#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-24

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <ahven> driving in the wrong lane :P
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> actually a lot of tourists drive on the wrong side of that road...(actual wrong side)
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> we rode back with a motorcycle club which one of the guys was a part of and the guy at the front almost got hit by one of these tourists
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> !w
[0:05] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne: in Seaford, VIC on Sat Sep 24 12:00:00 2011. Temp 10??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 76%.
[0:05] <PiBot> Sun: High 17??C Low 3??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[0:05] <PiBot> Mon: High 21??C Low 11??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[0:05] <PiBot> Tue: High 25??C Low 15??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[0:05] <PiBot> Sat: High 17??C Low 2??C :Condition Partly Sunny
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... sucky
[0:06] <ukscone> ok dbase II 2.4 is running :)
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I want to ask 'why?' but I am guessing 'for the hell of it'
[0:07] <ukscone> 1. because i liked cp/m
[0:07] <ukscone> 2. i liked dbaseII
[0:08] <ukscone> 3. because i am a dinosaur
[0:08] <ukscone> 4. because it's there
[0:08] <ukscone> 5. because i am a cranky old git and get those kids off my lawn cp/m is da bomb
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm, never seen cp/m
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and did you get me your job yet?
[0:10] <ukscone> nope. i decided i'd better at leeast pretend to be working
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> oh come on
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I am younger and am willing to work for less
[0:11] <ukscone> less that zero?
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, you said it pays 'well, but not often'
[0:14] <ukscone> yes but i'd need to be paid a finders fee
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> (once I figure out what it is you do, I am stealing it)
[0:14] <ukscone> and until you finish the program you won't get paid
[0:15] <ukscone> well you have 5 of the tools i use so it shouldn't take you too long to work it out
[0:15] <ukscone> it was 5 zipits you bought wasn't it?
[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> do you write original software or port existing stuff?
[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> and I think it was 5 or 4... possibly 4
[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> *probably 4
[0:16] <ukscone> not the original s/w but i bend zipits to my will
[0:16] <ukscone> i did help them with some new s/w but not for the z2
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
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[0:18] <ukscone> actually now i have cp/m 2.2 and 3.0 running i think i'll take a break and play doom on a zipit
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
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[0:21] <ukscone> ok wordstar runs but the screen is crap -- need to fix the display driver
[0:22] <ukscone> http://pastebin.com/DiYngicZ
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> looking good
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[0:28] <ukscone> http://pastebin.com/78gsF3gE
[0:28] <ukscone> supercalc works
[0:32] <ahven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeynTy7GVug&list=UUKo3gUgQTxxOCjljr9Bgh_w&feature=plcp
[0:32] <ahven> little musical intermission :)
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> well Killa Kela has changed since last time I saw him
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[0:45] <ahven> and good night
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[1:09] <ukscone> ok QI time bbiab
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> QI?
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right
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[1:54] <ukscone> ok back
[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> wb
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[3:27] <ukscone> ReggieUK: go to bed it's way past your bedtime
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[11:00] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[12:15] <mdavey> morning all
[12:15] <mdavey> awesome interactive html5 google home page today
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[13:30] <ahven> yep
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[14:17] <ShiftPlusOne> is NULL==false?
[14:17] <mdavey> sometimes
[14:17] <mdavey> depends on the language
[14:17] <ShiftPlusOne> c++
[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess I should include '==NULL' either way for readability.
[14:18] <mdavey> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459743/is-null-always-false
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks
[14:19] <mdavey> more concise answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2053709/is-null-the-same-as-false-in-c
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[14:57] <vgrade_es> mdavey: hi
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[15:31] <mdavey> vgrade_es: hello
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[15:38] <ReggieUK> hi all
[15:42] * IT_Sean tosses a raspberry at ReggieUK
[15:47] <ReggieUK> thanks
[15:47] * IT_Sean nods
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[16:52] <ukscone> morning all
[16:56] * IT_Sean throws a raspberry at ukscone
[16:59] <ukscone> i'll sue you
[16:59] <ukscone> that almost took my eye out
[17:10] <IT_Sean> bah
[17:11] <ukscone> i've been in the states too long. the answer to everything is "sue the b******s"
[17:12] <IT_Sean> I hate that
[17:18] <ukscone> wonder what warning labels they'd have to put on it if the raspi was being made in america?
[17:18] <ukscone> warning: does not contain raspberries
[17:19] <ukscone> warning: not intended to be taken orally
[17:19] <IT_Sean> warning: do not eat. Do not insert into any body cavity. Do not use in the bath. Do not use outdoors. Do not use without proper enclosure. Do not use at all, really.
[17:20] <mdavey> not a toy. not to be used without adult supervision.
[17:21] <mdavey> may contain nuts
[17:21] <ukscone> warning: extended use can lead to a marketable skill.
[17:22] <DaQatz> !w
[17:22] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat Sep 24 18:51:00 2011. Temp 68??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 93%. Later 79??F - 61??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[17:22] <PiBot> Sun: High 81??F Low 58??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[17:22] <PiBot> Mon: High 79??F Low 56??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[17:22] <PiBot> Tue: High 70??F Low 54??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[17:22] <DaQatz> SUN!
[17:22] <mdavey> like the comedy credits you get at the end of pixar films
[17:22] <ukscone> !w 11220
[17:22] <PiBot> ukscone: in Brooklyn, NY on Sat Sep 24 14:12:00 2011. Temp 72??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 88%. Later 74??F - 67??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[17:22] <mdavey> !w help]
[17:22] <PiBot> Not found.
[17:23] <mdavey> !w help
[17:23] <PiBot> Not found.
[17:23] <DaQatz> !help weather_set
[17:23] <ukscone> !w nepal
[17:23] <PiBot> ukscone: in nepal on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp ??F. Condition: , Humidity: 0%. Later 63??F - 55??F. Condition: Rain
[17:23] <DaQatz> wtf
[17:23] <DaQatz> Oh nvm
[17:23] <ukscone> still does that i see
[17:23] <DaQatz> It's google
[17:24] <mdavey> !help !help I'm trapped in a box factory
[17:24] <ukscone> yeah i know but it still amuses me
[17:32] <mdavey> !order beer for DaQatz
[17:35] <ukscone> ok that's enough cp/m, z80 fun. now what?
[17:36] <ukscone> could design a front panel for the raspi with lots of toggle switched and blinky lights
[17:37] <IT_Sean> !w
[17:37] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Sat Sep 24 18:53:00 2011. Temp 71??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 93%. Later 77??F - 63??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[17:37] <PiBot> Sun: High 76??F Low 63??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[17:37] <PiBot> Mon: High 79??F Low 65??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[17:37] <PiBot> Tue: High 74??F Low 63??F :Condition Chance of Storm
[17:37] <IT_Sean> a front panel with toggles & lights would be awesome
[17:38] <ukscone> it's going to be fun to see what the kids come up with when the educational release happens compared to the oldsters
[17:39] <ukscone> for people 35 and above it seems to be all retro and nostalgia
[17:40] <ukscone> for 34 and below it will be all robots and multimedia
[17:41] <IT_Sean> For me, it's a cheap computer to expariment with.
[17:44] <ukscone> well that too but i foresee that the projects will be done with it will learn more towards emulation and retro for the over 35's and all robots and multimedia and whix bang stuff with the under 35's
[17:45] <ukscone> mdavey: do you watch much tv? did you see educating essex last week?
[17:45] <mdavey> ukscone: nope, didn't see that
[17:46] <mdavey> ukscone: which chan?
[17:46] <ukscone> it's was pretty funny although i don't think it was supposed to be -- definatley a couple of catherine tate wannabees
[17:46] <ukscone> not sure i got it from the intertubes but probably channel 4 or bbc
[17:46] <ukscone> don't remember seeign ad breaks so probably a bbc channel
[17:47] <ukscone> channel 4 -- just asked the googlic oracle
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[17:49] <ukscone> ooooo 43 humans. is that a new record?
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[18:01] * IT_Sean makes it one less
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[18:02] <mdavey> ukscone: could be. We had 43+3 the other day bus a couple of the 43 were dups.
[18:04] <ukscone> we should start charging an entry fee at the door
[18:05] <ukscone> a couple of weeks and i could get another raspi and a couple of kegs (and several bags of twiglets for the munchies while drinking said kegs
[18:06] <ukscone> any python fanboi's in here?
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I like python, but I don't use it for anything
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's a good language to start with
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[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> though I see that was asked exactly an hour ago
[19:08] <mdavey> ukscone: just watched the entire first episode
[19:12] <mdavey> ukscone: still can't work out whether two.four TV have struck gold with personalities in their documentary or if is an incredibably well planned comedy.
[19:15] <mdavey> ukscone: http://www.passmoresacademy.com/
[19:16] <mdavey> ukscone: but definately one of the funniest and most entertaining programmes I've watched in a while
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[20:25] <ahven> wb
[20:44] <mdavey> thanks
[21:26] <ahven> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/09/24/1358256/Is-ARM-Ever-Coming-To-the-Desktop
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[21:28] <ukscone_> afternoon all
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[21:28] <ahven> and a good late evening from here :)
[21:29] <ukscone_> sitting in b&n wishing the nook didn't suck for irc
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> makes me wonder I haven't installed some IRC client on my phone yet
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> wasting a perfectly good qwerty keyboard
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[21:34] <ahven> the on screen keyboard is ok replacement
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I hate on screen keyboards
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> though they are not too bad on clownphones like Desire HD
[21:36] <ahven> android sadly doesn't provide a BT HID profile, as I found out lately :(
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> google sucks with supporting basic must-have features
[21:37] <ahven> another rom would be a solution...but since there are lot of stuff usually that doesn't work as intended, I'll pass
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[21:39] <ShiftPlusOneG1> Woo!
[21:39] <ahven> hoo!
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> nana-nana-nanaaa
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> (watching freddie wong videos?) >.>
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I had this playing in the background, so yeah.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuFEiVGKxSA
[21:41] <ahven> I almost was scared that the "duel" will be with those plastic controllers :P
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[21:43] <ahven> the South Park episode is pretty clear with the sheer of awesomeness of those things :P
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOneG1> AndChat seems to work pretty well. Wonder how much batterry it eats.
[21:51] <ahven> pretty minimal, using it as well
[21:51] <ahven> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/p9246814.jpg/
[21:51] <ahven> my precious!
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> minimal, but has everything I use
[21:52] <ahven> hope to find the right tool, might go for a drive tomorrow
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> nice, I think that's the bike Thorn is getting
[21:52] <ahven> hehe :P
[21:54] <ahven> 50cc :)
[21:54] <Thorn_> i've spent about ten minutes trying to load that link
[21:54] <Thorn_> bloody wireless
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> oh hello <.<
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[21:55] <Thorn_> haha what
[21:55] <Thorn_> 0-60 in? :P
[21:56] <ahven> with my weight? infinity :D
[21:56] <ahven> the factory specs tell 49km/h
[21:56] <ahven> 45*
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> 2.7 seconds
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (at freefall)
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> 2.735 seconds to be more exact
[22:25] <ahven> ginger ale is an interesting tonic
[22:25] <ahven> it hides the taste of vodka pretty well
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but so does more vodka
[22:36] <ahven> yup :)
[22:41] <mdavey> anyone watched Doctor Who this week?
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> downloading right now
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> and Dexter =)
[22:47] <ahven> ooh, should follow up on Dexter too, have to look at the plot to find out what I have seen as the last episode
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> despite awkward acting, it's a great show =)
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[23:24] <ukscone> evening all
[23:24] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning again
[23:26] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne you really neeed to reset your watch. for some reason you seem to think you aree 12 hours behind or in front of the rest of us. i don't think it's a medical problem but maybe you should see a doctor about the problem
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> well you see, as the Earth rotates, different parts of the world are illuminated by the sun, so to make sure night and day correspond to certain times, we have 'time zones'.
[23:29] <ukscone> they do?????
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's crazy
[23:29] <ukscone> when did they get those? noone told me
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wait till you learn about daylight savings
[23:34] <ukscone> they save daylight? how do they store it? in a brown or green coloured glass botttle so it doesn't leak out
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not actually stored, just shifted =)
[23:36] <ukscone> isn't time shifting illegal in australia? i know it was for a while in the uk
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> never heard of that
[23:41] <ukscone> they trieed an experiment in the uk when i was a kid where they didn't do daylight savings
[23:41] <ukscone> got scrapped almost immediatly
[23:41] <ukscone> they were going to try it again a couple of years ago but the kids from the experiment in the 70s are in power now and said no way jose
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you were talking about tv timeshifting >.>
[23:43] <ukscone> i was :)
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[23:43] <ukscone> but then got sidetracked :) damn adhd
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[23:48] * ukscone peers out
[23:49] <ukscone> nothing to see here, move aling now
[23:49] <ukscone> s/aling/along
[23:49] <Thorn_> anyone know a brand of wireless cards that lasts longer than a month before dying
[23:49] * ShiftPlusOne peers over?
[23:49] <Thorn_> haven't had much luck with tp-links so far...
[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> tp-links?
[23:49] <Thorn_> tp-link brand
[23:49] * IT_Sean usually uses one w/ a broadcom chipset
[23:49] <ukscone> Thorn_: well most will if you don't keep pouring irn-bru over them
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[23:50] <Thorn_> also that asshole with the motorbike sold it to someone else instead ;\
[23:50] <ukscone> any with atheros or broadcom seem ok here
[23:50] <Thorn_> and that guy immediately put it up for resale at 2x the price
[23:50] <Thorn_> ;\
[23:50] <ukscone> Thorn_: :(
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> plenty of bikes out there
[23:50] <Thorn_> not here
[23:50] <Thorn_> there's like 1 125cc up for sale every 6 months on autotrader :P
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> then check more sources?
[23:51] <Thorn_> i do
[23:51] <ukscone> build your own
[23:51] <Thorn_> that thing was a 4 stroke with only 3k miles on the clock
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> you're doing it wrong
[23:51] <Thorn_> fordirt cheap...
[23:51] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: nope, european regs are trying to ban motorbikes ...
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you were getting a 2 stroke
[23:51] <Thorn_> not anymore
[23:52] <Thorn_> too many horror stories
[23:52] <Thorn_> and i only intend to have the 125cc for a few months
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> what sort of horror stories?
[23:52] <Thorn_> so unreliable
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> not unreliable, they just need more attention
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> but they are easier to service
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> so it evens out

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