#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-11-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:27] * mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:40] <robertj> I wonder how much power would be consumed with a suspend, a resume, a hello world, and then another 30 minute power nap...
[0:41] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)
[1:10] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:40] * _ho_ (cbced343@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #raspberrypi
[1:57] * _ho_ (cbced343@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[2:14] * paatrick2123 (~shuff@cpe-24-160-179-157.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:21] * paatrick2123 is now known as paatrick1123
[2:21] * paatrick1123 (~shuff@cpe-24-160-179-157.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[2:44] * ReimuHak_ (~reimu@wireless.sit-co.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[3:01] * protozoa (~billy@sky.zoa.io) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:06] * NIN102 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) Quit (Quit: NIN102)
[5:14] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE00212977d1b7-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[5:15] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca561c.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[8:09] * GonZo2000 (gonzo2000@ has joined #raspberrypi
[9:25] * robertj (~robertj@97-81-71-34.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[9:27] <Mowee> morning
[9:35] * jzu (~jzu@sete.opentrust.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:40] * mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:54] * mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[10:27] * vgrade (~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[10:27] <ahven> morning
[10:27] * vgrade (~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:55] * mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:11] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[12:25] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:31] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) Quit (Quit: NIN101)
[12:33] * ReimuHakurei (~znc@reimuhakurei.net) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * friggle (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * tti (tero@irkki.in) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * Dagger3 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * zear (~zear@h196n1-g-kt-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * Lerc (~Lerc@121-74-243-213.telstraclear.net) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:33] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) Quit (*.net *.split)
[12:37] * Dagger3 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:37] * friggle (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:37] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:38] * zear (~zear@h196n1-g-kt-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:41] * Lerc (~Lerc@121-74-243-213.telstraclear.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:51] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:06] * GonZo2000 (gonzo2000@ Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[13:11] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[13:21] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:22] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:42] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has left #raspberrypi
[13:42] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:42] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
[13:58] * jzu (~jzu@sete.opentrust.com) Quit (Quit: Kick out the jams, motherfuckers!)
[14:02] * mdavey_ (~chatzilla@visitor-net.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:02] * mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[14:02] * mdavey_ is now known as mdavey
[14:03] <ukscone> morning all
[14:03] * tti (tero@irkki.in) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:03] * ReimuHakurei (~znc@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:761c:4a96) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:04] <ahven> morning/day :)
[14:05] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca561c.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:17] * mdavey (~chatzilla@visitor-net.aminocom.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[14:17] * mdavey (~chatzilla@visitor-net.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:19] * jzu (~jzu@camisole.opentrust.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:23] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:25] * atts (~asheehan@static-99-136-171-68.axsne.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:26] * rcaskey (~Rob@dumbledore.athenshousing.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:28] * mdavey (~chatzilla@visitor-net.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[14:36] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ has joined #raspberrypi
[14:36] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[14:36] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ Quit (Changing host)
[14:36] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:36] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[14:37] <ukscone> IT_Sean: going to keep leaving and coming back until you get a welcome messgae you like?
[14:37] <IT_Sean> sorry, no.
[14:37] <ahven> he seems to enjoy that flattering ;)
[14:37] <IT_Sean> Irssi was being a whiny little b***h this morning
[14:38] <IT_Sean> my apologies for all the comesintas and goesoutas
[14:38] <ukscone> null problemo -- just thought you were going until you got a welcome message you liked
[14:38] <IT_Sean> no
[14:39] <IT_Sean> Although, perhaps once more, as i need to move this machine to a different network.
[14:39] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Client Quit)
[14:44] * mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:46] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ has joined #raspberrypi
[14:46] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[14:46] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ Quit (Changing host)
[14:46] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:46] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[14:46] <IT_Sean> Okay, there. Done.
[14:47] <IT_Sean> (never try to use a freshly installed OS on a monday.)
[14:52] * jzu (~jzu@camisole.opentrust.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[15:05] * jzu (~jzu@sete.opentrust.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:11] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * Dagger3 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * RobinJ (~RobinJ@unaffiliated/robinj) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * ctyler (~chris@global.proximity.on.ca) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * ebarch (~ebarch@eevee.ericbarch.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
[15:11] * Beakster__ (~Beakster@69-196-182-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:11] * friggle_ (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:11] * ^rcaskey (~Rob@dumbledore.athenshousing.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:12] * PiBot (~Raspberry@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:12] * Beakster_ (~Beakster@69-196-182-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[15:12] * friggle (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[15:12] * sdx1 (sdx@newelite1.bshellz.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[15:13] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[15:13] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:13] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:13] * ChrisLenz (~ChrisLenz@c-71-194-107-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:13] * rcaskey (~Rob@dumbledore.athenshousing.org) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[15:14] * acfrazier (~acfrazier@unaffiliated/acfrazier) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
[15:15] * wcchandl1r (~william@ has joined #raspberrypi
[15:16] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:16] * acfrazier (~acfrazier@unaffiliated/acfrazier) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * RobinJ (~RobinJ@unaffiliated/robinj) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * ebarch (~ebarch@eevee.ericbarch.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:17] * wcchandler (~william@cpe-069-134-244-245.nc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[15:17] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[15:17] * ebarch (~ebarch@eevee.ericbarch.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 243 seconds)
[15:17] * ctyler (~chris@global.proximity.on.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:18] <protozoa> hello
[15:18] * ReimuHak_ (~reimu@ has joined #raspberrypi
[15:18] <protozoa> how close is raspberry pi to being available? is there a board layout or something so i could assemble my own? i'd like to try to get gentoo working on it
[15:18] * Dagger3 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:19] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:19] * ebarch (~ebarch@eevee.ericbarch.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:19] <atts> protozoa: they are saying they'll be shipping in december
[15:19] <atts> haven't given a release date yet
[15:19] * joukio (~joukio@82-171-18-219.ip.telfort.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[15:22] <ahven> protozoa: I think the major distribution maintainers have that already in the works, including Gentoo and except Ubuntu
[15:22] * joukio (~joukio@82-171-18-219.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:22] <ahven> the only sure things are Debian and Fedora
[15:22] <ahven> don't know about the rest
[15:23] * joukio (~joukio@82-171-18-219.ip.telfort.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[15:24] * joukio (~joukio@82-171-18-219.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:26] <IT_Sean> protozoa: 'less you have access to assembly robots and BGA equipment, you aren't going to be assembling this yourself. Raspi comes assembled.
[15:26] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:26] * sdx1 (sdx@newelite1.bshellz.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:29] <ahven> it only took 3 people to get all points answered :P
[15:30] <atts> does anyone know if they have made any mention of Arch linux recently? it's mentioned in the FAQ but i haven't seen any updates on them in a while
[15:31] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:32] * IT_Sean pokes ukscone
[15:32] <ukscone> bloody stupid internet
[15:32] <IT_Sean> Happy Monday!!!!
[15:33] <ukscone> internet part of the cable went out -- took 2 cable modem and 3 router reboots to get the interwebs back once they fixed the problem
[15:33] <protozoa> yeah i figured as much, thanks for the info though. i could probably assemble it in one of the labs at my university
[15:33] <protozoa> but
[15:33] <protozoa> if its gunna ship in december i'll just wait
[15:36] <IT_Sean> it's supposed to ship sometime in December. That's the earliest you are going to be able to get one anyway :p
[15:37] <IT_Sean> YOur Univ has equipment for soldering BGAs and such?
[15:37] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yep and he'd better get practicing with his F5 fingeer
[15:37] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:39] <ukscone> i might say sod it, and wait until the 2nd batch. it'd be nice to get at least a model a from the first batch but it's not going to ruin my life (it's already ruined) if i don't get one immediatly and theree seem to be alot of people whose lives will be over if they don't get one within 0.0005ms of them going on sale incl. shipping time
[15:39] <IT_Sean> wankers.
[15:39] <IT_Sean> I agree with you on that.
[15:39] <ukscone> i don't want to be responsible for someone jumping off a cliff because they couldn't get a raspi
[15:39] <IT_Sean> It'd be nice to get one from the 1st batch, but, i'm happy to wait for the 2nd, as well.
[15:40] <atts> i appreciate that ukscone
[15:40] <atts> i'm curious to see what the demand will be like on release day
[15:41] <atts> and whether or not the site will be able to handle it
[15:41] <ahven> I wonder what day it will be :)
[15:41] <ahven> *of the week
[15:42] * PiBot (~Raspberry@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:45] * IT_Sean hopes it isn't a weekday, so he can actually try to order one
[15:45] <protozoa> lol
[15:46] <protozoa> i'll probably just end up getting a beaglebone / beagleboard / pandaboard since they're already available
[15:46] <tti> i guess we whom lives outside uk have to wait a bit to get the board
[15:47] <protozoa> but damn they're expensive compared to raspi
[15:47] <IT_Sean> protozoa: you can't wait a month?
[15:48] * Beakster_ (~Beakster@gs1tor.mpoip10.yyz.teloip.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:48] * Beakster__ (~Beakster@69-196-182-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[15:48] <protozoa> i COULD, but i'm trying to get a board to start getting some software going (doing an incar computer build)
[15:49] <ukscone> i've been waiting for something i paid for in july to arrive, it's a little annoying it isn't here yet but i am not really that bothered as i can always pour ice down IT_Sean's back if i get bored
[15:49] <protozoa> i wont have money for everything else for awhile so i wanted to get a board so i could experiment with some distros and writing some custom software for it
[15:49] <IT_Sean> ukscone: i would kill you
[15:49] <protozoa> probably going to either run android w/ custom-ui or meego
[15:52] <atts> how much is beaglebone?
[15:52] <atts> i saw an ad for it but didn't see a price anywhere on it
[15:53] <IT_Sean> a damn bit more aspensive than the raspi
[15:53] <IT_Sean> i forget the exact amount, but i was quite shocked when i saw it
[15:57] <ukscone> atts: $89 iirc
[15:57] <atts> bah
[16:01] <ukscone> ah ok -- we won't actually see the "batches" the raspi is being made in, the store will be sort of continious
[16:02] <ukscone> i.e. even though it's being made in batches the next batch will be started as soon as they get to a threshold of the previous batch
[16:02] <IT_Sean> I image there may be a hiccup between the 1st and 2nd batches, 'till they get everything worked out. But, yeah, should be pretty regular
[16:02] <IT_Sean> *imagine
[16:03] <ukscone> yup liz sort of indicated that when it is released they'll fill the store "slowly" with stock so it's more pipelinish
[16:03] <ukscone> but the first batch will sell out quicker than they can build them
[16:04] <IT_Sean> Yes, but by "pipelining" the availability, it's more likely that everyone 'll get a fair go at getting one from the 1st batch, i would think
[16:06] * ReimuHak_ (~reimu@ Quit (Quit: Leaving...)
[16:08] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yeah
[16:08] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:11] * friggle_ is now known as friggle
[16:11] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ has joined #raspberrypi
[16:11] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[16:11] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ Quit (Changing host)
[16:11] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:11] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[16:33] <jzu> general X11/desktop question: I'm currently moving away from the Gnome3/Unity quagmire, trying xfce, lxde, etc.
[16:33] <jzu> I have a problem right now with a dual screen setup
[16:34] <jzu> my screens stay systematically cloned with lxde and xfce
[16:36] <jzu> screen splitting works with Gnome and Unity, however
[16:38] * GonZo2000 (~gonzo2000@bl21-168-65.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:38] * IT_Sean makes a cup of tea-like-substance
[16:39] <jzu> anybody using a dual screen configuration with anything else than the usual desktops?
[16:40] <traeak> what's "the usual desktops" ?
[16:41] <traeak> when i went dual screen for a while I used e-17
[16:41] <traeak> that seemed nicely dual screen aware
[16:41] <jzu> ooh, I missed this one
[16:42] <jzu> I tried other WMs, same results
[16:42] <jzu> I used Enlightenment a looong time ago
[16:42] <jzu> but I have to try that, thanks
[16:43] <IT_Sean> I never got dual screens working properly in Gnome. THat might have been a fault w/ my video card, though
[16:44] <jzu> compiz has been broken since 10.04, I believe
[16:44] <jzu> Gnome and 2 screens worked pretty well with metacity
[16:44] <traeak> i never got the appeal of 3d effects on a desktop....doesn't seem to actually help with productivity
[16:45] <traeak> i just use virtual desktops heavily
[16:45] <traeak> don't really miss dual screens
[16:45] <traeak> and dual screens makes games more a pita :-p
[16:45] <Dagger3> you guys think multi-monitor is fun... try doing multi-GPU :(
[16:45] <jzu> actually, I found the 3-D cube really useful
[16:46] <traeak> i just flip thorughmy desktops really quick
[16:46] <jzu> to find a hidden window
[16:46] <Dagger3> X forces you to either sacrifice 2D hardware acceleration, or the ability to drag windows between monitors :(
[16:46] <traeak> hmm...dunno about enlightenment honestly
[16:46] <jzu> anyway, the problem is now Gnome 3
[16:47] <traeak> kde was an unacceptable beast a long time ago
[16:47] <traeak> gnome seems to have quickly followed
[16:47] <traeak> too many ppl trying to make it into windows or something
[16:47] <jzu> or trying to make it way too simple
[16:48] <traeak> what pisses me off most about enlightenment is that they *never* provided wireframe window dragging and resizing
[16:49] <traeak> running stuff over a network opaque resizing is the kiss of death
[16:50] <jzu> from what I could read on the forum, lxde would run on the Raspberry
[16:51] <jzu> (but I tend to use Sawfish on low-power machines)
[16:53] <traeak> well rpi probably doesn't support multiple simultaneous video outputs i would gather
[16:53] <Anppa> gnome has a trend now, implementing crappy ideas (badly) from mac, which "must be good since they are there"
[16:54] <jzu> there's a difference: I can use a Mac
[16:54] <jzu> even if I don't like it, I find it usable
[16:55] * IT_Sean glances over at his Fedora-running PowerBook G4
[16:55] <Anppa> maybe the target audience is a bit different as well, i hate the concept of pretending that things are simple just by hiding the complexity
[16:57] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:57] <Anppa> i guess it is useful for people interested mostly in doing simple things (using the way that gui designed decided is the way to do it)
[16:57] * lorenson (~lorenson@ has joined #raspberrypi
[16:57] <Anppa> *designer
[16:58] * PiBot (~Raspberry@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:58] <jzu> about lxde: since it had a good chance of becoming one of the more-or-less "standard" environments on the RPi, I wanted to check it out
[17:00] * lorenson (~lorenson@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[17:02] * lorenson (~lorenson@ has joined #raspberrypi
[17:05] <ctyler> the thing that kills me about Gnome 3 is that they totally threw away the work they'd done building their brand name. "Gnome means this..." went out the window. I think they should have done "The FOO desktop (by Gnome)" and branded it as an alternative, rather than cold-dropping the product their users had come to expect from them.
[17:06] <traeak> also there's xfce
[17:06] <traeak> i think that's decently acceptable
[17:06] <Anppa> once upon a time gnome meant "the nicer alternative, since this new kde4 is crap" :)
[17:07] <IT_Sean> I've got Gnome 2.28.0 here
[17:07] <ctyler> traeak: xfce on raspi tracks about 10MB higher than lxde
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Gnome 3 does not play well with my GPU
[17:07] <traeak> ctyler: not surprised xfce offers a pretty full feature set
[17:09] <traeak> i honestly havent' really tried hard with lxde yet
[17:09] <ctyler> it's pretty decent
[17:10] * ctyler hopes there's enough time to get the X acceleration working before the boards ship
[17:11] <traeak> looking at an article comparing the two
[17:11] <traeak> seems they are decently comparable
[17:13] <traeak> http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com/2011/08/lxde-vs-xfce.html
[17:13] * ChrisLenz (~ChrisLenz@c-71-194-107-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:14] <traeak> woul have to see if lxde would pass the "wife test"
[17:15] <traeak> xfce does just fine in that department
[17:15] <traeak> i run wmaker on my dev boxes...
[17:17] <IT_Sean> wife test?
[17:17] * PiBot (~Raspberry@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:18] <jzu> Gnome 2 did pass the wife test at home
[17:18] <jzu> the kid test as well
[17:18] <traeak> ahh, my 4yro isn't that savvy yet
[17:19] <traeak> she's a girly girl, the older sister...now she was playing full 3d third person games when she was 3 and had full understanding of the mechanics
[17:20] <ctyler> my kids grew up on Linux, encountered Windows at school. Used to get so ticked off at middle-mouse-paste not working. Eldest at University now, using gnome3.
[17:20] <ukscone> yes thee WAF is veery important. took me 3 goes to get VoIP to pass it
[17:23] * lorenson (~lorenson@ Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
[17:25] <IT_Sean> ukscone: WAF?
[17:25] * IT_Sean grew up on Mac OS.
[17:26] <jzu> Wife Acceptance Factor
[17:26] <IT_Sean> ahhh
[17:26] <IT_Sean> I couldn't figure out the F
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Hasn't she got her own computer?
[17:27] <jzu> she has
[17:27] <jzu> running Linux :-)
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Groovy.
[17:27] <traeak> test drove mac os some in early 90s and wasn't impressed at the time
[17:27] <IT_Sean> That was back in the heady days of Mac OS 9
[17:28] <traeak> yeah and the MAC nazis out there didn't help their own cause
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Which by then was badly out of date
[17:29] <traeak> the 2 biggest funnies ... mac OS rebasing on unix ... and mac moving over to intel
[17:29] * IT_Sean runs OS X (latest version) on his home machine, Linux on his personal laptop, and Windows on his work machines.
[17:30] <jzu> IT_Sean: a computer doesn't "just work" - there's always something wrong that you have to fix
[17:30] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[17:31] <jzu> ...carrier lost...
[17:32] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ has joined #raspberrypi
[17:32] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[17:32] * IT_Sean (~Sean@ Quit (Changing host)
[17:32] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:32] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[17:32] <jzu> on the long run, what really matters is how long before you can fix the damn thing
[17:33] <traeak> that's correct
[17:33] <jzu> the wife appreciates that
[17:35] <jzu> since I have been a sysadmin in the past, fixing things is easier for me on Linux
[17:36] * IT_Sean is pretty adept at Linux, OS X, and WIn 7. I'm most comfortable in Linux and OS X, though.
[17:37] <jzu> OS X is ok, kind of
[17:38] <ctyler> dialogs that say "Something bad has happened. [OK]" are not cool.
[17:39] <jzu> but I'm no expert so I tend to miss obvious problems
[17:39] <jzu> obvious hints to solutions, rather
[17:40] <jzu> sometimes I ssh on my mother's macbook to kill processes
[17:41] <jzu> the Unix part is really ok on MacOS
[17:41] <traeak> i can't afford to try mac osx :-p
[17:41] <jzu> neither can I
[17:41] <jzu> well, I did
[17:42] <jzu> but not long enough to really look under the hood of the Mac upper layers
[17:42] * IT_Sean doesn't mention the brand new iMac sitting in his home office
[17:44] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:45] * weuxel (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:46] <ukscone> IT_Sean: you are a macolite got any interest in one of those ugly blueish imacs from about 10 years ago
[17:46] <traeak> *and* osnews.com has a story on desktop environs
[17:46] <IT_Sean> noonononnnooooo
[17:46] <ukscone> it's sitting in my spare room with cats sitting on it
[17:46] <IT_Sean> nonono
[17:46] <IT_Sean> no
[17:46] <IT_Sean> no
[17:46] <ukscone> heh so not interested in the se-20 either?
[17:46] * IT_Sean has too many old computers lying about
[17:47] <ukscone> that's holding up the a piece of wood holding a pile of books :)
[17:47] <ukscone> i use the ultrasparc as a room heater
[17:47] <ukscone> the rest of my current crop of old computers are all small
[17:48] <traeak> hmm...is that a pizza box sparc or one of the mid towers ?
[17:48] <ukscone> the wife made me get rid of the larger ones last time we moved
[17:48] <ukscone> mid tower unfortunatly
[17:48] <ukscone> i liked the pizza box ones but then again the best thing was the prom screen white with black writing
[17:49] <traeak> paper monochrome yeah
[17:49] <traeak> the early NeXTs had nice screens
[17:49] <traeak> paper monochrome
[17:49] <traeak> NeXT black cube was the coolest
[17:50] <traeak> hmm...
[17:51] <IT_Sean> that's all before my time
[17:51] <traeak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTcube
[17:51] <traeak> 12x12x12"
[17:51] <traeak> 30x30x30cm :-p
[17:52] <traeak> actually i saw a roku display at target a few weeks ago
[17:52] <traeak> impressive how small that is
[17:52] <ctyler> big problem afaicr was that the removable media was also the main media, i.e., it was a pain in the neck to copy anything to another NeXT box
[17:52] <traeak> it'd be cool to have an rpi case which mounted onto the back of an LCD
[17:53] <traeak> never worked much with the NeXT boxes....I *was* taking engineering courses
[17:53] <IT_Sean> traeak: that'd be easy. Just fab up some raspi / VESA mounts
[17:54] <traeak> yeah, if you got the equipment
[17:54] <traeak> prolly be nice to get an aluminum block and machine out the innards
[17:54] <IT_Sean> oooooooh
[17:56] <traeak> next had a cool pizza box too
[17:56] <traeak> anyways
[18:05] * TachiH (~TachiH@host-78-148-131-141.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:05] * diggy (~diggy@78-207-135.adsl.cyta.gr) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:10] <ukscone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJdUcbdj7eo oh boy
[18:11] <traeak> yowsers bluetooth is a pita isn't it?
[18:17] <IT_Sean> is it?
[18:18] <traeak> using it to pull images from my phone...haven't really played with it before
[18:23] <Dagger3> it's unusable on my phone -- because turning bluetooth on turns on a flashing LED at the top of the phone
[18:24] <Dagger3> I have no clue who thought that would be a good idea (probably the same guy who thought blinking the power LED constantly in your peripheral vision was an awesome plan...)
[18:25] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:26] <IT_Sean> i take it your phone is from the early to mid 2000s? People thought blinking blue LEDs were the shit then
[18:27] <Dagger3> yeah, it runs WM2003
[18:27] <Dagger3> I ended up with blue-tak over the power LED
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I'd have disassembled the phone and desoldered the LED, personally, but, bluetak works too
[18:34] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:34] <traeak> prolly get a new phone before year is over
[18:34] <traeak> my stupid n900 doesn't charge via USB port anymore, i have to always switch batteries
[18:34] <traeak> PITA
[18:36] <iMatttt> :/
[18:41] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:00] * IT_Sean (~Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:01] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:01] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[19:05] <ukscone> ugh that was a knackering walk -- 4 blocks up hill then 4 blocks back carrying about 20 pounds of goodsand then a two block sidetrack to get coffee -- i need to train the cats to go shopping for me
[19:06] <IT_Sean> your average housecat cannot easily carry large bags of household goods over long distances
[19:06] <IT_Sean> you need a bear.
[19:06] <IT_Sean> or a mountan lion.
[19:09] <ukscone> well i'd just have to send them on several trips
[19:09] * wcchandl1r is now known as wcchandler
[19:09] <IT_Sean> they'd probably just fuck off and play in somebody's back yard
[19:09] <ukscone> if the kid wasn't off enjoying himself in class he could be doing what we had him for -- being our slave -- no point in having kids if you can't use them for menial tasks
[19:10] <ukscone> and heavy lifting
[19:10] <IT_Sean> he's in class?
[19:10] <IT_Sean> I gurantee he isn't enjoying himself.
[19:12] <ukscone> actually you are right -- it's peer counsoling practicum today -- he hates that but he didn't know he'd hate it until he tried it and he was one of 20 out of 4500 choosen to do it so he'll finish and change his major so he can avoid having to do it ever again
[19:12] <ukscone> even if it means he now has to do at least graduate studies
[19:16] <ukscone> ugh one of the cats has cut the other cats nose -- he keeps bleeding and sneezing -- spray of blood going everywhere
[19:17] <IT_Sean> eew
[19:18] <IT_Sean> MEETING!
[19:18] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: meeting)
[19:20] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:25] * mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[19:47] * NIN101 (~NIN101@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:53] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca561c.bb.sky.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[19:57] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5ad36287.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:58] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[20:07] * mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:22] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:57] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You may know that we run a separate network for the purpose of testing future ircd versions. If you'd like to help test by checking for consistency between versions (eg, information visibility etc), join testnet.freenode.net port 9002 (ssl: 9003). Talk to us in #freenode-seven on the production network. Thanks, and have a great evening.
[21:06] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:06] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[21:06] * IT_Sean peers in
[21:07] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[21:07] * Skummel (~Mats@ Quit (Quit: bye bye)
[21:07] * Skummel (~Mats@ has joined #raspberrypi
[21:10] <IT_Sean> 37810996
[21:10] <IT_Sean> whoops.. .wronng kbd
[21:12] * Skummel (~Mats@ Quit (Client Quit)
[21:15] * Skummel (~Mats@ has joined #raspberrypi
[21:18] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)
[21:23] * IT_Sean thumps a coworker about the head with the sign that reads "Report any lost or stolen RSA tokens IMMEADITALLY!"
[21:23] <ukscone> :)
[21:23] <ukscone> staple it to his forehead
[21:24] <IT_Sean> cowirker noticed her RSA token missing on saturday morning.
[21:25] <IT_Sean> They even have a special # to call to report a missing, lost, or stolen token that goes right to my mobile.
[21:25] <IT_Sean> didn't tell me until 5 minutes ago
[21:26] <ctyler> show her the part of the company policy where employees are personally liable for damages up to $1000/minute until they report their token missing?
[21:27] <IT_Sean> I deactiaved her token, and notified management of her failure to report it missing in a timely manner, as per page X paragraph Y of the IT security procedural manual.
[21:29] <ukscone> the $1000/minute goes straight to IT_Sean's bonus :)
[21:29] <IT_Sean> that would be awesome.
[21:29] * IT_Sean sighs
[21:30] <IT_Sean> shit... even if it went to the company IT toy fund, it'd be awesome :p
[21:30] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't mind a 3rd LCD on my workstation, afterall. ;)
[21:31] <IT_Sean> (cause dual 22" LCDs just don't always cut it, amirite?)
[21:32] * atts (~asheehan@static-99-136-171-68.axsne.net) has left #raspberrypi
[21:37] <traeak> dual 28's?
[21:37] <traeak> shoot a 28 is almost too much anyways
[21:39] <Dagger3> I wouldn't mind a 28' monitor... except it wouldn't fit in the room
[21:40] <traeak> its justa 19x12 monitor i hvae
[21:40] <traeak> when you get old you don't mind big pixels ;-p
[21:46] <IT_Sean> Tri 22s > dual 28s, IMO.
[21:46] <IT_Sean> 28s wouldn't fit under the shelf over my desk, i think.
[21:49] <traeak> you can't watch 3 monitors at once
[21:50] * IT_Sean does it now. The only difference is that the 3rd one is on another computer
[21:52] <traeak> sorry your eyes are built so that you look at one thing only, the rest is purely peripheral vision
[21:52] <traeak> peripheral vision isn't "looking at" something :-p just a technicality though
[21:55] <IT_Sean> It isn't about being able to monitor more... It's about easing the overcrowding of windows that is currently occuring on my machine :p
[22:09] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Quit: bbl)
[22:12] <IT_Sean> and peripheral vision is sufficient to see a color change on a server monitoring screen, or a line feed on a console display.
[22:12] <IT_Sean> so :p on you
[22:13] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:29] * ReimuHak_ (~reimu@ has joined #raspberrypi
[22:36] <Thorn_> shiftplusone not hang around these days?
[22:45] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Quit: bbl)
[22:49] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:52] <friggle> awesome http://twitter.com/#!/JamesH65/status/133624381732683776
[22:59] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: going home)
[23:01] <traeak> started knocking up who..huh ?
[23:13] <DaQatz> Hmmmm
[23:23] <friggle> http://free-electrons.com/blog/elce-2011-videos/ << Arnd's talk about cheap flash media (i.e. SD cards and the like) is well worth watching
[23:30] * Beakster__ (~Beakster@69-196-182-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:34] * Beakster_ (~Beakster@gs1tor.mpoip10.yyz.teloip.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:35] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Quit: bbl)
[23:38] * whyz (~e@h43n13-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:51] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi

These logs were automatically created by RaspberryPiBot on irc.freenode.net using the Java IRC LogBot.