#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-11-22

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[0:11] <mdavey> stupid aurora web browser
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[0:31] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
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[0:51] <UnderSampled> Is there audio in, or do I need to look for USB soundcards?
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[0:59] <IT_Sean> UnderSampled, USB
[1:00] <traeak> so why do so many people all of a sudden care about WinCE ?
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[1:02] <mikeanthonywild> Hey guys :)
[1:06] <UnderSampled> traeak: I have no idea
[1:06] <UnderSampled> familiarity?
[1:06] <UnderSampled> but WinCE does keep compatibility with NT, does it?
[1:07] <UnderSampled> mikeanthonywild: hi!
[1:07] <traeak> huh ?
[1:07] <UnderSampled> traeak: can WinCE run win32 executables?
[1:07] <mikeanthonywild> nope
[1:07] <UnderSampled> so why would they want it?
[1:08] <mikeanthonywild> sorry I joined the conversation late
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[1:08] <mikeanthonywild> why would who want what? xD
[1:09] <UnderSampled> mikeanthonywild: why would people want WinCE on the Raspberry Pi
[1:10] <traeak> because they're too lazy to port their pre existing applications to the R-PI
[1:10] <traeak> and want someone else to do Microsoft's work for free
[1:10] <UnderSampled> but you have to port to WinCE just as much as to linux
[1:10] <mikeanthonywild> IMO it is pointless, most WinCE software is legacy
[1:10] <UnderSampled> well, maybe not just as much, but you still have ot do some
[1:11] <traeak> if the applications already ran on wince
[1:11] <mikeanthonywild> and yes, they would have to port the GPU firmware to do anything useful
[1:11] <mikeanthonywild> which isn't going to happen, ever.
[1:11] <traeak> ie: someone made a stupid decision and decided to target wince
[1:11] <traeak> just like some idiot companies i work with targeted silverlight
[1:11] <traeak> they just never friggin' learn
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[1:12] <mikeanthonywild> don't even get me started on Microsoft xD
[1:12] <UnderSampled> yeah, you could easily just say they made a stupid decision for choosing to use microsoft in general
[1:12] <traeak> well microsoft on the desktop is generally "safe"
[1:12] <UnderSampled> but that is just as rational as saying that it's stupid that someone chose linux
[1:12] <mikeanthonywild> who is it that's targeted wince?
[1:13] <traeak> but going beyond that is pretty questionable
[1:13] <traeak> just the 2 newish forums topics started on wince
[1:13] <UnderSampled> microsoft has a very well integrated development line
[1:13] <mikeanthonywild> ah yes, I think I remember reading one a while ago
[1:14] <traeak> leverage their monopoly to get them into other markets, yes
[1:14] <UnderSampled> and they have customer support for developers
[1:14] <traeak> i hate their tools
[1:14] <traeak> and the arbitrary stupidity of developing for their desktop OS
[1:15] <UnderSampled> traeak: I realize that it's silly of me to try to defend microsoft on IRC (where everyone loves linux)
[1:15] <mikeanthonywild> cross platform development is a bitch when windows is a target
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[1:15] <UnderSampled> but I maintain that they are not always a bad choise for enterprise
[1:15] <mikeanthonywild> i guess it's whatever suits the purpose
[1:15] <traeak> customers in many cases are running it
[1:15] <traeak> so that requires it
[1:16] <UnderSampled> I do, however, definately agree that it's odd that anyone would want WinCE on the Raspbery Pi
[1:16] <traeak> i just won't do any "development" on windows...only "polishing"
[1:16] <traeak> except the reasons i presented above
[1:16] <traeak> they've been developing stuff on it before and also likely have products targeting wince
[1:17] <UnderSampled> I suppose
[1:17] <traeak> the rpi will blow a huge hole in a lot of these companies delivering custom ARM embedded solutions
[1:17] <UnderSampled> in which case it would be ablosutly awseome to get WinCE on the raspberry pi
[1:17] <UnderSampled> that is not a problem
[1:17] <traeak> cool, so get microsoft to do it, right ?
[1:17] <UnderSampled> no
[1:17] <traeak> you mean it's not their product?
[1:17] <UnderSampled> well, to port the the rpi, sure
[1:18] <UnderSampled> I doubt they will
[1:18] <traeak> and that's the answer :-p
[1:18] <mikeanthonywild> but wince is just such a legacy product, I can't understand how it's useful
[1:18] <traeak> too arrogant to follow an emerging market
[1:18] <traeak> i don't think anything MS has that's modern will run on the Pi....run tolerably at leasat
[1:18] <UnderSampled> but I could see a company finding that the rpi is so much cheaper than what they have, that they might spend the effort to get winCE working
[1:18] <mikeanthonywild> hmm, I think they're probably focusing on Windows 8 ARM support
[1:18] <traeak> and i seriously doubt the new stuff targets anything less than armv7
[1:18] <UnderSampled> mikeanthonywild: because it's a legacy product
[1:19] <UnderSampled> the point is you don't have to write new software to do the same thing
[1:19] <mikeanthonywild> true
[1:20] <UnderSampled> so I say, good luck to the company that needs it, but I dont need it, so I'll stick to linux :D
[1:20] <mikeanthonywild> touche :D
[1:20] <mikeanthonywild> I have a friend of mine who is planning on doing some bare-metal progreamming on the RPi
[1:21] <mikeanthonywild> could be fairly interesting :S
[1:21] <traeak> and i'm sure whoever ports wince is more than willing to just give away the port, right ?
[1:21] <UnderSampled> I also say, Please mr. Braodcom, open up the GPU glob so these member of our community can easily acheive what they need
[1:21] <traeak> *if* someone doesn't release an armv7 processor with the same format as the rpi for a comparable price
[1:21] <UnderSampled> traeak: they may, it depends on if they have competitors who would benefit from it
[1:21] <traeak> i'd say the rpi will be the perfect lowest common denominator for OS research stuff
[1:22] <UnderSampled> yes
[1:22] <UnderSampled> and clustering
[1:22] <traeak> wil be intersting to see how big and involved the linux userspace is for the GPU
[1:22] <traeak> nah, clustering isn't worth it...just for playing, sure, but nothing serious
[1:22] <UnderSampled> for research
[1:23] <UnderSampled> buying lots of cheap small computers to get ready for big onces
[1:23] <UnderSampled> *ones
[1:23] <mikeanthonywild> especially considering you can push the clocks upwards of 900MHz
[1:23] <UnderSampled> how many hours on EC2 is one rPi?
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[1:23] <traeak> kind of like the nuclear reactor my school had...it was small enough that it was used for qualifying people on reactor operation....even schools who had their own reactors sent their students to the school i went to because they couldn't just stop and start their reactors when they wanted
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[1:24] <Dagger3> we do of course have VMs for testing clustering nowadays
[1:24] <traeak> well yeah that's true...i forget about that
[1:24] <traeak> which is probably far more useful
[1:26] <mikeanthonywild> anywho I need to catch some sleep
[1:26] <mikeanthonywild> Catch you all later.
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[1:27] <UnderSampled> the rPi definately replaces the shiva-plug though
[1:28] <traeak> i'd say it shouldn't be too long before one of the other arm vendors tries to counteract the r-pi
[1:29] <UnderSampled> yes, makes sense
[1:29] <traeak> what will be interesting is to see what they offer.
[1:29] <UnderSampled> but that's one reason I think the raspberry pi foundation was started
[1:29] <traeak> broadcom employees work on it
[1:30] <UnderSampled> to get people to realize that we can go for the fast and cheep part of the good, fast, cheep triange
[1:30] <traeak> so broadcom can recover some costs through tax savings
[1:30] <UnderSampled> *triangle
[1:30] <traeak> fast, cheap and "good enough"
[1:32] <UnderSampled> well, it's a solid triangle
[1:34] <UnderSampled> I guess it should be fast, cheep, and small
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[13:56] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[14:29] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[14:43] <ahven> hello
[14:43] <ukscone> gggrrrrr morning
[14:58] <rstallman> Hello all. Is there any word on what the maximum order of the first batch of rasbpi's will be, or a date for the second batch?
[14:58] <ahven> first batch = 10k
[14:59] <rstallman> Would I be able to order, say, 10 units?
[15:02] <Anppa> there's been some talk about an initial one per person limit
[15:04] <Anppa> and some about a "buy one, donate one" scheme
[15:06] <rstallman> I would be fine with a BODO scheme, but a limit of 1 per person is a little annoying.
[15:06] <Anppa> agree
[15:07] <Anppa> probably easy to circumvent, but dumb regarding postage and the general idea of sending separate packages
[15:07] <atts> i think liz said on twitter it was limited to 1 per address
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[15:07] <IT_MTNG> >.>
[15:07] <IT_MTNG> <.<
[15:07] <Anppa> if such happens, i'll wait until the restriction is lifted so that me and a couple of friends can place just a single order for our units
[15:09] <Anppa> so, probably won't be having one by xmas, but that's ok
[15:10] <rstallman> I'll just have to ship to different addresses then I guess.
[15:11] <IT_MTNG> what's going on?
[15:11] <Anppa> or have some patience :)
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[15:15] <rstallman> I could have patience, but my boss wants these on all company sites by jan 1st =/
[15:16] <ahven> hehe :D
[15:16] <ahven> poor you :)
[15:16] <ahven> it isn't out yet and deadlines already
[15:16] <Anppa> the first 1k should be sold one-by-one for people queueing at raspi warehouse :]
[15:17] <IT_MTNG> heh
[15:17] * IT_MTNG wants one dammit
[15:19] <Anppa> prepare your camping gear, then!
[15:19] <ahven> hijacking the raspi delivering lorry sounds like a plan? :)
[15:20] <rstallman> I can fund that. Where are they being produced?
[15:22] <Anppa> we could do it the chinese way, start a night shift at the factory producing pirate copies
[15:23] <rstallman> but that would mean more delays! what we need is action!
[15:23] <IT_MTNG> why don't we just hijack the shipment. Anyone got a ford transit & a fook loader?
[15:23] <IT_MTNG> *fork
[15:24] <rstallman> I'm sure we could get 20 people involved, and 20 nerds should be enough to lift one crate, you'd hope.
[15:25] <IT_MTNG> yeah... but the idea is to get more than one crate. You can, after all, fit a lot in a Transit. :p
[15:25] <IT_MTNG> I had access to a Merc Sprinter at my old job. Log wheelbase, high roof. We could swipe that as well.
[15:25] <Anppa> takes too long to recharge the nerds with cola between crates
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[15:28] <ahven> Anppa: recharge is easy - just let them peek in the box for a second ;)
[15:28] <IT_MTNG> heh
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[16:03] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[16:03] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[16:05] * IT_Sean drops several SAMSUNG execs into a gaint BlendTech blender & presses the smoothy button
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[16:36] <traeak> people complaining about not being able to order 10
[16:36] <traeak> it'd be more annoying not to get one than not to get 10
[16:39] <ukscone> that's the problem with it being so low priced -- people want them and several at that :)
[16:39] * IT_Sean only wants one
[16:39] <traeak> in time they can have as many as they want
[16:40] <traeak> it only requires 1 or maybe 2 to prototype
[16:40] <IT_Sean> are they limiting initial sales #s /person ?
[16:40] <traeak> a month later or so they can buy more
[16:40] <traeak> :-p
[16:41] <IT_Sean> are they limiting initial sales to 1 per person or something?
[16:41] <traeak> i believe so
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Good.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> That'll stop some wanker from ordering a whole load of 'em. I might be able to get the 1 i want from the initial batch.
[16:42] <traeak> they figure that 10 people with one provides a better test/sample set than one person with 10
[16:43] <traeak> go figure, eh?
[16:43] <IT_Sean> I'd agree with that
[16:43] <traeak> sounds like more whiners again :-p
[16:43] <IT_Sean> screw the greedy bastids
[16:43] <traeak> greedy bastards can wait a month or 2
[16:43] <IT_Sean> exactly.
[16:44] <traeak> probably those bastards want to order a bunch then turn a profit on fleabay
[16:44] <IT_Sean> quite possibly
[16:44] <IT_Sean> I hate that
[16:44] <traeak> and they're whining about not being able to scalp stuff
[16:44] <traeak> in fact
[16:44] <traeak> if someone comes on whining about that i would just immediately call them fleabay whores :-p
[16:45] <traeak> any better insult comes to mind? :-p
[16:46] <IT_Sean> "bastard whore offspring of a dingleberry and a pube" ?
[16:46] <piofcube> I best keep quiet as to how many I need then :P
[16:46] <IT_Sean> aye... you best.
[16:47] <traeak> yeah, fleabay whore
[16:47] <Anppa> i _need_ 0, but will be ordering half a dozen once they are available in those quantities
[16:47] <piofcube> Though, as the first batch is limited, I don't mind waiting for to get other units for the other projects LMAO
[16:48] <traeak> it's not like one person is going to finish 10 projects in one month
[16:48] <traeak> or frankly, not even one
[16:48] <piofcube> You gotta say the Fealbay whore with a Yosemity Sam voice ;-)
[16:48] <piofcube> fleabay**
[16:49] <IT_Sean> i say i sa isa isay you just a flee flee fleebay whooooore!
[16:49] <IT_Sean> like that?
[16:49] <piofcube> Yep...
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[16:50] <piofcube> Hard to type with s super-glued finger... Blasted case I got... it siad it had rolled edges for safety but I still manage to take a slice off my finger with the back plate mounting hole.
[16:51] * IT_Sean shudders
[16:51] <traeak> ahh yes, superglue hea
[16:51] <traeak> athough superglue is tough if there's blood everywhere
[16:51] <piofcube> Didn't realise until I saw the 3 inch diam pubble of blood... Thought it was ink at first...
[16:51] * IT_Sean feels slightly woozy and turns a little green
[16:52] * IT_Sean faints
[16:52] <piofcube> *wafts smelling salts at IT_Sean*
[16:54] <piofcube> Doc said I had grazed the tendon but didn't need stiches... I though sod that... gimme some superglue... ain't got time for to wait for it to nit together... I got work to do
[16:54] * IT_Sean passes out again
[16:55] <Anppa> how many times can we get IT_Sean to pass out?
[16:55] <piofcube> With the neuropathy... I didn't feel a thing... talk about small mercies :S
[16:55] <traeak> that means you still need to heal up and probably don't need in the first pi batch
[16:55] <piofcube> LOL
[16:55] * jzu throws a bucket of cold water at IT_Sean
[16:56] <piofcube> Good job Rasperry pis wont come in tins like frey bentos pie... I probs slit my wrist
[16:58] <piofcube> My remote came today so that's one more thing. Just waiting for the USB sound card and I'm just about set for the first R-Pi video...
[16:58] <traeak> i guess should probably stock up on sd cards
[16:58] <traeak> i mostly have micro cards nowadays
[16:59] <piofcube> The remote has a mouse pad emulator/thing and it apparently works with the vanilla linux kernel so I have high hopes for using it on the Pi
[17:00] <traeak> gaming or streaming?
[17:01] <piofcube> It's just a TV style remote so should be perfect for the media streamer
[17:02] <piofcube> It's really just a USB - IR module with a tv remote with fancy buttons ;-) but I might be able to rig up a serial IR interface also for those that want it
[17:16] <IT_Sean> my office is getting a little messy
[17:16] <IT_Sean> I should probably do something about that at some point, before i get buried by an avalanche of circuit boards, serial cables, and product manuals
[17:19] <piofcube> You used to know when a manual droppped on yuor foot back when IBM etc used to bind their manuals in what felt like ply wood and then put the binding into a hard sleeve.. These days you're lucky to get them on paper
[17:19] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:19] <IT_Sean> all of our manuals are in PDF form. But i have paper copies for proofreading
[17:19] <jzu> I still have the IBM PC-XT Technical Reference
[17:20] <piofcube> I found an old DR DOS manual a month or two back in my "let's put it here for safe keeping" pile.
[17:20] <jzu> including a full listing of the BIOS
[17:20] * IT_Sean has the leaning tower of circuit boards on the shelf above his desk
[17:21] <piofcube> and a Merlin terminal manual
[17:24] <jzu> has anyone here connected a Kinect to a Linux machine?
[17:24] <traeak> will you buy me one?
[17:24] <IT_Sean> If you buy me one, i'll plug it into my laptop :p
[17:25] <jzu> I'm considering a whole range of neat applications
[17:25] <piofcube> I've heard there's mocap software for linux but not looked into it... Not sure if you would need a kinect specific driver
[17:26] <traeak> people definitely are using linux with the kinect
[17:26] <traeak> but if it requires a driver i can't say
[17:26] <traeak> it coud just be returning a grayscale image which is an encoded depth field
[17:26] <jzu> there are libs on Ubuntu, but htey haven't been packaged on Debian
[17:27] <jzu> yet
[17:28] <traeak> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=kinect&do_Search=Go
[17:28] <traeak> another good reason to run arch
[17:28] <jzu> for example, some kind of Theremin on steroids could be fun to use
[17:31] <ctyler> traeak: Andor Salga from xbpointstream has done stuff with kinect
[17:31] * ctyler peeks at his desk around corner
[17:31] <ctyler> he's not online atm but his nick is andor
[17:34] <jzu> I know people have been toying with the Kinect on Linux from day one but some details about the bandwidth of a single USB port were a bit blurry, from what I recall
[17:35] <jzu> there was a thread on the forum this summer
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[17:36] <traeak> some guys in boulder were working on a modified cellphone camera, adding a diffraction grating to it and getting distance information from that. I believe they sold it to sony
[17:36] <traeak> not sure what sony has done with it though
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[17:36] <traeak> would be a more precise product than kinect, smaller, and perhaps also a passive system
[17:36] <traeak> *but* not on market == vaporware, eh?
[17:37] <jzu> passive?
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[17:37] <jzu> not available anyway
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[17:45] <mikeanthonywild> Good day :)
[17:45] <IT_Sean> is it?
[17:45] <IT_Sean> I didn't get that memo/
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Now tomorrow. TOmorrow will be a Good Day. Today... not so much.
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[17:46] <piofcube> Today is a good day to "Pi"
[17:47] * IT_Sean groans
[17:47] <piofcube> LOL
[17:58] * IT_Sean slaps piofcube with a batleth (or however you spell it)
[17:59] <mikeanthonywild> a batleth :O
[17:59] <mikeanthonywild> *googles*
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[18:06] <piofcube> *looks around for a spare HDD*
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[18:11] <piofcube> Hmmm *ponders* should I use the DVD bay for a drive or a LCD display?
[18:12] <IT_Sean> LCD display
[18:13] <piofcube> I have a display already mounted on a DVD sized plate so that would fit in real nice and enough room on one side for the R-Pi logo
[18:13] <piofcube> An it has a hole cut out for the IR receiver... yep.. I'll go with the display
[18:14] <piofcube> Just getting stuff together for the R-Pi video :-)
[18:16] * IT_Sean ponders a raspi based video / teleconference solution
[18:24] <piofcube> I'm just wondering what to do with the reset switch on the case... Use it as a power switch for some of the USB devices perhaps?
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[22:42] <mikeanthonywild> I'm starting to compile a list of compatible hardware for the RPi, does anyone have an alpha board which they have tested stuff with?
[22:45] <UnderSampled> mikeanthonywild: what isn't compatible?
[22:45] <mikeanthonywild> well perhaps compatible isn't the right word, more, hardware which is particularly well suited to the RPi
[22:46] <mikeanthonywild> such as wireless keyboards etc.
[22:49] <UnderSampled> well, you should add these, if they work:
[22:49] <UnderSampled> http://www.amazon.com/AirLink101-AWLL5088-Wireless-Ultra-Adapter/dp/B003X26PMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321764337&sr=8-1
[22:49] <UnderSampled> http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Bluetooth-Adapter-Windows-Compatible/dp/B0026SKZO0/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1321764440&sr=1-5
[22:52] <Dagger3> just to check: does that wireless dongle actually have drivers? it'll be useless if it needs ndiswrapper
[22:54] <UnderSampled> I have no idea
[22:54] <UnderSampled> I just picked it because it's smaller than the usb port :P
[22:55] <Dagger3> well, maybe it would be useful to check before adding it to a list of "hardware that's particularly suited for use with the RPi"
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[23:00] <mdavey> mikeanthonywild: http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardVerifiedPeripherals
[23:00] <mikeanthonywild> brilliant, that's the sort of thing I was looking for
[23:00] <mdavey> yes, please only add stuff that's actually been tested
[23:01] <Dagger3> looks like RTL8188 has in-kernel drivers, so it _should_ be fine: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Drivers
[23:02] <Dagger3> non-free firmware required though
[23:03] <UnderSampled> Dagger3: is that what the think I listed uses?
[23:04] <Dagger3> according to the top review, yeah
[23:05] <mikeanthonywild> tbh, with a lot of stuff like that you're SoL with regards to free firmware
[23:05] <traeak> probably should go for bluetooth v3.0 at least
[23:06] <Dagger3> very true, but I'd be willing to pay slightly extra for a micro wireless adapter with free firmware if I could just find one
[23:07] <traeak> Dagger3: who cares about binary blog...just load up the blog and as long as the interface is open you're good
[23:07] <traeak> blob even :-p
[23:08] <traeak> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-b-g-150mbps-wi-fi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-black-71905
[23:08] <traeak> there'sanother small wireless adapter with linux support
[23:09] <Dagger3> traeak: evidentally me, and I don't think we really need to go over why non-free firmware is a problem _yet again_
[23:10] <traeak> heh
[23:10] <UnderSampled> traeak: we care about the binary blob if it doesn't support ARM
[23:10] <UnderSampled> other than that, I have no reason
[23:11] <mdavey> traeak: that last link looks very similar to the one I have here, which happens to have a broadcom chip in it.
[23:12] <UnderSampled> mdavey: does that one work on your Raspberry Pi?
[23:12] <mdavey> not out of the box, nope.
[23:13] <Dagger3> http://club.dealextreme.com/forums/Forums.dx/threadid.954080 says rt5370 (which is also in the "in-kernel driver + non-free firmware" category)
[23:13] <UnderSampled> could it be made to work out of the box>
[23:13] <UnderSampled> ?
[23:13] <mdavey> But perhaps it would be easier to get it working with the R.Pi than the average non-FOSS driver.
[23:15] <ctyler> there's a difference between a binary blob you dump onto a device, and something running on your CPU
[23:15] <ctyler> if binary blobs dropped onto peripherals bother you, the Raspi is not (yet) your kind of toy
[23:18] <UnderSampled> oh
[23:18] <UnderSampled> yeah, that's fine
[23:18] <UnderSampled> I am totally ok with that
[23:21] <Dagger3> there's a difference between "avoiding blobs if possible" and "avoiding blobs at all costs" though
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[23:22] <Dagger3> the RPi is unsuitable for those in the second group, but those in the first would be interested by a wireless adapter that doesn't require non-free firmware
[23:22] <mikeanthonywild> Avoiding blobs at all costs probably isn't going to be much fun :P
[23:23] <Dagger3> so I figured I'd mention that the adapters we looked do, since I happened to be looking at a page that mentioned that fact anyway
[23:25] <ctyler> it's definitely cleaner and easier to support a device without a firmware download blob
[23:26] * ctyler draws the line between binary drivers (forget it) and binary firmware (grudgingly accept)
[23:27] <traeak> hard drives have firmware, you just don't have to bother with the OS loading the firmware itself, the drive loads it on powerup
[23:28] <ctyler> printers do too
[23:28] <ctyler> but if the host doesn't have to dump it to the device, so much the better; one less thing to go wrong
[23:29] <traeak> at that point it comes down to cost
[23:30] <ctyler> and execute-from-flash ability of the MCU :-)
[23:34] <ctyler> anyone used one of those micro-wifi adapters that barely stick out of the USB port? are the antennas any good?
[23:36] <traeak> probably not
[23:37] <traeak> howgood? dunno...i'm too lazy to calculate what the required antenna length is for the signal
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