#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-10-19

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[0:10] <IT_Sean> no place like
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[9:32] <joukio> moin
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[11:41] <ahven> hello
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[13:59] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[14:31] <IT_Sean> urft...
[14:31] <IT_Sean> this one clinet schedules conference calls like it's a bodily function
[14:31] <ReggieUK> urft?
[14:31] <IT_Sean> yes... urft.
[14:32] <ReggieUK> those damn clinets
[14:32] <IT_Sean> this customer would rather have a conference call w/ tech support (me) for an hour than spoend 5 minuites fixing the problem
[14:32] <IT_Sean> *spend
[14:40] <jzu> IT would be much simpler without users
[14:40] <IT_Sean> it would
[14:41] <IT_Sean> at least without the annoying ones.
[14:44] <ukscone> annoying users == all of them
[14:44] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: +1 (retail electronics too)
[14:44] <ReggieUK> you need a little bell on your desk IT_Sean
[14:44] <ReggieUK> that sounds remarkably like a fire alarm
[14:45] <Soul_Est> ukscone: what about the powerusers?
[14:46] <ukscone> Soul_Est: they are the worst
[14:47] <ukscone> once they are outside their area of expertise they still think they know everythong
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[14:50] <Soul_Est> ukscone: I wouldn't say that for my myself or my friends. We're all still learning even while knowing so much.
[14:52] <ukscone> Soul_Est: not technology related but here is an example
[14:53] <ukscone> i was in hospital a few years ago
[14:53] <ukscone> i had a great surgeon/attending
[14:54] <ukscone> but his boss the cheif of surgery specialisted in baratric surgery
[14:54] <amandarn> hey there
[14:54] <ukscone> he is a great barartric surgeon, has awards and reviews and certification the whole lot
[14:54] <ukscone> but that was all he knew
[14:55] <ukscone> the cheif of surgery wanted to solve my problem with surgery which if he had performed the operation he wanted to do which was outside his spwciality would have killed me
[14:56] <ukscone> but it was the only thing he could think of to do so that was what he was going to do
[14:56] <ukscone> luckily my attending put his foot down and refused to let me be operated on (cost him his job)
[14:57] <ukscone> but the chief of surgery still doens't think he was wrong even though it has been proved that he was and that 9 out of the 10 doctors asked said he was wrong because he wasn't thikign outside his speciality
[14:58] <ukscone> everything was baratric to him even if you had a broken leg
[14:58] <Soul_Est> ukscone: when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I see what you mean.
[14:59] <ukscone> still good friend swith my attending surgeon though and very grateful that he told his boss that he was an idiot and basically moved me to a place of sagfe keeping so his boss couldn't get to me
[14:59] <Soul_Est> ukscone: sad that your attending surgeon had to lose his job like that. he would have made an excellent chief of surgery imo.
[15:00] <IT_Sean> Most of my users are not that bad.
[15:00] <Soul_Est> ukscone: you have some excellent friends in your corner.
[15:00] <ukscone> Soul_Est: he would have done but it wasn't what he wanted to do and he wouldn't have been allowed to become one because he went to the wrong medical school
[15:01] <ukscone> he likes nothing better than crating new medical instruments to use in his surgeries
[15:01] <ukscone> i helped him setup his equipment
[15:02] <ukscone> a nice cad program attached to an x-ray scanner (and mri's too) attached to a 3d printer
[15:02] <Soul_Est> ukscone: that man is a an inventor, a pioneer. one of the reasons i hate incompotent management is that they never appreciate what you do.
[15:03] <ukscone> i'll tell you how good this guy is -- i have no medical insurance and needed meds and liquid meals (ended up with a feeding tube) but couldn't be released home as medicaid wouldn't cover that -- he paid for the woundvac, iv equipment and meds etc out of his pocket
[15:03] <Soul_Est> ukscone: speaking from experience on that last sentence as I'm going through it right now.
[15:04] <ukscone> he leaves trauma surgery next year to run a trial on a patant he has for a way of dealing with cancer tumours after removal by surgery
[15:05] <ukscone> Soul_Est: talking about imcompetant management ( and also people out side their specialization) i ended up quitting a job but with a great severance package becaus eof that in the 80s
[15:06] <ukscone> i was pc support manager at a bank and we were testing a new pc clone thinkign we'd replace all the ibm's with it
[15:06] <joukio> ukscone: wherre are you from? uk ?
[15:06] <ukscone> but there was one piece of s/w that HAD to be run
[15:06] <ukscone> joukio: originally, been in the states for 20 years
[15:06] <IT_Sean> let me guess... it didn't work?
[15:06] <Soul_Est> ukscone: hope i get to meet you both one day. looks like there are many great stories to share.
[15:07] <ukscone> so we installed the s/w and the copy protection (it was lotus123 like)
[15:07] <joukio> ukscone: hmmmm, capitalism, a love story :S :)
[15:07] <ukscone> cause problems also the graphics were screwed up and some other problems
[15:07] <ukscone> so i was sent to take a look and after a day said it was a hardwar eproblem
[15:07] <ukscone> the hardware people went and saod nope it was s/w
[15:08] <ukscone> i double checked and def. a h/w problem
[15:08] <ukscone> h/w ppl said nope s/w
[15:08] <ukscone> so i went to my boss gave him a report and left for a day or so
[15:08] <ukscone> he talked to the h/w ppl and they said s/w
[15:08] <ukscone> boss told me off and told me to fix it
[15:08] <ukscone> i said can't it's h/w
[15:09] <ukscone> he said fix it i said can't h/w prob
[15:09] <ukscone> this went on for 3 weeks and int he end i said ok here is the deal
[15:11] <ukscone> we will bring in the manufacturer, the h/w ppl and me and you are going to sit down and i will prove it's h/w problem BUT if i am wrong you fire me with no termination benefits however if i am right i quit, you payme 3 months salary and a load of other stuff
[15:11] <ukscone> surfice it to say i spent a happy 5 months that summer just bumming aroudn europe on the banks money :)
[15:11] <Soul_Est> ukscone: XD
[15:11] <ukscone> and the h/w subcontravtors were replaced
[15:12] <Soul_Est> ukscone: you pwned them all so hard. what about your ex-boss?
[15:13] <ukscone> i used to spend every sumemr in europe anyway but that year i had more money that i normal;y had :) i'd get a contract or job from octorber to may then spend june through augues tjust traveling aroudn then come back in sept and find another job
[15:13] <ukscone> did that from 84 to 90/91
[15:13] <ukscone> Soul_Est: the bank closed his dept but of course as per normal he was just shuffled sideways
[15:14] <Soul_Est> ukscone: he's a dammit-man
[15:14] <ukscone> merged pc support into network support well pc support had been doing all the network support anyway but he lost his vp title
[15:15] <Soul_Est> ukscone: but he's still getting paid too much.
[15:15] <ukscone> they never fixed the security holes i told them about either, could use the bank network and tied line for another 4 years
[15:15] <ukscone> Soul_Est: yeah but at least i didn't have to deal with him
[15:17] <Soul_Est> ukscone: that's incompotent management for you. unfortunately killed nokia too.
[15:20] <ukscone> yup
[15:21] * Soul_Est can't wait to leave his current job. it's slowly killing his spirit.
[15:24] * amandarn can't wait to finish its studies.
[15:25] <Soul_Est> amandarn: what are you studying? I unfortunately have to go back to school too. :(
[15:25] <amandarn> Soul_Est: computer science and electronics
[15:25] <amandarn> What are you willing to study ,
[15:25] <amandarn> ?*
[15:25] <Soul_Est> me?
[15:25] <amandarn> Yup
[15:26] <Soul_Est> going for electronics engineering this time. did computer networks and electronics engineering before in a a2 year fast track program.
[15:28] <Soul_Est> thought i was done and could get a job without a college diploma since I couldn't afford the clsses i had failed or couldn't take due to fialing the prereqs.
[15:28] <amandarn> Oh, okay
[15:28] <Soul_Est> the college i had went to was private and expensive.
[15:28] <Soul_Est> I won't make that mistake again.
[15:29] <amandarn> I used to study computer science only but went in engineering last year
[15:30] <amandarn> Now i kinda love digital electronics stuff and embedded systems
[15:32] <Soul_Est> amandarn: found that same truth out in the last few sememsters of the program i was in. too late to do anything witht he final project over my head.
[15:33] <amandarn> damn
[15:34] <Soul_Est> amandarn: tried working for my myself earlier this year using what i learned at school. it was great being self employed but it didn't last.
[15:35] <Soul_Est> amandarn: if you get a chance to, self-employment while long and hard at times, does payoff. with extra time for other things usually.
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[15:37] <amandarn> I kinda prefer have a structure in which I can work
[15:37] <amandarn> I used to teach stuff in my previous school, and maybe when i'll be a grown-up, i'd like to teach stuff i like
[15:38] <amandarn> (except i'd prefer not to be a student this time)
[15:38] <amandarn> Have you ever tried teaching ?
[15:38] <Soul_Est> amandarn: i haven't actually. just teaching my siblings computers really.
[15:39] <amandarn> Maybe you should, it's totally gratifying :x
[15:40] <Soul_Est> amandarn: if i could do so with proper equipment, sure. the last school left a bad taste in my mouth with the horrible labs we had to use.
[15:41] <Soul_Est> amandarn: the oscillascopes were fine but the computer systems? X(
[15:41] <amandarn> We have the same problem in my current school, but it's pretty okay
[15:43] <Soul_Est> amandarn: your doesn't waste i hope.
[15:43] <amandarn> I don't understand what you mean
[15:43] <amandarn> (english isn't my native language :x)
[15:44] <Soul_Est> amandarn: sorry i meant your school doesn't waste money i hope.
[15:45] <Soul_Est> amandarn: you deal with english than people who haven't been in a english speaking environment for all of their lives.
[15:46] <amandarn> I learnt in tv series :x
[15:46] <amandarn> My school doesn't have enough money to waste it
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[15:46] <amandarn> Still, we do pretty cool cheap projects
[15:48] <Soul_Est> amandarn: frugal innovations. sounds awesome to me.
[15:48] <amandarn> Well, it kinda is
[15:49] <amandarn> And our student associations also make projects
[15:49] * Soul_Est hates his isp with a passion
[15:50] <Soul_Est> amandarn: that sounds like an excellent school
[15:50] <amandarn> I hope so
[15:50] <amandarn> what's happenning with your isp ?
[15:52] <Soul_Est> they put up a banner saying ive reached 75% percent of my monthly bandwidth usage allowance. as soon as i can afford to im switching. tired of this.
[15:53] <amandarn> Oo limited monthly bandwith ?
[15:53] <amandarn> where does that exist ?
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[16:04] <Soul_Est> Canada unfortunately
[16:05] <Soul_Est> goverment could care less. they want unwarrented internet spying anyway.
[16:05] <ukscone> http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/users-programmers/
[16:06] <Soul_Est> still makes me laugh. it's so true.
[16:06] <amandarn> so true
[16:08] <amandarn> Reminds me a little of the "numlock bug"
[16:08] <amandarn> You know, when a user calls you because he "cannot write any number"
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[16:24] <ukscone> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/galleries/mug_shirts_hilarious_mug_shot_tshirts/mug_shirts_hilarious_mug_shot_tshirts.html
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[17:32] <IT_Sean> !w
[17:32] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Wed Oct 19 18:53:00 2011. Temp 59??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 96%. Later 61??F - 54??F. Condition: Rain
[17:32] <PiBot> Thu: High 65??F Low 41??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[17:32] <PiBot> Fri: High 58??F Low 41??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[17:32] <PiBot> Sat: High 56??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[17:32] <IT_Sean> :/
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[17:53] * IT_Sean sticks an earbud in his left ear, puts his iPod on random, and goes back to testing new device firmware
[17:57] <traeak> !w
[17:57] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Oct 19 14:53:00 2011. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%. Later 16??C - 1??C. Condition: Clear
[17:57] <traeak> nice weather for shorts
[17:58] <IT_Sean> BRRRR!
[17:58] <IT_Sean> needs to be about 9 or 10 degrees warmer 'fore i'd put shorts on
[17:59] <GeDaMo> traeak: I believe they like to be called 'little people' :P
[17:59] <IT_Sean> that was poor
[18:00] <GeDaMo> Yeah :(
[18:01] <atts> !w
[18:01] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on Wed Oct 19 18:56:00 2011. Temp 55??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 94%. Later 59??F - 56??F. Condition: Rain
[18:01] <PiBot> Thu: High 67??F Low 49??F :Condition Chance of Rain
[18:01] <PiBot> Fri: High 61??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:01] <PiBot> Sat: High 59??F Low 41??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:12] <acfrazier> !w
[18:12] <acfrazier> !w 15220
[18:12] <PiBot> acfrazier: in Pittsburgh, PA on Wed Oct 19 14:53:00 2011. Temp 64??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 65%. Later 65??F - 45??F. Condition: Chance of Storm
[18:13] <Soul_Est> !w
[18:13] <acfrazier> only works if it can figure out your location based on IP
[18:13] <acfrazier> otherwise specify ZIP.
[18:13] <IT_Sean> you need to specify a location
[18:13] <Soul_Est> thanks acfrazier
[18:13] <Soul_Est> !w L4T4H2
[18:13] <PiBot> Soul_Est: in Mississauga, ON on Wed Oct 19 15:43:00 2011. Temp 52??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 76%. Later 57??F - 50??F. Condition: Chance of Rain
[18:15] <traeak> IT_Sean: you've never lived in almost desert conditions
[18:16] <traeak> IT_Sean: here you can wear shorts when it's 0 or less...it's not uncommon to see people wear shorts at all
[18:16] <IT_Sean> brrr
[18:16] <IT_Sean> anything below ~70F is not shorts weather
[18:16] <GeDaMo> !w
[18:16] <traeak> i grew up in the st louis area, 50F is cold there
[18:16] <traeak> here? it's very nice weather
[18:17] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: +1
[18:17] <traeak> !w
[18:17] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Oct 19 14:53:00 2011. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%. Later 16??C - 1??C. Condition: Clear
[18:18] <traeak> like i'm wearing shorts today and went into work, it doesn't feel cold atall outside
[18:18] <traeak> i'm surprised its only 3C
[18:18] <traeak> hmm
[18:18] <traeak> no wind helps a ton
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[19:13] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[19:29] * IT_Sean is on a support call, but really needs a pee
[19:31] <GeDaMo> Tell them you have to consult with a colleague
[19:31] <IT_Sean> heh
[19:32] <GeDaMo> :P
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[19:46] <IT_Sean> <.<
[19:46] <IT_Sean> >.>
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> time on this call: 48 minutes
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[19:52] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[19:53] <GeDaMo> I'm assuming PiBot is a bot
[19:53] <IT_Sean> no, you think?
[19:53] <GeDaMo> :P
[19:53] <ShiftPlusOne> GeDaMo, everyone here is a bot.
[19:54] <GeDaMo> Excellent! I'll fit right in then :P
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> So what's new in the raspberry pi world?
[19:54] <IT_Sean> frosting
[19:54] <Soul_Est> were all itching to have a byte of raspberry pi
[19:54] <IT_Sean> we now put frosting on our raspberry pies
[19:55] <Soul_Est> new flashier crust
[19:55] <IT_Sean> aye
[19:55] <IT_Sean> improved crust too
[19:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice.. have the qemu-using people figured out how to change the bloody resolution? >_<
[19:55] <traeak> be interesting to see how many ppl who buy r-pis will actually deploy them
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> deploy how?
[19:56] * IT_Sean plans to deploy one to his home office, for tinkering with
[19:56] <traeak> deploy them away from a cardboard box that sits in a corner somewhere
[19:56] <traeak> with other electronic toys
[19:57] <GeDaMo> I wondered about using one as a dedicated video phone for computophobe relatives
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> skype seems to be easy for people to use
[19:58] <GeDaMo> But it involves having a computer :P
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[19:58] <IT_Sean> raspi + skype + webcam + tv seems a good start. Need a mic too
[19:58] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: dunno about the resolution yet
[19:58] <Soul_Est> my first model b will be a print server
[19:58] <Soul_Est> using linux + cups
[19:59] <GeDaMo> Webcams usually have mics, no?
[19:59] * Soul_Est hopes the drives he just repaired will bloody work now
[19:59] <Soul_Est> GeDaMo: depends
[20:00] <Soul_Est> GeDaMo: most do tho
[20:01] <traeak> IT_Sean: webcam/mic combo isn't unusual
[20:01] <traeak> IT_Sean: i mean using USB, not separate analog mic cable
[20:02] <GeDaMo> It's just a vague idea at the moment, I have an aunt and uncle whose granddaughters recently moved away
[20:02] <Soul_Est> traeak: true but the built in ones aren't sensitive enough for long range (10') recording
[20:03] <IT_Sean> right
[20:03] <traeak> Soul_Est: very true...a 42" TV and a USB webcam probably aren't a good match
[20:03] <IT_Sean> there is that
[20:03] <traeak> kinect! (hehe)
[20:08] <Soul_Est> traeak: sounds good to me. needs near raw quality video/audio stream and excellent connection i think.
[20:08] <traeak> 25USD for rpi and 150USD kinect that's kind of ridiculous
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, sure, but you're forgetting the shipping. >.>
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's if it was shipped from USA... luckily it won't be. =)
[20:09] <traeak> kinect or ?
[20:10] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: it's more fun to deal in ballpark figures anyways
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> raspberry pi.... if I wanted it shipped from US it would probably cost as much as a kinect >=/
[20:11] <Soul_Est> if kinect is used for video conferencing. that'll be an excellent balancing act
[20:11] <Soul_Est> the bandwidth may be more than whathe the rpi can provide
[20:11] <IT_Sean> does the kinect have a full color camera!?
[20:11] <Soul_Est> the bandwidth needed may be more than what the the rpi can provide
[20:12] <IT_Sean> I thought it was just apair of IR cameras for motion tracking
[20:12] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: the kinect has two cameras
[20:12] <Soul_Est> one ir and one colour
[20:12] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[20:12] <traeak> rpi is being shipped from UK
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, yup and UK shipping costs are reasonable
[20:13] * Soul_Est goes to test repaired harddrives.
[20:14] <Soul_Est> i need a better laptop. the screen in this one fails so hard
[20:14] <traeak> Soul_Est: in the US ?
[20:15] <Soul_Est> traeak: no Canada. I was looking at the Sony VAIO Z212GB but the thing costs $2000 CAD. X(
[20:15] <traeak> i'm very sure people will hook an R-PI up to a kinect but that would be for interface research stuff
[20:16] <Soul_Est> everyone, take a look at www.nuigroup.com
[20:16] <traeak> Soul_Est: you're too high end...i'm considering a 11.6" i3-330um for $299 just wish it had usb3
[20:17] <Soul_Est> traeak: i like to go for something that will last. it'll cost a lot but I'll have it for years. hopefully a decade or more
[20:18] <Soul_Est> traeak: and the cooling system is much better than what's not cooling my late-2006 model MacBook now.
[20:19] <traeak> Soul_Est: heh, understood entirely, but you must realize anything today is pure junk speed wise in 2 years
[20:19] <traeak> Soul_Est: and at work we have a couple of core i7 laptops that run the ram at 120C+ when loaded
[20:19] <Soul_Est> traeak: i'm not going for full blown multimedia or gaming.
[20:21] <Soul_Est> traeak: i just want a fast enough system with more than enough ram and a decent sized SSD. i prefer ArchLinux so I know I won't need to powerful a system.
[20:21] <traeak> Soul_Est: I run arch on all my lappies as well
[20:22] <Soul_Est> traeak: have you tried archbang?
[20:22] <Soul_Est> traeak: been testing that out on the demos system at the sony store and I spooked the associates. XD
[20:23] <traeak> Soul_Est: no i haven't....i typically put xfce on them
[20:23] <Soul_Est> traeak: been testing that out on the demo systems (SA ans Z2 especially) at the sony store and I spooked the associates. XD
[20:23] <traeak> Soul_Est: my wife also uses the netbooks so i can't treat it like my dev box
[20:23] <Soul_Est> traeak: I stick with OpenBox, Fluxbox or XMonad where i can
[20:24] <Soul_Est> traeak: i make my systems an absolute nightmare for others to use. same for every device i own.
[20:25] <Soul_Est> traeak: my mom is scared of even touching my workstation. she took down X last time she was on it.
[20:26] <traeak> Soul_Est: my weapon of choice is windowmaker for dev work...
[20:26] <traeak> i reject the windows paradigm utterly
[20:26] * IT_Sean pops an earbud in and rocks out a bit
[20:27] <IT_Sean> traeak: GOOD! :p Windows = teh ebil!
[20:27] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: welcome to the music party!
[20:27] <IT_Sean> I'm at work, so i can't rock out too much, but... :p
[20:28] <traeak> the status bar at the bottom of fluxbox/openbox or whatever reminds way too much of windows
[20:28] <IT_Sean> I can only have one earbud in so i can still hear the phone and such
[20:29] <IT_Sean> I wish i didn't have to run Windows at work
[20:29] <Soul_Est> openbox has no status bar
[20:29] <Soul_Est> fluxbox does
[20:29] <IT_Sean> but... without a status bar, how do you know the... um... status? :p
[20:29] <IT_Sean> huh!? huh?
[20:29] <traeak> looking at the archbang website :-p
[20:30] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: thats what conky is for :P
[20:31] <IT_Sean> booooooooooooo! I ran out of tracks on the album i was listening to :/
[20:31] <IT_Sean> Soul_Est: aaah... right.
[20:32] <traeak> i run gkrell
[20:32] <Soul_Est> traeak: i checked it out on the VAIO SA and Z2 at the nearest sony store, unnerved the associates and found out that the Z2's panel is like my CRT
[20:32] * IT_Sean makes a mental note to add more music to his iPod
[20:33] <Soul_Est> traeak: in terms of color reproduction
[20:33] * Soul_Est hates ipods
[20:33] <IT_Sean> um.... ooohkay
[20:34] <traeak> Soul_Est: what type of work you do that needs accurate color?
[20:34] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: sorry, just had too many bad happenings with them and itunes. happened to my friends and they keep asking me about since I'm the tech guy.
[20:35] <IT_Sean> okay. fair 'nuff
[20:35] <IT_Sean> I happen to like mine
[20:36] <traeak> nice thing about not running windows on any of my machines...i deny any knowledge of windows whatsoever :-p
[20:36] <Soul_Est> traeak: I create logos, banners, wallpapers, in my spare time.
[20:36] <Soul_Est> traeak: it's one of my hobbies
[20:36] <traeak> makes life far more tranquil
[20:36] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:37] <Soul_Est> traeak: i do that too.
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone sciencey here?
[20:39] <traeak> what you mean "sciencey" ?
[20:39] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: in which way?
[20:39] * IT_Sean puts on a lab coat and eyegoggles
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> would anyone happen to know how electrons move within an atom?
[20:40] <IT_Sean> don't they sort of spin 'round one another?
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I know the traditional, simplified model is simple orbits, but I am guessing that's not quite right
[20:40] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: around the nuclues
[20:40] <IT_Sean> ooooh... right... 'round the nucu... nucl... bit in the middle.
[20:40] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: they move so quickly, it's more like a cloud since tracking them is insanely hard
[20:41] <traeak> basically i'd have to do what you should do...wikipedia or search engine
[20:41] <traeak> there's quantum levels and spin polarity, etc
[20:41] <IT_Sean> Google is your friend
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but it is a smooth movement or do they jump around randomly in a fuzzy way?
[20:41] <Soul_Est> traeak: +1 those too
[20:42] <traeak> the radius of the orbit is generally discrete
[20:42] <traeak> just pulling this crap from memory :-p
[20:43] * IT_Sean watches an exceptionally large file slowly creep out of the wide format plotter down the corridor and roll up into a lumpy tube on the floor
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, is it not actually shells rather than simple orbit? For example the moon orbits Earth in a simple, predictable way. It is my understanding that the location of electrons is based on probabilities, so we define an area within which the electron is most likely to be which forms a shell.
[20:45] <traeak> yes, i was looking into the most recent research on how they are able to define the orbit
[20:45] <traeak> i believe there's a problem with observing an electron's spin behavior
[20:45] <IT_Sean> electrons are really really tiny. Hard to see.
[20:45] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> So if we slapped Heisenberg in the face and knew the location and momentum of an electron, would the electron continue to orbit like a planet, or would it jump around to another 'probable' location?
[20:47] <IT_Sean> the REAL question is... if you slapped Heisenberg in the face, would HE jump to a different orbit!?
[20:47] <traeak> apparently electrons have real angular momentum
[20:48] <traeak> so theoretically if you have a proper model you should be able to predict where an electron should go :-p
[20:48] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, do we have a proper model? I am pretty sure it's in the field of quantum physics which deals with probabilities rather than any exact locations.
[20:49] <traeak> ahh the fun of quantum physics
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah... I was fascinated by quantum entanglement so I started studying QM... then realised it's all mathematical formulae and there's no real way to interpret them and gave up =/
[20:51] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: i dont blame you one bit
[20:51] <traeak> it's all tied to the wierdness of photons, etc
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well electrons too... they also act as waves or particles in strange ways.
[20:52] <traeak> so yes, probability models are what are used for practical applications
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> so then if I want to animate an 'accurate' model of an atom, I should probably give up and use orbitals instead... got it.
[20:54] <traeak> dunno :-p
[20:54] <Soul_Est> traeak: i think we may leave him as confused as the quantum physics formulae
[20:57] <traeak> yeah and that's the fun of the probability model, it's hand waving
[20:58] <GeDaMo> Drowning, not waving :P
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[21:10] <traeak> http://liliputing.com/2011/10/arm-introduces-cortex-a7-low-power-chips-for-sub-100-smartphones.html
[21:11] <traeak> 20% the die space of a cortex a8
[21:12] <Soul_Est> traeak: nice! maybe that may end up in the rpi2.
[22:13] <DaQatz> Interesting, still not cheap enough for pi though
[22:43] <traeak> also i doubt they would pair this up with a very powerful core
[22:43] <traeak> although i could see vidcore paired up with a cortex a7 core
[22:43] <traeak> so yes there's a possibility this could end up in a future rpi
[22:49] * ctyler uploads a short video of Fedora ARM on RaspPi to youtube ... very slowly
[22:54] <Soul_Est> the only i see coming after arm11 is the cortex-a series unless theres something lower-end than that
[23:15] <traeak> the link is to cortex-a7 which is exactly that
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[23:16] <traeak> lowest end cortex-a spec it says "20%" the size of cortex a8, has neon unit
[23:16] <traeak> does that mean 20% number of transistors? you might hope so
[23:16] <traeak> armv7
[23:18] <ctyler> Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi: http://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/256-.html
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[23:42] <Soul_Est> looking good ctyler!
[23:42] <Soul_Est> ctyler: too bad i cant pop in and take a look at it myself.
[23:43] <ctyler> you're somewhere around this part of the world, no?
[23:43] <Soul_Est> ctyler: i'll see if i can make it to fsoss
[23:44] <ctyler> 2D video is the sticking point at present, but I think we have a plan for that.
[23:46] <Soul_Est> excellent

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