#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2011-12-29

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[0:34] <uriah> so, it's too bad that since 10000 raspberry pi's are being made, most people will only receive them about 2 months after they're released.
[0:34] <uriah> due to immense demand, therefore backorder
[0:35] <uriah> btw... who here is going to be using gentoo on theirs?
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[1:04] <azalyn> uriah: i might use gentoo.
[1:04] <azalyn> i don't know yet.
[1:04] <piofcube> I haven't decided yet
[1:04] <azalyn> i'm using gentoo on my desktop.
[1:04] <azalyn> if i use gentoo on the pi though, i'd probably want to use distcc to compile..
[1:05] <azalyn> arch apparently has an arm port, so i might use that instead
[1:05] <piofcube> I haven't tried Gentoo yet but I think I'll at least have a look at it over the next couple of days
[1:05] <uriah> azalyn: uhm, wouldn't you rather cross-compile and then copy it to the sd card?
[1:06] <uriah> i don't trust arch enough for my purposes... hell, i may even end up just building LFS
[1:06] <azalyn> maybe? i've never done that before.
[1:06] <azalyn> so i'm not so sure how to go about it.
[1:06] <uriah> i believe that's how gentoo arm works after all
[1:06] <uriah> compiling directly on an arm machine will wear it out
[1:06] <uriah> toast it
[1:06] <uriah> lo
[1:06] <uriah> l
[1:06] <azalyn> i've only used gentoo on amd64.
[1:07] <uriah> i've done it on an android though
[1:07] <uriah> ah, k
[1:07] <uriah> i've used gentoo on a p1 100mhz
[1:07] <uriah> that was hella painful
[1:07] <azalyn> actually i did have one i686 machine.. i forgot about it.. a laptop. 500MHz P3
[1:07] <uriah> who here has an alpha board?
[1:07] <ChrisLenz> i have 3
[1:07] <azalyn> but that was a long time ago.
[1:07] <uriah> mmmm
[1:07] <uriah> ChrisLenz: lucky
[1:07] <ChrisLenz> i wish i did
[1:07] <uriah> ChrisLenz: do you also have a quasi-production board?
[1:08] <uriah> lol
[1:08] <uriah> k
[1:08] <azalyn> i've never installed linux on any arm device. the only arm device i even own is my palm pre.
[1:08] <ChrisLenz> ill buy one off of someone if they have an extra :P
[1:08] <azalyn> which has linux/webos on it by default. but i haven't messed with it.
[1:08] <piofcube> I'm thinking about hanging around the skip at the back of the Raspberry Pi Foundation in case they chuck any prototyping boards out j/k ;-)
[1:08] <azalyn> now that webos is going opensource, i might play with it more
[1:08] <uriah> they should probably limit orders to 1 unit per person for the first batch
[1:08] * RaspberryAlison slaps piofcube
[1:08] <ChrisLenz> uriah, i think they are
[1:08] <uriah> oh, good then.
[1:09] <uriah> too bad they aren't making like 50K units in the first batch
[1:09] <azalyn> i'm in no rush.
[1:09] <uriah> azalyn: for android they cross-compile
[1:09] <azalyn> i think it's a shame they won't have mounting holes though. but i understand why.
[1:10] <azalyn> i mean in the beginning. i know they might have them later
[1:10] <ChrisLenz> uriah - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/order-limit
[1:10] <RaspberryAlison> Remind me again why I have Raspberry on hilight.
[1:10] <uriah> azalyn: just get someone with a 3d printer to fit a case perfectly for it
[1:11] <uriah> RaspberryAlison: because it's the sexiest fruit around
[1:11] <uriah> thanks ChrisLenz
[1:11] <RaspberryAlison> uriah: sure :)
[1:11] <azalyn> people with 3d printers don't just grow in my backyard, you know?
[1:11] <uriah> azalyn: sure they do... or almost
[1:11] <azalyn> no :P
[1:12] <uriah> i'm going to possibly convince a friend to get one... he wants to start a tshirt+patch business
[1:12] <azalyn> it's not really a case that i want. i just want to be able to mount it somewhere.
[1:12] <azalyn> maybe on a desk..
[1:12] <azalyn> or on a wall
[1:12] <azalyn> even without a case.
[1:12] <RaspberryAlison> azalyn: If people grew in your back yard that would be creepy
[1:12] <RaspberryAlison> azalyn: blu-tack
[1:12] <piofcube> I have been doing a little research into a couple of things... GPIO to MMC (MicroSD and DDR RAM) and radio receiving circuits to listen into the emergency broadcast systems... Seems to be possible
[1:12] <RaspberryAlison> ;)
[1:12] <azalyn> i'll probably magic something up.
[1:12] <uriah> RaspberryAlison: genius @ blu-tack
[1:14] <azalyn> it's a computer, not a poster. :P
[1:14] <azalyn> or flyer.
[1:14] <uriah> lol
[1:14] <uriah> it can be used as a picture frame
[1:14] <uriah> with limitless capabilities
[1:14] <azalyn> i have a bunch of junk, and a dremel. i'm sure i'll be able to cook something up
[1:15] <uriah> dremel?
[1:15] <piofcube> Junk + Dremel = Me with a grin on my face ;-)
[1:15] <azalyn> i still haven't figured out how not to use up the discs so quickly...
[1:15] <azalyn> everytime i use it, the cutting wheels get used up within less than a minute..
[1:16] <piofcube> Lift the disc off what you're cutting more regularly so they don't heat up so much
[1:16] <azalyn> maybe i can put some string through the GPIO vias or something... and hang it up somewhere.. :P
[1:17] <azalyn> i can use the dnc vias, since they're not used for anything else.
[1:17] <azalyn> would have to be something plastic or whatever that doesn't conduct.
[1:17] <piofcube> Mobile computing? Put a few R-Pis on strings and a couple of coat hangers
[1:20] * uriah will be using the gpio's to control motors
[1:20] <uriah> or something
[1:21] <azalyn> oh my, that's so cute, i just rewatched the video (red wire one) and noticed that they replaced tux with a raspberry!
[1:21] <azalyn> in the bootup
[1:22] <uriah> what 'distro' were they using?
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[1:22] <azalyn> i have no idea. but i'm going to guess debian.
[1:22] <uriah> hmm...
[1:22] <azalyn> you can tell it's not using systemd though. ;)
[1:22] <azalyn> since it's slow.
[1:22] <azalyn> but that's understandable
[1:22] <uriah> i'm rather certain that i'll be building my own distro
[1:22] <azalyn> it's too new.
[1:22] <uriah> as in going the LFS path
[1:23] <uriah> LFS with my own init script
[1:23] <uriah> for whatever is needed
[1:23] <azalyn> i might do an lfs one day, but just to learn from it.
[1:23] <azalyn> i never want to run lfs on anything important.
[1:23] <azalyn> i want automatic package management and stuff
[1:24] <azalyn> arch would be ideal if the arm arch port works well.
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[1:25] <uriah> heh
[1:25] <uriah> for a raspi system i want to have the most minimal system possible
[1:25] <uriah> which means no X
[1:25] <uriah> i might run gentoo on another raspi project, but not this one
[1:27] <piofcube> I need to get my head round this TI PIC coding environment. Just finished recording a video showing how to set up the dev board... Now I need to write some code to make it do something.
[1:27] <piofcube> I'll be adding the MSP430G to the R-Pi
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[2:16] <uriah> piofcube: i'll be adding this to the r-pi: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10736
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[2:19] <piofcube> Yeah, I was looking at that one but the price threw me off a bit... I did find another one similar but 25% of the price though it only had the accelerometer... I didn't save the URL for it though :(
[2:21] <uriah> piofcube: the problem is, though... do you think the magnetometer on there will work through a hard drive casing?
[2:21] <piofcube> As I'll be drawing up PCB layouts, I'll probs look at getting the components and adding them to the board in a future project
[2:21] <uriah> heheh, cool
[2:23] <piofcube> I don't why not... the flux from the new harddrives shouldn't be a big problem unless it's right next to it. If you're not using an ATX PSU, that shouldn't be a problem either as there would be very little power... Not 100% sure though. The old MFM drives definately would as they threw off a lot of magnetic radiation reletively speaking
[2:23] <piofcube> don't see why not**
[2:23] <uriah> no no
[2:23] <uriah> what i mean is
[2:24] <piofcube> Ah... put the R-Pi inside a HDD case
[2:24] <uriah> will a magnetic field be sensed through a hard drive casing if i take all of the hd's components out and place my electronics in it to shield them from cosmic radiation?
[2:24] <uriah> indeed
[2:25] <piofcube> If it did, you could cut out a small square hole and cover it with the R-Pi sticker ;)
[2:25] <uriah> lol
[2:25] <uriah> perhaps
[2:25] <uriah> if it blocked it you mean
[2:25] <piofcube> yep
[2:25] <uriah> piofcube: in any even there may already be a hole where the hard drive motor used to be
[2:26] <uriah> we'll see
[2:27] <piofcube> True and I guess you could even mount it where the IDE/SATA sockets would have been. Maybe mount the board where the HDD controler used to be.
[2:27] <uriah> perhaps
[2:27] <uriah> i'll probably burn it out though
[2:27] <uriah> i'll ask a friend who works for the CSA
[2:28] <uriah> :P
[2:28] <piofcube> Child support agency or Community-supported agriculture? :P
[2:29] <uriah> canadian space agency
[2:29] <uriah> :P
[2:29] <piofcube> LOL
[2:29] <uriah> http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/default.asp
[2:30] <uriah> you know... the dudes behind the canadarms
[2:31] <piofcube> Ah the SRMS
[2:33] <piofcube> Okay... voice over time... Hope I can record this in 1 take LOL
[2:33] <uriah> indeed
[2:34] <uriah> good luck
[2:34] <piofcube> Thanks
[2:34] <uriah> if you screw up just cut out what you don't like and keep the good parts
[2:34] <uriah> that's how i recorded my album :P
[2:35] <uriah> well... when we screwed up we'd just start again where we'd screw up and just keep going
[2:35] <uriah> took like a month
[2:35] <uriah> 2-3 days per week
[2:39] <ReggieUK> the new scientist says to put your electronics in a cave, as low as possible, I'm guessing putting as much rock between your kit and the rest of the universe as is possible
[2:40] <ReggieUK> http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/03/do-we-need-cosmic-ray-alerts-for.html
[2:40] * ReggieUK has been staring at cosmic rays for about 3 hours this evening :)
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[2:41] <ReggieUK> I've just spent an hour staring at this:
[2:41] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_Nebula
[2:42] <ReggieUK> got an hour each on jupiter and the moon too :)
[2:47] <uriah> ReggieUK: my electronics will be in spae
[2:48] <uriah> space*
[2:48] <ReggieUK> uriah, AWESOME and KUDOS!!!!
[2:48] <ReggieUK> what will your electronics be doing?
[2:49] <ReggieUK> I@m just happy to have gotten out at all tonight
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[2:49] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[2:49] <uriah> ReggieUK: random internet stuff :P
[2:49] <ReggieUK> first time I've been out with the telescope in over 12months
[2:49] <ReggieUK> I actually did a proper alignment tonight too :D
[2:49] <uriah> did you build your own telescope? :P
[2:49] <ReggieUK> I Wish
[2:50] <uriah> my cousin did
[2:50] <ReggieUK> I've built some addons for it
[2:50] <uriah> unfortunately his genius brain is with the stars now
[2:50] <ReggieUK> let me guess your cousin figured the mirrors for kek?
[2:50] <uriah> uh
[2:50] <uriah> i dunno
[2:50] <ReggieUK> oh that's sad to hear :(
[2:50] <uriah> he did it when he was 14 though
[2:51] <uriah> with help from teachers
[2:51] <uriah> and his dad
[2:51] <ReggieUK> I don't have the engineering skills or money to do it myself
[2:51] <uriah> but still... pretty pro
[2:51] <uriah> bah, it's just math dude
[2:51] <uriah> just build a self-launching satellite instead for like $1500
[2:51] <uriah> :P
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[2:52] <uriah> hmm, interesting
[2:52] <uriah> we have a freenode staffer in here?
[2:52] <ReggieUK> lol, I love the way you simplify it and ignore the fact that you've actually got to grind and polish glass to 1/10th wave :D
[2:52] <uriah> ReggieUK: if you want a badly mixed mindfuck of an album, go here: http://what.cd/torrents.php?id=826715
[2:52] <ReggieUK> I don't do torrents, but thanks for thinking of me :)
[2:53] <uriah> ReggieUK: lol, yeah... for the telescope you mean
[2:53] <uriah> ah, ok
[2:53] <uriah> usenet?
[2:53] <ReggieUK> is it on the utubez anywhere?
[2:53] <ReggieUK> umm, usenet might be ok
[2:53] <uriah> uh, it sounds even worse on youtube
[2:53] <uriah> it used to be on our site, but it went down cause my bassist didn't want to pay anymore
[2:54] <ReggieUK> I listen to drum and bass mainly and it will be coming out of the cruddy speakers on my monitor, so it's going to sound pretty poo whatever quality the recording is
[2:54] <uriah> ReggieUK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P7X6KdKe6A
[2:54] <uriah> ah ok
[2:54] <uriah> this is... an attempt at progressive rock
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[2:56] <ReggieUK> youre right though, the recording isn't helping but doesn't sound bad at all :)
[2:57] <ReggieUK> prog rock is not my kind of thing, more a zeppelin and iron maiden kind of guy
[2:57] <ReggieUK> but I appreciate what it takes to play in time (and in key!!) and not drop notes, so it sounds pretty good to me :)
[2:58] <uriah> thanks :)
[3:03] <ReggieUK> my friend does a bowie tribute act
[3:03] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6KKi1cdvn4&feature=related
[3:04] <ReggieUK> if you hear any dropped notes it'll be the bassist
[3:05] <ReggieUK> who's no longer with the band
[3:06] <ReggieUK> so I take it your electronics is for a comms satellite uriah?
[3:08] <ReggieUK> I@m just stoked that I managed to see m42 tonight through my own telescope
[3:08] <ReggieUK> and I resolved the trapezium
[3:08] <ReggieUK> I know it's not a particularly difficult thing to do but when you haven't had any starlight for a while it's a damn good feeling
[3:10] <ReggieUK> especially considering part of the mount broke and my battery went flat
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> I think I want to make a tape drive
[3:13] <piofcube> Once thing I need to research is how subtitles are transmitted via digital TV. I've done work a long time ago on capturing the text but that was analogue... I'll have to see how it's done now-a-days
[3:15] <piofcube> After watching the last R-Pi video of the samurai footage, I'm sure the R-Pi will be able to handle the 3D models required to show sign language
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> piofcube, link?
[3:16] <RITRedbeard> sign language? ASL?
[3:16] <ReggieUK> I'm sure hackaday had something about stripping bad words out of subtitles for digital broadcasts
[3:16] <ReggieUK> or rather keywords
[3:17] <ReggieUK> so it will monitor for keywords and mute the adverts/people that annoy you
[3:17] <piofcube> The samurai video was on the R-Pi main page... I am just starting work on the sign-langauge system.
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> I am interested.
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> My university hosts NTID.
[3:17] <piofcube> We are developing a system to allow all sign-language system to be supported
[3:18] <piofcube> Rochester?
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> Yessir.
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[3:18] <RITRedbeard> Building 60, I think?
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> LBJ
[3:18] <piofcube> I have heard lots of good stuff about Rochester
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> Helluva walk from the CS building :)
[3:20] <piofcube> Once we get our hands on the R-Pi, we'll see how far we can take it... then start knocking on doors for people to help us with facial gestures and animations etc...
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> Cool. Sounds pretty ambitious though!
[3:21] <piofcube> Also, maybe work on a glove system of some kind for deaf/blind applications... I'm excited about that.
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> that is gonna be tricky tricky tricky
[3:22] <piofcube> Yes, very ambitious but we hope to get a lot of people to contribute a little time. To begin with we will be using a talk table system then expand it to allow real-time conversion from text to sign (and possibly translations but even google has a tough time with that).
[3:24] <piofcube> The talk table system will make it very easy but some will think it might limit communication in some situations. We will be creating a set of APIs to allow software developers to add it to their software
[3:26] <piofcube> Also, it will all be released under an Open Source licence
[3:26] <uriah> ReggieUK: sorry about that, i got absorbed by zigbees :P
[3:28] <uriah> ReggieUK: i'll check that youtube link later. as for the satellite, yeah, comms, but also 2012 observation stuff, as well as taking nifty photos to use as a wallpaper, and, well... since i plan on having controlled self-launch and re-entry, i'd like to use it to travel the world while staying home, as well as maybe if i travel use it to scout the areas i'm headed to before going there, like a drone
[3:28] <uriah> (yes, i'm insane)
[3:28] <uriah> maybe even use it to lift me up to the top of cliffs too :P
[3:28] <Thorn_> also, use it to scout mars before you fly there
[3:28] <uriah> nah
[3:28] <uriah> i won't do that
[3:29] <uriah> earth is enough for me
[3:29] <uriah> mars would be complicated, i'd need to wear a suit to go anywhere
[3:29] <uriah> i'd know how to start colonizing it though :P
[3:29] <uriah> it involves aerogel
[3:29] <wwalker> suit ... ick! next you would have to wear a tie!!!! the horror!!!!!!!!!!!!! <shiver />
[3:30] <uriah> besides, when you're in space... travelling isn't exactly flying
[3:30] <uriah> i wouldn't call it that :P
[3:30] <uriah> fuck ties
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[3:30] <uriah> seriously
[3:30] <uriah> :)
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[3:31] <ReggieUK> yeah, it's more hurtling and hoping nothing hits you
[3:31] <piofcube> If something did you wouldn't know about it
[3:33] <uriah> heh
[3:34] <uriah> these new headphones are pretty damned good.
[3:34] <piofcube> I thought NASA would be after the R-Pi... they've started using Android phones up there as sats...so the R-pi would be more flexible.
[3:34] <uriah> lol really?
[3:34] <Thorn_> nasa arent professional enough
[3:35] <uriah> they use 1900mhz for comms?
[3:35] <piofcube> LOL
[3:35] <uriah> or do they use a phone with usb host?
[3:35] <Thorn_> everyone knows the most difficult thing nasa does is fiddle with arduinos
[3:35] <uriah> :>
[3:35] <uriah> the real stuff happens deep under cheyenne mountain
[3:35] <ReggieUK> they're using sms, or was that the russians on the grunt?
[3:36] <Thorn_> have you been under cheyenne mountain? protip: there's no gate.
[3:36] <piofcube> Nexus S and the IOIO board
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[3:47] <RITRedbeard> I prevented an electrical fire due to my keen sense of smell and experience with accidentally having the soldering iron on plastics!
[3:47] <RITRedbeard> hurray!
[3:51] <uriah> Thorn_: the gate is in my basement apartment, and is much smaller than you'd expect :P
[3:51] <uriah> it's actually the size of a 0.5x0.5mm piece of paper with a mickey mouse on it, you're supposed to keep it in your mouth for about an hour
[3:51] <uriah> cm*
[3:51] <uriah> :-/
[3:52] <Thorn_> and then it creates a wormhole in your mouth, you get sucked in and end up on a goua'ld mothership?
[3:54] <uriah> goa-uld
[3:54] <uriah> nah it just shows you the wonders of the universe
[3:55] <uriah> such as the double helix formation of our dna
[3:55] <uriah> lysergic acid
[3:55] <uriah> that is
[3:56] <uriah> tell me...
[3:56] <uriah> does anyone here have experience with xbees?
[3:56] <Thorn_> actually i come from a family of triple-helix gifted people
[3:56] <uriah> nice
[3:56] <uriah> i'm actually a squid descendant humanoid from orion's belt
[3:57] <uriah> just like jerry wills said
[3:57] <Thorn_> huh
[3:57] <Thorn_> does that mean you can piss ink?
[3:57] <uriah> which is why i know how to build a self-launching / controlled re-entry satellite
[3:57] <uriah> :P
[3:57] <uriah> nope
[3:57] <uriah> i'm genetically modified not to have 8 arms though
[3:57] <uriah> cause that just freaks out you xenophobe apes
[3:57] <Thorn_> oh
[3:57] <Thorn_> but 8 arms must be great for the ladies
[3:57] <uriah> freaks you xenophobe apes out
[3:57] <uriah> indeed
[3:58] <uriah> fortunately the womanizing magic is just implemented into the two arms
[3:58] <uriah> good for playing drums too
[3:58] <uriah> ftw
[3:58] <uriah> and typing
[3:58] <Thorn_> interesting
[3:58] <uriah> ...and all three activities amplify each other's greatness
[3:58] <uriah> i have more veins in my arms than most people
[3:59] <uriah> and arteries ofc
[3:59] <uriah> but back to xbess
[3:59] <uriah> xbees
[3:59] <uriah> have you used them before?
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[3:59] <Thorn_> never heard of it
[4:00] <uriah> ah, k
[4:00] <uriah> it's an encrypted wireless serial connection
[4:00] <uriah> it can do multipoint too
[4:01] <uriah> which allows one to have one xbee module on your r-pi's serial port, with xbee modules on your other components all connecting to the same port
[4:01] <uriah> apparently
[4:01] <kurt66> Newbie question here, Will I be able to take a Pi put linux on it and connect a hard drive and use it as a file server?
[4:01] <uriah> which is pretty cool imo
[4:01] <uriah> kurt66: yes
[4:01] <Thorn_> yes
[4:01] <Thorn_> usb harddrive though, speeds won't be great
[4:01] <uriah> kurt66: you may want to consider external power for the drive though
[4:02] <uriah> Thorn_: right?
[4:02] <Thorn_> depends
[4:02] <uriah> how many mA can the 5V of the pi's usb port sustain?
[4:02] <Thorn_> oh wait yes, you'll have to
[4:02] <uriah> yeah k
[4:02] <Dagger3> you can do ~30 MB/s to a USB2 harddrive, which isn't too bad
[4:02] <Thorn_> 100mA max i think (shared between ports)
[4:02] <uriah> Thorn_: he could just use a non-usb drive with one of those usb adapters
[4:03] <Thorn_> uriah: that's what usb drives are :P
[4:03] <uriah> that would likely be the best idea
[4:03] <uriah> yes, yes they are
[4:03] <Dagger3> ... and is in any case more than the 12 MB/s you could put through the 100mbit network card, so the speed of the USB drive isn't very important
[4:03] <uriah> but this would simplify the external power need
[4:03] <kurt66> so basically I will need to house the PI the hard drive and the power adaptor
[4:03] <uriah> indeed
[4:03] <kurt66> anyone started making cases yet?
[4:04] <Thorn_> Dagger3: 30MB/s through a usb drive is news to me, but fair enough
[4:04] <Thorn_> but yeah, more than the 12MB/s ethernet anyway
[4:04] <uriah> hmmm.....
[4:05] * uriah can't wait to see all of those nifty 3d printer made cases for raspi
[4:05] <uriah> imagine... a cellphone / computer that is whatever shape you dream of
[4:05] <Thorn_> sata is only 7 pins, can it be gpio wrapped?
[4:05] <uriah> probably
[4:05] <uriah> maybe not top speed though
[4:05] <Dagger3> may have been more like 28 MB/s or so, but... yeah
[4:05] <kurt66> and all the random items used as cases too
[4:06] <Thorn_> Dagger3: did you take those numbers from a windows copy dialog box? because that doesnt count :P
[4:06] <uriah> the pi's ethernet is 100mbit, right?
[4:06] <Thorn_> yes
[4:06] <uriah> k
[4:06] <kurt66> oh that was another question, this gpio thing i keep hearing about what is it? :D
[4:06] <ReggieUK> g'night all :)
[4:06] <Thorn_> nn ReggieUK
[4:06] <Dagger3> I guess the bigger issue would be whether you could sustain 12 MB/s read from the drive and 12 MB/s write to the usb ethernet interface at the same time, which isn't something I've tried
[4:06] <uriah> lol, i wonder whether anyone's actually going to put win8 on the pi
[4:06] <uriah> ReggieUK: gnight!
[4:06] <ReggieUK> :)
[4:07] <uriah> gnuite
[4:07] <uriah> :P
[4:07] <piofcube> nite
[4:07] <Dagger3> Thorn_: from the Windows performance counters during a copy :p
[4:07] <ReggieUK> gn uriah, Thorn_, piofcube
[4:07] <Dagger3> which should be accurate
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[4:07] <Thorn_> kurt66: General Purpose Input Output
[4:07] <Thorn_> on the pi, allows you to do 3.3 signalling
[4:07] <Thorn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Purpose_Input/Output
[4:08] <Thorn_> i (think) i read Liz say the GPIO's on the pi are even 5V tolerant... just not for very long
[4:08] <uriah> Thorn_: i can control motors with gpio right?
[4:09] <Thorn_> you wont be able to power motors from the gpio i dont think
[4:09] <uriah> no no
[4:09] <uriah> just control switches for on and off
[4:09] <Thorn_> as far as i know, yeah
[4:09] <kurt66> so you would have to create your own drivers or something to what you connect to it?
[4:09] <uriah> cool
[4:09] <uriah> kurt66: yep
[4:09] <Thorn_> i'm not too clued up on it myself tho
[4:09] <uriah> kurt66: well, sort of
[4:09] <uriah> but yeah
[4:09] <kurt66> over my head thats for sure lol
[4:09] <Thorn_> kurt66: it's not that hard :)
[4:10] <uriah> mine too.... FOR NOW
[4:10] <Thorn_> also, syslinux gave you a gpio interface in /proc/ where you can just write to them as file descriptors, not sure if that'll be available on the pi
[4:10] <Thorn_> actually
[4:11] <Thorn_> not sure where i got 'syslinux' from oO
[4:11] <Thorn_> but in any case, there was such an interface
[4:11] <uriah> hmmmmm
[4:11] <uriah> Thorn_: it probably will be
[4:11] <Thorn_> ah not syslinux
[4:11] <Thorn_> sysfs *
[4:11] <uriah> yes
[4:12] <uriah> Thorn_: you can also read straight from there right?
[4:12] <Thorn_> yes
[4:14] <Thorn_> also
[4:14] <Thorn_> (from the site)
[4:14] <Thorn_> the UART, SPI and I2C pins can be reconfigured as GPIO
[4:14] <uriah> yeah
[4:14] <uriah> not sure i want that
[4:14] <uriah> i2c is needed for i2c
[4:14] <uriah> i don't need spi for my project though
[4:15] <uriah> ooooops
[4:15] <uriah> tired
[4:15] <uriah> i2c is needed for csi
[4:15] <uriah> that is
[4:15] <uriah> for the camera
[4:15] <Thorn_> it is? i didnt know that
[4:15] <uriah> yeah
[4:15] <uriah> to tell the camera what to do
[4:16] <uriah> that's what i read in the forums at least
[4:16] <Thorn_> ah
[4:16] <uriah> maybe not
[4:16] <Thorn_> i thought the CSI and DSI interfaces were seperate
[4:16] <uriah> heh 13 gpio is enough for me
[4:17] <uriah> Thorn_: they are
[4:17] <uriah> wait
[4:17] <uriah> what's spi again? :(
[4:17] <uriah> oh
[4:17] <uriah> uart
[4:17] <uriah> no?
[4:17] <uriah> shit dude
[4:17] <Thorn_> SPI is not uart afaik
[4:18] <uriah> i'm all mixed up in my ignorance
[4:18] <uriah> yeah ok
[4:18] <Thorn_> i'm not too clued up either, maybe mdavey can clear things up? :D
[4:18] <uriah> spi is serial port
[4:18] <uriah> so what is uart?
[4:18] <Thorn_> isnt uart for debugging the GPU orso?
[4:19] <uriah> mdavey: please do clear things up for us :-/
[4:19] <uriah> hmmm, no that's jtag
[4:20] <uriah> Thorn_: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8664
[4:21] <Thorn_> cool
[4:21] <uriah> read up :P
[4:23] <Thorn_> from the wiki
[4:23] <Thorn_> The Foundation will not include a GPIO driver in the initial release, standard linux GPIO drivers should work with minimal modification.[12] The Foundation will not include a SPI driver in the initial release, we hope the community might write one.[13] The Foundation will not include an I2C driver in the initial release, we hope the community might provide one, standard linux I2C drivers should work with minimal modification.[14]
[4:23] <Thorn_> "SHOULD" work with minimal modification... :(
[4:23] <Thorn_> i wonder how to get the addresses for the gpio if they wont help...
[4:23] <uriah> if they say so, i believe them
[4:23] <uriah> after all
[4:24] <uriah> 10000 hackers will be messing with their machines
[4:24] <uriah> in a matter of a few weeks
[4:24] <Thorn_> nope
[4:24] <uriah> and then we'll get ours two months later
[4:24] <Thorn_> because i'm going to buy all 10000 boards
[4:24] <uriah> due to the backlog
[4:24] <uriah> lol
[4:24] <uriah> glwt
[4:29] <uriah> anyway
[4:29] <uriah> for now i'm going to get the things i can get
[4:30] <uriah> and i'll work on the other non-pi aspects of my project
[4:30] <uriah> until i actually get the pi
[4:30] <uriah> sound good? :P
[4:30] <Thorn_> so
[4:30] <Thorn_> who intends to buy one of the ten auctioned boards ?
[4:30] <kurt66> they are gonna be too expensive
[4:30] <uriah> heh
[4:30] <Shy> How much you think? :o
[4:30] <uriah> way too expensice
[4:30] <Thorn_> i'm hoping the price will peak around ??100
[4:30] <uriah> like 10000000000000$
[4:31] <kurt66> I think nearer ??500
[4:31] <Thorn_> nah
[4:31] <Thorn_> ok
[4:31] <Thorn_> i bet $5 it wont go above ??150 _max_
[4:31] <kurt66> I'll take that bet :P
[4:31] <Thorn_> paypal? :P
[4:33] <kurt66> yea thats fine, you may as well just pay me now lol
[4:33] <uriah> bah
[4:33] <uriah> i just want one now
[4:33] <kurt66> im just gonna bid one up over 150 to win the bet
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[4:33] <kurt66> is there a date for the auction yet?
[4:33] <Thorn_> lose ??150 to win $5?
[4:33] <Thorn_> hollow victory :D
[4:34] <kurt66> but I do get a pi :P
[4:34] <Thorn_> once i know your paypal, i can pay someone to hijack it, find your credit card information which will say where you live (if your paypal account doesnt have that information) and then i can s teal your pi
[4:34] <Thorn_> (and take my $5 back)
[4:35] <kurt66> damn I never thought of that
[4:36] <Dagger3> insist on payment via Bitcoin then, obviously
[4:37] <Thorn_> they claimed the auction would be the end of the december
[4:37] <Thorn_> not long left
[4:38] <kurt66> cant wait!!!
[4:38] <kurt66> anyone know any good podcasts I need some new feeds!!!
[4:39] <piofcube> SecurityNow via TWIT... I like Steve Gibson.
[4:39] <kurt66> love him :D
[4:42] <uriah> hmm.....
[4:43] <kurt66> best non computing podcast I listen to is naked scientists
[4:43] <Thorn_> kinky
[4:43] <kurt66> they answer random science questions really goosd
[4:48] <Thorn_> 4am, -> nn
[4:48] <kurt66> same Thorn_ have to be up at 7 lol
[5:23] <uriah> gnight
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[8:58] <mdavey> Thorn_: SPI stands for Serial Peripheral Bus. It is a 4-wire serial bus invented by Motorola for IC to IC communications. Its a little like USB and I2C.
[9:02] <mdavey> Thorn_: UART stands for Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter. There is usually a transmit wire, a receive wire and a ground, often also a reverence voltage supply. UART is usually 3v3 or 5v TTL levels and can be thought of as the core building block for implementing a 12v RS232 interface.
[9:02] <RITRedbeard> wonder if the "bootloader" can be configured to look at specfic pins as PS/2 keyboard
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[9:04] <RITRedbeard> guess it will be fun finding out
[9:05] <mdavey> Thorn_: 5v should not be fed into the R.Pi's 3v3 inputs including GPIO. Eben has stated that doing so will drastically reduce the lifetime of that circuitry.
[9:09] <mdavey> Thorn_: There is no /proc interface for GPIO out of the box, but the team expect it will be relatively straightforward for the community to port drivers to R.Pi and get working.
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[9:10] <mdavey> Thorn_: uart gives you the ability to run a serial console, rather than needing to telnet or ssh onto the box. Useful if you have a network configuration problem ;)
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[14:07] <sirspudd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZugwH8HQ6Wk&feature=youtu.be
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[14:49] <nils_2> nice!!
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[16:01] <WASDx> more news articles if anyone is interested http://www.slashgear.com/raspberry-pi-25-usd-computer-coming-in-january-28204830/
[16:02] <WASDx> I doubt it says something that anyone here doesnt know
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[16:02] <Dagger3> "And it???s got that cute raspberry printed on it too!"
[16:03] <Dagger3> "cute"
[16:03] <Dagger3> sorry, but after seeing http://russelldavis.org/Stuff/raspi-inside.jpeg I can't see the logo as anything but terrifying
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[16:08] <ahven> yep :)
[16:08] <WASDx> yeah... the intel inside logos are more appealing
[16:40] <traeak> yuk
[16:45] <Thorn_> mdavey: wow, thanks! :D
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[16:47] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[16:47] <IT_Sean> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning.
[16:47] <Thorn_> o/
[16:48] <IT_Sean> 'ello Thorn_
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[17:05] <ahven> hello
[17:09] <IT_Sean> hey ahven
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[17:18] <wwalker> I'm thinking a better logo would be Tux popping down a Raspberry , like people toss peanuts or popcorn up in the air and eat them
[17:20] <Thorn_> Does anyone know what the alien on the raspberrypi PCB photo is?
[17:20] <IT_Sean> can you use the tux logo like that?
[17:20] <ReggieUK> is there much chance of them changing the logo now?
[17:20] <ReggieUK> as they ran a compo and all that to get the one they've got?
[17:20] <Thorn_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PC236526.jpg beween the raspberrypi logo and the ARM, there's an odd white thing
[17:22] <Thorn_> it doesn't appear to be present on other photos
[17:22] <Thorn_> It's either an alien, or a broadcom employee wiped a bogie on the board
[17:23] <ReggieUK> +1 for snot
[17:23] <wwalker> looks like some one scraped at it for a good ground contact, maybe for testing?
[17:25] <wwalker> eek. I thought that was a joke for the logo.
[17:26] <IT_Sean> us device manufacturers only wipe boogers on boards that are going to people we don't like, actually.
[17:27] <Thorn_> Maybe people will hesitate if they decide to auction that board :D
[17:27] <ReggieUK> puts the price of the board up a bit really
[17:27] <ReggieUK> as you can now clone your own broadcom engineer
[17:28] <Thorn_> heh
[17:28] <IT_Sean> I would totally do that.
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Stick him in the back dorner of the warehouse, and just make him crank out raspis :p
[17:28] <ReggieUK> raspi II ultras !!
[17:29] <IT_Sean> raspi model A: $25. Raspi model B: $35 . Raspi with booger: $384.27
[17:29] * Thorn_ hurls
[17:30] <IT_Sean> The Raspberrypi Model A. You can have it in any color you want, so long as you want black.
[17:30] <IT_Sean> err... green, rather.
[17:30] <IT_Sean> as long as you want green.
[17:34] <wwalker> IT_Sean: I can only afford the B
[17:36] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:37] <IT_Sean> that's what i'm spending (some of) my christmas money on. A raspi B, and a new battery for my laptop.
[17:47] <traeak> !w
[17:47] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Dec 29 10:53:00 2011. Temp 10??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 41%. Later 11??C - 0??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny
[17:47] <Maroni_> Ford Model T was the first affordable automobile, wikipedia says.
[17:47] <IT_Sean> !w secret government warehouse
[17:47] <PiBot> Not found.
[17:48] <traeak> A raspi B woah... what's that mean ?
[17:48] <IT_Sean> :\ figures.
[17:48] <traeak> hehe, only 0948 and within 1C of forecast...today again the forecast will be more historical trending
[17:49] <IT_Sean> what do you mean: "A raspi B woah... what's that mean ?" traeak
[17:50] <IT_Sean> I'm referring to the raspberrypi model B. The one with all the fruit.
[17:50] <IT_Sean> i.e. the ethernet port & more memory.
[17:50] <traeak> so you want one rpi b then, okay
[17:50] <traeak> :-p
[17:50] <IT_Sean> yes... i want Qty. 1 (one) rpi B
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[17:53] <traeak> haven't decided yet...probably get a 'B' initially and if i have time for it, target 'a' for whatever i write
[17:53] <traeak> too bad bootooth stuff is so expensive
[17:54] <IT_Sean> you can get a cheap bluetooth dongle, no?
[17:55] <traeak> yeah
[17:55] <traeak> keyboard/mouse ?
[17:55] <traeak> i guess a game controller isn' too expensive?
[17:55] <IT_Sean> ahh
[17:55] <kurt66> !w nottingham uk
[17:55] <PiBot> kurt66: in Nottingham, Nottingham on Thu Dec 29 16:20:00 2011. Temp 46??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 71%. Later 48??F - 37??F. Condition: Chance of Rain
[17:56] <IT_Sean> USB based RF stuff can be cheaper, if you shop around.
[17:56] <traeak> can i find usb rf taht supports keyboard, mouse and game controller together?
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Dunno about all three... But, keyobard & mouse on the same receiver is no problem
[17:57] <IT_Sean> never seen all three, though
[17:57] <IT_Sean> and on that, i am off... be back after lunch
[17:57] <traeak> yeah
[17:57] <traeak> sad sad
[17:57] <traeak> oh well
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[18:06] <wwalker> traeak: XBee?
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[18:32] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[18:33] <futurity> LOL
[18:33] <futurity> good one
[18:33] <IT_Sean> ?
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[18:40] <futurity> Hi, is there an estimated date for when we can start ordering a board? I noticed the problem with the beta board, so I take it there is a delay on the final boards being manufactured?
[18:41] <IT_Sean> have you read the latest blog posts?
[18:41] <UnderSampled> futurity: there seems to be no delay because of the bug
[18:41] <futurity> I'm also located in Cambridge UK and work as a Linux systems administrator / developer, so if you need an additional tested, I'd be interested in helping out
[18:41] <UnderSampled> futurity: /topic
[18:41] <IT_Sean> they are trying to get them out this month
[18:41] <futurity> UnderSampled: great news. i take it no ETA on when orders can be placed?
[18:41] <WASDx> January
[18:41] <IT_Sean> err... sorry, next month
[18:41] <IT_Sean> (i forgot it's still december)
[18:42] <futurity> Jan, cool
[18:42] <IT_Sean> sorry, sorry. :p
[18:43] <UnderSampled> IT_Sean: you should change the topic a little just to make it more clear that the organization doesn't really visit here
[18:43] <UnderSampled> that we're all just the community
[18:44] <futurity> UnderSampled: thanks for the topic prompt
[18:44] <futurity> no worries, happy to hang out with similar minded unofficial guys
[18:44] <IT_Sean> UnderSampled: Why would you think i have anything to do with the topic?
[18:45] <UnderSampled> IT_Sean: same reason people think you work on the project
[18:45] <IT_Sean> what reason is that?
[18:45] <UnderSampled> well, my main reason was the dipped bacon comment on it
[18:45] <UnderSampled> IT_Sean: I guess i'll have to wait for ukscone?
[18:46] <IT_Sean> I suppose.
[18:46] <IT_Sean> I am not in any way affiliated with the reaspberrypi org
[18:46] <IT_Sean> *raspberrypi
[18:46] <IT_Sean> nor do i have any authority over the channel
[18:46] <IT_Sean> I am just a lowly user, awaiting the release date
[18:47] <futurity> Totally understand that
[18:47] <futurity> I've used IRC for a while, which is why I assumed that people from RaspberryPi may hang out here
[18:47] <IT_Sean> They do not
[18:48] <IT_Sean> At least, not officially.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> if there is someone here from The Org, they do not make it well known.
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[18:56] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[18:57] <IT_Sean> 'ello ukscone
[18:57] <ukscone> hi IT_Sean
[19:00] <IT_Sean> 4 day weekend this weekend :D
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[19:09] <UnderSampled|and> ukscone: I think you should add something ro the topic that tells people that we are only the community
[19:09] <ukscone> UnderSampled|and: there is if ppl would read
[19:10] <IT_Sean> it DOES say "unofficial"
[19:10] <UnderSampled|and> I realize that you say it's unofficial, but it doesn't seem to work
[19:10] <UnderSampled|and> I was thinking just saying that the organization hardly ever visits
[19:11] <UnderSampled|and> Or that the people here are only the community
[19:12] <ukscone> UnderSampled|and: nothing else will fit in the topic and well if ppl don't bother reading the topic adding stuff to it why bother
[19:12] <IT_Sean> if you idiot proof it, we'll only attract bigger idiots
[19:13] <UnderSampled|and> Well, you don't have to have the thing about spreadsheets
[19:14] <IT_Sean> piss off ;p
[19:14] <ukscone> the only thing that might possibly make it clearer is the removal of currently but as i said noone reads the topic anyway and also when they want it the foundation can take it over so then it would be official
[19:15] <UnderSampled|and> Well, it doesn't matter too much
[19:15] <UnderSampled|and> Just a thought
[19:15] <Dagger3> you could change the 'currently "unofficial"' to just a bold Unofficial
[19:16] <Thorn_> or we could just get Liz to bless it
[19:16] <Thorn_> then its official
[19:16] <Dagger3> the "currently" implies we're on track to be non-unofficial at some point... and I don't know what the quotes are doing around unofficial
[19:16] <ukscone> Dagger3: not all irc clients bother with bold, italics etc.
[19:17] <Dagger3> no, but most do
[19:17] <ukscone> Dagger3: we are currently unofficial as the foundation may take it over when the educational release occurs
[19:17] <Dagger3> and people who have explicitly configured their client to strip color codes are not the kind of people that come in here and get confused
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[19:17] <ukscone> this channel was created to "protect" the channel name frommtrolls et al
[19:17] <IT_Sean> i vote we just leave it alone
[19:17] <IT_Sean> take all the warning labels off of life and let the problem sort itself out
[19:18] <ukscone> Dagger3: my client doesn't do colors or bold etc. so what i say goes
[19:18] <ukscone> :)
[19:19] <ukscone> and actually i don't think we should be using irc anyway but using muc does seem to keep more ppl out than is good
[19:20] <ukscone> e.g. i am the only one in the muc :)
[19:20] <IT_Sean> IRC FTW!!!!
[19:20] <AndroUser> What is muc?
[19:20] <ukscone> IT_Sean: irc sucks and i am really sorry to you all
[19:21] <ukscone> if i hadn't taught piper how to use unix and progrm in C it would have died a death before it was born
[19:21] <IT_Sean> I rather like IRC.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> so... :p on you
[19:22] <ukscone> AndroUser: part of the ietf xmpp standard
[19:22] <ukscone> IT_Sean: i always did think there was something wrong with you -- noone in their right mind likes irc
[19:22] <Dagger3> we could all migrate to the forum, if you'd prefer _that_...
[19:23] <ukscone> Dagger3: no i prefer to use a proper open standard designed for the purpose it is used for. irc was a bolt on hack on an existing system that was deisgned for a different networking protocol
[19:24] <IT_Sean> I belong to several active IRC channels, and i have IRC clients for all of my devices, including my iPad (which i am on right now, in fact).
[19:24] * IT_Sean throws an empty Coke bottle at ukscone
[19:24] <ukscone> IT_Sean: but well you just described the problem -- apple users eeerrrggghhhhh
[19:24] <IT_Sean> stuff it
[19:25] <ukscone> the turkey?
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[19:25] <ukscone> 1 doen 73 to go
[19:25] <ukscone> 1 down even :)
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[19:25] <ukscone> i'll let the bots stay
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[19:51] <ReggieUK> I like the channel topic as is, if they cba to read then they're fair game.....
[19:52] * IT_Sean looks at the pile of devices he still has to reflash and sighs
[19:52] <IT_Sean> 39 to go, out of ~320 total.
[19:54] <IT_Sean> any my back is kiiiillling me
[19:54] <futurity> IT_Sean: you flashing Raspberry Pi boards, or other variations of single chip computers?
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> not raspi's
[19:56] <IT_Sean> i'm flashing new firmware to some encrypted networking equipment
[19:58] <Cheery> quick question. when can I buy one?
[20:02] <Thorn_> when they come out
[20:02] <futurity> IT_Sean: Ciscos? had lots of fun having to flash those every few months
[20:03] <IT_Sean> nopwe. Not cisco
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> It's an encrypted out of band management box. That's all i'm saying, as i work for the company that manufacturers it
[20:13] * Dagger3 wonders how much that encrypted out of band management box costs compared to an RPi + copy of openssh + usb-serial port adaptor
[20:16] <IT_Sean> quoite a bit more
[20:17] <IT_Sean> *quite
[20:17] <IT_Sean> But, it has got encryption, and muliple serial ports
[20:17] <IT_Sean> as well as the option of analog telco / cellular connectivity
[20:20] <Dagger3> still easy to do... pretty much just hook up more usb-serial adapators and a 3g dongle
[20:20] <Dagger3> tunnel everything over ssh for the encryption bit
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[20:21] <IT_Sean> you still don't have hardware based 256 bit encryption, and your solution isn't really tamperproof
[20:21] <IT_Sean> you need a way to stop someone physically extracing the encryption keys
[20:22] <IT_Sean> i do like your solution, but, it'd never sell to the sorts of people who buy these boxes
[20:23] <Dagger3> one of those ssh-compatible hardware encryption dongles would sort that
[20:23] <Dagger3> of course it wouldn't
[20:24] <IT_Sean> I never claimed that ours was the ONLY solution
[20:25] <Dagger3> I think for the most part anybody with a system they need to manage via serial probably has the ability to set the above RPi version up themselves, and thus you'll only ever see the idiots who can't :p
[20:26] <Dagger3> I was primarily just making a point of stupidly-overpriced hardware like that (and I am assuming your box is stupidly overpriced, as opposed to just expensive... because all such things are</generalization>)
[20:28] <IT_Sean> i wouldn't call it stupidly overpriced.
[20:28] <IT_Sean> It is expensive, but... not stupidly so.
[20:34] <azalyn> all of that 'enterprise' crap is expensive. and strangely enough, the large corporations won't buy it if it *isnt* overpriced.
[20:34] <azalyn> you could have a better product, and they'll assume it's crap if it's less expensive.
[20:35] <azalyn> that's just how business seems to work.
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[22:25] <paulmcmn> very impressed with the youtube vids
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[22:51] <nsaquatics> afternoon!... Is there a linux install like what will be on the PI that we can install in a virtual machine so I can test if it's compatible with the phigets drivers?
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[23:58] <paulmcmn> nsaquatics: good question - can anyonehelp?

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