#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:02] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56db.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:05] * IT_Sean sighs
[0:05] * IT_Sean ordered his replacement laptop battery from a reputable-looking american company to try to avoid getting a cheap chinese knockoff
[0:05] * IT_Sean got a cheap chinese knockoff
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[0:26] <vvvfjjuoghg> IT_Sean: what kind of laptop?
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[0:29] <IT_Sean> vvvfjjuoghg G4 PowerBook. 17 inch.
[0:29] <IT_Sean> Running Linux
[0:30] <vvvfjjuoghg> Wht distro?
[0:30] <IT_Sean> Ubuntu 10 PPC
[0:31] <vvvfjjuoghg> I could never have a powerpc machine :/
[0:31] <IT_Sean> It's mainly used for office tasks, and as a portable serial terminal these days.
[0:31] <traeak> ive noticed on dealextreme they seem to be selling these 1080p hdmi/vga players for less than 2x the rpi's price
[0:31] <traeak> just wondering what soc, etc those guys might be using
[0:31] <vvvfjjuoghg> IT_Sean: Aha.
[0:31] <IT_Sean> and ofr a $30 battery, if i can get a nother couple of years out of it, i'll buy myself something nicer :p
[0:31] <IT_Sean> *for
[0:32] <traeak> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1080p-hd-media-player-with-vga-ypbpr-hdmi-av-dual-usb-sd-black-109923
[0:34] <IT_Sean> traeak, what about it?
[0:34] <IT_Sean> ooh! dinner!
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[0:40] <vvvfjjuoghg> traeak: some chinese soc more than llikely
[0:40] <traeak> just wondering how it compares to the rpi is all, or if its hackable, etc
[0:42] <vvvfjjuoghg> traeak: Everything is hackable given the proper resources.
[0:42] <traeak> vvvfjjuoghg: wans
[0:43] <traeak> wwalker: not asking theoretically :-p
[0:43] <vvvfjjuoghg> I think theres something on /r/raspberry_pi talking about one of the chinese media players.
[0:43] <traeak> reddit ?
[0:43] <vvvfjjuoghg> yep
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[1:07] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
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[3:38] <Jarred> hi all
[3:38] <Jarred> Am I going to be able to use a Raspberry pi in place of an Arduino?
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[3:42] <vvvfjjuoghg> Jarred: It depends.
[3:43] <vvvfjjuoghg> What are you using arduino for now?
[3:46] <vvvfjjuoghg> The R-pi has fewer GPIO and they are not protected to overvoltage, but the Gertboard add-on should amelioorate that.
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[3:58] <Jarred> I'm not done yet setting it up, but I'm going to be using it to control a light switch
[3:59] <Jarred> More specifically, it'll control light switches, a receiver (via infrared remote), two infrared proximity sensors, and a lamp
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[4:11] <vvvfjjuoghg> That seems like the R-pi has enough GPIO to do that. Depends on how many ligth switches I guess
[4:12] <vvvfjjuoghg> To save gpio you could go to a usb connect infrared reciver.
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[7:50] <bravoecho> hello
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[9:40] <mdavey> New blog post is up. Board #3 on eBay is the one featured in the video posted last night.
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[10:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> I recoken they will go on sale - about 1 week after the last auction
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[11:03] <Thorn_> so it wasnt a booger afterall - it was where they had to scratch the board
[11:03] <Thorn_> Reggie will be quite dissapointed, his cloning plans are no more
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[13:49] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[13:51] <IT_Sean> good morning
[13:53] <feep> ..
[13:53] <feep> I just googled "blackberry pi"
[13:53] <IT_Sean> ...
[13:53] <feep> I kind of want one.
[13:53] <IT_Sean> what? a blackberry pie?
[13:54] <feep> IT_Sean: no, a razzlepie in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry formfactor
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[13:55] <IT_Sean> oh
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[13:55] <feep> ie. blackberry pi
[13:55] <feep> :D
[13:55] <IT_Sean> meh... i've had several blackberry phones... was never really impressed with any of them.
[13:56] <feep> to be honest I'd love a razzlepie in any formfactor that has a keyboard and battery
[13:57] <IT_Sean> then buy a raspi, and fit it with a keyboard and a battery. :p
[13:57] <IT_Sean> that's the beauty of the raspi... it's cheap enough to tinker with :p
[13:57] <feep> yes but that's fiddly and hardware-y
[13:57] * feep is a software person
[13:57] * IT_Sean loves fiddly & hardware-y
[13:57] * IT_Sean is more a hardware person
[13:57] <feep> I gathered :3
[13:58] <Thorn_> speaking of hardware
[13:58] <Thorn_> i hate nvidia
[13:58] <Thorn_> they give you 3 ports on the bakc of the card
[13:58] <Thorn_> and then go
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[13:58] <Thorn_> "This GPU only supports up to 2 displays"
[13:58] <Thorn_> grr
[13:58] <IT_Sean> they do that.
[13:58] <feep> how silly.
[13:58] <IT_Sean> do you really NEED three displays?
[13:58] <Thorn_> erm, yes it's a requirement
[13:58] <feep> well two is such an even number
[13:58] <feep> >_> <_<
[13:58] <Thorn_> i use 2 for screen and 1 for projector for watching movies
[13:59] <IT_Sean> oooh
[13:59] <Thorn_> and i really need 3 for screen
[13:59] * IT_Sean suggests buying a 2nd graphics card then
[13:59] <feep> so you'll need two cards anyway?
[13:59] <Thorn_> as you can see, 2 isnt enough: http://thoronir.net/awesome.png
[13:59] * feep has one monitor attached to two graphics cards :D
[14:00] * IT_Sean has two monitors, attached to one graphics card
[14:00] <Thorn_> ati doesnt have such retarded output limitations ;\
[14:01] <feep> yeah but ati is, well, ati
[14:01] <Thorn_> well, yeah
[14:01] <Thorn_> but tbh, over the years
[14:01] <Thorn_> nvidia has gone downhill anyway
[14:01] <Thorn_> i'm almost ready to buy an ati card :P
[14:01] <feep> depends
[14:01] <feep> windows or linux?
[14:01] <feep> ati are fine on windows, rubbish for wine.
[14:01] <Thorn_> both
[14:01] <Thorn_> ati is a pita for linux i'm aware
[14:01] <feep> I wasn't :D
[14:01] <feep> (now I am)
[14:01] <feep> (ati == learning experience <3)
[14:02] <Thorn_> but nvidia drivers are constantly going downhill
[14:02] <feep> yeah but ati aren't really going uphill either
[14:02] <feep> so ultimately, intel will overtake them both
[14:02] * feep pause
[14:02] * feep breaks into giggles
[14:02] * IT_Sean steals one of Thorn_'s monitors, thus solving his problem
[14:03] <Thorn_> ati are going uphill hardware-wise imo
[14:03] <feep> yeah but it needs both
[14:03] <feep> hardware and drivers~
[14:03] <Thorn_> nvidia drivers are going downhill though
[14:03] <Thorn_> so when you stack it up :D
[14:04] <feep> :D
[14:04] <feep> whatever works!
[14:08] <IT_Sean> YOu know it's going to be one of those days when you see an error code you've never seen before, then ask the engineer that designed the device whati t means, and hear him reply "Huh... dunno... never seen that one before." :|
[14:18] <feep> ouch
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> or errors like - this error cannot happen
[14:25] <WASDx> ati drivers are crap indeed
[14:25] <WASDx> the latest update makes my X crash when i play videos on vlc or mplayer
[14:25] <WASDx> board #10 at ??2100 now
[14:29] <IT_Sean> they do realise if they wait a month, they can get a raspi for a lot less, right? :p
[14:30] <IT_Sean> I mean... ... I'm all for supporting the org, of course. But, i am a little surprised to see the beta boards going this high.
[14:31] <WASDx> and #10 still rising while the others are cheaper
[14:31] <WASDx> hard to believe anyone would pay that much for a number
[14:32] <IT_Sean> what's #10 up to?
[14:32] <WASDx> ??2100
[14:32] <WASDx> was 2050 when i checked yesterday
[14:35] <IT_Sean> yowza
[14:37] <Thorn_> i can assure you it was not 2050 yesterday
[14:37] <Thorn_> infact, it's been 2012 for several days now.
[14:38] <IT_Sean> four days, to be precise. Well... three days, 8 hours, and 38 minutes here.
[14:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> 13hrs not 8
[14:39] <IT_Sean> it's 8.38am on the 4th. .....
[14:39] <feep> Thorn_: lol.
[14:40] <WASDx> Right Thorn_, all these dates mess my head up.
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[15:49] <ahven> hehe, pi bashing over at #arduino :P
[15:49] <WASDx> on my way :P
[15:49] <ahven> but you can't slay every troll you see on your way
[15:50] <ahven> 16:46 < eatyourguitar> forget rasberry poop. I'm not chineese so I don't think I'll buy one
[15:50] <ahven> was the line that I saw first
[15:51] <WASDx> lol
[15:51] <WASDx> about the quality of arguments as i expected
[15:51] <ahven> sadly the usual
[15:51] * IT_Sean goes to make a little noise
[15:55] * IT_Sean gives a 5 minute server reboot warning, then reboots it after 4 minutes and 30 seconds.
[16:08] <merlin1991> why warn? shutdown -r 0 is still the way to go ;)
[16:09] <traeak> by the time they complain it'll be back up anyways
[16:10] <merlin1991> exactly
[16:10] <IT_Sean> actually, it's a Win 2k3 server. It takes about three minutes to fully boot. In three minutes, i would have a number of complaints
[16:12] <traeak> ahh
[16:12] <traeak> windows server...
[16:12] <traeak> can't get away with it?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Active Directory can [censored] my [censored]ing [censored] with a [censored].
[16:17] <IT_Sean> that said... No... unwarned reboots are verboten.
[16:17] <merlin1991> german to enhance the ruling?
[16:18] <IT_Sean> :p
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[16:18] <ahven> it's becoming a trend? :P
[16:19] <ahven> an international company recently moved their support from Sweden to Germany
[16:20] <IT_Sean> ... and?
[16:20] <ahven> and it has gone downhill so far, from my point of view
[16:20] <ahven> it will improve probably, but when :)
[16:21] <ahven> management probably thought that this was the way to go, moneywise
[16:21] <ahven> though everything was working just fine
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[16:23] <ahven> but from my companys perspective - less permissions for me, more work for me = more money :)
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[19:27] * IT_Sean blinks
[19:29] <rien> last post says "Consider our gast well and truly flabbered.", but shouldn't that be "our flabbers truly gasted", in parallel with "crestfallen"? :)
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[19:34] <IT_Sean> rien: you have got far too much time on your hands
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[19:37] <rien> you think I did a lot of research for that?
[19:38] <rien> I was just joking though. I check that page whenever I can (which isn't every day) 'cause I can't wait to be able to buy one.
[19:39] <IT_Sean> aye, i can't either
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[19:40] <IT_Sean> I usually check the raspi site in the evening for new posts. Although, i am on the mailing list, so...
[19:41] <rien> I see. do you know if it'll come all done up, or will it be in pieces? at first, because of the price, I thought it'd be just the board and a shopping list for radioshack!
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[19:43] <chris_99> yes its all soldered up
[19:43] <chris_99> you can't hand solder the main chip
[19:43] <Thorn_> only things not premounted at the 0.1" headers for the gpio etc
[19:44] <IT_Sean> It'll be ready to rock out of the box, save for the boot card.
[19:44] <IT_Sean> the GPIO pins you will need to source & solder yourself.
[19:45] <chris_99> oh
[19:45] <chris_99> i didnt realise that
[19:45] <chris_99> are they pre-drilled though
[19:45] <IT_Sean> yes
[19:45] <IT_Sean> they are
[19:45] <chris_99> thank goodness
[19:45] <IT_Sean> you need only get the sort of pins you want (90 bend, or straight) in the correct pitch, and solder them
[19:45] <chris_99> gotcha
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> Instead of trying to account for everyones preferences regarding the pins being top mounted, or bottom mounted, or 90 bend, or straight, etc... they just left it up to you to get whatyou wanted and mount them how you please.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> Other than the GPIO header, EVERYTHING is soldered to the board already.
[19:48] <rien> hmm I'll have to get help for that gpio thing
[19:48] <Thorn_> if you dont do hardware hacking its not needed
[19:49] <IT_Sean> If you aren't able to solder a simple thru hole pin header, GPIO stuff is probably over your head.
[19:49] <piofcube> There'll be quite a few things you can use with the USB instead of hacking into the GPIO
[19:52] * IT_Sean will be interested to see what people come up with, as far as using the GPIO to control other hardware
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[19:58] <duckinator> hi
[19:58] <chris_99> so gpio could be configured as spi etc. right
[20:01] <duckinator> IT_Sean: "If you aren't able to solder a simple thru hole pin header, GPIO stuff is probably over your head." <-- i disagree, mostly because the only reason i wouldn't be able to solder them is due to my hands being annoyingly shaky (and, related, the nagging fear of melting the skin on the tip of my thumb again...)
[20:02] <duckinator> IT_Sean: although that said, i could probably develop a rig that would be able to solder it without me being within 2 feet of the soldering iron at any given moment, so i guess it's a moot point :P
[20:02] <IT_Sean> fair enough.
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[20:02] <IT_Sean> I have a similar issue. I need to do some relxation exercises to get my heart rate down before i solder, or my hands shake.
[20:05] <chris_99> does anyone else love the smell of solder or is that just me
[20:05] <IT_Sean> lead fumes FTW. :/
[20:05] <IT_Sean> use a fume blower, man!
[20:06] <duckinator> i'm waiting for the day 100% non-toxic solder comes out and is actually usable. that *hasn't* happened yet, right?
[20:06] * duckinator hasn't heard of it happening
[20:07] <IT_Sean> nope... not yet
[20:07] <IT_Sean> It either has lead, or it's a bitch to use
[20:07] <duckinator> :(
[20:07] <chris_99> yeah lead solder is the best
[20:07] <duckinator> i have rather bad asthma so if i can't automate it in some location that i can't have a bazillion fans clearing out, i'm going to have to ask someone else to do it for me :|
[20:08] <ReggieUK> one day we won't need solder, we'll just glue the crap together
[20:08] <duckinator> s/can't have/can have/
[20:08] <duckinator> ReggieUK: metal glue!
[20:08] <duckinator> that's actually a rather awesome idea, if someone could pull it off
[20:08] <ReggieUK> it's already here
[20:08] <chris_99> you can already get metalic paint
[20:09] <ReggieUK> no there is already conductive glue
[20:09] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wire-Glue-No-Soldering-solder-Adhesive-Gun-iron-Solar-Cells-Panel-Electrical-/330664510223?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfd24030f
[20:09] <duckinator> chris_99: well it'd have to be capable of supporting the parts, which is why i said glue
[20:09] <ReggieUK> well, not no to metallic paint of course :D
[20:09] <duckinator> ReggieUK: does it...actually work?
[20:11] <ReggieUK> google 'wire glue' 'conductive glue' or 'electric glue'
[20:11] <ReggieUK> http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Conductive-Glue-and-Glue-a-Circuit/
[20:12] <chris_99> let me guess, that thats just mixing metallic paint
[20:12] <chris_99> with glue
[20:12] <IT_Sean> It also seems less perminant than solder.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> leaded solder is still your best bet, i'd say.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Just don't eat it, inser it rectally, or breathe the fumes.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> *insert
[20:13] <chris_99> hehe
[20:13] <IT_Sean> (you know some idiot would)
[20:13] <duckinator> IT_Sean: i'm sure some idiot *has*
[20:14] <IT_Sean> duckinator: As am i. :|
[20:14] <IT_Sean> It's a bit depressing that you can pick up just about any household object and know that somewhere, at some point, someone has put something like it up their bum.
[20:15] <duckinator> yes it is
[20:15] <duckinator> it's only slightly less depressing that someone's probably tried to eat it, as well
[20:15] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[20:15] <duckinator> the 'slightly less' is only because at least it's not up their ass
[20:16] <Thorn_> well
[20:16] <Thorn_> there was a story of the jam jar up someones ass
[20:16] <Thorn_> caused an internal hemmorhage when surgeons tried to remove it -> he died
[20:16] <duckinator> haven't you told us this story before?
[20:16] <IT_Sean> He has
[20:16] <IT_Sean> several times
[20:16] <Thorn_> i did?
[20:16] <duckinator> yup
[20:16] <Thorn_> i dont remember it oO
[20:17] <Thorn_> and definitely not several times
[20:17] <duckinator> well you or someone else whose nick starts with a capital T did :D
[20:17] <Thorn_> infact, my irc logs agree with em
[20:17] <Thorn_> me*
[20:17] <merlin1991> em, the voices?
[20:17] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:18] <duckinator> in other news
[20:18] * duckinator reads the instructables link from ReggieUK :P
[20:18] <rien> anal insertions aside but still on the topic of products being abused, why is there no 100% isopropyl? what's so safe about 99%?
[20:19] <Thorn_> dont think its about safety, they probably just cant legally gaurantee it's 100% pure isopropyl no pollutants
[20:20] <chris_99> yeah it also might be difficult to distil to that level
[20:20] <duckinator> ReggieUK: bleh. "this process involves nasty solvents in the mixing process" :(
[20:20] <rien> then I should rephrase my question toask about 91% isopropyl which is all I can buy at the store. the 99% I can only buy online.
[20:21] <duckinator> the lack of a cleanly-producable solder or solder-replacement is kinda sad, to me
[20:21] <duckinator> rien: is the 91% cheaper? :P
[20:21] <rien> duckinator: no :/ I use it as a whiteboard cleaner so I should know. they go for about $3 everywhere
[20:22] <duckinator> not a clue then
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[20:24] <IT_Sean> the other 9% is distilled horse urine
[20:25] <rien> my theory is that the other 9% is whiteboard-marker smudger :)
[20:26] <IT_Sean> hose piss is a proven effective whiteboard smudger
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[20:37] <rien> so how does raspberry pi compare to beagle board/bone?
[20:40] <xlq> The pi's CPU is slower. The pi has less RAM, no on-board flash (Beagle xM has no flash either), no audio input, no serial port soldered on (but available via the header), no USB OTG, HDMI instead of DVI-D or VGA, and is a darnsight cheaper.
[20:41] <xlq> I've probably got at least one thing wrong there though.
[20:43] <IT_Sean> To be fair, alot of the stuff that it is missing (audio in, serial, additional storage) can be cheaply and easily added via USB.
[20:44] <rien> xlq: thank you for the rundown
[20:45] <xlq> IT_Sean: Yes indeed, I'm not having a go at the pi at all.
[20:46] <IT_Sean> I know.
[20:46] <IT_Sean> I just felt i should point out that USB is pretty flexable for low speed I/O stuff.
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[20:46] <xlq> Probably some things I've missed. E.g., I think the Beagle has better power supply regulation.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> the beagleboner is a lot more expensive than even a raspi Model B, though
[20:48] <Thorn_> the beagle cant have 'better' power supply regulation
[20:48] <Thorn_> because the pi has no regulated on the input :D
[20:48] <Thorn_> you're expected to provide 5v regulated
[20:48] <xlq> Some regulation is better than no regulation then ;)
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[20:48] <Thorn_> no regulation on the input*
[20:48] * IT_Sean regulates Thorn_'s input
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[21:02] * IT_Sean just issued the first RMA of the new year
[21:02] <carli2> hi. the raspberry pi has gpio ports. are there data sheets for them? are they suitable for model building? do they have a power supply?
[21:02] <Stskeeps> carli2: i think there was a blog post on raspberrypi.org about this topic
[21:02] <IT_Sean> model building?
[21:03] <IT_Sean> what has model building got to do with GPIO headerS?
[21:03] <carli2> IT_Sean google translate suggested "model-" - it's building robot cars etc.
[21:03] <carli2> modellbau in german
[21:03] <IT_Sean> oooooh
[21:03] <IT_Sean> i see
[21:03] <IT_Sean> yes, you should be able to whip up a handy motor controller
[21:04] <carli2> handy is german... cell phone is the correct word for it
[21:04] <carli2> Stskeeps: do you have a link?
[21:05] <IT_Sean> i just... what? no. I.. bugger. I'm trying to say that you will be able to make a GPIO motor controller w/ the raspi, along with some other bits and wads of electronica
[21:05] <IT_Sean> *electronics
[21:05] <Stskeeps> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/422 , http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411
[21:06] <carli2> danke
[21:07] <carli2> does the gpio have pwm?
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[21:09] <carli2> is there wifi or bluetooth or any wireless connection to raspi?
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[21:10] <xlq> carli2: No.
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[21:10] <xlq> They say they'll sell USB 802.11 interfaces in the r-pi shop.
[21:11] <IT_Sean> iiiinteresting
[21:14] <carli2> hmm, say I buy a usb wifi stick, solder some motors and LEDs to the GPIO and write a driver to access the gpio and mount some LiPo battery on it, i should be able to use the raspi as a robot, correct?
[21:15] <ReggieUK> unlikely
[21:15] <ReggieUK> not without extra circuits on the motors
[21:15] <ReggieUK> unless of course you want to destroy your pi
[21:16] <carli2> so i should put a relais between raspi and motor
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[21:16] <carli2> what's the power supply of the gpio outputs?
[21:16] <ReggieUK> depends on the motors
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[21:16] <carli2> should depend on the soc
[21:17] <ReggieUK> ?
[21:17] <ReggieUK> I was answering the relays questions
[21:17] <carli2> ah
[21:17] <carli2> i was too fast
[21:17] <ReggieUK> check the website for gpio current
[21:18] <ReggieUK> you would in general just use the gpio to switch hi/lo on a motor driver board depending on the motors
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[21:57] <BjornW> anyone know if love2d is already ported to ARM for raspberrypi?
[22:02] <Stskeeps> love2d?
[22:02] <BjornW> http://love2d.org/
[22:03] <BjornW> I'm currently downloading the VM made by Russel Davis (http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/10/virtualbox-vm-for-raspberrypi-development/) so I can try to port it to ARM (although I haven't ported anything yet)
[22:04] <Stskeeps> yeah, you need to port a few dependancies
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[22:04] <Stskeeps> may already exist in debian though
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[22:07] <BjornW> Stskeeps: ok, I'm going to just try it :)
[22:07] <xlq> Oh, Lua. I think LuaJIT now has an ARM port.
[22:07] <xlq> Not sure how much of L??VE is machine-specific.
[22:13] <BjornW> xlq: I don't know. I'm going to use a very scientific method to find out: trial and error :)
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[22:22] <mdavey> carli2: at least some of the gpios have pwm
[22:24] <carli2> mdavey: how many?
[22:25] <mdavey> carli2: soulds like what you need is the gertboard accessory
[22:26] <mdavey> carli2: 3v3 at 50mA max across all gpios. You can't drive anything more than a transistor or led directly from the gpios
[22:27] <carli2> mdavey: but a transistor should be enough to control a motor :)
[22:27] <Thorn_> is that
[22:28] <Thorn_> 50mA shared across all gpio's ?
[22:28] <Thorn_> or 50mA per gpio
[22:29] <mdavey> carli2: I don't know. I suspect all: http://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/140548306886602752
[22:30] <carli2> raspi is the cheapest development board in the world with the most functions :)
[22:30] <carli2> i hope you can keep your price promise
[22:30] <carli2> when will raspi be available in mass?
[22:31] <mdavey> Thorn_: across all as I understand it - there is very little headroom available on 3v3. There is a discussion somewhere where Gert was talking about sourcing another 3v3 from 5v for the Gertboard because there is so little overhead available on 3v3 on the mainboard
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[22:31] <mdavey> carli2: Yup, they've done their sums very well and nearly all the components are already ordered so they can be very confident about the price.
[22:32] <mdavey> carli2: End of January or early February.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> carli2: the release date in MA is the same as it is for the rest of the world. :p
[22:32] * IT_Sean hides
[22:33] <mdavey> MA?
[22:33] <mdavey> Oh - duh.
[22:33] <IT_Sean> you said "when will it be avail. in mass" :p
[22:33] <mdavey> yea, yea
[22:33] <IT_Sean> lame, i know, but i'm bored.
[22:36] <mdavey> carli2: http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29.2C_I2C.2C_I2S.2C_SPI.2C_UART
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[22:39] <carli2> which kernel will be used?
[22:39] <WASDx> whichever you want i suppose
[22:39] <carli2> 3.2 please, because of the gpio changes
[22:40] <WASDx> do you have any idea of when it will be released?
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[22:41] <carli2> :( proprietary gfx driver
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[22:43] <WASDx> carli2: do you have any links on this linux 3.2 gpio gfx stuff? would like to know more
[22:43] <WASDx> I heard something a long time ago about kernel 3.1 and graphic cards
[22:43] <WASDx> not sure what
[22:44] <mdavey> WASDx: latest information is "probably 3.x". That was a couple of days ago from jamesh.
[22:44] <carli2> WASDx: gfx=graphics; the GPU gles2.0 driver is proprietary; it has nothing to do with the gpio
[22:45] <carli2> WASDx: i read the gpio stuff from the kernel git log
[22:46] <WASDx> Oh so you pointed out you're sad about proprietary gfx drivers :P thought it was related to 3.2 or something
[22:46] <WASDx> ok
[22:47] <WASDx> next board should be on ebay in 15 minutes i suppose
[22:49] <WASDx> linus torvalds said on december 16th "we'll probably have the real 3.2 around new"
[22:49] <WASDx> around new years*
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[23:12] <mdavey> Penultimate beta board is up - and already at ??260
[23:13] <chris_99> surely the last ones should be the ones that go for the most
[23:14] <WASDx> yeah #1 for sure
[23:14] <mdavey> I would have thought #1 would go for the most, then #10, then #3
[23:14] <mdavey> Then probably #2, #5 and #9
[23:15] <chris_99> huh, why?
[23:15] <mdavey> chris_99: which bit?
[23:15] <WASDx> #1 should be up in a bit less than 2 hours i guess if it's the same as the other days
[23:15] <chris_99> why wouldn't it just go 1 to 10
[23:16] <mdavey> #10 will go for a lot because its the first to be listed so will be the first to actually sell.
[23:16] <WASDx> I wonder if they'll ship all at the same time
[23:18] <mdavey> #3 is the one that's featured in the video, where you can see Eben and Pete working on the board. Its also probably the only one that Eben applied the fix to.
[23:22] <mdavey> #9 will be the second one ever to be sold. #2 is the second lowest numbered serial. And people like certain numbers such as 5, 7 (lucky in the western world) and 8 (lucky in Asia). So by reckoning, #4 and #6 will be the cheapest ;)
[23:25] <chris_99> heh, interesting theory
[23:25] <chris_99> i just hope they release the cheap boards soon!
[23:26] <WASDx> Those numbers are meaningless to me. I would pick the chepest one regardless of how much money I had
[23:28] <chris_99> im really curious whose buying them
[23:29] <chris_99> and > 1k
[23:29] <chris_99> *at
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