#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-12-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <piofcube> Hi peeps :-)
[0:01] <RITRedbeard> Hello.
[0:02] <piofcube> RIT... LOL I just replied to one of your forum posts and mentioned IRC... I turn around and there you are ;-)
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[0:03] <RITRedbeard> Here I am!
[0:04] <Thorn_> i'm pretty sure the lurker:chatter ratio in this channel is far higher than the global average
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> In favor of lurkers or chatters?
[0:04] <Thorn_> there's far more lurkers
[0:05] <piofcube> Yeah, we're all busy playing with our new Raspberry Pis
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> I've seen worse.
[0:05] <UnderSampled> lol
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[0:05] <RITRedbeard> It doesn't help with anti-idle and such
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> I was looking at the RFC last night, curious to know how any given IRC client knows when user is "idle".
[0:08] <piofcube> I never had a problem with IRSSI and idling... Come to think of it, I'm not sure if that client has idle detection/prevention.
[0:09] <RITRedbeard> I actually still don't know.
[0:09] <RITRedbeard> I know how to query an individual
[0:13] <RITRedbeard> The reason I ask wondering if anyone is thinking about porting/developing games as Raspberry Pi as base platform.
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[1:17] <piritos> hi
[1:19] <mdavey> hello
[1:25] <piritos> does this thing able to play the killa sample?
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[1:31] <zabomber> ?
[1:31] <zabomber> killa sample?
[1:31] <piritos> http://prohardver.hu/dl/cnt/2009-09/50715/video/x264_killa_sample.mkv
[1:31] <ukscone> hi mdavey
[1:32] <piritos> ~33mbps, AVC High@L5.1
[1:32] <mdavey> hello ukscone
[1:32] <zabomber> yes
[1:32] <zabomber> it plays
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[1:32] <ukscone> mdavey: so what did you do today? lots of christmas shopping?
[1:33] <piritos> did u just test it or how do u know that?
[1:33] <mdavey> had friends round and also did some homework
[1:33] <zabomber> i have a raspbi vm
[1:33] <zabomber> same spec
[1:33] <zabomber> similar should i say
[1:33] <piritos> u have the same chipset?
[1:34] <piritos> i cant find anything useful via google about BCM2835
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[1:38] <mdavey> piritos: well the most useful thing to know is that the bit you get to play with is the arm11: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[1:40] <piritos> it is the cpu, isnt it?
[1:44] <mdavey> yes
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[1:58] <piritos> bb
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[2:45] <Dagger3> erm, sanity check: a VM isn't really going to provide a decent comparison to hardware decoding on the 2835 GPU, especially if you end up emulating the decoding on the CPU instead
[2:45] <Thorn_> A pointer got into a fight
[2:45] <Thorn_> He had some issues to address
[2:45] <Thorn_> :(
[2:46] <Dagger3> the About Us page suggests it does "1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode", but doesn't mention a level... if 30FPS 1080p is actually the maximum though, then it can't be higher than L4.1
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[6:47] <RITRedbeard> Hmmmm...
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[8:51] <arthurdent> hey cool
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> hey cool?
[8:51] <arthurdent> this channel
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> coolio coolio
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> Hello, hitchhiker.
[8:51] <arthurdent> are there any benchmarks for the SoC?
[8:53] <RITRedbeard> Yeah...
[8:54] <RITRedbeard> I think on eLinux
[8:54] <RITRedbeard> Or is it?
[8:55] <RITRedbeard> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#Compiler
[8:55] <RITRedbeard> there we are
[8:56] <RITRedbeard> for what it is worth: around 500 BOGOMIPS [8], 5400 LINPACK KFLOPS with software floating point and 22000 KFLOPS with softfp hardware floating point
[8:57] <arthurdent> hmm, i wonder how that stacks up to other hardware
[8:58] <RITRedbeard> "The GPU is capable of 1Gpixel/s, 1.5Gtexel/s or 24 GFLOPs of general purpose compute and features a bunch of texture filtering and DMA infrastructure - the Raspberry Pi team are looking at how they can make this available to application programmers."
[9:01] <RITRedbeard> Although that is theoretical performance and out of context doesn't really say much.
[9:02] <arthurdent> true
[9:03] <arthurdent> i'm wondering how it would stack up to something like the iphone, (although it has an 800MHz dual-core arm, so it's probably no contest)
[9:03] <RITRedbeard> If I had to spitball I'd say it is probably somewhere in the realm on Radeon 9700 performance? GPU wise.
[9:03] <arthurdent> not that it matters since you can't do anything useful with the iphone
[9:03] <arthurdent> haha that's not terrible for a $35 unit
[9:05] <RITRedbeard> But if Broadcom is going to be a big baby and not release API/features and leave us locked out... sad times
[9:05] <RITRedbeard> I don't think so, though.
[9:05] <arthurdent> boy i hope not
[9:05] <arthurdent> i've had a pretty tough time with broadcom chipsets on linux
[9:07] <RITRedbeard> for networking and such or?
[9:07] <arthurdent> yeah you know it
[9:07] <arthurdent> the stupid wireless cards that come in dell laptops if you don't choose the intel wireless option
[9:08] <RITRedbeard> Isn't that a fun game? Same problem but stupid Lenovo nameless (too lazy to look up VENDOR_ID) versus Intel chipset.
[9:09] <arthurdent> yea
[9:10] <RITRedbeard> Oh neat, there already is some sort of mobile/embedded bench db
[9:10] <RITRedbeard> http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp
[9:10] <arthurdent> unfortunately i bought one and acquired another dell laptop both with the broadcom chipsets
[9:10] <arthurdent> the first is almost 4 years old now, the other is a netbook
[9:11] <arthurdent> the chipset has rendered it completely useless because i don't have the time to fix it and for some reason it is throttled to an excruciatingly low speed...
[9:11] <arthurdent> ssh is laggy as hell and that's about all I use it for
[9:13] <arthurdent> (because i can't find a working driver for it)
[9:13] <RITRedbeard> :(
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[9:14] <RITRedbeard> I think iPhone has FPU, though.
[9:15] <RITRedbeard> Whereas I don't believe RPi has.
[9:15] <arthurdent> i wonder if it'll be able to run an mpd server mostly
[9:15] <arthurdent> that's kind of what i want to do with it when i first get it
[9:16] <RITRedbeard> but then again, it might be to benefit depending on what the task is since dividing is computationally expensive
[9:17] <arthurdent> how would that benifit from not having an fpu?
[9:17] <RITRedbeard> maybe can do FP ops as general compute on VideoCore
[9:17] <arthurdent> oh, seems probable
[9:17] <RITRedbeard> Well, when you design the circuit... division in ALU costs a lot of die space and power
[9:17] <Stskeeps> rpi has a fpu, VFP
[9:19] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[9:21] <RITRedbeard> then why did they bench with softfp?
[9:22] <Stskeeps> softfp means the softfp ABI, where when calling a function, floating point values are passed in integer registers for legacy reasons
[9:22] <Stskeeps> x86 does similar
[9:22] <Stskeeps> it doesn't mean don't use VFP at all :)
[9:24] <RITRedbeard> http://hackaday.com/2011/12/01/binary-division-when-your-processor-lacks-hardware-division/
[9:24] <RITRedbeard> Soooo, Hackaday is still poor quality and someone doesn't know that it has VFP
[9:25] <Stskeeps> VFP != hardware division :P
[9:25] <Stskeeps> integer division ARM architecure doesn't traditionally have
[9:26] <Stskeeps> except for armv7-m which has sdiv/udiv
[9:28] <RITRedbeard> so make peace, not war
[9:28] <RITRedbeard> and also divide IEEE FPs, not integers?
[9:30] <RITRedbeard> I see.
[9:32] <jojo> interesting that that is written in C, a language that has the / operator
[9:34] <jojo> division written in C could hardly be better than whatever the compiler would have generated, in the general case
[9:34] <Stskeeps> except that normally gcc has a function for it instead
[9:35] <Stskeeps> ___divsi3
[9:35] <Stskeeps> so making your own function for it is a bit useless
[9:36] <Stskeeps> ie, / will automatically make a call to that libgcc function
[9:36] <Stskeeps> or inline it
[9:39] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[9:41] <RITRedbeard> Isn't Raspberry Pi the first of several products to have VideoCore IV in it?
[9:48] <RITRedbeard> Anyway, if you're curious in canned benchmarks regarding GPU/speculative, the Nokia 701 uses the older BCM2763 which has VideoCore III according to Broadcom's site.
[9:51] <RITRedbeard> Wikipedia says CPU @ 1GHz with total of 512MB RAM, 128MB of which goes to the VideoCore III @ 250MHz.
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp (GL 1.1 since I don't think Symbian/VC III can do GLBench 2.1)
[9:57] <RITRedbeard> In graphics, it trades blows with iPad 2, but iPad beats the snot out of the Nokia 701 in FP and fillrate leaves a bit to be desired.
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> The Nokia 701 also trades blows with Lenovo IdeaPad Tablet K1 (Tegra 2/Cortex A9 @ 1 GHz)
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[10:12] <RITRedbeard> not too shabby
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[10:14] <RITRedbeard> hmm
[10:21] <RITRedbeard> Either case, getting helluva deal for $35 USD
[10:25] <RITRedbeard> Not so sure that site is reputible because the iPad 2 benches for GL 1.1 are terrible but super-incredible for GL2.1
[10:32] <RITRedbeard> Ah, well, as long as the API for the GPU and DSP are exposed as possible make due with what resources are available.
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[16:29] <ukscone> morning all
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[18:04] <ukscone> hi mdavey
[18:04] <mdavey> hi ukscone
[18:04] <mdavey> quite like this idea: http://primerlabs.com/codehero
[18:05] <ukscone> mdavey: decided yesterday to have a christmas quiz on my blog -- you can enter if you want :) http://russelldavis.org/2011/12/04/christmas-quiz/
[18:05] <ukscone> mdavey: yes that does look quite good.
[18:07] <mdavey> interesting quiz
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[18:10] <ukscone> mdavey: made some very easy, some very hard and some if you don't know you'll have to guess althoug if people have been listening they'll know the ones about me :)
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[19:09] <LiENUS> ...
[19:10] <LiENUS> i think i found the best use for a raspberry pi
[19:10] <Thorn_> unlikely
[19:10] <Thorn_> what is it
[19:10] <LiENUS> http://futurlec.com/Camera.shtml CS - 700 Button Color CMOS Camera + http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10810&cs_id=1081003&p_id=5616&seq=1&format=2 + http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=3g+usb+modem&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=6161874660478975960&sa=X&ei=obfbTsOHF-uHsALs8eyIDg&ved=0CJ4BEPMCMAE
[19:11] <LiENUS> + whatever microphone you want
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[19:17] <LiENUS> i wonder if my concealed carry shirt has buttons that would match
[19:18] <UnaClocker> I think we should start a betting pool to guess how much the highest bid for one of the first 100 Raspberry Pi's will be.. :)
[19:23] <Thorn_> ??195
[19:23] <ukscone> ??314.15
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[19:59] <LiENUS> 2.50
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[21:26] <ukscone> w00t just closed my first thread :)
[21:27] <Skummel> congrats
[21:27] <ukscone> finally decided that is was pissed off enough at ppl not looking to see if things had been asked before :D
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[21:46] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[21:47] <IT_Sean> I it out yet?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> :p
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[21:58] <ukscone> IT_Sean: depends on your definition of is, it and out
[21:58] <ukscone> and yet could be up for debate too
[21:59] <IT_Sean> I'll take that as a no then
[21:59] <ukscone> IT_Sean: i would do if i were you
[22:00] <IT_Sean> :(
[22:00] <ukscone> IT_Sean: in the mean time see if you can answer these questions http://russelldavis.org/2011/12/04/christmas-quiz/ -- there are prizes
[22:01] <IT_Sean> Meh
[22:01] <ukscone> Q.10 I hope is impossible :)
[22:02] <ukscone> or at least not googleable
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[23:53] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets

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