#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-09

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:02] <Amantis> Hey could I hook this thing up to a touch screen
[0:04] <wwalker> :)
[0:06] <Skummel> Amantis probably yes
[0:07] <Amantis> Neat
[0:07] <Amantis> If I can do it sucsessfully, I'll try to make one of those futuristic smart-home control panels
[0:07] <ReggieUK> anything you can plug into an arduino will most likely work on a pi
[0:08] <ReggieUK> might have to write some code to interface with it but it's all very doable
[0:09] <Amantis> I know literally 0 about code
[0:09] <ReggieUK> gonna have to hope there's some linux code kicking around then
[0:10] <Amantis> Ok thats not true I know 10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU"; 20 GOTO 10
[0:10] <WASDx> Amantis: coding is fun :)
[0:14] <warddr> Amantis, but that's Commodore language, GOTO is not reccomended anymore these days
[0:15] <WASDx> I remember when i learned programming. I had a little knowledge of what GOTO was
[0:15] <ahven> I used it pretty widely, also gosub
[0:15] <WASDx> It was in java, and "goto" is reserved even though it cant be used
[0:15] <ahven> under quick basic, that is :P
[0:15] <WASDx> so i tried goto in all kinds of ways but nothing worked.
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[1:14] <ahven> You?re not just an arsehole. You?re also banned.
[1:14] <ahven> instant win :)
[1:16] <ahven> woah
[1:16] <amandarn> Am I !?
[1:16] <ahven> 3300 pounds!
[1:16] <ahven> on #1
[1:16] <ahven> amandarn: comment by Liz on the latest article :)
[1:17] <amandarn> I'll read this
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[1:20] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[1:21] <IT_Sean> o/
[1:21] <ahven> IT_Sean: have you seen the price on #1 yet? :)
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[1:21] <ahven> latest bid, I mean
[1:21] <IT_Sean> i haven't. what is it up to?
[1:21] <ahven> 3300 :)
[1:21] <IT_Sean> wow
[1:21] <IT_Sean> i am still betting on a final proce of ??4500
[1:21] <IT_Sean> *price
[1:22] <ahven> 3 days to go, anything can happen
[1:22] <amandarn> Damn
[1:22] <amandarn> That's a lot of money I don't own :(
[1:22] <IT_Sean> I think we need to start a betting pool on it. Nearest without going over. :p
[1:22] <IT_Sean> yeah... i haven't got ??3000 for a raspi
[1:23] <ahven> they can equip quite a few classrooms with that money
[1:23] <IT_Sean> indeed
[1:25] <ahven> I wonder who retracted on #10
[1:25] <ahven> It was on 2500 for some time, I remember
[1:25] <amandarn> I wanted to equipe my association... I hope there'll be enough
[1:25] <ahven> but the ending bid was 1900
[1:26] <ahven> 2100*
[1:26] <IT_Sean> ??2100 is still not bad
[1:26] <ahven> 1900 was the ending, 2100 was the "wrong" amount
[1:26] <ahven> as the history log states
[1:26] <IT_Sean> ahh
[1:26] <IT_Sean> still
[1:26] <IT_Sean> ??1900 is pretty tasty.
[1:27] <ahven> so in total they should be getting 10-12k?
[1:27] <ahven> if the bids make some interesting leaps again :P
[1:29] <ahven> so ~500 B-pi's or ~750 A-pi's
[1:29] <ahven> very rough estimate
[1:30] <IT_Sean> I'm betting on #1 continuing to go up. IMO, it's the most desirable number.
[1:32] <ahven> if a big organisation wants to fund charity, that could go up easily even more
[1:32] <ahven> look at humblebundle contributors
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[1:33] <ahven> $16k in the first place :)
[1:35] <rm> I still haven't seen an answer on whether or not they are physically numbered
[1:35] <ahven> rm: yes they are
[1:36] <rm> is that on any of the photos? :)
[1:36] <ahven> Liz told under the article / in the forums
[1:36] <ahven> physical + software (ROM) inscription
[1:40] <ahven> I think they haven't taken photos of them after numbering
[1:43] <ahven> and sleep I go
[1:43] <IT_Sean> nite
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[2:13] <IT_Sean> am i still here?
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[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> that's it. time to MAC filter my brother's computer >=/
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[8:50] <ahven> good boy
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[10:05] <Skummel> lol, ShiftPlusOne. I've done that once or twice when mine have pissed me off :)
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> the jerk used all the bandwidth and not is still running bittorrent when the internet is capped (making it impossible to even load a webpage). I had to tell him to turn it off 6 times. >=/
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> But now he's just struggling with his computer not letting him connect to the wifi for some strange reason.
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[10:08] <Skummel> normally, i'm the brother doing that, but problem is, i'm the only one who knows the pw to the admin interface on the router :D
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, fair enough.
[10:23] <ahven> my brother & sister are living far away from eachother, or we would be racing to hog the bw to ourselves :P
[10:24] <ahven> if we would be happening to live together, for some strange reason :)
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[11:28] <haltdef> capping brothers to 56k is more fun :D
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[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> if only I knew how
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[11:55] <haltdef> toastman's tomato fork on a wnr3500l does it for me
[11:56] <haltdef> could probably apply QoS so his torrenting doesn't break everything without a hard limit too
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[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> QoS is a pita on my router
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> how is the wnr3500l anyway? doesn't crap out from p2p like my router does, right?
[12:11] <haltdef> define "crap out"
[12:11] <haltdef> it doesn't crash or anything
[12:11] <haltdef> not with this firmware anyway, I never tried stock
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[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mine doesn't crash either, but becomes unusable.
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[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> but I am sure that wouldn't be a problem with QoS on your router, right?
[12:14] <haltdef> internet slows down to unusable or does its webui as well?
[12:14] <haltdef> yea, I'm seeding without any caps atm, it's fine
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> usually, just the internet.
[12:15] <haltdef> yeah, sounds like qos would help
[12:15] <haltdef> stock firmware probably won't do a good job but some sort of tomato based firmware would
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> haltdef,and you didn't have to lower the maximum number of connections in your torrent client, right?
[12:16] <haltdef> I got mine for ??30 used on ebay to replace my wrt54gs v1.1 :P
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I don't keep stock firmware for anything. =)
[12:16] <haltdef> I left that at the default 200
[12:16] <haltdef> you using dd-wrt now or something?
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> no, the current one isn't supported by any third party software
[12:17] <haltdef> ick
[12:17] <haltdef> yea, the wnr3500l is netgear's modern answer to the wrt54gl
[12:17] <haltdef> tons of ram and flash, linux out of the box
[12:18] <haltdef> asus do a mental one with 128MB of ram that'll do the same thing too I believe, simultaneous dual band N
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... let's see if the bank account permits.
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, lol
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah well, bookmarked for now.
[12:19] <haltdef> they're far too expensive new :P
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> there's only one up for auction on ebay and that's still 4 days away
[12:20] <haltdef> I stumbled upon a guy with a ton of them on buy it now
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there are plenty 'buy it now' ones, but for more than I am able to spend.
[12:21] <haltdef> mm
[12:22] <haltdef> old wrt54g (<v4) would work too, if your internet connection is 20mbps or less
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just wait till my brother complains about not being able to connect and explain to him that the router is old and crappy and we probably need a new one.
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> (nuh I wouldn't do that.... but tempted)
[12:23] <haltdef> is it your connection?
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[12:23] <haltdef> maybe I'm just mean but if I was in your position I'd tell him to stop torrenting or fuck off :>
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[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, nuh, the passive agressive MAC filtering works fine.
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I am interested in a new router for MY torrenting. =)
[12:25] <haltdef> two torrenters on a network is fun
[12:25] <haltdef> a network attached to an australian isp too, even more fun :P
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, we have great internet here in Australia =/
[12:26] <haltdef> govt is funding FTTH for everyone aren't they
[12:26] <haltdef> cappy but fast
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, they're kind of making a half arsed attempt
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, with the wrt54g, why <v4?
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[12:28] <haltdef> newer versions aren't good
[12:28] <haltdef> dd-wrt is the best you can hope for, which is a bit pants
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure it's better than stock.
[12:32] <haltdef> better than stock doesn't always equal usable :P
[12:32] <haltdef> it's just a disaster on my wndr4000
[12:32] <haltdef> wifi speeds of 9MB/s, pppoe completely broken
[12:32] <haltdef> stock fw does 25MB/s and pppoe does work :P
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
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[14:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[14:47] <ahven> !w
[14:51] <victhor> !e
[14:51] <piofcube> !x
[14:51] <piofcube> lol
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[15:21] <cousteau> do RP come with a pre-installed Debian? (or Arch or something)
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[15:22] <haltdef> they don't come with any storage at all
[15:22] <haltdef> at least not the first batch, I don't know if future batches will
[15:23] <haltdef> I'm hearing you'll be able to download debian, fedora and arch images to plonk on your own sd card from the site though
[15:23] <cousteau> ok, so I need my own SD... I guess I need to pre-install whatever I want there
[15:23] <cousteau> oh, ready images would be nice
[15:23] <IT_Sean> But, you will be able to buy a pre-made OS SD card.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> it is, of course, an optional extra.
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[15:24] <ReggieUK> wow, $25 unit and people still expect an SD card to come with it too :D
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[15:24] <IT_Sean> :p
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[15:24] <haltdef> could probably get away with a 2GB one
[15:25] <cousteau> ReggieUK, yes, I was kind of dumb there...
[15:25] <haltdef> my ZTE blade came with a 2GB microsd, and I should have an adapter somewhere
[15:25] <cousteau> didn't think that it wouldn't have any storage at all
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[15:25] <izua> hello
[15:25] <ReggieUK> SD cards are so cheap these days
[15:25] <izua> how do i purchase a board?
[15:26] <izua> the site's shop only seems to offer stickers =)
[15:26] <cousteau> this is because I saw a video of a Linux boot that instead of the penguin that appears on Knoppix and similar had a raspberry
[15:26] <haltdef> you can't yet
[15:26] <IT_Sean> izua: they aren't out yet
[15:26] <izua> ah.
[15:26] <izua> what sort of control would one have over the GPIO?
[15:26] <ReggieUK> and if there isn't already, I'm sure there will be a tool that will dump the OS image and kernel and boot stuff to a card for you
[15:26] <haltdef> you could always bid on one of the beta boards on ebay :P
[15:26] <izua> can you expect near-real time control, like you'd have on a bare-metal software on a regular microcontroller?
[15:26] <ReggieUK> cousteau, yeah, they swapped out the bootsplash :D
[15:27] <cousteau> hmm, I guess instead of buying a board I could build my own... does RP foundation offer facilities for this?
[15:27] <cousteau> board layouts, component lists and the like
[15:27] <ReggieUK> it's running on a non-real time os, so it'll run as fast as it can whilst servicing the rest of the OS
[15:27] <haltdef> you won't be able to get your hands on a single SoC
[15:27] <IT_Sean> you would not be able to assemble the board without specalized equipment anyway
[15:27] <izua> hmm, good point
[15:28] <cousteau> well, maybe people at the electronics department of my university can...
[15:28] <ReggieUK> how many layers is the board?
[15:28] <ReggieUK> 4 or 6?
[15:28] <izua> and speaking of that - are the chips BGA?
[15:28] <IT_Sean> izua: yes
[15:28] <ReggieUK> yes, bga
[15:28] * izua is also interested in assembling them
[15:28] <cousteau> (although I've heard horrible stories of scholarship students having to manually solder SMD components)
[15:28] <ReggieUK> it's the routing that would be a pain in the arse
[15:28] <cousteau> oh, Ball Grid Array... no way then
[15:29] <izua> aren't there gerber files out there?
[15:29] <IT_Sean> the Org will NOT be selling bare baords.
[15:29] <izua> or they aren't published?
[15:29] <ReggieUK> and a bga chip wouldn't be a big deal for someone with hot air or a toaster oven
[15:29] <cousteau> also, several layers (more than 2)... eww
[15:29] <cousteau> I think I'll have to wait
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[15:29] <cousteau> oh, hot air? so that's what it is for?
[15:30] <cousteau> I think my department has some of them
[15:30] <ReggieUK> and of course there's all those itty bitty smt parts, anyone fancy a go at hand placing them suckers?
[15:30] <cousteau> well, I have to go... I'll keep dreaming with one of these boards
[15:30] <IT_Sean> No thanks ReggieUK, they are apocalyptically tiny!
[15:30] <izua> chips with interpin distance of 0.5mm or so can be hand soldered
[15:30] <ReggieUK> hotair is mainly used for rework
[15:30] <haltdef> there are similar boards if you must have one now, just cost a lot more
[15:30] <izua> with a regular soldering iron, too!
[15:31] <izua> but the bga's are the $_ANTIGOD's work
[15:31] <izua> s/bga's/bgas
[15:31] <cousteau> rough ETA for mass production? a month, 3 months, a year or so?
[15:31] <ReggieUK> izua, sure, hand soldering some parts is definitely easy
[15:31] <ReggieUK> but bga = hot-air, or oven or a steady hand with a blow-torch
[15:32] <cousteau> well, I have to go. I'll be back later.
[15:32] <ReggieUK> cya
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[15:32] <ReggieUK> with a ??100 hot air station you can easily do bga work
[15:33] <ReggieUK> some people by the bga reworking heads, others are more hardcore and just use the one that comes fitted :D
[15:33] <ReggieUK> buy*
[15:33] * izua is curious how the GPIO driver interface will work
[15:33] <haltdef> have you seen the gertboard video, izua?
[15:33] <haltdef> might be relevant
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[15:34] <izua> yeah, but it's essentially trading speed for pin#
[15:34] <izua> 8 pins, addressable from the kernel are more than enough for what i want
[15:35] <izua> also, i discovered this board about 3 hours ago :)
[15:35] <victhor> IIRC there are 6 GPIO pins on the connector. I think it might be possible to get more, but it depends on the multiplexing options
[15:36] <izua> aren't there 8?
[15:36] <izua> hm.
[15:36] <izua> or basically, 26, each with special functions
[15:36] <victhor> you're right, there are 8 GPIOs by default
[15:37] <izua> i believe you were thinking of the 6 reserved pins
[15:39] * izua is also curious if one could crosscompile gentoo for the board
[15:39] <haltdef> that's what I'm hoping to do
[15:39] <izua> i guess it can bedone, since debian works anyway
[15:39] <haltdef> just to see if I can tbh
[15:39] <izua> hehe
[15:39] <ReggieUK> was going to say, if debian works then it's not much of a leap to get other distros working
[15:39] <izua> i compiled a stage3 on my old mendocino, 300MHz server
[15:39] <izua> not _crosscompiled_
[15:39] <izua> not going to do that again, heh
[15:40] <haltdef> I'm thinking installing in qemu-arm might be easier
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[16:12] <ahven> and hello slashdot
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> not so many naysayers on slashdot now.
[16:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> give them tim
[16:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> e
[16:21] <haltdef> naysayers?
[16:21] <ahven> e.g. "this is vaporware!
[16:21] <victhor> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2611376&cid=38637332
[16:21] <piofcube> They used to be the knights that said nee but now they say nay ;-)
[16:21] <victhor> I am laughing so much at that
[16:22] <victhor> hey my broadcom gigabit ethernet adapter worked out of the box in a debian netinstall... I thought broadcom were "closed source bastards who keep all their hardware docs under secrecy" ;)
[16:23] <haltdef> are people still concerned about the binary blob for the gpu?
[16:23] <Stskeeps> not really
[16:24] <victhor> no, that comment I posted the link to is just a troll
[16:24] <victhor> the rhoumbus-tech board is not "a few weeks away", and it won't cost $15. It reminds me too much of the Pandora.
[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> in at least one of the comments the binary blob was mentioned
[16:24] <victhor> it will be released (if it is ever released) in 3 years (likely more), and will cost $150.
[16:24] <victhor> too many features for a too low price. If they manage to do it, good, but it's unlikely.
[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> "except with the Gertboard don't expect to be able to use any features in the chip that aren't put into the kernel by Eben and Gert"
[16:26] <ahven> victhor: yep, especially if they are for-profit
[16:27] <victhor> that "lkcl" guy that runs it is very delusional.
[16:27] <ahven> the only real way to do it is with a very big order
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[16:27] <victhor> yep
[16:27] <ahven> not 10k batches ;)
[16:27] <victhor> :)
[16:27] <victhor> he thinks every other development board project wants to kill his project... see his posts in the raspberry pi forums
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> have they actually got a prototype?
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> or.. a design?
[16:28] <victhor> I never heard of one
[16:28] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: that comment is obviously confused... but does the Gertboard come with a microprocessor, and if so does it come with source?
[16:29] <Dagger2> (there's one in the picture, but I seem to remember something about that being a socket for end-user use)
[16:29] <ahven> Dagger2: you are given the opportunity to assemble it yourself, with getting the parts yourself too'
[16:29] <ahven> so source is a probably yes
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> there's no black magic in the gertboard... it's something anyone can design without any issues.
[16:30] <Dagger2> ahven: could just be a .hex file to flash onto an appropriate chip
[16:30] <ahven> yep, I know, but probably a source too, if someone wants to play with it
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I think he was talking about the kernel's gpio interface though
[16:31] <ahven> it's just a medium
[16:31] <haltdef> hm, is the raspi unusable without drivers that aren't in the vanilla kernel?
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> it's usable, but you won't get much multimedia functionality... just a basic framebuffer.
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[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and you might have to write a driver for that yourself
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's just a matter of writting the data in the right memory location.
[16:32] <haltdef> yeah I only know some mirc script so that won't happen
[16:33] <izua> how exactly low level is the gertboard?
[16:33] <izua> is it a script that multiplexes some shift registers/sends data to a mcu?
[16:33] <ShiftPlusOne> as you see in the video
[16:34] <izua> i'd like to see a schematic, esentially
[16:34] <ahven> when it is release, that too is released
[16:34] <ahven> as Gert said
[16:34] <izua> ah
[16:34] <izua> so schematics will also be released with the main board?
[16:34] <ahven> yep
[16:34] <izua> neat.
[16:34] <ahven> so have I understood :)
[16:34] <izua> would any special hardware be needed if assembling a board from scratch?
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> again, there's no black magic. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411 you can see the chip names... you can see the traces.
[16:35] <ahven> Gert is currently working on an optimised version of Gertboard, and will be posting the schematic, manual and PCB design (Gerbers) when he?s done.
[16:35] <izua> not the gertboard, the mainboard
[16:35] <izua> i mean, like a jtag downloader, an eeprom flasher, or anything of the like?
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[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... you said gertboard before and didn't mention that you changed the subject.
[16:36] <ahven> main board will be assembled :)
[16:36] <izua> ahven: yes, but the schematics/gerbers will be released, which means i'm free to roll my own
[16:36] <ahven> and no flashing needed, everything is stored on the SD card
[16:36] <ahven> pretty much no bricking possibility
[16:37] <izua> translating my question in better terms - could the SOC flash itself from the sd?
[16:37] <izua> ah
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[16:37] <izua> but can the actual chip do that by itself?
[16:37] <izua> or will it need to be flashed before it can boot from the SD? :)
[16:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[16:37] <ahven> GPU boots from SD, reads the blob and fires up the kernel
[16:38] <izua> the 2835 that is
[16:38] <Davespice> it's a two stage boot, loads the gpu blob, that then loads the kernal image and starts the arm
[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> the chip has a bootloaded which loads it's software from the SD. You want to be able to flash that bootloader?
[16:38] <izua> i see
[16:39] <izua> no, i was curious if i needed a jtag downloader or other special programming hardware for the 'blob'
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> no, but without the bootloader, the blob is useless, so rolling your own probably won't be an option
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> even if you put chip availability aside
[16:39] <izua> ah, so the blob is stored on its internal flash, not on the card
[16:40] <Davespice> I would expect the foundation to provide a range of SD card images which people can just use for most purposes
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's on the card, but it's loaded by the bootloader.
[16:40] <izua> so it can't be written with commodity hardware (ie, a card reader/writer :)
[16:40] <izua> ah.
[16:40] <Davespice> no both are on the SD card
[16:40] <izua> so essentially, the soc can boot directly from the card
[16:40] <Davespice> the SD card will have two partitions
[16:40] <ahven> izua: bingo :P
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, how can the bootloader be on the SD card if the SD card is initialized by the bootloader?
[16:41] <izua> but it can do that 'by itself', so to say?
[16:41] <izua> ie, a brand new chip, right out from the factory, planted on the board, can boot from the card
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> don't think so
[16:41] <izua> or does it need to flash its internal program space to learn how to download data from the card?
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> that woul be my bet.
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> *would
[16:42] <izua> ah
[16:42] <Dagger2> we could tell if the datasheet were available :/
[16:42] <Davespice> as far as I know, the gpu uses partition 1 on the SD which will then fire up the kernal and start the arm - that will then boot from partition 2 on the sd card - which will probably be fat32
[16:42] <izua> yeah, i guess having extra silicon just to talk over the sd protocol is expensive
[16:43] <Davespice> partition 2 would then have your linux root file system on it
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, we're talking about what happens before that. HOW it uses the SD card.
[16:44] <Davespice> oh I see..., I'm sorry
[16:44] <Davespice> I would guess this must be in the reals of the Soc the Raspberry Pi has
[16:44] <Davespice> realms*
[16:45] <Davespice> so what is the concern?
[16:45] * izua is more interested in the hardware
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> That if you obtain the chip yourself and have access to a pick and place machine and try to build your own... you're still screwed.
[16:46] <Davespice> oh because that part of the design is not open?
[16:46] <izua> no, because you need a programmer to flash the chip
[16:46] <victhor> what I understood about the boot process is that the "kernel image" could be substituted for anything else,e.g. uboot.
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> victhor, yup
[16:47] <Davespice> yes, as long as it's built for the Arm
[16:47] <izua> one more thing - is the card connector SD or microDS?
[16:47] <Davespice> normal SD
[16:47] <ukscone> yup kernel.img is just an arm binary. it can be a kernel, uboot, any old arm code
[16:47] <izua> neat
[16:47] <izua> and.. does it use SPI or the full-blown SD card protocol?
[16:48] <Davespice> no idea on that one =)
[16:48] <ahven> the latter I think
[16:48] <izua> i know some chips, like STM32 can do SD in hardware for example
[16:48] <ahven> to enable the high speeds
[16:48] <Davespice> it'll use SDHC cards afaik
[16:48] <izua> sd == sdhc in terms of hardware
[16:48] <izua> it's just a byte somewhere in the protocol, and a different block size
[16:49] <izua> which tells them apart
[16:49] <izua> eh
[16:49] <izua> this raspberry pi is starting to look like the best idea i've come across lately
[16:50] <Davespice> indeed, I'm really looking forward to getting one
[16:50] <izua> oh, there are gerber outputs too
[16:50] <izua> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png
[16:50] <Davespice> I've been lucky enough to be selected for the Qt5 dev program, so I'm getting a free one =)
[16:51] <izua> wow, i barely messed with 4.8.0
[16:51] <izua> and they already plan on rolling 5 out?
[16:52] <Davespice> yeah, I'm not sure if we're getting 5 before the public does
[16:52] <Davespice> I'll get you a link, stand by
[16:53] <Davespice> here; http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program
[16:53] <izua> wow
[16:53] <Davespice> we also get a mentor to look over our code too
[16:54] <Davespice> who, I think, will be a Nokia employee
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[16:54] <Stskeeps> doesn't have to be
[16:55] <Davespice> no, not everyone of them will be...
[16:55] <izua> neat, i think i'm gonna submit an idea too
[16:55] <Davespice> they're all volunteers
[16:55] <izua> they are paid with a board? :p
[16:55] <Davespice> I think it's all finished... but you can try =)
[16:56] <Davespice> yeah, if you idea is chosen you will get sent a code you can use on the Raspberry Pi shop
[16:56] <izua> well, there are 150/400 entries
[16:56] <Davespice> like a voicher code
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[16:56] <Davespice> these are the accepted ones; http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted
[16:56] <Davespice> voucher* can't seem to type properly today
[16:59] <victhor> I wonder how many people are using the pi as a nas.
[16:59] <victhor> are going to use*
[17:00] <Davespice> yeah, you would think that would be the obvious thing
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[17:02] <Davespice> I'm going to see if I can get Schizm Tracker working on it
[17:02] <ahven> hehe :)
[17:02] <ahven> good memories
[17:02] <ahven> used to use Impulse Tracker
[17:02] <Davespice> same, and Scream Tracker 3 before that
[17:02] <ahven> yep
[17:03] <Davespice> buggy as hell =)
[17:09] <t_dot_zilla> can i invest in raspberry pi company?
[17:09] <Davespice> you can donate to them? I am not sure if they've floated though...
[17:09] <Stskeeps> it's a non-profit foundation
[17:12] <Davespice> you can donate here; https://www.paypal-donations.co.uk/pp-charity/charity.jsp?NP_ID=51613
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[17:14] * t_dot_zilla wants a return on investment
[17:14] <Davespice> they're not like a blue chip company
[17:14] <victhor> raspberry pi is not-for-profit
[17:14] <Davespice> I get your thinking though =)
[17:16] <friggle> more precisely, it's a UK registered charity
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[17:32] <Davespice> I've just been reading that sticky Sales Date post on the forums (under General)
[17:32] <Davespice> a lot of people think they're going to sell out really quickly
[17:33] <Davespice> I'm not so sure... <shrug>
[17:33] <friggle> Davespice: well, it does have a lot of media coverage :)
[17:33] <Davespice> yeah it does, it's been on Radio 4 a lot, and BBC news
[17:33] <victhor> the raspberry pi site has too much traffic it seems, quite often I get "database errors" that are apparently related to too many users connected
[17:34] <victhor> (high bandwidth consumption)
[17:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ the slashdot experiace
[17:34] <Davespice> oh really, glad I am not the only one who sees those
[17:35] <victhor> "you just got slashdotted"
[17:36] <traeak> !w
[17:37] <Davespice> I wonder if they aer going to limit the number of units each person can buy
[17:37] <Davespice> for the first run anyway
[17:37] <Thorn_> 1
[17:37] <traeak> been discussed tons
[17:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> faq says 1 / household at 1st
[17:37] <traeak> yes, at least initially
[17:37] <Davespice> oh has that been agreed?
[17:37] <Davespice> oh I didn't know they had made a decission on that, good
[17:37] <friggle> it's been suggested *many* times that it's verly likely to happen to start with
[17:38] <Thorn_> nothing is 100% tho
[17:38] <friggle> ah, didn't know it was in the faq now. Even more firm then
[17:38] <Thorn_> is it? fair enuf
[17:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> umnmn not in the faq but liz has said it many ,many times
[17:39] <Thorn_> liz also said the boards would come out in november :P
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean you didn't get yours?
[17:42] * Davespice chuckles
[17:42] <Davespice> you have an Alpha don't you ShiftPlusOne?
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> i wish =(
[17:44] <Davespice> oh... a beta then?
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got nothing, stop rubbing it in. >=/
[17:46] <Davespice> oh right, I thought you were one of the chosen few for a moment then... =)
[17:47] <Davespice> I was wondering if anyone is on an isc client, on a Raspberry Pi in this channel right now...
[17:48] <Davespice> irc*
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[17:57] <izua> does anyone here even have a board?
[17:57] <izua> o_O
[17:57] <izua> or better yet
[17:57] <izua> ???_???
[17:58] <Thorn_> no
[17:58] <Thorn_> cool people dont use irc
[17:59] <Thorn_> and only cool people have boards
[18:00] <izua> what are you talking about
[18:00] <izua> irc is the best thing in using the intertubes for chat
[18:00] <Thorn_> lol fool
[18:00] <Thorn_> real men still use BBS
[18:01] <izua> or do you wnat imvironments with flash animations, annoying sounds and 256x256 animated smilies
[18:01] <izua> with a real modem too
[18:01] <izua> as in, a dial-in bbs
[18:01] <Thorn_> that was kind of the point
[18:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> wait - you mean there is more to the internet than text interface?
[18:02] <izua> no, not really
[18:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> Ameol FTW
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> but yes, there are several people on here who have boards.
[18:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> I had to let me cix account go about 5 years ago ... way too expensive ... ;-p
[18:09] <Davespice> various people are doing electrical testing on them
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[18:30] <Davespice> see ya later people
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[19:06] <ukscone> IT_Sean: always knew there was a bit of a kink to you. did you at least make it room temp?
[19:06] <traeak> bit copy to int64_t :-p
[19:09] <IT_Sean> ukscone: nope. Straight out of the fridge.
[19:09] <IT_Sean> I'm going to put you up on ebay as a raspi prototype
[19:09] <ukscone> does ebay accept negative bids?
[19:10] <ReggieUK> I've got to ask what you're bidding on
[19:10] <WASDx> I suppose note?
[19:10] <WASDx> not*
[19:10] <ReggieUK> and are you making a point, e.g. you'd have to pay me to take that crap off your hands
[19:11] <ukscone> it's not my hands i am worried about
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[19:11] <ukscone> ok back to the corner while ReggieUK washes out my mouth with carbolic soap
[19:11] <ReggieUK> nah
[19:11] <ReggieUK> say it how you see it :D
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[19:14] <ukscone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/educational-applications/best-first-language-choice/page-2#p28230 hehehhehehehehe :D
[19:15] <traeak> mixal looks like a good candidate, a virtual assembly language
[19:15] <traeak> mixal, ruby or python
[19:15] <traeak> potentially lua
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[19:26] <acfrazier> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/503
[19:26] <acfrazier> cute.
[19:27] <piofcube> LOL On the phone to Netflix asking them how to signup without a Facebook account... Now they're in the UK... Not having much luck so far after 20 mins on the phone to tech support.
[19:32] <traeak> cool board #7
[19:32] <IT_Sean> bugger... You just reminded me, i need to FTP a file to the UK office.
[19:32] <traeak> 7 of 10 i guess
[19:33] <traeak> borg designations
[19:33] <IT_Sean> I am raspi of borg. You will be open sourced. Resistance is futile.
[19:33] <traeak> !w
[19:33] <traeak> ugh, no bot
[19:33] <IT_Sean> !w
[19:33] <victhor> !help
[19:33] <IT_Sean> bloody belgum.
[19:33] <cousteau> acfrazier, it belongs to a museum!!
[19:34] <cousteau> (although I think it would have been nicer to test it before and donate it later... that way it would have proven its value)
[19:34] <cousteau> I mean, if all the 10 beta boards ended in museums, that wouldn't be funny at all
[19:35] <IT_Sean> at least some, if not most, will end up in the hands of private collectors.
[19:35] <cousteau> hm, true
[19:37] <cousteau> although I hope they spend an interesting amount of time on the hands of geeks that play with them, test them, overuse them, burn them, and finally come up with a list of suggestions and valuable reviews
[19:37] <IT_Sean> so long as they aren't destoyed in the process (as that would really devalue them, IMO) i agree
[19:38] <cousteau> well, it would revalue the other 9 and the further ones as (I hope) it would have helped the project to test how far they can go
[19:38] <cousteau> (then again... better to keep them in one piece)
[19:38] <rm> 10k already go without any changes from the 10 boards, afaik
[19:38] <rm> except for that bugfix
[19:38] <haltdef> I wouldn't touch the thing after paying a grand for it :P
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[19:39] <victhor> xlq
[19:39] <rm> so no point worrying about the fate of ten boards
[19:39] <xlq> victhor
[19:39] <cousteau> haltdef, that's the problem... that's not the point of betas!
[19:39] <IT_Sean> haltdef: If i'd just paid upwards of 4000 pounds on a board, you bet i would try it out! :p
[19:39] <haltdef> ha
[19:40] <IT_Sean> and, look at this this way: how much did you pay for your last laptop, desktop, or tablet computer?
[19:40] <cousteau> otoh, I "play" with a board that costs like $2000 ($750 for universities)
[19:40] <cousteau> (and fortunately I haven't burned it yet)
[19:40] <cousteau> (and I wish I never do)
[19:40] <haltdef> a grand, but it's in a bulletproof case
[19:40] <xlq> IT_Sean: Much less than ??4000!
[19:40] <cousteau> xlq, so not a mac?
[19:40] <xlq> cousteau: No, an Asus M2N
[19:41] <cousteau> well, my beloved netbook costed like $250
[19:41] <haltdef> maybe I'm imagining these things as more delicate than they are :P
[19:42] <IT_Sean> still... you pay loads of money, perhaps not lb4000, but still loads of money for devices you carry with you and use every day. So...
[19:42] <cousteau> so yes, way less than [where the * is the pound sign]4000
[19:42] <xlq> "lb", haha
[19:42] <cousteau> gotcha! AltGr-Shift-3
[19:42] <xlq> I don't carry any computers with me.
[19:42] <cousteau> (on my keyboard)
[19:43] <cousteau> xlq, more than you know
[19:43] <cousteau> do you have a digital watch?
[19:43] <xlq> Nope :P
[19:43] <cousteau> or a cellphone?
[19:43] <xlq> Well yes I do, but I don't carry it with me.
[19:43] <xlq> And my cellphone stays at home too.
[19:43] <cousteau> or a laptop?
[19:43] <xlq> Nope.
[19:43] <cousteau> or a digital pacemaker?
[19:44] <xlq> No, lol
[19:44] <cousteau> or a government implant?
[19:44] <cousteau> AND HOW DO YOU KNOW?
[19:44] <cousteau> er
[19:44] <xlq> Don't know :P
[19:44] * victhor freaks out when the power goes out
[19:44] <cousteau> maybe the chips in credit cards could be considered as computers, not sure
[19:44] <IT_Sean> xlq: sorry, but, i can't do a pound sign on this machine.
[19:44] * xlq enjoys trying to get on with things in the dark when the power goes out
[19:44] <cousteau> IT_Sean, not even with AltGr-Shift-3?
[19:45] <victhor> we have candles
[19:45] <xlq> IT_Sean: Use "GBP".
[19:45] <victhor> those things you lit on fire...
[19:45] <IT_Sean> nope... just tried it
[19:45] <xlq> cousteau: Oh yeah, probably.
[19:45] <cousteau> d'aww
[19:45] <xlq> Although I haven't taken my debit card out for quite a while :P
[19:45] <cousteau> xlq, yaay
[19:45] <cousteau> well, gotta go, bye :)
[19:45] <xlq> Bye :)
[19:46] <ReggieUK> ??
[19:46] <xlq> ReggieUK: That'd be slightly more impressive if you were ReggieUS :D
[19:46] <cousteau> ...or used the Alt+xxxx or Ctrl-Shift-uxxxx
[19:46] <IT_Sean> <-- US keyboard layout.
[19:47] <cousteau> IT_Sean, Ctrl-Shift-uA3 ?
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[19:47] <cousteau> well, gotta go, bye
[19:47] <IT_Sean> cousteau: #
[19:48] <cousteau> no, I mean, Ctrl-Shift-{U, A, 3}
[19:48] <cousteau> (taht works on most Linux or at least GTK programs)
[19:49] <IT_Sean> ??
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Ahhh!
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Kinky
[19:49] <IT_Sean> thanks cousteau
[19:49] <cousteau> yaaay!! :)
[19:50] <IT_Sean> :D
[19:50] <cousteau> well, gotta go, bye
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[19:53] <IT_Sean> this initial boot of a new Win 2k3 install is taking a really really long time to boot
[19:53] <IT_Sean> anyone know if that's normal?
[19:53] <victhor> it's windows... I'd say yes
[19:53] <victhor> (j/k)
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[19:53] <IT_Sean> !!!
[19:54] <IT_Sean> It's just booted
[19:54] <IT_Sean> Good
[19:54] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: ?
[19:54] <IT_Sean> victhor: i'd say it was normal, as it seems to have just finished. Took about 10 minutes, though.
[19:54] <Hopsy> did you order one :O ?
[19:54] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: order what?
[19:54] <victhor> windows... :P
[19:54] <Hopsy> raspberry :O
[19:54] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: raspi isn't for sale yet
[19:54] <Hopsy> what is booted?
[19:54] <Hopsy> oww
[19:54] <IT_Sean> I was talking about the windows server i just re-OS'd
[19:55] <Hopsy> nevermind :(
[19:55] <Hopsy> ah :(
[19:55] * IT_Sean hides his raspi board, then wistles innocently
[19:56] * ReggieUK walks round IT_Sean's office with a degaussing stick
[19:56] <IT_Sean> OI!
[19:56] <IT_Sean> Stoppit!
[19:56] <IT_Sean> NOT THE LINUX MACHINE!!!!
[19:57] <ReggieUK> bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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[20:00] * IT_Sean shoves ReggieUK's remains down the "secure document disposal (incinerator)" schute
[20:01] <piofcube> ReggieUK It might be because your wife has realised you missed the decimal point and you had bid ??80000 instead of ??800.00 for #3 R-Pi?
[20:03] <IT_Sean> piofcube: no. I am rather sure it has to do with him waving a degaussing wand about my office
[20:03] <piofcube> Nah, that wouldn't be gause for attempted murder.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> 's not ATTEMPTED :p
[20:04] <piofcube> lol
[20:05] <piofcube> I see someone donated #7 to the Centre for Computer History... very nice gesture.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> oooh
[20:05] <IT_Sean> nice
[20:06] <IT_Sean> I'd have played with it a bit then donated it, but... :p
[20:08] <IT_Sean> Just for future reference... installing win 2k3 server takes an assingly long time
[20:08] <Skummel> I've never done it. but wouldn't surprice me
[20:08] <IT_Sean> it's a murderously long process
[20:17] <acfrazier> wait, you're telling me
[20:17] <acfrazier> netflix, a PAID SERVICE
[20:17] <acfrazier> requires a facebook account?
[20:17] <acfrazier> I refuse to use any service that does that (like spotify)
[20:18] <IT_Sean> that is just stupid
[20:18] <piofcube> I solved the problem myself... If you are blocking Facebook Connect, the sign-up with email instead of facebook link does not show on the site... :S
[20:18] <IT_Sean> urf
[20:19] <acfrazier> some sites aren't so easy
[20:19] <acfrazier> with spotify it is literally impossible to do so.
[20:19] <IT_Sean> i hate that whole concept. The ONLY thing that i should need my fecebook login for is FACEBOOK.
[20:19] <acfrazier> ^
[20:20] <piofcube> Personally, I wouldn't use Facebook if I were paid... A few "friends" have tried to call my bluff by offering cash to sign-up but they realised quite quickly it was not bluff.
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[20:21] <acfrazier> for me it's too late
[20:21] <acfrazier> you can't really unsign up from facebook, I've been signed up since before it turned foul
[20:21] <acfrazier> since like 2007
[20:21] <acfrazier> when myspace was still "the shit"
[20:21] <acfrazier> and I was like
[20:21] <acfrazier> hey guys, use facebook instead
[20:21] <IT_Sean> I use facebook. But ONLY to keep in touch with friends and family. Not to log into other crap, no appsl, no games, etc...
[20:21] <acfrazier> I use facebook to bitch to other people about what I see on facebook
[20:21] <acfrazier> in fact I made a post the other day
[20:22] <acfrazier> "I go on Facebook, to bitch about what happens on Facebook, to other people that I know feel the same way. Sometimes I even bitch about Facebook on Facebook."
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[20:22] <piofcube> You can delete your account but they hide that option away. If you find the delete instead of make dormant (or whatever they call it) they make you wait a month or something and if you even touch the account within that time they stop the deletion process..
[20:22] * mdavey_ is now known as mdavey
[20:23] <IT_Sean> that is slightly sleazy. But, i do understand it a bit. Can you imagine if they had to handle all the "help, i deleted my account by accident" calls?
[20:24] <acfrazier> IT_Sean, the irony is they make you wait 2 weeks without signing in before it actually happens
[20:24] <acfrazier> even with it hidden.
[20:24] <IT_Sean> urf
[20:24] <piofcube> If you remove all of those "pets" accounts, underage users, multiple accounts and dormant ones, I wonder how many accounts would be left? Still millions and millions but there is a large percentage that shouldn't be counted LOL
[20:24] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:24] <IT_Sean> I hate the people that have pet accounts. \
[20:25] <IT_Sean> i REFUSE to friend somebody's dog, cat, goldfish, bird, or wankstain.
[20:25] <piofcube> LMFFAO
[20:25] <ukscone> wtf!!!! that has to b a capital offence http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/scotch-whiskey-a-costs-5-12-ounces-shots-booze-article-1.1003378
[20:26] <Skummel> wtf, they make facebook accounts for their pets...
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Do they even check the new accounts? I mean... how silly does an account have to be before they delete it? Could you creat an account for "Crusty Tubesock", for instance?
[20:26] <ukscone> yes you could
[20:26] <xlq> Hey! You've found my facebook account!
[20:26] <Skummel> and wtf, whiskey in an can :o
[20:26] <acfrazier> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001381772326
[20:26] <acfrazier> ^ for an example
[20:26] <ukscone> a friend has accounts for all thir teddy bears
[20:27] <xlq> Oh, heh, I have facebook.com set to in my hosts file
[20:27] <acfrazier> LOL
[20:27] <IT_Sean> that.... is stupid.
[20:27] <acfrazier> ^
[20:27] <IT_Sean> i mean, it's bad enough some of these people are even ON facebook.
[20:27] <IT_Sean> How much of a life do you need to NOT HAVE to have accounts for all your pets, sstuffed animals, toenail clippings, or fungal infections?
[20:28] <IT_Sean> I know someone that created an account for their BABY. Every other post is "i just pooped!" :/
[20:28] <acfrazier> oh my god you've got to be kidding me
[20:28] <IT_Sean> I de-friended that person right quick.
[20:28] <acfrazier> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQjF5RPgbg
[20:28] <piofcube> I laugh at the number of people that phone in sick and in a couple of hours they're posting picks of them at the pub/club bragging about their "day off"... Even more funny when the boss calls them into their office the next day LOL
[20:29] <Skummel> some people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce
[20:29] <piofcube> pics**
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[20:29] <IT_Sean> piofcube: are people really that stupid?
[20:29] <IT_Sean> #1 rule. If you scrag off work, do NOT post about it on facebook!
[20:29] <Skummel> IT_Sean ofc they are...
[20:30] <piofcube> IT_Sean You ask that after the "Teddy Bear" accounts? ;-)
[20:30] <Skummel> people in general is stupid.
[20:30] <IT_Sean> ::facepalm::
[20:31] <Skummel> that should probably be "people in general are stupid"
[20:34] <ReggieUK> jeez, whiskey in a can
[20:34] <ReggieUK> that's harsh
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[20:34] <ReggieUK> I don't think they even have that in scotland
[20:39] <ukscone> ReggieUK: no they don't but they have tennents :D
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[20:49] <ReggieUK> and stella
[20:49] <ReggieUK> or as it's otherwise known, 'wife beater'
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[20:49] <ReggieUK> not forgetting cider, more commonly known as 'tramp juice'
[20:52] <IT_Sean> I don't always drink squirrel piss, but, when i do, i prefer dos equis. (not really)
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[21:11] <chris_99> haha
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[21:24] <t_dot_zilla> *i wanna sex you up*
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[21:34] <ahven> <IT_Sean> How much of a life do you need to NOT HAVE to have accounts for all your pets, sstuffed animals, toenail clippings, or fungal infections? << fortunately, not enough - mytumor.com is for sale
[21:35] <IT_Sean>
[21:35] <IT_Sean>
[21:36] <Thorn_> offtopic but need urgent help
[21:36] <Thorn_> if you fail to renew your domain
[21:36] <IT_Sean> mhmm?
[21:36] <Thorn_> is it legal for them to resell that domain immediately (as in within 12hrs of due date) or is there a domain-regain period?
[21:36] <IT_Sean> i think they can sell it as soon as it lapses, unless otherwise stated in a contract.
[21:36] <Thorn_> i didn't get a reminder email about a pretty important domain
[21:36] <IT_Sean> but, IANAL.
[21:37] <IT_Sean> it's not up to them to email you. It's on you to remember ot renew it every year, iirc.
[21:37] <Thorn_> and some parker sat on it immediately
[21:37] <IT_Sean> but, again... IANAL.
[21:37] <Thorn_> yeah, but most domain sellers email you about upcoming domain renewals
[21:37] <Thorn_> so does this one mostly
[21:37] <Thorn_> yet it chose not to for this domain
[21:38] <ahven> "oops"
[21:38] <Thorn_> i'm pissed, someone else parked it ONE MINUTE after midnight
[21:38] <piofcube> you will most likely have to contact Nominet's Dispute resolution service if it's a UK registration
[21:38] <Thorn_> it's american :(
[21:39] <IT_Sean> you might be screwed.
[21:39] <IT_Sean> 'less you buy it back off the parker
[21:39] <atts> do you know who bought it? i had a domain name accidentally expire and my hosting provider ended up keeping it, then i was able to buy it back from them for regular cost
[21:40] <Thorn_> i dont even know IF it was bought
[21:40] <Thorn_> i just know that i can't renew it because it's "expired"
[21:40] <Thorn_> and i cant register it again because it's "taken"
[21:40] <Thorn_> and it points to someone elses's ip
[21:40] <Thorn_> (some canadian business)
[21:40] <piofcube> look on internic.net and see if the registrar is listed as an accredited registrar... take it from there
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[21:42] <piofcube> Before it was all de-regulated/sold off/whatever, I'm sure that expired domains had a cooling off period just in case the owner made a mistake and forgot to renew...
[21:42] <Thorn_> that's what i thought too ;\
[21:42] <Thorn_> emailing enom's legal department, maybe i can get it back
[21:47] <Thorn_> It expired yesterday so I'm praying. Just emailed enom's legal department as well
[21:47] * Thorn_ crosses fingers
[21:47] <Thorn_> If i do get it back, I'm just going to put 10 years in advance on the damn thing
[21:49] <traeak> enom sucks, bail as fast as you can
[21:49] <traeak> and they're too pricey :-p
[21:50] <Thorn_> i went with enom because of their insanely cheap prices
[21:50] <Thorn_> i got that .org for $6/yr
[21:50] <Thorn_> my provider before that was 123-reg
[21:50] <traeak> we've got hostmonster
[21:50] <Thorn_> they charged me ??19.99/yr for a .net...
[21:51] <traeak> lovely microsoft compiler
[21:51] <traeak> changing to vs2010 compiler
[21:51] <traeak> runtime is crashing, have to downgrade the optmization level
[21:52] <WASDx> I got a .nu for $1 the first year
[21:52] <WASDx> and i can end it after a year if i want
[21:52] <traeak> i'm guessing they screwed up the c++0x features
[21:52] <traeak> compiling c++ on the rpi would be insane
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[21:54] <Thorn_> oh this is great
[21:54] <Thorn_> law:
[21:55] <Thorn_> Expired domain names do not expire exactly on the date you might find using a domain whois. The registrar companies usually will grant a grace period (anywhere from 2 weeks to forty days) and then there is another thirty day grace period granted by the registry before a domain is available to the public again.
[21:56] * cousteau misread it as "anywhere from 2 weeks to fourteen days"
[21:56] * Thorn_ wipes sweat off brow
[21:56] <Thorn_> maybe i can relax just a little now
[21:57] <piofcube> Is the domain name redirecting to the same IP address or has the DNS records been changed to a new one?
[21:57] <traeak> enom are bastards about tarnsferring domain names
[21:57] <traeak> that i *do* recall
[21:57] <traeak> we just abandoned our domain name and switched from .net to .org or something
[21:59] <piofcube> If it's the same IP, enom might have just re-used the IP address for a new account *shrugs*
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[22:05] <Thorn_> bastards
[22:05] <Thorn_> yeah i got the domain back
[22:06] <Thorn_> they have a nice new policy though
[22:06] <Thorn_> you have to pay 10 years in advance
[22:06] <IT_Sean> awesome
[22:06] <Thorn_> 10 is the minimum
[22:06] <Thorn_> sigh
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[22:17] <ukscone> so what you reckon? we finally get a snipe bid on a board tonight? 43mins to go
[22:18] <chris_99> this might interest you guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59uJwfq-xCs
[22:18] <chris_99> (rather off-topic mind)
[22:20] <victhor> cool
[22:29] <chris_99> i'm thinking of making one now
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[22:55] * ReggieUK tries to find chris_99's place before he starts seeding clouds
[22:55] <ReggieUK> I hate clouds
[22:56] <xlq> :(
[22:56] <xlq> Not even altocumulus lenticularis?
[22:56] <ReggieUK> none of them
[22:57] <ReggieUK> not even noctillucent
[22:57] <xlq> :(
[22:57] <xlq> It'd be a rather dead world if we never had any.
[22:58] <chris_99> haha ReggieUK
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[22:58] <ReggieUK> I don't mind them during the day
[22:58] <ReggieUK> but at night they're a real pain
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[22:58] <chris_99> how do they affect you at night?
[22:58] <xlq> You sound like an astronomer.
[22:59] <ReggieUK> xlq got it in one
[22:59] <xlq> \o/
[22:59] <chris_99> haha cool
[22:59] * ReggieUK hands xlq a cookie
[22:59] <victhor> yeah I was in a stargazing night once and a cloud blocked my view.
[22:59] * xlq munches
[23:00] <ReggieUK> they're notorious in the UK
[23:00] <ReggieUK> probably why we like building telescopes and doing science in chile
[23:05] <traeak> ReggieUK: you shouyld move here if you dont' like clouds
[23:06] <traeak> ReggieUK: 330 days of the year sunny
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[23:10] <Amantis> Hi
[23:10] <tradermatt|work> Hey
[23:11] <Amantis> You could ask in here, I dont know the answer but I'm sure someone does
[23:12] <tradermatt|work> Any idea on the street date for this device? I am really wanting one (or several).
[23:13] <haltdef> we all are :P
[23:13] <tradermatt|work> :) I kinda figured.
[23:13] <Amantis> I know they're already auctioning the originals on ebay
[23:14] <piofcube> I have a life-size printout of the R-Pi but installing a paper-based OS is a pain
[23:15] <Amantis> I have a question
[23:15] <Amantis> RCA Vid..why
[23:15] <victhor> one of these days I was looking at a credit card and thinking "no way something this large can run quake 3 and play 1080p video at 30 fps"
[23:16] <ReggieUK> traeak, where is here?
[23:16] <haltdef> probably provided by the SoC, be a waste not to hook it up
[23:16] <haltdef> also allows you to attach it to an old TV
[23:17] <piofcube> I have HD screens in a few rooms but not in the lounge... Don't ask me why LOL
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[23:18] <Amantis> mmmm
[23:18] <Amantis> is this gonna be as easy to install an OS on as a regular formatted computer you think?
[23:18] <Amantis> Or are we onna neeed some special wat to flash it, with a custom OS
[23:19] <haltdef> it'll be a bit different
[23:19] <traeak> !w
[23:19] <traeak> ReggieUK: parker, co :-p
[23:19] <piofcube> You will be able to buy pre-configured sd cards (IIRC) if needed.
[23:19] <haltdef> there will be images on the site preconfigured for the pi's hardware of various distros I believe
[23:19] <victhor> I just hope someone comes up with a armedslack build.
[23:20] <victhor> I don't think this will be a very efficient NAS, running Fedora :P
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[23:20] <haltdef> nah it won't, ~200mbps shared between the usb ports and ethernet port
[23:20] <traeak> haltdef: ideally
[23:20] <victhor> but for $35, who cares?
[23:21] <piofcube> I think once the R-Pi is out, there'll be more distros than you could shake a big stick at
[23:21] <victhor> also USB is half-duplex, further complicating matters
[23:21] <haltdef> there are higher end boards with better specs for ??100 if you want better :p
[23:22] <haltdef> I'm hoping to install gentoo with my own kernel onto it .. just to see if I can
[23:22] <victhor> but I think "meh it's a $35 NAS... performance doesn't matter, $35"
[23:22] <Amantis> I just hope theres some wy to hook up a touch screen and make some home automation
[23:22] <victhor> I wanted to get that ARMADA 510 cube thing that had eSATA and GbE but, $135.
[23:22] <victhor> Nah I don't edit video. I don't need that much performance :P
[23:22] <rm> you can get NASes for near that, today
[23:23] <victhor> what's the fun in buying stuff anyway
[23:23] <rm> but they'll be proprietary and slow and generally uninteresting
[23:23] <victhor> ^ the reason why I'm doing this
[23:23] <rm> oh, but there's this thing
[23:24] <rm> http://embeddedtimes.blogspot.com/2011/09/tp-link-tl-wr703n-tiny-linux-capable.html
[23:24] <rm> still a major drawback for me, "doesn't run a real OS"
[23:24] <victhor> "32MB RAM"
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[23:26] <rm> debian would boot on that
[23:27] <WASDx> arch too
[23:27] <victhor> it seems like it would not be a very good NAS. Slow processor, little RAM...
[23:28] <victhor> but it seems it is a okay router for its size - which is what it is meant to be
[23:28] <rm> hm, I wonder if I can chain-boot to a Debian chroot from openwrt
[23:29] <rm> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT O.o
[23:29] <piofcube> I was going to mention Puppy for fun but remembered that it runs all users as root (or used to) :S
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[23:30] <piofcube> Anyone mention Chrome OS? Runs on ARM.
[23:30] <victhor> "Chrome" the browser is extremely RAM-hungry alone
[23:30] <victhor> it's as bad, if not worse, than firefox.
[23:30] <kcj> Yeah.
[23:31] <piofcube> Devil and deep blue see but still prefered to "the other one".
[23:31] <kcj> ~70mb per tab.
[23:31] <kcj> :(
[23:31] <rm> Midori should be ok
[23:31] <victhor> I've run Midori on 256 MB before, it works
[23:32] <rm> btw, doesn't the GPU chop off a portion of RAM to use as video memory?
[23:32] <WASDx> nice link rm, that tp-link thingy
[23:33] <piofcube> There's OpenWrt... seems to be more suited to nas and stuff but I'm not familiar with it except it runs on ARM
[23:34] <victhor> it seems very tempting but I still think I'm spending $23 on a device that will end up being useless to me
[23:36] <victhor> I have a TP-Link router, it is much larger though. It is a very good router, I think that one might be worse (size constraints and all) but it might not be as bad as I'm thinking it is
[23:36] <xlq> Slax also runs everything as root.
[23:36] * victhor used to have a slackware install that had only 1 user: root
[23:36] <victhor> although it was user error.
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[23:38] <xlq> victhor: I bet it had a lot more users in /etc/passwd
[23:38] <victhor> :/
[23:39] <traeak> buy the tp-lnk and use it later for a wireless repeater
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[23:40] <piofcube> I've moved over to tp-link for a lot of stuff... I like tenda routers also... I used to be a big netgear fanboy but these days I take frog pills for that.
[23:42] <Amantis> TIL Wikipedia has articles on a variety of topics I havent previously researched
[23:52] <traeak> tenda also does openwrt
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