#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-12-06

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[0:18] <jrshaul> Does anyone here have any information on using the GPIO pins?
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> yes
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> try not to /part so quickly
[0:24] <RITRedbeard> you have to set a bit of some register
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[0:24] <RITRedbeard> then map gpio
[0:24] <RITRedbeard> whiiiiich
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> or actually the interrupt
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> NVIC 0xE000E100-0xE000ECFF External interrupt controller
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> So you'd probably want to do something like
[0:27] <RITRedbeard> #define GPIO_BASE 0xE000E100
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> then malloc
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> file handle
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> etc
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> depends on what VIC is used
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[0:31] <RITRedbeard> I just got a hold of the reference manual (not the technical one that is meant for SoC designers)
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[0:39] <ukscone> jrshaul: this is for pxa270 but same principles for the raspi (probably) http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/battery.c
[0:40] <jrshaul> ukscone: I'm trying to come up with a RaspberryPi application for a business-club contest.
[0:40] <jrshaul> ....just assume I'm a dumbass and this will all go much more smoothly. :P
[0:40] <ukscone> heh that'll make two of us
[0:40] <jrshaul> Anywho - how hard would it be to use a GPIO pin to output S/PDIF audio?
[0:44] <ukscone> if i knew what the hell S/PDIF audio was i might have an idea but most thigns are pretty easy
[0:45] <jrshaul> A device that can run XBMC and output AES/EBU (a minor variant on S/PDIF), regular S/PDIF, and optical S/PDIF would actually be worth quite a bit of money, and "bit-banging" would be much cheaper than dedicated hardware.
[0:45] <ukscone> at worst you'd shove an audio controller on the i2c lines and talk to that
[0:45] <jrshaul> It's actually cheaper to have a second Raspberry Pi.
[0:45] <jrshaul> Nobody even makes ICs for half this crap anymore.
[0:45] <jrshaul> It's a nightmare.
[0:45] <ukscone> i have no idea about audio other than it comes out fo my speakers
[0:45] <ukscone> but bitbanging gpio is almost the easyest thing you can do
[0:45] <jrshaul> Is it?
[0:45] <ukscone> a device i have that is arm (pxa270) has a wolfson ac97 on it's i2c and gpio which is how it gets sound
[0:46] <jrshaul> I think S/PDIF is several hundred kbps for basic 44.1khz, and up to ~1mbps for "Pro" S/PDIF (AES/EBU.)
[0:46] <ukscone> jrshaul: as long as you have the register base and a few finctions (and a document or two) then mmaping thee gpio and bitbanging them is about 10 lines of code
[0:46] <ukscone> s/finctions/functions
[0:47] <jrshaul> How much processing power does this eat, exactly?
[0:47] <ukscone> that c source i linked is the basis for about 100 apps i've written that mes swith gpio and do pwm and stuff oike that
[0:48] <ukscone> on the pxa device (312mhz) i was had several progs running at the same time doing pwm and some polling to watch gpio and it was taking 5% of cpu
[0:49] <ukscone> as i said i know nothing about audio but manipulating gpio is pretty easy and reasonably lightweight
[0:51] <jrshaul> Huh.
[0:52] <jrshaul> ukscone: XBMC + bit-banging would, hypothetically, let a RPI replace a $1,000 audio toy.
[0:54] <ukscone> and you could buy you'd have change for another 98 raspi's :)
[0:54] <ukscone> s/could buy/
[0:55] <jrshaul> Oh, wait. Someone found a $2 TI IC that does it even better. :D
[0:56] <jrshaul> R&D is very expensive for audio products - just making the stupid thing actually work is a lot of effort, and software design is spendy when the number of units sold is very small.
[0:57] <jrshaul> However, use RPI and XBMC, and what you have left is a sophmore-level EE project built with parts from Digikey.
[0:58] <ukscone> be interesting project too
[0:58] <jrshaul> Mhmm.
[0:59] <jrshaul> I want to show up to CES with something that'll wipe the smug smile off those asshats who advertise in Stereophile.
[1:00] <jrshaul> It's not likely to happen, but it's hard to convey the level of loathing I have for the BS present in the audiophile industry.
[1:02] <jrshaul> ....eh, I'll just leave my elaborate revenge fantasies out of it.
[1:02] <jrshaul> ukscone: What are you working on with respect to the RPI?
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[1:04] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[1:05] <ukscone> jrshaul: i'll be using it to learn some python and riscos, port some emulators and writee a few old school BASIC interpreters and then whatever else i can think of
[1:06] <jrshaul> Fun.
[1:08] <jrshaul> I still can't figure out how this thing is cheaper than an Arduino.
[1:08] <jrshaul> Come to think of it, I could resell RPIs programmed into Arduino ethernet shields and turn a profit.
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[1:59] <ctyler> I wonder how fast a BASIC JIT (instead of interpreter) could get.
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[4:56] <UnaClocker> I want pi!
[4:56] <UnaClocker> ;)
[4:56] <arthurdent> we want pi
[4:56] <arthurdent> we want pi
[4:56] <UnaClocker> Send me a bare board and a pile of parts, I'll solder it myself. ;)
[4:58] <UnderSampled> UnaClocker: good luck with that :P
[4:59] <UnaClocker> hehe, it'd beat waiting.. :)
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[5:06] <arthurdent> does anyone who works at RPi ever come to the chan?
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[5:22] <relaxed> I assume there are spies lurking.
[5:23] * kcj looks nervous.
[5:26] <relaxed> As I understand it the api to interface with GPU is called OpenMax IL (or similar). I believe vlc has support for that. Any tried or know if that's possible? Having vlc with hardware decoding support would be grand.
[5:29] <relaxed> mplayer sadly doesn't not have support (yet)
[5:30] <relaxed> s/doesn't/does/
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[6:21] <Byan> so
[6:21] <Byan> how open source is RPI?
[6:21] <Byan> are they going to release schematics?
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[7:44] <zabomber> seriously... this is getting to me
[7:44] <zabomber> i want one
[7:44] <zabomber> and i dont want to wait till january...
[8:00] <Dagger3> have one, before January and for $35: pick two
[8:01] <zabomber> ?
[8:01] <zabomber> stop playing with my heart
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[8:03] <Dagger3> the intent, I thought, was to auction off the 100 unit test batch, which will probably happen this month
[8:03] <Dagger3> so if you don't mind paying for it, then you can certainly have one before January
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[10:02] <zabomber> Dagger3: thanks. wihtout being pushing, do you know if they have confirmed that it will be released for "auction" before 2012?
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[12:53] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[13:26] <jzu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/402
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[14:00] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
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[15:42] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[15:43] <IT_Sean> HAHAHA!
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[15:48] <IT_Sean> morning ukscone. Seen any aliens lately?
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[16:45] <ukscone> Dear Santa. I've been good all year...Well most of the year....Okay fuck it, i'll buy my own
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[16:50] <DaQatz> ukscone, Added that one to the bot
[16:51] <ukscone> i hope you changed the uck to *** :)
[16:53] <datagutt> oh no swearing
[16:53] <IT_MTNG> clearly, i have missed something :p
[16:53] <datagutt> ukscone: dont worry i can edit the logs
[16:53] <datagutt> :)
[16:54] <ukscone> :)
[16:55] <DaQatz> I can as well, but not about too.
[16:55] <ukscone> datagutt: i'm thinking that on release day you should archive the existing logs and we start from scratch with clean ones. also get DaQatz to go through the welcome messages and edit any that are not quite suitable for the 8 to 13 age group
[16:56] <DaQatz> Does sound like a good idea.
[16:56] <ukscone> we wouldn't want to be an embarrisment to the foundation (if we can help it)
[16:57] <IT_MTNG> that ship has left the port a long time ago, i think.
[16:57] <ukscone> although we can be a bit laxer and i wouldn't want to be a dictator about what ppl say but lets be nice, friendly and as little bawdyness as possible
[16:58] <ukscone> IT_MTNG: yeah it did especially by me but lets turn over a new leaf come release day
[16:59] <datagutt> Sure
[16:59] <IT_MTNG> sounds good
[17:00] <IT_MTNG> is it releasae day yet? :p
[17:01] <ukscone> if noone from the foundation wants to take over ops i'll probably make a few ppl in various tz ops
[17:02] <ukscone> IT_MTNG: nah sometime in jan seems the best guess for the big batch
[17:02] * IT_MTNG sighs
[17:02] <ukscone> i'm leaning towards the 12th to thee 21st
[17:02] <ukscone> they are testing the beta boards as we speak so
[17:02] <IT_MTNG> I'll guess sometime betweenthe 1st and the 31st
[17:02] <DaQatz> Hopefully having a low number of ops won't be an issue.
[17:03] <IT_MTNG> From my own channel running experiance: have your ops only op themselves as needed
[17:03] <IT_MTNG> trust me, it saves a lot of drama in the long run
[17:03] <DaQatz> Well yes
[17:03] <DaQatz> Not quiet what I meant
[17:04] <DaQatz> I actually tend to prefer to "mask" the ops. Actual kicks/etc.. done through a bot.
[17:04] <IT_MTNG> that works too
[17:04] <DaQatz> So you don't get trouble makers harassing people.
[17:05] <ukscone> DaQatz: yes i would too if i can work out how to do it -- will be installing the "official" bot on my server sometime for that type of thing and letting other bots do what they want
[17:05] <ukscone> but do want a couple of other ops just in case they need to do something or i get run over by a bus
[17:05] <ukscone> ok talk about weird text.
[17:06] <ukscone> son just texted me this msg "do you know where to get rabbit meat or goat meat from?"
[17:06] <IT_MTNG> o.O
[17:06] * DaQatz nods.
[17:07] <ukscone> not sure why the hell he would want to know as 1. he doesn't do that type of cooking -- only chiicken and ramen and 2. he is studying criminology and psychology not catering
[17:07] <DaQatz> Some networks have service bots that do that.
[17:07] <DaQatz> Does help to prevent some issues.
[17:07] <ukscone> ugh i need to put the groceries away the cat is trying to eat the celery
[17:07] <DaQatz> Goat meat tastes better then rabbit imo.
[17:08] <ukscone> yup goat is quite like mutton
[17:08] <ukscone> i do like rabbit in a game pie though
[17:08] <ukscone> ugh now the other cat is trying to eat the celery
[17:08] <DaQatz> A bit of bay cumin, and some tomato. Yum
[17:11] <ukscone> DaQatz: you suggesting i let them eat the celery, carrots and onion then season them and bake at gas mark 4 for 3 hours?
[17:11] <ukscone> :)
[17:12] <DaQatz> Lol
[17:13] <DaQatz> Mirepoix
[17:13] <DaQatz> Normally not done post ingestion.
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[17:50] <ukscone> http://soundcloud.com/allistonmedia/sets/a-c64-christmas this is sooooo annoying it's good and will really piss people off when i put it on the stero and point the speakers out of the window at full volume -- it goes to 11 :)
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> !w
[18:03] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue Dec 6 20:18:00 2011. Temp 57??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 100%. Later 58??F - 43??F. Condition: Rain
[18:03] <PiBot> Wed: High 52??F Low 32??F :Condition Rain
[18:03] <PiBot> Thu: High 45??F Low 25??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:03] <PiBot> Fri: High 43??F Low 27??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
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[18:50] <ukscone> this comment from a friend is for IT_Sean :)
[18:50] <ukscone> If maintenance in the average factory was handled the same way IT is handled at the average company most machines would consist of approximately 30-50% duct tape, newspaper, string and glue..
[18:51] <IT_Sean> hey, to be fair, none of the machines here are held together with newspaper, string, or glue!
[18:51] <traeak> i thought most IT departments were basically company paid technical support who pass on phone calls to dell, hp, etc.
[18:52] <IT_Sean> I generally don't support PCs (although, the maintence and upkeep of the office PCs does fall to me). My primary function is providing support to our customers.
[18:52] <traeak> ahh customer support, different animl
[18:52] <traeak> heh
[18:52] <IT_Sean> yes.
[18:52] <IT_Sean> i support our product set.
[18:53] <IT_Sean> and although it is technical in nature, i do not support pee cees
[18:53] <traeak> that means you aren't IT then right?
[18:53] <IT_Sean> for the most part
[18:53] <IT_Sean> Well, i'm IT for the office
[18:53] <IT_Sean> I'm responsible for the upkeep on the office workstations and our servers, as well as my primary roll of keeping the customers in check
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[19:00] <IT_Sean> the guy in the cubical across from my office is loudly slurping soup.
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[19:01] <ukscone> IT_Sean: beat him with a baseball bat -- that's a capital offense
[19:01] <IT_Sean> i haven't got one
[19:02] <IT_Sean> I have got a device in a 1U metal case. will that do
[19:02] <IT_Sean> ?
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[19:22] <traeak> scary i got one of those new 3930X sandy bridge procs and they gave me a block + radiator for free
[19:23] <traeak> just sick how much power these damn cpus take
[19:24] <UnderSampled> traeak: you mean a fan/heatsink?
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[19:24] <traeak> UnderSampled: no it's an enclosed liquid cooler, it's a water block + radiator and 2 fans
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[19:24] <traeak> i remember vaguely reading this summer that intel was pushing for that
[19:24] <UnderSampled> traeak: pics?
[19:24] <traeak> i have to go give a demo
[19:24] <UnderSampled> ok
[19:25] <traeak> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0365791
[19:25] <ukscone> mother f*****!!!!!!! my developement vm has a corrupted hd image just when i needed to use it to cross compile a program -- sod knows if i can remember how to recreate it because of all the tweaks i made to it
[19:25] <traeak> high performance computing
[19:25] <traeak> if you ask a customer to get a demo system ready they usually go dumpster diving
[19:25] <ukscone> i made this one about 3 years ago and sod knows what i did to get it working correctly
[19:25] <traeak> you mean it's not backed up? (hehe)
[19:26] <ukscone> it's backed up in several places but the backups are corrupted too
[19:26] <Skummel> auch
[19:26] <traeak> ahh
[19:26] <UnderSampled> ukscone: could you ddrescue combine them?
[19:26] <ukscone> because the error didn't appear visibly until just now and i checked the backup i made 4 months ago last time i added stuff to it and it's corrupted too
[19:26] <UnderSampled> oh
[19:27] <traeak> yeah there's that problem...backups can be damn good at replicating garbage
[19:27] <Skummel> how about older then 4 months?
[19:27] <traeak> UnderSampled: they gave that to me for free with the cpu purchase
[19:27] <UnderSampled> traeak: nice
[19:27] <ukscone> Skummel: too old
[19:28] <traeak> UnderSampled: i'm not sure...this sucks for test bed..where do you dangle the radiator?
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[19:28] <ukscone> i'd have to readd about 17 libs and god knwos whatelse and two upstream sites are gone now
[19:28] <UnderSampled> traeak: put it in place of one of the case fans?
[19:28] <traeak> UnderSampled: the mobo adn ram come today, the case in a copule of days...i got the cpu locally
[19:28] <traeak> UnderSampled: what case ? :-p
[19:29] <ukscone> just need to build this one app then i can shift dev to the real device
[19:29] <UnderSampled> ukscone: what device?
[19:29] <ukscone> and i'll look to see about making a new vm then or just saying sod it i'll switch to a new dev enironment and method
[19:29] <ukscone> UnderSampled: a zipit z2
[19:30] <traeak> ukscone: doing something with that device for real?
[19:31] <ukscone> i was going to swap all my zipits to uboot and openwrt but i still have one client who is using my stock firmware setup and want to get this out the door and usable then switch him to uboot and openwrt too but i need to get this version working first then switch later in the new year
[19:31] <ukscone> traeak: i do lots of stuff on them. have a coouple of clients that use them in their businesses
[19:31] <ukscone> and then i use them for mucking about too
[19:32] <UnderSampled> ukscone: how are their uses different than just a smartphone
[19:32] <UnderSampled> ?
[19:33] <ukscone> UnderSampled: cheaper, no 3g, better clicky keyboard, linux, wifi.... they were designed for im and sms but came out just as ppl started buying phones for kids
[19:33] <traeak> keyboard is good...hmm...HP good ?
[19:33] <ukscone> nice tactile feel although it clicks
[19:34] <ukscone> but that was a design decision so that kids couldn't use them in class
[19:34] <traeak> i always thought they should use the HP calculator buttons as the base for a phone/small device
[19:34] <ukscone> and for about $15 if you can get them you can't go wrong for a pxa270, lcd, 32meg ram, keyboard and wifi and usb
[19:35] <UnderSampled> $15?
[19:35] <UnderSampled> where?
[19:35] <traeak> 320x200 i think right?
[19:35] <ukscone> yup might not be any left but the authorized dealer was clearign stop -- $15 plus dhipping
[19:36] <ukscone> yup except it's a rotated 240x320 lcd but ways to deal with that
[19:36] <UnderSampled> ukscone: so it has a sideways viewing angle?
[19:37] <ukscone> it's a potraight lcd longer than it is wide that was rotated to be landscape -- never really looked at it closely other than it exists
[19:38] <UnderSampled> ukscone: who was the authorized dealer?
[19:39] <ukscone> UnderSampled: on my blog
[19:39] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org and check around a couple of months ago
[19:41] <UnderSampled> so, http://www.zipitwireless.com/default.aspx?skinid=1
[19:42] <ukscone> nope http://russelldavis.org/2011/08/04/cheap-zipit-z2s/
[19:42] <ukscone> Edward Solomon
[19:42] <ukscone> President
[19:42] <ukscone> Proactive Distribution
[19:42] <ukscone> 1880 John F. Kennedy Blvd.
[19:42] <ukscone> 17th Floor
[19:42] <ukscone> Philadelphia, PA 19103-7422
[19:42] <ukscone> (215) 568-1700 ext. 245
[19:42] <ukscone> (215) 568-1701 (fax)
[19:42] <ukscone> esolomon.at.proactivedistribution.com
[19:42] <ukscone> he might be out by now though
[19:43] <UnderSampled> ukscone: are they worth $15?
[19:43] <UnderSampled> :P
[19:43] <ukscone> yeah
[19:43] <ukscone> lots you can do with them
[19:44] <ukscone> a lot you can't but a lot you can
[19:44] <UnderSampled> what kind of connectivity does it have?
[19:44] <ukscone> wifi
[19:44] <UnderSampled> only wifi? or also some sort of physical connections?
[19:44] <ukscone> and if you go to the uboot bootloader upgrade you cna use usb host
[19:45] <ukscone> just wifi
[19:46] <UnderSampled> ukscone: how many do you have?
[19:47] <ukscone> er er hmmmm not sure atm -- a few need debricking, a few i haven't unboxed and about 7 being used
[19:47] <ukscone> think probably about 15 maybe
[19:47] <UnderSampled> nice
[19:49] <UnderSampled> ukscone: how do you de-brick something?
[19:49] <ukscone> jtag or serial
[19:49] <UnderSampled> isn't that against the definition of a "brick"
[19:50] <UnderSampled> so it doe have a serial connection?
[19:50] <ukscone> nope it's a brick until you debrick it
[19:50] <ukscone> yes if you do the serial port mod to get to it
[19:50] <UnderSampled> how much would you charge for one of your bricked ones? :P
[19:52] <IT_Sean> UnderSampled: i spend several days out of the week de-bricking things that customers fiddled with in an inaproeprate manner
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[19:55] <ukscone> UnderSampled: depends on how desperate you are :)
[19:55] <ukscone> UnderSampled: you could also try to win an unused new one (sans box) by winning my christmas quiz :)
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[20:02] <ukscone> ok everyone cross your fingers i think i have found a non-corrupted vm hd image
[20:02] * UnderSampled crosses fingers
[20:02] * IT_Sean crosses his toes
[20:02] <ukscone> i won't know for the 30 minutes it'll take to copy it to this disk and make a nw vm
[20:02] <ukscone> but karma owes me a break
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[20:59] <tufty_simon> 'ullo.
[21:01] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[21:02] * tufty_simon is cursing because he accidentally installed newlib on his dev box and now stuff that should be erroring on compile isn't.
[21:02] <tufty_simon> bah
[21:03] <IT_Sean> but... ... errors bad.
[21:03] <IT_Sean> no errors good.
[21:03] <tufty_simon> heh
[21:03] <tufty_simon> I'm sure there's a magickal incantation for gcc to tell it not to use its standard header paths
[21:04] <tufty_simon> but I'm buggered if I can find it
[21:04] * IT_Sean has no clue
[21:05] <traeak> no compile errors? ship it!
[21:05] <IT_Sean> that's what i say
[21:05] <traeak> yeah
[21:05] <traeak> -nostdincludes or something
[21:05] <tufty_simon> I know how to tell the *linker* not to use the satndard libraries...
[21:05] <traeak> wait a sec
[21:06] <IT_Sean> as long as it works for a minimum of 30 minutes without crashing or releasing the magical blue smoke, it's good to ship! :p
[21:06] <traeak> -nostdinc++
[21:06] <traeak> uygh for c++
[21:06] <traeak> not sure about straight 'c'
[21:06] <tufty_simon> Hrm. let's give that a shot.
[21:06] <IT_Sean> -getf***ed?
[21:06] <tufty_simon> hahaha
[21:07] <tufty_simon> -nostdinc appears to work. Now complaining about a lack of <sys/time.h> W00t
[21:07] <tufty_simon> cheers
[21:08] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[21:09] <tufty_simon> that's loads better. nundreds an nundreds of larvely erors
[21:10] <tufty_simon> I'd probably better start implementing stuff like <ctype.h>
[21:10] * tufty_simon grins
[21:11] * IT_Sean also suggests <NoErrors.h> <killuser.h> and <hidethebody.h>
[21:11] <IT_Sean> I find those last two cut down on support calls dramatically
[21:11] <tufty_simon> Nah, I'll leave that lot to the garbage collector.
[21:11] <tufty_simon> mind you, killuser.h sounds very useful
[21:12] <tufty_simon> does it provide an ssh interface?
[21:12] <IT_Sean> it is. that alone custs my support call volume by nearly 90%
[21:12] <IT_Sean> telnet only m'afraid
[21:12] <IT_Sean> we do have a hardware beased dial in option, but you need to carry a modem around with you.
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[21:13] * IT_Sean pens a terminal and makes a few screechy modem noises
[21:13] <UnderSampled> ukscone: did the backup work?
[21:13] <IT_Sean> *opens
[21:13] <tufty_simon> Would a teletype with paper tape reader do? they're better for hitting people with than those piddly little hayes things
[21:14] <IT_Sean> heh... ::hefts a 1U encrypred modem that weight about 7 lbs and has a metal case::
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> Although not as effective as a teletype w/ paper tape reader, the devices i work with on a daily basis could, in a pinhc, probably kill someone with a good thunk to the head.
[21:17] <IT_Sean> *pinch
[21:18] <tufty_simon> When I was a kid, I managed to get given a teleprinter. Made my own interface for it.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> before my time
[21:18] <tufty_simon> the little rubber feet on the bottom were buggered, though, so as it printed it slowly drilled 4 holes in teh table it was on.
[21:18] <tufty_simon> weighed a ton. those buggers were made to last
[21:18] <IT_Sean> fantastic. :)
[21:19] <tufty_simon> It wsa also terrifyingly loud
[21:19] * merlin1991 feels like asking "is it out yet"? :D
[21:19] <tufty_simon> was, the, etc.
[21:19] <IT_Sean> that's funny merlin1991, i have the sudden urge to bash someone over the head with an encrypted dial modem
[21:19] <IT_Sean> odd that.
[21:20] * merlin1991 ducks
[21:23] <ukscone> UnderSampled: well enough i could build the prog and then check it ran on the device. i can do the tidying up of the app now and the startup script then kill all the vm's and build a neew one from scratch over the weekend
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[22:28] <tufty_simon> hrm. time for bed, methinks
[22:29] <IT_Sean> o.O
[22:29] <IT_Sean> where are you?
[22:29] <tufty_simon> Communist Frenchystan
[22:29] <IT_Sean> care to clarify?
[22:29] <tufty_simon> France
[22:29] <IT_Sean> Local time there?
[22:29] <tufty_simon> French Alps, to be exact. 22h30
[22:30] <tufty_simon> (and I'm knackered)
[22:30] <tufty_simon> On the other hand, I'm now almost down to the list of functions I need to implement
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