#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-09-25

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <ukscone> doctor who time
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, that's 4 minutes away
[0:04] <iMatttt> Already seen
[0:04] <IT_Sean> heh
[0:04] <iMatttt> Truely epic
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Now it's dr who time.
[0:05] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> another cybermen one =/
[0:09] * IT_Sean rummages about for an SD card
[0:15] <IT_Sean> wewt! found some
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[0:42] * mdavey liked the line "I've got an app for that!" when the Doctor was changing sonic screwdriver settings.
[0:42] <iMatttt> Yup
[0:43] <ukscone> ok that was a kinda silly dr. who but next weeks looks good
[0:44] <ukscone> and merlin starts again next week too -- need to clear out some hd space for next week
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[2:11] <ukscone> oh i was just talkign to someone about the nanonote and remembered this http://hackaday.com/2011/05/10/bit-banging-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ maybe the idea can be modded to give vga on the raspi :)
[2:25] * IT_Sean flicks an SD card at ukscone
[2:25] <IT_Sean> hmmm.... interisting idea...
[2:25] <ukscone> IT_Sean: what did i tell you about throwing things at me -- i'm going to sue
[2:26] * IT_Sean points to the sign on the wall: "IT_Sean not responsible if you get hit with crap"
[2:26] <IT_Sean> I see a problem with that idea, though
[2:26] <ukscone> yes so do i
[2:26] <IT_Sean> How are you going to put VGA out over the SD slot when you are BOOTING off an SD card?
[2:26] <ukscone> i.e. we need the sd card with some flash on it
[2:27] <ukscone> and we only have one slot
[2:27] * IT_Sean snerks
[2:27] <ukscone> i believe it is possible to multiplex a slot though
[2:27] <ukscone> not tried it but seem to rememebr hearing you could daisychain off an sd slot
[2:28] <IT_Sean> really?
[2:28] <IT_Sean> I've never seen that done.
[2:28] <ukscone> yup i haven't seen it but it does vaguely fire a synapse in the dim recesses of my brain
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[2:30] <IT_Sean> WOOHOO!
[2:30] <IT_Sean> New maps are working on the Garmin :D
[2:30] <ctyler> Wonder if you could have an SD card set up in such a way that it can switch out, so the boot would chain-load from a USB flash drive which would then swap out the SD and switch the SD interface over to the bit-banging-vga-interface
[2:32] <ukscone> probably
[2:33] <ukscone> that is partially why i am looking at building u-boot (or barebox) for the arm1176
[2:34] <ukscone> boot the bootloader fromt eh sd card instead of the kernel then use it to boot off a usb drive
[2:35] <ukscone> i wonder if the gpu firmware could have boot off usb drive added to it? how much more code could it be to the already existing boot off sd card code? :)
[2:36] <ctyler> ukscone: depends on whether the GPU can access the USB, because the GPU loads the kernel off the SD
[2:37] <ukscone> ctyler: that's sort of what i'm asking. could the gpu have code added to check for the sd card if not there try usb slot for boot media
[2:38] <ukscone> obviosly not in this iteration of the soc (or maybe it can be if it's all s/w)
[2:39] <ctyler> actually, the GPU code is yanked from the SD too, so it doesn't look hopeful
[2:40] <ukscone> yup probably not possible with this version of the soc but future versions if the actual minimal usb handling isn't too large it'd be a nice addition to the soc although would it be worth broadcoms while to do it (what do their real customers want?)
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... retailers want to charge people for 'explanations' and 'fitting' to make sure people aren't just in the store to get the right size/model and then buy online. Sounds like a good plan to push people away even further. =/
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> "People can just now get on their iPhone to actually look up prices in comparison - all while they stand right in front of you," .... the horror
[2:44] <ctyler> With Google Googles, you just have to snap a shot of the front of the package, or the barcode.
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah but those services tend to be very US-focused and are useless here
[2:46] * ctyler isn't in the US either :-S
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> canada is close enough.... when American businesses do something they normally start in America and Canada
[2:49] <ctyler> Not always so much. We can buy Android apps, but not sell them, for example :-(
[2:49] <ctyler> We are allowed to give them away for free!
[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, and as soon as you get off the content, support for things like that gets even worse.
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> "POLICE will refuse to issue speeding fines, toll road penalties and traffic infringement notices across Victoria from Friday as they escalate their campaign for better pay."
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> =)
[2:55] <IT_Sean> YAY!
[2:56] <IT_Sean> I would totally take advantage of that :p
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I am going to go 63 in a 60 zone!
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> "I suggest you sit back and pretend we're not happening so you can get a pleasant surprise in the fourth quarter. " - Liz
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> has Eben won then?
[3:07] <ukscone> of course he has. he is jason statham in real life
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:08] <ukscone> i bet it was him typing really. probably distracted liz with a double chocolate godiva chocolte pudding and typed on heer laptop quickly
[3:11] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca5684.bb.sky.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[3:13] <IT_Sean> heh
[3:14] <IT_Sean> So... we ARE looking @ a Q4 release?
[3:14] <ukscone> yes
[3:14] <IT_Sean> WEWT! :D
[3:15] <ukscone> even with slippage i'm betting on this side of christmas
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[3:15] <IT_Sean> Awesome
[3:16] <IT_Sean> heh... slippage. Sounds... ... icky.
[3:16] <ukscone> of course what do i know?
[3:16] <IT_Sean> I dunno. What do you know?
[3:16] <IT_Sean> :p
[3:16] <ukscone> that the best way to get chewing gum out of your hair is to freeze it with an ice cube
[3:17] <IT_Sean> Is that it?
[3:17] <ukscone> and that passing 240v through the tube of a bbc micro is not a good idea
[3:17] <IT_Sean> No, that usually isn't a good idea>
[3:17] <IT_Sean> *.
[3:17] <ukscone> especially not when you only have half the circuit
[3:18] <ukscone> and i know you should never get between a hippotomus and a river or between a woman and a shoe sale
[3:19] * IT_Sean puts 36vdc to the data pins of some of ukscone's flash drives
[3:20] <ukscone> sounds painful
[3:20] <IT_Sean> Oh no... It's quite a good idea.
[3:20] <IT_Sean> They like it!
[3:20] <IT_Sean> Oooooh how they like it
[3:20] <IT_Sean> "POP" "Fizzzzlll" "poof"
[3:21] <IT_Sean> Although, i do hope you didn't have anything impoartant on them.
[3:21] <ukscone> nope well apart from the hacked vonage vphones
[3:22] <IT_Sean> hacked vonage vphones?
[3:22] <ukscone> google vomage vphone
[3:22] <ukscone> vonage vphone even
[3:23] <IT_Sean> I know what vonage is (we have it at the office for data-over-voip testing). I was asking about the "hacked" bit
[3:23] <ukscone> they are a flash drive with 250meg of flash on them and mic and headphone socket
[3:23] <IT_Sean> oooooooooh
[3:23] <ukscone> they came with a "hidden" partition with the vonage s/w sip phone on it and i hacked them to remove it so i could use it as a sound card, mic and run my own s/w on them
[3:24] <ukscone> they were $9.95 at radioshack a few years ago
[3:24] <IT_Sean> That's awesome
[3:24] <ukscone> i bought a dozen or so and over the years hacked them and gave them out to ppl
[3:24] <IT_Sean> that's cool
[3:24] <ukscone> i did years ago have a blog about it but i killed the blog and lost the post
[3:25] <ukscone> but judicious use of the flash controller manufacturer s/w and a bit of linux and it was easy :)
[3:27] * IT_Sean wonders why this CF card keeps unmounting itself
[3:27] <ukscone> poltergists?
[3:28] <IT_Sean> I think it's just old, and been kicked around too much
[3:29] <ukscone> and flicked at people too much too
[3:29] * IT_Sean tries to think of a clever way to destroy it. He'd run it over, but... being a CF card, it's already pretty much completly flat.
[3:29] <ukscone> dipped in liquid nitrogen and hit with hammer?
[3:29] <ukscone> used as a base for thermite?
[3:29] <IT_Sean> Riiight... because we all keep vats of liquid nitrogen lying about
[3:30] <IT_Sean> This isn't an evil layer... it's a house!
[3:30] <ukscone> shot with a bb gun
[3:30] <IT_Sean> haven't got one
[3:30] <ukscone> deep fried in oil?
[3:31] <IT_Sean> I'd prefer to not clean melty plastic off my good frying pan
[3:31] <ukscone> microwaved?
[3:32] * IT_Sean thinks he'll sleep on the idea
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[11:56] <mdavey> ooh, social media buttons on Raspberry Pi blog. Nice.
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess it gets the word out and gives good feedback
[12:02] <mdavey> yea, its all about the buzz
[12:04] <mdavey> Suggested by Lakes; Quote of the day: Liz: "...think that posting something on this forum will make me magic a firm date out of my arse..."
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Liz says the darnedest things
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[16:14] <Thorn_> meh, he decided not to sell the bike anyway
[16:14] <Thorn_> another months waiting...
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[17:08] <ukscone> morning all
[17:08] <ReggieUK> hi
[17:13] <ukscone> ReggieUK: so what's new in blighty?
[17:16] <ReggieUK> naff all
[17:25] <ukscone> so samee as yesterday then
[17:28] * IT_Sean peeled the casing off that bad SD card this morning
[17:28] <ReggieUK> which bad sd card?
[17:29] <IT_Sean> THe one that doesn't work!
[17:29] <IT_Sean> I might have mentioned it last night
[17:30] <IT_Sean> not much too these
[17:30] <ukscone> i wouldn't want to be your kid
[17:30] <ukscone> if they were bad you'd skin them
[17:30] <IT_Sean> O.o
[17:30] <IT_Sean> nah
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I only disassemble dodgly electronics :p
[17:31] <IT_Sean> *dodgy
[17:31] <ukscone> good job your kid isn't called jonny 5 then
[17:32] <ReggieUK> :)
[17:32] <IT_Sean> I don't have a kid, anyway
[17:33] <ukscone> good otherwise i'd have to ring ACS on you
[17:34] * IT_Sean flicks the innards of that SD card at ukscone
[17:35] <ReggieUK> I'm having issues with an sd card
[17:35] <IT_Sean> what sort of issues?
[17:35] <ReggieUK> well, i'm not someone in canada is
[17:35] <ReggieUK> it doesn't appear to want to work on a bootloader I helped edit for leapfrog didj/explorer units
[17:35] <ukscone> ReggieUK: using the pansonic sd card formatter fixes most probs other than major wear leveling and a completly fubar card
[17:36] <ReggieUK> well, there are a myriad of issues
[17:36] <ReggieUK> 1. the guy doesn't really know what he's doing totally
[17:36] <ReggieUK> 2. it's getting a -110 error (which tends to suggest that it's a flaky card in someway on initialisation)
[17:37] <ReggieUK> 3. He wasn't even compiling the right sourcecode to start off with
[17:37] <ReggieUK> 4. All of my cards work (so it's alllll good here :D)
[17:37] <ukscone> well 3 really isn't going to help
[17:39] <ReggieUK> yeah the problem with 3 is I didn't find that out for 1/2 an hour
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[19:42] <IT_Sean> back
[19:43] <IT_Sean> back
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[21:36] * ukscone *yawns*
[21:37] <ukscone> what a boring day
[21:37] <ukscone> sort of dark and dank
[21:37] <ukscone> definetly a cup of tea and book in a nice comfy chair kinda day
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[22:02] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[22:04] <ahven> hehe
[22:04] <ukscone> heheh
[22:04] <ukscone> better redesign the room to be octagonal
[22:04] <ukscone> i wonder what a 40 sided shape is called
[22:08] <ahven> ukscone: Tetracontagon :)
[22:08] <ahven> http://www.purplehell.com/riddletools/polys.htm
[22:09] <ahven> a hecatommyriagonal room should be enough then for all of us? :)
[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, but Myriagon sounds cooler
[22:13] <ukscone> wasn't myriagon the monster in the last aliens movie?
[22:14] <ukscone> microsoft and apple would be happy to have a googolgon
[22:17] <ahven> it will be a spike in the mail traffic on release day - a week ago they told about 14k subscribers :)
[22:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... maybe Google should convert their building to a googolgon... I guess that would just be a circle
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> or a cylinder rather
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ... a hollow cylinder.... with a door... and windows.
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> What were we talking about?
[22:29] <ahven> wacky question of the day from blog comments: "Can it run on an intel processor"
[22:31] <IT_Sean> o.O
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[22:35] <Thorn_> cheap uk electronics shop? (online store)
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Trick question, nothing is cheap in UK?
[22:37] <Thorn_> haha
[22:37] <Thorn_> i should rephrase
[22:38] <Thorn_> decent uk electronics shop? (online store)
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> what are you after?
[22:40] <Thorn_> uh 20kg of semtex and a few radio receivers
[22:40] <Thorn_> lmao
[22:41] <Thorn_> naw, was going to build a battery audio amplifier since i borked the old stereoblaster thingy
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd use http://www.findchips.com/ to find the cheapest supplier which has what you're after
[22:42] <Thorn_> so far found farnell and wwwrs
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I would've said element14(farnell)
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... nice to see /etc/hosts.deny filling up... denyhosts is doing it's job. =)
[22:44] <Thorn_> <3 denyhosts
[22:44] <Thorn_> cat /etc/hosts.deny | wc -l
[22:44] <Thorn_> 285
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, only 25 here
[22:45] <Thorn_> yeah it's been running there since january
[22:45] <Thorn_> oh wait no
[22:45] <Thorn_> reinstalled that box 3 months ago
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> is that on your desktop or server?
[22:46] <Thorn_> server
[22:46] <Thorn_> [ikarus][Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64][Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440][Pilot][Memory used: 2287/7999 Mib][Swap used: 233/1951 Mib][Disk used: 63/873 Gib][Load 0.03][Uptime 37 days, 20:42]
[22:47] <Thorn_> poor uptime because the assholes randomly decided to reboot my server and then denied it...
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> nice server... must be pricey
[22:48] <Thorn_> 39e/mo when i got the contract
[22:48] <Thorn_> they put the prices for that same box up to 89e/mo now, better to just go with hetzner...
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> is that all?
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> hetzner? they have awful reviews
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> but damn... 39e for 8GB of RAM is pretty damn good. I wish that deal was around when I ran the minecraft server >.>
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> some strange headlines today
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Cancer drug trial halted; 'too successful' O_o
[22:57] <IT_Sean> o.O
[22:59] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: eh? they've had that deal for about 3years now.
[22:59] <Thorn_> hetzner are great, i know a lot of people with them and 0 complaints.
[23:00] <Thorn_> the drug was successful at giving people cancer? ;p
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, I guess I wouldn't know since I didn't look in Europe. I needed a server somewhere near the west coast of USA.
[23:01] <Thorn_> 100tb are good too (network anyway, support is shite) but they're located central usa i think.
[23:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I am pretty happy with a linode VPS for now
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[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> and I handed the MC server to some guy in UK who's running it from his basement, so I don't have a need for a lot of RAM anymore.
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[23:30] <Thorn_> i managed to break the website for both farnell and ukrs...
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> uk.farnell.com wasn't working for me either
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I tried to go on there before, so maybe I broke it D=
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> works now
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I fixed it for you
[23:39] <Thorn_> how kind of you!
[23:41] <Thorn_> (it doesnt work)
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly you broke it again
[23:41] <Thorn_> :(
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