Sean> I can see how that would be annoying
[15:21] <ukscone> i don't mind the cooking part and actually doing the laundry isn't too bad as it gives me a chance to shout at annoying people but noone likes washing up or dusting
[15:43] <ahven> and my wife started her driving school today
[15:43] <ahven> hurray unsober events :P
[15:44] <Anppa> you'll become the designated drinker? :]
[15:44] <ahven> yep :)
[15:45] <ukscone> ahven: one tiny problem. she has to actually pass the test
[15:45] <ukscone> better start helping her with her revision and practices
[15:45] <ukscone> is your life insurance up to date?
[15:46] <ukscone> i had to change country to pass my driving test -- was too nervous a driver in the UK and had about 50 lessons but never felt ready to take the test. did it in 0 lessons and 1 week in california
[15:47] <ukscone> i even managed to almost run someone over in the dmv parkign lot but they said never mind and passed me anyway
[15:50] <ahven> well, I live on a island, 1 city: pop. 16k :)
[15:50] <ahven> but it can be pretty crowded, if you can say that, on rushhours
[15:50] <ukscone> well as long as you personally warn the whole population to keep off the roads it should be ok
[15:52] <ukscone> this what rush hour is like? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/3848221472_0b6094d789.jpg
[15:52] <ukscone> actually that's rush hour at ShiftPlusOne's
[15:53] <ahven> http://uuseesti.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/LiiklusKuressaare.jpg
[15:53] <ahven> town centre
[15:54] <ukscone> the steering wheel is on the wrong side
[15:58] <ahven> totally fine with me :P
[15:59] <ukscone> much harder to draw your sword if you are right handed though
[16:00] <IT_Sean> ukscone: the US driving test is one of the easier ones to pass.
[16:00] <IT_Sean> As long as you don't kill anyone, or cause massive porperty damage, they give you a license.
[16:02] <ahven> how much of the cars in the US have actually a manual stick?
[16:03] <ahven> drove my superiors mercedes the other day, totally not used to only 2 pedals :)
[16:04] <IT_Sean> It's, sadly, becoming less popular here
[16:04] <IT_Sean> And there is no seperate licinsing requirement for it, unlike some other places
[16:04] <ukscone> ahven: very few i took my test on a manual but i think that was the only car i saw with a stick in over a year
[16:04] * IT_Sean dd's a stick
[16:05] <ukscone> i had to specifically ask for stick shift when hiring a car
[16:05] <ahven> when we do the exam with the stick, we can drive both, but not the other way around
[16:05] <IT_Sean> I knew that.
[16:05] <IT_Sean> It's the same in south africa
[16:05] <ukscone> think it was that way in the uk too
[16:06] <IT_Sean> I learned & tested in an automatic. Daily drive a stick now, tohugh.
[16:06] <ukscone> the one loophole i used to like for driving licenses int he uk was that your provisional license had an expirary date well into the future -- mine had an expirary date of 2035
[16:07] <ukscone> so as long as you didn't want to carry more than one passenger you didn't actually need to take your test :)
[16:07] <IT_Sean> that's a nice loophole
[16:07] <ahven> our provisional expire after 2 years and the only limiting things is speed - max 90km/h
[16:07] <ahven> it used to be 60-70, can't remember, for some time :)
[16:07] <IT_Sean> where are you, ahven?
[16:08] <ahven> IT_Sean: Estonia
[16:08] <IT_Sean> ahh
[16:10] <IT_Sean> want a real bum-puckering driving adventure? Try driving the mountan roads in St. Lucia
[16:10] <IT_Sean> It'll shgorten your life
[16:10] <IT_Sean> *shorten
[16:11] <ahven> I can probably find something like that a lot closer :)
[16:11] <IT_Sean> sheer drop on one side, rock wall on the other, no barrier to stop you falling off the edge, and the road is only 1.5 cars wide.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> ... and they gave me a massive Hilux to do it in! :/
[16:12] <IT_Sean> it was.. .... ... scary.
[16:13] <ahven> I can imagine :)
[16:15] <IT_Sean> My first time driving something right hand drive, i didn't know my way around, and i couldn't actually see how close to the edge i was.
[16:15] <IT_Sean> oh, and it was a brand new truck, so, i was really afraid to dent it :p
[16:16] <IT_Sean> (literally... it had all of 6 kms on the clock when i picked uit up)
[16:16] <IT_Sean> *it
[16:16] <ukscone> i did one drive the roads in the hills around berkeley on the wrong side of the raod for about 10 miles because i forgot where i was -- kinda scarey when the car coming for you is going about 50 and is a police car
[16:16] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:17] <IT_Sean> that being said. St. Lucia is a beautiful island. Just don't drive onnit.
[16:17] <ukscone> just pottleing along minding my own business on the wrong side of the road -- oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:18] <ukscone> did the best emergency stop i have ever done before or since
[16:18] <ukscone> 35 to 0 in 0.000035ms
[16:20] <ahven> with a newer car it isn't a problem at all :)
[16:20] <ahven> just touch the brakes a little
[16:21] <ahven> my '91 Audi actually has the ability for a smooth brake :P
[16:21] <IT_Sean> my car isn't new, but it stops on a dime
[16:22] * IT_Sean has a cup o tea
[16:23] <ahven> I need to look at the brakes before winter arrives
[16:27] <IT_Sean> make sure they are still attached to the car, aye?
[16:27] <ahven> yep :P
[16:27] <ahven> but that issue is down in the list, probably in the last place
[16:29] <ReggieUK> ukscone, that rule about learner drivers means you have to have someone sit next to you who has had a full license for at least a year now
[16:30] <ukscone> yup i.e. a passenger
[16:30] <ReggieUK> ahh, I thought you meant any random passenger (which is how it sounded)
[16:31] <ReggieUK> wouldn't want you to get arrested over here if you ever come back
[16:32] <ukscone> well it was a random passenger -- don't give them cause to pull you over and you are ok also don't you still have a week to present your driving papers at a police station?
[16:33] <ukscone> how are they going to know that the person presenting the papers isn't the 6 foot 6 inch morally lax leggy blond who was in your passenger seat
[16:33] <IT_Sean> meeting
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[16:36] <ahven> :)
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[16:46] <ahven> woah, I'm using 0.4GB of datatraffic with my android
[16:46] <ahven> and I usually sit in wifi areas
[16:47] <ahven> but that isnt close of the limit
[16:51] <IT_MTNG> getting near your data limit?
[16:52] <ahven> nope, it was 2 or 3GB
[16:52] <IT_MTNG> oh
[17:15] <IT_MTNG> i am starving. Issit lunch time yet?
[17:16] <DaQatz> It's lunch time somewhere.
[17:16] <IT_MTNG> not here
[17:16] <IT_MTNG> still in a meeting
[17:16] <ctyler> pretty close to lunchtime here
[17:17] <IT_MTNG> 45 minutes to lunch here
[17:17] * ctyler hands over a 'get out of timezone free' card
[17:17] <IT_MTNG> ctyler: can i also have a get out of meeting free card?
[17:18] <ukscone> http://gawker.com/5837469/how-to-make-fried-bubblegum-the-latest-texas-treat
[17:18] <ctyler> IT_MTNG: sorry, all out of those
[17:18] <IT_MTNG> bugger.
[17:29] <ReggieUK> ukscone, I thought that frying stupid things was the preserve of scotland
[17:30] <ukscone> no frying things is scottish
[17:30] <ukscone> frying stpid things is america
[17:30] <DaQatz> We fry everything
[17:30] <DaQatz> Fried ice is messy
[17:35] <IT_MTNG> not quite as hard as fried air, however.
[17:37] <IT_MTNG> and now i want a donut. Dammit.
[17:38] <ukscone> i have one
[17:38] <ukscone> a french cruller and an apple crumb
[17:38] <IT_MTNG> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[17:38] <ukscone> so that's two actually
[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[17:40] <IT_MTNG> I need to run out over my lunch hour and get a bottle of asprin or something... I have an apocalyptical headache
[17:42] <DaQatz> IT_MTNG, it's caused by meetings. You need to cut back.
[17:42] <IT_MTNG> no... this one started the other day
[17:42] <IT_MTNG> too much sun, perhaps
[17:42] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, this is advance notice that as of Thursday Sep. 8th we will be upgrading ircd seven on the production network, the upgrades will be carried out in batches over the coming week. The servers first to be affected will be barjavel, kornbluth, adams and holmes. Apologies in advance for the noise and thank you for using freenode.
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[18:14] <traeak> too much sun does that to me
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[18:18] <atts> is there some trick to sending a DM in twitter without the other person following you?
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[18:20] <DaQatz> http://www.qdb.us/68894
[18:24] <traeak> is dis for real?
[18:25] <IT_Sean> i doubt it
[18:26] <DaQatz> Still really funny.
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[18:28] <traeak> it does brutallly point out that IT doesn't really do anything for "the business" but is pure overhead.
[18:29] <DaQatz> Try to manage without IT, and see how that works.
[18:30] <traeak> infrastructure, sure
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> "it does brutallly point out that IT doesn't really do anything for "the business" but is pure overhead" .........
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> business is pure overhead to IT! >=/
[18:31] <traeak> in too many cases IT is counter to the business. why do you think this "cloud craze" even exists? It's because companies are sick if their IT departments and they can bypass them by outsourcing to amazon, etc
[18:31] <DaQatz> IT is like having feet. Sure it doesn't directly put cash in your pocket. But you'll sure miss it if it's gone.
[18:31] <traeak> i've already had 3 customers tell us effectively just that
[18:33] * IT_Sean isn't sure how he feels being compared to "feet"
[18:33] <DaQatz> You telling me upper doesn't walk you?
[18:33] <DaQatz> on*
[18:33] <traeak> DaQatz: I mainly work with marketing, sales and production. The "IT department" at 2 compaines i've with for in the past got in the way of making progress
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> People who don't understand IT have strange expectations. They think they can pay the IT department in peanuts and treat them .... well as you said an overhead. Then they hire complete idiots who will work for those peanuts rather the professionals and then they complain and shift the blame to the IT department... typical management.
[18:35] <traeak> yes management is also stupid because they think IT is magic and don't know how to properly hold them accountable
[18:35] <traeak> and they don't know when their IT staff is embezzling funds even
[18:36] <DaQatz> Oi
[18:36] <DaQatz> That's another story all together
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> well I wouldn't know anything about that
[18:36] <traeak> okay rant off :-p
[18:37] <traeak> and yes having a good lean IT staff is important, as mentioned management is generally too stupid to recognize what it takes to have that
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I can agree with that
[18:37] * IT_Sean thinks his IT department is pretty lean
[18:37] * IT_Sean is the only IT guy in the company, nad handles both internal IT duties as well as customer facing support
[18:38] <DaQatz> Yeah that's lean
[18:38] <DaQatz> If you have a small enough business, and someone who knows what they are doing you can do that.
[18:38] <traeak> i've just worked for technology companies...developing IP generally. having a competent IT staff to work with helps a lot
[18:39] <IT_Sean> it's a small office, and I am good at what ido, but we have LOTS of customers.
[18:39] <traeak> yeah that can suck. customer support is very important
[18:39] <traeak> first line actually is
[18:39] <DaQatz> ANd being good IT doesn't mean you're good at customer support.
[18:40] <traeak> i know
[18:40] <DaQatz> In fact...
[18:40] <traeak> IT and customer support are not related
[18:40] <DaQatz> Normally...
[18:49] * IT_Sean is actually good at customer support, thankyouverymuch, as he has worked in customer service industries since high school
[19:01] <DaQatz> Yeah well normally != always
[19:01] <DaQatz> Met plenty of IT people who can do CS well.
[19:02] <traeak> hehe...typical IT guys are engineers who failed, got a CS degree and failed in CS (that's bigger companies)
[19:02] <traeak> hehe
[19:03] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:03] <traeak> part of my hatred for IT guys was that i also had a couple of guys try to "frame" me for bad stuff that happened
[19:03] <IT_Sean> so... because of that, you are saying all IT guys are failures?
[19:03] <traeak> because of boat rocking and stupid power struggles...again, bigger companies
[19:03] <traeak> no
[19:04] <traeak> i'm generalizing :-p
[19:04] <IT_Sean> Yes. You are.
[19:04] <traeak> it's always fun to do that :-p
[19:04] <IT_Sean> You should be careful about doing that.
[19:04] <traeak> there's good and bad
[19:04] <traeak> it's fun, it pisses people off ... saying extreme things in jest tends to make conversations interesting. I'm a master of delta functions
[19:04] <IT_Sean> By your logic, I's far for me to say that all people called traeak are apocalyptic wankers.
[19:04] <traeak> and i'm typically not serious about them
[19:05] <IT_Sean> *it's fair
[19:05] <IT_Sean> That too, would be a gross generalization
[19:05] <Thorn_> Jeez, lighten up
[19:05] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:06] <traeak> the best way to test a system is to give it extreme input and see how it responds
[19:06] <IT_Sean> I'm just making a point
[19:06] <traeak> maybe not the best way but it's a good test for robustness
[19:07] <IT_Sean> Just remember... pissing off your IT dept is a good way to get all your email rerouted to /dev/null
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, the word for that is 'trolling'
[19:08] <traeak> nowadays i restrain myself since i have some contact with customer IT departments
[19:09] <traeak> IT_Sean: yes, that has happened and i've seen people fired over that as well as they should have been
[19:09] <IT_Sean> :) Headache gone, yay!
[19:09] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:10] <IT_Sean> I only get fired if i reroute your company email to dev/null. As per corp IT policy, i'm free to reroute your personal email if you offend the IT department :p
[19:10] <traeak> it's true for anyone really. You have those people who like to do interesting things and learn new things, and people who like to control everything and do nothing :-p
[19:10] * IT_Sean is more the 'learn interesting stuff' sort
[19:11] <traeak> i guess back to rpi stuff right ? :-p
[19:11] <traeak> too bad there's not "power over HDMI" spec
[19:12] <IT_Sean> that would be badass
[19:20] * IT_Sean wonders how many LCDs would have an easily tap-able and within-spec supply of voltage that could be used to build an raspi into the monitor.
[19:20] * ReggieUK thinks quite a few
[19:20] <DaQatz> Hmm
[19:21] <IT_Sean> That would be brilliant for trade shows. Just have to plug in the LCD, and hey presto.
[19:21] * ReggieUK had a monitor that uses 12V 4amps
[19:21] <ReggieUK> muahahahaha
[19:21] <ReggieUK> I love that psu
[19:21] <IT_Sean> (i know, not the intention of the foundation, but, a fun idea anyway)
[19:22] <ReggieUK> I think the foundation will be very suprised at what the r-pi is made to do :D
[19:22] <DaQatz> yeah
[19:22] <ReggieUK> either that or they know full well what a bunch of geeks will do to anything once they get their hands on it
[19:23] <IT_Sean> heh
[19:23] * IT_Sean cannot wait to get his hands on a couple to tinker with
[19:23] <traeak> especially for this cheap...it's almost disposable
[19:23] <DaQatz> Install in a TV, stream video
[19:23] <ReggieUK> the great thing about the r-pi is that you don't need to buy 3 as a matter of course
[19:24] <ReggieUK> 1. to take apart, and then reflow all teh parts off to trace the board
[19:24] <ReggieUK> 2. to really mess with and dev with
[19:24] <ReggieUK> 3. for the final project
[19:26] <traeak> so how many will they sell ?
[19:26] <traeak> thousands, 10s of thousands, 100s, millions ?
[19:26] <IT_Sean> lots
[19:26] <ReggieUK> r-pi? Not sure, it's hard to quantify
[19:26] <traeak> 100s of thousands i mean
[19:27] <ReggieUK> 10s of thousands initially
[19:27] <ReggieUK> :D
[19:27] <Thorn_> 100
[19:27] <Thorn_> they'll be selling exclusive to me at first, so only 100.
[19:27] <DaQatz> Good luck with that
[19:27] <DaQatz> Wow 100 would only be like 2500
[19:28] <traeak> was looking yesterday at the top 500 supercomputer site
[19:28] <traeak> like ~460 or so of the clusters run linux...could be more, i didn't recognize a couple of the OS's mentioned
[19:29] <DaQatz> I am sooo tempt to build a pi cluster.
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> DaQatz, to do what?
[19:35] <DaQatz> For the sake of building it.
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but what will they do? cluster is a fairly broad term
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[19:36] <Thorn_> clusterate
[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[19:36] <DaQatz> Lol
[19:36] <DaQatz> Done correctly act like one big computer.
[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> DaQatz, is that possible?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> possible, yes. Actually useful, probably not.
[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean what software/technology is used to make multiple computers act as one?
[19:38] <DaQatz> ShiftPlusOne, there are ways to share processes across a network.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> distributed processing soffware
[19:38] <DaQatz> Would the cluster be useful? No clue.
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> All I am finding is software for very specific applications... not something that would actually act as one computer.
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean obviously there's distcc and such
[19:40] <DaQatz> There are linux kernel mods.
[19:40] <DaQatz> Mind you still have issues.
[19:40] <DaQatz> Or if I could do something completely custom.
[19:41] <ShiftPlusOne> The only useful way of doing it that I can think of is running an sql server on one, web server on another and distributing tasks that way. Otherwise it's still going to bottleneck at IO and be more expensive than a simple PC equivalent.
[19:42] <traeak> couple of interesting things...the fastest known cluster in the world uses sparc hardware with linux on it....
[19:42] <traeak> and secondly...all the "top" clusters I checked use "proprietary" interconnect technology
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what I would expect
[19:43] <traeak> i didn't go looking into what that means for interconnects
[19:43] <DaQatz> Yeah traeak how you connect the nodes is a MAJOR issue.
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> DaQatz, do you have experience in the area or just curious?
[19:44] <DaQatz> ShiftPlusOne, I've dabbled.
[19:44] <DaQatz> But not in years.
[19:45] <traeak> when gigabit first went mainstream it was a logical interconnect. but there's nothing to replace gigabit yet that doesn't cost more per node than the node machine itself
[19:46] <traeak> HA clusters themselves are pretty interesting
[19:47] <traeak> the rpi is likely more suited to this type of clustering than a computational cluster
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[19:48] <traeak> considering the rpi itself is almost throw away
[19:48] * IT_Sean votes for the "put it in a fancy case with some blinking LEDs on it, stick it on a shelf, and let it crunch SETA@Home all day" just to be silly
[19:48] <IT_Sean> *SETI@Home
[19:49] <DaQatz> I wonder how well 100 or so would work as a render farm.
[19:50] <traeak> how much throughput do the gpio pins have? or they're just for low data rates ?
[19:50] <Thorn_> seti got silly when they introduced the windows cuda clients
[19:50] <Thorn_> my avg credit went up by roughly ~4000%
[19:50] <Thorn_> across all machines...
[19:50] <Thorn_> and no, that's no exageration
[19:51] <Thorn_> the cuda linux seti client on the other hand, is utterly pants :)
[19:51] <traeak> huh? what does that mean ?
[19:51] <Thorn_> he said run seti@home just to be silly, i was just giving another reason as to why it's silly :P
[19:52] <traeak> "is utterly pants" never heard that ever before, i don't understand what it means
[19:52] <Thorn_> ah
[19:52] <Thorn_> completely crap
[19:53] * IT_Sean hasn't run SETI@Home in years, so... was not aware of it's semi-recent crappitude
[19:53] <Thorn_> 11 years here! :D
[19:54] <traeak> how are pants crappy (i wear shorts 3 seasons, btw)
[19:55] <IT_Sean> not pants, pants.
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> i think poms call underwear pants
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and pants trousers
[19:59] <traeak> ahh
[20:00] <ahven> <traeak> when gigabit first went mainstream it was a logical interconnect. but there's nothing to replace gigabit yet that doesn't cost more per node than the node machine itself << 10G?
[20:00] <traeak> more than $1000 per port for 10G
[20:00] <datagutt> mine bitcoins using rpi??? hm.. GPU is too sucky for that, or?
[20:01] <Thorn_> bitcoin's a no-winner anymore erally
[20:01] <datagutt> true
[20:01] <traeak> so no, 10G isn't "mainstream" yet
[20:01] <datagutt> price fell from 20$ to $8
[20:02] <Thorn_> yeah i tried to get into it but was too late
[20:02] <Thorn_> and nvidia cards were never good for it, so it seems
[20:02] <datagutt> Yeah, i have nvidia
[20:02] <datagutt> mined 0.2 btc
[20:02] <datagutt> gave up
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> datagutt, that's because you don't have the right setup. With the right equipment, it will all pay for itself in just under 500 years.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> 500 years is a bit of a long break even point, don't you think?
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> you're thinking too short term
[20:10] <Thorn_> yeah, better spend that 500 years contributing to FindElixierOfLife@home
[20:11] * IT_Sean cannot stop hiccupping
[20:25] <datagutt> Well
[20:25] <datagutt> this was a while ago, but i heard of people who made money on it
[20:26] <Thorn_> a lot of the early runners got pretty rich
[20:26] <datagutt> yeah
[20:26] <Thorn_> it was a winner if you jumped in at the right time
[20:26] <Thorn_> but i kept avoiding it unfortunately
[20:26] <Thorn_> "bitcoins?? another online scam..."
[20:28] <datagutt> make a fork!
[20:28] <datagutt> cash in
[20:28] <datagutt> its called ixcoin
[20:28] <datagutt> xD
[20:29] <datagutt> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.0
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[21:11] * IT_Sean find a 100pk, still sealed, of floppy disks whilst cleaning a cabinet that needed to be moved
[21:11] <IT_Sean> *found
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[21:13] <ahven> woah
[21:14] <atts> JACKPOT
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> should be collectible soon =D (not really)
[21:14] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:14] <ahven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLsjBDPe5c
[21:14] <IT_Sean> It just struck me odd
[21:15] <IT_Sean> It'd be a jackpot bac in my college days... the tech desk charged $1 / disk!
[21:15] <IT_Sean> *back
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, I'd love to seem them do that pulled up at a traffic light... who needs a radio anyway
[21:18] <ahven> well, anything could happen with that rusty Polo :D
[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> surprisingly well played... might as well check out their own work.
[21:22] <ahven> singing isn't top notch but it's all about performance with them
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> well I wasn't expecting Freddie's vocals, lol.
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't even know what to say about the Ace of Spades cover O_o
[21:28] <IT_Sean> is that what i heard on the radio this morning? God, it was awful!
[21:28] <IT_Sean> I had to turn it off, it was so bad.
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> no I doubt this is something that would be played on the radio O_o
[21:29] <ReggieUK> rusty polo? is that a euphamism?
[21:29] <IT_Sean> it was horrable
[21:29] <ReggieUK> like chocolate starfish?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> !!
[21:30] <Thorn_> chocolate starfish is a euphemism ?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> Either that, or he was referring to a badly corroded small volkswagen
[21:30] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: yes. It is.
[21:31] <ReggieUK> most definitely is a euphamism :)
[21:33] <ReggieUK> 'award winning' in finland only I'm guessing?
[21:33] <ahven> yep
[21:34] <ReggieUK> let me guess, winners of 'finlands got talent'?
[21:35] <IT_Sean> It has?
[21:35] <IT_Sean> I had no idea.
[21:35] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:36] <ReggieUK> having seen motorhead live I must say I'm really sad now listening to that ace of spades rendition
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ok.... thanks urban dictionary... =/
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I think this channel can only go downhill from here.
[21:39] <ahven> sorry :P
[21:39] <IT_Sean> haha
[21:42] <ReggieUK> ahhh, that's much better
[21:42] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iwC2QljLn4&feature=related
[21:42] <ReggieUK> back to reality
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[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> needs more sauna and nudity
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[22:08] <mdavey> evening all
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[22:11] <IT_Sean> evening
[22:23] * IT_Sean wishes he could use google to find stuff in his house
[22:24] <IT_Sean> i.e. type in "remote for the car stereo" and have it come back with "shelf in the den, under the box of batteries"
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> why does a car stereo need a remote? O_o
[22:27] <Thorn_> i hope it has a hands free remote
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Normally, i would agree, but, the stereo is sort of awkwardly placed in my car.
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[22:28] <IT_Sean> and i haven't been able to find the remote lately. I know i have a spare remote in the house somewhere. Can't find that one either.
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[23:07] <mdavey> IT_Sean: You should patent that idea! I'd pay for a service like that
[23:08] <mdavey> (gone)
[23:08] <Thorn_> Does your tab autocomplete exist in another timeframe or did you type the full name? ;p
[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> does the gcc preprocessor have a way of knowing if the program is being compiled on linux or windows? is there an ifdef I could use to detect the running OS?
[23:09] <Thorn_> afaik that's generally handled by the tools package on top
[23:09] <Thorn_> eg cmake, libtool/autotools
[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks
[23:10] * ReggieUK throws up at the mention of autotools
[23:10] <Thorn_> cmake, autotools, scons
[23:10] <Thorn_> they all equally suck :P
[23:10] <traeak> yes they most certainly do
[23:10] <traeak> we use "jam" but it's not (much) better
[23:11] <ReggieUK> they suck like a crackwhore trying to get a golfball through a hosepipe
[23:11] <Thorn_> can you put jam on scons? :P
[23:11] <traeak> heh
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[23:43] <mdavey> Thorn_:
[23:43] * mdavey has no words
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... SDL is pretty intuitive
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I keep jumping ahead of the tutorials then thinking I am probably doing things wrong, coming back to the tutorials and seeing exactly the same code.
[23:56] <ReggieUK> SDL is great if you have it setup correctly, like all the support libs in place
[23:56] <ReggieUK> otherwise it can be a bit of an ass
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> jusing using distro's default install methods, the code compiles on the few distros I've tried without any problems
[23:57] <ReggieUK> I've only used it on the leapfrog 'distro'
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not just a matter of copying the libs and includes over?

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