#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <ReggieUK> no
[0:01] <ReggieUK> it's a matter of poking the configure script with a bit of 2x2 studded with nails til it submits
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I had that problem with curses when trying to get nano compiled in aboriginal
[0:06] <ReggieUK> it's like that with everything on the leapfrog sources though
[0:07] <ReggieUK> everything they've given us mostly works (apart from proprietary stuff which is understandable)
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> they give you proprietary stuff which doesn't work? O_o
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[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> http://jordanmechner.com/wp-content/uploads/1989/10/popsource009.pdf pretty cool of him to upload something like that
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[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, are you around?
[3:54] <ukscone> more like asquare
[3:54] <ukscone> maybe arectangle
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[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, was just going to ask about the serial mod, but figured it out.
[4:04] <ukscone> ah
[4:04] <ukscone> ok
[4:04] <ukscone> got it done already?
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, I haven't got the wrapping wire or the 3221 chip yet. I was just making the 3.5mm->DE9 cable.
[4:06] <ukscone> ah
[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> got some nice 0.5mm solder wire though. I've been using 1mm up until now, the 0.5mm should make things a lot easier.
[4:08] <ukscone> using a nokia ca-42 cable is easier if you have a cable or access to one quicker than the chip
[4:08] <ukscone> i actually use the same modded cable on several devices
[4:08] <ukscone> i use it with my dockstar too for a start
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> what's special about that cable?
[4:09] <ukscone> it has the chip in it already
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> you did remind me that I've got a few usb->serial cables/adaptors which might be good for this
[4:11] <ukscone> well not sure if it actually has the chip in it already but it's 3.3v levels for the serial anyway
[4:12] <ukscone> here is a good link about it http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php/Use_a_Nokia_Serial_Cable_on_an_ARM9_Linkstation also it's on hack-a-day too and the cab;les can be found for <$3
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> well I've got the parts ordered, so might as well do it Geordy's way
[4:13] <ukscone> yes and it means you have a realserial levels
[4:13] <ukscone> which can be a nice thing
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> still need the damn mini-usb adaptors. I thought it used standard SD. =(
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> *mini-sd
[4:14] <ukscone> i'm send you one of my about 5 gazillion if you weren't in oz
[4:15] <ukscone> s/i'm/i'd
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[4:15] <ukscone> i made a nice mini-sd card to full size slot using a mini to micro sd adapter and an sd card breakout board
[4:16] <ukscone> comes in real handy as fullsize and micro sd cards are so much easier to find
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[4:18] <ukscone> right PITA to solder wires on the mini sd card adapter pins and putting it back together but works well and i saved $22 ok it took me 10 hours but i saved $22 :)
[4:20] <ShiftPlusOne> aren't the adaptors like $1?
[4:20] <ukscone> yup but not the ones that go mini to fullsize
[4:21] <ukscone> http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=1&cat=OTHERS
[4:21] <ukscone> that one is $22 in quanity
[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ah got it
[4:22] <ukscone> http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=2&cat=OTHERS that pone is $17 but they won't sell to end users
[4:22] <ukscone> at least they were the prices two years ago
[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, not seeing anything like that on ebay
[4:23] <ukscone> i am so glad that the r-pi will have a full size slot
[4:24] <ukscone> i hate micro as they are so fiddily and full size are cheaper
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, I accidentally ordered 402 capacitors, so when they arrived I though they sent an empty packet =/
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> took me a while to nice the microscopic caps on the strip
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> *notice
[4:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hopefully I'll be able to solder them straight onto the chip
[4:29] <ukscone> i'd still be looking for them. my eyes aren't what they used to be
[4:29] <ukscone> it's one of the reasons i have a tame solder slave for the really fiddily stuff -- i handle his s/w needs and he handles the hardware
[4:30] <ukscone> unless it's normal size stuff on perf board or breadboard
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> You could use a loupe or something, but if you've got a solder slave, then you probably wouldn't want it.
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> *want to
[4:31] <ukscone> i have a helping hands with a magnifying glass on it plus my glasses plus another lens i use in between and i still can hardly see the stuff
[4:32] <ukscone> i have to up the font on the zipit to about 16 or 19
[4:32] <ukscone> the 8x8 font is readable just but any of the smaller ones not a hope in hell
[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, well I've got that to look forward to as well then.
[4:34] <ukscone> yup
[4:34] <ukscone> if you can find one of the old gameboy mahnifiers they fit ont he zipit quite nicely
[4:35] <ukscone> magnifiers even
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not quite at that stage yet
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess the bright side is that everything looks the same as HD though.
[4:43] <ukscone> almost just 10 days until i can actually touch a raspi
[4:43] <ukscone> :)
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> if they let you anywhere near it
[4:43] <ukscone> yes they might put armed guards around it
[4:43] <ukscone> to keep the riff raff away
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ...if they know your intentions
[4:44] <ukscone> or one riff raff anyway
[4:44] <ukscone> i have nothing but pure intentions
[4:44] <ukscone> pure evil
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[4:45] <ukscone> i'm actually giving liz and eben a zipit so i think a raspi would be a fair exchange :)
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> all nice and pre-hacked?
[4:50] <ukscone> well i won't give them one with the serial mod predone -- got to let them have some fun but i'll put one of my customized iz2s/ez2s builds on it -- proably the twitter graphic app and rockbox and whatever else i can think of over the next week
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[4:53] <ukscone> i do need to fix my startty type server for it though. when i switches hosts some of the paths broke
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> how's the battery life on these things anyway?
[4:56] <ukscone> depends
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> full load
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> half a day or so?
[4:57] <ukscone> upto 6 hours in stock, upto 14hours if you use my tweaks, u-booted then 6ish
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> why does uboot affect the battery life?
[4:58] <ukscone> need to fix it and make soem updates and patches but if you change the driver name and run an app on the zipit you get screens liek this
[4:58] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/DPF-Z2/Z2DPF.php?driver=browser
[4:58] <ukscone> because it doesn't have my tweaks in it and they can't be ported
[4:58] <ukscone> but you can stretch the life by changing bright ness
[4:58] <ukscone> of the keyboard and lcd
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> so what's the point of uboot if you can run pretty much everything off the SD anyway?
[4:59] <ukscone> because it's an old kernel
[4:59] <ukscone> that can't be taken past 2.6.29 on the original bootloader
[4:59] <ukscone> if you go u-boot you can use mainline kernel
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm, think I'll do without uboot
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> (until the need arises)
[5:00] <ukscone> if you don't need usb host or a modern kernel then staying stck is ok
[5:01] <ukscone> although building new s/w for it is a bit of a pig as you are also stuck with a really old (2007) uclibc
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... uboot it is then!
[5:02] <ukscone> 6 hours give or take is still pretty good and one giy i know uses an ipod external battery and gets 24 hours
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I've got a 5Ah external battery which could be used, but I don't have an adaptor would fit the zipit though =(
[5:07] <ukscone> do what we did -- slice the tip off a wallwart and put a usb plug on the other end
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> is the 500mA enough to charge it though?
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> it's own plug is up to 1.2A
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> but I guess it doesn't actually use anywhere near the 1.2A to charge+run?
[5:09] <ukscone> well it won't charge it but it will run it
[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... maybe use one of those split usb cables which use 2 plugs?
[5:11] <ukscone> we built our own stand for the zipit that slots into the battery slot and then put an external battery pack in it through to the a/c jack
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[5:11] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/2010/11/22/usb-charging-cable-for-the-zipitz2/
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> neatly made
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, the external battery has a 1A slot as well, so that cable should do.
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[5:15] <ukscone> mmpls need to feed the cats
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[6:55] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: still about?
[6:55] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[7:00] <ukscone> ok just posted to my blog on setting up sb2
[7:00] <ukscone> for the rpi
[7:01] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/07/setting-up-scratchbox2-from-scratch-for-the-raspberry-pi/ only posted the "simple" instructions rather than the using a seed rootfs but it works
[7:01] <ukscone> and the using a seed rootfs is documented in my other sb2 post anyway
[7:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[7:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll give it a go later
[7:04] <ShiftPlusOne> half asleep right now, just wanted to get a good scrollable, tiled map for the game done before heading off
[7:04] <ShiftPlusOne> and that's done, so 'night
[7:05] <ukscone> night
[7:06] <ukscone> i'm off too
[7:22] <ahven> morning it is
[7:22] <ahven> ;)
[9:28] <ahven> whee, getting a cheap usb enclosure with a sata drive
[9:29] <ahven> NAS would be nice but it is a start
[9:39] <ahven> I'm dumb - I can't seem to find the "change avatar" link on raspi forums :(
[9:40] <DaQatz> That's because there isn't one.
[9:44] <ahven> ah, Gravatar
[9:51] <ahven> whee
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[10:23] <ahven> hehe, I wondered when the flames would start bursting in the forums :P
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[11:14] <ahven> http://i15.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/3d/e5/52a5_1_b.JPG
[11:15] <ahven> in the right colour too :P
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[16:03] <ukscone> morning all
[16:03] <IT_Sean> morning
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[16:13] <ukscone> ahven: there was a tiny typo in the blog post -- i've fixed it though
[16:16] <ahven> ok
[16:16] <ahven> will probably install it in a few hours, when I get home
[16:17] <ukscone> my brain said git my fingers said http
[16:27] <IT_Sean> urft...
[16:28] * IT_Sean wishes people would get back to him on scheduling so he could book a hotel room & hire car for next week
[16:31] <ukscone> ok now i have to follow ShiftPlusOne's tutorials and setup qemu and a rootfs so that i can play with the binaries i build. ok i could just build them inside a qemu rootfs too but where is the fun in that?
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[16:34] <atts> link to the tutorials?
[16:45] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne's tutorials http://raspi.springnote.com/
[16:48] <atts> thanks
[16:57] <ukscone> if you change the qemu build instructions on my blog post to build the arm system stuff as well you can reuse the same qemu but you'd need to futz with paths
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[17:15] <_thorn_> 'futz' ?
[17:15] <_thorn_> There's a new one :p
[17:17] <ukscone> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/futzing
[17:59] <ahven> and starting the build
[18:00] <ahven> will have to move the buildbox out of the way or the kid will have its way with it :)
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[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> with the tutorials, don't forget to enable the /dev options under device drivers->general options as well. I haven't put that in yet.
[18:21] <ahven> I just love the autocomplete on bash when completing paths on remote systems :)
[18:24] <atts> i always forget that feature exists, and am always pleasantly surprised when it works after habitually hitting TAB
[18:25] <traeak> you mean ssh ? or you mean nfs mounts?
[18:25] <ahven> scp, practically ssh
[18:26] <traeak> hmm....i never noticed...
[18:26] <ukscone> rodents -- git'ing qemu is fubar atm
[18:26] <ahven> have keyless login
[18:27] <ahven> maybe that is the case atm too
[18:27] <traeak> cool it does
[18:27] <ahven> passwordless*
[18:27] <traeak> ssh-agent running it does
[18:27] <traeak> i must have never noticed before
[18:27] <ahven> ukscone: noticed, copied the pretty latest copy from my main machine :)
[18:27] <traeak> is vim able to handle sshfs ?
[18:28] <ukscone> pulling is finee, cloning is screwed
[18:28] <ukscone> anyone know where the cats have hidden my micro sdcard?
[18:28] <traeak> you mean the walking dog food?
[18:31] <traeak> okayneed extension for vim to work with file specified via ssh
[18:31] <ukscone> ugh this is getting annoying. got 1 successful git clone of qemu out of 3 today
[18:32] <ukscone> think i'll go to the grocery instead of sitting here watching it fail
[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, there's a link to a copy of qemu's github branh
[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> though you've probably already got it, right?
[18:38] <ukscone> yup somewhere or other
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got a link to thorn's mirror on the springnote page if you need it.
[18:55] <ahven> ukscone: typo #2
[18:55] <ahven> cp -a ~/RaspberryPi/arm-2011.03/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/{lib, etc.usr} .
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[19:06] <ukscone> anyway i need to get something to cook for dinenr tonioh frick
[19:06] <ukscone> . instead of .
[19:06] <ukscone> instead of ,
[19:06] <ukscone> bloody cats
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[19:06] <ukscone> ok thnx i'll fix it in a sec
[19:08] <ukscone> fixed
[19:09] <ahven> one more thing, when I use it with spaces, this happens:
[19:09] <ahven> $ cp -a ~/RaspberryPi/arm-2011.03/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/{lib, etc, usr} .
[19:09] <ahven> cp: cannot stat `/home/henrik/RaspberryPi/arm-2011.03/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/{lib,': No such file or directory
[19:09] <ahven> cp: cannot stat `etc,': No such file or directory
[19:09] <ahven> cp: cannot stat `usr}': No such file or directory
[19:10] <ahven> it works like it should w/o them
[19:10] <ukscone> let me just check the path
[19:11] <ukscone> 325 cp -a $HOME/arm-2011.03/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/{lib,etc,usr} .
[19:11] <ukscone> hmmmmm should be ok
[19:12] <ahven> but you have spaces in the blog
[19:12] <ukscone> cp -a $HOME/RaspberryPi/arm-2011.03/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/{lib,etc,usr} .
[19:13] <ukscone> oh fricking flucking bloody stupid fricking
[19:13] <ukscone> oh die you damn computer
[19:13] <ukscone> yup it's the spaces
[19:13] <ukscone> that's what you get when you cut and paste from a prittied text file
[19:14] <ukscone> ok fixed
[19:16] <ukscone> you can do some stuff differently too like put the full path to the toolchain in the sb2-init command but using paths is quicker
[19:16] <ukscone> path envvar i mean is quicker
[19:17] <ukscone> bbiab need to start the meat loaf for dinner
[19:46] <ukscone> ok back
[19:47] <DaQatz> Wb
[19:47] <DaQatz> Making stew today myself.
[19:47] <DaQatz> Finished putting that on just before you left to make your meatloaf.
[19:55] <ukscone> i think i'll do a stew of some sort tomorrow
[19:55] <ukscone> i just have a taste for meatloaf and horseradish sauce sandwichs that i can't quite seem to shake
[19:56] <DaQatz> Hmm
[19:56] <DaQatz> Does sound good
[19:56] <DaQatz> Throw on some onions =)
[19:57] <ukscone> oooo fried onions does sound good
[20:01] <DaQatz> There's just something about onions and horseradish sauce in a sandwich.
[20:01] <ukscone> ok just ran through the instructions for setting up scratchbox2 again. looks like i squished all the typo's
[20:01] <DaQatz> Nice
[20:02] <ukscone> DaQatz: a good sandwich is fried bacon, chedder cheese, chip (british french fries) and horseradish sauce
[20:02] <DaQatz> Hmm
[20:03] <ukscone> i did have to lock the cats in the other room so they wouldn't try to help as i was fising the typos
[20:03] <DaQatz> That may be to much for me.
[20:03] <DaQatz> Would over power the meatloaf to much imo
[20:03] <ukscone> DaQatz: if you can get heinz salad cream (it has to be heinz) and branston pickle and do the sandwich like this it's really good
[20:04] <ukscone> bread, layer of salad cream, bread, layer of pickle, bread, layer of salad cream, bread
[20:04] <DaQatz> You can open your mouth how wide?
[20:04] <ukscone> there is just something about how the salad cream and pickle react together that makes it more than the sum of it's parts
[20:04] <ukscone> DaQatz: you squash it down
[20:05] <ukscone> i need to get a new toasted sandwich maker -- i love toasted sandwiches too -- canned spagetti in a toasted sandwich is good
[20:05] <ukscone> damn i am so hungry now
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[20:15] <DaQatz> !w forecast 03901
[20:15] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on 2011-09-07 17:42:00 +0000 temperature 57??F 14??C, condition Overcast, Humidity: 100%.
[20:15] <PiBot> Thu: High 72??F Low 56??F :Condition Thunderstorm
[20:15] <PiBot> Fri: High 76??F Low 52??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[20:15] <PiBot> Sat: High 74??F Low 54??F :Condition Clear
[20:15] <PiBot> Wed: High 63??F Low 56??F :Condition Showers
[20:15] <ukscone> !w 11220
[20:15] <PiBot> ukscone: in Brooklyn, NY on 2011-09-07 16:51:00 +0000 temperature 68??F 20??C, condition Light rain, Humidity: 93%.
[20:15] <ukscone> in other words it's pissing down
[20:16] <DaQatz> Raining here too.
[20:16] <DaQatz> Though PiBot doesn't seem to know it.
[20:16] <ReggieUK> not raining here but I am glad it's still windy
[20:16] <ReggieUK> the sooner the leaves are off the trees, the sooner I might actually get a digital signal on my TV that is stable
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[20:27] <atts> !w forecast 02451
[20:27] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on 2011-09-07 17:23:00 +0000 temperature 63??F 17??C, condition Light rain, Humidity: 94%.
[20:27] <PiBot> Thu: High 67??F Low 58??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[20:27] <PiBot> Fri: High 77??F Low 58??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[20:27] <PiBot> Sat: High 74??F Low 56??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[20:27] <PiBot> Wed: High 63??F Low 58??F :Condition Showers
[20:27] <atts> thanks pibot
[20:28] <atts> !countdown rpi-release
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> what else can it do?
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> !help
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> !murder atts
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> .... useless
[20:31] <DaQatz> I didn't add to many "fun" plugins.
[20:32] <atts> a murder plugin would be handy
[20:32] <DaQatz> atts, I can add that when we have a firm release date.
[20:32] <DaQatz> The !countdown
[20:32] <DaQatz> That is
[20:32] <atts> ooh
[20:32] <atts> awesome
[20:33] <DaQatz> Murder would take 5 or 6 minutes to add.
[20:33] <ukscone> i suggest the two best methods, well three best are push down the stairs, arsenic and potassium bromide and the good old shell fish buried in an asperdistra pot for 24 hours
[20:33] <DaQatz> Not very functional.
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[20:50] <ReggieUK> http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/daves-universe/archive/2011/08/26/hot-news-supernova-in-m101-could-be-visible-in-binoculars.aspx
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[20:52] <ReggieUK> that's pretty amazing
[20:52] <ReggieUK> given that you can't actually see m101 as such with bins
[20:53] <ReggieUK> so the energy release from that thing is astonishing
[20:54] <ukscone> *warning* *warning* *warning* iq levels dropping dangerously low -- reading http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/07/1353258/Ask-Director-Eben-Upton-About-the-Raspberry-Pi-Foundation
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[20:57] <ukscone> just to number of commeents about can the general public buy one -- look at the website and forum before commenting dumbasses :)
[20:57] <ukscone> now get off my lawn
[20:59] <atts> has eben responded to any of these?
[20:59] <ukscone> not yet i think they ask the questions about a week before they'll interview him and post his answers
[21:00] <atts> oh ok
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> "After it gets off the ground, have you given thought to incorporating other common peripherals into the design such as Blu-Ray, surround sound or Windows 7?"
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> "I am fascinated by the idea of Windows 7 as a peripheral, perhaps you could explain your idea in further detail?"
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[21:00] <atts> aahaha
[21:01] <ReggieUK> or why an educational device with 700Mhz cpu needs a blu-ray player
[21:01] <ReggieUK> sounds like a fish on a bike to me
[21:01] <ahven> ReggieUK: they aren't seeing the word "educational" :)
[21:01] <atts> i'm always amazed at the posts about how rpi will be used as some sort of malware to destroy civilization as we know it
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> atts, isn't that the whole point?
[21:03] <atts> well yeah, but it's like they didn't even read the FAQ or anything
[21:03] <ahven> ukscone: are you sure I don't need anything else in my path than $HOME/RaspberryPi/sb2?
[21:03] <ahven> for example sb2-init really is inside $HOME/RaspberryPi/sb2/bin
[21:04] <ukscone> oh bugger yes you are right
[21:04] <ukscone> teach me to do 4 things at once
[21:04] <ahven> :)
[21:04] <ukscone> i was editing one path and did the other too
[21:05] <ukscone> it worked for me as i already have the path set
[21:05] <ahven> I wanted to ask you a while ago but I wanted to be extra sure, I have made a fool myself plenty of times :P
[21:06] <ukscone> nah i was typing it up originally from memory and late at night
[21:06] <ukscone> the memory being my .history but i was using a new directory
[21:07] <ukscone> ok outta here back around 7 eastern
[21:08] <atts> later
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[21:25] <ahven> ukscone: sorry, but found another typo :) "sb2-init Raspi $HOME/RaspberryPi/arm-2011.03/bin/arm-none-linux-gneabi-gcc" gneabi->gnueabi
[21:25] <ahven> took a while to found that missing letter
[21:30] <ahven> it seems to be ok now, everything works
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[22:15] <ahven> anyways, good night
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> "The obvious competitors to this device, the Arduino and the Beagle Board are both open. Refusing to open the hardware for this device would just be shooting yourself in the foot." jesus... for $25 who cares =/
[22:28] <ctyler> plus, BCM2835's aren't available at every corner store, and few people are comfortable assembling SMT POPs
[22:29] <ctyler> and the schematic is basically "these connectors are wired to the SOC"
[22:29] <mdavey> And how is Arduino and Beagle Board more open?
[22:30] <ctyler> I think you can d/l the CAD files for the BB (does anyone do anything with that?)
[22:30] <mdavey> R.Pi staff haven't made a decision on publishing the schematics and gerbers.
[22:31] <ctyler> almost all the magic is really on the SOC
[22:31] <mdavey> yes
[22:32] <mdavey> but until R.Pi make a decision either way, I don't understand how anyone can determine whether something else is more open or not.
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[22:32] <mdavey> wb IT_Sean
[22:32] <IT_Sean> thx
[22:32] <IT_Sean> I just booked the hire car for my company road trip next week. It is... disapointing.
[22:32] * mdavey is in Amsterdam next week
[22:33] * IT_Sean looks at the booking confirmation
[22:33] <IT_Sean> "Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, or similar" does not bode well :/
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[22:34] <DaQatz> It'll be a ford pinto
[22:34] <IT_Sean> With my luck.
[22:35] * IT_Sean is used to an M5 for crapsake
[22:37] <IT_Sean> I don't know why they bother calling it an "Intermediate" vehicle, when "appalling ****box" is more on the nose :p
[22:39] <mdavey> :D
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[22:47] <ReggieUK> M5 isn't that a hairdressers car?
[22:47] * ReggieUK ducks
[22:47] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: not a new one
[22:47] <IT_Sean> an e28. From 1986.
[22:48] <IT_Sean> A proper M5.
[22:48] <ReggieUK> ahhh
[22:49] <IT_Sean> http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9687/forelornroad.jpg
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[22:53] <IT_Sean> I've got better photos on my home machine.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> That's it for now, though, as i am still at work.
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