#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-12-16

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[10:08] <gabriel9> morning
[10:09] <gabriel9> i'm no Qt guru, and i don't have any Major Qt project
[10:09] <gabriel9> but i wsih to buy raspberrypi
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> hello
[10:09] <gabriel9> when will it be aviable
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> 'soon' =)
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> no set date
[10:11] <gabriel9> nice nice
[10:11] <Dagger3> you could ask liz on Twitter... at which point hopefully you would notice her fifth oldest post there which answers that very question
[10:12] <gabriel9> liz?
[10:13] <Dagger3> ... can't believe I'm recommending Twitter as a useful information source, but it seems to be the best place for this sort of thing :(
[10:13] <gabriel9> :D
[10:13] <gabriel9> well it have it's usage, just don't add everyone
[10:13] <gabriel9> i follow just developers and some companies
[10:14] <gabriel9> friend i don't have
[10:14] <gabriel9> you know Liz name on twitter?
[10:15] <Dagger3> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi
[10:18] <gabriel9> thanks
[10:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> early jan .... possibly
[10:42] <Dagger3> I would guess mid-late Jan is more likely, especially if you include shipping time
[10:42] <Dagger3> mass production isn't going to start until January, and nothing will happen in the first few days because of New Year's
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[11:40] <gabriel9|work> i can't wait to get one this device :)
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[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[12:22] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Fri Dec 16 10:50:00 2011. Temp 2??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 93%. Later 5??C - 1??C. Condition: Chance of Rain
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> lies - it's snowing
[12:28] <ahven> ~5C over here, constant showers
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[12:53] <RITRedbeard> mornin
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[12:55] <RITRedbeard> The time is 6:55 AM EST, the ambient temperature is 10C with 15MPH winds N/NW with 45% humidity.
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[12:56] <RITRedbeard> If you happen to live in the Eastern United States, particularly Philadelphia. :P
[12:58] <RITRedbeard> I've been up all night and wanted to say that.
[13:01] <RITRedbeard> And you are quite welcome, ShiftPlusOne.
[13:03] <RITRedbeard> Is it left shift +1 or right shift?
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[13:07] <ShiftPlusOne> left
[13:11] <RITRedbeard> I see.
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[13:18] <RITRedbeard> Looking at a quickcard for instruction set, don't see int div; gcc built for ARMv6 know enough about pipeline to make the smart decision?
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[13:22] <RITRedbeard> invoke VFP or use routine in libgcc
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[14:07] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[14:08] <IT_Sean> Good morning!
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> 'lo
[14:09] <IT_Sean> howsit?
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> 'tis good
[14:09] <IT_Sean> TGiF, aye?
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I actually work on the weekend
[14:12] <IT_Sean> ouch
[14:12] <IT_Sean> sorry
[14:14] <RITRedbeard> mornin
[14:15] <RITRedbeard> !w
[14:15] <RITRedbeard> fine
[14:15] <RITRedbeard> I SEE HOW IT IS!
[14:16] <Thorn_> !w dunfermline
[14:16] <PiBot> Thorn_: in Dunfermline, Fife on Fri Dec 16 12:20:00 2011. Temp 37??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%. Later 39??F - 28??F. Condition: Chance of Rain
[14:16] <RITRedbeard> !w philadelphia
[14:16] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: in Philadelphia, PA on Fri Dec 16 11:54:00 2011. Temp 48??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 41%. Later 49??F - 34??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny
[14:16] <RITRedbeard> Indeed, this is true.
[14:16] <ukscone> good morning all -- well everyone but Thorn_ he can go and sod off :)
[14:17] <RITRedbeard> Hello Europea-- errr UKers. :) :P
[14:17] <IT_Sean> !w
[14:17] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Fri Dec 16 14:53:00 2011. Temp 49??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 48%. Later 47??F - 27??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny
[14:17] <PiBot> Sat: High 38??F Low 22??F :Condition Partly Sunny
[14:17] <PiBot> Sun: High 36??F Low 23??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[14:17] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: swear like that again and i'll have to kickban you
[14:17] <PiBot> Mon: High 45??F Low 31??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[14:17] <ukscone> europeans indeed. that's a hanging offense in here
[14:17] <ukscone> morning IT_Sean
[14:18] <RITRedbeard> thus the :) :P
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[14:18] <IT_Sean> mornung ukscone
[14:19] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yay it's to get colder :) -- if we are really lucky maybe we'll get 26" of snow the day after christmas
[14:19] <IT_Sean> .... why is my voicemail light on?
[14:19] <ukscone> IT_Sean: because you have a voicemail?
[14:19] <RITRedbeard> !w Rochester, NY
[14:19] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: in Rochester, NY on Fri Dec 16 11:54:00 2011. Temp 34??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 67%. Later 40??F - 25??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers
[14:19] <IT_Sean> you think!?
[14:19] <ukscone> !w syracuse
[14:19] <PiBot> ukscone: in Syracuse, NY on Fri Dec 16 11:54:00 2011. Temp 37??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 67%. Later 40??F - 25??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers
[14:20] <RITRedbeard> Well, I could be walking to class right now, thankfully they don't want me back this quarter :P
[14:20] * IT_Sean puts his headset on and starts pressing buttons on his phone in an attempt to access his voicemail
[14:20] <ukscone> hmmmm hope now snow there my wife's nephew is driving back from uni there today
[14:20] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: yeah unfortunatly my son had his last class on tuesday, he only has to go in on wednesday and thursday for finals and to hand in a term paper
[14:21] <ukscone> really screws up my day when wife or kid are home
[14:21] <ukscone> how can i sleep all day when there are witnesses to my lazyness
[14:22] <IT_Sean> odd... i do have a voicemail
[14:22] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, today is last day/evening classes for my school as well, but I'm at home on a leave of absence. They didn't want to take me back.
[14:22] <RITRedbeard> So more time to develop for our little Pi.
[14:22] * RITRedbeard stretches fingers.
[14:23] <IT_Sean> ok... now... why is my VM light STILL on. :/
[14:23] <IT_Sean> bloody phone system.
[14:23] <RITRedbeard> Could be worse.
[14:23] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: oooooooeeeerrrrr what ya do? something naughty like stand in the quad in your undies
[14:24] <RITRedbeard> Nah, I took a leave because my fiance dumped me in the middle of the quarter unexpectedly.
[14:24] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: ah
[14:24] <ukscone> http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/5mb-hard-disk-in-1956/
[14:24] <IT_Sean> did you piut an RFID based tracking system on the campus patrol car?
[14:24] <IT_Sean> you did. didn't you?
[14:25] <RITRedbeard> Apparently I was too open about it... I had to go to hospital and all and now they're hesitant to take me back until they have more time to breathe and look at my silly medical records.
[14:25] <RITRedbeard> Silly red tape.
[14:25] <ukscone> IT_Sean: he put crazy glue in the campus police's donuts
[14:25] <IT_Sean> oooh... that's even worse than what i did
[14:26] <RITRedbeard> Campo is actually not too bad.
[14:26] <ukscone> i got suspended once in high school for putting paxatives in the facilty custard
[14:26] <RITRedbeard> They save me trips to the library when the people in the apartment next to me are partying with music on 11.
[14:26] <RITRedbeard> On a Tuesday.
[14:27] <ukscone> s/paxatives/laxatives
[14:27] <IT_Sean> that's fantastic.
[14:27] <IT_Sean> How'd you get caught?
[14:28] <RITRedbeard> Of course all the people partying are Criminal Justice/Liberal Art majors... no idea why they're going to engineering college
[14:29] <ukscone> the empty box of laxatives in my school locker (really should have known better) plus my mother was involved with the community side of the school and squealed
[14:30] <IT_Sean> ouhc. More importantly... was the package delivered?
[14:31] <IT_Sean> *ouch
[14:34] <ukscone> I really should have learnt not to trust my mother though. in 6th form i had one day a week where the only class was 1st period and well it was english lang so why even bother going? I used to go to a friends house and play darts, drink beer, play snooker etc. it would have been ok if my mother hadn't run into the teacher who asked "if i was feeling better yet as she hadn't seen me in class for 12 weeks and thought i might be ill or
[14:35] <IT_Sean> pahahaha
[14:35] <ukscone> boy did i get into trouble. my mother broke 4 pea canes on me :)
[14:36] <ukscone> and i had to do 12 weeks school work in a week
[14:36] <IT_Sean> ick
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[14:37] <ReggieUK> hey hey :)
[14:37] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[14:37] <RITRedbeard> hello 'guv :)
[14:37] <ukscone> hi old bean
[14:37] <ReggieUK> ar'ternoon
[14:38] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[14:38] <ReggieUK> any new news about pi?
[14:38] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yuk put them back in your head immediatly. you'll make me throw up if you keep doing that
[14:38] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes at ukscone
[14:38] <ReggieUK> our focuser project is moving forwards, a pi might come in really useful sometime soon
[14:39] <ukscone> ReggieUK: yes. anyone with 2 g's in their handle is banned from buying one
[14:39] <ReggieUK> so if liz could get her finger out of her ass it would be appreciated :D
[14:39] * IT_Sean plonks his eyeballs into a glass of water, swirls them about for a second or two, then pops them back into his head
[14:40] <ReggieUK> I don't mind being banned, I can circumvent that
[14:40] <ukscone> ReggieUK: actually i think she and eben are away this week, then it's christmas in yorkshire then a week doing something else for her work then ont he 21st they are off skiing
[14:40] <ukscone> so there'll be no pi news for a while
[14:40] <ReggieUK> shame
[14:40] <ukscone> so there is a small block between 121th night and the 21st where it might get released
[14:40] <ukscone> s/121/12
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, what's a focuser anyway?
[14:41] <ukscone> as she really needs to be around to nurse the store and reboot it every 30 minutes
[14:41] <IT_Sean> they are going on a skiing holiday and the pi isn't released yet!?
[14:41] <ReggieUK> ummm, it's a thing to facilitate focusing :D
[14:41] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: you know... it's telling the user to go foc himself
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> who would've though
[14:41] <ukscone> IT_Sean: i know, they are even going to spend christmas away too -- i honestly don't remember them asking permission to have those 4 days off
[14:42] <ReggieUK> it's an elctronic focuser unit for a telescope
[14:42] <IT_Sean> They sure as hell didn't ask me
[14:42] <RITRedbeard> No biggie on delayed Pi release, just means more time reading ARM ISA and looking over OpenGL ES 2.x :)
[14:42] <ReggieUK> stepper motor, driver board, arduino + 'ascom' driver
[14:42] <IT_Sean> stop looking at the bright side! I want PI!
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> so where does the pi come in?
[14:43] <IT_Sean> it waits for a user to approach the telescope, then tells them to foc off
[14:43] <ReggieUK> I want to develop an indi driver and use a pi as the controlling PC
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[14:43] <ReggieUK> in fact, I probably want to use a couple of Pi boards
[14:43] <RITRedbeard> they make linear hall effect sensors?
[14:43] <ReggieUK> but we'll see how it goes with one
[14:44] <RITRedbeard> yeah run plan9/inferno on them heh
[14:45] <ReggieUK> trying to get more linux supported astrononmy gear working really
[14:45] <ReggieUK> that's cheap as hell
[14:46] <IT_Sean> what are you planning on as a user interface for your focuser project?
[14:46] <ReggieUK> it's already written
[14:46] <ReggieUK> for windows
[14:46] <ReggieUK> VB :(
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[14:46] <ReggieUK> using ascom
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ....vb....
[14:47] <ReggieUK> ascom is an astronomy software layer much like direct X is for media
[14:47] <IT_Sean> I mean hardware wise... Are you going to hang a touchscreen off the raspi or something?
[14:47] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, maybe
[14:47] <ReggieUK> or a custom keyboard or just a real keyboard
[14:48] <ShiftPlusOne> just add as many unlabeled dials, switches and buttons as possible
[14:48] <IT_Sean> and make sure they all go up to 11
[14:48] <ReggieUK> :D
[14:49] <ReggieUK> It'd be nice to actually get outside and test it all
[14:49] <IT_Sean> It's a personal rule of mine to include as many unlabeled knobs, dials, buttons, and toggles in a project as i possibly can.
[14:49] <ReggieUK> I know the ascom code is working properly, the motor moves to where it should do etc.
[14:50] <ReggieUK> but I'd like to see it running with the 3rd party autofocusing software too
[14:50] <Thorn_> i dont know many knobs that come with a label
[14:50] <ReggieUK> see if there's anything we've missed
[14:50] <Thorn_> you have to talk to them to find out :(
[14:50] <piofcube> use runes on the labels though ;-)
[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[14:52] * IT_Sean suggests as 12 position rotary switch as the power switch for the whole thing. Positions 0 thru 10 don't do anything. Position 11 turns it on.
[14:52] * IT_Sean hides
[14:52] <piofcube> Yay! We just got our first donation today... First one during Alpha testing. I'm abuzz :-)
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> piofcube, donation for what?
[14:53] <piofcube> OpenIndieProject.org... The non-profit I'm Chair of
[14:53] <Thorn_> its not indie if its open
[14:53] * Thorn_ ducks
[14:53] <piofcube> lol
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I like how the front page says nothing about what it is =)
[14:54] <Thorn_> i go to the first page
[14:54] <Thorn_> and it says nothing
[14:54] <Thorn_> yeah what he said
[14:54] * IT_Sean donates a live, shaved skunk in a box labeled "Adorable Kittens" to OpenIndieProject.org
[14:54] <Thorn_> Need to describe the project on the first page or people don't care
[14:55] <piofcube> Yep... I'm doing all that today.
[14:55] <Thorn_> non-profit to support independent development
[14:55] <Thorn_> in what way?
[14:58] <piofcube> Several ways... In the traditional sense like providing Raspberry Pi plans to make devices like hearing test machines or educational tools. Also to encourage indie software developers to support alternative communication methods... Plus much much more
[14:59] <piofcube> The big companies like EA can afford to hire their own people ;-) but small indies and other small charities can't
[14:59] * IT_Sean grabs a small pile of thinkpads and sits down for a load of soffware installing :/
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, stop asking silly questions and watch this informative video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO0szxAU8yk
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> (it's as vague as the website)
[15:01] <Thorn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO0szxAU8yk
[15:02] <piofcube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k53Ev5sKBg0 explains the repository system
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[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> how many people are involved so far?
[15:07] <piofcube> there's about 7 people involved at the moment but we have only started in earnest today. There's more that's interested but wanted to wait for us to go into alpha
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you'll get this question a lot.... why not just use http://search.creativecommons.org/ ?
[15:12] <piofcube> using the CC search is helpful but there's a lot of those sites listed which are no longer available. Also, most of them are specific to one type of content. We want to encourage new content and provide a system which will bring it all together.
[15:13] <ukscone> piofcube: for your open alert system it's probably best to just base it of the existing open standards and systems i.e. xmpp with xep-127 (it's used for the state of california and washington dc) it does need some work but pretty much all your requirements are in the xmpp standard + the xep so all existign servers and clients already do it
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> aaand last question... will the specific type of cc license be forced or will the submitter have the option to forbid commercial use?
[15:14] <piofcube> Yeah... that's pretty much what we'll be doing. We'll also be making units to attach the the R-Pi so they can get the radio transmissions.
[15:16] <piofcube> There are many problems with the CC licence v 3.0 which is why they are having to re-write it. All of the content must be under the CC BY-SA 3.0 which will be fully explained tot hem before they can become a contributer. If they prefer one of the other licences then there's ccmixter or one of the others. Most people disagree on what "commercial use" is and this is one of the reasons why they are working on v4 of the licence scheme
[15:17] <ukscone> the only problem you'll have is devices with multiple comms methods i know that a company that worked to impl. something sort of based on xmpp had a few problems when switching seamlessly between 3g and wifi as the ovrhead (bandwidthwise) was a pita when 3g was lost and they had to switch to wifi and vice versa -- but it'd workaroundable with a bit of compressions and tweaking
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, thanks
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> by the way, some of the foreign language text in your first video is gibberish. google translate?
[15:18] <piofcube> LOL.. yeah google translate... That's why we need real people to do the translated talk tables...
[15:19] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: if the foreigners can't be bothered to speak (learn) english then they have no business being on MY internet :)
[15:19] <piofcube> ukscone... For the radio broadcasts, thankfully we won't be working on any tranmissions systems.... just the receiving end. makes things much cheaper for us ;-)
[15:21] <piofcube> radio broadcasts for the emergency alert... not the internet radio station I'm setting up right now :-)
[15:21] <ukscone> piofcube: ok -- you will come across some gotchas but on the whole just choose your xmpp client, make sure it supports xep 127 (or your mods to xep-127 and maybe pubsub and pep) and you are pretty much done :) (server side will want some tweaking too but not much) -- i'd say a week or so of actual coding and 3 months of teestign and you are set :)
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ok then, shut up and take my money
[15:24] <piofcube> yeah... we'll be getting some help from quite a few sources working on existing systems... IMHO it's daft re-inventing the wheel when the wheels are good. Best to use what's already tried and tested :-)
[15:26] <ukscone> ah that reminds me i want to start checking there are no problems building swift/switen and sluift for armv6
[15:27] <ukscone> and check that the lua i built will work to run prosody
[15:27] <ukscone> maybe i'll do that after my 10am nap
[15:28] <ukscone> ugh wife got new mousepads from heer job -- they give them to them each christmas because they have the court calander on for the next year and she doesn't use hers at work -- it's too slippy, my mouse keeps sliding off
[15:29] <ukscone> back to the red envelope on the desk i guess i don't need to keep bending down to pick up the mouse
[15:32] <IT_Sean> people still use mousepads?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> I thought the idea behind a mouse pad was to reduce ball wear
[15:33] <IT_Sean> and since i don't use a ball mouse... ...
[15:34] <ukscone> all my mice (and the wife's work mice) are optical but you do neeed the right colour deesk (or thing to put ouse on) to get it to work
[15:34] <IT_Sean> ahh
[15:34] <ukscone> especially if you have a weird colour desk/table
[15:36] <IT_Sean> my desk at work is some sort of fakeass grey laminate thing, and at home is wood, so...
[15:37] <IT_Sean> the work one is hideous, but, anti-static beggers can't be anti-static choosers, i suppose.
[15:42] <Thorn_> "reduce ballwear" is a new one on me
[15:42] <Thorn_> they 1) increaes optical/laser accuracy and 2) stop wear on the mouse' guides/feet
[15:43] <ukscone> Thorn_: you never want to wearout your balls -- very hard to get them replaced
[15:43] <Thorn_> but i was born with two, i'll always have a spare!
[15:43] <ukscone> ah the folly of youth
[15:44] * IT_Sean lobs a mouse ball at the back of Thorn_'s head
[15:45] <ukscone> IT_Sean: wrong area. should have aimed at his groin -- teach him the error of his ways
[15:45] * Thorn_ gets out the catapult
[15:45] * Thorn_ arms the elastic band
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[15:47] <IT_Sean> shite.
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[15:47] * IT_Sean sighs
[15:48] <RITRedbeard> sounds like you guys have a lot of interesting and unique uses for Raspberry Pi
[15:48] <Thorn_> gpio controlled catapult
[15:49] <IT_Sean> i'm warning you... do not fire that at me.
[15:49] <IT_Sean> you will come to regret it.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> actually... a few stepper motors... a small turntable... and some sort of reloading mechanism... You COULD make a fully automated desktop catapuld relativly easy. Control it all over a network.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> *catapult
[15:52] <Thorn_> power it from a lipo and control it from wifi
[15:52] <IT_Sean> YES!
[15:52] <IT_Sean> right twenty. full power.
[15:52] <IT_Sean> waaaait for it
[15:52] <IT_Sean> waaaiiit for it
[15:52] <IT_Sean> FIRE!
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[15:53] <Thorn_> nice shot!
[15:53] <IT_Sean> thanks. :)
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> yay for my own brother sending me conspiracy theory crap..... you guys know all of the hollywood celebrities are cia's mind controlled slaves? >_<
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[15:55] <Thorn_> eh
[15:55] <Thorn_> no need for mind control at all
[15:55] <Thorn_> they're simply socially indoctrinated into their situation
[15:55] <IT_Sean> your brother sounds like a pretzel
[15:56] <ShiftPlusOne> far from a pretzel... he's just going through a stage I guess
[15:57] <ReggieUK> the pretzel stage
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps, lol
[15:58] <ReggieUK> it's your job to edjumacate him that their is no conspiracy, it's just that the world is full of manipulative tossers
[15:59] <IT_Sean> he's a pretzel
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> when it comes to conspiracy theories, it's not about edjumacation.... he'll they're the ones trying to edjumacate the 'sheeple' by yelling at them and telling them to 'wake up'
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[16:01] <ReggieUK> but that's not education
[16:02] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's not
[16:02] <ReggieUK> and if sheeple can't think for themselves then they deserve the edjumacation they get
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I think after 2012 is over with, he'll be a bit more sceptical.
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[16:05] <IT_Sean> is he one of these nutters that thinks the world is going to completly shit itself in 2012?
[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of
[16:05] <ahven> well, the world is going that way, on the economical side :)
[16:06] <IT_Sean> shall i go and fetch the compay shotgun?
[16:07] <ahven> we have a personal gaschamber ;)
[16:07] <ahven> extinguishing system @ serverroom
[16:08] <IT_Sean> brilliant!
[16:08] <IT_Sean> expensive to refill, though, innit?
[16:08] <ahven> yep, single shot :(
[16:09] <ahven> and it isn't completely foolproof, you might survive
[16:09] <IT_Sean> my solution is probably cheaper. although the term "single shot" still applies, 'less my aim is off. :p
[16:11] <ctyler> server room extinguishing system is meant to be survived :-S
[16:14] <ahven> yep
[16:15] <IT_Sean> not if it's filled with helium!
[16:16] <ahven> an ideal solution would be to have an airtight serverroom and create a vaccuum in case of fire
[16:16] <IT_Sean> might be an issue for heat dissipation
[16:17] <IT_Sean> just about everyhting in there relies on active cooling. i.e. AIR flowing across a heatsinc
[16:17] <IT_Sean> you can't blow a vaccuum
[16:17] <IT_Sean> ask ShiftPlusOne, he'd know :p
[16:17] * IT_Sean hides
[16:18] <ctyler> there's a modified AC system that reduces oxygen content in the air by ~15%, and prevents open flame. Apparently breathing in there is like being on a mountaintop (+1500m above your altitude iirc)
[16:18] <ctyler> eliminates need for gas-dump system.
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what? O_o
[16:19] <IT_Sean> ctyler: does it require airlock style doorways?
[16:19] <ctyler> I think so, yeah
[16:19] <IT_Sean> coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[16:20] <IT_Sean> if all the servers were liquid cooled, you could have the server room exist in a vaccuum
[16:20] <ctyler> maintenance is still a pain
[16:20] <IT_Sean> yeah, but... having to don a space suit = hazard pay!
[16:20] <ctyler> :-)
[16:21] <ctyler> hazard pay?! Here in Ontario, IT workers are exempt from most of the labour regs. Mandatory overtime? Maximum shift length? Forget it!
[16:21] <ctyler> overtime pay*
[16:22] <IT_Sean> that sucks
[16:22] <IT_Sean> urf... our software department just ut out a new alpha build of our soffware. They put out new versions like it's a bodily function, i swear. :/
[16:22] * IT_Sean grumbes
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[16:54] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... one of the uses for the self driving car that google has just patented is to "drive faulty models back to the factory"
[17:18] <ShiftPlusOne> smart /s
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[17:19] <ShiftPlusOne> besides the ridiculous patent
[17:27] <RITRedbeard> You mean besides spying on people?
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[17:33] <RITRedbeard> brb black suits at my door
[17:34] <Thorn_> thats racist
[17:34] <Thorn_> what's so bad about black suits huh?
[17:34] <Thorn_> in some countries u'd get hung for that statement
[17:34] <Thorn_> u shuld be ashamed...
[17:35] <RITRedbeard> gov't/google employees
[17:35] <RITRedbeard> coming to take me away
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[17:56] <IT_Sean> why is there a goon squad at your door?
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[17:56] * IT_Sean pokes RITRedbeard
[17:57] <RITRedbeard> I mentioned the G word
[17:57] <RITRedbeard> The guys that like to spy on people.
[17:58] <traeak> you all got your rpis yet ?
[18:01] <ReggieUK> yup
[18:01] <ReggieUK> just unboxed mine
[18:01] <ReggieUK> I must say the ermine lined box was a nice touch
[18:02] <DaQatz> Did yours have the platinum edging too?
[18:02] <traeak> heh
[18:02] <traeak> haven't had time
[18:02] <traeak> just got back from a trip to the LA area (yuk)
[18:03] <ReggieUK> I gave the platinum edging a miss but that's cos I blew my budget on diamod led diffusers
[18:03] <ReggieUK> diamond*
[18:03] * DaQatz nods.
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[19:55] * IT_Sean has been toying with getting a new laptop
[20:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ..psh... laptops.
[20:02] <IT_Sean> psh... you.
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> for the price of a new laptop you could get a pretty sweet desktop upgrade
[20:03] <IT_Sean> I have a brand new desktop at home.
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Got it this past summer
[20:04] <ShiftPlusOne> so why the need for a new laptop?
[20:05] <IT_Sean> becauce this one is from 2003, uses a CPU architcture noone is using any longer, and is really beginning to show it's age as far as what modern software it can run
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I thought you were one of those people who buy a new laptop every year because they cbf formatting the old one.
[20:06] <IT_Sean> no
[20:06] <IT_Sean> i got this one in 2003 when i graduated high school. Since 2003, i have only purchased ONE computer, and that was the above mentioned desktop, which i got this past summer.
[20:07] <IT_Sean> I keep computers like most people keep houses. :p
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[20:07] <IT_Sean> Seriousily. It isn't hooked up at the moment, but i have a computer in my back room from the early 90s. 333MHz.
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, my laptop is 5 years old and my computer is... well it has been around since I can remember, but none of the original parts are there... so I don't know if that still counts as the same computer.
[20:08] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:08] <IT_Sean> New innards, in an old case?
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> the case has been replaced too
[20:09] <IT_Sean> ahh
[20:09] <IT_Sean> My father has a very nice i7 rig, which i built, in an SGI550 case.
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[20:10] <IT_Sean> it WAS an SGI550 until very recently, when he decided it was "slightly out of date"
[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah I've got a thinpad 560z which I still use, though I can't find a replacement battery anywhere =(
[20:12] <IT_Sean> i'll probably stick it out for another year, 'till this hits the big 10 year mark.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> IF this machine were in pristine condition, i could probably get $500 for it.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Sadly, it has got a dented corner. (not to mention the dive flag sticker on the lid)
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> dive flag?
[20:14] <IT_Sean> i'm also slightly attached to this machine. It's what i used all through college.
[20:20] <traeak> !w
[20:20] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Dec 16 13:53:00 2011. Temp 2??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 48%. Later 5??C - -7??C. Condition: Clear
[20:21] <traeak> IT_Sean: get one of these next week: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28409712/SamsungLaptopSale.jpg
[20:21] <traeak> battery life is the only drawback on this one
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[20:25] <feep> hi
[20:25] <feep> is there a way to emulate razzlepie in qemu or such?
[20:25] <feep> it'd be nice to test some porting stuffs
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, sure
[20:27] <traeak> feep: there's some images running aroudn somewhere...might find them on the forums or something
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> depends 'course on what you're porting
[20:31] <feep> traeak: thanks, I'll check
[20:31] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: how so?
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, if you want to do some low level graphics stuff, then it may be tricky
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> or things like drivers
[20:32] <feep> while that might be fun playing with, I mainly need accurate cpu emu.
[20:33] <traeak> I would guess that SDL would be pretty safe
[20:33] <ukscone> bloody hell. i know dev's have to earn a living but $19.99 for an app on the nookcolor to play bridge! -- what the hell were they smoking when they decided on the price???? whatever it was it must be some good s*** :)
[20:33] <traeak> SDL should nicely interface to the framebuffer only interface
[20:33] <traeak> heh
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, then you're fine with any arm11 and below distro and qemu
[20:34] <traeak> ukscone: bridge is pretty complex...then again, computers are good at applying rulesets
[20:34] <ukscone> traeak: yes framebuffer SDL is nice. stay away from directfb if you value your sanity though
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> SDL should indeed be a nice interface... opengl es is also meant to work on raspberry pi.
[20:34] <IT_Sean> sorry, was afk
[20:34] <traeak> ukscone: not sure i really like SDL that much though...then again if all you need is a "push" model to the graphics then it is just fine
[20:35] <ukscone> traeak: i know, i used to play and wrote a bridge game for the rml 380z -- took ages but i might pay $5 to $10 for it but no way $20
[20:35] <feep> traeak: I can't seem to find any isos.
[20:36] <ukscone> i really should see if i can find my port of Jet Set Willy using SDL and Pokemon graphics -- i know i saw a printout of it and a floppy about 2 apartment moves ago
[20:36] <traeak> ukscone: i ended up not having enough patience to play bridge very well :-p
[20:36] <ukscone> Jet Set Pikachu would be fun
[20:36] <feep> nvm, got it
[20:37] <traeak> ukscone: same with chess although apparently i was very good at it
[20:37] <ukscone> traeak: i played on the college team and then on a club team -- actually got soem master points a few times
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> has anyone on the forum started any open raspberry pi focused software project yet?
[20:37] <feep> can't find qemu instructions :(
[20:37] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne is your frend here i think
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, do you want to do it all by hand or do you want a quick, ready to go image?
[20:38] * IT_Sean makes a joke here about feep having no problem doing things by hand
[20:38] <feep> I could really go for some ready-to-go right now :D
[20:38] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: the more important part is having the same stdlibs as the eventual default razzlepie image
[20:39] <traeak> impatience first, then do the hard work if necessary
[20:39] <feep> .. is there even a default?
[20:39] <feep> anyway I don't want to have to switch ABIs in a month :/
[20:39] <traeak> abi ?
[20:39] <traeak> nah, libc, etc is pretty good
[20:39] <feep> calling convention
[20:40] <traeak> do we have access to google's stripped down libc ?
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> it will be eabi
[20:40] <feep> kay
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> (the arm one, obviously)
[20:40] <feep> ^^
[20:40] <Dagger3> supposedly qemu's `-cpu arm1176` is what you want
[20:41] * feep takes note
[20:41] <feep> actually. will there even be a default image?
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it will just be slightly modified fedora
[20:41] <Dagger3> and if you're doing it on debian, you'll need qemu-system from sid or experimental, I discovered earlier >.>
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> but I haven't kept up to date with what's going on on the forum
[20:42] <feep> I'll check the dev forum
[20:42] <feep> nightlies would sure be handy.
[20:42] <feep> .. is there a dev forum?
[20:42] <traeak> not enoiugh developers i think
[20:42] <feep> "qemu with the -M versatilepb -cpu arm1136-r2 options"
[20:42] <feep> aaah
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> feep http://raspi.springnote.com/pages/8235930
[20:43] <feep> thanks
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't updated that in... ever... so I don't know how relevant it is
[20:43] <feep> just need an image now
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> and you can download fedora here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM
[20:44] <feep> so .. just use a stock fed? and it'd be compatible?
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> fed?
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[20:44] <feep> fedora*
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's pretty compatible... I think I wrote some stuff on the forum ages ago about adding some modules to the rootfs, but I think it was optional
[20:44] <feep> I mean I kind of assumed there'd be a default image, but I guess it makes sense the devs are focusing on the hardware for now
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure that once it actually comes out there will be a default image
[20:48] <feep> magically?
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[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> no, they'll just release what they're using.
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> though I think I did see some files up for people with dev boards
[20:49] <feep> that'd be awesome
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> but again, I am not up to date on that.
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I can see the kernel patches here http://www.raspberrypi.org/kernel.zip
[20:54] <feep> eh, I'll use fed13. I can fix up the library stuff later.
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> http://myplugbox.com/rprootfs.tar.gz
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> the archlinux rootfs for raspberry pi
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> (runs on the actual hardware)
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and debian - http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Raspberry_Pi
[21:12] <feep> oh whee
[21:12] <feep> getting
[21:12] <feep> thanks :D
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[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, got it working?
[21:24] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: loading at 100K/s
[21:24] <feep> ask me in 20 minutes :p
[21:24] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: oh, is there a kernel image to go with the archlinux rootfs?
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> no that kernel is just a kernel.... as far as I am concerned a kernel should be distro independant.
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> actually those are kernel patches
[21:26] <feep> yeanh
[21:26] <feep> *yeah
[21:26] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: I mean, is there a kernel image anywhere, in general?
[21:27] <feep> I'm not sure how to crosscompile linux.
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[21:27] <feep> :D
[21:27] <feep> can I have it?
[21:27] <feep> pretty please, cherries, the works?
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't have it... I am just saying there's one out there somewhere
[21:27] <feep> Somehow I knew you would say that
[21:28] <feep> it was a toss-up between that and "check in /boot"
[21:28] <feep> :p
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> not in /boot?
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course not, don't be silly... raspberry pi is not designed that way
[21:28] <feep> no I mean
[21:28] <feep> "check in your /boot"
[21:29] <feep> there's probably a kernel image there :D
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[21:29] <feep> alright alright, googling crosscompile linux
[21:29] <feep> actually I need a toolchain first :D
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> or don't
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> http://nicklmbrt.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/raspberry-pi-tuning-the-kernel-0-3/
[21:29] <feep> oh, sweet! :D thanks
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> and also on the 'working with qemu' page I sent, there's a tutorial on how to compile a kernel.
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> well not on THAT page, but on that wiki thing
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[21:33] <feep> so noted
[21:33] <feep> will try that one first though :D
[21:37] <feep> hm
[21:38] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: it doesn't seem to do anything
[21:38] <feep> it just sits there, black screen, blank console
[21:38] <feep> crunchy ~/razzlepie $ qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1136-r2 -kernel kernel.img -append "root=/dev/sda" -hda root.img
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you expect things to 'just work'?!
[21:38] <feep> XD
[21:38] <feep> I expect things to fail noisily.
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[21:39] <feep> Silent failure is the enemy of maintenance.
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, my interest in qemu died out shortly after I wrote that wiki... so all my usable knowledge on the subject is there.
[21:39] <feep> :p thanks
[21:39] <Thorn_> it's just too slow imo
[21:39] <feep> I'll try updating qemu
[21:40] <feep> Thorn_: "too slow" is better than "can't test at all"
[21:40] <Thorn_> even on my 3.6ghz quad core, i was emulating a 4mhz ARM
[21:40] <Thorn_> it took about 4 hours to compile ncurses
[21:40] <Thorn_> and another 45 minutes to compile nano
[21:40] <feep> lol
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, ??
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't take that long for me
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, why not just use aboriginal or scratchbox or something simple like that?
[21:40] <UnderSampled> do you have Virtualization tech?
[21:41] <feep> UnderSampled: doesn't help with x86 to arm, afaik
[21:41] <UnderSampled> ah
[21:41] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: I .. don't know what those are?
[21:41] <feep> also I want an env that's close to the razzlepie
[21:41] <feep> for intuitive reasons :P
[21:42] <Thorn_> you dont
[21:42] <Thorn_> you want to be a man and have your own env!
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, may I ask what you're interested in porting exactly?
[21:44] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: two compilers :D
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[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> chances are it's already in the repos
[21:44] <feep> one compiler primarily to build the other
[21:44] <UnderSampled> Goodbye UnderSampled|tab
[21:44] <feep> so .. gdc and fcc
[21:45] <feep> and no, fcc is not in google because it's a homebrew project
[21:45] <Thorn_> porting compilers
[21:45] <Thorn_> you're brave
[21:45] <feep> I've actually done a gdc-to-nds port before, so I feel optimistic about that
[21:45] <feep> fcc is the bigger problem because it's very, very, very x86 centric
[21:45] <feep> and also it doesn't have a register allocator
[21:45] <feep> so, lol arm
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> so what you're saying is that you're a masochist?
[21:46] <feep> Yes. :3
[21:46] <feep> also this kernel image apparently comes with 32K of bootloader code .. I'll try stripping that out
[21:46] <Dagger3> on the topic of qemu... what sort of performance should I be getting under it vs an actual RPi? I'm not that familiar with qemu or ARM, so it's kinda hard to even guesstimate
[21:47] <feep> Dagger3: run a synthetic benchmark, compare to the manufacturer's data
[21:47] <Thorn_> Dagger3: if you hit 1%, you probably have an i7 overclocked to 5.8ghz
[21:48] <Thorn_> (dont bother with amd, per-core performance is lower)
[21:48] * Thorn_ throws in more fuel for the incoming flamewar
[21:48] <feep> thorn may be using an outdated qemu and a shitty configuration :D
[21:48] <Thorn_> actually
[21:48] <Dagger3> I can't really not bother with AMD; all my systems are AMD
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger3, it's hard to compare, since a lot of raspi's power is in the gpu rather than the ARM
[21:48] <Thorn_> i was one of the first to follow ShiftPlusOne's instructions :D
[21:49] <feep> hm. no change.
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> and last =)
[21:49] <Thorn_> haha
[21:49] <Dagger3> ShiftPlusOne: let's assume I'm running something that doesn't hit the GPU at all
[21:49] <Dagger3> since I can't emulate that on qemu anyway
[21:49] <feep> so I guess that wasn't it
[21:49] * traeak slaps around the GPU
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger3, you can look up some qemu demos, like the ruby for kids one... you can see the performance isn't too great, but if you run in qemu it's much much worse... but obviously that's no benchmark.
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> but it looked like the lag during the demo was related to IO rather than cpu speed
[21:55] <Dagger3> looks like `openssl speed` is about ~8 times slower under qemu vs native for md5
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds about right
[21:55] <Dagger3> but unless the RPi is about the same speed as a 2.7 GHz Athlon II, that doesn't really answer my question
[21:59] <traeak> athlon x2 or athlon64 or atlonxp ?
[21:59] <Dagger3> model name : AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 235e Processor
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[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> AMD Phenom II X4 940 ftw
[22:04] <Thorn_> lol noobs
[22:04] <Dagger3> my desktop is an X3 720... which quite happily runs with the 4th core enabled and overclocked to 3.2-3.4 GHz
[22:04] <Thorn_> i totally have a xeon E7-8870...
[22:04] <Dagger3> and was quite a chunk cheaper than the 940 too :D
[22:06] <traeak> we've got 2 athlon II x4's in the office right now
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> 940 was pretty cheap, but it was also a present from my girlfriend at the time, so I can't complain
[22:06] <traeak> they do nice for servers, etc
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[22:17] <Dagger3> aha! there are `openssl speed` benchmarks on the Wiki. now if only I'd left it running to completion rather than ^Cing out earlier
[22:17] <feep> qemu 0.14 and it still refuses to do anything.
[22:17] <feep> Dagger3: um, are you emulating razzlepie?
[22:18] <Dagger3> well, I'm running Debian on an emulated ARM processor under qemu... not quite an RPi as such
[22:18] <Dagger3> I'm using the instructions (and compiled kernel) from http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/18/raspberry-pi-emulator-in-ubuntu-with-qemu/
[22:18] <RobinJ> YAY! a kernel panic! :D
[22:19] <Dagger3> (I made the rootfs myself with debootstrap, but I guess you could use his)
[22:19] <feep> yay, more links
[22:19] * feep clicks :D
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> oh hey, my page is a source on that page =)
[22:21] <Dagger3> I'm also using... erm, "QEMU emulator version 0.15.94 (Debian 1.0~rc4+dfsg-1)"
[22:21] <feep> ALRIGHT
[22:21] <feep> archlinux booting
[22:21] <feep> woo
[22:21] <Dagger3> not quite sure why Debian calls it 1.0 if it's also 0.15.94, but hey
[22:21] <feep> where did I actually get this archlinux
[22:22] <feep> oh ShiftPlusOne
[22:22] <feep> it boots :D
[22:22] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: how do I actually log in :D
[22:31] <feep> nvm, got his rootfs
[22:35] <RobinJ> another kernel panic :\
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[22:51] <feep> uh
[22:51] <RaspberryAlison> UnderSampled|tab: What sort of tblet?
[22:51] <feep> Dagger3: the root password doesn't seem to work?
[22:51] <RaspberryAlison> s/tblet/tablet/
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[22:51] <UnderSampled> RaspberryAlison: HP tm2 :D
[22:51] <RaspberryAlison> aha, convertible
[22:51] * RaspberryAlison has a tc4400
[22:52] <feep> Dagger3: nevermind
[22:52] <feep> Dagger3: wrong keyboard layout XD
[22:52] * feep root:raspberrz
[22:52] <RaspberryAlison> feep: qwertz keyboard?
[22:52] <feep> yup
[22:53] <UnderSampled> RaspberryAlison: Cool. I love mine
[22:53] <Dagger3> I didn't test his rootfs. was easy enough to just debootstrap my own, especially since he gives instructions
[22:53] <UnderSampled> It's dualmode, so I can use either a pen or my finger
[22:53] <feep> alright, login works, dns resolution works but forwarding not yet
[22:53] <RaspberryAlison> Mine is my main laptop
[22:53] <RaspberryAlison> I can only wacom on it.
[22:54] <UnderSampled> RaspberryAlison: the capacitive touch is provided by wacom too. unfortunately it only supports two-finger touch
[22:54] <RaspberryAlison> feep: der Tastatur ist auch deutsch
[22:54] <UnderSampled> (no three finger gestures)
[22:54] <feep> RaspberryAlison: die tastatur
[22:54] <feep> feminine :p
[22:54] <RaspberryAlison> Well, mine is single-mode stylus. but I can multi-touch the keyboard
[22:55] * feep brb
[22:55] <UnderSampled> :D
[22:55] <RaspberryAlison> feep: thus making Das Keyboard ungramatical
[22:55] <UnderSampled> I use it as my main laptop too, but I use my desktop when I want screen-space
[22:55] <RaspberryAlison> erm
[22:55] <RaspberryAlison> multi-touch the trackpad
[22:55] <RaspberryAlison> I lack a desktop.
[22:55] <UnderSampled> yeah, my touchpad is the best I've ever used
[22:55] <UnderSampled> it supports up to three touch
[22:55] <RaspberryAlison> I can actually multi-touch my 2001-vintage Compaq Armada 110's trackpad.
[22:56] <RaspberryAlison> (provided I'm in lubuntu and not windows)
[22:56] * RaspberryAlison just ordered a 7" display for her forthcoming rPi
[22:56] <UnderSampled> RaspberryAlison: the other thing I like about the tm2 is that it has switchable graphics cards
[22:57] <UnderSampled> so I don't have to waste power when I'm not playing games
[22:57] <UnderSampled> though my low power gpu is acting up a little
[22:57] <DaQatz> Most of the time I will likely be using my RPi without an monitor
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[22:57] <RaspberryAlison> Mine is just GMA950 or GMA950. heck, it can't even do Compiz at 1920x1200+1024x768
[22:57] <UnderSampled> but If there's a bug for intel graphics cards, I can switch to ATI or vice versa
[22:58] <RaspberryAlison> Do you have to reboot to switch?
[22:58] <UnderSampled> nope
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[22:58] <UnderSampled> though I haven't quite figured out how to do it in linux (I mostly use windows), I know there is a way
[22:59] * RaspberryAlison single-boots Ubuntu 11.04 on her tc4400.
[23:01] <feep> wait
[23:01] <feep> no sshd in this image? wtf.
[23:02] <UnderSampled> O_o
[23:02] <feep> Dagger3: no sshd :(
[23:02] <feep> no native gcc either
[23:02] <UnderSampled> RaspberryAlison: I use windows mostly for the adobe suite -- great on a tablet
[23:02] * feep installs stuff :D
[23:03] * RaspberryAlison is a troglodyte; uses gimp
[23:03] <UnderSampled> does gimp run on the rPi?
[23:04] <traeak> why not?
[23:04] <feep> any way to get qemu to use a bigger font size?
[23:05] <RaspberryAlison> UnderSampled: I wouldn't.
[23:05] <UnderSampled> it may use functions of the gpu that aren't available on a mobile?
[23:06] <UnderSampled> also, linux runs quite well under virtualbox
[23:06] <UnderSampled> so I don't really need to dual-boot
[23:12] <feep> root@raspberry-pi:~#
[23:12] <feep> ALRIGHT
[23:15] <Thorn_> yeah now you did the easy bit
[23:15] <Thorn_> :P
[23:15] <Thorn_> (kidding)
[23:22] <feep> it's true~
[23:22] <feep> next up: crosscompiler
[23:24] <feep> what's the platform id for razzlepie?
[23:25] <UnderSampled> someone needs to make a virtualbox image of an install of linux with the crosscompiling/emulation/raspilinux set up
[23:25] <feep> arm-softfloat-linux-gnueabi?
[23:25] <feep> arm-none-linux-gnueabi?
[23:25] <feep> seems to be ..
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> back
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, I am sure somebody did
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> check with ukscone when he's on, I think he'd know where to find it
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I hate the forum software so I am not going to look for it, but I think there was a torrent of it on TPB
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6667294/Raspberry_Pi_VM
[23:31] <feep> * Target System: arm-none-linux-gnueabi
[23:31] <feep> alright, let's see :D
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, what'cha doing?
[23:31] <feep> man portage makes crossdev way too easy
[23:31] <feep> gentoo*
[23:31] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: trying to get a toolchain up :D
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> which distro are you working with?
[23:32] <feep> gentoo~
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean as the guest
[23:32] <feep> archlinux, but I'm trying to build on gentoo.
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> though I would just use codesourcery's toolchain
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> (for crosscompiling)
[23:35] <feep> meh! :D
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, have fun with crossdev's incomplete documentation
[23:36] <feep> yup :D
[23:53] <feep> Target: arm-none-linux-gnueabi gcc version 4.5.3 (Gentoo 4.5.3-r1 p1.0, pie-0.4.5)
[23:53] <feep> alright!
[23:53] <feep> aand building glibc failed. let's see.
[23:54] <feep> okay~ retrying

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