#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-12-01

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[1:04] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> Anyone with dev board/dev/doing funky stuff when they get their raspberry pi?
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[1:14] <duckinator> hi
[1:16] <UnderSampled> duckinator: hi!
[1:16] <Crazytails> Hi duckinator
[1:17] <duckinator> anything interesting going on? :P
[1:18] <Crazytails> Does the RasPi board have screw holes for standoff mounting?
[1:18] <UnderSampled> Crazytails: sadly, no
[1:19] <Crazytails> Boo.
[1:19] <UnderSampled> but you can use some adhesive squares
[1:19] <Crazytails> Adhesive is icky!
[1:21] * duckinator adhesives Crazytails' brain to the ceiling
[1:23] * IT_Sean sticks adhesive squares in Crazytails' ears
[1:24] <Crazytails> I was thinking about creating an IP65 enclosure for the RasPi.
[1:26] <Crazytails> And since environments that are harsh like that sometimes are harsh in vibration as well, rubber-decoupled screw mounting would be appropriate.
[1:27] <Crazytails> Adhesive squares are just.... fucking kludgey.
[1:27] <duckinator> Crazytails: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code <-- you mean that? would mean it's dust tight and immune to water jets, right?
[1:27] <duckinator> indeed, adhesive squares make me sad
[1:27] <Crazytails> Yeah, exactly.
[1:29] <duckinator> that's pretty neat, really. although i'd have no use :)
[1:29] <Crazytails> I would use it an automotive application.
[1:30] <Crazytails> 65 might be overkill, but snow is serious biz in Michigan.
[1:30] <IT_Sean> unless you are mounting it UNDER your car, is that really necessary?
[1:30] <duckinator> hey, better to overdo it than find out it nuked itself from getting wet :)
[1:31] <Crazytails> IT_Sean: Water and snow get tracked into cars pretty easily, yeah IP65 is somewhat overkill but if it's not too expensive, then why not do it.
[1:31] <IT_Sean> are you mounting your raspi to the floor?
[1:32] <Crazytails> IT_Sean: Probably under the front passenger seat or possibly behind the centre stack.
[1:32] <IT_Sean> ah
[1:32] <duckinator> i'm looking into a small laptop. i might try making it dustproof just because..well.....have you LOOKED inside a laptop after a few months? :)
[1:32] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff
[1:32] <duckinator> laptop interiors are scary things... ._.
[1:32] <Crazytails> duckinator: It's a necessary evil; most laptops generate enough heat to require a fan.
[1:32] <Crazytails> I used to have a fanless netbook though. Dell Mini 9
[1:33] <duckinator> Crazytails: sadly so...but not the pi, it seems!
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[1:44] <IT_Sean> My laptop usually stays pretty dust free
[1:45] <IT_Sean> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hoodies/8cd1/
[1:45] <IT_Sean> ^^ that
[1:45] <IT_Sean> Whoops, wrong channel
[1:46] <iMatttt> Nice shirt though
[1:48] <IT_Sean> I think i need it at work
[1:48] <IT_Sean> When you work technical support, shirts like that are handy.
[1:49] <ReggieUK> it needs an expletive
[1:49] <ReggieUK> just to finesse the point
[1:49] <IT_Sean> nah... need to keep it SFW
[1:50] <ReggieUK> expletive with appropriate *s
[1:52] <traeak> Crazytails: just drill 4 holes in the board, it should be okay
[1:54] <Crazytails> traeak: I may be a software person, but I'm not that stupid regarding the physical realm.
[1:54] <traeak> Crazytails: :-p
[1:54] <ReggieUK> with a name like crazytails, who knew?
[1:54] <ReggieUK> ;)
[1:56] <traeak> Crazytails: just make sure you keep the board upright, otherwise the bits might fall out the wrong way
[1:56] <IT_Sean> Crazytails, it's okay. really. The electrons can jump the gap.
[1:56] <IT_Sean> They know where they are supposed to go
[1:56] * duckinator cuts a ATX PSU in half and puts IT_Sean's head in the middle
[1:57] * IT_Sean moves
[1:57] <traeak> aww crap burned by a union
[1:57] <IT_Sean> ?
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[2:01] <traeak> union { somestuff } someunion;
[2:01] <traeak> hehe
[2:01] <Crazytails> traeak: not burned by a struct?
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[2:08] <UnderSampled> There actually may be some spots on the board where you could drill a hole
[2:08] <UnderSampled> you may hate to sacrifice some functionallity though
[2:09] <UnderSampled> *have
[2:10] <duckinator> lol
[2:10] <UnderSampled> two good places would be in place of the ethernet port, and in place of the composite video out
[2:15] <Crazytails> UnderSampled: Don't know much specifics about my application yet, but I'd rather not sacrifice functionality.
[2:16] <UnderSampled> Crazytails: unless you need Composite out, those places are unused on a model A
[2:16] <UnderSampled> but do whatever you want
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[2:17] <traeak> definitely makes cases a bit more "interesting"
[2:17] <traeak> basically have to use an inset type instead of a secure case
[2:18] <UnderSampled> you could just make your case the right size
[2:36] <traeak> yeah, exactly
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[2:59] <duckinator> traeak: for my laptop design, i was thinking the usual 'clip in' style if you happen to be a mind reader
[2:59] <duckinator> if you aren't, i'll go hunt for a picture :P
[2:59] <relaxed> Anyone know if 50% of the 10,000 are version B? Or is it more?
[2:59] <DaQatz> There should be more model B's then A's.
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[11:02] <mdavey_> morning all
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[11:58] <Laurenceb> hello #vapourware
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[12:22] <friggle> Laurenceb: I hardly think it's fair to call it vapourware yet. Even if you're intent on being unkind to the project, you should at least wait until January
[12:23] * Laurenceb just likes to troll
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[12:49] <mdavey> Laurenceb: what's your interest in Raspberry Pi? What would you use it for or do with it if it turns out it isn't vapourware?
[12:49] <Laurenceb> maybe UAVs
[12:50] <Laurenceb> i have my own UAV board, but raspberry pi might just be usable
[12:50] <Laurenceb> not sure how good the hardware support will be - i really need interrupts
[13:02] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:02] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[13:06] <relaxed> Is it really $1.91 USD for one sticker or do you get 8 like in the picture?
[13:08] <friggle> relaxed: think of it as a donation and helping to test out the store
[13:10] <relaxed> ok :)
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[14:13] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
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[14:55] * IT_Sean pokes ukscone with a pointy stick
[14:55] <IT_Sean> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood Mooorning! :)
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[14:55] <ukscone> bog off IT_Sean
[14:55] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:56] <ukscone> unusually for me i am in a bad mood rather than being the normal all sweetness and light
[14:56] <IT_Sean> that' not very nice.
[14:56] <IT_Sean> what's wrong this morning?
[14:56] <ukscone> wife is home sick yet again, there is only a jar of instant cpoffee in the house and the kid has just handed be 40 sides of A4 that he needs typed up by 6pm
[14:57] <IT_Sean> ouch
[14:57] <ukscone> and he can't do it as he has an extra peer lab duty today as he lost 3 hours last week
[14:57] <ukscone> that he needs to make up
[14:58] <ukscone> so rather than my normal cheerful self i am in a grumpy mood
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[16:07] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[16:08] * IT_Sean sticks Thorn_s head in the toilet and flushes
[16:09] <Thorn_> that's not very nice
[16:09] <Laurenceb> ukscone: why is that your problem :P
[16:10] <IT_Sean> no, it probably isn't
[16:10] * IT_Sean apologises to Thorn_, and hands him a towel
[16:11] * Thorn_ wraps the towel tightly round IT_Sean's face and runs away
[16:11] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: that's not very nice
[16:11] <Thorn_> no, it probably isn't
[16:11] <Thorn_> but it looks funny!
[16:12] * IT_Sean stumbles around and manages to remove the towel, but not before knocking a cup of tea over onto Thorn_s keyboard, causing his computer to *FIZZLPOP!*
[16:13] <ukscone> IT_Sean: we all know that was diliberate so that Thorn_ won't be online on release day so one less person to be trampled in your attempt to get pi
[16:13] <IT_Sean> your point?
[16:13] <ukscone> IT_Sean: no point other than "way to go!!!!!"
[16:13] <IT_Sean> :)
[16:14] * IT_Sean makes a mental note to save a spot in the pi line for ukscone
[16:14] <ukscone> 1 down 19,999 to go
[16:14] <ukscone> at the moment i think it's a half pi each
[16:14] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:14] <IT_Sean> bummer
[16:15] <ukscone> IT_Sean: you mean you haven't booked your flight and packed your tent to go camp outside raspberry towers?
[16:15] <IT_Sean> did months ago
[16:15] <IT_Sean> and tent? I booked a van :p
[16:15] <ukscone> i just sent mooncake a tuna fish and kipper bribe. hoping the cat will grab a couple and hide them away for me
[16:16] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:17] <ukscone> oh and before i forget -- IT_Sean: pinch, punch it's the 1st of the month and no returns :p
[16:18] <IT_Sean> wha?
[16:19] <ukscone> IT_Sean: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pinch_and_a_punch_for_the_first_of_the_month
[16:19] <IT_Sean> never heard of that before
[16:21] <Laurenceb> lol i remeber that from school
[16:21] <ukscone> Laurenceb: yeah. i still have the bruises :)
[16:21] <IT_Sean> all i remember from school is getting beaten up alot.
[16:22] <ukscone> IT_Sean: likewise
[16:23] <IT_Sean> although, i do take a small amount of pleasure in the knowlidge that the one bully who always picked on me the most ended up behind bars befre graduating highschool
[16:25] <IT_Sean> .. and in the fact that i got to watch him get arrested outside the school was icing on the cake.
[16:27] <ukscone> :)
[16:28] <IT_Sean> He got done for felony possession of marijuana in a school zone w/ intent to distribute
[16:29] <IT_Sean> he cut class to smoke a joint in his car, which was parked right outside the school. A teacher saw him, the police were called. They found 18lbs of pot in his car, as well as a large sum of cash.
[16:29] <ukscone> heh
[16:30] <ukscone> so he didn't get done for the drugs and cash but for the stupidity of having them on him in an observable location
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Well, thats how he got caught. HE was charged with possessing the drug. The fact that it was within a school zone makes it a more severe sentence, and the large amount of both drugs and money found shows intent to distribute, which again, makes it a more harsh sentence.
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[16:41] * IT_Sean shouldn't have had the hommade spinach, onion, and sundried tomato pizza for dinner last night :/
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[17:52] * IT_Sean grumbles, then tries to determine which of the devices in his office just released some magical blue smoke
[18:01] <ukscone> probably the one that is most important and that you havee no spares for
[18:03] <IT_Sean> nah... oddly the power LED on one of the prototypes i'm testing just went POOF. Otherwise, the device is still working
[18:03] <IT_Sean> weird failure
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[18:15] <traeak> !w
[18:15] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Dec 1 10:53:00 2011. Temp -3??C. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 92%. Later -3??C - -15??C. Condition: Snow
[18:16] <traeak> IT_Sean: secret meth lab?
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[18:19] <IT_Sean> ?
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[19:32] <ania> raspberry board here
[19:32] <IT_Sean> ?
[19:33] <RITRedbeard> If only.
[19:33] <IT_Sean> oh wow... they really are 'credid card sized' aren't they! :D
[19:34] <IT_Sean> things are getting exciting!!!!
[19:34] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, that 'credit card' size is actually some ISO standard, I hope they stick with it.
[19:36] <RITRedbeard> I thought by now Texas Instruments or Gumstix would have tried to crush Raspberry Pi... thankfully not. :)
[19:39] <RITRedbeard> Also looking at the beta PCB, seems like if one was so inclined, they could desolder the RJ-45 and USB Standard A ports to minimize height.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> why would you do that, though?
[19:41] <IT_Sean> networking & USB > slimmer board, IMO
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[19:43] <RITRedbeard> To replace the USB A females with Micro/Mini USB female
[19:43] <RITRedbeard> Depending on what Digikey/Mouser has and the pin spacing is alright.
[19:43] <IT_Sean> but now you are getting into allsorts of custom cable arrangments just to plug stuff in
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[19:43] <RITRedbeard> Well, that's sort of the point of this device, no? :)
[19:43] <IT_Sean> also, the pin spacing between the different sorts of USB ports is drastically different
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[19:44] <RITRedbeard> What are you going to use Raspberry Pi for?
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> embedded media device of sorts.
[19:45] <chris_99> doesn't the blog post make it sound like they'll be out next year
[19:46] <IT_Sean> sounds like late this year to me
[19:46] <RITRedbeard> Sounds like sometime beyond Jan 1st, yeah. That's okay, though.
[19:47] <chris_99> "I don?t think, sadly, that you?re going to be able to give them away as Christmas gifts this year. We will, however, be making as many of these as we can sell (not just 10k) in the new year, so I suggest you get planning for birthdays, anniversaries and wedding presents!
[19:47] <chris_99> "
[19:47] <chris_99> darn
[19:47] <IT_Sean> bugger
[19:48] <Thorn_> meh
[19:48] <IT_Sean> shitearse
[19:48] <Thorn_> cuntsacks
[19:48] <RITRedbeard> More time to plot and apparently lots of people are playing with qemu.
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[19:49] <IT_Sean> mmm... plotting and scheming
[19:49] <chris_99> wonder how much the auctioned ones may go for though
[19:49] <chris_99> being only 100 they'll go rather fast though
[19:49] <friggle> hopefully a lot
[19:50] <RITRedbeard> Maybe can get some philanthropists to get in on the bidding.
[19:51] * IT_Sean wants a raspi, but not enough to want to try to outbid impatient idiots
[19:51] <IT_Sean> That said, i do hope raspiDotOrg gets loads of money for 'em
[19:54] <ahven> waah
[19:54] <ahven> me want pi
[19:54] <ahven> but that december was too optimistic also
[19:55] * IT_Sean sighs
[19:55] <IT_Sean> we want pi dammit!
[19:56] <iMatttt> Who in this room doesnt :/
[19:56] <friggle> I think it would have been better to under promise and over deliver, but what can you do. I'm guilty of many over-optimistic estimates myself, particularly for things I'm excited about
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[19:58] <ahven> atleast they are showing the progress :)
[19:58] <IT_Sean> aye
[19:58] <IT_Sean> and it looks like we are REEEALY close
[19:59] <RITRedbeard> Call me crazy but I think this Arrandale is going to be last x86 machine in awhile...
[19:59] <RITRedbeard> For myself, anyway.
[19:59] <ania> raspberry pi is not cheap!
[20:00] <IT_Sean> ?
[20:01] <RITRedbeard> How'd you mean? It isn't subsidized by Broadcom, is it? The impression I've always had was that was at this price point on volume ordering/non-subsizidation alone.
[20:02] <RITRedbeard> Unless you meant $25/$35 + peripheral hardware breaks the bank.
[20:02] <IT_Sean> $35 + odd fiddily bits is pretty darned inexpensive, IMO
[20:02] <ania> 23 pounds + 20%vat....+ charger up to 5 gbp+ sd card 8-10 gbp...plus hdmi cable about 5-10 gbp...+ case god knows how much
[20:03] <IT_Sean> lots of the extra bits are things people are likely to havelying around anyway
[20:03] <RITRedbeard> You guys pay 20% sales tax?
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[20:03] <friggle> ania: ??5-10 for a HDMI cable? they don't cost that
[20:03] <ahven> http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu322/RobotNine/Homeless%20Signs/HomelessManSignWillCodeHTMLComputer.jpg < ania instantly reminded of these photos :P
[20:04] <Faperdaper> Haha
[20:04] <RITRedbeard> I'm sure since you're buying from a non-profit a device purposely built for education can probably get the tax reduced...
[20:04] <RITRedbeard> In terms of cables: Monoprice.
[20:05] <RITRedbeard> I look at it this way: I could have a Pandaboard that is 2x or 3x as fast as Raspberry Pi but is $200 + accesories... OR I can get a Raspberry Pi for $35 + all the accessories when you trick it out, might approach Pandaboard/Beagleboard price.
[20:05] <ania> ok sory hdmi about 2-3 gbp but in shop more likle to by 8-10gbp
[20:07] <Thorn_> you have some terrible shops ;)
[20:07] <ania> ebay slighty cheaper
[20:07] <ania> overall it will be like 50 gbp togheter
[20:08] <RITRedbeard> Sorry, I speak in terms of USD... :)
[20:08] <Thorn_> already got: micro usb: check, hdmi: check, sd card: plenty
[20:11] <ahven> ania: while youre at it, don't forget a monitor, keyboard, mouse, network cable, etc :)
[20:12] <ahven> RITRedbeard summed it up pretty nicely and I agree with it
[20:14] <RITRedbeard> I view the pricepoint and lack of accessories as a challenge. You have to realize this project was conceptualized because of how Western civilization (from my personal experience and what I hear) about actual hands-on technology is poor.
[20:15] <UnderSampled> monitor: TV, check. Keyboard: one from every packaged computer I've owned, and I only use one at a time--plenty extra, check. Mouse: Same. cat5 cable: one from every router, computer, modem, ect. check.
[20:15] <RITRedbeard> Not because of lack of funding on the education system's part (least not here in the States) but just the way the curriculum is created. We have monitors, we have keyboards and mice, we even have computers!
[20:15] <UnderSampled> and besides, keyboards and mice are like $2 each
[20:16] <RITRedbeard> The problem is that so much is abstracted to the end-user (in this case, high school students) that it doesn't foster any sort of learning.
[20:16] <UnderSampled> well, and technology has become good enough that you don't have to understand it to use it
[20:17] <UnderSampled> basically, that whole problem could be solved by making people use linux ::P
[20:17] <UnderSampled> which the rPi does
[20:17] <RITRedbeard> Or too reliant/complacent and not enough curiosity.
[20:17] <RITRedbeard> Yup.
[20:18] <UnderSampled> oh, and I'm glad that the logo made it onto the slikscreen
[20:18] <UnderSampled> :D
[20:20] <RITRedbeard> I hope at some point in the future they make little metallic stickers/badges, you know like the intel inside ones? My core thing I want to do with a Model B is put it into a 12" laptop chassis.
[20:20] <RITRedbeard> Er, sorry, 10"
[20:21] * UnderSampled wonders if he could fit one it the 12" he's using right now, and keep the current computer still in it :P
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[20:24] <RITRedbeard> If it has slim DVD/CD-ROM, probably :P
[20:27] <RITRedbeard> My target is a 240: http://goodluckmakingrent.com/images/redbeardlaptops.jpg
[20:28] <UnderSampled> RITRedbeard: no. I baught this one specifically because it doesn't have the optical drive
[20:29] <RITRedbeard> Oh. My T410 has ultrabay slim and I haven't ponied up the money to get an ultrabay battery... so it just sorta sits in there.
[20:30] <RITRedbeard> But if there was nothing in the slot you probably could fit a raspberry pi in there. :)
[20:30] <RITRedbeard> might be a height problem though
[20:31] <UnderSampled> yeah. mine doesn't have any slot :D
[20:33] <RITRedbeard> But yeah, I'm going to jump off the deep end. The only reason to run Windows any more is to play directx games and support wonky hardware (Nvidia Optimus)
[20:34] <Thorn_> nvidia hardware is not wonky
[20:34] <Thorn_> infact if it were nvidia instead of broadcom making the rpi, it would be 100000x better
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[20:34] <Thorn_> all hail nvidia
[20:35] <RITRedbeard> Well, no, Nvidia's Optimus is a herculean effort (supposedly the driver and code is longer than Win NT) that removed a lot of muxers...
[20:35] <RITRedbeard> It's just that GNU/Linux doesn't support it very well or at all at the moment.
[20:36] <RITRedbeard> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQxNg well, catching up :)
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[20:38] <datagutt> Nvidia sucks at bitcoin mining. Thats when i stopped liking nvidia
[20:39] <datagutt> lol
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> Well, the 5xxx and 6xxx series are great, so... :)
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> I didn't know TI had a response to Raspberry Pi.
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> http://hackaday.com/2011/11/01/say-hello-to-our-little-friend-the-beaglebone/
[20:42] <RITRedbeard> But a very feeble attempt at a response.
[20:43] <UnderSampled> RITRedbeard: I would hardly call it a responce
[20:43] <UnderSampled> it targets a completely different group
[20:43] <UnderSampled> unfortunately for them, I think that group will go for the raspberry pi anyway, because it's so much cheeper
[20:44] <traeak> nvidia's low power parts super suck
[20:44] <traeak> brand new tegra3 and it doesn't keep up with apple's parts
[20:44] <traeak> considering nvidia is suppsed to be grahics king their mobile gpus are frankly crap
[20:47] <RITRedbeard> UnderSampled, that is what I just thought a second ago once I saw the specs.
[20:48] <RITRedbeard> Cortex-A8... okay so twice as fast as RPi... buuut if you're going to spend near $100 USD for device, why not just get a Pandaboard?
[20:48] <RITRedbeard> Go big or go home. :)
[20:49] <UnderSampled> RITRedbeard: it has TONs of GPIO
[20:49] <UnderSampled> and it's the same size as the rPi
[20:50] <friggle> and you can buy the SoC through distributors
[20:50] <friggle> I don't think the Beaglebone is necessarily direct competition, but it seems like a good entry
[20:52] <traeak> beaglebone isn't competition out of the box
[20:52] <RITRedbeard> True and it has 1.27mm header spacing... but in terms of size the Bone is 3.4? ? 2.1? whereas RPi is 3.370" ? 2.125"
[20:52] <traeak> it requires addon boards
[20:53] <RITRedbeard> Slightly smaller and currently meets ISO/IEC 7810.
[20:53] <friggle> it's a trade-off. It's more expensive, but has a much nicer CPU, but doesn't have built in video out etc. For my interests I agree with RITRedbeard and I'd go straight to the pandaboard or similar, but other people's requirements would be different
[20:53] <RITRedbeard> Definitely.
[20:54] <RITRedbeard> Plus TI always has good datasheets and documentation... not so sure what we're going to get or what we have with this particular Broadcom chip.
[20:54] <RITRedbeard> But that is apart of the fun, isn't it? :)
[20:56] <UnderSampled> RITRedbeard: the beagleBone is a great step up from arduino
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[20:56] <UnderSampled> the Raspberry Pi is not really a competitor against the arduino at all
[20:56] <friggle> in fairness, it's only very recently the OMAP has had an open source graphics driver
[20:57] <friggle> though with omap and exynos both having at least open source 2D support, KMS, and buffer management I'd hope it encourages others to follow suit
[20:57] <UnderSampled> you're likely to need an arduino to use a Raspberry pi in any sizable robotics project. 8 gpio isn't very much
[21:01] <RITRedbeard> Probably, yes. The beautiful thing is that they're both relatively inexpensive and could use the arduino as IO slave.
[21:01] <RITRedbeard> or any Atmel, really.
[21:03] <traeak> with the fast rate of processor releases who knows what we'll see in the 'pi price range next year, etc
[21:03] <friggle> yeah, I'd love to see more
[21:03] <traeak> and it's wierd to just see intel basically ignoring this market
[21:03] <traeak> if they would suck down their pride and license are
[21:03] <traeak> license arm
[21:04] <traeak> they could probably drive everyone out of the market based on price
[21:04] <RITRedbeard> Well, for the most part. The way I understand it, Intel GMA/HD onboard is licensed/relabeled Broadcom stuff.
[21:05] <RITRedbeard> That's why I was pretty excited about Llano.
[21:06] <traeak> x86 is too crufty
[21:06] <traeak> huge sections of the die are dedicated to essentially recompiling the x86 instructions
[21:07] <UnderSampled> the nice thing about interfacing with an arduino (or maybe even just a serial to parallel chip) is that the rpi has ttl level uart, spi, and i2c
[21:09] <friggle> RITRedbeard: Intel GMA is their own
[21:09] <friggle> other than a couple of models that were PowerVR
[21:10] <RITRedbeard> That's what I was thinking of. Thank you for the correction. :)
[21:10] <friggle> Intel is fantastic with open source. If they had competitive embedded chips I'd be all over them
[21:11] <traeak> they did do arm for a while then dumped it off to marvell i think
[21:12] <friggle> yeah, StrongARM/XScale
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[21:20] <RITRedbeard> Although if I intend to make a Raspberry Pi netbook, I worry if 256MB is enough memory.
[21:20] <RITRedbeard> I think the other night I had like 30 different tabs in my browser open (Win32API doc hunt)
[21:21] <friggle> yeah, it's not going to be great for intensive web browsing
[21:22] <RITRedbeard> Wonder if I could offset that by running it via ssh with X11 forwarding... but I somehow doubt that.
[21:22] <traeak> RITRedbeard: i would say 256MB is pushing it...*however* if the resolution is low enough that may not matter much
[21:23] <friggle> you mean just use the raspi as a thin client?
[21:23] <RITRedbeard> Partially. Yeah.
[21:23] <RITRedbeard> Or could just learn to love the bomb/lynx :D
[21:23] <traeak> i guess 1080p display requires 8MB buffer just for the display
[21:23] <traeak> and then there's all the window caching, etc that kicks in
[21:23] <friggle> well X11 forwarding is a bit sucky in my experience, but NX or similar might be usable
[21:24] <traeak> openoffice is a pig, so that's probably bad news on the rpi
[21:24] <traeak> the other disappointment is really bad storage throughput
[21:24] <friggle> there's abiword/gnumeric though
[21:25] <traeak> gnumeric at least has gotten fat
[21:25] <traeak> let me check *how* fat
[21:26] <RITRedbeard> X11 forwarding does suck. Even if you're on the same network and depending on what the application is/how it is drawn.
[21:26] <traeak> browser is the worst of everything
[21:27] <traeak> RITRedbeard: yes, the drawing applications are at fault for shitty performance
[21:27] <traeak> IMHO qt4 was the death for us because it's network performance is pure shit
[21:27] <traeak> it's hugely chatty with the x server
[21:28] <traeak> switched over to fltk and that's very easy to optimize for remote display traffic
[21:29] <traeak> just ran gnumeric on a really smple spreadsheet....22MB resident idle
[21:29] <RITRedbeard> That's not so bad.
[21:29] <traeak> i'd say its appauling actually
[21:30] <traeak> for the same spreadsheet libreoffice is 91MB
[21:30] <traeak> virtual: gnumeric 170MB libreoffice 594
[21:31] <traeak> i just remember the old appleworks days
[21:31] <RITRedbeard> Wirth's Law in effect. :)
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> But that's the appeal for Raspberry Pi for me, trying to minimalize use of resources and totally eliminate things don't need.
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> I've already done it in the practical aspect of my life; used to hoard stuff. I just do "The Test":
[21:34] <RITRedbeard> Have I touched this in six months? No. Will I touch it in the next three months? No. Is it sentimental or valuble? No. Out to the garbage with you!
[21:35] <RITRedbeard> I guess all the academia and work experience is also rubbing off on me.
[21:35] <RITRedbeard> I worked at IBM this summer, it was a lot of fun but also very... strange in some respects.
[21:40] <RITRedbeard> "Hmmm, I can't seem to mount the filesystem on my windows machine at the moment, do we have Emacs in /usr/bin?"
[21:40] <RITRedbeard> "Emacs? Never heard of it, kid."
[21:41] <RITRedbeard> And now you will have to take vim or vi from my cold dead hands. :)
[21:41] <RITRedbeard> Versus say... Eclipse.
[21:41] <RITRedbeard> Bleh.
[21:42] <UnderSampled> RITRedbeard: are you saying they forced you to use VIM, and you caved and converted?
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[21:42] <RITRedbeard> Hahaha, no, no, no.
[21:43] <UnderSampled> ?
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[21:43] <RITRedbeard> We had a copy of vim but it would die every time you tried to enter in a ed/ex command.
[21:43] <RITRedbeard> It was an olddddddd beta.
[21:44] <UnderSampled> oh
[21:44] <UnderSampled> wow
[21:44] <RITRedbeard> So it was straight up vi for me.
[21:44] <UnderSampled> but still, they forcibly converted you to vi from emacs?
[21:45] <Skummel> emacs <3
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[21:45] <RITRedbeard> School tends to push students towards emacs, my original computer hazing has always been win32 environment, so visual studio/devcpp/eclipse
[21:45] <RITRedbeard> but school really likes Emacs and recommends all the freshman use it; I transferred in from community college
[21:45] <traeak> RITRedbeard: i really *have* to have syntax highlighting
[21:45] <RITRedbeard> I like Emacs a lot.
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[21:46] <RITRedbeard> I know. So do I. I am still in awe that my mentor can manage these chunks of code with just seperate sessions with vi open. No highlighting or anything.
[21:46] <traeak> it used to mean "eight megabytes and constantly swapping"
[21:47] <traeak> then "eighty megabytes and constantly swapping"
[21:47] <traeak> which nowadays is kind of funny
[21:47] <friggle> RITRedbeard: people seriously use vim without syntax highlighting?
[21:47] <UnderSampled> think it will run on an rPi? ;)
[21:47] <traeak> friggle: when yer stuck yer stuck, but *every* unix system has vi of some sort
[21:47] <RITRedbeard> vi. Bill Joy's vi, probably the last release.
[21:48] <friggle> ha
[21:48] <friggle> I'm a vim junkie myself
[21:48] <traeak> i was using elvis for a while, had problems with vim lagging at times
[21:48] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, vi is apart of the Single Unix Specification, isn't it?
[21:48] <UnderSampled> sadly, I've never taken the time to learn either editor
[21:49] <RITRedbeard> It's trial by fire. I've learned to love it.
[21:49] <RITRedbeard> I think the visual mode in vim is the perfect touch as well.
[21:49] <traeak> elvis: 1.3MB ram, 9.3MB virtual
[21:50] <traeak> vim: 4mB ram, 8.2MB virtual (same file)
[21:50] <RITRedbeard> Although if you're really handy with ed/ex you probably don't need it since you can specify what lines you want to copy to whatever buffer.
[21:51] <Skummel> traeak when did we get to use 0.004 B ram?
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[21:52] <UnderSampled> http://xkcd.com/378/\
[21:52] <RITRedbeard> By virtual, talking about swap?
[21:53] <friggle> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[21:53] <RITRedbeard> My concern is how RPi is a) Going to handle swap (or not have a swapfile) and b) Is the memory before or after Videocore IV takes a chunk?
[21:54] <Thorn_> before
[21:55] <RITRedbeard> Ah.
[21:56] <RITRedbeard> traeak, vim can get really fat; there are so many options for it's config
[21:56] <UnderSampled> can you tell vidcore to not take any chuck>
[21:56] <UnderSampled> ?
[21:57] <UnderSampled> for when you don't need a gpu at all (except the boot sequence)
[21:58] <RITRedbeard> I could be wrong but the way it sounds is that it has its own addressable memory.
[21:58] <RITRedbeard> If not, then you can probably go into the boot sequence and give more or less
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[22:05] <RITRedbeard> although both parts of the chip might be able to address the same memory... since it is "three core" (CPU, GPU, DSP)
[22:05] <RITRedbeard> However, I have no idea because I've never really even ventured a look at this type of architecture.
[22:08] <vgrade> mdavey, I had an alarm go off earlier, I guess I've missed the party
[22:09] <mdavey> party?
[22:10] <traeak> RITRedbeard: from a forum posting it seems the GPU sees memory in a linear address space while the ARM11 has page table hardware
[22:10] <vgrade> did you mention drinks tonight?
[22:14] <mdavey> oh, probably. I didn't get any further with the plans - its been hectic at work.
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[22:15] <mdavey> I'll try to organise something in the next couple of weeks, but people are pretty busy in December so dunno what the turn-out will be like.
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[22:15] <mdavey> Might be better to leave it to the new year.
[22:17] <traeak> RITRedbeard: and yes all items share the main memory
[22:17] <vgrade> mdavey, ok, I guess there will be a rush to get things out before xmas
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[22:30] <traeak> IOU's for christmas :-p
[22:31] <UnderSampled> Happy rPi day presents?
[22:34] <traeak> i'm sure the rpi foundation wanted to release on the BBC micro anniversary
[22:34] <traeak> would have been cool anyways
[22:38] <Jeemy> I can?t make any promises here, as it all depends on how they perform in testing, but we anticipate that happening before the end of the year.
[22:38] <Jeemy> Is Liz talking about the auction for the beta boards, or the 10.000 units production?
[22:39] <UnderSampled> Jeemy: I think the beta boards
[22:39] <mdavey> the auction
[22:39] <mdavey> They are looking at the first 10k going on sale in January now :(
[22:40] <Jeemy> oh, so no Pi before the end of the year ? :(
[22:40] <mdavey> possibly not
[22:40] <UnderSampled> I put dibs on my birthday then
[22:40] <UnderSampled> :P
[22:40] <Jeemy> ok, too bad I would have been a perfect self-present for christmas :/
[22:41] <Jeemy> it would*
[22:44] <traeak> people need vacation
[22:44] <traeak> why kill yourself the week before and the weeks between christmas and new years
[22:45] <traeak> and it would be a *very* good idea to come back from vacation and do verification/validation testing then
[22:45] <traeak> when everyone is fresh and rested up
[22:45] <traeak> the worst thing you can do is to try to verify quality of a product while under a huge crunch
[23:21] <mdavey> traeak: well today is the aniversary of the unveiling of the BBC computer. So what you need to ask is when they went on sale ;)
[23:21] <traeak> ahh okay
[23:25] <ukscone> mdavey: they had some hardware problems but i thinkt he original plan was to get them out the door before christmas but i think only a few squeezed out then i think (seem to remember) i know i blew my first one up sometime in march 82
[23:29] <mdavey> apparently by 11th Jan 1982, they only had a few hundred working units
[23:32] <vgrade> as long as we have units for end of march. I've offered to help out at a school programming day for 11 year olds and was hoping to have a couple of Pi's
[23:34] <ukscone> vgrade: i'm sure you will. it's just unfortunate that it's coming up to christmas so even if they did have them ready to ship in the next 10 days the royal mail would sit on them until the new year anyway -- lazy sods -- also we don't want to stress liz and eben out before christmas or liz will take it out on a turkey or three
[23:35] <ukscone> so we should just pretend that they are using some weird cambridgeshire calender that starts the year in march
[23:35] <ukscone> so that 4th quarter is jan to march
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[23:46] <ahven> this means more arduino hacking for me in the mean time :P
[23:49] <ukscone> i have lots of things to do too. mostly banking naps
[23:49] <ukscone> won't have time to slepe when the pi is out so better get a few hndred hours stocked up
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[23:52] <traeak> isn't there some strike in the UK now too ?
[23:54] <ukscone> that was yesterday
[23:55] <Thorn_> yeah
[23:55] <Thorn_> "wahhhh i only earn 40 grand a year lifes so hard"
[23:55] <Thorn_> fuck off *grr*
[23:56] <Thorn_> i dont care if these new pension policies mean you won't be able to afford the insurance on your 9th car when you retire
[23:56] <Thorn_> maybe sell the other 8
[23:56] <friggle> Thorn_: whether you agree with the strikes or not it's hardly fair to mischaracterise the strikers like that
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[23:56] <Thorn_> they caused me a day of inconvenience, i'd say it's perfectly damn fair!
[23:58] <traeak> same problem in the US
[23:58] <ukscone> ok it's time for me to go and do something else i think or i'll end up beating Thorn_ about the head with a clue by four :)
[23:59] <traeak> "we're not happy making 60k base salary, 45k in benefits and then having a 70k/year pension"

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