#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-09

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, is it feasible to create a whole rootfs, including lxde through scratchbox2 or is it designed for single apps mostly?
[0:00] <ahven> single imho
[0:01] <ukscone> sb2 is for building sdk's really
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got a basic rootfs with bash and coreutils and wondering if there's any point trying to take it further
[0:01] <ukscone> so it could be used to buold a rootfs but it'd be a bit of a pain. best to use an existing rootfs to seed and then build on from there
[0:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, I guess I have no need for sb2
[0:03] <ukscone> probably not
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yet anyway
[0:04] <traeak> btw, theoretically how much bandwidth could be available to a breakout board ?
[0:05] <Thorn_> that depends whether your theory involves breaking the laws of physics
[0:07] <ukscone> of course
[0:07] <ukscone> have to break the laws of physics at least once a week
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> so what does sb2 do exactly? is there any kind of chroot jail involved to prevent the host system's files from being messed up?
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[0:10] <ukscone> it uses fakeroot, realpath , LD_PRELOAD and a ton of lua scripts to faff around with paths and stuff to creat a jail and use qemu -- kernel needs binfmt enabled too
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ok thanks
[0:12] <ukscone> w00t! bill bailey is doing a show in NYC have to see when and how much tockets are
[0:12] <ukscone> dandelion mind, i;ve seen it on dvd but he's great live
[0:14] <ukscone> http://skirballcenter.nyu.edu/calendar/billbailey
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> lol.... watching a few clips on youtube... brilliant
[0:24] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes sb2 is basically a different way to do the same thing as qemu+kernel+rootfs -- just a different way to do it and also to get your code out to the masses as you can symbolic link your build directory to /var/www and people can just grab it :)
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I think I've found the best way to get software compiled without having to do it manually
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Come on here and whinge until someone does it.
[0:32] <ukscone> hehehehehehhehe
[0:34] <ukscone> i wonder if that will work if we whinge about not having an alphaboard in our hands
[0:34] <ukscone> if we whine enough mayne they'll let us have one just to shut us up -- not!
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> we'd probably get ourselves banned... somehow.
[0:35] <Thorn_> you never know until you try
[0:36] <Thorn_> and having a community alphaboard would be... healthy for the community.
[0:36] <Thorn_> just one
[0:36] <Thorn_> (obviously, i get to own and control it)
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> obviously
[0:36] <ukscone> we did ask liz if an alphaboard could be hooked up to the internet but she said not possible as they don't have enough
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[0:36] <ukscone> all are out or fried by static
[0:37] <Thorn_> fried by static?
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> why so susceptibile to static?
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> +correct spelling
[0:37] <ukscone> that is why i will have large pockets a week on saturday and taking the kid as a distraction
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[0:38] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not sure but maybe liz's and eben's cat is a static producer and they have lots of carpets
[0:38] <Thorn_> or maybe a static reproducer
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[0:39] * Thorn_ just noticed there are two of him
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[0:40] <ukscone> Thorn_: bad case of split personality there
[0:41] <ukscone> dr thorn and my hyde
[0:41] <ukscone> s/my/mr
[0:41] <ukscone> stoopid keyboard
[0:41] <ukscone> who has been reqiring my keyboard
[0:41] <ukscone> aarrgghh s/requiring/rewiring
[0:41] <ukscone> and i am not joking
[0:42] <ukscone> i think the kid did something too it -- it looks like someone opened it
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[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> dangit! looks like they fixed the 'issue' where new users couldn't post
[0:55] <ukscone> b******
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[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> noob question here... how do you tell configure where to look for includes and libs?
[3:04] <Thorn_> cool
[3:05] <Thorn_> 2nd day with my new android phone
[3:05] <Thorn_> that's it just fried...
[3:05] <Thorn_> a little googling says its a common problem...
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> which phone?
[3:05] <Thorn_> orange san francisco/ZTE blade
[3:05] <Thorn_> well the phone still works
[3:05] <Thorn_> but the 3g and wifi just dies
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> you sure it's not just an issue with a connector?
[3:06] <Thorn_> ...
[3:06] <Thorn_> quite
[3:06] <Thorn_> crappy atheros chips
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> well then... don't buy Chinese phones.
[3:07] <Thorn_> my old router had an atheros wifi chip
[3:07] <Thorn_> it zapped too
[3:07] <Thorn_> all phones are chinese!
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> actually no
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> HTC are Taiwanese
[3:08] <Thorn_> that's just a 4th-world version of china
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> opposite of that
[3:08] <Thorn_> nope
[3:08] <Thorn_> rice farmers vs sweat shops
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> mainland China is a 4th world commie-run version of Taiwan
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Taiwan is doing very well technologically
[3:09] <Thorn_> yeah
[3:09] <Thorn_> i heard they got barns for the farms now
[3:09] <Thorn_> :D
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle
[3:12] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne:Fine tuning of the installation directories:
[3:12] <ukscone> --bindir=DIR user executables [EPREFIX/bin]
[3:12] <ukscone> --sbindir=DIR system admin executables [EPREFIX/sbin]
[3:12] <ukscone> --libexecdir=DIR program executables [EPREFIX/libexec]
[3:12] <ukscone> --sysconfdir=DIR read-only single-machine data [PREFIX/etc]
[3:12] <ukscone> --sharedstatedir=DIR modifiable architecture-independent data [PREFIX/com]
[3:12] <ukscone> --localstatedir=DIR modifiable single-machine data [PREFIX/var]
[3:12] <ukscone> --libdir=DIR object code libraries [EPREFIX/lib]
[3:12] <ukscone> --includedir=DIR C header files [PREFIX/include]
[3:12] <ukscone> --oldincludedir=DIR C header files for non-gcc [/usr/include]
[3:12] <ukscone> --datarootdir=DIR read-only arch.-independent data root [PREFIX/share]
[3:12] <ukscone> --datadir=DIR read-only architecture-independent data [DATAROOTDIR]
[3:12] <ukscone> --infodir=DIR info documentation [DATAROOTDIR/info]
[3:12] <ukscone> --localedir=DIR locale-dependent data [DATAROOTDIR/locale]
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, that's for installation though.... am I missing something?
[3:13] <ukscone> or you can use CFLAGS and LIBS
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> for example it says curses.h is not found (which is actually in /usr/lib/ncurses/curses.h). how do I tell it to check there?
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I messed up the directory, obviously it's not in /usr/lib, but it's around somewhere
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h ... there
[3:14] <ukscone> if the configure is setup correctly then there should be an option to set the ncurses dirs
[3:15] <ukscone> i don't have a configure for a ncurse app atm but something like --include-dir= or ncurses-dir= will be in configure
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, --include-dir it is, thanks
[3:17] <ukscone> the other way to do it is to usr --prefix=/usr/local when you build the ncurses lib then normally configure will find it
[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> grr still not finding it
[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> IIRC last time used env variables... time to give that a go again
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> that fixed it =D
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[3:44] <ukscone> ugh they are breaking into the nights tv to say a credible threat against nyc and washington dc
[3:44] <ukscone> we know there now get back to my tv
[3:47] <ShiftPlusOne> did what you just say make any sense or are you missing a few words here and there?
[3:48] <ukscone> yes missing an are
[3:48] <ukscone> and maybe some punctuation
[3:48] <ukscone> the odd full stop owuldn't have gone a miss
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[5:23] <stasis> !w forecast singapore
[5:23] <PiBot> stasis: in singapore on 2011-09-09 02:30:00 +0000 temperature 84??F 29??C, condition Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 84%.
[5:23] <PiBot> Sat: High 86??F Low 79??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[5:23] <PiBot> Sun: High 86??F Low 79??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[5:23] <PiBot> Mon: High 88??F Low 77??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[5:23] <PiBot> Fri: High 88??F Low 81??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[5:23] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: just saw your reply to how do i buy a raspberry pi in china -- i was going to say just go to the factory and pick one fresh off the assembly line
[5:24] <ukscone> !w nepal
[5:24] <PiBot> ukscone: in nepal on 1970-01-01 00:00:00 +0000 temperature ??F ??C, condition , Humidity: 0%.
[5:26] <ukscone> :)
[5:26] <ukscone> i think there might be a teeny buglet in the weather plugin
[5:26] <ukscone> !w mars
[5:26] <PiBot> Not found.
[5:26] <ukscone> !w mount everest
[5:26] <PiBot> Not found.
[5:26] <ukscone> !w tibet
[5:26] <PiBot> ukscone: in tibet on 2011-09-09 14:00:00 +0000 temperature 50??F 10??C, condition , Humidity: 53%.
[5:26] <ukscone> !w outer mongolia
[5:26] <PiBot> Not found.
[5:27] <stasis> Can the raspi handle the IO of being a seedbox?
[5:29] <ukscone> well the ethernet is via usb so that might be a limiter on some networks but the ram and cpu should be ok
[5:29] <stasis> 2i mean the model B though
[5:29] <stasis> or however you call the B model
[5:29] <ukscone> yes so did i
[5:29] <stasis> :P no worries
[5:29] <ukscone> the ethernet is still via usb
[5:30] <ukscone> the new chip in the b takes the single usb on the a and gives 3 back but one is used by the ethernet
[5:30] <stasis> really, did not know that, but thanks. What about the HDD also being on USB? anyway that would be affected?
[5:30] <ukscone> it wouldn't be the greatest seedbox but on a home network it should be ok
[5:31] <ukscone> probably ok on everything but fios and above
[5:31] <stasis> 100mbps where i am and I'd love to chuck this in a corner and seed all the linux distros i can
[5:31] <ukscone> and probably ok on fios too
[5:32] <ukscone> it wouldn't be the greatest or fastest but it shoudl do it and it'd be cheap on the electricity bill
[5:33] <stasis> excellent *chanelling Mr Smithers*
[5:33] <stasis> so, ukscone, what are you using the raspi for?
[5:33] <ukscone> and as it'd be on 24/7 you'd build up your ratio for all those non-linux distro torrents
[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, lol, that's another idea that crossed my mind as well.
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> stasis, *Mr Burns?
[5:34] <stasis> what.cd, watch out!
[5:34] <ukscone> statis i have several uses most of them involve emulating old micros but i have a few ideas for using them in trade shows and for old school programming
[5:34] <stasis> fuck
[5:34] <stasis> sorry, am really drunk right now, and should not be logged into root
[5:34] <ukscone> heh
[5:35] <stasis> rm -r /
[5:38] <ukscone> Linux russian roulette sudo [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo ???You live???
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[5:38] <stasis> soooo..... tempted.....
[5:38] <ukscone> that was something someone tweeted today
[5:38] <ukscone> nearly peed myself laughing
[5:39] <stasis> oh, you guys....
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess that's what qemu is for
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> (:1) /home # [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "You live"
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ash: 24874: unknown operand
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> You live
[5:41] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: you might like some of these youtube clips
[5:41] <ukscone> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mock+the+week+10&aq=0
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> is that something like who's line is it anyway?
[5:42] <ukscone> yes and no
[5:42] <ukscone> it's all news based
[5:42] <ukscone> it's a bit like "have i got news for you" which you probably haven't seen either
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, thanks, I'll check it out
[5:46] <stasis> any other uses for you guys?
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> people here provide a service of some kind? O_o
[6:00] <stasis> SP1:lolwut?
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> "any other uses for you guys?"
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> reads like "so... what else can you guys do?"
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> as if you can get health insurance here or something
[6:05] <stasis> "not sure if belligerent or just troll"
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> neither, I think you read that too seriously, I was just asking what you meant
[6:08] <stasis> Oh, I honestly just wanted to know what else everyone planned to use their raspi's for
[6:08] <stasis> me = seedbox
[6:09] <stasis> and apologies if i offended
[6:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah I see I forgot that part of the convo, lol
[6:09] <stasis> no harm done
[6:09] <ShiftPlusOne> offended? we're on completely different wavelength here.
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I am going to use one raspi as a mythtv frontend
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and if it allows, then backend as well
[6:10] <stasis> no worries. I just want too see what you guys have in mind, and maybe if what you guys have in mind interest me, i'll do the same thing too!
[6:11] <stasis> i already have a beefy home NAS, but that consumes more power, and spins too many hard drives, than I am comfortable with
[6:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I believe reggie will be using one for some telescope stuff, controlling servos to lock on a target and so on
[6:12] <stasis> ok, maybe not that. :P
[6:13] <stasis> i'd buy 1 just to run irssi, so that i won't have to pay buyvm for my vps
[6:13] <ShiftPlusOne> and obviously I'll have one running a small web server, rtorrent with a web interface and some other p2p clients so that the main comp isn't on 24/7
[6:13] <stasis> exactly
[6:14] <ukscone> heh had 12 prepaid amex cards with 10 cents here 86 cents there on them -- just used them for amazon giftcards and it came to $6.45
[6:14] <stasis> wut?
[6:15] <stasis> S+1: rutorrent's been my fav interface so far
[6:15] <ShiftPlusOne> looks good
[6:15] <ShiftPlusOne> .... like utorrent... which I guess is the point.... judging by the name
[6:16] <stasis> lol, have never tried the utorrent webgui. been using transmission/clutch and ruttorrent so can't comment
[6:16] <ShiftPlusOne> utorrent's main gui looks exactly like rutorrent
[6:17] <stasis> nice, thanks for the info
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> have you been with buyvm for long?
[6:18] <stasis> so SP1 what projects you have in mind???
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> no projects, just what i've mentioned.
[6:19] <stasis> I've been using linux for a year with a sempron box (which incidentally houses my 8tb raid array) and I think its time i run my data away seperately from my experiments
[6:21] <stasis> btw, never buy seagate HDD's. the fear your have rebuilding a 2 hard disk failure is not something i would wish on my worst enemies
[6:21] <ukscone> ok that works. amazon lets you buy giftcards for as little as 1 cent using prepaid amex cards. now i'll never have to leave the last few cents on the card
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, why so many cards?
[6:21] <ukscone> because that's how i buy stuff online
[6:22] <stasis> lol
[6:22] <ukscone> i don't have paypal because i have a uk bank with a usa address and paypal don't like that
[6:22] <ukscone> and i don't have a credit card because wife don't trust me :)
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's like a prepaid card deal where you just throw them away when they're done?
[6:22] <ukscone> so it's prepaid amex cards
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok... that's new to me
[6:23] <ukscone> yup but you end up with a few cents left
[6:23] <ukscone> and it annoyed me to leeave it on the crd unusable
[6:23] <ukscone> but now i know amazon wil let you charge a cent i'll not have to leave anything on a card
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> are there any extra fees associated with it other than the actual credit amount?
[6:24] <ukscone> only when you buy the card
[6:24] <ukscone> and extra $5
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[6:25] <ukscone> don't know how it works downunder but they changed the law a couple of years back so that prepaid cards don't chage monthly fees
[6:25] <ukscone> just the up front purchase fee
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... the american express website has an area where you can scroll through the cards that they have. The arrows are just labelled "Left Arrow" and "Right Arrow" (instead of what they're actually there for). It's like labelling all buttons "Button!"
[6:29] <ukscone> :)
[6:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ok maybe I am not only one who thinks there's something wrong with that
[6:30] <ShiftPlusOne> *-not
[6:30] <ukscone> of course all this new found wealth does me no good as barnes and nobles doesn't take amazon payments for nookcolor apps :)
[6:30] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... nook
[6:31] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: don't ask me i have spent 30 years looking for the "any" key
[6:31] <ukscone> i like my nookcolor. most of the apps are crap but i have tradewinds2 on it, a few suduko games and a few nice apps and 6000+ books and pdf's on it
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> does it handle pdfs well?
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> 'cause that's where Kindle could improve a lot
[6:32] <ukscone> yes and no
[6:33] <ukscone> the stock pdf reader is ok but not great but there are 3 pdf reader apps for between 99 cents and $8 that do very well
[6:33] <ukscone> i mostly use quickoffice pro and repligo reader but ezPDF is ok
[6:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, so it's not just for reading it's also a bit of a tablet as well then?
[6:35] <ukscone> it would help if the screen was 10" but for a 7" screen it's fine. until theey make a A4 or Legal Pad size ereader though pdf's wil never be fantastic on ereaders
[6:35] <ukscone> yup they added apps and enhanced books a couple of upgrades to the s/w ago
[6:35] <ukscone> most of the apps are crap or for kids but a few good ones and a few ok ones
[6:36] <ukscone> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nook-apps/379002908/
[6:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I've had a look already
[6:36] <ukscone> and of course it's hacked and rooted six ways to sunday
[6:37] <ukscone> i use mine for readign and the odd game or utility not as a tablet -- of course they add an im app and ssh client i'd be in heaven
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... I am still wondering whether I should hack my Kindle for free internet.... worried they'll disconnect it.
[6:38] <ukscone> but add a screen and wifi to the raspi and it'd be great as a portable computer :)
[6:38] <ukscone> especially if i can fit it and mod it for my tandy model 100 case
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... do you have a working one by any chance?
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> (tandy model 100)
[6:40] <ukscone> yes
[6:40] <ukscone> i have a 102 and a 100
[6:41] <ukscone> both workign and i have 2 empty cases and keyboards
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... the last computer to have Gate's code on it.
[6:41] <ukscone> not my original 102 i bought in the uk in 83ish as that got squashed in a move :( and them dropped from 2 stories
[6:42] <ukscone> i have a amsrtrad nc100 too but it needs a new lcd as it got cracked when we mocved :(
[6:42] <ukscone> amstrad nc100 even
[6:42] <ukscone> that is a z80 with bbc basic in rom
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> 24k or 8k model 100?
[6:45] <ukscone> 24k
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> fancy
[6:46] <ukscone> i actually had another that had an iffy lcd but i gave it to a friend to see if he could fix it so he could use it with his ham radio stuff
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I find it surprising that these 25+ year old computers still work today. I doubt modern computers will survive that long without repairs.
[6:49] <ukscone> yep. it's easier to find a workign m100 than it is to find a workign 5 year old dell :)
[6:50] <ShiftPlusOne> and 'course the model 100 is all through-hole off the shelf parts, so fixing the board wouldn't be an issue.
[6:51] <ukscone> yup, the lcd is a bit harder but not impossible
[6:53] <ukscone> i'm doubtful i'll find a suitable lcd that the raspi can drive that'll fit in the hole for the lcd on the m100 but one can hope also wou;d need to do some form of matrix keyboard to usb keyboard converotor but something simple like an avr might do it
[6:53] <ukscone> or the teeny or whatever it's called
[6:54] <ukscone> going to put on in a campters lynx case too runnign PALE (a lynx emulator) and xtrs and virtualt or might just use MESS
[6:54] <ukscone> well bed time for me i think
[6:54] <ukscone> night
[6:55] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[7:13] <ahven> morning
[7:16] <ahven> 'The America Invents Act switches the U.S. patent system from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file nation.
[7:17] <DaQatz> Time to burn the patent office.
[7:23] <ahven> luckily I don't live on that continent :)
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[10:35] <ReggieUK> so this new patent thing, does that mean that US companies can now steal chinese/the rest of the worlds ideas and patent them as long as they get to the office first?
[10:36] <ReggieUK> USPTO needs to stop patenting things that are damn obvious
[10:37] <ahven> in the future US will get only Apple & Microsoft products, others fear lawsuits :)
[10:38] <ReggieUK> perhaps apple would like to patent this english gesture to turn the iphone off or just go away? http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/10/285x214/90214_1.jpg
[10:39] <ReggieUK> It dates back to at least agincourt (we used it to goad the french knights into an ill-fated cavalry charge)
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[11:52] * ahven yawns
[11:52] <ahven> lot of work, but still sleepy :P
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[14:22] <ukscone> morning all
[14:22] <IT_Sean> morning
[14:23] <atts> morning
[14:24] <ukscone> ugh just got a im from someone i was supposed to finish writing a program for 9 weeks ago -- he kinda wondered if i had finished yet
[14:24] <ukscone> do you think i should actually start it?
[14:25] <IT_Sean> might be a good idea
[14:25] <atts> "hello, world" isn't that hard of a program to write
[14:25] * IT_Sean plugs in his modem and dials a device in a far off land, in an attept to discern why it isn't working
[14:25] <atts> i gave you 3 months to write it and you haven't gotten back to me
[14:25] <ukscone> i'm leaning towards that but i just don't have the energy or entusthiasm. i'd fight apathy if i could be bothered
[14:26] * IT_Sean cringes at the screechy modem noises
[14:26] <ukscone> he actually gave me 5 months
[14:26] <ukscone> i miss the modem noises now everyoen has cable modems
[14:27] * IT_Sean isn't dialing a computer... HE is dialing a [device] which has an analog dial modem in it
[14:28] <IT_Sean> hmm...
[14:28] <IT_Sean> The device answeres, but doesn't respond to diagnostics :/
[14:29] <ukscone> kick it or hit it with a hammer
[14:29] <IT_Sean> what part of "in a far off land" did you not get?
[14:30] <ukscone> well that could be quite near -- nj is weird
[14:30] <IT_Sean> WHat country code is 91?
[14:30] <ukscone> and far is in the kitchen for me
[14:31] <ukscone> god knows i only remember the european countries that existed in the 80s
[14:31] * IT_Sean looks it up
[14:31] <ukscone> india
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[14:31] <IT_Sean> Ind... dammit... beat me to it.
[14:31] <ukscone> so basically flushing medows in queens
[14:31] <IT_Sean> I am not going to india to hit somebody else's device with a hammer
[14:32] <ukscone> think of the overtime
[14:32] * IT_Sean still isn't doing it
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[14:32] <ukscone> pity you could pick us up a decent curry and some onion bhagi's
[14:32] <IT_Sean> I'm already driving down ot VA next week on business :|
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[14:33] <IT_Sean> Why would i want to treck to INDIA for crissakes?
[14:33] <ukscone> got your immunizations and passport all in order?
[14:33] <IT_Sean> I have,still not going though
[14:33] <ukscone> va is a dangerous place
[14:33] <IT_Sean> oh... did you mean for virginia?
[14:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:33] <ukscone> yeah
[14:34] <ukscone> i like the edit note some put in the foum todat
[14:34] <ukscone> the -ENOCOFFEE
[14:34] <ukscone> i'm still only 3 sips into my first
[14:35] <IT_Sean> vile putrid bean water
[14:35] <ukscone> had to get up early but didn't have to take wife into work as the car service was going to be too late to get her in on time so had to put her in a friends car
[14:35] <ukscone> i'll have a cup of lap sang sou chong later but need to get the caffine levels up first
[14:36] <IT_Sean> fung wah to you as well
[14:38] <IT_Sean> greeeeat... i can connect to this box, but not reliably. Intermittant problems _suck_ to troubleshoot
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[14:41] <ukscone> ring india and ask someone to jiggle the cables
[14:42] <IT_Sean> That would be the device owner's responsibility
[14:42] <IT_Sean> So, now i get to _tell the customer to ring india and have someone jiggle the cables_
[14:43] <IT_Sean> seriousily.
[14:43] <ukscone> isn't it your bosses responsibility to make that phone call to the customer?
[14:45] <IT_Sean> Nope. I'm the tech support guy. Customer comes to me for support. I test. I email customer and tell him to jiggle wires.
[14:45] <IT_Sean> If suctomer misbehaves, he gets told to swap round the ends of the telephone lead.
[14:45] <IT_Sean> *customer
[14:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:47] <jzu> good one
[14:48] <ukscone> :)
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[15:13] <ukscone> a friend just posted this on fb :) -- Please copy and post this as your status even if just for a few minutes, if you know someone who is alive today because you can't afford a hitman!
[15:13] <IT_Sean> o.O
[15:13] <IT_Sean> seems a BAD idea to post that to facebook...
[15:14] <Elench> Is that person a cheap hitman?
[15:14] <Elench> seems like a way to drum up business
[15:15] <ukscone> well he did nearly run me over in college and claim it was an "accident"
[15:15] <IT_Sean> that said... I do know of a few people who i've no idea how they survuved past childhood, due to appalling stupidity...
[15:22] <ukscone> ugh what a stinky cat. think something crawled up it's arse and died
[15:22] <ukscone> gone through 1 can of air freshener already
[15:23] * IT_Sean hands ukscone a wine cork
[15:24] <ukscone> is that for me to shove up my nose or to shove up the cats arse?
[15:24] <ukscone> either would probably work
[15:25] <Thorn_> both, in order
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Well... up your nose might be a little less comfortable (for you, anyway)... But the cat's bum option might leave you with deep claw marks on your arms and face. So... your choice.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> I was thinking of the cat's arse, when i handed it to you, though. Just for the record.
[15:28] <IT_Sean> If you do go with the cat option, be aware that the cat might explode, or the cork my suddenly fly across the room at a high velocity as a very large amount of pressure is released. Obviousily, either event would be acompanied by a large release of toxic cat butt stanky.
[15:36] <ukscone> i think the safest thing to do is leave the house
[15:37] <IT_Sean> I'd tell you to put the cat in a box and post it to alaska (they can use the gas for heating!) but i am fairly sure it would qualify as hazardous materials at this point.
[15:38] <ukscone> yup and i'd have to inform the cd too because of the plague threat
[15:39] <ukscone> s/cd/cdc
[15:39] <IT_Sean> be careful
[15:39] <IT_Sean> cat farts can bring on zombie apocalypse!
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[16:48] <ctyler> wow, we obviously need some boards soon, if the talk is otherwise descending into cat flatulence...
[16:50] <ahven> :)
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[16:56] <IT_Sean> ukscone's cat started it
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[17:49] <IT_Sean> hi PiBot
[17:49] <ukscone> http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7520547/so-you-want-to-get-a-phd-in-theoretical-computer-science lol
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[18:23] <ukscone> http://bakingdom.com/2011/09/to-boldly-go-where-no-cookie-has-gone-before.html have to eat the red shirts first
[18:56] <IT_Sean> red shirt = your ****'d
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[19:01] <ukscone> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035507/Dozens-bottles-counterfeit-Jacobs-Creek-wine-seized--dozy-fraudsters-spell-Australia-wrongly-label.html?ITO=1490
[19:02] <IT_Sean> wow
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[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, quiet in here.
[21:56] <ahven> or evening :)
[21:57] <IT_Sean> afternoon
[22:00] <Thorn_> almost midnight
[22:00] <DaQatz> 4pm here
[22:00] <atts> it's almost beer'o clock here
[22:00] <DaQatz> It's always beer\o clock
[22:01] <ahven> vodka'o clock is already happening :P
[22:01] <IT_Sean> 4pm here as well
[22:04] <ctyler> here too... man, we have a lot of EDT going on
[22:05] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:07] <IT_Sean> it's 4pm onna friday. Pretty safe to say i am going to get fuck all done in the next hour, before i leave the office
[22:08] <ctyler> {{5..7},{10..12}}
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[22:59] <ahven> night
[23:02] <atts> good night
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