#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-11-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:05] <friggle> jeez, the slashdot folk are difficult to please
[0:07] <ukscone> friggle: yep no pleasing some people
[0:07] <ukscone> although there are a few on the forums too that seem to never be happy either
[0:07] <ukscone> so it's not just the slashdotties
[0:08] <Lerc> There was a thread on reddit whih some fairly dumb negative comments too.
[0:08] <friggle> I'm pretty surprised at the news.yc reaction too
[0:08] <ukscone> reddit is almost as bad as 4chan :)
[0:08] <Lerc> and one guy that posts everywhere complaints about the GPU blob.
[0:09] <friggle> for a community of risk-taking entrepreneurs, they're pretty unimaginative
[0:09] <ukscone> yup
[0:09] <Lerc> They want investors over at yc. Can't be too innovative, you'll scare them off.
[0:10] <Lerc> people want to invest in a copy of last years innovation.
[0:10] <traeak> gpu blob isn't a problem...interfacing with it is the question
[0:10] <traeak> as long as it's black boxed don't care
[0:13] <Lerc> Yeah, I'd like it to be easy to get GLes on any distro.
[0:13] <friggle> I don't think you'll have an issue using GLES from whatever Linux distro you want
[0:14] <Dagger3> the problem is that that's going to limit what we can do on the thing
[0:15] <Dagger3> e.g. we're supposed to get accelerated h264 playback. is that going to work in mplayer, or will it require a proprietry video player? will that video player be able to handle, say, 10-bit color depth and subtitles?
[0:15] <Dagger3> if not, we have no source, so there's nothing we can do about it
[0:16] <friggle> I'd have thought you'd do h264 decoding thorugh openmax
[0:17] <ukscone> iirc eben used mplayer to play the vids at makerfaire
[0:17] <friggle> nope, 'playerx' is currently being used
[0:18] <ukscone> friggle: well he typed mplayer when i watched him type it
[0:18] <Lerc> Unless it's being used as a media center, I don't actually expect it to be decoding 1080p h264 often.
[0:18] <ukscone> they might be using other stuff for real demos
[0:18] <ukscone> but there was an m in there somewhere :)
[0:19] <friggle> ukscone: hmm, interesting. I've just been using playerx and 'trickplay' (which basically just plays the movie straight away without the UI)
[0:20] <ukscone> i am half blind though so maybe the m was blurring
[0:21] <ukscone> but from what i remember from things that were said and other places all the accelleration stuff will eb available to users
[0:22] <friggle> yeah, openmax is the Khronos group API I believe and I think JamesH has mentioned gstreamer a number of times on the forums (though I haven't heard of it being done yet, though I'm sure it will come)
[0:23] <Lerc> I'm wondering how tricky it'd be to set up a mini mesh network using $2 bluetooth adapters. Would be enough to use synergy for keyboard/mouse
[0:23] <ukscone> iirc james or eben are chain of the khronos wg
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[0:24] <Dagger3> at any rate, that's just the one specific example I could come up with. I'm sure someone, somewhere will be able to come up with another situation in which not being able to do anything with half of their computer is a negative for them
[0:24] <friggle> ukscone: oh yes, Eben is chair of Khronos OpenVG. I didn't know that
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[0:26] <friggle> well it looks like SoC manufacturers are generally getting a little friendlier to open source
[0:27] <friggle> I don't particularly care about the 'GPU firmware' binary blob, but I agree it would be nice to have all the code that runs in the Linux userspace
[0:28] <ukscone> it's be interesting to see how riscos deals with the blob
[0:29] <friggle> not going to be an issue unless they want GLES and so on
[0:29] <friggle> and Adrian Lees is a Broadcom employee
[0:29] <ukscone> i suspect they do but of course they do have insider knowlege available
[0:30] <friggle> I think there's a lot to implement before worrying about GLES
[0:30] <ukscone> but it might give clues to how we can use it
[0:30] <ukscone> friggle: from what i read recently they have things like usb working now
[0:30] <ukscone> and it'll be available at launch
[0:31] <ukscone> maybe not 100% ready for prime time but near enough
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[0:31] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[0:31] <friggle> ukscone: I didn't know they had USB running, that looked like it could be a pain. The dwc_otg driver is open source but it wasn't clear how much work it would be to port it
[0:32] <traeak> get stable hardware, if that's available linux will be stable on the rpi asap
[0:32] <friggle> Theo's in the office round the corner from my office, I should interrogate him on where the Riscos community have got to ;)
[0:33] <ukscone> :)
[0:34] <ukscone> remember you aren't allowed to waterboard any more
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[1:02] <IT_Sean> ukscone, we're not!?
[1:03] <ukscone> IT_Sean: not at the moment except if you really do need to know whre the cookies are
[1:04] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[1:04] <IT_Sean> Sadly, i already know were the cookies are.
[1:05] <ukscone> well hide them and blame someone else for they disappeance
[1:05] <ukscone> oh damn i forgot i still had some coppocola left
[1:06] <ukscone> so i used the ham for my sandwich instead
[1:13] <ukscone> any lcd experts here?
[1:15] <ukscone> i have an lcd display in a netbook where there is a single pixel smack in the middle of the screen that is stuck bright green (it's brand new device but rma's it will be a pain and might not be successful because its a single pixel -- i've been running a video that is just red, blue. green, black and white for about 4 hours
[1:15] <ukscone> how long before i shoudl give up and accept the pixel won't flip
[1:22] <IT_Sean> it's a stuck pixel
[1:22] <IT_Sean> it's probably perminant, but try very gently massagging that part of the display
[1:24] <ukscone> given it a gentle rub a few times but no change -- its just so annoying its in the middle of the screen and not the edge
[1:26] <IT_Sean> that sounds irritating
[1:27] <ukscone> other than that its a nice little netbok
[1:27] <ukscone> netbook even
[1:30] <IT_Sean> :(
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[13:59] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[14:09] <ukscone> norning all
[14:10] <IT_Sean> norning
[14:12] <ukscone> IT_Sean: it's not nice to make fun of the typing challanged
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[14:13] <ukscone> US Congress declares pizza a vegetable.??http://bit.ly/rNNTnY
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[14:16] <IT_Sean> sowwy ukscone
[14:18] <ukscone> damn all the response to that are silly :)
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[14:19] <ukscone> but your line should have been sowwy wokayscwone
[14:19] <IT_Sean> bugger. you are, of course, right. :/
[14:19] <ukscone> and boy that's a bit of a bad lisp you have there
[14:19] <ukscone> almost a guile
[14:20] <ukscone> and blurgh too early in the morning to be being silly
[14:38] <IT_Sean> What time are we allowed to be silly?
[14:39] <ukscone> between 9:00 and 9:01 on november the 21st
[14:40] <ukscone> or any time after i've had my first cup of coffee and it's light out side
[14:42] <IT_Sean> well... go get some coffee then! 'cause im in a silly mood
[14:42] <ukscone> ok
[14:42] <ukscone> it should be brewed in a few minutes although it's a bit dark and dank outside
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[15:01] <ahven> boo
[15:05] <IT_MTNG> ack
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[15:05] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[15:27] <ahven> printed out the pcb layer
[15:27] <ahven> pretty small :)
[15:31] <IT_MTNG> I saw the size comarison on the board.
[15:31] <DaQatz> =)
[15:33] <ShaneHudson> It looks fantastic! Would be great if some got shipped with the board to hand around for advertising :)
[15:33] <ShaneHudson> Might get some printed at moo
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[15:43] <ahven> IT_MTNG: yep, but a printout gives a better impression, without the real device :)
[15:47] <IT_MTNG> aye
[15:48] <IT_MTNG> it's smaller then i thought it would be
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[15:51] <ahven> same here, the current case I had planned would probably fit 4 of those :)
[15:52] <ahven> and probably 8, when I stack them :P
[15:52] <IT_MTNG> I haven't started planning a case yet, but, i am really excited about how tiny it is
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[15:57] <ShaneHudson> I wonder how quickly cases will appear on ebay!
[15:58] <ShaneHudson> I think it is the ideal product to sell custom accessories for
[15:58] <IT_MTNG> I'm not sure if i want to keep it tiny, or if i want to go with a larger case that has more stuf in (like a usb hub & card reader, etc...)
[15:58] <ShaneHudson> depends what you plan on using it for
[15:58] <ShaneHudson> it will have a card reader built in though
[15:59] <IT_MTNG> yeah, but it's booting off of that
[15:59] <ShaneHudson> true, wonder if it will be possible to run from RAM once booted? doubt it
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[16:00] <DaQatz> If the image is small enough yes.
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[16:08] <ahven> though an external cardreader would be better
[16:09] <ctyler> ShaneHudson: yes, you can run from a ramdisk or from another device (e.g., harddisk) once booted
[16:09] <IT_MTNG> i think an external cardreader is the easiest way to go. And i have one lying about anyway
[16:10] <ahven> start boot from SD and then really boot from USB?
[16:16] <Skummel> that's not really a problem, you can use GRUB on your harddrive to boot from USB if for example your BIOS don't support USB booting.
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[18:28] <ReggieUK> hi all
[18:28] <IT_Sean> can someone pass me the eye bleach? I just got back from the walmart
[18:31] <atts> i'm all out of eye bleach, can you run to walmart and pick some up for me? thanks
[18:32] <IT_Sean> screw off
[18:32] <IT_Sean> i saw quite a sight at the checkout lane next to the SCO I was using
[18:32] <IT_Sean> a Very Large Woman, at least 300lbs, wearing purple terrycloth short shorts (dear god why!?) that were at least three sizes too small (again WHY!??!), and a tie die t-shirt with the sleeves cut off. The whole of her order: two cases of voda, and a home preganacy test kit.
[18:32] * IT_Sean shudders
[18:32] <traeak> voda ? huh ?
[18:33] <IT_Sean> sorry... Vodka
[18:33] <traeak> ahh
[18:33] <IT_Sean> (typo)
[18:33] <traeak> so that made you want to grease her up and jump in ?
[18:33] <IT_Sean> shit no!
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[19:09] <Katwa> "two cases of voda, and a home preganacy test kit" That's pretty much the opiate of the masses right there.
[19:10] <traeak> !w
[19:10] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Nov 16 11:53:00 2011. Temp 2??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 36%. Later 8??C - -1??C. Condition: Clear
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[21:34] <wcchandler> anybody know if the initial batch will be available for devs?
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[21:35] <atts> as far as i know the initial batch will be available to anyone who can purchase one in time
[21:35] <wcchandler> that's the publicly available batch, I'm talking the batch they're using to test the manufacturing/machining/pressing
[21:35] <wcchandler> that's not available for sale
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[21:37] <atts> ahh, not sure about that
[21:39] <traeak> you mean you didnt' get your yet ?
[21:41] <wcchandler> i never bothered to sign up or ask for one... I figured if theer was limited quantity it'd go to better minded folks
[21:41] <wcchandler> but i'm pretty sure you were joking, to which I'll just smile and slightly chuckle
[21:47] <traeak> ahh so you're onto me
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[22:16] <acfrazier> omg final board omg omg omg
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[23:00] <ukscone> calm down acfrazier or we'll need to find you a paper bag to breathe in to
[23:00] <acfrazier> lol
[23:01] <ukscone> but i do agree omg omg omg
[23:03] <mdavey> calm down, its only the artwork!
[23:32] <DaQatz> pi-gasm?
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