#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-11-17

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[1:18] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[1:20] <traeak> !w
[1:20] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Nov 16 18:53:00 2011. Temp -2??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 38%. Later 5??C - -3??C. Condition: Clear
[1:20] <traeak> hmm...they screwed up the forecast again and just adjusted it after the fact....lovely
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[11:27] <PiBot> ukscone| no i am british we are used to summer just being the third wednesday in august
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[14:13] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[15:43] <protozoa> the new board layout looks amazing guys
[15:45] <Anppa_> looks like I'll wait for the first rush to fade (and the limit of one per person) to get 2-3 without 2-3x postage
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[17:25] <ahven> I will probably get one at the start nevertheless
[17:29] <protozoa> i'll definitely get one of the first run if theirs enough
[17:30] <protozoa> i feel like they're gunna sell out pretty quickly from all the buzz about em
[17:30] <protozoa> how many units are they supposed to get from the first run?
[17:30] <traeak> i just want one ...
[17:30] <IT_Sean> me too
[17:30] <IT_Sean> just one
[17:30] <traeak> i have a girl who's about to turn 9
[17:31] <traeak> i wonder if it could be useful for her
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I... just want one. :p
[17:32] <traeak> sadly her brain is wired like mine, she may have a talent for this crap
[17:34] <ahven> protozoa: 10k, few percent are reserved
[17:39] <traeak> hmm...quake3...i wonder if the rpi has enough horsepower to run all the quake3 derived mods
[17:39] <traeak> like urbanterror
[17:42] <ahven> we can probably test everything out this year :P
[17:44] <protozoa> heh if it can run openarena i'll be so happy
[17:45] <ukscone> porrige weather today -- yay
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Hmm... Quake 2 deathmatch on raspi anyone? :p
[17:46] <IT_Sean> (i used to be apocalyptically good at Quake)
[17:46] <ahven> I liked the hook addition in Q2 :)
[17:47] <IT_Sean> YES!!!!
[17:47] <IT_Sean> i loved that
[17:47] <IT_Sean> okay, that settles it... the first ting i'm doing with a raspi... getting it to run Q2DM2
[17:49] <ahven> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/Quake2#Comments
[17:49] <ahven> ah, ubuntu :P
[17:49] <traeak> quake3 should be fine also i would guess
[17:49] <ahven> but the link is debian
[17:49] <traeak> i didn't really do quake2...
[17:50] <traeak> quake3, yeah...
[17:50] <traeak> sad, the original half life would be cool on rpi if it were available
[17:51] <friggle> Descent 1+2 will be awesome
[17:51] <friggle> and Freespace 2
[17:51] <traeak> code available on those?
[17:51] <friggle> yes
[17:51] <traeak> quake3 derivatives can be tried at least
[17:52] <friggle> traeak: Eben has it running Quake3. it was one of the early demos I think
[17:56] <IT_Sean> oooh.. i remember Descent
[17:57] <ukscone> anyone need to hang some wallpaper? I have some leftover porridge which would work great as wallapaper glue or for stickinging posters on your wall
[17:57] <IT_Sean> that bad, aye?
[17:58] <ukscone> not bad good
[17:58] <IT_Sean> oh
[17:58] <ukscone> i love stodgy porridge
[17:58] * IT_Sean feels slightly ill
[17:58] <ukscone> proper porridge not the runny crap you get in the states -- mine will put hairs on your chest
[17:58] <IT_Sean> wot if you've already got hairs on your chest?
[18:00] <traeak> friggle: i know the mods on top of quake3 can hit cpu more
[18:00] <IT_Sean> one of my telco test lines keeps getting called by a telemarketer. So, i've put a modem on it and set it to answer on the 1st ring.
[18:02] <traeak> heh
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[18:37] <qzx> You could also attempt to create a mind altering tone sequence and brainwash them whenever they call to sign them selves upp on call lists and mailing lists
[18:37] <IT_Sean> I prefer my method
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Oddly, he keeps calling back
[18:38] <IT_Sean> I've been watching ProComPlus on my workstation . He's called three times this morning
[18:39] <traeak> what about no call list?
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> meh... it's just a vonage line we use for testing. It doesn't normally even have a phone on it. I just got tired of clearing out the voicemails every morning (when you have a VM, it changes the ringtone, which interfers with dialing out w/ a modem).
[18:41] <traeak> at home i'm using nettalk
[18:41] <traeak> another r-pi use: SIP
[18:41] <IT_Sean> indeed!
[18:42] <qzx> This device is just too useful
[18:42] <qzx> I'll end up coating my whole flat with them
[18:43] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:43] <IT_Sean> unless you live in a veeeeery small flat, that would get expensive
[18:44] <qzx> after I put a couple inside my macbook to make the first clusterbook
[18:44] <ukscone> http://imgur.com/r/funny/5qvGJ
[18:45] <qzx> whoa, things are getting out of control
[18:45] <traeak> this supposed to be a video or something?
[18:45] <qzx> gif
[18:45] <traeak> ahh...i have animation turned off
[18:47] <IT_Sean> HAHAHA!
[18:48] <qzx> hum, is there anything sticking up out of the board between the USB connector and the edge?
[18:48] <IT_Sean> yes. The quantum flux capicator.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> 's the only place it could go and not interfere with the subspace transcever assembly
[18:49] <qzx> Just wondering if there'd be enough space to replace it with a 2x USB aligned horizontally
[18:49] <IT_Sean> (i have no idea)
[18:49] <qzx> We'll see in time
[18:49] <qzx> :)
[18:58] <atts> less than 44 days until rpi release
[19:00] <IT_Sean> How do you figure?
[19:01] <traeak> atts: you mean you didn't get your order in yet ?
[19:05] <Thorn_> 44 days?
[19:06] <wcchandler> 31 days in december and 13 left in november == 44 days :P
[19:06] <Thorn_> i was thinking more like 17... ?
[19:06] <Thorn_> i thought the release was early dec
[19:06] <wcchandler> assume the worst, hope for the best
[19:06] <Thorn_> no
[19:06] <wcchandler> okay :(
[19:06] <Thorn_> they better get their damned act in gear or i'm raiding their factory!
[19:07] <IT_Sean> ooh
[19:07] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: when you raid the factory, get me one? Thanks.
[19:07] <Thorn_> i take a 200% commission on the price
[19:07] <IT_Sean> piss off then.
[19:07] <Thorn_> pfft
[19:07] <Thorn_> factory raiding is hard work
[19:08] <wcchandler> i was out of body wash this morning so I used coconut oil and blueberry marmalade to clean myself. I smell good :)
[19:08] <atts> 44 days at worst
[19:08] <IT_Sean> i want one now, though.
[19:09] <atts> you should post on the forum asking liz where you can buy one, i'm sure she'll help you out
[19:11] <wcchandler> i'm pretty sure some russian sites are selling them :)
[19:16] <IT_Sean> am i the only one that thinks that snort.org has an awesome logo? :p
[19:20] <ukscone> is it me or do the photos of the stickers look remarkably like tabs of lsd?
[19:20] * IT_Sean wouldn't know
[19:22] <ukscone> i've never seen them in person -- either the stickers or lsd tabs but they do look very similar :)
[19:22] <ukscone> i know they want to get kids addicted tot he raspberry pi but i think sending them lsd is takign it a bit far
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[19:22] <IT_Sean> I don't think raspi.org is ACTUALLY selling LSD tabs, ukscone.
[19:24] <ukscone> probably not although there was a case about 30 years ago where cambridge university students were involved with a major drug ring in the uk
[19:24] <ukscone> :)
[19:25] <ukscone> although liz would be more likely to be a foie gras pusher than anything else
[19:27] <IT_Sean> pardon me, waither, but... there are snails on my plate!
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[20:51] <qzx> uhm, quick thought, what version HDMI will the boards be shipped with?
[20:52] <qzx> ahh found it
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[21:01] <Dagger3> on a similar note, does anyone know if it's a mini or a full-sized HDMI port?
[21:02] <Dagger3> it looks like a full-sized port from the board, but it would be unfortunate to have to rush out and buy a new cable otherwise
[21:02] <IT_Sean> YES! Another telemarketer just got an earful of screechy modem noises! :D
[21:02] <IT_Sean> it LOOKS liek a full sized port
[21:02] <IT_Sean> *like
[21:07] <IT_Sean> does it carry audio as well, is what i want to know.
[21:08] <Dagger3> yeah, but it's kinda hard to tell from the pcb layout without knowing what a hdmi connector actually looks like... the width difference between mini and normal conenctors is only a few mm
[21:08] <ahven> yep
[21:08] <Dagger3> supposedly, yes
[21:09] <IT_Sean> groovy.
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[21:15] <atts> Dagger3, if you don't have an HDMI cable already, i'd recommend buying them online rather than in stores
[21:16] <atts> they are a few bucks online, but best buy and radioshack tried charging me $50 for one
[21:16] <ahven> heh, I don't understand people who think moving connectors to one side or another is just drag & drop :P
[21:16] <ahven> even who have designed PCB's, on a less complicated scale
[21:18] <Dagger3> I would only buy a HDMI cable in a store, at the prices they charge in stores, if they also came with a solid gold bar
[21:18] <Dagger3> but the few days wait for a cable to arrive would be irritating, especially when I could avoid it by ordering now
[21:20] <ahven> Liz is shouting "it is a cheap childrens computer ffs" over and over again, but few want to listen :P
[21:21] <qzx> I would like to find out how hard it would be to replace the 1.3a with a 1.4 and get ethernet over that sucker
[21:24] <ahven> if the difference is purely firmware, then it could be possible
[21:24] <ahven> but otherwise not going to happen without a SoC change
[21:27] <ahven> High Speed HDMI 1.3 cables can support all HDMI 1.4 features except for the HDMI Ethernet Channel.
[21:28] <qzx> Def going to need a SoC change I think
[21:28] <ahven> seems like a little hardware change too
[21:28] <qzx> extra wires
[21:28] <qzx> people were bitching about having to buy a new extra set of expensive hdmi cables
[21:31] <ahven> There is only one qualification to offer here: with HDMI 1.4 the spec introduced a new optional "Ethernet and Audio Return Channel" feature, which does require slight changes in cable architecture.
[21:34] <ahven> so yeah, maybe see it in the future versions but not yet
[21:34] <ahven> still, it is orientated on cheapness first :P
[21:35] <IT_Sean> what do you need the enet & audio return channel functionaliy for? what does it do?
[21:38] <ahven> you can provide your tv/other device with network :)
[21:39] <IT_Sean> oh
[21:39] <IT_Sean> i see
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[21:50] <ahven> whee :)
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[21:58] <ahven> <IT_Sean> YES! Another telemarketer just got an earful of screechy modem noises! :D << "Please hold while we transfer you to our manager"? :)
[21:58] <ahven> (and he only knows binary)
[21:59] <IT_Sean> heh
[21:59] <IT_Sean> I don't even have to transfer the call... They have been coming in over a line we only use for testing. So, i just hung a modem on it, and set it to auto-answer on the first ring
[22:00] <ahven> the best counterattack on their side is to spend spam on that fax line :P
[22:00] <ahven> but I doubt they are so smart
[22:01] <IT_Sean> except that it's just an external modem. It isn't connected to anything, and it hasn't got a phone on it. :p
[22:02] <IT_Sean> it just pocks up, tries to train (SQUEEEEEEooooommmm!!!!) then gives up
[22:02] <IT_Sean> and i disabled the speaker on it, so it doesn't irritate me at all.
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[22:15] <IT_Sean> so... who's got an interisting project planned for their raspi?
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[22:17] <mdavey> IP doorbell
[22:19] <Thorn_> yeah i wanted to do that too
[22:19] <Thorn_> :D
[22:19] <IT_Sean> IP doorbell?
[22:19] <mdavey> need two R.Pis thou
[22:19] <mdavey> :(
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[22:20] <mdavey> one sits at the door, takes a picture of the bell-pusher and multicasts a message and the photo on the network
[22:20] <IT_Sean> ah. Okay. That's a cool idea.
[22:20] <mdavey> another one is connected to the tv, listens on the multicast channel and uses HDMI-CEC to change channels and put up a message and the picture.
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Veeeery cool idea
[22:21] <IT_Sean> I wonder if you couldn't do live video instead of a photograph, though.
[22:22] <mdavey> yea, should be very possible to do live video. Also write a little program for laptop or ipad to do the receiving - so every device in the house knows when the bell is pushed.
[22:23] <mdavey> How about you, IT_Sean?
[22:23] <IT_Sean> I'm thinking of trying to cobble together an AV entertainment & teleconference device.
[22:24] <IT_Sean> An open source Apple TV if you will, with communication capabilities added.
[22:25] <mdavey> yea I think that's going to be a common use case - a few people on the forums have said that's the route they want to go.
[22:25] <IT_Sean> mostly because that would be useful for me.
[22:27] <Thorn_> i was thinking of using them to control my singularity machine to the precision required to go back in time
[22:29] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:31] <Thorn_> ?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> are they powewrful enough for that?
[22:32] <Thorn_> no - but they'll be close enough to the singularity (yet externally controlling it) that time will slow down for them and therefore process faster in normal-time.
[22:34] * IT_Sean has the sneaking suspicion that Thorn_ is taking out of his arse
[22:34] <Thorn_> *mumbles* pfft, never built a time machine before?
[22:34] * Thorn_ goes back to skyrim
[22:35] <Thorn_> *one day i will switch dimensions and be in skyrim for real*
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[22:44] <ahven> #1, videoplayer for my tv, and probably will fit StepMania over there too
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