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IRC Log for 2011-09-17

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[0:00] <ReggieUK> WASD_, where is that picture of?
[0:00] <Thorn_> looks like a render.
[0:01] <Thorn_> clouds kinda give it away imo
[0:01] <WASD_> I dont remember where I got it. But i suspect it's rendered
[0:01] <WASD_> I think the reflecting in the water is most obvious
[0:01] <ReggieUK> why should it be rendered?
[0:01] <WASD_> It looks unreal
[0:02] <ReggieUK> sky and mountains look absulutely fine to me
[0:02] <WASD_> yeah, but not the clounds
[0:02] <WASD_> I think it's partly rendered or photoshopped
[0:03] <ReggieUK> clouds look fine too
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[0:03] <WASD_> they are kind of motion blurred
[0:03] <WASD_> sky and mountain are probably real
[0:03] <WASD_> at least mountains
[0:03] <ReggieUK> of course, what do you expect, they're clouds
[0:03] <WASD_> and the forest
[0:04] <ReggieUK> clouds do move :)
[0:04] <WASD_> not that fast
[0:04] <ReggieUK> ?
[0:04] <ReggieUK> eh?
[0:04] <ReggieUK> how long do you reckon the shutter was open then?
[0:04] <ahven> sometimes they move very fast :P
[0:04] <WASD_> I see too much motion blur on them
[0:05] <ReggieUK> the telling part is the stars
[0:05] <ReggieUK> they're slightly elongated
[0:05] <ReggieUK> at least the brighter ones are
[0:05] <ReggieUK> so it's likely that it was a bit longer than a normal exposure
[0:06] <ReggieUK> there is *no* ambient light source in the image that we can see apart from starlight
[0:07] <ReggieUK> it's a bit blue so it *might* have been around sundown
[0:07] <ReggieUK> but I don't think so :)
[0:11] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1108/aurora_casado_2000.jpg
[0:21] <ReggieUK> apod do some awesome images, great for desktop image, most of them are hi-res
[0:21] <pugvader_> woww
[0:21] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110729.html
[0:21] <pugvader_> nice picture where was it taken ReggieUK
[0:22] <pugvader_> peautiful pic by WASD_ also
[0:22] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110823.html
[0:22] <pugvader_> greets to the old maemo guys btw
[0:22] <pugvader_> ty
[0:22] <ReggieUK> that's where :)
[0:23] <WASD_> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110729.html looks like australia
[0:23] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110831.html
[0:23] <pugvader_> northern lights was pretty amazing - especially before computer graphics
[0:23] <ReggieUK> yeah, kinda like australia
[0:24] <ReggieUK> apart from the 96mile wide crate with a 5k high mountain range :)
[0:25] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110812.html
[0:26] <ReggieUK> I love that kind of stuff
[0:26] <ReggieUK> especially the full res image
[0:27] <ReggieUK> there are so many galaxies in that one picture
[0:29] <ReggieUK> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060321.html
[0:29] <ReggieUK> even moar galaxies in this one
[0:30] <ReggieUK> thousands
[0:33] <pugvader_> wow
[0:34] <pugvader_> wish we could communicate with aliens
[0:34] <ReggieUK> not too bothered atm
[0:35] <ReggieUK> too many issues down here to be talking to aliens yet :)
[0:38] <ReggieUK> there's no reason (apart from a lack of common language) that we couldn't talk to them, if we knew which direction they were in and were prepared to wait a helluva long time for a reply
[0:39] <IT_Sean> Not to mention the telephone bill
[0:39] <IT_Sean> It would be diabolical
[0:40] <ukscone> reverse the charges
[0:40] <pugvader_> i figure aliens and humans both would have the em-spectrum in common
[0:40] <WASD_> I got a video of us humans contacting a tribe that have never seen white people
[0:40] <pugvader_> maybe sound and light sensing organs too
[0:40] <pugvader_> cool
[0:41] <pugvader_> oh dear after 00 AM
[0:43] <ReggieUK> WASD_, but they are face to face, look the same, they would have many things in common to show each other, and crucially, both have vocal cords to emulate each others noises
[0:44] <WASD_> I think body language will mostly be used if we meet aliens, but there is no way to know
[0:44] <WASD_> that's what they used in that video
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[0:44] <ReggieUK> not entirely sure how I'd go about communicating with a species I can't see across the galaxy
[0:45] <WASD_> I mean face to face
[0:45] <WASD_> whenever that happens
[0:45] <IT_Sean> I'd start off with "Greetings. We come in peace." :p
[0:45] <WASD_> yeah
[0:45] <WASD_> like in that movie
[0:45] <ReggieUK> we don't even know if they've got faces :D
[0:46] <WASD_> haha
[0:46] <IT_Sean> Of course, for all we know, that could mean "Hello there! Please probe are bums!" in the alien dialect >.<
[0:46] <WASD_> The best base we have is a generalisation of all our species
[0:46] <WASD_> and most of them have faces
[0:46] <WASD_> but it may be completely different
[0:47] <ReggieUK> everyone that would like to meet aliens tends to think of them as cute beings with above normal intelligence, higher beings as such
[0:47] <ReggieUK> my bet is more mars attacks
[0:48] <ReggieUK> we come in peace, pew pew pew
[0:48] <WASD_> if they are "criminal", their society would probably develop slowly
[0:48] <IT_Sean> that's a very bleak view
[0:48] <WASD_> Or they could be like the Vikings, take everything that doesnt belong to your team. Or something like that
[0:49] <WASD_> but they have probably globalizsed their planet before they visit ours
[0:49] <IT_Sean> My theory is that any alien race that is capable of communicating over great distances with us (without waiting eleventy billion years for a response) is probably more advanced than we are.
[0:49] <WASD_> yup
[0:49] <WASD_> The one who makes contact is the more advanced one I guess
[0:49] <ReggieUK> our society could be viewed as criminal, inept, naive etc.
[0:50] <WASD_> ypu
[0:51] <ReggieUK> that's why I'd rather we didn't meet them just yet
[0:51] <ReggieUK> 100 years maybe
[0:51] <ReggieUK> even then I think that's optimistic
[0:52] <pugvader_> :)
[0:52] <ReggieUK> then again, I don't think we're going to make it out of our solar system
[0:52] <WASD_> there has to be some new kind of technology for it
[0:52] <WASD_> the scale of stuff is incredible
[0:52] <WASD_> we just made it to mars, and other galaxies are probably 1000 times further away
[0:52] <WASD_> at least
[0:53] <ReggieUK> I think it will be fundamentally new technology that we aren't even close to thinking about yet
[0:53] <WASD_> yes
[0:53] <ReggieUK> well, a light year is 6trillion miles
[0:53] <ReggieUK> give or take
[0:53] <pugvader_> almost as big as the US debt
[0:53] <Endeavour> Ha-ha! ReggieUK, alive again.
[0:54] <WASD_> I dont know how many months or years it took to get to mars, but you would need to reach at least 1000 times that
[0:54] <WASD_> so at least 500 years with todays technology
[0:54] <WASD_> But I'm just making numbers up
[0:55] <ReggieUK> to get out of our galaxy to the next one is 2.5 million light years
[0:56] <WASD_> yeah..
[0:56] <IT_Sean> That makes my recent drive to VA and back seem like peanuts.
[0:56] <WASD_> I guess there are a few light minutes to mars
[0:56] <WASD_> so over 9000 years to get outside of our galaxy
[0:56] <WASD_> or even solar system
[0:56] <WASD_> with todays spaceships
[0:56] <IT_Sean> We are going to get to mars only to find it's already been colonized by the Germans. :p
[0:56] <ReggieUK> 15million, trillion miles ot get to the next nearest galaxy
[0:57] <ReggieUK> the scales between our solar system and even reaching another star are enormous
[0:57] <ReggieUK> hi Endeavour
[0:57] <IT_Sean> Space is big.
[0:57] <ReggieUK> it takes 2 years to reach mars
[0:57] <IT_Sean> Really really big.
[0:57] <WASD_> We must learn to bend spacetime or something
[0:57] <IT_Sean> You might think it's a long way down the road to the pub, but that's peanuts to space!
[0:57] <ReggieUK> yes
[0:58] <ReggieUK> I think the voyager probe is some way out towards the edge of our solar system
[0:58] <IT_Sean> If they made it go faster from the beginning, it'd be further away by now
[0:58] * IT_Sean hides.
[0:59] <WASD_> some drugs can make you contact other lifeforms. If you'd believe the encounters are real then we already have contacted aliens
[0:59] <pugvader_> just need some kind of proof in the form of a new technology WASD_
[1:00] <pugvader_> 'how did you invent this?' "the machine elves showed me how"
[1:00] <WASD_> :)
[1:00] <ReggieUK> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/index.html
[1:00] <traeak> WASD_: for a second there i thougth you typed "contract", must be the drugs
[1:00] <WASD_> haha
[1:00] <WASD_> You could probably make contracts too
[1:01] <WASD_> that Bow Shock thing looks badass
[1:01] <pugvader_> one of the funniest stories was off usenet in the early 90s - a guy had tried DMT in australia, then found his kitchen appliances had turned into happy robots
[1:01] <ReggieUK> that's us pushing through the galaxy
[1:01] <WASD_> So, 34 years and it's just at the end of our solar system
[1:01] <ReggieUK> yup
[1:01] <WASD_> hehe
[1:02] <WASD_> it's really hard to research stuff such as DMT
[1:02] <WASD_> we dont have the technology
[1:02] <WASD_> we only have materialistic technology
[1:02] <WASD_> like measruing how much something weights
[1:02] <ReggieUK> the mad thing is that the technology put on it 34 years ago is still running and sending data back that we can recieve
[1:02] <ReggieUK> 33*
[1:02] <WASD_> yeah
[1:02] <WASD_> just like a Game Boy
[1:02] <ReggieUK> DMT?
[1:03] <WASD_> ReggieUK: most powerful drug in the world
[1:03] <ReggieUK> ahh
[1:03] <WASD_> puts you in another reality
[1:03] <WASD_> that may contain other lifeforms
[1:03] <WASD_> the problem is you can't prove it
[1:03] <ReggieUK> hmmmmmmmn
[1:03] <pugvader_> WASD_: or it messes up your brain and makes you think kitchen appliances look like happy robots
[1:03] <WASD_> like if i met alieans in my dream
[1:04] <WASD_> pugvader_: that is another reality :)
[1:04] <pugvader_> WASD_: what if one of the things that gets unbalanced in the brain is the feedback mechanism that allows the brain to assign importance to certain impressions?
[1:04] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, DMT sounds like religion
[1:05] <pugvader_> What if it causes hallucinations and simultaenously activates your brain to think that your sensations are super-duper-important informat?
[1:05] <pugvader_> information?
[1:05] <WASD_> That's very possible
[1:05] <WASD_> hence i say there is no proof
[1:05] <pugvader_> mhm
[1:05] <WASD_> but it's a very interesting topic even if its all in our brain
[1:06] <pugvader_> and it's ridiculous to outlaw
[1:06] <WASD_> ReggieUK: that seems like a quick conclusion
[1:06] <WASD_> very true
[1:06] <WASD_> to me, religion involves a group
[1:06] <ReggieUK> no it doesn't
[1:06] <WASD_> you can take a DMT journey yourself
[1:06] <WASD_> like if you would go out in the forest alone
[1:06] <WASD_> its a personal journey
[1:07] <WASD_> I see how it can be interpret as religous
[1:07] <ReggieUK> it involves you believing a bunch of stories that no one is able to prove
[1:08] <ReggieUK> is dmt manufactured or does it occur naturally?
[1:08] <WASD_> you dont have to believe anything. Try to see it as a dream
[1:08] <WASD_> naturally
[1:08] <WASD_> it appears everywhere in nature
[1:08] <WASD_> some scientists say it's made in our brains too
[1:09] <WASD_> but you get it you would extract from a high-potent plant
[1:09] <MrCurious> it occurs naturally, comes form the cough syrup tree :P
[1:10] <WASD_> I think seeing DMT somewhat as a dream is good
[1:11] <WASD_> it doesnt have to have anything to do with religion then
[1:11] <ReggieUK> by occurs everywhere in nature sounds a bit vague, I guess you're talking trace amounts in most stuff
[1:11] <WASD_> and science can approach it
[1:11] <ReggieUK> and a few specific plants that have it in abundance?
[1:11] <WASD_> I've heard that all plants that have been tested contains it in various amounts
[1:11] <WASD_> yes
[1:14] <ReggieUK> so, about 40 plants and 4 mammals it appears in
[1:14] <ReggieUK> 50 even
[1:14] <WASD_> I have no idea, I know of at least 3 plants that have significant amounts
[1:14] <pugvader_> i tried 5-MeO DMT when it was legal
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[1:15] <ReggieUK> personally, I don't think we know enough about much of anything to explore this stuff properly
[1:15] <pugvader_> but instead of the reccommended amount, i split into 4 doses of increasing size
[1:15] <pugvader_> because i had read the usenet stories and did not want to lose my mind
[1:15] <ReggieUK> aliens, space travel, astro physics, chemistry, physics etc.
[1:16] <WASD_> ReggieUK: do you mean in a scientific way?
[1:16] <ReggieUK> yes
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[1:16] <WASD_> I've heard many who have tried it that says you are never ready
[1:16] <pugvader_> really i don't want to die wide awake
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[1:17] <pugvader_> which is kind of what ego-dissolution is
[1:19] <WASD_> I've tried to understand what en ego death is, but I've never really linked it to dying
[1:19] <WASD_> "you" are alive but with no self
[1:21] <pugvader_> yea
[1:21] <WASD_> That's about as much as I understand
[1:22] <WASD_> many have said that you can never understand it unless you experiece it, which seems very true
[1:24] <nrdb> I understand that the Rpi has a video input. Does this mean it can digitise and create a movie file? could it run a mythtv frontend?
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[1:25] <ReggieUK> I don't tbink it's got a video input, if it has it's news to me
[1:25] <ReggieUK> it's got composite and hdmi out
[1:26] <IT_Sean> I thought it has HDMI and Composite OUT
[1:26] <WASD_> nrdb: I don't know about video input. But I think some people on the forum said they're gonna use it as media stations, possibly mythtv
[1:26] <IT_Sean> It hasn't got any goesintas
[1:26] <IT_Sean> It has USB, so, you could use a USB capture option, i suppose.
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> I'm off to bed
[1:45] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[1:45] <tinhat> nite
[1:45] <ReggieUK> cya
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[1:57] <pugvader_> cua
[2:15] <tinhat> !w HU12DQ
[2:15] <PiBot> tinhat: in hu12dq on 2011-09-16 23:20:00 +0000 temperature 55??F 13??C, condition Clear, Humidity: 88%.
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[3:32] <tinhat> ok, sleepy time!
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[7:43] <ahven> and the minetest server part compiled nicely on arm
[7:44] <ahven> have to read up on optimizing for arm, any takes?
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, which version of GCC?
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> "Keep in mind that the reason the flags exist in the first place is because they are designed to be used at specific places for specific purposes. Just because one particular CFLAG is good for one bit of code doesn't mean that it is suited to compiling everything you will ever install on your machine!"
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-optimization.xml
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.1/gcc/ARM-Options.html#ARM-Options
[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Every article I read about Windows 8 makes me facepalm."'You ought to expect that we are rethinking and working hard on what it would mean to do Office Metro style"... WHY do they keep treating the desktop as a tablet!? This is where unity failed! You can't have the same GUI on all devices! </rant>
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[11:40] <ReggieUK> g'morning
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[11:48] <ReggieUK> hey dude :)
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[12:00] <ReggieUK> I figured out why I hate being awake on a saturday morning
[12:00] <ReggieUK> uk TV is so abysmal on a saturday morning
[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> TV?
[12:09] <ReggieUK> television#
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> why bother with it anyway? everything is available online
[12:11] <ReggieUK> cos I don't want to go searching and downloading, I just want to watch
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's a recipe for mind-numbing boredom
[12:12] <ReggieUK> but I like the numb sometimes
[12:15] <ReggieUK> just not this numb
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> are they showing Neighbours or something? D=
[12:17] <ReggieUK> I didn't say I was suicidal
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[12:18] <ReggieUK> I'm watching time team
[12:18] <ReggieUK> which says a lot about the rest of TV, cos I hate tony robinson
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne> well that seems somewhat educational
[12:19] <ReggieUK> vaguely
[12:19] <ReggieUK> I know how to use a trowel now
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> but what's the difference between a trowel and a spade?
[12:20] <ReggieUK> size?
[12:20] <ReggieUK> shape
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> well I've been making a fool of myself... I've always thought spades were trowels.
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> see? educational
[12:21] <ReggieUK> I'd like to see you doing some plastering
[12:21] <ReggieUK> that'd be amusing
[12:22] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trowel
[12:22] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spade
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[12:23] <ReggieUK> I didn't need time team to teach me the difference between spades and trowels though
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure if I turned on the TV on saturday morning it would be 2 channels of Australian Football, 3 for Cricket, 1 for Tennis and another few showing oprah/judge judy/ellen and trash like that
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[13:50] <tinhat> @ShiftPlusOne you're not locking the Ubuntu thread are you?
[13:50] <tinhat> I was hoping to lure James away so could nick his stuff in the yard!
[14:04] <pugvader_> the older i get the more dead people i know
[14:19] <RRRRube> pugvader_, oh dear, it's sad when you know more people in the Obits than in the marriage announcements
[14:20] <pugvader_> mhm
[14:21] <ReggieUK> you must be knocking on a bit then pugvader_?
[14:21] <pugvader_> 4 decades
[14:22] <ReggieUK> same but not many people I know have died
[14:22] <ReggieUK> 2 to be precise
[14:22] <ukscone> hi ho hi ho it's off to steal an alphaboard we go
[14:22] <ReggieUK> both through stupidity rather than old age
[14:23] <ReggieUK> good luck ukscone
[14:23] <ReggieUK> and, uhm, that should be 2 alphaboards if you want twiglets
[14:23] <ukscone> just make sure you have the bail money ready
[14:23] <ukscone> liz is bringing me a small stash of twiglets
[14:24] <ukscone> so i'll be ok for a week :) then i'll start getting withdrawl symptoms
[14:24] <ReggieUK> I was going to have marmite on toast this morning
[14:25] <tinhat> hate it
[14:25] <ReggieUK> luckily I was telling ukscone, otherwise that conversatio would be dead
[14:25] <ReggieUK> ;)
[14:29] <ReggieUK> ha, dead anyway then
[14:34] <ahven> gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8)
[14:34] <ahven> @ ShiftPlusOne
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[14:37] <ahven> ukscone: do you know what does --target=arm-linux-gnueabi imply automatically? can't seem to find it with google
[14:41] <ahven> or should I wait for the real hardware before even starting to think about optmizing? :)
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[15:12] <ahven> strange
[15:12] <ahven> http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_Platform_Dependent_Issues
[15:12] <ahven> no ARM?
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[15:30] <pugvader_> ahven: i have used cmake in maemo
[15:31] <ahven> same here, on a raspi compatible arm rootfs
[15:32] <ahven> just got curious about the cmake system, how to edit the default options etc
[15:34] <pugvader_> dunno
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[17:26] <pugvader_> http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/wp-content/uploads/BF.0049.Davis_20110701.mp3 <<< What US whistleblowers are going through.
[17:30] <pugvader_> Julia Davis joins us to discuss her experience with the Department of Homeland Security as a federal officer, her discovery and reporting of serious security lapses within the department, and the unprecedented magnitude of retaliation and abuses she suffered as a whistleblower.
[17:42] <tinhat> So much for the Obama administration welcoming whistleblowers as an essental and important part of the system
[17:42] <tinhat> but then again: hardly a surprise
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[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tinhat, nope I am not locking any threads, don't even have the ability to. I think locking threads doesn't address the problem and is a quick way to an awful forum.
[19:34] <tinhat> well sometimes it's better than letting the arguments run forever but yes, not excessively
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> tinhat, I am a moderator on another forum where they just lock threads... and it's just the same few people getting all the interesting threads locked
[19:36] <tinhat> @ShiftPlusOne I'd agree with that. It did sound very much no you don't yes I do childishness in the thread mentioned
[19:37] <tinhat> @ShiftPlusOne anyways wasn't sreious about you locking it
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[19:37] <Thorn_> is the rpi out yet?
[19:38] <tinhat> gni
[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, yes
[19:39] <Stskeeps> friggle: ping
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> and I can promise that this forum will attract a lot of trolls. The better the intentions of the participants, the more passionate people are about things, the more difficult they get.
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[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> The forum I mentioned previously (which was a PITA to moderate) was actually a buddhist forum... you'd expect them to be pretty chill... but no.
[19:40] <tinhat> OTOH the win 8 thread has been bringing up interesting information now
[19:40] <tinhat> quite surprised me
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> what sort of information?
[19:40] <tinhat> trolling a buddhist forum! that's rich
[19:41] <tinhat> I knew about the binary blob, no problem with that myself
[19:41] <tinhat> but the gpl kernel handler might be
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but liz has mentioned that there's a memory location you can write to to get screen output
[19:42] <Stskeeps> having a open kernel module solves so many things, a userland closed lib less so
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> so you might not get all the fancy features
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> but you can get a basic display up
[19:42] <tinhat> I#d prefer BSD license
[19:42] <tinhat> as I won't be able to use any GPL stuff in the ROM image
[19:42] <tinhat> but there are work arounds
[19:43] <tinhat> I hope
[19:43] <Stskeeps> the ARM norm, right now, is 1) redistributable userland, 2) open source kernel module and 3) ideally open source xorg driver
[19:43] <Stskeeps> for linux, at least
[19:44] <tinhat> not using linux, so that'll be interesting
[19:44] <Stskeeps> any of you here who has a developer board and some time to kill? :)
[19:44] <Stskeeps> true
[19:44] <Stskeeps> what are you planning to port, tinhat?
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Stskeeps, nope
[19:44] <tinhat> @Stskeeps well not me in person but we're looking into a RISC OS port
[19:44] <Stskeeps> ah
[19:45] <tinhat> runs on the cortex A8
[19:45] <tinhat> so ARMv6 is possible
[19:46] <Stskeeps> my personal goal is a meego-derived core, ie, Qt on top of raspberry pi - already have a armv6 build and ran on another armv6 device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEKIXVeBGY
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[19:46] <tinhat> meego could be nice
[19:47] <tinhat> I'll have to try it on my BB sometime, think it worked with the super wamba(?) thingy from AI
[19:47] <ShiftPlusOne> is maker faire on right now?
[19:48] <Stskeeps> afaik
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, is probably playing with an alpha board right now. >=/
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I do hope they opensource the GPU kernel module though... will make things a lot easier.
[19:51] <Stskeeps> that was my impression that the gpu kernel module was oss though
[19:51] <Stskeeps> and the userland was the blob
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> apparently not at this stage.
[19:52] <Stskeeps> ok
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Eben has said it's closed, but Jamesh said they don't know what will be closed and what will be open yet.
[19:53] <Stskeeps> well, either way, what matters is getting systems working
[19:53] <tinhat> would be nice to have some documentation when it goes public
[19:53] <Stskeeps> if you can distribute images without being sued, that helps a lot
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> well reverse engineering the module should be possible
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it's illegal to make your own based on a disassembled binary though
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> so it would have to be disassembled by someone who's not the developer of the 'open' version
[19:54] <tinhat> well only if you look at it yourself
[19:55] <tinhat> yes
[19:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess someone could document what it does and then somebody else can implement it.
[19:55] <tinhat> lot of hassle though
[19:55] <Stskeeps> ShiftPlusOne: got a quote on that it's closed, btw?
[19:55] <Stskeeps> URL, that is
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Stskeeps, yeah it's in the Broadcom thread, Eben's comment... hang on
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=36
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> The GPU interface is via a closed-source userland module, which communicates via a proprietary (but GPL'd) stream interface in the kernel to a RISC core on the GPU side. No AES coprocessor I'm afraid; wouldn't want RP to be a munition, would we?
[19:57] <Stskeeps> ah
[19:57] <Stskeeps> kernel module is open then
[19:57] <Stskeeps> by the way he says it
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> where did you get that from?
[19:57] <Stskeeps> "stream interface"
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> "closed-source userland module"
[19:57] <Stskeeps> yes, that's normal
[19:57] <Stskeeps> userland != kernel module
[19:57] <Stskeeps> userland means libGLESv2.so, libEGL.so
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> you sure?
[19:58] <Stskeeps> and those kind of things
[19:58] <Stskeeps> yes, i work in arm business :P
[19:58] <Stskeeps> they wouldn't say 'gpl'ed stream interface in the kernel' otherwise
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that part confused me
[19:58] <Stskeeps> that's good, sane setup
[19:58] <tinhat> oh
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne> so the kernel uses routines from the closed module?
[19:59] <Stskeeps> it means there is a kernel module that is open source, that provides interfaces for the closed module to use
[19:59] <Stskeeps> closed module = closed userland
[20:00] <Stskeeps> similar setup exists on beagleboard/SGX/mali etc
[20:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I am thinking you might be wrong though. normally a userland module is a module that's not compiled into the kernel, but loaded via modprobe... so it would be a closed .ko file as far as I know.
[20:02] <Stskeeps> nah, it wouldn't talk about 'gpl'ed stream interface in the kernel' :P
[20:02] <Stskeeps> userland is strictly outside kernel
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll accept your expert opinion for now then.
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> but why would he say 'module'?
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> meh, I'll drop it, lol.
[20:08] <Stskeeps> .so is technically considered a module ;)
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> we'll just see what wikipedia has to say about this >=/
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, it's a library!
[20:10] <Stskeeps> yet when used to add a plugin, it's a module..
[20:10] <Stskeeps> :P
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[20:10] * Stskeeps enjoys a good martini
[20:11] <ahven> my whiskey is not yet opened, if we are on the subject :)
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> is 4am too early to drink?
[20:13] <ahven> it is never too early :)
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I am half Russian, so I half agree with that.
[20:14] <tinhat> eh, its quarter past 7
[20:14] <tinhat> and pm at that
[20:14] <ahven> quarter past 8pm
[20:14] <ahven> sorry, nine
[20:14] <tinhat> never mind
[20:14] <tinhat> perfect for a drink
[20:23] <ahven> damn, Maker Faire seems like a very interesting event
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[20:24] <ahven> even Arduino is rolling out with an ARM cpu
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> orly?
[20:26] <ahven> "Arduino Due, a major breakthrough for Arduino because we???re launching an Arduino board with a 32bit Cortex-M3 ARM processor on it. We???re using the SAM3U processor from ATMEL running at 96MHz with 256Kb of Flash, 50Kb of Sram, 5 SPI buses, 2 I2C interfaces, 5 UARTS, 16 Analog Inputs at 12Bit resolution and much more."
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder if ARM will make PIC and AVR obsolete.
[20:30] <Thorn_> arm is obsolete, x86 is the only way forward.
[20:30] <Thorn_> and intel will make sure of that!
[20:30] <tinhat> take off every zig!
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> different markets. ARM is RISC, x86 is... whatever the opposite is.
[20:31] <tinhat> CISC
[20:31] <Thorn_> and intel will conquer both with x86 !
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ARM saves a lot of silicone and is therefore a lot cheaper. Intel can't compete with that
[20:33] <tinhat> Let's say Intel hasn't found an answer to it yet
[20:33] <tinhat> I'm not si sure if it'll stay that way forever
[20:33] <tinhat> given Intel's resources
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> well x86 requires a lot of silicone... perhaps they'll dominate the embedded market eventually, but it will not be with x86
[20:34] <tinhat> but they might want to reconsider their business modell
[20:34] <ahven> though can AVR compete with PIC and AVR power consumption yet?
[20:34] <tinhat> nobody said that
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> tinhat, nobody said what?
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, *ARM?
[20:35] <tinhat> eh the x86 thingy
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> tinhat, Thorn_ did
[20:35] <tinhat> ok nobody except thorn
[20:35] <ahven> ShiftPlusOne: yep, my bad, ARM :)
[20:35] <tinhat> sheesh
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> but I feel Thorn_ is just out to troll a little today
[20:36] <ahven> and my sentence was a question, not a statement :)
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, I am not sure how relevant power consumption is. It's normally the other peripherals which consume the most power. though you wouldn't really use ARM when you don't have other power hungry chips... so fair point
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> also, is ARM licensed or can you simply buy and use their processors as you wish?
[20:39] <ahven> for tiny projects AVR & PIC are going to stay for some time imho
[20:39] <ahven> hmm, good question
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, yeah, I'd agree
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> with AVR/PIC for tiny projects... not that it was a good question... that would just be arrogant.
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2101+202735&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=ARM&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> you can buy them, but they aren't cheap
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah... completely different markets again.
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Though last I heard the cheap microcontroller market isn't doing too well.
[20:45] <ahven> yep, there was a shortage of atmega328 in DIP forms
[20:46] <ahven> and they had to go for soldered SMD-s
[20:46] <tinhat> brb
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[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> welcome back
[20:54] <ahven> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/350
[20:54] <ahven> talking about ripping off :)
[20:54] <TinHat> ram was getting full
[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/08/man-buys-samsung-500gb-drive-gets-screwed-or-bolted-rather/
[20:55] <Thorn_> TinHat: if restarting your irc client is how you free ram, you need a new client :P
[20:55] <ahven> yep, remember that one :)
[20:56] <TinHat> actually I reboot the entire machine
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> windows? O_o
[20:56] <TinHat> should setup swap instead
[20:56] <TinHat> nah puppy linux
[20:56] <TinHat> on a PII
[20:56] <Thorn_> uhm
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> WW2 laptop?
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... got it
[20:56] <TinHat> lol yes
[20:57] <Thorn_> you should stop using that thing man, you'll depreciate its antique value
[20:57] <TinHat> compared to the amstrad it's still quite young
[20:57] <TinHat> like 1998 I think
[20:58] <ahven> my oldest working hardware is a ThinkPad T23, P3 @ 866
[20:58] <ahven> currently as my videoplayer
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> seems like most old laptops still in use today are ThinkPads
[20:59] <TinHat> my oldest is probably the acorn a4000
[20:59] <TinHat> not much use for anything lol
[20:59] <ahven> ShiftPlusOne: nothing else doesn't survive that long probably :)
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> seems like IBM used to make good laptops back in the day (compared to others at the time)
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> though now they (or Lenovo, rather) make crap like everyone else
[20:59] <TinHat> what are the dell latitude ones like?
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Though my Benq is serving me well so far. Not saying it's a good brand, it's actually not, but I got lucky with this one.
[21:00] <TinHat> I still have a aging Tosh but that'll need replacement soon
[21:01] <TinHat> quality machine though they used to be
[21:01] <ahven> the funny thing is that I have to manually blow the fan to start it from time to time, luckily it isn't generating much noise, yet :P
[21:02] <TinHat> hehe
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[21:02] <TinHat> hand cranked pc
[21:03] <ahven> I *hope* to replace it with a raspi
[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... that's interesting
[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> since you 'should' be able to replace your own parts on a raspi if something goes wrong
[21:04] <TinHat> is that realistic?
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> so they should last a while as well
[21:05] <datagutt> Im getting a raspi so i can run my bot on it:p
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I hope they use good capacitors, not cheap chinese ones.
[21:05] <ahven> atleast they are full caps
[21:05] <ahven> from the looks on the alpha board
[21:06] <TinHat> eh even cheap ones will last like what 10 yrs, not?
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> TinHat, not the modern ones
[21:06] <ahven> fluctuating power is one killer also
[21:07] <TinHat> ShiftPlusOne seriously?
[21:07] <TinHat> like they don't build em like they used to?
[21:07] <TinHat> what has the world come to?
[21:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, take a look at a Tandy model 100... now those are good caps in there
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[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prl6D7bqQo8 15:40
[21:10] <TinHat> farnell australia is now named element14?
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> TinHat, yeah, they like to change their name once in a while
[21:11] <TinHat> wasn't that the name acorn went under when they dropped computers and concentrated on the settop market?
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> shortly after they changed the name, the delivery guy said to me "delivery from farn...element... whatever the hell they call themselves nowadays..."
[21:12] <TinHat> lol
[21:12] <friggle> Stskeeps: pong
[21:12] <TinHat> my beagleboard came from farnell
[21:12] <TinHat> took them 8hrs to deliver
[21:12] <TinHat> I was impressed
[21:12] <TinHat> but ever since they've been spamming me
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> unsubscribe?
[21:13] <TinHat> can't be arsed!
[21:13] <TinHat> and you never know, there might be something interesting
[21:13] <TinHat> one day
[21:13] <TinHat> perhaps
[21:13] <TinHat> rats
[21:14] <Stskeeps> friggle: out of curiousity, how did you get the sd card image needed to boot your develoepr board?
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> D=
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> developer board!?
[21:14] <friggle> Stskeeps: already flashed to the SD card I had with it
[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, are you that blogger guy that managed to get one somehow or a developer (or both)?
[21:15] <Stskeeps> friggle: ah - and it's structured as a fat32 partition first, then rootfs etc?
[21:15] <Stskeeps> friggle: working on armv6 dist for it o
[21:15] <Stskeeps> so
[21:15] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: I'm a PhD student and my supervisor is involved in the project, so have access to a board through that connection
[21:16] <friggle> Stskeeps: oh interesting. What are you using?
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[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, sweet, 'grats... you're making 100s of people jealous, lol.
[21:16] <ReggieUK> oh? how so?
[21:16] <friggle> Stskeeps: current image is Debian based (armel). Which as I understand it is armv5+ and soft floating point (as not all armv5/v6 processors have hardware floating point)
[21:16] <Stskeeps> friggle: meego-deriative, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEKIXVeBGY is on another armv6 base
[21:16] <ReggieUK> pi shipping for less than $10?
[21:17] <friggle> Stskeeps: first partition fat32, second partition ext3, third is swap
[21:17] <Stskeeps> alright
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, yeah
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> even to Australia
[21:17] <Stskeeps> so there's the gpu firmware on fat32 and kernel in (b)zImage format?
[21:17] <Stskeeps> or just uboot
[21:18] <ReggieUK> awww, I thought I was going to get free stuff for just being me (awesome)
[21:18] <friggle> Stskeeps: do they have a nice system for building packages? or are you reusing existing binaries or what?
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[21:19] <Stskeeps> friggle: http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase:armv6l
[21:20] <Stskeeps> rolled my own port so :P
[21:22] <Stskeeps> but yeah, the building packages part is quite nice/easy
[21:22] <friggle> Stskeeps: kernel is on the FAT32 partition, as is the GPU firmware
[21:23] <friggle> e.g. /boot on the ext partition is empty
[21:23] <Stskeeps> :nod:
[21:23] <Stskeeps> debian armvel is armv4t, btw
[21:23] <Stskeeps> armel, that is
[21:23] <ReggieUK> that bootloader on the gpu kerfuffle has really got me thinking
[21:24] <ReggieUK> like why?
[21:24] <Stskeeps> ReggieUK: "because we can"?
[21:24] <Stskeeps> i think it's related to the stream protection features of the videocore
[21:24] <mdavey> I think it is for two reasons
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I bet it's three
[21:24] <ReggieUK> yeah, after all those millions of dollars and chip revisions 'because we can' doesn't cut it really :D
[21:24] <mdavey> firstly, the ARM was an afterthought
[21:25] <mdavey> secondly, having the GPU boot first makes it easier to provide early visual indication that the product is working
[21:25] <ReggieUK> ok, first reason (mdavey) makes perfect sense
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> three, "because we can"
[21:26] <friggle> Stskeeps: so it is. Do you have any first hand experiences with armv6 vs generic armv4t+ code performance?
[21:26] <ReggieUK> but not keen on your 2nd one though, that assumes that there is a screen connected and on at boot time
[21:26] <Stskeeps> friggle: armv6+vfp makes a world of difference
[21:26] <friggle> Stskeeps: shame we miss the boat on the new armhf ports that are appearing. armv7+ only
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, isn't that a safe assumption for the purpose of the device?
[21:26] <Stskeeps> friggle: i've at one point done a armv6 armhf port
[21:26] <ReggieUK> not really
[21:26] <friggle> Stskeeps: on certain use cases I can see, but across the board and noticeable in general usage?
[21:27] <Stskeeps> it's not difficult but you can't combine thumb and armhf on armv6 for some reason, unsupported in gcc
[21:27] <ReggieUK> yes for teh videocore device but not for a videocore device + arm11 chip
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> surely you'd want some sort of splash screen going which could alert you if the kernel is not found or gpu firmware is invalid
[21:27] <friggle> Stskeeps: yeah, armhf is very doable on armv6. It's just it's *really* handy having something like Debian with every package under the sun already pre-built :)
[21:27] <mdavey> the whole purpose of the device is video for mobile. Assuming there is a screen connected would normally be a pretty safe bet.
[21:27] <ReggieUK> or an indicator light, or some console output or .....
[21:28] <Stskeeps> friggle: admittedly, but sometimes you just want to have a device to help teaching computing and understand how it's put together with easy
[21:28] <Stskeeps> ease
[21:28] <ReggieUK> I'm not knocking anything that they're doing, just curious about the decisions made to get to the point that they're at right now
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[21:29] <Stskeeps> friggle: shame ubuntu went away from armv6+vfp :P
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there are a lot of those decisions
[21:29] <TinHat> well makes sense for them (ubuntu)
[21:29] <friggle> Stskeeps: agreed. Different communities will have different requirements. Some will be happier with a full distro, for others it's better to have the few packages you need custom-built
[21:29] <mdavey> it means that videocore chips without arm and those with arm start up in the same way
[21:29] <Stskeeps> yep
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> mdavey, how much do you know about the userspace module for the GPU?
[21:30] <Stskeeps> friggle: my (personal) goal is to get my meego deriative on r-pi in order to have a simple distro for running html5/qml/js and easy for anyone to make something out of the device
[21:30] <Stskeeps> with accelered gles2
[21:30] <Stskeeps> and obviously, wayland ;)
[21:30] <mdavey> ShiftPlusOne: not much - only what I've read on the forum
[21:30] <Stskeeps> so it's trivial to take a r-pi, slap a qml or html5 interface on top, some backend code, and you have a household item
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, thanks.
[21:30] <ReggieUK> sure but it being tied to fat32 via SD/mmc is incredibly restrictive if something dies onboard (like the eMMC controller/nand or sd socket
[21:31] <ReggieUK> )
[21:31] <mdavey> Stskeeps pls can you PM me on the forum
[21:31] <Stskeeps> me or ShiftPlusOne? :P
[21:31] <mdavey> yoy
[21:31] <mdavey> *you
[21:31] <Stskeeps> i guess i should register
[21:31] <friggle> ReggieUK: that seriously bothers you?
[21:31] <ReggieUK> it bothers me a little :)
[21:32] <ReggieUK> in a phone you accept that it might be restricted in some way
[21:32] <friggle> I'd imagine there's a lot less that can go wrong in a raspi vs most other linux-capable devices
[21:32] <ahven> my bothering thing is the date - it is not november yet :P
[21:33] <ReggieUK> and because the pi is a dev device, then you might reasonably expect to kill one
[21:33] <Stskeeps> mdavey: not getting any hits on 'mdavey' username there
[21:33] <mdavey> Michael
[21:33] <ReggieUK> a bunch of hardware hackers I know have this ethos (when they can afford it), buy 3 devices, one to break/strip one to do all the dev work on and the 3rd to keep for best
[21:34] <Stskeeps> mdavey: done
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[21:35] <friggle> they did mention on the forums they're paying more than the bare minimum for connectors and making sure they have things like ESD protection. Which is very sensible
[21:35] <Stskeeps> mdavey: hey, we've already been in mail contact :)
[21:36] <friggle> Stskeeps: have you much experience with scratchbox2?
[21:37] <Stskeeps> friggle: i've met people who has developed it and i've gone through severe amounts of therapy for scratchbox1
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Thanks to ukscone's tutorial sb2 was pretty easy to set up and use
[21:38] <Stskeeps> friggle: in meego we use something that's kinda like scratchbox on steroids - we build a chroot, emulate with qemu-arm, but drop in binaries replacing the compilers, tools, etc with x86 variants
[21:38] <friggle> Stskeeps: do you hear good thinks about sb2? I set it up earlier today and it looks rather neat...as long as it keeps working as promised ;)
[21:38] <friggle> Stskeeps: huh, I thought scratchbox2 was maemo/meego?
[21:38] <Stskeeps> scratchbox2 was supposed to go for maemo and become replacement for scratchbox1 but those plans were scrapped
[21:39] <TinHat> scrapbox then?
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> badoom-tsh
[21:39] <Stskeeps> meego (the nokia n9 version) uses scratchbox1 for platform SDK and MADDE (a cross compiling toolkit) for applications (qt and other stuff not requiring autoconf)
[21:39] <friggle> Stskeeps: can you link me to information about what you currently use? honestly it sounds a lot like what sb2 is doing
[21:40] <Stskeeps> friggle: well, the URL i gave above is part of the puzzle
[21:40] <Stskeeps> ie, http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase:armv6l
[21:40] <Stskeeps> it also comes with a python client for local builds
[21:40] <Stskeeps> (try to click 'succeeded' on some of those)
[21:40] <friggle> Stskeeps: Opensuse Build service - I'm more interested in interactive work
[21:40] <Stskeeps> friggle: yep - and you can do that within the chroot to
[21:40] <Stskeeps> o
[21:41] <Stskeeps> in practice, you can't emulate all arm in userland :)
[21:41] <Stskeeps> er, binary emulation
[21:41] <Stskeeps> mdavey: understood re message - at least we have something to try and boot now :)
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[22:09] <ahven> damn, whiskey tastes a bit too good today :P
[22:09] <TinHat> lol
[22:09] <TinHat> what are you having
[22:11] * gomiboy got drunk with whiskey once... never touched again
[22:12] <ahven> canadian special old
[22:12] <TinHat> sounds nice
[22:13] <TinHat> could crack open the Arran but nah, not today
[22:13] <ahven> it is the best imho from the lower class
[22:14] <ahven> Jim Beam is interesting but I prefer this over Jim
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[22:14] * TinHat not much of a bourbon type
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[22:18] <pugvader> b
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> a?
[22:19] <TinHat> z
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> TinHat, grow up >=/
[22:21] <TinHat> hehe
[22:21] <TinHat> never!
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... brain is not functioning properly... probably sleep time. 'night
[22:24] <TinHat> nite
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[22:40] <TinHat> !w HU12DQ
[22:40] <PiBot> TinHat: in hu12dq on 2011-09-17 19:50:00 +0000 temperature 52??F 11??C, condition Cloudy, Humidity: 88%.
[22:40] <TinHat> eek no wonder I'm cold
[22:44] <ReggieUK> no jumper?
[22:44] <ReggieUK> or is it hoofing it down in hull?
[22:44] <TinHat> just put one on
[22:45] <TinHat> closing the window helps too
[22:45] <ReggieUK> yeah, I found that was useful earlier
[22:46] <TinHat> ah that's better
[22:46] <ReggieUK> now my PC has been on for an hour and a half it's a bit warmer in here
[22:46] <TinHat> I'm not prepared for hot water bottles just yet
[22:46] <ReggieUK> ooooh good call :)
[22:49] <TinHat> the pc fan's always on bet it won't even reach operating temp
[22:49] <TinHat> damn linux
[22:49] <TinHat> damn proprietary drivers
[22:55] <WASD_> ATIs are hopeless
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[23:35] <royh> hi guys and gals :)
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