#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-06

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[0:11] <traeak> the one negative with that is the initial goal is to get the rpi into the hands of those who will fill out its software catalog as quickly as possible
[0:13] <ahven> http://www.techspot.com/news/46909-broadcom-introduces-first-gigabit-speed-80211ac-chips.html
[0:13] <ahven> we need this on raspi, asap!
[0:13] <ahven> :P
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[0:21] <WASDx> both gigabit and wireless are overrated imo
[0:22] <WASDx> well, i don't use them at least. Of course they have their usages. And regular gigabit cards are cheap today and in many motherboards
[0:23] <ahven> I have thought of getting a gigabit router at home but honestly I don't have any other computer to benefit from it
[0:24] <traeak> have one at work...gigabit is only good if you need speed between your own machines
[0:24] <traeak> i guess some commercial internet can use gigabit as well
[0:24] <traeak> asus rt-n16 at work here
[0:24] <Dagger2> VM's fastest connection is 105mbit, which technically needs gigabit
[0:25] <piofcube> I upgraded all my LAN to cat6 and added new hubs/nics/etc and don't see much difference in speeds between PCs on the LAN though I do see an improvement when I am using lots of connections at the same time at high speeds.
[0:26] <Dagger2> (in my case, I'd like to use an RPi as the router, to replace our current 667 MHz Celeron... but that'll limit downstream to 90mbit if someone uploads at 10mbit)
[0:26] <traeak> cat6 should be goo for 10G honestly
[0:26] <traeak> good enough i mean
[0:26] <traeak> and yeah, all cat6 here as well
[0:26] <traeak> rpi as a router would be ugly i think
[0:27] <traeak> for throughput
[0:29] <Dagger2> traeak: you're right, I'm not sure if it can route/NAT that much traffic... but if it can't, I'm not sure our existing Celeron will be able to either, and it would not do it with 20 times the power too
[0:30] <Dagger2> (and really I was talking about gigabit, not "gigabit on a computer too slow to make use of it")
[0:30] <traeak> Dagger2: if you have less than 10BT speeds on your internet then you should be okay
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[0:30] <wwalker> I used to route/NAT 10 Mbits/sec on 486 50 MHz, and it used 10% of the CPU
[0:31] <wwalker> but those were USB polled devices, they were PCI DMA ethernet cards
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[0:31] <wwalker> s/were/were not/
[0:32] <Dagger2> wwalker: my WRT54GS (MIPS, 230 MHz or so) couldn't do more than 25 mbit/s
[0:32] <Dagger2> number of firewall rules is going to make a difference too
[0:35] <rm> there are now USB gigabit NICs
[0:36] <Thorn_> well, that's pointless if ever i heard of it
[0:36] <piofcube> LOL... you beat me to it ;-)
[0:36] <WASDx> there are USB SSDs to
[0:36] <rm> supposedly it's the best you can get, as those are probably built to reach something passable for gigabit
[0:36] <rm> (i.e. 300 megabit :P)
[0:37] <rm> despite being polled and all
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[0:37] <Thorn_> usb 2 or 3?
[0:37] <rm> USB 2
[0:37] <Thorn_> if you can get 300mbit out of usb2
[0:38] <rm> afair I got about 30 megabytes per second from/to an USB 2.0 connected HDD
[0:38] <Thorn_> i'll eat <someone elses> hat
[0:38] <Dagger2> you should be able to reach 250mbit or so on USB 2... 30 MB/s is the fastest I've seen a USB hdd do
[0:38] <WASDx> I've reached 37MB/s i think
[0:38] <Dagger2> and the key point is that 250 > 100, not that 250 < 1000
[0:38] <WASDx> but average 30
[0:38] <WASDx> not sure about that 37, may have remembered wrong
[0:40] <Thorn_> i wish people would stop believeing windows copy dialogues
[0:40] <rm> regarding USB NICs it goes like this: $2-3 for USB 1.1 really dumb ones which cap out at 10 megabit and fire thousands of IRQs even during that
[0:40] <rm> (because USB 1.1 limits them to 64 bytes per IRQ)
[0:40] <rm> $7 for proper 100 mbit ones which work passably ok
[0:41] <rm> and about $20 for gigabit ones (which I haven't personally used)
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[1:47] <Craig`> Hey guys, would it be possible to play dvd isos through the raspberry pi (and if so with menu support?), some hardware can 'play' isos but not actually toggle between the menus (even if this is possible how would i actually toggle through?)
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[2:03] <chris_99> vlc can do that Craig`
[2:07] <Craig`> okay thanks, how would i toggle between menu options though? the pi will be connected to my tv (and hidden behind it), getting the iso through ethernet, some sort of remote would be ideal (the best way i can think of is to make a app for my smartphone and then that sends signals to the r.pi?)
[2:08] <Craig`> any ideas chris_99
[2:08] <chris_99> theres a web interface to vlc
[2:08] <Craig`> oh great thanks
[2:11] <rm> or you can buy a wireless mouse+keyboard combo device
[2:12] <Craig`> rm: that isn't ideal in my living room.
[2:13] <Craig`> also i plan to have one raspberry pi per room with tv, so that would get rather expensive.
[2:14] <rm> I don't think you get what device I mean :)
[2:14] <rm> sec
[2:15] <rm> so either just a very small keyboard http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-android-wince-nokia-symbian-s60-cellphones-black-37863
[2:16] <Craig`> oh I see, sorry for the misunderstanding.
[2:16] <Craig`> i thought you meant a wireless keyboard/mouse for the raspberry pi, not the phone.
[2:17] <rm> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/handheld-rechargeable-bluetooth-v2-0-2-4g-mini-wireless-keyboard-with-trackpad-and-red-laser-70494
[2:17] <Dagger2> he did mean for the RPi
[2:17] <rm> or one with a trackpad like on a notebook
[2:17] <rm> yes this is for the RPi
[2:17] <Dagger2> you would have to hunt down one of those $1 bluetooth dongles to use it
[2:18] <rm> yep http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866
[2:18] <Craig`> oh i see, thanks.
[2:18] <Dagger2> you also have the option of any other mechanism you can think of for interacting with a Linux box
[2:18] <Dagger2> (like say, an IR media-center remote)
[2:22] <Craig`> The main purpose (at least atm) i'm wanting the RPi for is simply to watch DVDs that i've got on my NFS, I can't think of any other things (that others would use) that I could do with it right now.
[2:57] <traeak> right now being the key yeah
[2:59] <vvvfjjuoghg> yo
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[5:19] <Jarred> Is it likely that the release of the Raspberry Pi will make electronic prototyping boards more powerful and cheaper?
[5:20] <vvvfjjuoghg> whee
[5:20] <Jarred> (i.e the Arduino Uno has a 16mhz processor and 2kb of volatile memory)
[5:20] <vvvfjjuoghg> But the raspberrypi doesn't fill the exact niche that the Arduino Uno does.
[5:21] <Jarred> It has GPIO pins
[5:21] <Jarred> and there'll be an extension board for it more than likely
[5:21] <vvvfjjuoghg> Not as many, and they're purposely made harder to interface with due to lack of onboard protections.
[5:21] <vvvfjjuoghg> Yeah, the Gertboard.
[5:22] <vvvfjjuoghg> Raspberrypi plus gertboard is going to be more expensive than an Arduino Uno but also more capable.
[5:22] <vvvfjjuoghg> But, there's more to gone wrong in a full Linux distribution.
[5:22] <Jarred> I can have it run a copy of Arch Linux probably
[5:23] <Jarred> (Which is the fastest Linux distrobution I know of)
[5:23] <Jarred> Or PuppyDog Linux
[5:24] <vvvfjjuoghg> I like Arch.
[5:24] <vvvfjjuoghg> And I've only used it for a day or to by now.
[5:25] <Jarred> Yeah, it's excellent
[5:25] <Jarred> Get yaourt if you haven't already
[5:26] <vvvfjjuoghg> Not now..
[5:26] <vvvfjjuoghg> My Arch box is engaged in ripping a cd.
[5:26] <Jarred> It's pacman + AUR
[5:32] <warddr> If you combine a $12 arduino uno with the raspberry pi you can have tons of applications, the sky is the limit.
[5:33] <warddr> I am now making a robot for a school project with only an arduino, and now there is a bluetooth link with a computer to process all sensor data, but if I can get that working on a raspberry pi that would be a great benefit
[5:36] <vvvfjjuoghg> Eek
[5:36] <vvvfjjuoghg> Arduino+BT must be pretty expensive.
[5:40] <warddr> school's paying the bills :D
[5:41] <warddr> It's a 65 EUR bluetooth module
[5:42] <Jarred> Where's Raspberry Pi being developed?
[5:42] <Jarred> Is it in SF?
[5:42] <vvvfjjuoghg> Mostly in england.
[5:42] <Dagger2> Cambridge
[5:43] <Jarred> Alright
[5:43] <Dagger2> and yes, since you Americans keep stealing our city names, that's Cambridge, UK :p
[5:43] <Jarred> lol
[5:44] <warddr> most of the time the americans add new
[5:44] <Dagger2> not for Cambridge, MA though
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[6:22] <uriah> ello
[6:23] <uriah> has anyone decided to leak a release date, which i expect to be around jan 12?
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[6:24] <warddr> uriah, if you want one by that date you'll have to pay over 1000 DOLLARs in the ebay action
[6:27] <uriah> lol indeed
[6:28] <uriah> what i'm saying is that they'll probably start selling them right after the auctions end
[6:28] <uriah> although it may be more around jan 20
[6:29] <uriah> who knows, really... in any event there will be so much demand for them that i won't be able to get one before some time in march, probably
[6:29] <uriah> raspberry pi will quickly become the chosen one.
[6:31] <warddr> Once ubuntu is ported definately
[6:32] <uriah> ugh
[6:32] <uriah> why even bother with distros?
[6:32] <uriah> the best thing to do will be to build your own busybox with uclibc and then add whatever tools you need on top of that
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[6:33] <uriah> write your own initscript, and there you go
[6:35] <Jarred> That defeats the purpose of Raspberry Pi
[6:35] <uriah> ??
[6:36] <Jarred> It's supposed to be a really cheap computer that's already (mostly) setup
[6:36] <uriah> bah
[6:36] <Dagger2> because "add whatever tools you need on top of that" is the exact task that distros are designed to make easier
[6:36] <uriah> it defeats the optional half of the purpose of raspberry pi :P
[6:38] <uriah> if you're running a memory sensitive project off of one of these you're best off doing what i suggested from scratch
[6:38] <uriah> keeping it as minimal as possible
[6:39] <Dagger2> I'd say you're best off using a minimal distro
[6:39] <uriah> like arch, sure
[6:39] <DaQatz> Most if how I use the pi will be pretty custom.
[6:39] <DaQatz> So my own init scripts is not an issue.
[6:39] <Dagger2> if there's no appropriate distro, then yes, feel free to roll your own, but there really ought to be *something*
[6:39] <uriah> ;)
[6:40] <DaQatz> And probably most of the early buyers will be the same.
[6:40] <uriah> i wouldn't trust arch or debian for the work i want to do
[6:40] <Dagger2> OpenWRT, perhaps, which even comes with a fantastic automatic-cross-compiler-building build system
[6:41] <uriah> sure, perhaps openwrt
[6:41] <uriah> still though, it's more fun to do it all on your own
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[6:41] <DaQatz> I would love to see Haiku and RiscOS working well on the Pi as well.
[6:41] <DaQatz> Light and fast.
[6:42] <DaQatz> And simple to dev for with low resources.
[6:42] <uriah> if you set it up once properly, updates will be a piece of cake... just automate the process with a script you write the first time you do it
[6:43] <vvvfjjuoghg> DaQatz: I think there was a demostratory video fo Risc OS 5 running on the pi.
[6:43] <Jarred> I would say that Arch would be significantly easier
[6:43] <uriah> arch isn't secure enough
[6:43] <uriah> neither is debian
[6:43] <DaQatz> Working, and working well are very different.
[6:44] <warddr> roling releases in general arn't stable enough in my oppinion, it's hard to test those things
[6:44] <vvvfjjuoghg> uriah: What is your application?
[6:44] <DaQatz> I use gentoo on a few desktops
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[6:44] <DaQatz> very stable.
[6:44] <uriah> vvvfjjuoghg: uav
[6:44] <uriah> comms uav
[6:44] <DaQatz> I've had less issues with it then with Debian
[6:44] <vvvfjjuoghg> unmanned aerial vehicle?
[6:45] <uriah> for communications purposes
[6:45] <vvvfjjuoghg> DaQatz: Which release of debian are you using, stable, testing, unstable?
[6:45] <DaQatz> And Gentoo is a rolling release, source based distro.
[6:45] <DaQatz> Stable
[6:45] <Jarred> My Arch VM is using 82.336 megabytes of RAM atm
[6:45] <uriah> lol
[6:45] <uriah> too much
[6:46] <Jarred> Yeah, but I have several unneccessary packages installed
[6:46] * warddr has a VPS with ubuntu and only 30Mb RAM (even running mysql)
[6:46] <Jarred> (That probably have daemons and all)
[6:46] <uriah> yeah...
[6:46] <uriah> tiling window manager ftqw
[6:46] <uriah> ftw*
[6:47] <vvvfjjuoghg> -/+ buffers/cache: 23 214
[6:47] <warddr> But it's almost 7AM here, I should go get some sleep, see you later!
[6:47] <uriah> heh goodnight warddr
[6:47] <vvvfjjuoghg> nini warddr !
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[7:03] <uriah> i'm going to bed too
[7:03] <uriah> gnight
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[8:20] <ahven> found this:
[8:20] <ahven> http://www.indieroyale.com/
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[14:01] <t_dot_zilla> hi
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[14:04] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[14:05] * IT_Sean looks in
[14:05] * IT_Sean has the sneaking feeling that the HD in his laptop has 'issues' as only three days after an OS install, it is once again refusing to boot with a failure to mount the file system
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[14:08] <t_dot_zilla> where can i buy the raspberry pi ?
[14:09] <bongobongo> ebay
[14:09] <Jarii> :D
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[14:09] <t_dot_zilla> bongobongo: i dont see any on there
[14:09] <bongobongo> lol, they must have finished now
[14:10] <Jarii> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/raspberry_pi/m.html?item=180786734741&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649&_trksid=p4340.l2562
[14:10] <t_dot_zilla> oh i found them on the UK ebay
[14:10] <t_dot_zilla> $1000 ???
[14:10] <Jarii> :D
[14:10] <t_dot_zilla> i thought they were going to be $25
[14:10] <bongobongo> nah
[14:10] <Stskeeps> they are, but first 10 are getting auctioned off
[14:10] <bongobongo> they changed their minds
[14:10] <bongobongo> :P
[14:11] <t_dot_zilla> when are they going to be finally released?
[14:11] <bongobongo> Stskeeps: you spoiled it
[14:11] <Jarii> t_dot_zilla, you have to wait ~one month
[14:11] <t_dot_zilla> sweet, only ~1month... i know they will be sold out quick though
[14:12] <bongobongo> is the first batch 10k units?
[14:12] <Jarii> (source: https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/152819969233649664 )
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> come on guys... don't screw with t_dot_zilla. He was just asking a sim.... bah, whjo am i kidding, that WAS funny. :p
[14:16] <bongobongo> I hope someone makes a decent wideband SDR frontend for it :D
[14:16] * IT_Sean is really quite irritated at his laptops refusal to boot
[14:17] <bongobongo> kick it
[14:17] <IT_Sean> somehow, i don't think that will help.
[14:17] <Jarii> haha
[14:17] <bongobongo> no POST?
[14:18] <IT_Sean> can't mount the file system
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[14:18] <IT_Sean> I think the harddrives gone crispy duck
[14:18] <bongobongo> linux?
[14:19] <IT_Sean> aye
[14:19] <bongobongo> tried a grub install?
[14:19] <IT_Sean> it's a three day old completly fresh OS install
[14:19] <bongobongo> I'd wipe it totally
[14:19] <IT_Sean> and i haven't done a thing to it, save for installing irssi two days ago
[14:20] <IT_Sean> i did a full wipe & reinstall three days ago, after it fialed to boot the FS a week ago :p. The HD is tango uniform
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[14:20] <bongobongo> ah
[14:21] <IT_Sean> I have a smapre drive. but, it's at home. So, i'll be the day without it :(
[14:21] <bongobongo> bad sectors?
[14:21] <IT_Sean> i think so.
[14:21] <bongobongo> cack
[14:22] <IT_Sean> indeed
[14:22] <IT_Sean> and that's the only linux machine in my office as well! :( double bugger.
[14:23] <bongobongo> where's my violin ;)
[14:23] <IT_Sean> stuff it up your bongo, bongobongo
[14:23] <IT_Sean> i donb't like being stuck in a Windows world
[14:24] <bongobongo> tell me about it, I've 30 workstations here running XP
[14:24] <bongobongo> and a load of smelly windows VMs
[14:24] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeew
[14:24] <bongobongo> indeed
[14:24] <IT_Sean> mostly win 7 here. few XP units.
[14:24] <IT_Sean> also some 2k3 servers, and a new 2k8 one.
[14:24] <bongobongo> we've 2 windows 7
[14:25] <bongobongo> 70k desktops total though
[14:25] <IT_Sean> in my office: two WIn 7 desktops, two XP desktops, One 7 laptop, one Linux laptop. THe rest of the building is mostly win 7, with a few XP machines on the factory floor.
[14:26] <IT_Sean> We've less than 50.
[14:26] <bongobongo> wow, you make things?!
[14:26] <IT_Sean> Well. My company makes things. I'm the support guy.
[14:26] <bongobongo> we don't make anything, just information
[14:26] <IT_Sean> I support the things we make.
[14:27] <bongobongo> I support the things we don't make
[14:28] <bongobongo> I wish they'd have gone for a beefier SoC
[14:28] <bongobongo> even if it did add a few quid
[14:28] <bongobongo> a cortex a8 would be nice
[14:30] <bongobongo> bulk cost of allwinner a10 is just $7
[14:30] <IT_Sean> the point is to make it as inexpensive as possible
[14:30] <bongobongo> yeah
[14:30] <bongobongo> but it would be nice
[14:30] <IT_Sean> every little bit counts
[14:30] <IT_Sean> it WOULD be nice. It would alos be nice if it had a quad core i7, but it'd cost a bloody fortune compared to the current unit. All those little "
[14:30] <IT_Sean> all those little "it would be nice" bits add up
[14:31] * Jarii wants 2TB of ram
[14:31] <bongobongo> yeah, and I guess that the A10 has changed the landscape recently
[14:31] <bongobongo> when they were doing their planning it wasn't about
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[14:32] <bongobongo> I'm not sure what the unit cost of the bcm unit is, but it can't be much under $7
[14:32] <IT_Sean> it's not about being on the pointy bit of the pointy bit of the cutting edge, either. It's about making a cheap computer for kids to tinker with, and hopefully learn something from.
[14:32] <bongobongo> but then again they can get that low cost on low volumes
[14:32] <IT_Sean> That being said... I did, fairly recently, buy a Pent 4 for less than the cost of a raspi :p
[14:32] <IT_Sean> i've since resold it, but... :p
[14:33] <bongobongo> pent 4 was grim
[14:33] <rm> it'd cost you in electricity over a year
[14:33] <bongobongo> it ate power
[14:33] <rm> perhaps 10 rPIs
[14:33] <rm> ok, at least one or two :)
[14:33] <IT_Sean> rm: i only kept it for half a year. Purchased it for $17 shipped. Sold it six months later for ~ $150
[14:34] <bongobongo> we'd a 8 socket pent 4 series xeon here, the lights would dim when it booted
[14:34] <bongobongo> I'm surprised it didn't need 3 phase
[14:34] <rm> :))
[14:34] <IT_Sean> this was a small business machine. By todays' standards it was basically a thin client w/ a HD added :p
[14:36] * IT_Sean pokes at his lifeless linux laptop and grumbles
[14:38] <bongobongo> IT_Sean: what will you use your rasp for?
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[14:43] <IT_Sean> bongobongo: general tinkering and fiddling. Toying with building a media center for starters
[14:43] <bongobongo> same
[14:43] <bongobongo> I'm a lazy radio HAM so I wouldn't mind a cheap SDR
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[14:44] <bongobongo> but I'd also like a XBMC slave
[14:46] * IT_Sean is thinking of a combo of a sexy case containing the raspi and a powered USB hub, with a few other fiddliy bits, all running off of one power supply, and some clever soffware
[14:47] <ahven> media center to get the hang of it and a irc daemon/web server combo for replacing a dying pc
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[14:49] <IT_Sean> aye. My media center build is mostly to get a feel for the raspi. It's not going to be a perminant use for it.
[14:52] <ahven> for me it (atleast one of them) is going to be a permanent mc, until I get a bigass lcd
[14:52] <ahven> :P
[14:52] <IT_Sean> tehehe
[14:53] <ahven> currently have a 21" CRT TV
[14:53] <ahven> picture is fine, it works
[14:53] <chris_99> what res is that ahven
[14:53] <IT_Sean> I already have a media device (apple TV w/ 3rd party soffware and a soon to be installed upgraded GPU). But, it's just an excuse to tinker w/ the raspi, really.
[14:53] <ahven> 576p
[14:53] <chris_99> aha
[14:53] <ahven> or just PAL, I reckon
[14:53] <IT_Sean> tehe
[14:53] <bongobongo> you can upgrade the gpu in the appletv?
[14:54] <IT_Sean> THe 1st gen one
[14:54] <IT_Sean> not the new one
[14:54] <bongobongo> is it a discrete card?
[14:54] <IT_Sean> The wifi card in the 1st gen is a Mini PCIe device.
[14:54] <bongobongo> woo
[14:54] <chris_99> does the apple tv run osx
[14:54] <IT_Sean> The first gen one does. THe new one runs iOS, and is not hardware upgreadable
[14:54] <chris_99> ah
[14:55] <chris_99> sounds like the first one is better
[14:55] <chris_99> in some ways
[14:55] <IT_Sean> so, in the old one (which i've got) you take out the wifi card, then put in a Mini PCIe graphics card, and then install software that supports it
[14:55] <ahven> neat
[14:55] <bongobongo> then use usb wifi?
[14:56] <IT_Sean> chris_99: let's put it this way... the new Apple TV is over $99. It has no HD, and is not really in any way upgradable. The older one has a HD, and with 3rd party upgrades can use external HDs, and is 1080p capable.
[14:56] <bongobongo> or hard wire
[14:56] <IT_Sean> and this one has cost me less than $60 to build
[14:56] <IT_Sean> bongobongo: it has ethernet
[14:56] <IT_Sean> so, the 1st gen can be cheaper, and more capable then the old one.
[14:56] <bongobongo> I'd heard that the new one was a bit of a downgrade
[14:56] <IT_Sean> it is.
[14:56] <IT_Sean> no HD, and less hackable
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[14:56] <IT_Sean> and it cannot use external HDs
[14:57] <bongobongo> pants
[14:57] <bongobongo> I use a nvidia ion mini-itx for xbmc
[14:57] <bongobongo> works a treat
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[14:57] <bongobongo> good as a nas etc also
[14:57] <ahven> like the DTV boxes over here, mine has HDMI and possibly could use the USB port for recording, but the software only supports updating via that
[14:57] <IT_Sean> the old one runs OS X with a different GUI. It's basically a stripped down Mac Mini w/ no CD drive and a differtn CPU. you can actually get it to run a full install of OS X fairly easily
[15:00] <IT_Sean> exactly. On both the old and new ones, apple only enabled USB for diagnostics and such. You CAN, however, reenable full USB support on the old one. I have a 500 gig external HDD plugged into mine, for example, laoded up with DiVX files.
[15:01] <bongobongo> apple stuff annoys me
[15:02] <IT_Sean> <-- lifelong mac user.
[15:02] <bongobongo> I'd tried using it, but it just makes me angry
[15:02] <IT_Sean> That's how i feel about WIndows :p
[15:02] <WASDx> same
[15:02] <bongobongo> at least with windows you can see some sense
[15:02] <Jarii> *coff*
[15:02] <bongobongo> ...some
[15:02] <IT_Sean> see... that's hhow i feel about OS X :p
[15:03] <IT_Sean> there is NOTHING sensable about windows.
[15:03] <Jarii> :D
[15:03] <IT_Sean> i'm sorry, there just isn't
[15:03] <rmoriz> hi
[15:03] <bongobongo> fluxbox/openbox FTW
[15:03] <WASDx> none of my customized keybindings works on windows :( makes me frustrated when i click them and nothing happens
[15:03] <bongobongo> who needs window managers :P
[15:03] <WASDx> bongobongo :D
[15:03] <rmoriz> are there any node.js based projects that target the raspberrypi? like bonescript for the beagleboards?
[15:03] <ahven> hehe, it fit perfectly, but I forgot to mention that I was talking about DVB-C boxes :)
[15:04] <ahven> -T*
[15:04] <IT_Sean> and on the subjecto f windows being a ball-biting bugger... I need to go wrestle with a domain controller :|
[15:04] <IT_Sean> I shall return, either victorious, or with bits of server embedded in my boot
[15:05] <IT_Sean> (probabbly with bits of server embedded in my boot)
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[15:06] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[15:06] <IT_Sean> oooor not! Someone is logged into it
[15:10] <Jarii> kick him!
[15:10] <IT_Sean> why?
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[15:11] <IT_Sean> i don't really WANT to have to bugger with this DC, so... the "someone is logged into 'er" is a good excuse. Also... it could be The Boss, or The Pgorgrammmers, so... no kicking.
[15:11] <M0GHY> kick em out
[15:11] <M0GHY> that's what you're there for
[15:12] <IT_Sean> did you read what i just said! Kicking The Boss or The Programmmers is bad voodoo
[15:12] <M0GHY> they get used to it
[15:13] <IT_Sean> no no no... it starts off innocently enough... one day you kick off a Programmer, and the next thing you know your heated coffee mug explodes when you switch it on, or your jar of M&Ms goes missing.
[15:13] <M0GHY> I can't stop eating things today, I'm unstoppable
[15:13] <IT_Sean> and then it's a full on prank war thatl asts for weeks and ends with half the office in ruins
[15:13] <M0GHY> ha
[15:13] <IT_Sean> and me having to mend all the computers that get destroyed in the process
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[15:13] <M0GHY> I feel lucky that I work with an office full of pensioners
[15:14] <IT_Sean> so nmo... we will not be doing any server kicking this morning.
[15:15] <Jarii> :D
[15:15] <IT_Sean> the last time someone kicked a programmer their Ford Escape ended up in the loading dock. ...and the loading dock door is a foot narrower than a Frod Escape... ... ...
[15:15] <IT_Sean> *Ford
[15:16] <Jarii> I usually warn the users 5 minutes before the kick :P
[15:17] <IT_Sean> then kick them after four minutes?
[15:17] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:17] <Jarii> yeah! :P
[15:18] <IT_Sean> your a BOFH, arent you?
[15:18] <Jarii> naah! It's just that sometimes you have to reboot a node and you can't wait a lot!
[15:19] <IT_Sean> but, you do agree that the system would run more smoothly without all the users, right?
[15:19] <Jarii> oh, yes, of course!
[15:19] <IT_Sean> you are a BOFH.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:19] <Jarii> damn.
[15:19] <Jarii> :D
[15:20] <IT_Sean> welcome to the club, m8.
[15:23] <Jarii> 65 days since the last - argh - kernel panic
[15:23] * Jarii blames users
[15:25] <IT_Sean> hahahaha
[15:25] * IT_Sean plugs in his iDevices to top up the batteries
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Save Electrictiy! Charge crap at work! :p
[15:25] <Jarii> haha
[15:26] <IT_Sean> (to be fair, the iPhone is my company phone, so....)
[15:26] <Jarii> excuses!
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[15:27] <IT_Sean> what do we think... do i bother with an OS reinstall, only to have it probably fail again, or do i wait 'till i can go home to swap the HD in my personal laptop, THEN do the OS reinstall? (... he asks, alrready knowing the logical answer)
[15:28] * Jarii rolls a dice
[15:28] * IT_Sean flips a Binary Decision Maker
[15:28] <IT_Sean> HEADS!
[15:28] <Jarii> :D
[15:28] <IT_Sean> bugger... i forgot to decide what heads meant
[15:28] <Jarii> haha
[15:30] * Jarii sees some books looking at him in a very aggressive way
[15:31] * Jarii is scared
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> o.O
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[15:37] <chris_99> haha, lay off the coffee Jarii ;0
[15:38] * IT_Sean thinks about getting a cup of tea
[15:38] <M0GHY> IT_Sean: DO IT
[15:38] <IT_Sean> M0GHY: clearly, you have never had the office tea here. It's more of a tea-like substance
[15:39] <IT_Sean> it comes in BAGS. :|
[15:39] * IT_Sean Does Not Like bagged tea
[15:39] <M0GHY> IT_Sean: we used to have a nice ground coffee machine, now we've been provided with little packets of sh1t
[15:39] <IT_Sean> office tea is better than no tea, but, only by a narrow margin
[15:40] <M0GHY> they don't seem to understand that software engineers physically require strong black coffee or they die
[15:40] <IT_Sean> get your own grinder and whole bean supply? :p
[15:40] <M0GHY> way too lazy
[15:40] <IT_Sean> quickly, to starbucks!
[15:40] <M0GHY> lol, 5 miles
[15:40] <M0GHY> this is the UK
[15:41] <IT_Sean> you small country people have a weird sense of scale.
[15:41] <M0GHY> lol
[15:41] <IT_Sean> I could drive five miles, in a straigt line, and not leave my home town!
[15:41] <M0GHY> how much are you paying for gas over there now?
[15:41] * Jarii takes another cup of coffee
[15:41] <RaTTuS> miond you starbucks does not make good coffee
[15:41] <IT_Sean> in the states? I pay about $3 a gal for 93 octane
[15:42] * M0GHY get's calculator out
[15:42] <IT_Sean> it's gone down from it's peak.
[15:42] <IT_Sean> i have +
[15:42] <IT_Sean> i have know idea what that equates to in punds / litre
[15:42] <IT_Sean> *pounds
[15:43] <M0GHY> so you pay 66c/liter
[15:43] <RaTTuS> 3.7 lts to a us gal
[15:43] <IT_Sean> if you say so
[15:43] <M0GHY> ah
[15:43] <M0GHY> I was using imperial
[15:43] <M0GHY> 81c then
[15:44] <RaTTuS> uk is 1.32 UKP / lltr
[15:44] <M0GHY> which means you pay ??0.53/liter
[15:44] <M0GHY> that's why 5 miles is a long way
[15:45] <IT_Sean> ok, fair enough.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> What are you driving, and what sort of fuel consumption are you seeing?
[15:45] <M0GHY> as it happens I worked it out for the first time ever last night
[15:45] <M0GHY> 46mpg
[15:46] <IT_Sean> bloody hell!
[15:46] <IT_Sean> I'm lucky to see 20
[15:46] <M0GHY> my missus gets 51
[15:46] <IT_Sean> O.O
[15:46] <M0GHY> mine is 3 cylinder 700cc 115bhp
[15:46] <IT_Sean> ahhh... that would explain it.
[15:46] <M0GHY> :P
[15:47] <M0GHY> 2 seats, no roof
[15:47] <IT_Sean> <-- 5 seats, roof, and a 4L I6
[15:47] <M0GHY> you driving around in a 4.6l v8 chevvy?
[15:48] <IT_Sean> 4L inline 6 BMW
[15:48] <M0GHY> nom nom nom fuel
[15:48] <IT_Sean> something liek that
[15:49] <IT_Sean> It had got a really tall 5th gear, so, i can get up to 46 or 47 emm pee gees on a long trip. But, darting to work and back, it drinks fuel like it's going out of style
[15:49] <IT_Sean> *has
[15:49] <IT_Sean> I do, also, have a tendency to drive like i'm on fire.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> I tried the whole driving economically thing, but it only made a difference of a couple of mpg, and, to be honest, the drive to work is the only fun i get ot really have during the week :p
[15:59] <M0GHY> hehe
[16:01] <M0GHY> wow, fuel tax here is 4 times as much per gallon as you guys pay
[16:02] <M0GHY> good ol' socialism
[16:05] <IT_Sean> most of what you pay is tax on fuel.
[16:06] <RaTTuS> 80%
[16:07] <RaTTuS> umm - make that about 65%
[16:07] <M0GHY> yeah somewhere around there
[16:08] <M0GHY> they tax it, then they put sales tax on the tax
[16:08] <M0GHY> which is technically illegal
[16:08] <IT_Sean> that's abysmal
[16:08] <M0GHY> well they put sales tax on the net after fuel duty
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[16:09] <IT_Sean> down with tax
[16:09] <M0GHY> yes tax is properly rubbish, but it builds roads
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[16:22] <IT_Sean> M0GHY: no. people with big bits of equipment build roads.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> people with hard hats, and high viz jackets.
[16:22] <M0GHY> IT_Sean: the normally want cash for it
[16:22] <IT_Sean> and diggers and things.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> oh
[16:22] <IT_Sean> yes.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> they do, don't they. :|
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[16:51] <Faperdaper> :D
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[17:38] <Davespice> hello all
[17:39] * IT_Sean lobs a wad of wet tissue at Davespice
[17:39] * Davespice blinks
[17:39] <IT_Sean> (don't take it the wrong way... that's judt my usual greeting)
[17:39] <IT_Sean> *just
[17:39] <IT_Sean> hello!
[17:39] <Davespice> hi! =)
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[18:07] <Davespice> anyone here in posession of an alpha or beta board?
[18:07] <Stskeeps> <-
[18:15] <traeak> how are you using now?
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[18:20] <IT_Sean> someone just handed me a really mangled floppy disk andf asked if i oculd recover anything off of it
[18:20] <IT_Sean> It was nearly bent at a 90 degree angle
[18:20] <IT_Sean> looks like it's been run over
[18:21] <traeak> heh, floppy disks still exist?
[18:21] <Davespice> wow
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Apparently
[18:21] <Davespice> maybe they need to understand the concept of byte rot
[18:21] <traeak> what's the chance it waasn't degraded already ?
[18:21] <IT_Sean> and more to the point, i managed to get nearly all the files of of it! :p
[18:21] <Davespice> oh good one =)
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[18:21] <Davespice> what was on it?
[18:22] <IT_Sean> Massaged it back into a mostly flat sort of shape, ripped the metal shutter off, cause it was bent, and tossed it into a floppy drive. :p
[18:22] <IT_Sean> Davespice: Important Files
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[18:22] <traeak> important enough to bend up like mad
[18:22] * Davespice chuckles
[18:23] <traeak> i'm guessing a 5.25" floppy ?
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[18:24] <IT_Sean> 3.5 1.44mb Imation
[18:24] <traeak> those normally crack, not bend i thought
[18:24] <IT_Sean> i'll post photos of it in the forum tonight
[18:25] <Davespice> so I guess the original owner of the files didn't want anyone to read them, hence the bending?
[18:25] <IT_Sean> i dunno
[18:26] <Davespice> not a very good attemt at killing the disk anyway I suppose? =)
[18:26] <Davespice> scissors, choppy chop chop
[18:26] <traeak> shredder
[18:26] <IT_Sean> kill it with fire, i always say
[18:26] <IT_Sean> most shredders don't like the metal bits of floppies
[18:26] <Davespice> yeah, that destroys the magnetism - best way
[18:33] <Davespice> okay, have a good weekend all, cheers!
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[20:13] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[20:37] <ahven> frozen at ??2100
[20:37] <ahven> seems that is the limit
[20:38] <traeak> he
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[20:41] <IT_Sean> 2100 quid is pretty respecable for a beta board :p
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[21:33] * uriah thinks the raspberry pi foundation should order 20000 more right away due to the upcoming demand... they're going to be swamped :P
[21:33] * t_dot_zilla is going to buy 2000
[21:34] <uriah> unfortunately they probably won't have the funding for that until the first 10K are sold
[21:34] <uriah> t_dot_zilla: they're only going to be selling 1 per person at first
[21:34] <p07gbar> damn :P
[21:34] * t_dot_zilla has 2000 aliases
[21:34] <p07gbar> they'll be pretty handy for embedded stuff...like the beagleboard but cheaper
[21:34] <t_dot_zilla> insanely cheaper
[21:35] <p07gbar> infact its insane that this hasnt already been done comercially
[21:35] <t_dot_zilla> p07gbar: btw... pandaboard is better than beagleboard
[21:35] <p07gbar> I know that
[21:35] <t_dot_zilla> for the price
[21:35] <p07gbar> still like ?100 I dont have
[21:35] <uriah> heh
[21:36] <uriah> alright, gtg... later
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[22:11] <mdavey> t_dot_zilla: you'll need 2000 snail mail addresses
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[22:12] * t_dot_zilla has that covered
[22:12] <IT_Sean>
[22:12] * mdavey is lucky - lives at 3-7 high street :D
[22:12] <p07gbar> 2000 accounts?
[22:25] <rm> <uriah> t_dot_zilla: they're only going to be selling 1 per person at first
[22:25] <rm> really?
[22:25] <rm> where's that from?
[22:25] <t_dot_zilla> dont ask me
[22:26] <warddr> mdavey, just get your own domain name with a catch all, that will give you milions of e-mailadresse
[22:27] <mdavey> warddr: its snail mail addresses (pysical addresses) you need lots of, not e-mail addresses ;D
[22:27] <warddr> Oh I see
[22:27] <mdavey> rm: from Liz, the marketing person at R.Pi
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[22:27] <warddr> My adres bus A, bus B bus C , ....
[22:28] <warddr> *should be box A box B in english I guess
[22:29] <mdavey> warddr: Your only hope is to invent lots of flats/appartments at your address. This one is for Flat 1B, this one is for Flat 1B, ...
[22:29] <mdavey> 1A, 1B, etc even
[22:30] <warddr> That's what I was trying to say, but my english knowledge didn't allow to explain that very well
[22:31] <rm> mdavey, any link to a forum/wiki/faq entry on that?
[22:31] <rm> because this is too bad to be true :)
[22:32] <warddr> We were planning to buy as a bulk with the Antwerp hackerspace to reduce shipping costs, but this would be an additional cost for everyone
[22:32] <traeak> all right, if only one per addy I can get one!
[22:32] <rm> that certainly ensures they will sell out slower.. but I was going to get 2-3
[22:32] <traeak> warddr: if you just wait a little bit then you can buy in bulk
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[22:33] <rm> my suggestion to them would be up to five per person
[22:34] <traeak> rm: sounds like your agenda :-p
[22:35] <traeak> if they sell out too slowly then they'll start to open up bulk orders
[22:35] <IT_Sean> the one per person rule is temporary, guys. Have patients.
[22:35] <traeak> at least they're not auctioning off the first 10k run
[22:35] <rm> I don't have any patients, I'm not a sodding doctor :P
[22:36] <traeak> again, the biggest motivation for the 1 sale per user is to get it into as many hands as possible to fill out the software library
[22:36] <traeak> the assumption is that spreading them out to a maximum number of people will facilitate this best
[22:36] <traeak> i'm sure you can argue with that to *some* degree
[22:36] <traeak> but the cost is you'll have to wait a little bit for bulk orders
[22:37] <traeak> ie: if an individual wants one, they'll order it....don't go ordering for "other people" (fleabay whore i guess)
[22:38] <warddr> This will also mean some of them will show up on ebay, for $30 or $40
[22:38] <Da|Mummy> people who sell charity on ebay are scum
[22:38] <traeak> you mean the one per address ?
[22:38] <warddr> yes
[22:38] <traeak> the bulk orders are more prone to fleabay whorage
[22:39] <traeak> unless the fleabayers have a multi address scam already set up
[22:39] <mdavey> rm: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/order-limit/page-3 is an old thread. I see if I can find a more recent thread stating the same. But it will be a time-limited restriction. As soon as they have the pipeline setup and the initial surge drops a little, they'll lift the restriction. The aim is to ensure that as many people as possible get units from the first batch or two.
[22:39] <warddr> I can easily think of 30 adresses of friends and family to ship one to
[22:39] <Jarii> :D
[22:40] <rm> the problem is, they all will have to show up at the post office
[22:40] <rm> and present their ID
[22:40] <rm> in order to receive the package
[22:40] <rm> where I am
[22:40] <Jarii> not here :P
[22:41] <warddr> Here the postman will ring the bell and ask the id, if not you get a paper to go collect it. on that payper you can write the id number of another person who can go collect for you
[22:41] <Jarii> yeah, exactly the same here
[22:43] <warddr> Jarii, but italy is a difficult country to get things sent to. I know chineese shops who will ship around the globe, to every single banana republic, but refuse to ship to italy.
[22:43] <rm> oh, and I wonder something
[22:43] <rm> "first 10K"
[22:43] <Jarii> first time I hear such a thing, warddr
[22:43] <rm> of both model A and model B (i.e. 20k in total)
[22:43] <rm> or 10k in total, then in which proportion?
[22:44] <rm> anyone seen that asked/replied?
[22:44] <traeak> it ends up stolen in italy ?
[22:45] <rm> warddr, btw seen that alot too
[22:45] <warddr> Jarii, first random item on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Arduino-Ultrasonic-Module-HC-SR04-Distance-Sensor-/270755218294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0a44c376
[22:45] <rm> on e-bay there's commonly something like "We do not ship to APO/FPO and Italy"
[22:45] <rm> also there's some other countries like Brazil, sometimes
[22:45] <warddr> traeak, mafia I guess
[22:45] <Jarii> warddr, I think it depends on our importation laws
[22:47] <warddr> import laws are made up in europe, since there are open borders
[22:47] <Jarii> not exactly
[22:48] <Jarii> anyway, I'm going to order just 1 raspberry pi, so don't panic :P
[22:48] <mdavey> More recent statement saying the same thing: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/sales-date/page-4
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[22:50] <mdavey> rm: 10k total in the first batch. I don't think the Foundation has stated exactly how many of each, they were talking arounf 1/3 model A and 2/3 model B
[22:50] <rm> mdavey, thank you very much
[22:52] <mdavey> exactly when the next 10k gets ordered depends on how many people choose to do buy 1 gift one. The more gifted, the sooner they can order the second batch or the more units they can order for the second batch, as they won't be sending out the gifted units in the first month or two.
[22:55] <traeak> "As it starts to drive papers and presentations at academic conferences"
[22:55] <traeak> pretty sure using rpi as an academic reference platform will happen
[22:56] <mdavey> Either way, there will probably be a couple of weeks of unavailability until the second batch is available to be sold. After that, the gaps between batches should reduce/disappear as the pipeline settles down.
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[23:37] <ukscone> evening all
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[23:38] <xlq> Good evening scone.
[23:39] <kcj> Heh. Just looked at the current price for #1. It actually made me gasp.
[23:40] <rm> how much?
[23:40] <rm> and also, are they at least numbered physically?
[23:40] <kcj> ?2,450.00
[23:40] <p07gbar> most expensive computer :P
[23:40] <p07gbar> most expensive least expensive*
[23:41] <kcj> Yeah.
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[23:42] <ukscone> if it's that price before the sniping i dread to think what the final price will be
[23:43] <kcj> Dread?
[23:43] <xlq> Heh, I read that as "price before shipping"
[23:43] <rm> same here
[23:43] <kcj> lol
[23:43] <p07gbar> xlq same
[23:44] <xlq> Obviously there are too many 1p + ??20 shipping items on eBay :P
[23:45] <p07gbar> 2450 + 200,00 shipping
[23:45] <ukscone> hmmmm should i drink the coffee i made yesterday and has been kept warm for 38 hours or have a cup of tea?
[23:45] <kcj> Tea.
[23:46] <ukscone> but that requires getting out of bed and walking 20 feet to the kitchen
[23:47] <kcj> Drink the coffee to get enough energy to make tea?
[23:47] <p07gbar> which would you prefer?
[23:50] <ukscone> i'd prefer for someone to make me a cup of tea but its only me and the cats here atm
[23:50] <p07gbar> train the cats?
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[23:51] <ukscone> might take a while to gt the cup of tea -- probably a couple of months
[23:52] <p07gbar> youd make plenty in the act of training them...
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[23:55] <mdavey> What is it with board 3 vs 7? Board 7, 11 bids, ??700; Board 3, 64 bids, ??740
[23:55] <p07gbar> haha much more affordable computers :P
[23:58] <mdavey> but tiny bid increments on board3, big jumps on 7, end up at almost the same price.
[23:59] <p07gbar> good point

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