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IRC Log for 2012-01-07

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[0:00] <ukscone> mdavey: i notice that liz is going to be in vegas when the auctions finish. you reckon she's going to try to parlay the final bids on the roulette table? :)
[0:00] <mdavey> ukscone: :D
[0:00] <ukscone> should have told her to put a few quid on black 28 for me
[0:00] <ukscone> i always do well on that number for some reason
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[0:01] <p07gbar> you mean you always bet on it?
[0:01] <ukscone> 1 year on my way to a christmas party in leicester i stopped at the casino and black 28 came up 4 times in a row
[0:02] <ukscone> went in with 200 quid came out with 2000 quid
[0:02] <piofcube> With that kind of money you might be able to bid for a R-Pi board ;-)
[0:03] <ukscone> yeah pity it was er 23 years ago :)
[0:04] <ukscone> mdavey: did you watch eternal law yesterday?
[0:05] <mdavey> nope
[0:05] <ukscone> what a weird premise for a tv programme
[0:05] <ukscone> angels as lawyers :)
[0:06] <ukscone> i d/l'ed it and watched today just because i couldn't see how the hell they could turn it into a decent programme -- i still can't see how
[0:06] <mdavey> so was it?
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[0:06] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[0:06] <piofcube> The auctions are great for the R-Pi Foundation... but boy... Last time I looked, the total highest bids on them boards are more than what Open Indie Project Dot Org is allowed to take in during the first year as a non-profit... makes you think LOL
[0:08] <ukscone> mdavey: dunno. it had some good parts but it's just the whole idea that seems off the wall and when you consider some of the good dramas/mysteries itv have produced in the last 20 years or so it seems like a fail
[0:16] <warddr> I know a few pogo plug hosters out there, would one be able to buy a dedicated R Pi server anywhere soon?
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[11:36] <mdavey> price of r.pi #10 has gone *down*
[11:37] <ahven> uh, down?
[11:38] <ahven> how is that possible?
[11:39] <ahven> ah, retraction
[11:40] <ahven> and #1 is at 2.5k :)
[11:40] <Jarii> only 11h 28m left for #10 !
[11:41] <rm> not the most convenient system for buyers, when all 10 are auctioned independently
[11:41] <rm> e.g. someone might not care which number they get
[11:49] <paulmcmn> with the price they are at, the buyers are not going to be too concerned
[11:49] <paulmcmn> most will use it for a tax writeoff or similar.
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[11:57] <mdavey> rm: the team read up on game theory and auction strategies. Apparently, while not necessarily the most friendly for bidders, this structure should maximise profits for the charity.
[11:58] <rm> exactly
[11:58] <rm> a different structure would make it massively cheaper for buyers in total
[11:58] <rm> i.e. take a number of bids, and top-10 bidders get boards
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[12:42] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[14:06] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[15:04] <mdavey> rm: for different structure, you need to wait ~1 month.
[15:04] <rm> sure
[15:10] <xlq> Can eBay even help sell N items to the highest N bidders?
[15:22] <mdavey> xlq: yes, but research shows that a lower price is achieved when auctioning like that, hence the construction of the R.Pi auction with two boards a day auctioned, one each at ~ 22:00 and 23:59 GMT.
[15:22] <xlq> Hmm.
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[15:26] <Laurenceb_> lol bid price has gone down
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[16:12] <xlq> O_o
[16:12] <xlq> #1 is up to ??2,500 though
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[16:13] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[18:13] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[18:44] <ukscone> morning all
[18:44] <ahven> hello
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[19:07] <selvmarcus> hi
[19:08] <haltdef> sup
[19:08] <selvmarcus> anyone here with a piece of pi?
[19:08] <selvmarcus> I mean a real board?
[19:12] <haltdef> this is the first activity since I first joined here a few hours ago, so no idea :P
[19:12] <selvmarcus> I see it as a cheap 3D graphics and media player subsystem, for my purposes. I wait to see if it can be more.
[19:13] <WASDx> haltdef: it is generally a bit more active than it is now
[19:13] <haltdef> yeah I figured I just joined during a quiet time
[19:13] <selvmarcus> what's the time?
[19:14] <xlq> 18:13 UTC
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[19:14] <WASDx> selvmarcus: it can be anything :) i will run a webserver on mine and my irssi session
[19:14] <selvmarcus> one hour later here
[19:14] <haltdef> I don't have a practical use for one tbh
[19:14] <haltdef> I still want one so badly
[19:15] <WASDx> yeah, it's so cool haltdef
[19:15] <WASDx> just a small computer that can do anything
[19:15] <haltdef> maybe see if I can install gentoo on it .. not to use as my main OS, just to see if I can
[19:15] <selvmarcus> WASDX: I need low latency for audio processing. I will see.
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[19:16] <haltdef> from what I can tell no binary graphic drivers are needed after the initial gpu binary blob?
[19:16] <selvmarcus> It is nice for the graphics, the GPU is alright.
[19:17] <Stskeeps> 'lo haltdef
[19:17] <haltdef> Stskeeps!
[19:17] <Stskeeps> you pop up everywhere :)
[19:17] <selvmarcus> haltdef: I think so too. Kernel drivers would be open.
[19:18] <haltdef> eying up meego for the raspi I guess? :P
[19:18] <Stskeeps> haltdef: mer, meego's dead
[19:18] <selvmarcus> The blob is linked to by trap, like a supervisor, I speculate. Waiting for confirmation.
[19:18] <haltdef> ah yes
[19:18] <Stskeeps> haltdef: GPU blob will load linux kernel for you (ARM side is a bit of an afterthought). kernel drivers are all open. libGLESv2/EGL are closed source but that's standard on ARM distributions
[19:18] <Stskeeps> no xorg driver to close
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[19:18] <haltdef> that was my understanding
[19:19] <Stskeeps> they're likely to be redistributable as far as i can tell
[19:19] <selvmarcus> Blob is running on CPU or GPU?
[19:19] <haltdef> going to attempt a stage3 gentoo install from an amd64 host
[19:19] <haltdef> what could possibly go wrong
[19:20] <Stskeeps> selvmarcus: there's a blob in /boot partition that is basically the GPU firmware. then there is a libEGL/GLESv2 implementation for CPU side, and open kernel drivers
[19:20] <haltdef> how is the kernel told where to look for the rootfs?
[19:20] <selvmarcus> Stskeeps: thanks
[19:20] <Stskeeps> haltdef: there's a cmdline kind of thing, else you can always hardcode it in your kernel
[19:20] <selvmarcus> it starts the first thing in fat on SD card, I read
[19:21] <haltdef> I haven't ventured into the kernel's menuconfig for some time :P
[19:21] <Stskeeps> basically, people can complain a lot about the GPU parts, but i've seen much much worse situations :P
[19:21] <haltdef> mm, I don't see why all the hate over the closed gpu
[19:21] <selvmarcus> I need to know about the latency
[19:22] <Stskeeps> latency?
[19:22] <haltdef> it's not like broadcom are forcing us to use a binary linux driver
[19:22] <selvmarcus> How long the CPU or memorybus is blocked by Blobbing around
[19:22] <haltdef> right, dog is harassing me
[19:22] <haltdef> walkies
[19:23] <selvmarcus> Where is framebuffer, in main memory? Can it render to another buffer anywhere in memory?
[19:24] <xlq> And is it possible to do simple framebuffer output without running closed-source code on the CPU? (It would be important for playing with OS development).
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[19:24] <Stskeeps> simple framebuffer is possible without closed source on the cpu
[19:24] <selvmarcus> xlq: I think it is, somebody said so.
[19:25] <selvmarcus> Has GPU its own framebuffer?
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[19:25] <Stskeeps> i think it's better to think of it as layers
[19:25] <Stskeeps> ie, framebuffer is one, gles can be on top, etc
[19:25] <Stskeeps> kinda like STBs has multiple layers
[19:26] <selvmarcus> STBs?
[19:26] <Stskeeps> set top boxes
[19:26] <selvmarcus> so, all rendering to fb in main memory?
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[19:26] <Stskeeps> i don't know the exact details, but i have a linux fbcon just fine
[19:27] <selvmarcus> you got a pi?
[19:28] <Stskeeps> yeah, we (as in us from Mer) have a few to develop Mer on it - i just did a hardfp (pass floating point values in register) port for armv6 for it as well
[19:28] <Stskeeps> in order to help have a smoother start for pi
[19:28] <Stskeeps> have to hand them back eventually of course, i plan on buying a few of my own
[19:29] <selvmarcus> great, could you run a jack_delay check for me? http://apps.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests
[19:30] <selvmarcus> It is a bit of an effort, though
[19:31] <selvmarcus> We want to use this as a cheap fx device with usb audio, like a programmable stompbox
[19:31] <Stskeeps> that looks like something i'd need to solder in order to do :)
[19:31] <selvmarcus> We need latencies roundtrip below 10 ms
[19:32] <selvmarcus> Actually below 2 would be good..
[19:32] <selvmarcus> But USB is not ideal for this anyway
[19:32] <Stskeeps> i suppose ethernet is too slow?
[19:32] <selvmarcus> audiocards for ethernet are rather rare, I guess
[19:33] <ukscone> http://www.therestartpage.com/ :)
[19:33] <xlq> I would guess that ethernet is even more jittery than USB.
[19:34] <selvmarcus> xlq: would be ok if latency very low, just buffer
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[19:34] <selvmarcus> xlq: you may be right
[19:35] <xlq> ukscone: It doesn't have "It is now safe to turn off your computer" in orange letters.
[19:36] <selvmarcus> also missing: do you really want to use this axe?
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[19:37] <selvmarcus> has anyone seen cdak demo 4k? it is great.
[19:37] <selvmarcus> I wonder if such thing could run on Pi
[19:39] <selvmarcus> But top level 700$ ATI GPU about 250 times faster than Raspberry Pi GPU.
[19:43] <WASDx> hehe
[19:43] <WASDx> I think the RPi GPU is as good as a computer 15 years ago?
[19:44] <WASDx> So in 15 years we will hopefully have singleboard computers as powerful as regular computers are today!
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[19:48] <zear> hard to expect a powerful gpu from a $25 computer :)
[19:48] <ahven> but can 15 years old computer handle 1080p? :)
[19:49] <xlq> Much less than 15 years ago, I reckon.
[19:49] <zear> besides, there's more than enough games that will run on rpi to ever think of gpu accelerated ones
[19:50] <xlq> kfouleggs :D
[19:51] <zear> xlq, i'
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[19:51] <zear> *i'm actually thinking of the sdl ones
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[19:52] <zear> Duke Nukem 3D, Doom series, Quake series, Cave Story, HOMM2, Commander Keen series, Shadow Warrior, Descent 1/2, not to mention a possibility of porting Myth 2 or some games from Humble Bundle
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[19:56] <selvmarcus> I am happy with the gpu if it can render to main memory and driver is written in a way not to hog cpu
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[20:19] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[20:19] <haltdef> :O
[20:22] <WASDx> that's the best quote
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[20:44] <ahven> http://www.maplin.co.uk/s-vhs-composite-video-convertor-28733
[20:44] <ahven> hmm, that is an interesting product
[20:45] <ahven> though I have a scart dongle that has rca left & right audio in + rca video in
[20:50] <xlq> Is that just a passive filter?
[20:53] <ahven> from my point of view, it just makes one system able to connect with other cabling system :)
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[21:02] <datagutt> Sorry for my weird nick changes
[21:02] <datagutt> lol
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[22:00] <victhor> hi xlq
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[22:47] <paulmcmn> 20 mins left for #10
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[22:48] <haltdef> jesus, 1.9k
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> price has gone down
[22:51] <haltdef> ?
[22:51] <victhor> it used to be 2100
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> was 2.1k
[22:51] <haltdef> for #10?
[22:51] <victhor> yes
[22:52] <haltdef> aw
[22:52] <haltdef> still incredible tbh
[22:53] <haltdef> #1 at 2.5k still
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[23:02] <warddr> 2,5k pound That's like the price of 3 high-end gaming computers....
[23:03] <haltdef> my pretty damn good laptop cost ??1k :P
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[23:03] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[23:04] <haltdef> will ebay and paypal take a significant amount?
[23:04] <Jarii> 5 minutes left for #10 !
[23:04] <warddr> paypal about 3,5% I think, I don't know if ebay charges something for charity projects
[23:05] <warddr> I just see that ebay doesn't charge any costs for charity sells, so I think it's only the paypal costs
[23:07] <warddr> and that #10 board can only be shipped to the UK
[23:08] <kcj> Nope.
[23:08] <warddr> 3 people tried to make the price go up by bidding 2000 pound and 2100 pound, and after that took their bid away
[23:09] <haltdef> ??1900 it is
[23:10] <warddr> not bad, they can produce a 130 RP's for that price
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[23:22] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
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[23:23] <haltdef> nothing to see her
[23:23] <haltdef> e
[23:24] <IT_Sean> oh?
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[23:32] <WASDx> So #10 just went for ??2100?
[23:33] <haltdef> 1900
[23:34] <WASDx> ok, just read the previous messages
[23:34] <haltdef> 9 more to go, none under ??700 atm
[23:34] <haltdef> going well I'd say :P
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[23:54] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
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