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IRC Log for 2011-12-02

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[0:00] <ukscone> traeak & Thorn_: 1. it;s not like that and 2. there is a reason why public service pensions are like that -- they were fought for because historically public service workers were paid far less than the private sector
[0:00] <Thorn_> it's exactly like that, i see it every day here
[0:01] <traeak> ukscone: in the US at least that's gone insane. The new "upper class" is now government workers in the US
[0:01] <ukscone> also my wife's job (she is a court clerk) has no overtime available, she pays a large percentage on health insurance and starrting from october (just gone) they have started to raise her premiums to such an extent that in 2016 over 70% of her salery will be health insurance
[0:01] <friggle> you know, I think I preferred #raspberrypi without the politics
[0:01] <traeak> hehe
[0:01] <Thorn_> ^
[0:01] <traeak> sry
[0:02] <Thorn_> it's all that daft ukscones fault
[0:02] <Thorn_> having different opinions
[0:02] <ukscone> traeak: no it's not, you see the exceptions not the 100,000s that get a wage that is miniscle
[0:03] <traeak> ukscone: things in the US are probably different and much more imbalanced
[0:03] <ukscone> friggle: i do too and try to avoid it but i'm sorry the repblicans and conservatives are twisting the truth
[0:03] <ukscone> traeak: i have family on both sides of the pond in similar situations
[0:03] <Thorn_> yeah we're lucky here not to pay health insurance, we spend 80% of our income on income tax instead :P
[0:04] <Thorn_> and the other 20% on VAT
[0:04] <Thorn_> people should be happy they can pay to survive in these times
[0:04] <Thorn_> western civilisation will crumble any time now
[0:05] <Thorn_> so screw your pension tyvm
[0:05] <ukscone> Thorn_: if they earned it they deserve it and they didn't set the rules so don't blame the workers blame the people who agreed to the deal
[0:06] <traeak> ukscone..it's easy to find breakdowns online of teacher pensions, etc...public information is hrd to screw up
[0:06] <traeak> anyways
[0:06] <traeak> this is going nowhere :-p
[0:06] <ukscone> traeak: i know, my wife's pay is on a website too
[0:06] <ukscone> traeak: you think this is bad
[0:06] <ukscone> my brother in law is high up in the republican party
[0:07] <traeak> ukscone: that's not a good thing
[0:07] <traeak> republican party is relatively well corrupt
[0:07] <ukscone> he's currently flying around the country attending all the debates -- at christmas it's always fun as i am a liberal (british liberal of the old school) and he is right wing of ghengis khan
[0:08] <ukscone> my wife is a democrat who wanted to be able to vote for hilary and my father is a militant left wing labour member
[0:08] <ukscone> such fun at holidays
[0:08] <ukscone> we also don't like the same sports so we end up discussing wallpaper
[0:09] <traeak> ukscone: and no family that lived under any communist regimes?
[0:09] <ukscone> traeak: no but an ex-girlfriend did
[0:09] <traeak> ah well, back to work and feverish coding (the day went by too fast)
[0:10] <ukscone> we can't even talk monarchy as i am a monarchist, my father is a rabid anti-royalist and my biological father is a daily mail reader :)
[0:10] <Thorn_> i'd burn the monarchy myself if they walked near enough
[0:11] <ukscone> Thorn_: not likely unles syou dress as a deer on the balmoral estates and get them before they shoot you
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[0:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
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[0:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[0:16] <IT_Sean> whoops
[0:17] <traeak> !w
[0:17] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Dec 1 16:53:00 2011. Temp -7??C. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 85%. Later -3??C - -15??C. Condition: Snow
[0:17] <traeak> so much for snow stoppage 4 hours ago
[0:17] <Laurenceb_> !w
[0:18] <Thorn_> i really want it to snow this year :(
[0:18] <Laurenceb_> its broken
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[2:07] <duckinator> does the Pi have a power button? or does it just boot when it gets power, shut off when you `halt`?
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> I think it boots when it gets power, they haven't mentioned a switch and I imagine it would raise the price anyway.
[2:09] <UnderSampled> ny like two cents
[2:09] <UnderSampled> *by
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> 2 cents plus the time and space on PCB
[2:09] <UnderSampled> of course, it wouold add to the pick and place work
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> plus the time for reflow and pick-n-place machine
[2:10] <UnderSampled> well, the reflow would be at the same time as the other components
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> although I wonder then if there is power on the USB bus that it will remain on? that's what bifferboard does
[2:11] <UnderSampled> it may
[2:11] <duckinator> UnderSampled: yea, that's what i'm thinking. probably would be more difficult to bother adding it
[2:11] <UnderSampled> do usb devices normally power a host?
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> not usually
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> I hope they don't
[2:12] <duckinator> yea, i feel like it would end badly if a normal USB device powered a host :D
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> it was annoying with the bifferboard and having a powered hub (since the host only could draw & deliver 1W)
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> like wait, I unplugged you? damn.
[2:13] <IT_Sean> a simple toggle switch on the power supply would be fairly trivial to add
[2:14] <UnderSampled> IT_Sean: thats true
[2:15] <IT_Sean> I plan to add a power toggle switch to whatever sort of case i end up making
[2:15] <UnderSampled> any idea where I keep my usb A to B cables?
[2:16] <duckinator> IT_Sean: i'm planning to make a little laptop, so i'm going to try to make a proper toggle that when you turn it off it tells the system to shutdown and waits to do so before powering off :)
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> duckinator, I'm doing the same.
[2:16] <IT_Sean> I might look into that, but, i've mostly been just planning a simple toggle inline with the power lead
[2:17] <UnderSampled> it may be possible to tell the processor to sleep over jtag
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> more worried about having inline charger for 9cell lipo that does not explode
[2:17] <IT_Sean> you are going w/ battery power?
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> yep
[2:18] <duckinator> i am, too, just because i'm going for a laptop design... but i'm not sure what kind of battery i'm going to use ^^
[2:19] <RITRedbeard> depending on what devices you hook up... 4000mAh is a good starting point
[2:19] <UnderSampled> duckinator: sellphone battery?
[2:19] <UnderSampled> *cell
[2:19] <UnderSampled> you can get around 1700mAh on one of those
[2:20] <UnderSampled> I presume the rPi is fairly efficeint, as it's basically a featureless smartphone
[2:20] <duckinator> UnderSampled: possibly. will have to poke around for a good deal :)
[2:20] <UnderSampled> I have a 1100mAh unused from an old feature phone
[2:20] <UnderSampled> it's very small
[2:21] <UnderSampled> (physically_
[2:21] <RITRedbeard> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__86__85__LiPo_LiFe_NiMH_Battery-Li_2DPoly_28All_brands_29.html
[2:21] <UnderSampled> and remember, smartphones are designed for a days worth of crarge
[2:21] <UnderSampled> *charge
[2:21] <UnderSampled> laptops only need like 2 hours (at least thats what they did only a year ago)
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> actually since I'm using Thinkpad 240 I'll probably use whatever fits inside the battery pack that is going to be disassembled and re-assembled.
[2:24] <duckinator> UnderSampled: my laptop can get 10 :)
[2:25] <UnderSampled> duckinator: good laptops do
[2:25] <UnderSampled> but two is a standard minimum for low end new laptops
[2:25] <duckinator> UnderSampled: yea. the company i work at bought the laptop for me. $1,300 laptop and it was on sale for $800-something :)
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> and apparently TP 240 battery is typically 11.1v 1700mAh
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[2:48] <RITRedbeard> or maybe I'll just replace the cells
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> errr
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> lithium ion
[3:00] <UnderSampled> 11.1v is probably four sells, I think
[3:00] <UnderSampled> Isn't that right?
[3:01] <UnderSampled> most phones just use one cell
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> that makes a lot more sense, can't believe laptops used LiPo
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> depends on how they're connected
[3:11] <RITRedbeard> you know serial-parallel
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[7:05] <maahes> I have two questions I'm having a bit of trouble finding how much ram is in the GPU, and what's the flops/mips rating of the chip?
[7:07] <RITRedbeard> I think the RAM is shared, probably can change it at boot time
[7:07] <RITRedbeard> In terms of FLOPS/mips
[7:09] <RITRedbeard> the eWiki says 24 GFLOPS general purpose but that really depends... Eben stated the BogoMIPS once in a post, but it's only good for rule of thumb
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[7:33] <ctyler> Yes, the RAM is shared, typical configuration is 192M CPU/64M GPU for model B. For A it will probably be 124/4 but 64/64 is possible.
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[8:23] <RITRedbeard> ctyler, maahes, I played around a bit today; I'm not so surprised that Raspberry runs Q3A well.
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> However, I don't know if is the extra textures or mapsizes but GoldSrc/Half-Life takes up about 2x memory.
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[8:47] <RITRedbeard> Good evening.
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[12:28] <friggle> http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2011-December/008900.html :/
[12:30] <RITRedbeard> lame
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[13:51] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[13:54] <IT_Sean> good morning everyone.
[13:54] <IT_Sean> it is faaar too early to be awake, let alone at work.
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[16:42] <duckinator> UnderSampled2: seems the JTAG is for the GPU, unless there's two of them: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/389#comment-5422
[16:42] <duckinator> UnderSampled2: so your idea to use JTAG for power management seems to not be possible -- at least not as easily :(
[16:43] <duckinator> also, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/389 has pictures of the PCBs
[16:46] <UnderSampled2> so why is the jtag included
[16:46] <Thorn_> omg
[16:46] <Thorn_> they selling the beta board
[16:46] <Thorn_> I WILL HAVE ONE
[16:47] * Thorn_ growls and marks territory
[16:47] <UnderSampled2> Thorn_: what! where?!
[16:48] <Thorn_> oh what it says on the news posts
[16:48] <UnderSampled2> oh
[16:48] <Thorn_> i guess this is yesterdays news now
[16:48] <UnderSampled2> you don't mean they've started
[16:48] <UnderSampled2> yeah
[16:48] <Thorn_> but for some reason it only just appeared for me an hour ago
[16:48] <Thorn_> i blame caching
[16:49] <UnderSampled2> so, what is the Jtag for?
[16:49] <Thorn_> broadcom debugging i guess
[16:49] <UnderSampled2> why would they include it with through holes?
[16:50] <Thorn_> seems like a waste of space on the shipping boards
[16:50] <friggle> I don't get that either
[16:52] <Thorn_> considering they had 6000 orders for stickers
[16:53] <Thorn_> getting hands on one of the first 100 pi's will be tuff
[16:53] <Thorn_> tough even
[16:54] <UnderSampled2> it will be an auction
[16:54] <UnderSampled2> so you can get one if you're willing to pay
[16:58] <Thorn_> i know
[16:58] <Thorn_> but there's a lot of fat pockets in the rpi community
[16:58] <Thorn_> i'd be surprised to see one sell for < ??100
[17:00] * UnderSampled2 wonders if two $1 bluetooth usb dongles could provide wireless point to point connections between Raspberry Pi's
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[17:15] <IT_Sean> UnderSampled2: could do. with bluetooth networking.
[17:21] <Thorn_> IT_Sean: ya think
[17:26] <traeak> i love not running windows
[17:26] <traeak> somebody here got trojaned badly by something
[17:26] <traeak> and i guess they expected me to fix it for them
[17:26] <traeak> another big positive to not running windows...plausable deniability
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: yeah, i think
[17:30] <friggle> "hey, you want to go ask traeak about that. He knows everything about computers and stuff, he doesn't even run windows"
[17:33] <traeak> :-p
[17:33] <traeak> the assumption is that computer == windows
[17:38] <IT_Sean> <-- not running windows on any of his personal machines
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[17:47] <_spt_> hello Pi folks,
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[17:49] <ahven> ey
[17:50] <IT_Sean> 'lo
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[17:50] <_spt_> any news on Pi ETA?
[17:51] <IT_Sean> yup
[17:51] <friggle> _spt_: don't expect to get one before christmas
[17:51] <IT_Sean> sometime between now and the universe undergoing heat death
[17:52] <_spt_> friggle : thats fine by me.
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[17:53] <_spt_> IT_Sean : thats such a Brian Cox type of comment, lol
[17:53] <IT_Sean> and that's only if there are no further delays
[17:55] <ukscone> hi _spt_ glad you found us
[17:55] <_spt_> yes, this is much better
[17:56] <ukscone> ugh brain cox. cox by name, cox by nature
[17:56] <ukscone> brian cox even
[17:56] <ukscone> see i can't even stand to spell his name right
[17:57] <_spt_> sorry my eyes are not that great,
[17:58] <_spt_> has any PI testers run any FORTH on PI?
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[18:02] <ukscone> _spt_: i think only 2 ppl who hang in here have access to an alpha board but i've built a few forth compiler/interpreters for armv6 and messed with them in qemu and apart from some graphics and sound stuff we can't test there were no problems building them or runnign them so i don't think you'll have any problems
[18:04] <friggle> _spt_: I have an alpha board. I haven't run forth, but there are a few forth implementations in the Debian repos which list availability for armel so I'm sure they work fine
[18:09] <_spt_> great thanks now I cannot wait to get one!, its like 1977 all over waiting for my MK14 and I think the UK economy was the same then!
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[19:23] <traeak> IT_Sean: these windows trojans look absolutely brutal. MS doesn't give you much control over your own system, it seems the trojans are just devistating since they don't have to disable much to brick your install.
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[19:25] <traeak> !w
[19:25] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Dec 2 12:53:00 2011. Temp 6??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 41%. Later 3??C - -10??C. Condition: Partly Sunny
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[19:26] <traeak> hehe, not a single cloud in the sky
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[19:39] <datagutt> I surely hope rpi will be ready soon
[19:39] <datagutt> :p
[19:39] <datagutt> they got PCBs atleast
[19:44] <traeak> have to assemble, then test
[19:44] <traeak> so now have to get robot or whatever to put these together
[19:44] <traeak> then start testing
[19:44] <traeak> like liz mentioned, next year now
[19:47] <Skummel> to bad, was looking forward to play around with one with all the dead time in the holiday.
[19:48] * _spt_ wishes he had dead time
[19:48] <traeak> get extra sleep
[19:48] <traeak> rest up for the 'pi then :-p
[19:49] <UnderSampled> Pi day release?
[19:50] <UnderSampled> (march 14)
[19:50] <traeak> ugh
[19:51] <UnderSampled> we can hope not
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[19:51] <UnderSampled> but it would be somewhat fitting
[19:52] <UnderSampled> of course, if it had to be, the only bright side of Pi not being defined as the Circumference over the radius, is that it wouldn't be on june 28 ;)
[19:52] <ukscone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxM4pzteKtQ goto 6:15 in
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[19:53] <UnderSampled> ukscone: I think you can just put a "&t=6:15" at the end of the url
[19:53] <UnderSampled> no, it's not that
[19:54] <UnderSampled> something though
[19:54] <traeak> or tau
[19:57] <UnderSampled> traeak: yeah, I know of tau
[19:58] <UnderSampled> but I doubt the rasberry Pi would have been named rasberry tau
[19:58] <UnderSampled> just doesn't have the pun
[19:58] <UnderSampled> that's why I said if pi was defined as what tau is
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[20:13] <neverwas> Hello
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[21:03] <UnderSampled> hello jojo
[21:04] <jojo> lo
[21:04] <UnderSampled> wazzup?
[21:05] <jojo> much bigger channel than i expected...
[21:06] <UnderSampled> aye
[21:06] <UnderSampled> it's rather quite though
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[21:07] <UnderSampled> I think theres only about seven or eight people who actaully say much here
[21:08] <UnderSampled> jojo: we still have some fun though :D
[21:14] <_spt_> you want to be in #forth they are all monks
[21:15] <_spt_> that have taken a vow of silence
[21:15] <UnderSampled> lol
[21:15] <UnderSampled> well, there hasn't been much news related to forth for a very long time, has there
[21:16] <_spt_> well, there is a new forth machine that very active
[21:16] <UnderSampled> _spt_: what's it called?
[21:16] <_spt_> fignation I have one sitting here
[21:17] <_spt_> http://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
[21:17] <_spt_> see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13201254
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[21:19] <_spt_> also the Jupiter Ace archive is very active
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[22:17] <ukscone> anyone know what the shortest commercial available hdmi cable is? i'm looking to see if i can get one between 4 to 6 inches that is very flexible
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[22:18] <Skummel> never seen one that is that short..
[22:19] <ukscone> what i'm thinking of trying to do when i get hold of a raspberry pi is casing it but pulling all the connectors out to a single edge connector ala nintendo cart
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[22:19] <ukscone> so i need to get all the conenctors and gpio over to one side
[22:20] <ukscone> my eventual plan is to make a keyboard and screen as a dock where i can just slot in a cased raspberry pi
[22:20] <ukscone> so i'll need the shortest (3 to 6 inches) flexible cables that i can get for the main connectors and then ribbon cable for the gpio
[22:21] <UnderSampled> ukscone: I would probably include the USB and ethernet in the ribbon cable
[22:22] <UnderSampled> they should be easy enough to de-solder, and have pretty big through-holes
[22:22] <ukscone> UnderSampledyes for usb but i want to work with model a's
[22:22] <ukscone> so not going to have to worry about ethernet although probably need to use some pins in the dock side incase it is there
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[22:24] <UnderSampled> ukscone: monoprice has a 8inch male to femail hdmi cable
[22:24] <UnderSampled> above that they have a 1.5ft male to male
[22:24] <traeak> ukscone: splice?
[22:25] <traeak> i'm sure that'll do great for signal integrety
[22:25] <ukscone> traeak: yes i'll probably end up having to do that although i'd prefer not to unless i have to
[22:27] <ukscone> until i have a board i can't do much other than getting prepared and a few non-working prototypes
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[22:45] <acfrazier> "Raspberry Pis from this very first, small batch, will be going on sale when they?ve been tested, most likely via an auction so that we can raise some money from those collectors who are very keen to get their hands on devices with a very low serial number."
[22:45] <acfrazier> well if that isn't the biggest fuck you I don't know what is
[22:46] <acfrazier> basically this tells me people with $$$$$$$$$$$$$ will be the first to get one
[22:47] <acfrazier> I'm probably not the only not-loaded person to be pissed
[22:48] <friggle> acfrazier: I don't really understand your anger. The point is to raise some more money
[22:48] <acfrazier> I can get that
[22:48] <acfrazier> but if I were to want one by the end of the year, I'm looking at $$$$$$
[22:49] <friggle> I guess they could not auction them you still wouldn't get one by the end of the year and the foundation wouldn't raise extra money from people willing to give it
[22:49] <traeak> acfrazier: pay to play, that's the way most of the world works :-p
[22:49] <acfrazier> I know
[22:49] <acfrazier> and it's rather sickening
[22:49] <traeak> i'm joking actually
[22:50] <traeak> they can do what they like and for the first 100 i don't care
[22:50] <traeak> they'll probably blow smoke
[22:50] <acfrazier> I'm not a hardcore "everything should be free" person
[22:50] <acfrazier> but it just rubs me wrong
[22:50] <acfrazier> because all the people with fat wallets and want the lowest serial number will bid exorbitant amounts of cash
[22:50] <traeak> they are still non profit
[22:51] <UnderSampled> acfrazier: The 100 boards they printed were never intended to be sold to the masses
[22:51] <UnderSampled> the fact that they are going to auction them off shows that they want to give to the community as much as possible
[22:52] <acfrazier> um.
[22:52] <acfrazier> I see nowhere in this article saying they weren't originally intended for sale
[22:52] <UnderSampled> they aren't part of the 10k
[22:52] <UnderSampled> they are _Beta_ boards
[22:52] <UnderSampled> made for testing
[22:53] <acfrazier> they test every board they ship. this is the final design, so it's hardly a 'beta'
[22:53] <friggle> if there are problems there will be a respin
[22:53] <acfrazier> they can call it whatever they want
[22:53] <UnderSampled> it is beta, because they made these to test the design before manufacturing 10 thousand dead boards
[22:53] <friggle> the whole point of making 100 to start with (which is rather expensive) is to test for problems, before committing to 10k and then going bankrupt if they find an unanticipated issue
[22:54] <UnderSampled> exactly
[22:54] <acfrazier> heh
[22:54] <acfrazier> the irony of that is most larger companies don't do that
[22:54] <acfrazier> but I guess they can afford to
[22:54] <friggle> precisely
[22:55] <UnderSampled> that's why ps3 lost the console war, and xbox360 won
[22:55] <acfrazier> so it would indeed be a shame for them to crank out ten thousand boards and have them be dead
[22:55] <acfrazier> yeah, because M$ pushed out an unfinished product
[22:55] <acfrazier> but it got into people's hands quicker
[22:55] <UnderSampled> no, ps3 did
[22:55] <friggle> acfrazier: more than a shame, it would kill the project
[22:55] <acfrazier> friggle, I wouldn't be so sure
[22:55] <acfrazier> someone might be willing to throw money at it
[22:56] <acfrazier> if I had millions and millions of dollars, I would
[22:56] <friggle> you'd be less likely to if they'd just screwed up 10k boards
[22:56] <friggle> and at the moment, it's the trustees putting in money
[22:57] <traeak> UnderSampled: i wouldn't say the ps3 lost, they're almost even with MS
[22:57] <friggle> and apparently do particularly well in Europe
[22:57] <traeak> even kicked ass in japan
[22:57] <UnderSampled> traeak: I'm dropping that argument, because it's hardly related
[22:57] <UnderSampled> and It's hard for me to tell the whole story
[22:58] <traeak> UnderSampled: hehe i know...the original use was bad anyways :-p
[22:58] <friggle> UnderSampled: but this is the internet? we're supposed to argue until everyone's too annoyed to continue
[22:58] <UnderSampled> yep.
[22:58] <traeak> ahh yes, foray into c++x11
[22:59] <traeak> about 3/4 million lines of code and only 2 classes could use move copy/assignment
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> why was ps3 unfinished?
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> xbox 360 has really poor soldering
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[23:02] <traeak> a buncvh of the xbox360 "sales" were due to rrod's
[23:02] <friggle> had. It only took a few revisions to fix :)
[23:03] <traeak> rrod replacement purchases i mean
[23:03] <traeak> i think the xbox360's success might be in that more games per console were sold
[23:03] <traeak> i think ?
[23:03] <friggle> yes, attach rate certainly smashes the wii
[23:03] <UnderSampled> the ps3 was unfinished because they kept adding features that weren't easily manufacturable at the time
[23:04] <UnderSampled> like blueray
[23:04] <UnderSampled> that caused them to push their release date a whole year forward, and they still had issues
[23:04] <friggle> I'm looking forward to seeing what the next gen of consoles will include. This generation seems to have been around for ever
[23:04] <UnderSampled> yeah, it's definately showing it's age
[23:04] <traeak> ohoh you mean the lack of up front vision with the ps3
[23:04] <traeak> the nvidia GPU was also an afterthought..they originallyw anted to do it all with CELL
[23:06] <friggle> raspberry pi = open source games console
[23:06] <traeak> friggle: likely that's its biggest potential
[23:07] <traeak> other than embedded apps
[23:07] <traeak> anyone approached the humble bumble guys about supporting rpi ?
[23:07] <UnderSampled> traeak: most of the humble bundle games aren't very good with a joypad
[23:07] <friggle> it's a bit early for that I think. We need boards
[23:07] <friggle> I'd personally love to see humblebundle with ARM Linux builds
[23:07] <UnderSampled> though Aquaria and Dungeons of Dredmor could do well
[23:08] <jojo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=1046
[23:08] <jojo> ^ "I'd have no issues paying $500 to get started right away."
[23:08] <friggle> latest humblebundle has source code. I might see if Uplink is a pain to compile
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