#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-02

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[0:14] <wannes> impressive the ebay auctions!
[0:14] <wannes> I'm really waiting for the official start of the sale
[0:15] <WASDx> yesss
[0:15] <WASDx> want want want
[0:15] <WASDx> been waiting for months
[0:15] <wannes> you bet :)
[0:16] <wannes> I want an extremely low power computer and the pi is perfect for that!
[0:16] <wannes> running my HP Proliant server rack costs me too much money :)
[0:17] <WASDx> I'll but a webserver on it. Already bought a domain name for $1 for a year :D
[0:17] <WASDx> put*
[0:17] <WASDx> or as some pople say, s/but/put/g
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[0:18] <wannes> yeah that's what I have in mind as well. A 24/7 machine that doesn't cost me 2000euro a year to keep running.
[0:18] <wannes> and something special :)
[0:22] <wwalker> wow 1341 GBP!
[0:22] <WASDx> should have been 1337 imo
[0:22] <wannes> yeah crazy isn't it? :)
[0:22] <wannes> I'd love to support them but that's just too much for me :)
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[1:07] <Jester86> hello
[1:08] <Jester86> any idea how soon sales will open up. I'm involved in the reprap project and would like to design a printable enclosure for one
[1:08] <WASDx> they are kind of opened up
[1:08] <Jester86> specifically a printable enclosure that can be mounted to the back of a tv
[1:09] <WASDx> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180786734741
[1:09] <Jester86> assuming the hardware could work to run mythtv frontend
[1:09] <Jester86> yeah I know I was just on the homepage looking at everything
[1:09] <WASDx> onlu ??1361
[1:09] <WASDx> :D
[1:09] <Jester86> lol
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[1:10] <Jester86> I have also considered coming up with an enclosure to mount the pi straight to the frame of a printer
[1:10] <Jester86> that way the entire pc can be configured for reprap and only used for reprap..
[1:10] <Jester86> no risk of bricking an install the having to jump in via live to try to extract your conf files
[1:10] <WASDx> It would be cool to put the RPi into anything
[1:11] <Jester86> yeah...
[1:11] <WASDx> like in a printer, Then you connect keyboard and monitor to printer :D
[1:11] <Jester86> lol what would you gain with that? lol
[1:11] <WASDx> just a cool idea :P
[1:11] <WASDx> computer-in-printer
[1:11] <Jester86> i think it'd be handy for any CNC device whether 3D printer, router table or lathe/mill
[1:12] <Jester86> ohh i see what you're saying lol
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[1:12] <kabby> sup people
[1:12] <Jester86> not much.. just trying to figure out when regular sales will open up
[1:13] <ReggieUK> august
[1:13] <kabby> I think sometime in feb
[1:13] <Jester86> or at least if i can get a 3d model of the board to build an enclosure around
[1:14] <Jester86> so many ppl in the reprap project have repraps and dont do much more than print stupid trinkets lol
[1:14] <Jester86> i use it for designing and printing tools
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[1:18] <mdavey> #7 is up: ??460
[1:20] <mdavey> Ooh, email from Eben, too!
[1:20] <WASDx> wow
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[1:25] <Thorn_> on the mailing list? i got no email :(
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[1:31] <Jester86> anyone know what the ideal wavelength in the UV spectrum is for photo resist etching?
[1:31] <ReggieUK> google?
[1:31] <Jester86> ReggieUK, then i assume the answer to my question is no.. no one knows
[1:32] <Jester86> and you call yourselves nerds.. lol
[1:32] <piofcube> 200nm give or take 100ish
[1:32] <xlq> Jester86: I think it depends on the particular photoresist.
[1:32] <ReggieUK> preeeety sure we don't call ourselves nerds
[1:33] <Jester86> piofcube, you sure about that.. most UV wavelength LEDs i've seen are in the high 390s to low 400s
[1:33] <ReggieUK> Absorption at UV and shorter wavelengths
[1:33] <ReggieUK> Photoresists are most commonly used at wavelengths in the ultraviolet spectrum or shorter (<400 nm).
[1:34] <ReggieUK> but if you already know the answer, why do you need to ask?
[1:34] <piofcube> UV is between 10 and 400nm
[1:34] <Jester86> piofcube, yeah.. i'm just curious what UV leds i should be buying.. want to make a hood for etching
[1:34] <Jester86> and most of these lots im finding are 100+ leds so i'd like to get the right wavelength lol
[1:35] <piofcube> I've never tried using LEDs for UV exposure boxes for pre-etching
[1:36] <Jester86> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lithography_Wavelength_vs_Resolution.PNG
[1:36] <Jester86> interesting find..
[1:38] <piofcube> The tech specs on the photo etch boards I have don't state the wavelength just says they assume flory-tubes with a total of 100w output...
[1:39] <Jester86> hmm
[1:39] <Jester86> so maybe for actual etching i should stick with something more traditional than UV LEDs
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[1:40] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[1:41] <piofcube> Maybe... If you can get hold of any that's not too expensive or you can build your own...
[1:42] <piofcube> Single sided units are about ??290 which I think are a bit much for what they are
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[1:45] <piofcube> I'm going to give the iron on transfers a go with the mini etching kits... Should be interesting to see the results LOL
[1:45] <Jester86> haha
[1:45] <Jester86> i've hard after doing photoresist you hate doing toner transfer
[1:46] <piofcube> Yeah... UV is much better but I'm starting off from the cheapest/most basic for the tutorial videos
[1:47] <Jester86> ohh
[1:47] <Jester86> your videos?
[1:47] <Jester86> if so.. have a link?
[1:47] <Jester86> want to see how everyone is doing stuff b4 i get started
[1:47] <piofcube> We used to joke about taking the PCBs down to the health spa and using the sunbeds to get the UV exposure for free ;-)
[1:47] <Jester86> haha
[1:48] <Jester86> that thought had crossed my mind
[1:48] <Jester86> that or getting that UV spotlight from blade 2
[1:48] <Jester86> lol
[1:48] <piofcube> PiOfCube on Youtube
[1:51] <xlq> Toner transfer failed miserably for me.
[1:51] <piofcube> Did you use the paper and water method or the transfer sheets?
[1:53] <xlq> Water? Just paper.
[1:53] <xlq> Perhaps water would've helped :P
[1:54] <Jester86> I think i'm gong to build a gamma spectrometer
[1:55] <piofcube> You going prospecting in space? ;-)
[1:55] <Jester86> hey.. its good to have a fall back career right ;)
[1:55] <piofcube> LOL
[1:56] <Jester86> i do need to start building something else .. i have (4) unused arduino 2650s
[1:56] <Jester86> and 1 1280
[1:56] <piofcube> Yeah, the idea for the toner transfer with water is you iron the paper onto the board and wet the paper, remove it but leave the toner... messy as hell to do
[1:56] <Jester86> lol
[1:57] <Jester86> note you do leave the PCB with paper in water for a while to soften it up..
[1:57] <Jester86> i still question how well that would work tho
[1:57] <piofcube> I remember an old "tomorrows world" episode where they had a printer that could print PCBs directly onto un-coppered boards... I wonder if that ever worked LOL
[1:58] <Jester86> i like the idea of photoresist bc you can repair/modify the circuit b4 burning to pcb
[1:58] <Jester86> piofcube, there are ppl in the reprap world doing or at least trying to do that currently
[1:59] <piofcube> I wonder what the impedence of the "copper" tracks would be.
[1:59] <Jester86> piofcube, i found one using a sharpie to draw the circuitry..
[1:59] <Jester86> i have no idea
[2:00] <Jester86> but i think i may do the sharpie thing with my printer lol
[2:00] <piofcube> Get an old plotter and replace the pens with etch resist ink
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[2:00] <Jester86> all i'd have to do is design a bracket to hold the pen and bore a couple mounting holes on my x-carriage
[2:01] <Jester86> piofcube, you mean a flatbed plotter?
[2:02] <piofcube> Yeah... the really old ones
[2:02] <Jester86> i duno where you'd even find one anymore
[2:02] <Jester86> i can design and print a sharpie bracket in minutes..
[2:03] <Jester86> I may just design another x-carriage that already has it integral
[2:03] <Jester86> i'm sure the reprap world would appreciate such a thing
[2:04] <piofcube> Just searched on ebay and no flatbed plotters at all apparently
[2:05] <Jester86> yeah me 2
[2:05] <Jester86> can you use sharpie directly on top of photo resist?
[2:07] <Jester86> or even better.. could we put photo resist into some form of applicator?
[2:07] <Jester86> something like a roller pen
[2:08] <piofcube> This might be a stupid question but can you get UV resist sharpies? I know there's etch resist of course... but UV?
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[2:08] <Jester86> well some ppl use standard black sharpies to touch up the transparency for photoresist etching
[2:09] <Jester86> so.. i'd assume the black inc absorbs enough of the energy to be effective
[2:09] <piofcube> Yeah :)
[2:09] <Jester86> what do you mean by theres etch resist sharpies?
[2:10] <piofcube> I know that normal sharpies ink can deteriorate after a few goes through the UV box
[2:11] <piofcube> I know Staedtler do them... I thought sharpies also did
[2:11] <piofcube> etch resist I mean
[2:12] <Jester86> wait what.. i'm confused what you mean by uv resist vs etch resist
[2:12] <Jester86> UV resist I'm assuming you mean for photoresist etching
[2:12] <Jester86> and etch resist you mean for resisting the chemical ..
[2:12] <piofcube> UV for drawing and putting through the UV box... Etch resist to draw onto the board and etch
[2:13] <Jester86> yeah got ya..
[2:13] <Jester86> but i would think if it were etch resist it would also work for UV resist lol
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[2:14] <piofcube> LOL... but you can have translucent pigments that resist Ferric chloride :)
[2:15] <Jester86> lol
[2:15] <Jester86> hmm
[2:15] <Jester86> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-tyCXlwt70
[2:16] <Jester86> not quite the same etching but... principles should apply
[2:16] <Jester86> i'm thinking fine tipped paint marker..
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[2:18] <piofcube> NIce to see she colour co-ordinated with the nail varnish j/k ;-)
[2:18] <Jester86> ahhahahaa
[2:19] <Jester86> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RjmI5pe7N4
[2:19] <piofcube> I would have used a finer tip than that
[2:19] <Jester86> i have never seen a rig using an air pump to blow O2 into the acid..
[2:22] <Jester86> brb
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> so... who's after the ebay pi?
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought "surely, nobody is going to pay over $100 for something they can buy for $35 in a few months. So, I'll bid $100" checked the listing and it's over a thousand pounds.... O_o
[2:23] <piofcube> Yeah and they're the faulty ones also... ;-)
[2:24] <ReggieUK> they're not faulty, they got a wire fix
[2:24] <piofcube> Okay... they were once faulty but now they're reborn ;-)
[2:24] <ReggieUK> debugged
[2:25] <ReggieUK> I guess that's why they're beta boards :)
[2:25] <piofcube> had their undocumented features removed
[2:31] <Jester86> undocumented features?
[2:31] <piofcube> debugged ;-
[2:31] <Jester86> thats what i assumed..
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[2:35] <Jester86> piofcube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI_PB-JBcZU&feature=fvwp&NR=1
[2:35] <Jester86> 1:45
[2:35] <Jester86> he's using sharpie as acid etch resist
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[2:41] <piofcube> I really need to replace my cameras... I'm getting a little annoyed with them. Sound drops out after a while on most videos I record now. Anyone with good suggestions?
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[5:24] <LiENUS> so whats the expected timeframe on the production raspberrypi?
[5:36] <Dagger3> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/sales-date
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[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> we need an auto-reply bot for this sort of thing I think... probably the most common question on here
[5:59] <Dagger3> meh, now that there's actually a forum thread to link to it's a bit less annoying
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, from my experience, using a generic permanent marker to etch using hydrochloric acid and hydrogen peroxide doesn't work too well... it just gets eaten away. Print on glossy photo paper using the best settings your printer has, transfer using an iron and a rolling pin, then soak in water until the paper either floats off or peels of easily. That works pretty well.
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe a sharpie is actually better than a generic marker though, I dunno.
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> can't go with UV though.. really quick and easy.
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[7:47] <Jester86> hey is anyone active
[7:48] <Jester86> i'm looking to buy carbide bits to use in PCB work.. i'm curious what drill bit sizes i should be interested in
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[8:21] <wwalker> Jester86: I'd try #electronics
[8:22] <rethaw> holy canoli those auctions are up there!
[8:43] <ahven> I would be happy to see the real devices on sale ;)
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[9:11] <ahven> so #8 is "only" 500 pounds :)
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[11:45] <wannes> Price has gone up to 1750?? on ebay :)
[11:45] <wannes> incredible
[11:51] <mdavey> yea :D
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[11:54] <mdavey> I really hope #1 breaks the ??5000 mark and the others break the ??1000 mark. But it will introduce a new problem for the Foundation.
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[11:56] <nperry> A new problem?
[12:01] <mdavey> With only 10k boards available in February and limited to one per person, people might be tempted to buy from the foundation for $35 and then flog on ebay for more. Its simple supply and demand economics. To avoid this, the Foundation could reserve some of the 10k batch for auctioning themselves, and continue auctioning from the reserve until ebay units are fetching close to the store price.
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[12:03] <ahven> quite possible
[12:03] <mdavey> Production boards are going to be less appealing than beta boards from that sense, but I could still imagine early production boards going for 10x cost.
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[12:04] <wannes> Damn I didn't know about the limitation of 1 board per person ... I was going to buy four or so ...
[12:04] <ahven> in the start
[12:04] <wannes> ah ok.
[12:04] <ahven> they are going to lift that after the big rush
[12:04] <mdavey> The limitation will be just until the initial demand has died down and they have primed their production pipeline.
[12:05] <mdavey> yea
[12:05] <wannes> and there WILL be a big rush :)
[12:05] <mdavey> yea :D
[12:05] <ahven> still, that amount per world, even with 1 per person, quite small amount
[12:05] <wannes> it's weird no one ever tried this before, I mean 25$ that's nothing.
[12:06] <mdavey> Like a lot of good ideas, there is a certain time element to it.
[12:06] <wannes> yeah might be ..
[12:07] <mdavey> In a couple of the videos, Eben talks about how they've been trying to do this for the last 6-8 years. 6 years ago, the choice of devices on the market wasn't right for the diea.
[12:07] <mdavey> s/diea/idea/
[12:08] <wannes> it's a shame.
[12:08] <wannes> well now we have it :
[12:08] <mdavey> Mobile 'phone ICs weren't powerful enough, were too expensive and didn't have TV connectivity.
[12:08] <ahven> and if there weren't Broadcom, there wouldn't be such price
[12:08] <mdavey> Eben played about with microcontrollers and FPGAs, but they weren't the ideal platofrm for teaching.
[12:09] <wannes> mkdavey: why?
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[12:10] <mdavey> And actually, it took Eben being in the right place (his team at Broadcom) at the right time, to get the various pieces of the jigsaw lined up. I think if Eben wasn't working inside an ARM licensee, it probably wouldn't have happened even now.
[12:10] <ahven> mdavey: yep, that too
[12:11] <mdavey> ideal platform: too low-level, really - required far too much code to be written. One of the advantages of the current ARM+GPU approach is that there is broad Linuix support for these devices - e them Broadcom or one of their competitors.
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[12:12] <wannes> oh I see
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[12:12] <wannes> I'm really wondering when exactly they go live ...
[12:13] <wannes> I (really really) want one :)
[12:13] <ahven> when they are ready :)
[12:13] <wannes> oh that narrows down the window :)
[12:13] <mdavey> Eben was a key influencer in Broadcom putting a low cost ARM core into the Videocore GPU. It was originally conceived as a standalone GPU I believe.
[12:14] <mdavey> wannes: Probably early February for the first batch. Possibly end of January if all goes well.
[12:14] <wannes> I hope so
[12:14] <ahven> but the amount of worked done for charity is immence, mainly broadcom employees
[12:15] <ahven> pcb design, for example
[12:15] <ahven> it would be interested to know the price for doing this project without any inside connections
[12:16] <ahven> interesting*
[12:16] <wannes> Yeah, I remember buying a nano ITX board from Via which was 250euro at the time...
[12:16] <wannes> if you take a look at pico itx and stuff like that.
[12:16] <wannes> I wonder where the differences are on a hardware level.
[12:16] <ahven> ARM is a little different thing
[12:17] <wannes> other arch
[12:17] <mdavey> some of the PCB design was also done by Pete Lomas of Norcott. Pete is one of the trustees and his company is closely involved in the manufacture, especially test and verification.
[12:17] <ahven> and only one error with the first batch, quality work, I must say :)
[12:18] <ahven> (atleast we know of only one)
[12:18] <mdavey> ahven: depends what you mean by inside connections. Some of Eben's firends have donated considerable time and expertise to the project. Some of those friends are Broadcom employees, some are not. Those that are haven't used company time to help on the project - only their own time.
[12:20] <mdavey> regarding supplies, Broadcom has been treated the same as the other suppliers: The Foundation asked them to sell products to the charity at their standard book price for 1M units, even though the charity was ordering only 10K.
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[12:22] <mdavey> ahven: but, yes, you are correct in your implicit question. The reason the charity can achieve $25 is precisely because they are a charity and don't have the same R&D costs that they would have incurred if they attepted to do this as a for-profit business.
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[12:25] <mdavey> To give you an idea, Texas Instruments recons that they sell the beagleboard at a loss. That retails for $125 via distributors and their on-paper BOM cost is probably not wildly different to the on-paper BOM cost for the model B Raspberry Pi.
[12:26] <mdavey> (BOM is the list of components needed to build the product. It stands for Build of Materials)
[12:36] <mdavey> Also worth noting that small production runs such as creating the beta boards costs many times more per unit than large production runs. 100x more isn't uncommon.
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[13:36] <WASDx> ??1750 for boeard #10 now
[13:36] <WASDx> s/boeard/board/
[13:46] <fozanon> great publicity!
[13:48] <xlq> A ??22 board selling for ??1750? Yeah, great publicity :D
[13:55] <nperry> mdavey: BOM is Bill of Materials, rather then build?
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[15:35] <mdavey> nperry: yes. As in list.
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[15:36] <mdavey> nperry: oh, I see what you mean. Yes, you are correct, I meant bill.
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[21:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
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[21:17] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[21:38] <ahven> hello
[21:41] <IT_Sean> hello
[21:42] <ahven> and they keep rising and rising
[21:42] <IT_Sean> ?
[21:42] <Jarii> :D
[21:44] <ahven> ebay prices :)
[21:45] <ahven> you silly :P
[21:46] <Faperdaper> hehe we're already at ??1800
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> eek!
[21:49] <IT_Sean> that's massive!
[21:49] <IT_Sean> That's nearing cheap secondhand car money!
[21:50] <Thorn_> dude
[21:51] <Thorn_> you could buy a shiny hayabusa with that
[21:51] <Thorn_> with < 20k miles on the clock
[21:51] <Thorn_> 2k and you can get it unrestricted to 230mph
[21:53] <IT_Sean> but i wouldn't.
[21:53] <IT_Sean> Vehicles are meant to have 4 wheels. :p
[21:53] <Thorn_> no
[21:53] <Thorn_> you have no freedom in a car
[21:54] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[21:58] <xlq> It's approaching second-hand aircraft money.
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[22:12] <mightygoose> hello?
[22:12] <WASDx> hello
[22:12] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> 'ello mightymoose
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[22:13] <mightygoose> i am trying to research interfacing Raspi with a LCD + touch screen from a smart phone...
[22:14] <Thorn_> there's a cheaper alternative to that
[22:14] <Thorn_> buy a tablet :D
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[22:14] * Thorn_ ducks
[22:14] * WASDx geese
[22:14] <xlq> Mmm, paracetamol.
[22:14] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:14] <mightygoose> on the wiki there is a reference to N900 + N8 displays... i was thinking more of using some old HTC G7 parts
[22:14] <xlq> I bought a tablet...
[22:15] <WASDx> ??1850 now
[22:15] <mightygoose> heh still five days left
[22:15] * IT_Sean checks autotrader to see what he could get for ??1850
[22:16] <WASDx> board #6 and #5 should be up soon i guess
[22:16] <WASDx> oh right, timezones
[22:17] <IT_Sean> Who in their right mind is bidding that much on a raspi board?
[22:17] <WASDx> rich people
[22:17] <IT_Sean> bastards.
[22:18] <Jarii> haha
[22:18] <IT_Sean> When i saw the auction was up, yesterday, i thoguht "what the hell, i'll bid a fiver on one!" ... yeah... no.
[22:19] <WASDx> will the SD card stick out as much as they do on the beta boards?
[22:19] <IT_Sean> Since they aren;t moving the SD slot on production boards... yes.
[22:20] <xlq> WASDx: The cradle thingy won't. They used a larger cradle thingy because they had trouble getting the smaller ones that would fit flush with the edge of the board, for the beta version.
[22:20] <WASDx> yeah i heard that on the video
[22:20] <wwalker> Rich people that are supporting the Raspberry Pi organization
[22:20] <WASDx> but the card itself will
[22:20] <IT_Sean> wwalker: Oh... well... that's okay then
[22:20] <mightygoose> why are they using Full SD cards as opposed to micro SD?
[22:21] <wwalker> IT_Sean: one of the best places they can spend their ill gotten gains.
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Agreed.
[22:21] <xlq> mightygoose: They've explained that already. IIRC because they're more widely available, and you can use an adapter if you really want to use the smaller ones anyway.
[22:21] <WASDx> Or this one http://www.inglue.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mmc-card.jpg
[22:21] <WASDx> It says MMC but looks like SD
[22:22] <WASDx> can be taken apart in hafl
[22:22] <wwalker> If it was an American registered charitable organization, I would have bought (tried to) one for my business ( I think I couldn've talked my business partner into it).
[22:23] <wwalker> half of the cost would have been recouped in taxes.
[22:23] <mightygoose> @xlq thanks
[22:23] <WASDx> I'm wondering about taxes and VAT and whatever it's called
[22:23] <WASDx> the $25 is without any of those right?
[22:23] <mightygoose> $25 is single USB port no ethernet 128 ram
[22:24] <WASDx> i know
[22:24] <WASDx> $35 then
[22:24] <xlq> mightygoose: I might have misremembered though.
[22:24] <mightygoose> $35 is double USB ethernet and 256mb
[22:24] <wwalker> as I understand it there is no tax on the item in the US, just shipping. and who knows how long it'll sit in customs :-(
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[23:01] <Jarii> new one! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-06-limited-series-10-/180786865908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a17bca6f4
[23:01] <WASDx> at an acceptable price
[23:01] <ChrisLenz> ...for now
[23:01] <Jarii> :D
[23:02] <WASDx> does anyone know how much the SD card sticks out at the bottom?
[23:02] <IT_Sean> about this much. [indicates with fingers]
[23:02] <Jarii> haha
[23:03] <WASDx> thanks
[23:03] <IT_Sean> Glad to be of service
[23:03] <IT_Sean> .
[23:03] <WASDx> I will build a chassi once i get my hand on an RPi
[23:04] <WASDx> the new boards is at ??100 already
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[23:04] <WASDx> 150
[23:04] <merlin1991> omfg #10 is at 1850 already
[23:04] <WASDx> #10 isnt very special
[23:05] <WASDx> and people who bid certainly are aware of #9
[23:05] <merlin1991> If I only had some money
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[23:05] <Jarii> ?310.00
[23:05] <Jarii> !
[23:05] <DaQatz> I'm await for $25 and $35 versions ;)
[23:06] <WASDx> Jarii, 370 :/
[23:06] <Jarii> :D
[23:06] <Jarii> I was going to put ?50 :D
[23:06] <Jarii> 370? 410!
[23:06] <WASDx> yep...
[23:07] * IT_Sean bids ??175000 (not really)
[23:07] <WASDx> might as well buy an ordinary computer for that price
[23:08] <WASDx> all boards have the same picture, they are tricking us!
[23:08] <merlin1991> ordinary pc for 175000? what can it do, fly to the moon?
[23:08] <WASDx> I ment 410
[23:08] <IT_Sean> merlin1991... it wipes your arse for you
[23:08] <merlin1991> I need one
[23:08] <IT_Sean> It's a bargin at just ??175000
[23:09] <WASDx> it stoped rising now
[23:09] <WASDx> 450
[23:09] <merlin1991> ebay should have some graph for value over time
[23:09] <merlin1991> would be interesting to check what happens to the pis
[23:10] <WASDx> I can imagine how it would look
[23:11] <WASDx> like so http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graph+arctan%28x%29+from+0+to+100
[23:11] <merlin1991> hm where does one apply the power to the pi again?
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[23:11] <merlin1991> WASDx: you need to add it inverted to the end for the final prize rush in the last 30 secs of the auction
[23:12] <WASDx> maybe
[23:12] <WASDx> not that good at math
[23:12] <WASDx> it gets power from micro usb
[23:13] <merlin1991> hm that would be the plug in the middle on the lower side of the board (ebay pic) ?
[23:14] <WASDx> yes bottom left on that picture
[23:14] <WASDx> I know there are a picture somewhere with the power plugged in
[23:14] <merlin1991> oh bottom lest /me wonders what bottom middle is then, regular usb-a?
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[23:15] <WASDx> hdmi
[23:15] * merlin1991 headdesks
[23:15] <mdavey> WASDx: would also be interesting to superimpose on the graph the number of hits and watchers - what is the optimum duration of an auction?
[23:15] <WASDx> here the pow ris plugged in http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/L1030067.jpg
[23:16] <merlin1991> it's kinda obvious that bottom middle is NOT usb, there are way too muich connectors to the board
[23:16] <WASDx> and here is what everythin is http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Raspi-Model-AB-Mono-1.png
[23:16] <mdavey> bottom middle of that photo is hdmi
[23:17] <merlin1991> didn't they say at some point that the gpio headers won't be connected?
[23:17] <mdavey> someone on the blog asked if the one with the red wire is going to be auctioned - an excellent q I thought.
[23:18] <mdavey> merlin1991: on production they won't be. These are ten from the batch of 100 beta boards.
[23:18] <merlin1991> I lack the skills and equipment to connect the gpio and/or jtag ports :/
[23:19] <merlin1991> so it's going to be everyhting over usb for me, yay
[23:19] <merlin1991> though I guess one can't add too much to the usb port because the micrusb port used to power can't supply that much energy
[23:20] <merlin1991> (at least according to usb specs as far as I can remember)
[23:22] <duckinator> merlin1991: you could use a powered USB hub, if your designs permit
[23:23] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[23:24] <merlin1991> it's just that if you get a cheap powered usb hub you end up with loads of wasted space
[23:24] <merlin1991> unless ofc you get rid of its casing and incorporate it into your own case
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[23:26] <merlin1991> but also the waste of 2 ac/dc adapters is a shame
[23:26] <IT_Sean> rip it's case off, intigrate it into the same case as the raspi, and run both off the same power supply?
[23:27] <merlin1991> sometimes I just think too complicated :D
[23:27] <merlin1991> but yea why not use the same power supply :P
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[23:37] <IT_Sean> I would
[23:37] <IT_Sean> In fact, i plan to.
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[23:47] <WASDx> It would be cool to buy 10 RPis and put them in a regular chassi :D and have them work as a cluster
[23:49] * IT_Sean is planning on putting his raspi into a fancy, yet easy openable for tinkering, wooden case.
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[23:50] <WASDx> my case design http://i.imgur.com/etssC.jpg
[23:50] <WASDx> wooden
[23:50] <WASDx> also has hard plastic roof
[23:51] <WASDx> excuse the blender skills
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