#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-10

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[0:07] <IT_Sean> Ahh... no place like
[0:09] <xlq> Grr.
[0:09] <xlq> There's no place like loopback?
[0:09] <xlq> There's no place like localhost?
[0:09] <xlq> Or did you mean there's no place like ~/ ?
[0:09] <Amantis> home
[0:09] <Amantis> is the joke
[0:09] <xlq> I know, but it doesn't work, because nobody ever called home :(
[0:10] <WASDx> then ~/ would be more correct
[0:10] <xlq> // TODO: Sense of humour.
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[0:12] <IT_Sean> no place like home, you dingleberry :p
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[2:25] <rien> is there a simple yes/no answer to the question "is raspberrypi better/faster/yaknowwhatImean than a regular atom netbook" ?
[2:25] <IT_Sean> there is.
[2:26] <victhor> "no"
[2:26] <rien> aww
[2:26] <victhor> imo it is no.
[2:26] <rm> slower, cheaper, smaller
[2:26] <victhor> although the atom consumes a lot more power
[2:26] <rm> and will pummel it into pieces at playing 1080p h264
[2:26] <rm> and also maybe general OpenGL
[2:26] <victhor> not really, unless your GPU is crappy
[2:27] <rm> afaik most Atom netbooks come with Intel chipsets (i.e. not ATI)
[2:28] <rm> and Intel is a bit behind in both 3D and video acceleration
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[2:28] <rien> hmm I see
[2:29] <victhor> I thought they did have video decoding acceleration
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[2:56] <traeak> cedar trail stuff is supposed to compete better i guess
[2:56] <traeak> really i wish the pixel qi screens wouldbe on more systems...
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[3:09] <Markion> Hello
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[4:53] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16424990
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[5:29] <robbiet480> greetings programs
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[5:40] <UnderSampled> robbiet480: I fight for the Users
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[5:54] <rm> The first tranche of machines is expected to begin production this month. // Mr Upton was not able to give exact numbers but said it would likely be in "the low thousands".
[5:54] <rm> huh
[5:54] <rm> so not even 10K?
[6:07] <wwalker> rm: I assume they have to have cash flow. building 10K would require $350K (220K GBP). So, building 2000 is still a year of someone's salary. That's a lot of money until they know that we are actually going to buy them.
[6:08] <wwalker> there are 80 of us on this channel, what if only 50 people buy them?
[6:08] <relaxed> I bet all 10,000 sell out in 3 days
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[6:09] <rm> Are you accepting pre-orders? // No. We are adequately funded
[6:09] <rm> relaxed, my guess is 10K would sell out in a day, 2K if that's true will sell in 1-2 hours
[6:10] <wwalker> I figure the same thing
[6:10] <relaxed> +/- 3 days :)
[6:10] <wwalker> I'm concerned about not getting into the first 10K too.
[6:10] <wwalker> catch you tomorrow
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[7:42] <zabomber> im buying 10
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[7:49] <Dagger2> rather than cash flow, I suspect the limit is on how many units the factories can produce simultaneously... which is probably less than 10000
[7:50] <Dagger2> (and they ordered the parts for 10k back in December, which is probably over half of the costs)
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[11:12] <Davespice> good morning
[11:13] <ahven> hello
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[11:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[12:10] <UukGoblin> ohai :-)
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[12:11] <UukGoblin> are any of the GPIO pins capable of reading analog inputs?
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[12:12] <Davespice> like a joystick?
[12:12] <UukGoblin> more like a thermistor or a potentiometer
[12:12] <Davespice> oh I see, I would imagine so - although I can't give you a solid answer
[12:13] <Davespice> it might require the Gert board to do
[12:13] <UukGoblin> well usually GPIO pins are able to read and write digital values - i.e. 0 or +3.3V
[12:13] <UukGoblin> I'd like to be able to read all the voltage levels in between too, like on arduino
[12:14] * Davespice nods
[12:14] <UukGoblin> ah, a gert board, interesting, wasn't aware of it
[12:15] <UukGoblin> probably could just use an arduino connected via USB, too ;-)
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> In any case, a diy adc isn't hard.
[12:16] <UukGoblin> with some kind of ADC chip from an electronics store, sure
[12:16] <UukGoblin> I wouldn't know how to build one myself
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[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there are plenty of off the shelf parts, but doing it with basic components isn't hard either... and a good way to learn a bit.
[12:18] <UukGoblin> you'd need... some logic, and memory, to hold the bits... I never actually thought how they work
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> not so much logic, it's possible with just diodes.
[12:19] <UukGoblin> oh, you mean with a parallel interface?
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, you're right, I see what you mean. A shift register would be better, I think.
[12:20] <UukGoblin> yeah, a shift register would do it
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[12:21] <UukGoblin> well, /me waits patiently for the first batch to be available :-)
[12:22] <Davespice> as we all do... I wish I understood more about what you guys are talking about
[12:23] <UukGoblin> Davespice, play around with an arduino boards, they're a great way to learn this stuff
[12:23] <Davespice> I've not really done direct hardware programming in over 10 years
[12:23] <UukGoblin> board.
[12:23] <Davespice> okay cool
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> wasn't really about programming, but the hardware itself.
[12:25] <Davespice> is there no programming involved then?
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I personally don't get why arduino is recommended as a starting point though. I got sucked into circuitry with 7400 series logic chips.
[12:25] <Davespice> I have done some work with Zilog chips, but this was in the 90's
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> learning about logic and state machines is probably the best start, I think.
[12:26] <Hopsy> hey, are there people that starts a rapberrypi project?
[12:26] <Hopsy> I want to join
[12:26] <UukGoblin> ShiftPlusOne, I've just found an arduino super-easy to use
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Hopsy, drop Liz an email. They'll probably say "no thanks" though.
[12:27] <Hopsy> lol
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[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> UukGoblin, sure, and mbed is even easier. But is it a way to learn, or to skip learning? I am not the type to say that Arduino dumbs down electronics, but at some point you need to learn how it all actually works. Instead of viewing arduino as a starting point though, I think it's just a prototyping platform.
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> (for when you already know what you're doing, more or less)
[12:29] <UukGoblin> ShiftPlusOne, skip learning how it actually works, learn how to just use it
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[12:31] <UukGoblin> I'm not that good with electronics and don't understand lots of things, but using an arduino to get basic stuff done has been pretty enlightening
[12:31] <UukGoblin> and I think having GPIO pins on a raspberry pi could be even better for kids ;-)
[12:32] <ShiftPlusOne> we'll see
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[12:34] <UukGoblin> (just make sure they stay well isolated from any 240v sources;-)
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[12:34] <Davespice> haha =)
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> no need to baby them, let them learn from their mistakes! >=/
[12:34] <jzu> analog input is impossible on the GPIO, isn't it?
[12:34] <jzu> (or anywhere on the RPi)
[12:35] <victhor> no ADC, so yes no analog input.
[12:35] <jzu> that's what missing on the RPi - vs Arduino
[12:36] <UukGoblin> ah, ok, that answers my question :-) thanks
[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> the raspberry pi isn't designed to be used directly, but through a buffer board, like the gertboard. so if you want ADC, you'd add your own chip, I think. I may be wrong and they might have an analog pin on it somewhere.
[12:37] <Davespice> it would be nice to be able to connect it to a temperature sensor, I've read about a lot of people who want to do that to monitor their beer =)
[12:37] <Davespice> as in brewing...
[12:37] <UukGoblin> how will gert interface with raspi?
[12:38] <victhor> use a I2C temperature sensor
[12:38] <Davespice> I think you just use a ribbon on the gpio pins
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> UukGoblin, you mean the software?
[12:38] <UukGoblin> ShiftPlusOne, no, hardware
[12:38] <victhor> I made a board for a TMP423 3 remote sensor IC. Still need to send it to manufacture though
[12:38] <Davespice> wow cool
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> then I don't think I understand your question... just the gpio?
[12:39] <Davespice> so you think you'll be able to interface with the a Pi victhor?
[12:39] <jzu> you could dismantle an USB joystick: instant ADC
[12:39] <victhor> if they have a I2C driver, yes. TMP423 is supported by linux
[12:39] <Davespice> that's really cool :)
[12:39] <jzu> I did exactly this with for a NSLU2
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> jzu, that's a lot more expensive than a standard, off the shelf, adc chip =/
[12:40] <UukGoblin> ShiftPlusOne, I mean how do you plug it to the raspberry pi... GPIO? or USB or something else?
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, yeah it's gpio.
[12:41] <jzu> ShiftPlusOne: right, but ready-to-hack
[12:42] <jzu> and there are _really_ cheap joysticks around (ebay etc.)
[12:43] <jzu> plus you don't care about their mechanical properties
[12:46] <jzu> the resolution is poor, however
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[12:47] <victhor> I think the joystick I have here uses a 5-bit ADC. Better ones use 8-bit, but then it becomes expensive.
[12:48] <jzu> it's usually 5-bit, yes
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> well I am sure as hell not dismantling my icontrolpad >=/
[12:49] <victhor> Linux has support for some dedicated ADCs... don't remember which though
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[13:00] <Davespice> I think I might be picking all your brains when I get my RasPi
[13:01] <Davespice> you all seem quite knowledgable
[13:05] <haltdef> can't wait to get my hands on one
[13:05] <haltdef> never really played with non-x86 platforms outside of winmo/android phones before
[13:05] <haltdef> where you get no real control over anything
[13:07] <Davespice> we should run a book on how quickly they first batch will fly off the shelves =)
[13:07] <Davespice> I reckon it will not be as fast as everyone thinks...
[13:08] <haltdef> mebbe
[13:16] <jzu> victhor: what is the max sampling rate for a TMP423?
[13:17] <jzu> a few conversions per seconds?
[13:17] <victhor> 8 conversions per second
[13:18] <jzu> I guess "interesting" (for me) ADCs would be more expensive
[13:19] <jzu> say, up to 100 kHz
[13:21] <jzu> I could do with 20 kHz
[13:23] <jzu> so I'm left with my cheap audio dongles :-)
[13:25] <Craig`> so what are guys planning do with your RPi?
[13:27] <jzu> a guitar effect pedal
[13:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> web serf , run nethack , teach my SO the advantages of coding ....
[13:28] <Davespice> I'm going to be writing Linux software on it
[13:28] <victhor> nas
[13:28] <Davespice> yeah, nas / torrent downloader would be ideal
[13:29] <Craig`> nice, the only thing i've got in mind atm is using it as a media player
[13:29] <Craig`> it's about the same price as a ps2, but ps2 you have to fiddle around with geting homebrew on and it's not hd.
[13:30] <jzu> and an always-on ssh/email/web server to replace my current machine
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[13:30] <victhor> if they ever provide support for some encoder, perhaps a streaming server.
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[13:31] <Craig`> I use my guruplug for my ssh server so i'll be keeping that running.
[13:34] <Davespice> I have got one project underway which is to hook it up to a Braille display
[13:38] <Craig`> cool
[13:40] <Davespice> it's a cheap display, designed to be about ??200
[13:40] <Davespice> the ones you can buy which cost ??6000 are the only ones available currently
[13:40] <Davespice> they work by having individual mototrs which drive each dot in every Braille character
[13:41] <Davespice> hence the cost
[13:41] <Davespice> this one works by moving two virtical bars, each with 8 positions to make a single braille char
[13:42] <Davespice> http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/ a guy called Ed Rogers is building it
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> 6000 O_o
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[14:09] * Davespice blinks
[14:09] * IT_Sean flickers
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[14:13] <IT_Sean> Hmm... my desktop PC has a directory on it called "Sort these files before end of 2011" and it's full of files.
[14:13] * IT_Sean right clicks it, selects 'rename' and changes '2011' to '2012'
[14:13] <IT_Sean> There... job done.
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[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> You're a productivity genius.
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[14:23] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: Life is about setting reasonable goals.
[14:25] <ShiftPlusOne> and then setting them aside for later?
[14:26] <IT_Sean> Exactly!
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[14:26] <IT_Sean> 9/10ths of what's in that folder can do straight in the bin. I just need to pull out the important things first.
[14:30] <IT_Sean> So far, i need to get two servers up and running today, and look at one of the office PCs that's overheating. I also have a few open trouble tickets to deal with, plus whatever support calls come in today. And it's not even 9am
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[14:44] <Davespice> Sean, do you find that 90% of the time with an overheating machine it's just a layer of dust below the fan stopping the air going into the heat sink so well?
[14:44] <Davespice> Usually a blast with an air duster and it's all back to normal :)
[14:48] <IT_Sean> I'd say that's a fairly accurate statement. why?
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[14:54] <Davespice> just wondering =)
[15:06] <IT_Sean> it's hard for me to believe that my laptop is nine years old.
[15:06] * IT_Sean sighs
[15:08] <ahven> hmm, 2001 over here, I think
[15:08] <IT_Sean> 2003
[15:09] <victhor> a few weeks old
[15:09] <victhor> :P
[15:09] <IT_Sean> victhor: hush you.
[15:09] <ahven> Thinkpad T23
[15:09] <ahven> fan is failing, otherwise pretty usable
[15:10] <ahven> hdd is replaced by a CF card, fast enough
[15:10] <IT_Sean> 9 years, thousands of miles of travel (and the battle scars to proove it), three batteries, and a few dozen OS installs
[15:10] <IT_Sean> still runs liek a top
[15:10] <IT_Sean> *like
[15:11] <wwalker> IT_Sean: what kind of laptop?
[15:11] <IT_Sean> Apple. 1.33 GHz (PPC) PowerBook G4 17"
[15:11] <IT_Sean> (ruunning Linux)
[15:11] <victhor> I had to replace my ~ 3 year old laptop, because the lid broke. The screen still works but with a broken lid it's not practical to use outside of a fixed location
[15:11] <wwalker> I've got an IBM Thinkpad 600e sitting here. Still works, but I don't use it anymore (too little RAM)
[15:11] <victhor> the new laptop was actually a present
[15:12] <wwalker> built 11/98
[15:12] <IT_Sean> My work issued laptop is a ThinkPad SL410. Nice little thing.
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[15:13] <victhor> I think there is a old toshiba satellite 320cds
[15:13] <victhor> it used to work but I was told it doesn't boot anymore. The battery's dead and the screen's ruined, full of bubbles (heat damage?)
[15:13] <victhor> oh, and the fan broke too
[15:14] <IT_Sean> :(
[15:14] <jzu> I still use an IBM x31 from time to time (travel machine), very handy, works like a charm
[15:14] <jzu> those old IBM laptops were built like tanks
[15:14] <victhor> I think they haven't thrown it away... I hope not. I loved that laptop :P
[15:15] <victhor> and I could salvage the 10 Mbit PCMCIA network card from it
[15:15] <IT_Sean> There is an old thinkpad cluttering up my office. Hasn't moved since i've worked here. It's very dusty. :p
[15:17] <victhor> I think that toshiba still had its original HD, I think it's a 10 GB but I don't remember.
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> hey ReggieUK
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[15:23] <Anppa> I once did a stage 1 gentoo install on an old toshiba laptop
[15:23] <Anppa> it had 32 megabytes of memory and using gcc caused swapping :)
[15:23] * IT_Sean has a 30 gig drive in his laptop
[15:23] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:24] <Anppa> took two weeks to compile stuff
[15:24] <IT_Sean> <-- 2 gigs of RAM
[15:25] <Davespice> 640k should be enough for everyone =)
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[15:26] <ReggieUK> hi IT_Sean
[15:27] <ReggieUK> did you see the bbc article on the PI?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> I did not
[15:27] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16424990
[15:28] <Davespice> oh is there a new one? I saw the one for a while ago
[15:28] * IT_Sean downgrades Davespice to a computer with 128k of memory and a 32 meg hdd
[15:28] * Davespice plays pong
[15:29] <ReggieUK> 3 teachers who graduated in the UK last year had computer science as their primary qualification :/
[15:29] <ReggieUK> compared to 750 in ICT (office essentially)
[15:30] <IT_Sean> urf
[15:30] <Davespice> that says it all, right there
[15:30] <IT_Sean> I went for a degree in "Computer & Information Systems" and half my classes were either "this is a mouse, this is a keyboard" rubbish or "this is word, this is excel" rubbish.
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> and any really good courses were dumbed down for the class idiots to the point where i pretty much had to teach myself how to do all the geeky sorts of things i can to today.
[15:34] <Davespice> my batchelors degree is in archaeology =)
[15:35] <IT_Sean> mine is in computer & information systems
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> I went for the 'yes, i am a bit of a nerd' degree
[15:35] <piofcube> When I took my BA in Computer Science, the Uni refused to mark my work... They said it "looked too commercial" O_o
[15:36] <Davespice> I have a Btec in computer science, equivalent to three old A-Levels
[15:39] <Davespice> but this is from 1998, so out of date by todays standards
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