#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-10-20

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[1:10] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[8:24] <DaQatz> Soo quiet
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[8:29] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[13:03] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[13:05] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, as you may be aware, we started some ircd upgrades a while back and had to halt half-way through. We've now implemented some fixes, and we would appreciate your help in testing things. Please check out http://announce.freenode.net and lend us a hand! Thank you for using freenode and have a great day!
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[14:34] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[15:24] <IT_Sean> Tehehe... someone came into my companies live help chat and tried to get us to help him cheat on his CCNA test
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[15:51] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[15:53] <IT_Sean> brb
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[15:54] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
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[17:40] <traeak> !w
[17:40] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Oct 20 13:53:00 2011. Temp 7??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 40%. Later 19??C - 2??C. Condition: Clear
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[18:03] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[18:24] <DaQatz> !w
[18:24] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Oct 20 20:51:00 2011. Temp 55??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 100%. Later 67??F - 47??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[18:24] <PiBot> Fri: High 61??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:24] <PiBot> Sat: High 59??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:24] <PiBot> Sun: High 58??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:25] <IT_Sean> !w
[18:25] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Thu Oct 20 19:53:00 2011. Temp 62??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 62%. Later 63??F - 41??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny
[18:25] <PiBot> Fri: High 58??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:25] <PiBot> Sat: High 61??F Low 38??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:25] <PiBot> Sun: High 58??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:25] <IT_Sean> sunny, but cool this weekend.
[18:26] <Shift_> !w
[18:26] <Shift_> .... >=/
[18:26] <IT_Sean> try specifying a postcode
[18:27] <IT_Sean> !w 06320
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[18:27] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in New London, CT on Thu Oct 20 19:56:00 2011. Temp 66??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%. Later 70??F - 47??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[18:27] <PiBot> Fri: High 61??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:27] <PiBot> Sat: High 61??F Low 43??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:27] <PiBot> Sun: High 61??F Low 43??F :Condition Clear
[18:27] <IT_Sean> like that
[18:27] <IT_Sean> Damn... 70F in New London!!!! :/
[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> !w
[18:27] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne: in Seaford, VIC on Fri Oct 21 08:00:00 2011. Temp 15??C. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 94%.
[18:27] <PiBot> Sat: High 21??C Low 10??C :Condition Partly Sunny
[18:27] <PiBot> Sun: High 27??C Low 13??C :Condition Clear
[18:27] <PiBot> Mon: High 17??C Low 10??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[18:27] <PiBot> Fri: High 20??C Low 12??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> there we go
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> hot and humid... awesome =/
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> well Sunday anyway.... luckily it's not 35+ degress yet
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> (because everyone cares about my weather ramblings)
[18:37] <traeak> !w
[18:37] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Oct 20 14:53:00 2011. Temp 13??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 28%. Later 19??C - 2??C. Condition: Clear
[18:42] <DaQatz> Muammar Qaddafi is dead
[18:42] <traeak> not sure that's going to improve anything in libya
[18:51] <Skummel> !w
[18:56] <atts> !w
[18:56] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on Thu Oct 20 19:56:00 2011. Temp 61??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 94%. Later 70??F - 47??F. Condition: Chance of Showers
[18:56] <PiBot> Fri: High 63??F Low 45??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:56] <PiBot> Sat: High 61??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:56] <PiBot> Sun: High 58??F Low 40??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
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[20:51] <friggle> sounds neat http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Qt_5_on_Raspberry_Pi
[20:51] <DaQatz> Nice =)
[20:52] <friggle> 7 seconds to command line is very impressive. I don't think anyone else has looked in to boot speed much yet
[20:53] <DaQatz> When they start selling there will be lots of people working on that I'm sure.
[20:53] <friggle> for sure
[20:54] <traeak> as much as i dislike qt this looks like a pretty slick platform
[20:54] <traeak> rpi is something linux has never had before
[20:54] <traeak> a standard platform to target
[20:54] <DaQatz> I like qt slightly more then gtk
[20:54] <DaQatz> Only because it crosses platforms better
[20:55] <traeak> mentioned this before but mycompany holds teh first 2 qt licenses sold
[20:55] <traeak> that being said we stopped developing with qt about 4 years ago because of some issues, which they still haven't resolved
[20:56] <friggle> traeak: can I ask what?
[20:56] <friggle> the moc puts me off qt
[20:56] <traeak> friggle: performance for software that requires CAD type interfaces, and especially stuff that requires display export over a network
[20:57] <DaQatz> Hmm
[20:57] <DaQatz> What do you use now?
[20:57] <traeak> basically when i'm running stuff over X11, displaying imagery and doing rubber band operations or picking points
[20:57] <traeak> i dont' expect a 1-2s lag on responsiveness
[20:57] <DaQatz> Oi
[20:57] <DaQatz> That is a lot
[20:57] <traeak> yeah
[20:57] <traeak> well
[20:57] <traeak> it only sucks about 30-40MB/s sustained network traffic
[20:58] <traeak> just to handle that stuff
[20:58] <traeak> since uor stuff is pretty engineering level we've gone over to fltk
[20:58] <traeak> not that fltk doesn't have its own problems
[20:58] <traeak> but it's fast, predictable and *orthogonal*
[20:58] <traeak> i wrote an automatic layout engine for fltk which uses font metrics
[20:58] <friggle> I've found the GTKmm API fairly pleasant
[20:59] <traeak> fltk is blazing fast and blazingly light
[20:59] <traeak> takes 30s to compile the whole damn thing
[20:59] <traeak> you WONT be able to compile qt on an rpi
[20:59] <friggle> well, you just need a bit of patience ;)
[20:59] <traeak> yeah many hours
[20:59] <DaQatz> And lots of swap
[21:00] <traeak> maybe days
[21:00] <DaQatz> qt compile really eats the ram.
[21:00] <friggle> I end up using Tk more than I like to admit
[21:00] <DaQatz> traeak, I have compiled qt4 on a 700mhz x86 took hours not days
[21:00] <traeak> i'm sad fltk kind of "froze"
[21:00] <traeak> i have a 2.4GHz core2 quad
[21:01] <traeak> using 1 cpu on it 19s to compile fltk from scratch
[21:01] <traeak> test programs and gui builder included
[21:01] <DaQatz> fltk isn't pretty, but it's very quick and functional
[21:01] <traeak> hmm
[21:01] <traeak> 9s using 12 threads
[21:01] <traeak> sry it's a dual core 2 quad
[21:01] <traeak> using fltk2
[21:02] <friggle> did you evaluate Gtk/Gtkmm? wxWidgets?
[21:02] <traeak> it would be nice to have something newer
[21:02] <traeak> perhaps steal from enlightenment
[21:02] <traeak> wxwidgets...grr
[21:02] <traeak> fox
[21:02] <friggle> though wxpython looks nice, from what I've seen of the C++ API that's not so pleasant
[21:02] <traeak> gtk sucks for cross platform
[21:02] <traeak> fltk has almost no dependencies
[21:03] <traeak> and i can statically link my apps
[21:03] <traeak> that's important
[21:03] <DaQatz> wxwidgets is good for cross platform. Though at times it can be... unpredictable.
[21:03] <friggle> ah yes. I used GTKmm on OSX and even that was a pain. The Quartz backend was sort of buggy at the time
[21:04] <traeak> DaQatz: wxwidgets is like qt, you're just trading headache for headache
[21:04] <traeak> both of them suffer from over engineering and baggage and cruftiness
[21:04] <friggle> hmm, I'll have to look in to FLTK. I could do with a GUI system that just works on any system, being able to statically compile it is nice
[21:04] <traeak> not saying fltk doesn't either
[21:04] <traeak> friggle: fltk isn't any panacea either
[21:04] <traeak> and its not pretty
[21:04] <traeak> fltk3 is prettier
[21:04] <traeak> but in development
[21:04] <traeak> i'm just never pleased :-p
[21:05] <friggle> traeak: yeah, all I'd want is something ugly that happens to work. Lua+luatcltk is what I tend to use for throwing up GUIs. Tk is great on windows and OSX (as of recently, it actually looks native on those platforms)
[21:05] <traeak> there a lua fltk maybe?
[21:05] <friggle> well that's the thing with widget toolkits. Nobody really solves all the problems (and arguably it's impossible to solve them all at once)
[21:06] <friggle> there is, and based on your recommendation I shall be looking into it :)
[21:06] <traeak> and you have to "invest" in one before you learn what sucks about it
[21:06] <traeak> what pissed me off most about Qt
[21:06] <traeak> is i've written 3 different image measurement engines with Qt
[21:06] <traeak> and done it 3 different ways
[21:06] <traeak> because Qt allows that
[21:06] <traeak> it's *not* a good sign
[21:07] <traeak> and our experience with bugs in Qt was related to that...they fix one thing it breaks something else
[21:07] <traeak> but
[21:07] <traeak> wxwidgets has similar problems
[21:08] <traeak> anyways, qt is fine for simple stuff, except for all the baggage
[21:08] <traeak> and moc, etc
[21:08] <friggle> well high quality bindings from other languages matters quite a lot to me. I've been interested in the work Gtk have been doing for automatically generated bindings based on XML interface descriptions ('GIR files'). Not looked in to it for a while though
[21:08] <traeak> friggle: that will drive what you need then
[21:09] <traeak> enlightenment may be intersting long term maybe
[21:09] <traeak> i hate taht it's 'c' but that's least common denom
[21:10] <friggle> yeah, though it feels like that's been in development for ever
[21:11] <traeak> raster isn't a "finisher"
[21:11] <traeak> http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News
[21:11] <traeak> but etk does do opengles 2.0
[21:12] <traeak> evas i mean
[21:12] <friggle> yeah, but cairo does too by now doesn't it? in git at least
[21:12] <traeak> how does vidcore compare with powervr ?
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[21:13] <traeak> probably should ask someone to run the evas benches with and without opengl-es 2.0
[21:15] <friggle> hmm, hopefully the Enlightenment people will be inspired to do something like people are doing for Qt5 (use it as a platform to showcase their toolkit)
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[21:16] <traeak> e17 is the toolkit for BADA
[21:16] <traeak> samsung is sponsoring it
[21:17] <traeak> should blow qt out of the water for resource usage
[21:17] <friggle> yeah, I was aware Samsung were sponsoring development. I thought it was just Tvs and the like though
[21:17] <traeak> on the gui side at least
[21:17] <traeak> low end phones as well
[21:19] <friggle> traeak: I have an alpha board. Can't say I'll have much time in the near future to look at EVAS benchmarks, but I'll add it to my "list of things which would be interesting to look at"
[21:20] <traeak> ahh cool
[21:20] <traeak> :-p
[21:20] <traeak> so most people with alpha boards are doing real work
[21:21] <friggle> well I'm a PhD student if you call that "real work" ;)
[21:21] <traeak> heh
[21:22] <traeak> not sure...almost all phd code i've seen is suspect :-p
[21:22] <traeak> and they aren't good at writing robust algorithms
[21:22] <traeak> too much ivory tower crap :-p
[21:23] <friggle> :)
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[21:32] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[21:33] <ukscone> acfrazier: that you who won the digiket twivia thing?
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[21:37] <acfrazier> ukscone, yes.
[21:37] <acfrazier> I was like.. wat
[21:37] <acfrazier> curious as to what I won.
[21:39] <acfrazier> that's also scary that people know who I am, heh
[21:42] <ukscone> heh
[21:42] <ukscone> although i would actually argue that feldspar is wrong
[21:43] <ukscone> there are several actual choices and it all depends on the exact phrasing of the question and the one that they used it should have been olivine
[21:43] <ukscone> and feldspar is a collection of minerals not a single type
[21:44] <acfrazier> right, but it depends on your definition of minerals
[21:44] <acfrazier> so, I just took a stab.
[21:44] <ukscone> but not going to argue with them :) -- one thing i have noticed with digikey they will only let you win once (except for some exceptions) even though they claim it is random
[21:45] <acfrazier> hm.
[21:45] <acfrazier> that would explain a lot then
[21:45] <acfrazier> before today I have never entered a contest of theirs
[21:45] <acfrazier> actually that's not true
[21:45] <ukscone> make sure they double check your address they screwed up when i won and used a completly different address to the one i gave them and took me several weeks to actually get my prize because they said they'd sent it and someone had signed for it
[21:45] <acfrazier> I entered their facebook contest for a beagleboard xM
[21:46] <acfrazier> ukscone, if they use the same address they sent my maker faire tickets to it should get here
[21:46] <ukscone> there are a few ppl that seem to win every month, then some that win by changing their twitter name (not sure that actually works in the end though) then the rest of us :)
[21:46] <traeak> wuts digikey?
[21:46] <ukscone> i need to win again soon, the digikey note book is almost out of paper
[21:47] <acfrazier> lol
[21:47] <ukscone> acfrazier: they didn't do a photo of the prizes today as far as i saw. do you know what you won?
[21:48] <ukscone> i got a waterbottle, 500MB flash drive, micro leatherman and notebook and pen
[21:48] <acfrazier> zero ides
[21:48] <acfrazier> idea*
[21:48] <ukscone> traeak: it's a electronics parts supplier
[21:48] <ukscone> http://www.digikey.com
[21:49] <acfrazier> they are also in the UK I thought
[21:49] <acfrazier> yep
[21:49] <acfrazier> http://www.digikey.co.uk/
[21:49] <acfrazier> different twitter though
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[21:53] <ukscone> well anyway acfrazier congrats and hope the prize is a good one
[21:53] <wcchandler> I hate to ask the question -- but any idea on when in november it's planning to start shipping/orders? My default inclination is to assume Nov 30th and hope for sooner
[21:54] <traeak> wcchandler: you mean you didn't get yours yet ?
[21:54] <wcchandler> :P
[21:55] <ukscone> wcchandler: 11:59.599999pm GMT Nove 30th
[21:56] <ukscone> actually reading between the lines i'd think more like dec 10th
[21:56] <ukscone> but that's still well inside the 4th quarter
[21:56] <traeak> i'd say more like Dec 26th
[21:56] <traeak> and since they're only running 10k
[21:56] <traeak> good luck :-p
[21:57] <traeak> 10k of which board, who knowz?
[22:00] <ukscone> traeak: it's 10k combined
[22:01] <ukscone> around 3500 a's the rest b's if what has been said in the forum is correct
[22:01] <ukscone> traeak: and that
[22:01] <ukscone> s just to get it all up and running
[22:01] <traeak> oops looks like i missed some stuff
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[22:01] <ukscone> once they have the system down pat it'll be a continioous process. maybe a day a month on the assembly line
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[22:02] <ukscone> really thee only reason to rush to get one of the first batch is for bragging rights and to have it in your hand immediatly to start workign with it. i might just go for one of each and then wait for a later run to get the amount i want
[22:03] <traeak> you'd hope they would limit orders on the first batch to try to spread them around more
[22:05] <ukscone> traeak: well the first two weeks is buy one, give one which will limit it a bit and i think they are thinking of limiting number you can order initially
[22:06] <traeak> well i probably wont' be in that batch...i have a project kicking in pretty soon that will run into january
[22:06] <traeak> unless i get ahead of teh project and burn out...
[22:07] <traeak> btw, can anything be ripped off from the roku guys?
[22:07] <traeak> drivers, blobs, etc ?
[22:07] <acfrazier> heh, reversing the "MobileObliterator" function in iDevices is quite hilarious
[22:08] <acfrazier> before it resets the device it adds a log message with a quote from pulp fiction.
[22:08] <acfrazier> logText("obliterate", "And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee");
[22:12] <friggle> traeak: well it's only the roku2 which is based on the same broadcom chip, and it doesn't look like anyone's made much progress on reversing that
[22:13] <friggle> I don't see a real benefit though
[22:22] <traeak> just saw that the roku downloads an image on boot
[22:24] <friggle> wow, that's paranoid
[22:25] <friggle> I think a hacked Onlive microconsole would be fun http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2011/02/teardown-of-the-onlive-gaming-system/ particularly as they're often sold subsidised
[22:27] <traeak> dunno anything about that marvell SOC
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[23:28] <friggle> power supply confirmed as 5V micro USB http://www.raspberrypi.org/?p=260
[23:35] <traeak> nice
[23:35] <traeak> how many watts
[23:35] <friggle> well Eben suggests 700mA at 5V for model B so 3.5W
[23:36] <traeak> i see that
[23:36] <traeak> hmm
[23:37] <traeak> i have a 7yro samsung phone here...the wall wart is 700mA at 5V
[23:37] <traeak> just some dumb flip phone
[23:37] <traeak> probably safe to say any smartphone charger should do this
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[23:37] <friggle> my kindle adapter is 0.85A
[23:37] <acfrazier> heh
[23:38] <acfrazier> worst case I have a 10W iPad charger.
[23:38] <traeak> what's standard for microusb ?
[23:38] <traeak> non charger i mean
[23:38] <acfrazier> though, it puts out 5.1V @ 2.1A
[23:38] <acfrazier> wonder if the .1V would burn anything out
[23:38] <traeak> 500mA
[23:38] <friggle> suitable power supplies should be *really* cheap. As in a couple of pounds.
[23:39] <traeak> easy one....go to dealextreme
[23:39] <traeak> and gotten from *anywhere*
[23:41] <traeak> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s-ac-charger-for-samsung-i9000-i8000-i9020-epic-4g-2-round-pin-plug-ac-100-240v-59503
[23:41] <traeak> continental
[23:42] <traeak> i sure hope they use a re-inforced connectory
[23:42] <traeak> i'm not real pleased with the durability of microusb
[23:43] <traeak> the huge kicker here is
[23:43] <traeak> the dollar store used to sell microusb cables
[23:43] <GeDaMo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Micro-USB-Mains-Charger/dp/B0028QHJSK
[23:43] <traeak> so for developer purposes you just use a spare PC usb port for powering the dumb thing
[23:44] <traeak> and it saves them money on the rpi power inputs since microusb is by spec 5V
[23:44] <traeak> anyways
[23:44] <friggle> seems like a win all round to me
[23:44] <traeak> might piss some ppl off since an rpi with out USB peripherals can run off 3V or something like that
[23:44] <traeak> but they weren't being helped anyways
[23:45] <traeak> yes a win
[23:45] <traeak> absolutely less then 10USD
[23:45] <friggle> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICRO-CABLE-USB-2-1-MAINS-CHARGER-LG-OPTIMUS-3D-BLACK-ME-POP-GD510-S310-/380373559291?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item589007e7fb#ht_1978wt_886
[23:45] <traeak> ugh fleabay
[23:46] <acfrazier> here's the problem though
[23:46] <acfrazier> if you use a model B, can't power it off your desktop since it'll ask for more than spec
[23:46] <traeak> use a double tap cable ?
[23:46] <traeak> wonder how available those are
[23:49] <traeak> http://www.amazon.com/Blackberry-Charger-Adapter-Power-Storm2/dp/B00474KHBW/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1319147327&sr=1-2
[23:50] <GeDaMo> Shipping's more than the charger :|
[23:50] <traeak> also you get automatic access to solar cell phone chargers
[23:50] <acfrazier> looking at that $2.50 one in the images it's cheaply made.
[23:50] <zear> speaking of the usb chargers.. i have a bad experience with the chinese ones
[23:51] <acfrazier> they're all chinese
[23:51] <zear> the ones they'd add to the dingoo A320 would burst in flames soon after connecting them
[23:51] <acfrazier> just depends who makes 'em
[23:52] <traeak> the best decision was definitely made here for availability and cost
[23:52] <friggle> yeah, though you dangerous wall warts too
[23:52] <zear> btw, we're talking about micro usb chargers, not mini usb, right?
[23:53] <zear> because i haven't yet seen a device that would use the micro usb standard for charging, it's all mini usb here
[23:53] <traeak> huh?
[23:53] <traeak> the europeans pushed for cell phone standardization on micro usb
[23:53] <friggle> traeak: yeah, and the adapter I've got with my alpha board is a kettle lead -> power supply -> raspi. Loads of space compared to just e.g. a kindle charger -> usb -> raspi
[23:54] <zear> traeak, weird, out of the 3 phones i have, they all use mini usb
[23:54] <zear> traeak, unless microusb was pushed like yesterday
[23:54] <friggle> zear: mini usb was popular for a while, but it's all going micro usb now. As traeak and and the blog post say, it's a new standard for mobile phones in Europe and I think China
[23:54] <traeak> http://www.gsm.org/our-work/mobile_planet/universal_charging_solution.htm
[23:54] <zear> friggle, ah, so hopefully i should be able to get a charger locally
[23:55] <traeak> and the US follows
[23:55] <traeak> they *say* microusb is more durable than mini
[23:55] <traeak> i have my doubts honestly
[23:55] <friggle> zear: almost definitely. Popular devices like the kindle use micro usb charging too
[23:55] <zear> pardon my ignorance when it comes to power usage, but since the power limits are mentioned in the newest blog post, will a situation of 2 usb gamepads and 1080p be posssible at the same time?
[23:55] <traeak> kindle, nook color
[23:55] <friggle> traeak: yeah me too. Mini usb just feels more robust to me
[23:55] <traeak> they mention "high power" usb peripherals
[23:56] <friggle> not that I've had bad experiences iwth ports breaking on either
[23:56] <traeak> a gamepad isn't going to pull 500mA
[23:56] <traeak> my n900 charging port is toast
[23:56] <traeak> i have to swap batteries on it
[23:56] <traeak> a usb hard drive is allowed to pull 500mA
[23:57] <traeak> a hard drive with a "y cable" can burst to 1A
[23:57] <friggle> allegedly a number of portable hard drives draw above spec when spinning up
[23:57] <traeak> not surprised
[23:58] <traeak> hopefully they test a few on the rpi to see if an HD brownouts the board or not
[23:59] <traeak> what happens if a device requests too many amps

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