#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-14

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:08] <MrCurious> wonder what the NeTV will sell for
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[0:26] <iMatttt> The netv?
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[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, you there?
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[11:08] <ReggieUK> hi all
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[11:15] <ReggieUK> how's it going?
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> not too bad, just finished fixing/updating a few springnote pages... waiting for debian to install to test their accuracy
[11:17] <ReggieUK> ahh nice
[11:17] <ReggieUK> I downloaded the vm, still haven't used it
[11:18] <ReggieUK> I've got just enough brainpower/attention span to lurk in IRC atm :(
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> the VM is a good idea since it's quick and guaranteed to work, but considering the size, it might be faster to set it up manually =/
[11:19] <ReggieUK> if you get the sync message and it wasn't caused by yourself, then the bootloader has hit a panic somewhere
[11:19] <ReggieUK> whoops wrong window :D
[11:19] <ReggieUK> I don't mind the size of the vm
[11:19] <ShiftPlusOne> damn that pesky sync message
[11:19] <ReggieUK> I thought it was a bit on the small side
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> well over here bandwidth is more valuable the gold
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> *than
[11:20] <ReggieUK> ha, well, it's the only feedback they got really from about 1-2hrs worth of debugging an arm9 chip that refused to give up uart boot last night
[11:20] <ReggieUK> oh yeah, australia = crappy dsl?
[11:21] <ReggieUK> I had no issues there, time + bandwidth I have plenty of
[11:21] <ReggieUK> 20Mbit when it's playing nice
[11:21] <ReggieUK> 15 when its being selfish
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I've had cable for a while, but it's more expensive and was actually slower than what I have now
[11:22] <ReggieUK> what've you got atm?
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> though we've got the NBN think going... hopefully they don't screw it up.
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> right now I've got ADSL2+
[11:24] <ShiftPlusOne> though because of crappy wiring I don't get ADSL2+ speeds, even though I live like 500 meters away from the exchange
[11:24] <ReggieUK> :/
[11:24] <ReggieUK> at that short a run I'd consider paying for the 500m of cable myself
[11:26] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[12:24] <mdavey> good morning all
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[12:34] <ReggieUK> hi
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[13:44] <stasis> evening y'all
[14:05] <ukscone1> morning all
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[14:50] <ukscone1> just increased my vocabulary today -- learnt a new word :) Shibboleth -- now to find a way to use it several times a day in normal conversation
[14:50] <ukscone1> ok that's 1
[14:51] <IT_Sean> wassit mean?
[14:51] * IT_Sean feels like he should know that one
[14:54] * IT_Sean pokes ukscone1 with an RSA token
[14:58] <ukscone1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth
[14:59] <ukscone1> and ouch, stop poking me i am feeling all stiff and achy today and i bite
[15:00] <IT_Sean> bah
[15:00] * IT_Sean should have known that
[15:00] <IT_Sean> also... if you don't want to be poked, don't stand in the designated poking area
[15:11] <ukscone1> not only am i all achy the wife is staying home ill today so i'm in a foul mood too -- i had plans for today that involved taking stuff apart and i can't when she's in the house. she seems to get upset when i take things apart even though i do normally put most things back together
[15:11] <IT_Sean> What were you planning on taking apart?
[15:12] <ukscone1> i hadn't really decided but i do have some SIP phones and an amstrad nc100 that need fixing
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Go for it. If she complains, tell her you will disassemble her hair dryer.
[15:13] <IT_Sean> ... and not put it back together
[15:18] <ukscone1> i would except there isn't a hair dryer in the house.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> damn
[15:20] <ukscone1> yeah. i could refuse to charge her nookcolour and itouch (ugh how did that make it into the house. she snuck it in while i wasn't around)
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[15:31] <IT_Sean> better yet, disassemble her nookcolor!
[15:31] * IT_Sean isn't sure why he is so evil this morning
[15:41] <ukscone1> i'd better not do that. she'd probably beat me to death with the pieces
[15:42] <ukscone1> and take mine
[15:42] <IT_Sean> :/
[15:46] <ukscone1> she already takes mine as it has tradewinds2 on it and her's doesn't
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[17:57] <ukscone1> w00t! finally was the first with the ohsummit trivia answer -- hi ho hi ho it's off to ohsummit i go
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[18:43] * IT_Sean "urrrrrp"s
[18:43] <IT_Sean> pardon.
[18:46] <ahven> :)
[18:46] <IT_Sean> hey ahven
[18:47] <ahven> heya
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[18:58] <ukscone1> afternoon all
[18:59] <IT_Sean> hey ukscone1
[19:00] <ahven> hello
[19:01] <ukscone1> getting impatient. not had a reply yet to the email i had to send to claim my prize for ohsummit tomorrow -- don't actually care that much about the summit but want the goodie bag as it looks like it might havee some fun stuff in it
[19:01] <ukscone1> there are a few things i want to listen too but i won't get there until mid morning and have to leave early
[19:05] <ahven> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/14/1621230/New-BIOS-Exploiting-Rootkit-Discovered
[19:09] <ahven> though I'm having a hard time actually understanding what does it do after adding itself to the bios
[19:10] <ahven> and adding the failsafe from the net to keep it infected
[19:14] <MrCurious> apple MAC FTW
[19:16] <ahven> and *nix!
[19:17] <MrCurious> if its linux, it is still vulnerable, as its bios based, not efi based hardware
[19:17] <MrCurious> efi is likely vulnerable too
[19:17] <MrCurious> just not yet exploited
[19:22] <ahven> too much variation there, the userbase is just too big with windowses
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[20:11] <ukscone1> hi ReggieUK
[20:27] <ReggieUK> hi ukscone1
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[21:23] <ukscone1> are we allowed to hunt down and kill forum members who don't read the faq at least ?
[21:23] <ukscone1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=507.0
[21:23] <DaQatz> Only if you don't get caught
[21:24] <ukscone1> i'd plead self-defense -- it was either him or my sanity and i must protect what little sanity i have left
[21:24] <atts> there should be a quiz on the FAQ while you register
[21:25] <IT_Sean> one that won't let you register 'less you get X % of it correct
[21:25] <ukscone1> rats i'd have failed then
[21:25] <atts> if you fail it redirects you to 4chan
[21:25] <ukscone1> i don't do well in tests
[21:25] <IT_Sean> atts: that's just cruel
[21:25] <atts> tough times demand tough measures
[21:26] <IT_Sean> i dunno... seems a bit extreme.
[21:27] <ukscone1> ok to aol.com
[21:28] <IT_Sean> That's even worse!
[21:28] <friggle> http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/11/09/14/1554243/Eben-Upton-Answers-Your-Questions
[21:28] <IT_Sean> Is there still an AOL.com?
[21:28] <RRRRube> You could send them to microsoft.com ;P
[21:28] <IT_Sean> Isn't AOL dead yet!?
[21:29] <ukscone1> nope ariana huggington is a vampire so her undead abilitys have infected it
[21:29] <IT_Sean> who?
[21:30] <ukscone1> huffington
[21:30] <ukscone1> i typo'ed
[21:30] <IT_Sean> ooh
[21:30] * IT_Sean still has no idea who you are talking about, but just moves on anyway
[21:43] <mdavey> Good grief, I think I see a girl in the forum. Other than Liz, I mean. This day shall go down in history.
[21:43] <ReggieUK> LIES
[21:43] <mdavey> What is it about R.Pi forum that attracts just the guys?
[21:44] <ReggieUK> or could it be 'what is it about geek forums that make girls pretend to be guys so they get treated equally?'
[21:44] <ReggieUK> just throwin it out there
[21:46] <mdavey> Ah
[21:47] <IT_Sean> i think ReggieUK impacted the proverbial wood fastening device on it's flattened surface
[21:56] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks. It's upgrades wednesday tonight - hold on tight and please keep arms and legs inside the ride at all times. To start with we'll have a bit of rehubbing, then the following servers will restart: leguin, gibson, wolfe, hitchcock and pratchett. I'll let you know when it's all done. Thanks.
[21:57] * mdavey requires moderation
[21:57] <mdavey> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=508.0
[22:00] <friggle> anyone else here have an alpha board?
[22:00] <ReggieUK> we all do
[22:00] <ReggieUK> oh damn
[22:01] <ReggieUK> I wasn't meant to tell anyone we got ours early
[22:01] <ReggieUK> no, no one on here has one
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[22:03] <mdavey> wb
[22:04] <ReggieUK> was it something I said?
[22:05] <IT_Sean> yes
[22:05] <IT_Sean> < ReggieUK> or could it be 'what is it about geek forums that make girls pretend to be guys so they get treated equally?'
[22:05] <IT_Sean> when you said that...
[22:05] <ReggieUK> so do you have one friggle?
[22:05] <IT_Sean> ... a freak wormhole opened
[22:05] <IT_Sean> ... I think you see where i am going with this.
[22:06] <ReggieUK> ahh
[22:06] <ReggieUK> I thought it might've been karma for this:
[22:06] <ReggieUK> [21:00] <friggle> anyone else here have an alpha board?
[22:06] <ReggieUK> [21:00] <ReggieUK> we all do
[22:06] <ReggieUK> [21:00] <ReggieUK> oh damn
[22:06] <ReggieUK> [21:01] <ReggieUK> I wasn't meant to tell anyone we got ours early
[22:06] <friggle> ReggieUK: I do. Probably mainly because my PhD supervisor is involved in the project and needs to be able to demo the unit to visitors
[22:06] <friggle> but if you read the slashdot interview I'm the Cambridge area developer interested in Lua
[22:06] <friggle> only got it yesterday though, and I'm not going to have much hacking time until the weekend
[22:07] <ReggieUK> send it to me overnight shipping, I'll have it back by saturday morning, I promise!!
[22:07] <IT_Sean> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[22:07] <ReggieUK> shhh
[22:07] <ReggieUK> you'll spoil it
[22:07] * IT_Sean is pretty sure you just did.
[22:08] * ReggieUK acts casual and goes about his business
[22:08] <IT_Sean> eeew... not on the rug, ReggieUK!
[22:11] <atts> less than 80 days till r.pi
[22:11] <mdavey> woohoo!
[22:11] <atts> assuming they release before dec 1st
[22:11] <atts> and i think i saw a post where liz said they were still on track for end of november
[22:11] <WASD_> me wants!
[22:12] <friggle> that's the plan
[22:12] <friggle> I think every geek is going to want one for christmas
[22:12] <mdavey> yea, they hope to send the final design off to production at the end of september.
[22:12] <mdavey> how long was it last time between sending off the alpha design and gettibg back the boads?
[22:12] <mdavey> *boards
[22:13] <friggle> I don't think that's a very relevant metric
[22:13] <mdavey> well then they need to stock up - the factory can only make so many a week
[22:13] <mdavey> assuming they are even using the same place
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[22:16] <friggle> I'm pleased to see a thorough answer to the VGA question on the slashdot interview
[22:16] <DaQatz> Oi
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[22:25] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks. That's the end of today's ride. The server upgrades/restarts are complete for tonight. Please take all your belongings with you while leaving the ride. Thanks for your patience and have a good evening!
[22:27] <mdavey> friggle: Yes. Would be nice to get the updated answer into the FAQ page.
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[22:34] <atts> !w forecast 02451
[22:35] <IT_Sean> ha ha
[22:35] <atts> lazy bot
[22:35] <atts> making me actually go to weather.com
[22:35] * IT_Sean kicks RaspberryPiBot in it's dangly bits
[22:36] <_Thorn> time to be totally offtopic
[22:36] <_Thorn> any bikers? need an extra opinion on http://www.aprilia.com/Model/40/RS+125/Overview.aspx
[22:37] <friggle> It's a bummer the debian hardfp is armv7+ only
[22:38] * IT_Sean hates that silvery scratch off stuff. The flakes get everywhere
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[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> _Thorn, would that be your first bike?
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> and are you buying brand new or second hand?
[23:18] <_Thorn> second hand, which is bad being a two stroke, yes first bike
[23:18] <_Thorn> only reasonable 125 4 strokes i could find where the cbr125 and ybr125 but they're a bit... weak
[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> are you legally required to stick to 125?
[23:20] <_Thorn> yes
[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and you can afford insurance?
[23:20] <_Thorn> 3 years ( haven't even taken the A test yet, then the two years 33bhp restriction after that)
[23:21] <_Thorn> yes, third party (no F&T)
[23:21] <_Thorn> came to ??5000 fully comp btw
[23:21] <_Thorn> went 'fuck that' pretty quick
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that bike is pretty light and nimble
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> not to mention insane acceleration
[23:22] <vexorg> wow thats a lot of money for insurance!
[23:22] <_Thorn> yeah, it drops by ten fold once you have two years under a full license.
[23:23] <_Thorn> people round here keep telling me it's the 'best' bike in the learners legal range
[23:23] <_Thorn> also intend to get in some exp race training up at Knockhill (only 15 miles from here)
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> _Thorn, I would agree... I've been looking to buy one myself, but they are too expensive for me.
[23:25] <_Thorn> they seem to certainly be the prettiest(imo) and fastest from what i've read
[23:25] <_Thorn> reliability seems to be terrible tho
[23:25] <ShiftPlusOne> well it's a two stroke
[23:25] <_Thorn> yeah, not really much choice in the 125 range
[23:26] <_Thorn> and the four strokes... people keep telling me i'd be lucky to hit 30 uphill.
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> you could get a more standard 4 stroke bike like the cbr and it will do just fine
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, I started on a 250.
[23:26] <_Thorn> haha wow
[23:26] <_Thorn> used to be able to ride a 250 here before taking the full test, but they stopped before i was born :p
[23:26] <_Thorn> stopped that*
[23:27] <_Thorn> what 250?
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> VN250
[23:27] <_Thorn> oooh a kwakker
[23:28] <_Thorn> nice
[23:29] <WASD_> Quacker
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> also take a look at Honda NSR 125
[23:29] <_Thorn> tried
[23:29] <_Thorn> insurance on the nsr is ridiculous
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and?
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[23:29] <_Thorn> 2x that of any other bike
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> well yeah, they are racing bikes
[23:29] <vexorg> i wish theyd introduce that style of graduated licensing to canada
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> so a lot of tools buy them
[23:29] <_Thorn> not sure why, it's a lower insurance group than the aprilia rs.
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and crash them straight away
[23:30] <vexorg> too many kids start off on (for example) a 600 and crash it straight off
[23:30] <_Thorn> haha
[23:30] <_Thorn> yeah i'd probably kill myself in the first week on a 600 :P
[23:31] <vexorg> look at how many youtube vids show morons w their first time on their sportbike, rev it up, then freak out and freeze, then run straight into whatever is down teh road from them
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> A big problem with 600cc as a first bike may not be that you'll crash, but that you won't learn to ride properly
[23:31] <vexorg> exactly
[23:32] <vexorg> if you start on a powerful bike, odds are that youll be afraid of it
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> _Thorn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44PMZnKMLdQ skip to 2:50
[23:32] <_Thorn> considering the rs 125 can be unrestricted to 115mph, i'll probably be half afraid of that thing too :P
[23:32] <vexorg> hehe
[23:34] <vexorg> are enduro bikes big over there?
[23:34] <vexorg> also sometimes called dualsport
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> vexorg, what bike do you have?
[23:35] <vexorg> 2006 ktm 525 and a 2004 klr650
[23:35] <vexorg> used to have a vfr and cbr etc etc
[23:35] <vexorg> now i ride pretty much all dirt
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> _Thorn, actually ignore that video, he goes way off topic. He has a few 'first bike' videos, but yeah he recommends the two bikes you've already looked into.
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> vexorg, where are you from?
[23:36] <vexorg> i live in vancouver canada
[23:36] <vexorg> you know
[23:36] <vexorg> riot land
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> a lot of good offroading tracks there?
[23:37] <vexorg> yes :)
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... I've looked into getting a ktm, but damn they are expensive
[23:37] <vexorg> more then enough single track to keep you busy for months and months :)
[23:37] <vexorg> they last forever and are easy to maintain
[23:37] <vexorg> sooo worth it
[23:37] <vexorg> i can do my valves in 15 mins
[23:37] <vexorg> its different for the new ones tho, they take much longer
[23:38] <vexorg> but the new ones dont need to be adjusted as much either
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not even sure where's good for offroading in my area, so I probably wouldn't go too often anyway. I don't like bikes sitting in the garage.
[23:38] <vexorg> yeah i can understand that
[23:39] <vexorg> i ride both days on the weekend and one or two evenings during the week in the summer
[23:39] <vexorg> where do you live?
[23:39] <_Thorn> few mates do alot of track offroading here, also offroading is crazy with the kids (8-12 year olds on those minimoto's jumping 50ft into the air, crazy!)
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Melbourne
[23:40] <vexorg> nice :)
[23:40] <vexorg> we have a few tracks here, but i dont go to them too often
[23:40] <vexorg> they must think its funny to get passed on teh track by a bike with a plate and an extended range tank though :)
[23:40] <vexorg> i should honk when i go by :)
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:43] <vexorg> time for me to head home, have to play hockey
[23:43] <vexorg> (its canada, its the law here)
[23:43] <vexorg> nice to have met you guys :)
[23:43] * vexorg <-- could talk about bike stuff all day long
[23:43] <_Thorn> bb :)
[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, have fun
[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> _Thorn, any other bike questions? It's always good to join a forum where people know what they are talking about without giving you attitude for being new.
[23:47] <_Thorn> not yet, it's going to be atleast 2 months before i get it (buy bike, insurance, take CBT test, etc)
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> are you getting the gear first?
[23:48] <_Thorn> yes
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> good, just checking.... yeah you'll be fine, you seem sensible.
[23:49] <_Thorn> some awesome country roads round here too (including the one i take the bus to college to)
[23:49] <_Thorn> 20 miles, takes 1hr30 on public transport, horrible.
[23:51] <_Thorn> that was a clumsy sentence
[23:51] <_Thorn> maybe i should reinvest in english lessons instead :P
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, it takes me 1hr30 to get to uni by public transport. 50 minutes by bike, in rush hour.
[23:52] <_Thorn> might unrestrict it after the cbt, not sure
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[23:52] <_Thorn> it's not legal but it's not really the same being restricted to 30mph up a hill all the time
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> you might be better of selling it unrestricted
[23:52] <_Thorn> it's gonna be 3 yrs before i can get rid of it (2yrs after taking full A test before you're allowed on a bigger bike here)
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> unrestricted bikes may actually drop in price because learners can't legally use them.
[23:54] <_Thorn> hmm seems the 2yr restriction is to 33bhp not on cc
[23:54] <_Thorn> so it can be replaced by a bigger bike
[23:54] * _Thorn buys a 1000cc cruiser and restricts to 33bhp :P
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> actually a 1000cc cruiser is still a learner-friendly bike
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> cruisers are much more 'forgiving'
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and heavy
[23:56] <_Thorn> yeah
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> and not many people actually race them around corners. You only see Harleys take off fast at traffic lights, but when they get to a corner they slow right down.
[23:56] <_Thorn> like 'really, don't drop them' heavy
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> me to head home, have to play hockey
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> <vexorg> (its canada, its the law here)
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> <vexorg> nice to have met you guys :)
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> * vexorg <-- could talk about bike stuff all day
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... no idea why that pasted
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbbWfpLz08
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> there we go
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> and that's just a klr

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