#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-18

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[0:35] <ahven> and good night to you too royh :)
[0:52] <TinHat> ooh getting sleepy
[0:52] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[0:52] <TinHat> nite
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[2:29] <ukscone> eevening sll
[2:30] <ukscone> the alphaboard is sweet
[4:04] <DaQatz> >.>
[4:05] <DaQatz> Did they catch you making off with it?
[4:06] <ukscone> i did distract them by dropping my cane but i thought better of it
[4:07] <ukscone> later on when eben was giving his talk they left me in charge of one of the alphaboards but they frisked me when they got back and zero boards on the table when there was one on there 30 minutes ago would have been kinda obvious
[4:07] <ukscone> DaQatz: but in real life it really is a nice bit of kit
[4:07] * DaQatz snaps his fingers.
[4:07] <DaQatz> Good
[4:07] <DaQatz> Will be great to see the release boards
[4:08] <ukscone> unfortunatly the first few hours there was no monitor availble
[4:08] <ukscone> but when it finally arrived the demos are great
[4:09] * DaQatz nods
[4:09] <ukscone> i think liz was regreating not packing her 57" tv for the flight over for a cpu[le of hours
[4:09] <DaQatz> Oi
[4:10] <ukscone> if i knew that area of queens i'd have run up to a discount store because alot round here sell old analog 9" tv's for about 5 bucks
[4:10] <ukscone> apart fromt hat problem though it was a pretty good day
[4:11] <ukscone> didn't rain although it threatened to for the whole afternoon and not too hot and not too cold but food and drink was expensive and the coffee sucked
[4:11] <ukscone> a burger, a hot dog , 2 soda's and 2 orders of fried was $19
[4:11] <ukscone> water was $3/bottle and it was the 12oz bottle
[4:16] <DaQatz> sounds about right
[4:25] <ukscone> yeah i just hate paying that much and i was in a bit of a tiizy today as wife is ill and had to mke sure she had everything she needed for the day so forgot to amek sandwichs and drinks to take with us
[4:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, did it feel like a proper desktop or more of an embedded thing?
[4:27] <ukscone> proper desktop
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> excellent
[4:28] <ukscone> it was mostly running the quake and video demos but the desktop looked and felt great
[4:28] <ukscone> pretty quick boot time too
[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> did they fix the quake slowness?
[4:29] <ukscone> even withthe pause while it tried to get an ip via dhcp which fialed because no network) it was probably 35 to 40 seconds give ot take definatly < 1m
[4:29] <ukscone> still afew slow downs in places but not as many by the looks of it
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, thanks
[4:30] <ukscone> all in all though i'd give it a 8 out of 10 as it stands and it can only get better
[4:31] <ukscone> liz filmed all of eben's talk which wqs very good, she'll post next week i guess and others video'd and said they'd post to youtube so keep your eyes open looking for them
[4:31] <ukscone> should be about 3 or 4 vids on youtube within a day or so
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> excellent
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> did they gather much of a crowd around their stall?
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[4:32] <ukscone> pretty steady all day even without the monitor and standing room only at eben's talk (almost)
[4:33] <ukscone> there were a couple of free seats but 10 ppl standing by the table
[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[4:34] <ukscone> all in all i think a good day for them. everyone seemed to get it and quite a few interested target audience (kids) spent quite a while there
[4:35] <ukscone> although 50% of the ppl who came did ask if it could run minecraft -- aaarrrggghhhhh :)
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> haha
[4:35] <atts> ukscone was the rpi booth setup all day? or just right before the talk
[4:35] <ukscone> and about 15% ask if it could run java?
[4:36] <ukscone> because then it could run minecraft --- eeeekkkkkk aaaarrrrgggggg
[4:36] <atts> i was searching for it most of the day but only found the table right before eben started talking
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> how was the rest of maker faire?
[4:36] <atts> lot of 3D printers
[4:36] <ukscone> atts: all day although i was 1st person in (1st in line to get in with a ticket) and had to walk around until about 11:15 before i found them
[4:36] <ukscone> although i had been there twice
[4:37] <ukscone> zillions of 3d printers
[4:37] <ukscone> a whole pavilion of them plus about 30 outside too
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> well... that concludes this round of questioning... thanks
[4:37] <ukscone> some good parts and some ok parts and some parts full of fauxhemian yuppie scum
[4:38] <vexorg> heh fauxhemian, nice
[4:38] <ukscone> my kid likes the coke and mentos guys, the lufe size game of mouse trap and a fire breatong dragona nd we went round the hall of sciece to -- goig to go back to that
[4:39] <ukscone> got some nice freebies and some stuff i want to buy now ive seem it
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[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yay... my tutorials are actually being used =)
[5:06] <ukscone> yup
[5:07] <ukscone> i've given a few ppl the url's and they used them
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I feel it's a bit useless unless people want to create a rootfs customized for the cpu since most of the rootfs images use a very generic cpu... you could just use the distro's qemu package and the kernel provided by the embedded distro and it would work the same =/
[5:43] <Endeavour> ukscone: Did you go to the show?
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Endeavour, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=540.0
[5:49] <Endeavour> They had a booth?
[5:49] <Endeavour> I couldn't find it.
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, someone else here had trouble finding it as well... must've been tucked away somewhere or something
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> <atts> i was searching for it most of the day but only found the table right before eben started talking
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> <ukscone> atts: all day although i was 1st person in (1st in line to get in with a ticket) and had to walk around until about 11:15 before i found them
[5:50] <Endeavour> That stinks
[6:12] <pugvader> TSA has implemented pat-down searches at a high-school dance
[6:13] <ShiftPlusOne> lies
[6:16] <pugvader> insane
[6:17] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2116447.shtml
[6:17] <ShiftPlusOne> where did 'TSA' come from?
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> To answer my own question... http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2122102.shtml?cat=504
[6:22] <pugvader> an evil russian named Chertoff ShiftPlusOne
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Excuse me, Chertoff is not Russian.
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[6:26] <pugvader> Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, New Jersey to Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff (1915???1996), the former leader of the Congregation B'nai Israel in Elizabeth and Talmud scholar, and Livia Chertoff (n??e Eisen), El Al flight attendant.
[6:26] <pugvader> His paternal grandfather, Rabbi Paul Chertoff (emigrated with his parents from czarist Russia, present day Belarus) was a noted Talmud scholar.
[6:26] <pugvader> tsk
[6:27] <pugvader> silly goy
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, I know where you're going with that
[6:29] <pugvader> good, then you know there are people who are awakened
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I understand, but I don't particularly subscribe to that view.
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, there is a disproportionate Zionist representation in our Governments, but that's mostly due to the work of AIPAC, not any sort of global conspiracy.
[6:33] <pugvader> oh well
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> but I'll throw this out there 'cause it's interesting.... 'Chert', in Russian, means devil and 'off'/'ov' is a suffix meaning 'belonging to', so Chertoff means pretty much 'son of the devil'. I am actually Russian, so I can confirm that. I have no idea how someone can end up with a last name like that.
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am off to work. 'night
[6:43] <pugvader> cheers ShiftPlusOne
[7:00] <ukscone> Endeavour: i kept asking people who came up if they were Endeavour :)
[7:00] <ukscone> they were given a table in a corner of the make:live tent
[7:01] <ukscone> where eben gave his talk
[7:01] <ukscone> they didn't get an hdmi monitor till noonish if not slightly past
[7:02] <Endeavour> ukscone: lol, creeper. ;)
[7:02] <ukscone> it took me 3 visits to th information booth and then another 2 walk arounds though to find them
[7:02] <Endeavour> They going to be there tomorrow?
[7:02] <ukscone> they were behind the arduino tent and next to the radioshack tent
[7:03] <ukscone> nope unfortunatly not they are off to arizona tomorrow
[7:03] <Endeavour> Hm
[7:03] <Endeavour> That's too bad.
[7:04] <ukscone> you'd have missed them in person but several people made videos they are going to put on youtube and liz made a vid of ebven's talk and the q&a after
[7:04] <ukscone> but i can confirm the board is good
[7:05] <ukscone> they only had two with them so i thought they might miss one so didn't accidently put one in my pocket
[7:07] <Endeavour> Heh
[7:08] <Endeavour> I've got to go chat with some folks there tomorrow
[7:08] <Endeavour> Looking forward to getting out of NYC though.
[7:10] <ukscone> if they wife didn't have plans for us to do tomorrow as a family and i hadn't given away my extra ticket i might have gone back to get more stuff i was going to do someof the classes but i ended up spending most of my time talking to ppl in 3 booths
[7:10] <ukscone> and i'd have tried to get some more freebies :)
[7:11] <ukscone> kid enjoyed some of the things in the main stage and the fire breathing dragon thing was kind of cool
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[7:22] <pugvader> what kinds of applications are you planning to use raspberrypi for ?
[7:23] <Txyru`> porno.
[7:23] <Txyru`> ascii porno to serial
[7:34] <pugvader> Txyru`: i think i can conclude you're not a developer or project member.
[7:34] <Txyru`> Im just a guy who wants to buy a few when they are released.
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[9:49] <ahven> morning
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[11:11] <TinHat> morning
[11:11] <ReggieUK> hi tinhat, are you warm enough today?
[11:12] <TinHat> !w HU12DQ
[11:12] <PiBot> TinHat: in hu12dq on 2011-09-18 08:20:00 +0000 temperature 54??F 12??C, condition Clear, Humidity: 88%.
[11:12] <ReggieUK> jumper it is then?
[11:12] <TinHat> hmm that can't be right
[11:12] <TinHat> it says 19 centigrade on my weatherstation
[11:13] <ReggieUK> perhaps your weather station is in it's own micro-climate?
[11:13] <TinHat> ok more like 15 or so but still
[11:13] <TinHat> better leave that jumper on then
[11:13] <TinHat> you never know
[11:14] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't take randomly placed google sensors as gospel over weather conditions
[11:14] <ReggieUK> same with the met office
[11:14] <TinHat> you mean I should mistrust google?
[11:15] <TinHat> more convenient to use than my "sager weathercaster" though
[11:18] <ReggieUK> I mean you shouldn't trust google to be correct for your location unless the google sensor is at your location
[11:19] <TinHat> sounds like a sensory dilemma then
[11:20] <TinHat> propositions derived from sensory experience have, at most, a degree of probability; they are not certain.
[11:21] <TinHat> Plato, the man!
[11:25] <ReggieUK> :)
[11:38] <ReggieUK> it's mostly a question of where the sensor is compared to you, if for instance the sensor is close to the sea and you're a couple of miles inland, i a valley, etc. then there is going to be a difference in temperature at least
[11:39] <ReggieUK> your sensor should in theory be a bit warmer
[11:39] <TinHat> well mine's in the sun so not scientifically correct I reckon
[11:40] <TinHat> and it cost 5 quid!
[11:40] <ReggieUK> don't see why not
[11:40] <TinHat> they should be in a open-to-the air shed like structure, painted white
[11:41] <TinHat> exposing them to direct sunlight doesn't give correct readings
[11:41] <ReggieUK> I guess?
[11:42] <TinHat> says so somewhere on the internet!(citation needed)
[11:42] <ReggieUK> ha
[11:42] <ReggieUK> I would say where it's positioned would vary temperatures too
[11:43] <TinHat> obviously
[11:43] <ReggieUK> like on the floor vs a few of feet in the air
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[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> did I miss anything interesting?
[12:36] <TinHat> just some pr0n
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> dammit
[12:43] <ReggieUK> there's a your mom joke in there somewhere.....
[12:43] <TinHat> :)
[12:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I think ukscone and ReggieUK have like a Benjamin Button thing going, but they just get more and more immature with age.
[12:46] <ReggieUK> what do they say about assumptions?
[12:46] <ReggieUK> you assume that I was ever mature
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> You assume that I assume that. I didn't define the initial conditions.
[12:48] <ReggieUK> but they just get more and more immature with age. <--- which implies a level of maturity to get more immature with
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> no, in the time I've known you, you've grown more immature... simple observation.... no implications that you were mature. If something becomes less something that doesn't mean it was the opposite of that something before.
[12:52] <ReggieUK> as long as I'm living up to your expectations, I'm happy (and immature)
[12:54] <TinHat> Psychiatrist Joel Gold suggests that careful use of "ARISE" (Adaptive Regression in the service of the Ego) can sometimes yield creative benefits. To the extent that one is handling thoughts and impulses less like an adult, ARISE involves play, appreciation and primitive pleasures, and imagination
[12:55] <TinHat> fine with me!
[12:56] <TinHat> I'd like some cookies now
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> You need to be a psychiatrist for that? seems like most modern psychiatry just comes from the Pali Canon
[12:57] <TinHat> my Ladybird books totally out-psych your Pail stuff
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[13:02] <mdavey> http://avaxsearch.com/?q=psychiatry%20for%20dummies
[13:04] <TinHat> this one sounds interesting:
[13:04] <TinHat> "Integrated Water Resources Management in Practice: Better Water Management for Development"
[13:04] <TinHat> in the end it comes down to "don't wee where you drink"
[13:05] <mdavey> I also like this one: http://www.effingsuite.com/effingthoughts/effingthought-1-15-10
[13:06] <TinHat> Yay!
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, how are you with sb2?
[13:19] <ReggieUK> not tried it yet
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok.... struggling without any real documentation
[13:42] <ReggieUK> bbiab, need rusks
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[14:05] <ukscone> morning ll
[14:06] <TinHat> hi
[14:07] <mdavey> hello
[14:08] <ukscone> morning mdavey -- saw the real thing yesterday it's really nice
[14:09] <ukscone> and saw a video of the non-raspberrypi cat :)
[14:10] <mdavey> the non-raspberrypi cat?
[14:10] <ukscone> raffles
[14:11] <ReggieUK> like a thief in the night?
[14:11] <ReggieUK> did it steal jewels?
[14:11] <mdavey> heard you got paid in twiglets for entertaining the troops
[14:11] <ukscone> yup precious twiglets. mine all mine my preciousssssssseeeeeeeeeeiiiiiissssssssss
[14:12] <ReggieUK> apart from the packet I just bought....
[14:12] <mdavey> ah not macavity the mystery cat then?
[14:13] <ukscone> pity they had to wait so long for an hdmi monitor.
[14:13] <ukscone> the reception seemed very positive even when all they could show people was the board
[14:14] <ukscone> the only downside of the day was that coffee was $3 for a cup of warm dishwater
[14:14] <mdavey> :(
[14:14] <ukscone> i had to come home and mainline caffine
[14:15] <mdavey> understandable
[14:15] <ukscone> all in all though it was a pretty good day
[14:16] <mdavey> anything else interesting there?
[14:16] <ukscone> and my luddite son even enjoyed himself
[14:17] <ukscone> well my son did a class on lock picking and watched a couple of the displays (coke&mentos), lifee size game of mouse trap
[14:17] <ukscone> lots of 3d printers maybe 40 or 50 of them
[14:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, proffesional 3d printers or reprap type?
[14:18] <ukscone> i was there to see cybercortex av. some new arm based arduino's announced
[14:18] <ukscone> a couple of professional ones but mostly reprap, makerbot things
[14:18] <ReggieUK> 2 bob then?
[14:18] <ukscone> the laser printer people were there too
[14:18] <ukscone> 3d printers 600 bucks to 7000
[14:19] <ukscone> the nicest laser cutter was 7500
[14:19] <ukscone> and i picked up some wiznet and parallax freebies
[14:21] <ukscone> http://www.wiznettechnology.com/Sub_Modules/en/product/Product_Detail.asp?cate1=&cate2=&cate3=&pid=1161#tab
[14:21] <ukscone> http://www.parallaxsemiconductor.com/quickstart
[14:22] <ukscone> it was nice to see so many kids there making things too whether it was artsy fartsy stuff in th craft area or tiny robots or watches or flashlights in the electronics area
[14:23] <ukscone> mdavey: were your ears burning?
[14:24] <ukscone> yours and james's praises were sung
[14:24] <mdavey> ukscone: nope ;)
[14:24] <mdavey> ah, good to hear.
[14:24] <mdavey> I am actually really excited by this community - so many good people doing great things.
[14:25] <ukscone> yes liz also said good things baout the people on the forum and how interested they were in the plans people have for the raspi
[14:26] <mdavey> first project graduated this weekend: we now have a virtualbox vm with sb2 thanks to your work and several others
[14:27] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne has his nice tutorials
[14:27] <mdavey> yes
[14:27] <ukscone> i don't know how much is public knwledge but eben and liz are quite pleased with xbmc progress
[14:28] <mdavey> several distros are quite advanced with getting things working ready for r.pi launch - some don't even have physical boards to run on yet.
[14:28] <ukscone> quite a few kids came up and asked intelligent questions and asked about it
[14:29] <ukscone> i'd imagine that any rquired kernel patches will be pushed mainline pretty quickly after release
[14:29] <ReggieUK> my dad used to prime me with questions to ask at exhibitions
[14:29] <ukscone> just need a "sponsor" on the kernel team to take responsibility
[14:29] <mdavey> there are at least two groups working on xbmc stuff. I've been trying to get them to pool their resources, but they are doing okay individually.
[14:31] <ukscone> one of the most interesting kids, well there were two -- was a kid i suspect has autism who came up after eben's talk and spent quite a while asking questions
[14:31] <ukscone> and there was a maybe 13 ear old girl who was realy interested especially as using it as a server for minecraft to replace the big box she already uses
[14:32] <ReggieUK> 13 earsm, I bet she's a good listener....
[14:32] <ukscone> there shoudl be some videos up on youyube soon quite a few ppl made then and said they'd post them
[14:32] <ukscone> where did i put my cold wet trout to thwap ReggieUK with
[14:33] <ReggieUK> joking aside, sounds like you had a good time, productive and entertaining
[14:34] <ukscone> yes, much better than i thought. the actual museum is interesting too -- the kid (young adult he's 22ish) decided we shoudl go back to it properly
[14:35] <ukscone> of course today we have to go out again as it's the wife's turn to decide what we do
[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh.... http://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=linux_31_logo_lrg
[14:35] <ukscone> so either the great irish fair or the brroklyn book festival
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> don't see anything up about the raspberry pi yet though
[14:40] <ukscone> mdavey: the history of the raspi was/is interesting
[14:40] <mdavey> yes
[14:41] <ukscone> the fact it was going to be a thing that just ran python until they said hang on sec we can have an arm processor and just run linux
[14:43] <mdavey> oh, I didn't hear that bit. Eben was explaining to me the story behind how the SoC got the ARM processor on it in the first place.
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> the arc attack thing looks pretty cool (watching it playt he doctor who theme)
[14:44] <ukscone> yep
[14:44] <ukscone> your favourite tv programme
[14:45] <ukscone> i wonder if they have got on their plane to arizona yet?
[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> must've had a nice ozone smell there
[14:45] <ukscone> poor liz was kackered towards the end and eben wanted to go out for bbq when they finished
[14:46] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[14:50] <ukscone> *yawns* the kitchen is too far (my right foot is covered in blisters -- did so much walking yesterday) to walk anyone fancy doing a dunkin donuts delivery for me
[14:51] <ukscone> shouldn't take you long. mdavey could be here in about 10 hours and ShiftPlusOne could be here by tomorrow and the coffee shoudl still be drinkable if i microwave it
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[14:57] <ukscone> morning Endeavour
[14:57] <Endeavour> Gasp
[14:58] <ukscone> Endeavour: ?
[14:58] <ukscone> someone goose you or something?
[14:59] <Endeavour> Nope
[14:59] <ukscone> just wondered why'd you gasped
[15:00] <ukscone> though some had put an ice cude down your back or something
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[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> my Internet is being slow. >=/
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, fix it
[15:06] <ukscone> i can't get mine to work properly so i don't know what you expect me to do with yours other than spend 30 minutes berating it
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, it's working fine now
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> thank you
[15:11] <ukscone> if yelling at it doesn't work next time just give it a kick
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[15:11] <TinHat> bbl
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[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> probably needs to restart his IRC client before his computer crashes
[15:17] <ReggieUK> bbl
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[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> time to download windows 8 and give it a go I guess
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[17:13] <ReggieUK> anyone know anything about the midon broswer jamesh was talking about on the top post of twitter stuff on the front page of the pi site?
[17:16] <ukscone> it's a webkit bsed browser afaik and lighter than things like opera, ff, chrome..... almost as light as things like owb, graphical links2, netsurf.....
[17:17] <ReggieUK> is it midori?
[17:18] <ReggieUK> hood grief my eyes are bad
[17:18] <ReggieUK> it is midori
[17:18] <ReggieUK> and thanks :)
[17:19] <ukscone> yup
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[17:34] <markit> btw, is it a bad idea (and expensive) just provide a RAM expansion slot, so I can install 4GB ram and use as a desktop pc?
[17:34] <markit> or the cpu is really really unpowerful? I don't have an idea about ARM/Atom/i3...
[17:36] <ReggieUK> for what? the raspberry pi?
[17:37] <ReggieUK> the ram onboard is via a PoP, so expansion isn't possible, at least that's the impression I got from asking the question on the forum
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[17:40] <ukscone> ReggieUK: port windows vista to it and use readyboost :)
[17:40] <ukscone> i'll go sit in the stoopid people corner now :)
[17:41] <ShiftPlusOne> get your own corner! >=/
[17:42] <ukscone> yep i have several corners now
[17:42] <ukscone> the dunce's corner, the naughty corner
[17:42] <ukscone> better be careful unless we make the room hexagonal i'll only have two corners left to be sent too
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[17:43] <ukscone> i thought your corner was the sheep pen corner :)
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> >=\
[17:45] <DaQatz> <ShiftPlusOne> well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/ <-- I need to add that welcome plugin o the bot
[17:46] <ukscone> :)
[17:46] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[17:46] <DaQatz> It's not complete, but it does work...
[17:46] <ukscone> DaQatz: nice :) it was always fun in the jabber.org jdev muc
[17:47] <ukscone> we had some good ones
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[17:48] <ReggieUK> my corner is obviously the immature corner
[17:48] <ReggieUK> although there are 2 seats, so I guess the other is yours ukscone
[17:49] <DaQatz> !welcome_add ShiftPlusOne well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[17:49] <DaQatz> !welcome_list ShiftPlusOne
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see it
[17:51] <DaQatz> ShiftPlusOne, it uses PM's
[17:51] <DaQatz> WHen you do lists
[17:51] <DaQatz> etc
[17:51] <DaQatz> If you part and rejoin it will show
[17:52] <markit> ReggieUK: I've seen is soldered, and I undestand that a cheap PC can't have 4GB on board, but having a slot (is the board big enough?) will be cheap and open a lot of possibilities
[17:52] <DaQatz> Or use !welcome_list
[17:52] <mdavey> sigh
[17:52] <markit> but maybe it's slow like hell, less than atom 1.6ghz
[17:53] <ReggieUK> markit, well, you can flog a dead horse and ask them on the forum if they'll do it for you but I don't think it will happen this side of hell freezing over
[17:53] <markit> :)
[17:54] <ReggieUK> it's not a question of whether the board is big enough, it's 'is there the facility to add more ram to the SoC?'
[17:54] <mdavey> Never.Gonna.Happen
[17:54] <ReggieUK> and the answer to that is really no
[17:54] <mdavey> really really no
[17:54] <ReggieUK> :D
[17:55] <ReggieUK> correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, the only way to get more ram onto the pi chip would be to desolder the existing ram pop and resolder a new one
[17:55] <ReggieUK> good luck with that
[17:55] <atts> !welcome_list
[17:55] <mdavey> you can't add additional RAM when using the PoP interface. All you can do is fit a bigger PoP chip - and doing that as a rework job is something even some of the larger factories don't have the facilities for.
[17:56] <DaQatz> atts, needs a person atm
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[17:56] <atts> !welcome_list DaQatz
[17:56] <DaQatz> The plugin is only half written.
[17:56] <mdavey> The CPU has to be placed very precisely and has to be heated very pecisely to make sure that all the balls make good electrical contact.
[17:56] <atts> DaQatz has 0 welcomes. how sad
[17:56] <ReggieUK> indeed, that's pretty much what I said wasn't it (apart from the factory stuff)
[17:56] <mdavey> ReggieUK: yup :D
[17:57] <ReggieUK> phew :)
[17:57] <DaQatz> Only welcome is on ShiftPlusOne atm.
[17:57] * ShiftPlusOne facepalms
[17:57] <atts> !welcome_list ShiftPlusOne
[17:58] <ReggieUK> I did ask quite extensively about this on the forums, I know a few people that might be tempted to have a go at doing something like that but it's not something I'd have a go at myself
[17:58] <mdavey> Does that mean we're not welcome?
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> it means DaQatz' failbot isn't quite there yet
[17:59] <DaQatz> The welcome plugin has been active less then 10 minutes.
[17:59] <DaQatz> You expect many welcomes?
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> no, but I expect good ol' Celsius, not Fahrenheit.
[18:01] <atts> !w forecast 02451
[18:01] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on 2011-09-18 14:56:00 +0000 temperature 61??F 16??C, condition Clear, Humidity: 64%.
[18:01] <PiBot> Mon: High 65??F Low 49??F :Condition Clear
[18:01] <PiBot> Tue: High 70??F Low 54??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[18:01] <PiBot> Wed: High 76??F Low 61??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:01] <PiBot> Sun: High 65??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:01] <WASD_> any videos from yesterdays event?
[18:01] <DaQatz> Atm tell that to google.
[18:01] <DaQatz> Since F is what they give me.
[18:02] <DaQatz> Though I can convert
[18:02] <atts> WASD_ i think i saw liz recording the raspberry pi talk, so maybe it will be posted later
[18:03] <WASD_> ok
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> WASD_, nothing on youtube last time I checked, but there were a few people recording.... or so is the word on the street.
[18:03] <ukscone> mdavey: yesterday a kid (ok probably 15 to 7) did say it'd be easy to remove the POP ram and processor and swap it out when a new soc was available ina few years -- Eben just stared at him for a few seconds
[18:04] <ukscone> s/15 - 7/ 15 - 17
[18:04] <ukscone> and then almost choked on his drink
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> and punched him in the face?
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, not quite.
[18:04] <ukscone> there was one thing bad with makerfaire
[18:05] <ukscone> no bar -- it was a dry event.
[18:05] <ukscone> eben, liz and i could have murdered a pint even if it was american beer
[18:05] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing a microwave can't fix
[18:06] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not even boiling dry in a microwave can fix budweiser
[18:06] <ukscone> i know next year to pack a 6 pack of neewcastle brown
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[18:06] <mdavey> Well it can be done. There are a few places in Cambridge that could do that, but you'd need both a replacement CPU and a replacement PoP device. And it won't be cheap. So I guess for the hobbyist that has to have the most hacked out device no-one else has. But for the average joe, its just the waiting game.
[18:07] <ukscone> the kid said a few minutes with a hairdryer :)
[18:07] <mdavey> sign
[18:07] <ukscone> to remove it and that lining up the balls would be easy
[18:07] <ukscone> i went to have another look around and leave liz and eben too it
[18:08] <ukscone> decided that laughing at the kid wasn't polite and beating him around the head with a clue by four might not be a good idea as there were security guards and police around
[18:10] <ReggieUK> I probably would've laughed
[18:10] <ReggieUK> did anyone ask him if he could fix their rrod 360?
[18:11] <ukscone> nah :)
[18:11] <mdavey> IIRC, there is 0.65mm between the balls, so that's the kind of precision you need. And I would guess no more than 0.5 degrees rotation of the device. Tha't ignoring the requirement to heat up the device evenly to just the right temperature.
[18:11] <mdavey> :)
[18:11] <ukscone> too busy answering questions will it run java, will it run minecraft
[18:12] <ReggieUK> I meant ask the kid who can lift a double bga with a hairdryer
[18:12] <ukscone> ReggieUK: i don't know what the ending of that conversation was. i got on line for a burger
[18:12] <ReggieUK> without blowing everything else off the board and evenly heating it
[18:13] <ukscone> i'm really disappointed with the raspi though.
[18:13] <ukscone> it runs too cool
[18:13] <ReggieUK> I had a go at swapping out some nand on a leapfrog gamecart
[18:13] <ukscone> how can i heat my room in winter or keep my coffee warm
[18:13] <ReggieUK> those little resistors don't half fly
[18:13] <atts> ukscone did liz or eben give any more info about the release date, or is it still november/december?
[18:14] <ukscone> atts: liz says november, eben looks at her and says 4th quarter
[18:14] <ReggieUK> I think if there is any change in that date they'll let everyone know
[18:14] <ukscone> then liz says nocember again and eben looks at her with a paddington beear stare
[18:15] <ReggieUK> hope she took some marmalade sandwiches with her
[18:15] <ukscone> :)
[18:15] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40
[18:16] <ReggieUK> that kind of stare?
[18:16] <ukscone> that's the look exactly
[18:16] <ukscone> except for the sigh and the eye roll
[18:17] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMf40ORFE8&feature=related
[18:18] <ukscone> that's the look
[18:18] <mdavey> lol
[18:19] <ukscone> just add the audio "4th quarter" to it and you have it exactly
[18:26] <ReggieUK> :)
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[20:13] <ukscone> i can haz twiglets http://russelldavis.org/Stuff/twiglets-6packbag.jpg
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