#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-23

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:20] <_Ross> Apparently, there is no "raspberry" in PI - see for yourself! http://www.dr-mikes-maths.com/pisearch.html
[0:25] <Thorn_> doesn't pi go on forever? surely the ascii codes for 'raspberry' are in there somewhere
[0:25] <Thorn_> oh right, i didnt actually click the link
[0:39] <mdavey> ?
[0:44] <mdavey> not in the first 4 billion digits either. For a reasonable chance of finding it, one would need to search approximately the first 80 billion digits.
[0:45] <Thorn_> how many digits of pi do we have calculated?
[0:46] <Thorn_> oh yeah, thorn is there, booyah
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[0:51] <mdavey> 50 billion it seems
[0:54] <mdavey> nope, more than that. http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/01/07/new-pi-record-2-7-trillion-digits-calculated-on-a-desktop-pc/
[0:54] <mdavey> http://www.numberworld.org/misc_runs/pi-5t/details.html
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[1:03] <vgrade> mdavey, :)
[1:04] <vgrade> qmlviewer up on Pi
[1:04] <mdavey> yes, turned my laptop back on again just to read the email :D
[1:04] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[1:04] <mdavey> nn ReggieUK
[1:04] <ukscone> night ReggieUK
[1:04] <ReggieUK> g'night guys :)
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[1:05] <ukscone> waiting for mock the week to d/l
[1:05] <ukscone> better hurry up because wife found where i'd hidden the remote
[1:06] <mdavey> vgrade: nice, well done. night all.
[1:06] <Thorn_> mock the week <3
[1:06] <Thorn_> miss frankie boyle tho
[1:07] <vgrade> video to come
[1:07] <ukscone> not too keeen on frankie boyle
[1:07] <ukscone> he's ok but like others better
[1:08] <Thorn_> he was a bit dirty
[1:08] <Thorn_> but hilarious
[1:09] <ukscone> Thorn_: tried to watch the fades and frsh meat and this is jinsy yesterdya just couldn't do it
[1:09] <ukscone> some of the new tv is unwatchable
[1:09] <Thorn_> all new tv is unwatchable *
[1:09] <ukscone> the body farm is ok
[1:10] <ukscone> they need to make more things like morse, lewis and lovejoy though
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[1:24] <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/embed/fouPJRLygNQ?hl
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[4:57] <deadprogram> hi everyone
[5:08] <DaQatz> Lo
[5:12] <ctyler> hi deadprogram
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[6:22] <vgade2> Morning
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[7:54] <joukio> g'morning all
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[8:12] <ahven> morning
[8:14] <mdavey> morning ahven
[8:15] <ahven> hello
[8:28] <ahven> heh, should take up watching it crowd again :)
[8:41] <mdavey> yea, although I think that was one of the best episodes
[8:42] <mdavey> I've found that Firefox's new tab groups feature just encourages me to open even more tabs.
[8:42] <mdavey> I use tabs asif they were bookmarks ;)
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[9:07] <Mowee> Morning
[9:12] <mdavey> Morning Mowee
[9:22] <royh> morning :)
[9:53] <ahven> morning
[10:07] <ahven> interestingly today is a very quiet mailday
[10:07] <ahven> spam isn't moving at all :P
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> professional programmers must be geniuses... my brain hurts just trying to plan out some simple stuff =/
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, I guess I am trying to build all the complexity in from the start, when it should be built up from the basics.
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[11:13] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[12:11] <ReggieUK> hi all
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[12:17] <ReggieUK> hi ShiftPlusOne
[12:26] <joukio> hi all.... got a small brainfart about a possible usecase for the RPI
[12:27] <Stskeeps> 'lo
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> 56x28
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> (ignore that)
[12:28] <joukio> I would like to have some console access to a physicall server (or more then 1) so I can look at the bootprocess (serial console).
[12:28] <Stskeeps> there's a usb port, get usb serial plugins?
[12:28] <Stskeeps> er, gadgets
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> there has been some talk about that on the forum I think
[12:28] <joukio> my guess would be that an RPI hooked up to the serial port of the server can do that very ver very easy
[12:28] <joukio> yeah, well, besides that I would like to have the ability of power control
[12:29] <joukio> and I wanted to do that via 1-wire
[12:29] <joukio> because that is very easy to program
[12:29] <joukio> hmmm, ok, will change to the forum then...
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I am wrong, the forum talk was about something else
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> so, where's the problem?
[12:35] <joukio> well just asking if that would be a nice project basically
[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it, I thought you were having problems
[12:36] <joukio> well, that implies I would have an alpha board.... ;)
[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> oh you don't? we all have several each.
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ...we don't =(
[12:37] <joukio> bummer
[12:38] <joukio> but no, I don't have an alpha board.... although it is very hard to wait I think I can manage it to wait for the release.
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I am actually expecting it to be delayed a few times
[12:38] <joukio> why?
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> experience with Pandora
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> but I guess they are all professionals, unlike the pandora guys.
[12:40] <joukio> we will see.... I do hope it is released by the end of november. can't wait to start working on them. and a lot of friends and collegues are eager as well....
[12:42] <joukio> think I have at least 10 possible places to put a RPI to work...
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the lack of peripherals makes it very versatile.
[12:43] <joukio> well yeah
[12:43] <joukio> and affordable
[12:44] <joukio> goal is to make it work under 50 euros per device
[12:44] <joukio> total price (incl. case + psu)....
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[12:53] <mdavey> not mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tristantristan/4386999495/
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[13:35] <iMatttt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw&feature=feedu
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[13:54] <ReggieUK> sooo neutrinos are moving faster than light apparently
[13:54] <ReggieUK> The news reports are making me chuckle
[13:54] <ReggieUK> apparently the world of physics will be turned on it's head if this is proved correct
[13:55] <ReggieUK> I'm waiting for the announcement to see if gravity fails at exactly that point
[13:56] <ReggieUK> I always had a feeling einstein was wrong anyway
[13:56] <ReggieUK> if a photon has no mass how does it have the energy to travel potentially for ever?
[13:56] <nrdb> ReggieUK, but what I wonder is if everything in physics is relative, what is the speed of light reletive to.
[13:56] <ReggieUK> it's relative to the flight of chickens
[13:57] <ReggieUK> and bumble bees
[13:58] <ReggieUK> nrdb, sure, that seems to be what I'm saying, a photon is apparently massless so how is it's speed (which implies energy) relative?#
[13:59] <ReggieUK> and of course the expansion of the universe is apparently moving faster than light, so it's really a foregone conclusion that the speed of light is not the theoretical speed limit
[14:00] <ReggieUK> it's just the only limit we could measure, until now
[14:02] <ReggieUK> I'm no physicist, so I could be talking BS
[14:03] <ReggieUK> I did approach the subject with a few people that did know their stuff and got fobbed off
[14:03] <ReggieUK> 'the expansion of the universe is faster than the speed of light but that's not important' was the answer I got
[14:03] <ReggieUK> WRONG :D
[14:04] <ReggieUK> It's clearly highly important
[14:04] <ReggieUK> my other big one is, do we actually know how old the universe is, or is that another best guess?
[14:05] <ReggieUK> they reckon we can see for 14billion light years in every direction
[14:05] <ReggieUK> which tends to suggest that scientists have fallen for the old 'the earth is the middle of the universe' problem.
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[14:46] <IT_Sean> grrr!
[14:46] <IT_Sean> Who keeps stealing my tamper switch override tool!!!!????
[14:46] <ReggieUK> ME
[14:47] * ReggieUK throws the tamper thing out of the window
[14:47] * IT_Sean digs around his desk for another rubberband
[14:48] <IT_Sean> Here, have a whole bunch of them, if you like
[14:48] * IT_Sean hands ReggieUK a bag of rubberbands
[14:49] * ReggieUK fires one at stuff
[14:49] <ReggieUK> missed
[14:50] <ukscone> morning all
[14:51] <IT_Sean> morning
[14:52] <ukscone> so what's new in rspberrypi land?
[14:52] <ReggieUK> nitto
[14:54] <Stskeeps> ukscone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouPJRLygNQ&feature=player_embedded
[14:54] <ukscone> that the meego vid?
[14:54] <Stskeeps> yeah
[14:54] <Stskeeps> well, mer, we can't call it meego for trademark reasons
[14:54] <Stskeeps> :P
[14:54] <ukscone> :)
[14:55] <ukscone> should just call it fred
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[15:04] <IT_Sean> Just call it Bruce. Avoid confusion that way.
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[15:27] <- *atts* !w
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[16:09] <ahven> todays issue: dull videos of RasPi booting :P
[16:11] <ukscone> ahven: could be worse
[16:12] <ahven> I'm eager to see what it can do and what it can't but I'm not dissapointed - it is a $35 computer!
[16:12] <ukscone> could be boring vids of it just sitting there :)
[16:12] <ahven> and blinking :)
[16:13] <ukscone> i like blinking but theen again i am easily amused
[16:15] <ahven> hmm, you like blinking too you say
[16:15] <ahven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBc3WEfACfA
[16:16] <ahven> should have attached a real random number generator to it :P
[16:16] <ukscone> :)
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[16:28] <ahven> 3
[16:29] <ukscone> 4
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[18:46] <ukscone> ugh look like a drowned rat -- just went out to pay a few bills and the heavens opened while i was out
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[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> so... what's everyone up to?
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[19:39] <Stskeeps> compiling llvmpipe
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[19:42] <ukscone> eating a sandwich then going back to bed
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't eat before bed! >=/
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[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> llvmpipe is a rasterizer?
[19:43] <ReggieUK> I'm thinking about taking a wander to go and get myself a crackdonalds qtr pounder
[19:44] <Stskeeps> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, fast sw rendering
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I was addicted to double quarter pounders for a while... then I looked at the nutritional 'values' and haven't been to mcdonalds since O_o
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a tasty heart attack though
[19:45] <ReggieUK> my main issue is that I need to eat something and I cba to decide what I want, go and buy it, bring it home, stand there and cook it, do the washing up
[19:45] <ShiftPlusOne> psh.... mortals.
[19:46] <ReggieUK> so it's either a burger, fish and chips, chinese or a curry
[19:47] <ukscone> curry and chips yum
[19:47] <ReggieUK> last 3 are out cos I don't want to eat that much
[19:47] <ReggieUK> it'd be a waste :(
[19:49] <ReggieUK> but yeah, if I could manage it I'd like shami kebab starter, then for main, a chicken tikka masala, pilau rice, keema nan, sag aloo, cucumber raitha and a couple of chapatis :)
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, I don't even know what any of those are
[19:49] <ReggieUK> nom nom nom
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> and I went out with an Indian girl for like 5 years
[19:49] <ukscone> lamb tikka masala ftw
[19:49] <ukscone> or lamb birinai
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> and ate a lot of Indian food.... just never memorised what's what.
[19:50] <ReggieUK> keema nan is nan bread with very thin spicy lamb in it
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, never had that
[19:51] <ReggieUK> cucumber raitha is like a plain yoghurt with cucumber in it
[19:51] <ukscone> could murder a british donar kabab right now -- an american gyro just isn't the same
[19:52] <ukscone> the cucumber stuff is like greek tzatiki
[19:52] <ukscone> obviously not spelt that way but sounds like it
[19:52] <ReggieUK> sag aloo is spinach and potatoes
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, you don't have to list everything, I am not going to remember it
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just be like a lazy pom and call everything curry.
[19:52] <ukscone> because i grew up in the leicester area i went to alot of indian weddings and parties. probably ate more indian food that english
[19:53] <ReggieUK> and shami kebab is like a lamb tikka kebab burger
[19:55] <ReggieUK> I really like doner kebab
[19:55] <ReggieUK> but they're terrible for your health really
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[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Jesus.... watching the Fox news 'debate'.... America is is screwed =/
[21:12] <friggle> Stskeeps: do you have a board now?
[21:13] <Stskeeps> friggle: no, vgrade does, he was like, geographically close to someone who had them so
[21:14] <Stskeeps> that's fine, remotely porting is fun
[21:14] <friggle> Stskeeps: are you working on wayland?
[21:14] <Stskeeps> friggle: not personally, i was looking a bit at current gles state and let's just say, it looks.. fun
[21:15] <Stskeeps> friggle: think we need to take a openwf angle on it, it's not clear to me how to support other windowing systems with the bcrm gles stack
[21:15] <friggle> Stskeeps: any particular way it seems 'fun'?
[21:16] <Stskeeps> friggle: http://pastie.org/2577704
[21:18] <friggle> hmm
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[21:22] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, what do you expect from fox?
[21:22] <ReggieUK> anyway, everywhere is screwed except possibly the chinese
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but America is screwed first
[21:23] <ReggieUK> nah, greece is screwed first
[21:23] <ReggieUK> well, actually europe
[21:23] <friggle> interesting http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=32.8#postid-8177
[21:23] <ReggieUK> because greece is lazy and won't pay taxes
[21:23] <ReggieUK> 'sure, we'll pay back the money you loaned us'
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> greece doesn't count, it doesn't affect the world. and I don't realise recognize the EU, so the more screwed 'Europe' is, the better it is for the individual countries.
[21:24] <ReggieUK> ?
[21:24] <ReggieUK> rightio
[21:24] <ReggieUK> tell that to the germans
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> lol I mean in the long run
[21:24] <ReggieUK> the euro is a dead duck imho
[21:24] <ReggieUK> always has been always will be
[21:24] <Thorn_> wrong
[21:25] <ReggieUK> but if the euro fails, no one that was part of it will come out looking good
[21:25] <Thorn_> the euro isn't a dead duck. you can't be dead if you never lived
[21:25] <ReggieUK> ok, it's a frankenduck
[21:26] <Thorn_> http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/41689-frankenduck.jpg
[21:26] <ReggieUK> the euro and the EU are showing their true colours now
[21:26] <traeak> what does that mean?
[21:26] <Thorn_> pink cos they're all ghey-ey-ey!
[21:26] <Thorn_> (elaborate statement of the month)
[21:27] <ReggieUK> the eu is supposedly about common policy, the euro is about a common currency, now it comes time to make good on the euro, the germans don't want to know
[21:27] <ReggieUK> they and the french have been steering the eu to their advantage since it's inception and this is getting towards the end result
[21:29] <traeak> woah
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I am just wondering, do you guys view Israel as an ally, an enemy or neutral? (regardless of where you are)
[21:29] <traeak> the euro hurt the common german
[21:29] <traeak> essentiallythe germans "invested" in the euro
[21:29] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: 100% enemy.
[21:29] <ReggieUK> that's a bit of a non statement
[21:29] <ReggieUK> everyone that joined the euro invested in it
[21:30] <traeak> israel: only ally in the mideast...the rest of the nations are corrupt and ruled by tyrants
[21:30] <traeak> except
[21:30] <ReggieUK> I really don't like israel
[21:30] <traeak> the germans ended up trading marks for euros basically
[21:30] <ReggieUK> then again I'm not keen on the mid east/africa in general
[21:30] <Thorn_> you're saying israel isn't corrupt and ruled by tyrants? ooooo-k clound nine
[21:30] <Thorn_> cloud*
[21:30] <traeak> the prices of things in marks translated directly to prices in euros..and the german mark was valued far less than the euro
[21:31] <traeak> it drove out almost all the small business out of my mother's home town
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I know that question can open up a can of worms, so let's be respectful of each others' opinions here.
[21:31] <jzu> you bet :-)
[21:31] <ReggieUK> traeak, that has happened here too but nothing to do with the euro
[21:31] <ReggieUK> it's globalisation
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and yeah Thorn_, I am with you on that one. It's just amazing how much Israel ass kissing they did during the debate.
[21:32] <traeak> Thorn_: yes: they are the most democratic nation in the mideast...the only remotely western like nation in the whole region
[21:33] <Thorn_> the only solution is to BOMB THEM ALL (respectfully ofcourse)
[21:33] <traeak> Thorn_: I don't see israel involved in blowing themselves up and randomly firing missiles at their neighbors
[21:33] <Thorn_> (yes i'm being silly, what did you expect with such an open question)
[21:33] <Thorn_> traeak: then you don't watch the news enough
[21:33] <ReggieUK> no, they explicity target their missiles
[21:33] <traeak> well considering random rocket attacks against israel are the norm, as are suicide bombings, who can blame them ?
[21:34] <ReggieUK> if it remotely smells arab they'll try and acellerate hot metal towards it
[21:34] <Stskeeps> politics.. are we steering a bit off course here?
[21:34] <Stskeeps> :P
[21:34] <Thorn_> so one second you say it doesn't happen then you say 'who can blame them' ?
[21:34] <traeak> what? trying to target those who randomly launch rocket attacks against civilian targets?
[21:34] <Thorn_> yeah, and who can blame the perpetrators for pearl habour
[21:34] <Thorn_> or hiroshima
[21:35] <Thorn_> it's all cool yo.
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, that's a chicken or the egg problem.... who's on the defence here? Israel is the only one expanding it's borders.
[21:35] <traeak> send in aircraft to try to elminate the random threats
[21:35] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: israel isn't, they've shrunk their borders
[21:35] * jzu ... waiting for the Godwin point
[21:35] <traeak> you guys don't remember anything about the last 3 wars in teh mideast?
[21:35] <traeak> so isreal started everything?
[21:35] <traeak> this is insanity
[21:35] <Thorn_> i don't care about the last 3 wars
[21:36] <Thorn_> should we start WW3 because WW2 happened?
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, since their original borders?
[21:36] <ReggieUK> well if you want to go the terrorist route, how about israel the terrorists bombing the english in the first place
[21:36] <ReggieUK> king david hotel anyone?
[21:36] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, not just the English... pretty much all their 'friends'.
[21:37] <Thorn_> so who's the first to wire up some semtex triggered by a GPIO on the rpi ?
[21:37] <Thorn_> :P
[21:38] <ReggieUK> a dumbass?
[21:38] <jzu> indeed, wasting such a cool machine
[21:38] <ukscone> if we are going to talk about terrorist then don't forget the cheating the americans did in the revolutionary war
[21:38] <ReggieUK> ahahaha
[21:38] <ukscone> bunch of cheats -- hiding in trees and wearing green
[21:38] <ukscone> that is just not cricket
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> another question.... cricket - yay or nay?
[21:39] <ukscone> how dare they not wear red and walk in staight lines
[21:39] <ukscone> cricket yay
[21:39] <ukscone> how can you not like a game that takes 5 days and only 50% of the time has a winner
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[21:39] <ukscone> and stops for breaks during the game for a a cup of tea and sandwiches
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[21:40] <ReggieUK> cricket nay
[21:41] <ukscone> i was named after a famous crickets and thankgoodness otherwise i'd have been named after my grandfather and his name sucked
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Now that the topic is sufficiently changed and the bad taste is out of my mouth, I'll get back to what I was doing =)
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, sucked like 'Humphrey'?
[21:42] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: no ralph
[21:42] <Thorn_> cricket nzzZZZZZZZ
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's not too bad
[21:44] <ukscone> could have been worse i guess my other grandfathers name was selwyn
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing wrong with a unique name
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[21:45] <ukscone> nothing wrong with it except kids will find some way to turn it into so horrible name
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[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> that's nothing a little violence can't fix.
[21:46] <ukscone> :)
[21:46] <DaQatz> Sigh power be blinkin
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[23:34] <ukscone> damn can't find my wordstar disk image directory
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds urgent
[23:38] <ukscone> yes I have built z80pack and yaze for the theoretical raspi we are all using and they work great and i felt the need to use wordstar
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
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[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> surely it's readily available on the net
[23:39] <ukscone> i was thinking maybe useing YAZE (or z80pack) to runn CP/M BBC BASIC on the raspi :)
[23:39] <Thorn_> hoping to pickup my bike on friday!
[23:40] <ukscone> yes there is but i'd have to turn it froma disk image to a directory and that means i'd have to faff around for a couple of hours like i did last time
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, nice... got the gear already? =O
[23:40] <Thorn_> yes
[23:40] <ukscone> Thorn_: what's the problem? broken wrist? i pick up my bike all the time with no problem
[23:40] <ukscone> :D
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[23:41] <Thorn_> heh
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, that was quick... you made it seem like it's a year away or so
[23:41] <Thorn_> haha, no
[23:41] <Thorn_> when i decide to do something i do it :P
[23:42] <Thorn_> i'm just too lazy to decide to do things most of the time :P
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> well good luck and ride safe
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[23:43] <Thorn_> ride safe? nuh uh, i'll have it swapped out for a 600cc engine tomorrow and kill myself with a 180mph head on collision
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[23:44] <ukscone> Thorn_: if you kill yourself after the end of november can you leave me your raspi in your will please
[23:44] <Thorn_> lol
[23:44] <ukscone> not that i am being ghoulish of course but it would be better if it didn't go to waste
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBXAkKKoEQ =D
[23:45] <ukscone> a few friends and i are "computer" buddies kinda like pr0n buddies. if one dies the other goes to empty their house of computers immediatly especially the hidden ones the wife didn't know about
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a thing?
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> This was an epic trip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO27i19IfQA Could not have asked for better weather and roads.

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