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IRC Log for 2012-01-12

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[0:00] <openstandards> haltdef: what model number is it
[0:01] <haltdef> haven't the foggiest, it's built in to the device
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[0:03] <openstandards> i mean what device is it that you're using?
[0:03] <haltdef> viliv n5
[0:08] <openstandards> have you done a lspci on it and done a search for the wifi driver?
[0:08] <haltdef> nope!
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[0:08] <haltdef> literally just got it installed
[0:09] <openstandards> ahh ok
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[0:36] <vgrade> haltdef, have you seen Mer and nemomobile for n900, http://www.youtube.com/user/nsuffys?feature=watch . This is a continuation on MeeGo work
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[0:47] <haltdef> meego was an unusable mess when I last flashed it
[0:50] <haltdef> nemomobile is new to me though
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[0:53] <vgrade> haltdef, give it a try http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Nemo
[0:53] <haltdef> is it in a state good enough to replace maemo entirely yet?
[0:54] <vgrade> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.NEMO.2012-01-05.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing/
[0:54] <vgrade> getting there, if your setup for dual boot from sdcard give it a go
[0:55] <haltdef> my n900 is unused nowadays
[0:55] <haltdef> replaced it with acheap ZTE blade, my umpc made it redundant so I slimmed down, got a more disposable phone
[0:55] <vgrade> a group of devs have been working on it since the demise on MeeGo so there has been much improvements
[0:56] <haltdef> nice
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[0:57] <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtzwswaN-k
[0:57] <vgrade> N9 softwaew on nemomobile
[0:58] <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCxjO0CXjw
[0:58] <piofcube> Error establishing a database connection on R-Pi site... I should have copied the post before submitting... I usually do just in case but forgot.
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[0:59] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[0:59] <traeak> !w
[0:59] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Jan 11 17:53:00 2012. Temp -9??C. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 77%. Later -5??C - -15??C. Condition: Snow
[0:59] <piofcube> let's see
[0:59] <piofcube> !w
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[0:59] <IT_Sean> !w
[0:59] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Thu Jan 12 02:53:00 2012. Temp 42??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%. Later 47??F - 36??F. Condition: Chance of Rain
[0:59] <PiBot> Thu: High 43??F Low 34??F :Condition Rain
[0:59] <PiBot> Fri: High 38??F Low 22??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[0:59] <PiBot> Sat: High 34??F Low 18??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[1:00] <piofcube> doesn't like me :-O
[1:00] <piofcube> !w
[1:01] <IT_Sean> you have to set a location
[1:01] <piofcube> I thought it took it from the IP addy?
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[1:02] <piofcube> If it did I would be in San Jose ;-)
[1:05] <IT_Sean> no
[1:05] <IT_Sean> you have to tell it where you are
[1:05] <piofcube> ah
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[1:57] <RITRedbeard> I fell into a coma and the raspberry pi still isn't available.
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[2:09] <cornet> duckinator: https://github.com/cornet/sheepy-bot # evening hack
[2:10] <cornet> duckinator: cinch based irc bot
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[2:48] <MystX> =O I didn't know there was a channel!
[2:49] <IT_Sean> there is
[2:49] <MystX> I know!
[2:50] <MystX> First question: how was this channel reg'd so fast? I put a request into freenode prbly a year ago.
[2:50] <ReggieUK> it's not a channel
[2:50] <ReggieUK> it's a room with many corners
[2:50] <MystX> 0.o
[2:51] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[2:51] <Thorn_> and the stupid corner is taken
[2:51] <MystX> Well. How'd you, er.. build it so fast?
[2:51] <ReggieUK> have we run out of corners yet?
[2:51] <MystX> Aww. I wasn't that interested in the stupid corner anyways.
[2:51] <ReggieUK> it's been running for months
[2:53] <MystX> sweet
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[2:54] <Thorn_> since 2011-08-15 to be precise
[2:54] <Thorn_> give or take a few days
[2:55] <Thorn_> i think
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[2:56] <MystX> Sorry, tnt followed me in
[2:56] <MystX> Ignore him.
[2:56] <MystX> >_>
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[2:59] <Thorn_> "... to be precise ... give or take a few days"
[3:00] * Thorn_ writes that one in the "microsoft-isms book"
[3:00] <MystX> Wasn't that the breif for Windows's progress bar devs?
[3:00] <Thorn_> probably
[3:01] <MystX> Lol.
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[3:38] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> Dear Santa. I've been good all year...Well most of the year....Okay f**k it, i'll buy my own
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[3:45] <duckinator> cornet: huh, i didn't realize how nice the plugin style of doing it was...may have to switch to that if i ever bother rewriting my ruby eval bot (which is quite scary atm, since i used no irc lib) :D
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[4:03] <DaQatz> Writing your own irc code isn't hard.
[4:04] <DaQatz> PiBot is in python all the irc code is custom.
[4:04] <DaQatz> And I've done it in C as well.
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[4:17] <duckinator> DaQatz: yea, i rushed though. i'm sure you can imagine all the places it got ugly :)
[4:18] <MystX> I just used twisted for mine >_>
[4:18] <DaQatz> I hate dependencies. If I have any choice I will write my own before using a lib.
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> That seems kinda pointless
[4:21] <tntexplosivesltd> reinvenying the wheel
[4:21] <tntexplosivesltd> * reinventing
[4:21] <DaQatz> Not really, most libs are used for one or two functions
[4:21] <DaQatz> Not
[4:21] <DaQatz> just making my own wheel.
[4:21] <MystX> I use the twisted irc lib. For every part of it
[4:21] <MystX> + a bit more =P
[4:21] <duckinator> DaQatz: ah, cinch is most definitely not like that. cinch makes it *way* simpler to write an irc bot. not sure about twisted, haven't touched that in ages
[4:22] <DaQatz> Aside from that I have learned to not trust must libs. Seems so few people know hwo to write code that does not leak.
[4:23] <DaQatz> If it's a lib I will use a lot of, or code that is hard for me to maintain.
[4:23] <DaQatz> That's a different story.
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> I must say that I steer clear of the C++ stl myself, it's horrible
[4:24] <DaQatz> stl?
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> so I can see where you are coming from
[4:24] <DaQatz> Yeah I agree.
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> standard template lib
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> uurc
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * iirc
[4:24] <DaQatz> C++ templates are cumbersome for the most part.
[4:25] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh yes
[4:25] <DaQatz> They have uses, but they are rare imo.
[4:25] <tntexplosivesltd> some people call me a "novice" for steering clear of it, but they have no idea
[4:26] <DaQatz> Novices steer clear do to not knowing them. Moderates use them a lot. Seasoned programmers avoid because they know better.
[4:27] <tntexplosivesltd> it's more annoying when those making the accusations are writing other libs I use
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[4:27] <tntexplosivesltd> namely SFML
[4:28] <tntexplosivesltd> afk
[4:28] <MystX> Also GWEN
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[6:08] <RITRedbeard> I have the Raspberry Pi earmarked for purchase for my grandchildren.
[6:20] <MystX> =3
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[6:22] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[6:37] <RITRedbeard> And I am twenty three years old.
[6:38] <MystX> 0.o
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[6:45] <nrdb> hi all
[6:46] <nrdb> those beta boards have been going for a lot of money.
[6:46] <MystX> Hello
[6:46] <MystX> Indeed
[6:47] <nrdb> MystX, hanging out for the production run myself, but as there only doing 10000 I think I will need to be lucky to get one.
[6:47] <MystX> Yeah same. Really hope I do though
[6:48] <MystX> I have plans
[6:48] * MystX rubs hands together
[6:48] <RITRedbeard> Do you have schematics?
[6:48] <RITRedbeard> Schemes?
[6:48] <MystX> Indeed.
[6:48] <MystX> Schematics too
[6:48] <nrdb> me wrings hands in anticipation
[6:49] <MystX> Currently building some TDMS->LVDS boards for R-Pi consumtion
[6:49] <RITRedbeard> I am thinking of just pulling the tri
[6:49] <MystX> consumption*
[6:49] <RITRedbeard> shit
[6:49] <RITRedbeard> I was just going to say that
[6:49] <MystX> lol
[6:49] <RITRedbeard> I was going to say thinking about pulling trigger on Beagleboard, the only thing that would sway me if they had direct LVDS interface on R-Pi
[6:49] <MystX> Aah yes I remember you from the forum
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> you using the two texas instrument ICs?
[6:50] <MystX> Yeah
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> or the TDMS receiver and national flatlink?
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> ah
[6:50] <MystX> Oh. er.
[6:50] <MystX> The latter
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> Well, National Semi is TI now.
[6:50] <MystX> ?
[6:50] <MystX> Yeah
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> But I think I mentioned solution using two TI ICs.
[6:50] <MystX> One TDMS->TTL, one TTL->LVDS
[6:51] <RITRedbeard> Make sure you have the right pull downs, apparently they're important in anal renentive signaling systems
[6:51] <MystX> Lol
[6:51] <MystX> Well I didnt make the schematic, so I'm hoping that it will work off the bat
[6:52] <RITRedbeard> I think the only thing with that is messing about with different panels
[6:52] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi would make a great recycle machine for dead laptops
[6:53] <RITRedbeard> but then it would inflate the price of mobile chassis on ebay over night
[6:54] <RITRedbeard> but I already have two Thinkpad 240s
[6:54] <RITRedbeard> goodbye mobile pentium TDP over 20W hello Model B with accesories probably around 5W draw
[6:56] <MystX> lol
[6:57] <nrdb> I got two things planed, a) a mytv frontend b) a ltsp terminal
[6:57] <MystX> Sweet.
[6:58] <MystX> Im also keen to put a R-Pi and a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" usb enclosure
[6:58] <MystX> Power the R-Pi from the enclosure power, reroute the usb HDD connection to the R-Pi
[6:59] <MystX> And the you have a 3.5" external HDD - Owait jokes it's a whole PC
[6:59] <nrdb> MystX, need to bring the video etc. out
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> I'm going to see if I can take what I call the Raspberry Pi Pepsi Challenge - Can you use Rasp Pi machine as daily driver/workstation replacement.
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[7:00] <nrdb> RITRedbeard, sounds easy to me, need to box it though.
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> For a month.
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> Six months?
[7:01] <MystX> Dont see why not
[7:01] <tntexplosivesltd> easy
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> my wall will be memory usage
[7:02] <MystX> nrdb: Yeah I know. Ill just cut holes for those
[7:02] <RITRedbeard> unless I use lynx or have my browser in remote x session
[7:02] <MystX> God imagemagick takes forever to compile
[7:03] <RITRedbeard> imagemagick is thar devil!!!!11111
[7:03] <MystX> Is not
[7:03] <RITRedbeard> awhile ago I was looking for methods to make thumbnails for a personal site (don't laugh, I don't do web work much)
[7:03] <RITRedbeard> and everyone basically instead of doing clever math and reading the file - USE IMAGEMAGICK LOLOLOLOLKSDOFSIDFI
[7:04] * MystX totally doesnt use it for his site that will be hosted on an R-Pi
[7:04] <nrdb> RITRedbeard, I think if you limit the number of open windows you should be fine. flash might chew though the memory, I would suggest a HDD with a swap partition.
[7:04] <MystX> >_>
[7:04] <tntexplosivesltd> i would do the latter
[7:04] <tntexplosivesltd> clever maths
[7:05] <RITRedbeard> I was banging my head against the wall because it was like asking how one should go about writing a compiler and getting the answer "Use Java"
[7:05] <RITRedbeard> an efficient compiler
[7:06] <RITRedbeard> so instead I said whatever just resize on the img src tag that's how the crappo web 2.0 pages all do it anyway
[7:06] <MystX> mmhm
[7:06] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, you monster
[7:06] <MystX> But really, I need to do cropping and scaling and shit
[7:07] <MystX> Of jpegs, tiffs, pngs and gifs
[7:08] <tntexplosivesltd> there must be something better
[7:09] <MystX> well this is the easiest..
[7:09] <RITRedbeard> the other solution was to use scheme/c scriptfu for GIMP
[7:09] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm yeah =/
[7:09] <tntexplosivesltd> nrdb: use surf
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[7:14] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> unforuntately not every machine has GIMP
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> and it's huge =(
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> there is that, too
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> and if you're going to install one popular GNU software package...
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> Well, why not emacs?
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> and the rest of them?
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> and it becomes this thing... and bleh.
[7:16] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[7:16] <MystX> Why not zoidberg?
[7:16] <tntexplosivesltd> eww emacs
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> Exactly.
[7:16] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, what is surf ?
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> "Eww, emacs."
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> nrdb: browser made by suckless. very small.
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> low mem usage
[7:18] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, remember the days when computers could get by just find with 16KB memory?
[7:18] <RITRedbeard> surf huh?
[7:18] <RITRedbeard> I'll have it try it
[7:19] <tntexplosivesltd> nrdb: no, i'm 19
[7:19] <tntexplosivesltd> no idea XD
[7:19] * nrdb ha ha ha..
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[7:20] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, had a Sinclair ZX80, 1KB RAM, could run games in that.
[7:21] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmm jealous
[7:21] <tntexplosivesltd> those look cool
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[7:22] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, http://oldcomputers.net/zx80.html
[7:22] <MystX> how much did c64s have?
[7:22] <nrdb> MystX, 64KB
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> dad has an amiga
[7:22] <MystX> bucketloads
[7:23] <tntexplosivesltd> it's cool
[7:23] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, I have several Amigas, designed and produced a 10MBit ethernet card for them.
[7:24] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh nice
[7:25] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, there autoconfig method for the cards was very neat. makes the plug@pray look crude.
[7:26] <nrdb> way off topic here.
[7:26] <tntexplosivesltd> lol awesome
[7:27] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing else is going on
[7:28] <nrdb> first computer owned?
[7:29] <tntexplosivesltd> toshiba satellite L500
[7:29] <tntexplosivesltd> can play all the games XD
[7:29] <tntexplosivesltd> bought 2 years ago
[7:30] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, spoilt ... know any programming?
[7:31] <MystX> Dont ask him that
[7:31] <tntexplosivesltd> spoilt? I paid for it myself
[7:31] <nrdb> MystX, why not.
[7:32] <nrdb> spoilt! nice fast capable computer first... (just kidding)
[7:33] <MystX> I had a Pentium 3 first. Fuck yeah
[7:33] <MystX> Well no, my parents had a PC before that
[7:33] <MystX> Played wolfenstein on it
[7:33] <tntexplosivesltd> i am good at lots of programming
[7:34] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, good to hear that.
[7:34] <tntexplosivesltd> and work as a telecommunications software engineer
[7:35] <nrdb> tntexplosivesltd, that sounds interesting.
[7:35] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX too XD
[7:35] <nrdb> I know quite a few languages myself, manly using python atm.
[7:36] <tntexplosivesltd> lol same, I hate it
[7:36] <MystX> Same, i love it
[7:37] <tntexplosivesltd> the dynamuc typing T_T
[7:44] <nrdb> seen the server side javascript... I don't know about that one.
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[7:49] <MystX> grr. laptop died
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[9:22] <tntexplosivesltd> does it matter to many here that the R-Pi won't be made in the UK?
[9:22] <MystX> Its a bit of a bummer really
[9:24] <tntexplosivesltd> I feel a little unsettled that it'll be made in taiwan and China
[9:25] <tntexplosivesltd> but I guess if it means they'll be here earlier
[9:33] <MystX> well the main thing was that it'll mean they're here on budget
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[10:03] <MystX> Watching the challanger launch =(
[10:05] <tntexplosivesltd> ='(
[10:07] <MystX> You think NASA would have learnt their lesson after that..
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[10:46] <haltdef> tntexplosivesltd, doesn't bother me
[10:47] <haltdef> it's not like it's a huge company trying to increase their profits, they did try to do it in the uk but doing so would destroy any profits they did have
[10:47] <haltdef> I blame retarded government :P
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, it is a bit stupid
[10:55] <rm> I just want it ASAP and for the stated price :P
[10:55] <rm> I doubt anyone outside UK (or outside EU) cares much about UK needing to restore UK's manufacture
[10:56] <tntexplosivesltd> rm: and so that the foundation can continue in future
[11:09] <R`> you are correct, i dont care about it :p
[11:10] <rm> I also hope this will get other manufacturers thinking
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> that would be good yes
[11:11] <rm> certainly e.g. Marvell would have no issue at all, hitting these same specs at the same price point
[11:12] <rm> but there wasn't this concept that a low-specced bare ARM board can be a popular end product
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[11:17] <Davespice> good morning
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[11:24] <tntexplosivesltd> good evening
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[11:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> morning tntexplosivesltd
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[14:11] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[14:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[14:11] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Jan 12 12:50:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 76%. Later 11??C - 5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny
[14:12] <Davespice> oh... hmm, what are the bot commands?
[14:12] <haltdef> nicola roberts' hometown
[14:12] <haltdef> <3
[14:12] <haltdef> the bot just has to be moved to a raspi when whoever runs it gets one
[14:13] <ReggieUK> are you offering to buy pibot a raspberry?
[14:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> #1 running pibot ;-p
[14:16] <IT_Sean> that'd be an expensive bot.
[14:18] <haltdef> ha
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[14:19] * Davespice grins
[14:20] <haltdef> charged n900 for messing with nemo on
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[14:26] <haltdef> is it just me or do card readers built into laptops always suck
[14:27] <IT_Sean> it's you
[14:27] <haltdef> :(
[14:27] <chris_99> nope they work pretty well for me
[14:27] <haltdef> maybe my microsd to sd is dying
[14:27] <ReggieUK> it's definitely you
[14:27] <victhor> same
[14:27] <ReggieUK> mine is awesome
[14:27] <chris_99> i find they work better than my usb card reader
[14:28] <haltdef> all cards I've tried are read only
[14:28] <haltdef> ee if I can hunt down an old full size sd
[14:28] <victhor> maybe your lock switch broke :P
[14:28] <ReggieUK> in general, the sd/mmc sockets on laptops have decent chipsets on them
[14:28] <IT_Sean> The SD reader in my thinkpad has never given me issue
[14:28] <ReggieUK> not some random crap in plastic
[14:28] <haltdef> this isn't a cheap thing either, decent dell XPS
[14:29] <haltdef> my older decent acer laptop had a crap reader too :P
[14:29] <ReggieUK> my reader is in an acer laptop, it's never given me any hassle
[14:29] <ReggieUK> does as it's damn well told
[14:29] <haltdef> you using a microsd adapter?
[14:29] <ReggieUK> yup
[14:29] <haltdef> nothing I own takes full size sd anymore
[14:30] <haltdef> until raspi ofc
[14:30] <ReggieUK> don't think I've got a real SD card here, they're all microSD
[14:30] <haltdef> holing off on buying a new class 10 one until someone mends linux
[14:30] <victhor> oh class 10 doesn't work on raspi?
[14:31] <victhor> I was planning to buy a class 10
[14:31] <haltdef> forums say there's a bug in the kernel somewhere, not raspi specific
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[14:31] <ReggieUK> which kernel version?
[14:31] <haltdef> I dunno
[14:31] <ReggieUK> and what's the bug
[14:32] <haltdef> class 10 SDs act weird
[14:32] <ReggieUK> so you're worrying about buying an SD card because of a random kernel version bug?
[14:32] <haltdef> not worrying, just holding off
[14:32] <ReggieUK> that is probably fixed by not upgrading to the latest kernel
[14:33] <victhor> I had a bug with the OMAP3 NAND controller that lasted from 2.6.36 I think, up to 3.0.0, at least.
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[14:34] * gobby has a class 10 SD card that I'm using under linux without issue
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[14:36] <victhor> next week I'll start buying all the raspi stuff I think.
[14:39] <haltdef> 30MB MMC card here
[14:39] <haltdef> what the jesus
[14:39] <haltdef> not useful but I can write to it, time to get a new adapter I guess
[14:44] <IT_Sean> 30MB?
[14:44] <IT_Sean> that doesn't sound useful at all :p
[14:44] <chris_99> also its SD you need isnt it
[14:45] <chris_99> has anyone tried compiling gentoo for arm
[14:45] <IT_Sean> For a raspi? Yeah... SD card.
[14:45] <chris_99> yeah
[14:46] <haltdef> need two new microsd adapters ????
[14:46] <haltdef> was hoping there would be a 4GB SD somewhere, best I could find was 512
[14:47] <chris_99> i might order one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcend-Flash-memory-card-Class/dp/B003VNKNF0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326375994&sr=8-1
[14:47] <chris_99> i use one for my slr and it works fine
[14:47] <haltdef> wow, cheaps
[14:47] <haltdef> pretty sure this 512MB SD cost me ??60
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[14:48] <chris_99> ?60!!
[14:48] <haltdef> long time ago
[14:48] <chris_99> ah
[14:48] <haltdef> 2004 ish, would have bought it for my dell axim
[14:48] <chris_99> ah, i've got an axim kicking about somewhere heh
[14:49] <haltdef> x50v, better screen than the first iphone
[14:49] <haltdef> predates it by a good few years too
[14:50] <chris_99> they were pretty nifty devices
[14:53] <chris_99> i'm wondering to go with debian/gentoo has anyone else started running an arm distro in qemu
[14:55] <rm> Debian will work fine
[14:55] <rm> I have Debian installed on an ARM pocket PC with 64 MB of RAM
[14:55] <chris_99> ooh cool
[14:55] <rm> 64 is too small
[14:55] <rm> 256 will work much better
[14:56] <chris_99> i'm hoping to use it to play hd videos
[14:56] <chris_99> attached to my tv
[14:56] <chris_99> along with another in the car for music
[15:01] <IT_Sean> How are you planning on controlling the in car one?
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[15:04] <victhor> I hope they manage to fix the Class 10 SD bug before launch, using slow large capacity SD cards doesn't seem very good
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[15:05] <dmsuse> hi :)
[15:05] <haltdef> it's more about the random performance rather than sequential though, which is all the class guarantees
[15:05] <chris_99> ive got car thats got volume control and buttons for chaning radio station, so i was thinking about hacking it up to that IT_Sean
[15:05] <chris_99> *a car
[15:06] <IT_Sean> That could be really tricky.
[15:06] <chris_99> i've got a logic analyser and a multimeter so i figure i should be able to do it
[15:07] <IT_Sean> Those steering wheel controls are typically sent to the radio over a single pair of wires. Each button is in line with a different resistor. The radio knows which button was pressed by measuring the resistance.
[15:07] <chris_99> aha interesting, so an adc could be used
[15:08] <IT_Sean> Unless you have a newer, higher end car in whcih the steering wheel controls are routed over an optical network to the cars BCM.
[15:08] <victhor> depends on the car, I've seen controllers that had lots of pins
[15:08] <ReggieUK> ewww, so they wander with heat
[15:08] <victhor> lots = over 6.
[15:08] <Dagger2> yeah, you don't want to be using class 10 SD cards; they tend to have random write speeds of 20k/s or less
[15:08] <chris_99> nah mines an old renault clio
[15:08] <IT_Sean> probably using different resistors then
[15:08] <victhor> that controller I was talking about came from a 20
[15:08] <victhor> 206*
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[15:08] <Dagger2> which is... painfully slow, and many class 4 cards are better
[15:09] <chris_99> my class 10 defonitely gets better than 20k/s Dagger2
[15:09] <haltdef> I have tons of class 4 cards :P
[15:09] <IT_Sean> 99% sure it is NOT going to be a seperate pin for each button.
[15:09] <chris_99> as its used by my slr for hd video
[15:09] <haltdef> he's talking random, chris_99
[15:09] <Dagger2> ah yes, HD video recorders, well-known for their random writing patterns
[15:09] <IT_Sean> Although, knowing the french... it could be anything.
[15:09] <chris_99> haha
[15:09] <Dagger2> benchmark it with e.g. http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html if you're on Windows
[15:09] <chris_99> i'm ok attaching a PIC to the Pi to do the ADC stuff
[15:10] * IT_Sean should keep his mough shut on that front, he supposes, having never had the displeasure of owning a french car
[15:10] <victhor> don't make me talk about the awkward system I saw in a renault manual
[15:10] <dmsuse> does the stereo have a remote control (ir) ?
[15:10] <IT_Sean> *mouth
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[15:10] <victhor> controller is connected to a screen mounted on the dashboard, which is in turn connected to the radio.
[15:10] <chris_99> nat it doesn't dmsuse
[15:10] <IT_Sean> Renault are known for being... .... quirky.
[15:11] <victhor> I think all of them use I2C (quite fitting as the radio in question had lots of philips components)
[15:11] <haltdef> got a 16GB, 8GB and many 2GB micros, guess I'll just see which performa best, slap that in the pi
[15:18] <victhor> so I was looking at some benchmarks, the really fast cards are unsurprisingly expensive
[15:18] <IT_Sean> gotta pay to play.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> Does the raspi even support the higher speeds of those "faster" cards, though?
[15:19] <dmsuse> victhor: what are the speeds of the expensive one's ?
[15:19] <victhor> 3 MB/s
[15:19] <victhor> random
[15:20] <dmsuse> that's disappointing...
[15:21] <victhor> these cards are rated for sequential write performance...
[15:21] <victhor> not much use on a computer
[15:24] <dmsuse> i have just seen some on ebay with read around 17 and write around 15
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[15:25] <dmsuse> i would be interested to know the max speed the raspberrypi can handle
[15:26] <victhor> that is sequential write
[15:27] <victhor> and sequential read
[15:27] <victhor> sequential operations are much faster, but random ones are more likely on a computer like this.
[15:28] <dmsuse> Class 10 asserts that the card supports 10 MB/s as a minimum non-fragmented sequential write speed
[15:29] <dmsuse> wouldn't it be better to use a usb memory stick?
[15:29] <victhor> until there is a bootloader for it, it's not possible AFAIK, and I need the USB ports for something else
[15:31] <dmsuse> i read somewhere the usb can support over 128 devices
[15:31] <IT_Sean> That's part of the USB spec, iirc. 128 devices / controller.
[15:32] * ReggieUK waits to see what bandwidth issues would occur with 128 devices all fighting for the same bandwidth
[15:32] <victhor> I think the bus is already too crowded for me (in my case it would have the integrated LAN on the model B and 2 external drives)
[15:32] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: it would SUCK.
[15:32] <ReggieUK> donkey balls through a hosepipe?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> Elephant.
[15:32] <ReggieUK> or through a drinking straw
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Elephant balls through a bendy drinking straw
[15:33] <ReggieUK> I can see the bendy bit being a major hurdle
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[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm
[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> It is likely that the server hosting the web page has been overloaded or encountered an error. In order to avoid causing too much traffic and making the situation worse, Google Chrome has temporarily stopped allowing requests to the server.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> ?
[15:50] <Davespice> talking about french cars... I used to own a Renault Espace 3.0 =)
[15:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> on the raspberr.org
[15:50] <Davespice> it was bloody quick =)
[15:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> raspberry*
[15:50] <IT_Sean> why would anyone ever own an espace? and more importantly, why would they admit to it!?
[15:50] <Davespice> I shall tell you...
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[15:51] <Davespice> it was only using it for a charity road rally... I actually did the car up to look like a space shuttle
[15:51] <IT_Sean> oh
[15:51] <IT_Sean> in that case...
[15:51] <IT_Sean> AWEOSME!
[15:51] <Davespice> I'll link pics, stand by
[15:51] <IT_Sean> cant click anyway
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[15:53] <Davespice> http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w283/teamclsm/Scumrun 2010
[15:53] * IT_Sean has only ever driven a french car once. And oddly enough, the thought it was rather good.
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[15:55] <IT_Sean> A friend loaned me a Peugeot 405 estate in Bermuda a few years ago. Pretty good car.
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[15:57] <Davespice> yeah, they're not too bad
[15:57] <Davespice> that rally I was in, the rules are your car has to be ??500 or under
[15:58] <Davespice> so its basically like Whackey Races =)
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> renault 5 gt-turbo - was a car and a half to drive ....
[15:58] <Davespice> the espace we had was worth about ??1500 but we got it for ??400 because it had a faulty auto box
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[15:59] <Davespice> RaTTuS, that was the little tiny one right?
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
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[16:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha forum is back for me now
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[17:01] <LiENUS> ... all i have to say is this
[17:01] <LiENUS> http://www.pranavmistry.com/projects/sixthsense/
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[17:05] <victhor> cool
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[17:07] <LiENUS> that would be awsom with raspi
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[17:09] <dmsuse> i would rather use voice commands
[17:09] <LiENUS> do a microphone with it
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[17:11] <dmsuse> is there a microphone socket on the pi?
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[17:11] <LiENUS> usb?
[17:12] <dmsuse> :p
[17:20] <ReggieUK> kinect?
[17:20] <ReggieUK> give it voice and gesture in one go
[17:21] <LiENUS> still need projector
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[17:51] <cousteau> will the final RPi have GPIO pins?
[17:51] <cousteau> that would be nice...
[17:52] <Dagger2> you'll have to solder the pin header on yourself
[17:52] <cousteau> ouch... but it can be done, right? I mean, easily
[17:52] <cousteau> no hot air or weird SMD or anything
[17:52] <slaeshjag> 2.54mm pitch through-hole
[17:53] <slaeshjag> iirc
[17:54] <jzu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/464 shows the holes
[17:54] <Dagger2> slaeshjag: yeah, that's right... so it's fine if you're capable of soldering
[17:54] * Dagger2 is not :(
[17:54] <IT_Sean> learn
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[17:54] <slaeshjag> Dagger2: Anyone can solder 2.54mm pitch through-hole
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[17:55] <cousteau> wil it have the ??SD slot soldered?
[17:55] <slaeshjag> Dagger2: At least with minimal learning
[17:55] <jzu> just use lead solder
[17:55] <slaeshjag> It's regular SD?
[17:55] <cousteau> Dagger2, I think soldering is easy... at least for that size
[17:55] <Dagger2> I have learned. I somehow manage to fail anyway
[17:55] <cousteau> (not tiny SMD or hot air stuff)
[17:56] <cousteau> Dagger2, put some flux and some tin in the solder before
[17:56] <slaeshjag> Dagger2: Heating the surface, not the lead is the only thing to it
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[17:56] <jzu> the solder has to wet the metal, which must be hot enough, but 2 seconds are sufficient to heat it
[17:57] <jzu> otherwise, the metal will cool the solder before it can get a grip
[17:57] <cousteau> Or, the raspberry pi could come with GPIO pins already soldered
[17:58] <jzu> lead solder is easier to use than lead-free
[17:58] <slaeshjag> cousteau: makes it more expensive to make
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[17:58] <cousteau> slaeshjag, significantly more expensive?
[17:59] <zgreg> keep in mind that you should never mix lead and lead-free solder
[17:59] <Thorn_> it would have added an extra ??60 onto the cost
[17:59] <cousteau> like, > $1?
[17:59] <Thorn_> since the only place that manufactures 2x13 0.1" headers is mars and they'd have to ship directly
[17:59] * Dagger2 takes notes
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[18:00] <cousteau> Thorn_, so even more expensive than getting ice from Antarctica?
[18:01] <jzu> or, you could order from Mars on eBay, but shipping would be expensive
[18:01] <Dagger2> I did wonder if I'd have any better luck with lead solder, so I bought some the other year... I have however become very good at avoiding doing any soldering, so I haven't got around to trying yet
[18:01] <cousteau> What about the JTAG? Will it be soldered? (And what is it for?)
[18:01] <Dagger2> well, lead solder was what I bought. the paper wrapped around it informs me it is "high grade solrer" though :-)
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[18:05] <WASDx> Did you see the $15 computer? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15
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[18:06] <WASDx> specs: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
[18:06] <dmsuse> i saw that the other day
[18:07] <WASDx> i heard about it too recently but just came across the article
[18:08] <WASDx> apparently it's better than the rpi
[18:08] <LiENUS> so has the owner of #10 goten his in hand yet?
[18:08] <LiENUS> gotten*
[18:09] <dmsuse> WASDx: does it say how much power it will use?
[18:09] <dmsuse> LiENUS: the owners should make a youtube of them
[18:09] <WASDx> no idea, havnt read much
[18:10] <WASDx> LiENUS: I would guess so, since it was a week ago it got sold
[18:10] <WASDx> assuming they shipped about when the actuion ended
[18:10] <dmsuse> i hope someone half intelligent bought one and puts up lots of youtube videos :D
[18:10] <cousteau> WASDx, I think it lacks some ports
[18:10] <cousteau> like, hdmi, sd...
[18:10] <Dagger2> "mass-volume pricing (just for the CPU card, and therefore excluding tax, shipping, profit, a case and a power supply) looks to be on target for around $15" -- I think it might end up going for more than $15
[18:10] * cousteau re-reads the specs
[18:11] <Dagger2> though it would have to go for a fair bit more to be uninteresting
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[18:12] <cousteau> hmm, it does have a micro sd/mmc
[18:12] <cousteau> slot
[18:12] <slaeshjag> That kinda put me off
[18:12] <LiENUS> whatd #01 end up going for?
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[18:13] <haltdef> 3.5k I believe
[18:16] <cousteau> what they don't say is whether it can get a Fedora or a Debian installed on it... maybe it doesn't even have a monitor output, that would suck
[18:17] <duckinator> cousteau: I think the A10 will be interesting, but from what I've seen they're *FAR* less open about how far along they are than the RPi Foundation so I'm not going to keep my hopes up
[18:17] <duckinator> i mean shit, they talk about this git repo blah blah blah blah.........where?
[18:17] <cousteau> I mean, I'm pretty sure that the RPi could get way cheaper by removing lots of stuff
[18:18] <duckinator> either i'm missing something or there's no link to the git repo on their page...probably the former since i just woke up
[18:18] <duckinator> but i've looked into it before and didn't see it then, so i dunno *shrug*
[18:18] <cousteau> also, frequency != speed, the architecture also helps
[18:18] <duckinator> yea
[18:19] <LiENUS> cousteau, they do one thing rpi doesnt though
[18:19] <LiENUS> modular ram
[18:19] <cousteau> hmm
[18:19] <dmsuse> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Powered-Portable-Dual-Monitor-Laptop-13-15-17-MacBook-Mac-LCD-Screen-/350494365391?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item519b1796cf
[18:19] <cousteau> so it can be extended?
[18:19] <dmsuse> a usb powered monitor with hdmi :O
[18:19] <duckinator> LiENUS: that's *definitely* a good move, even if you have to not use the old RAM to upgrade it
[18:20] <duckinator> because at least you'll be able to upgrade it
[18:20] * duckinator would love a Pi with 512MB RAM
[18:20] <LiENUS> duckinator, im guessing it comes without ram
[18:20] <dmsuse> duckinator: you can use the sd card as ram
[18:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'd love Rpi
[18:21] <cousteau> dmsuse, as swap?
[18:21] <dmsuse> yeah
[18:21] <cousteau> kinda slowish, but yeah
[18:22] <cousteau> how much do cortex a8 and arm 11 cost each one? I'm pretty sure the difference isn't really $10
[18:24] <cousteau> the thing is, is that allwinner thing built and tested?
[18:25] <cousteau> (not that this is like a competition to see who makes the bestest and most cheapest Soc/PC...)
[18:26] <haltdef> I don't think using the broadcom soc they are using was about price, more about getting anyone to accept such a small order
[18:27] <Davespice> I wonder what kind of demo scene will spring up around the Pi
[18:27] <Davespice> anyone going to try and make one?
[18:28] <dmsuse> demo ?
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[18:35] <vvvfjjuoghg> dmsuse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene
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[18:36] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[18:37] <dmsuse> ah , thanks.
[18:38] <cousteau> Is PiBot a greetbot? and if it is, why haven't I been greated?
[18:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> cousteau becase you have not told it to
[18:38] <cousteau> ok
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[18:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh is that the time...
[18:38] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> let me find a pub
[18:39] <IT_Sean> no. No it isn't
[18:39] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[18:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> back in a few hours or so ...
[18:39] <IT_Sean> or a few days?
[18:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> tomorrow probably ;-p
[18:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> back later
[18:39] <DoctorD> what's hearing about raspberry pi ?
[18:40] <DaQatz> !w
[18:40] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Jan 12 22:18:00 2012. Temp 27??F. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 93%. Later 34??F - 27??F. Condition: Snow
[18:40] <PiBot> Fri: High 38??F Low 18??F :Condition Chance of Ice
[18:40] <PiBot> Sat: High 22??F Low -1??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:40] <PiBot> Sun: High 13??F Low -1??F :Condition Clear
[18:40] <DoctorD> i see they are seling 100 raspyberry pi's ?!
[18:40] <DoctorD> !w
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[18:41] <LiENUS> wat?
[18:41] <DaQatz> DoctorD, try !w LOCATION
[18:42] <LiENUS> last i heard they were selling 10
[18:42] <LiENUS> and sold em all
[18:42] <DaQatz> It has no clue where you are
[18:42] <DoctorD> DaQatz: thanks
[18:42] <DoctorD> !w Bacau
[18:42] <PiBot> DoctorD: in Bacau, Bacau on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp 41??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 65%. Later 50??F - 30??F. Condition: Partly Sunny
[18:42] <DoctorD> hehe..thanks
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[18:44] <IT_Sean> LiENUS: they sold the ten prototype boards. The production release will be happening late this month, in theory.
[18:44] <Davespice> !w London
[18:44] <PiBot> Davespice: in London on Thu Jan 12 17:20:00 2012. Temp 48??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 66%. Later 55??F - 36??F. Condition: Partly Sunny
[18:44] <IT_Sean> !w hell
[18:44] <PiBot> Not found.
[18:44] <LiENUS> IT_Sean, someone said they were selling 100
[18:44] <LiENUS> just now
[18:44] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[18:45] <LiENUS> was trying to figure out what he got that from
[18:45] <IT_Sean> LiENUS: Who said that?
[18:45] <Davespice> is that London UK?
[18:45] <LiENUS> DoctorD
[18:45] <IT_Sean> dunno where he got that.
[18:45] <cousteau> so, either this confirms my theory of PiBot being a bot, or PiBot has no life and is googling all that info
[18:45] <LiENUS> !w baton rouge
[18:45] <PiBot> LiENUS: in Baton Rouge, LA on Thu Jan 12 16:53:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 57%. Later 52??F - 25??F. Condition: Clear
[18:45] <IT_Sean> The ten (10) beta boards have been auctioned. The production release has not happened yet.
[18:45] <LiENUS> HAH wrong my car was 49!
[18:45] <IT_Sean> cousteau: he just has no life. :p
[18:45] <cousteau> !w Madrid
[18:45] <PiBot> cousteau: in Madrid, Madrid on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp 46??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 57%. Later 52??F - 34??F. Condition: Fog
[18:46] <IT_Sean> PiBot, shutup.
[18:46] <cousteau> hmm, how is it sunny in London?
[18:46] <IT_Sean> cousteau: what do you mean?
[18:46] <cousteau> I don't think it's so sunny in London right now
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[18:47] <Davespice> its dark here
[18:47] <IT_Sean> !w SL85YS
[18:47] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in SL85YS on Thu Jan 12 21:20:00 2012. Temp 48??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 66%. Later 54??F - 30??F. Condition: Partly Sunny
[18:47] <PiBot> Fri: High 43??F Low 27??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[18:47] <PiBot> Sat: High 37??F Low 25??F :Condition Fog
[18:47] <PiBot> Sun: High 41??F Low 23??F :Condition Fog
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Sunny in bourne end, too, according to the bot.
[18:48] <LiENUS> you think a raspberrypi has enough oomph to handle real time ntsc mpeg4 encoding?
[18:48] <LiENUS> from an analog source coming in via usb
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[18:49] <LiENUS> !w antartica
[18:49] <PiBot> Not found.
[18:49] <LiENUS> !w antarctica
[18:49] <PiBot> Not found.
[18:49] <LiENUS> oh hmm spelling wasnt the issue lol
[18:51] <wiiguy> !w spijkenisse
[18:51] <PiBot> wiiguy: in Spijkenisse, South Holland on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp 45??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%. Later 49??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain
[18:51] <IT_Sean> haha... chance of rain.
[18:51] <cousteau> ...ugh, wait...
[18:52] <cousteau> !w --celsius Madrid
[18:52] <PiBot> cousteau: in Madrid, Madrid on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp 46??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 57%. Later 52??F - 34??F. Condition: Fog
[18:52] <cousteau> hmm
[18:52] <IT_Sean> !help
[18:52] <IT_Sean> it's !weather_set c
[18:53] <IT_Sean> to change to cellciumus
[18:53] <IT_Sean> or whatever it is that you use
[18:53] <cousteau> nothing... just "!w (forecast) <LOCATION>"
[18:53] <IT_Sean> did you try !weather_set c
[18:53] <cousteau> but you can't do it on a single query? just "use ??C for me and everyone else after someone does !weather_set again"?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> no
[18:54] <IT_Sean> you SET it
[18:54] <IT_Sean> then you use !w
[18:54] <cousteau> hmm
[18:54] <IT_Sean> it's on a per user basis
[18:54] <cousteau> !weather_set k
[18:54] <traeak> !w
[18:54] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Jan 12 11:53:00 2012. Temp -2??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 38%. Later 1??C - -11??C. Condition: Clear
[18:54] <cousteau> oh, ok then
[18:54] <IT_Sean> so it'd be C for you, and F for the intelligent parts of the world
[18:54] <Davespice> !w Fairbanks
[18:54] <PiBot> Davespice: in Fairbanks, AK on Thu Jan 12 16:55:00 2012. Temp -8??F. Condition: Snow, Humidity: 77%. Later 2??F - -27??F. Condition: Snow
[18:54] <cousteau> !w Madrid
[18:54] <PiBot> cousteau: in Madrid, Madrid on Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970. Temp 46??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 57%. Later 52??F - 34??F. Condition: Fog
[18:54] <cousteau> damn, no kelvin
[18:55] <IT_Sean> no, it'll only do farfrompoopin and celcimus
[18:55] <Davespice> ahh well, I'm off - night all o/
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[18:55] <cousteau> no kalvin? no ranking?
[18:55] <IT_Sean> i think you mean kelvin. kalvin isn't a measure of anything.
[18:56] <IT_Sean> and no, it doesn't do kelvin, iirc
[18:56] <cousteau> IT_Sean, well, neither is farfoompoopin
[18:56] <cousteau> nor celcimus
[18:56] <cousteau> nor ranking, only rankine
[18:57] <IT_Sean> dunno what that one is
[18:57] <IT_Sean> never 'erd of it
[18:57] <LiENUS> when the raspi comes out
[18:57] * cousteau should have said "kalvin and rankobbs"
[18:57] <LiENUS> you guys should get a buncha weather sensors
[18:57] <cousteau> IT_Sean, like kelvin but using fahrenheit instead of celsius
[18:57] <LiENUS> and drop em off all over the world for PiBot to use for more accurate weather
[18:57] <cousteau> does rpi have wifi?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> cousteau: No.
[18:58] <cousteau> makes little sense if it doesn't
[18:58] <IT_Sean> it hasn't got bluetooth either
[18:58] <DaQatz> I can add Kalvin pretty easy.
[18:58] <cousteau> and zigbee?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> nor does it have an arse wiping attachment
[18:58] <IT_Sean> it has USB, and if you get the model B, ethernet
[18:58] <cousteau> wow, wireless sensor network made of RPi would rock
[18:58] <IT_Sean> it actually makes a LOT of sense, even without wifi.
[18:58] <cousteau> and probably devour electricity
[18:58] <dmsuse> i would have preferred wifi over ethernet
[18:59] <IT_Sean> it is NOT a super computer people... it is a cheap programming & dev board.
[19:00] <haltdef> people want the moon on a stick from this device
[19:00] * IT_Sean is getting a little irritated at all the people that bitch about it not haveing X feature, like wifi, bluetooth, holographic projection technology, etc...
[19:00] <LiENUS> my intention is to use them to convert analog vidya signals to mpeg4
[19:00] <IT_Sean> it has USB, ethernet, HDMI, audio and GPIO. Anything else, you will have to add.
[19:00] <haltdef> buy a pandaboard if you want more features, you are not the primary target audience for this device and never will be
[19:00] <dmsuse> then i guess you wont want raspberrpi pi v2 ;)
[19:00] <haltdef> you'll also pay a lot more than 20 quid
[19:00] <LiENUS> to convert my security cameras from analog to ethernet
[19:01] <haltdef> mpeg4 encoding on a 700mhz armv6?
[19:01] <dmsuse> haltdef: that's not true, some guy posted in here an hour ago a similar device with twice the power plus more connectivity for half the price of the pi
[19:01] <LiENUS> haltdef, yeah doubt it'll go well
[19:01] <haltdef> be fun trying at least
[19:01] <LiENUS> though i dont have to use mpeg4 encoding
[19:01] <LiENUS> as long as it'll run on a 100mbit network
[19:02] <haltdef> dmsuse, what was the catch?
[19:02] <dmsuse> it isn't made yet lol
[19:02] <LiENUS> hell if its got enough beef behind it i might could have it do my motion detection
[19:02] <LiENUS> and save more bandwidth
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[19:38] <IT_Sean> who keeps nicking my modems!!!!???
[19:40] <xlq> Not me.
[19:42] <LiENUS> whats a good source for heatshrink?
[19:42] <LiENUS> monoprice has 100ft rolls for 15 bucks
[19:42] <LiENUS> but they only come in 15mm 20mm and 30mm
[19:44] <IT_Sean> rattyshack?
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[19:44] <LiENUS> ratty shack like 10$ for 2 ft
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[19:45] <ukscone> IT_Sean: don't knock people stealing your modems or modem cables. that once saved my life or at least serius injury
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> ukscone: how so?
[19:45] <ukscone> if someone hadn't stolen my modem cable i would have been caught in the kings cross fire
[19:46] <dmsuse> oh cool gentoo supports arm
[19:46] <ukscone> i was going to stay late and catch the later train home but someone had stolen my modem cable and moved the modem anyway so i caught the earlier train
[19:47] <ukscone> 10 mins later the fire filled the whole tube station and i'd have been right in the middle of it
[19:47] <LiENUS> ...
[19:47] <LiENUS> wat
[19:47] <IT_Sean> wow
[19:47] <LiENUS> sounds like an episode of my name is earl
[19:48] <ukscone> missed the 1987 english hurricane and serious injury as i was pissed off at my boss
[19:48] <LiENUS> ukscone, is your name hash brown?
[19:48] <LiENUS> are you a former thug turned religious preacher?
[19:49] <ukscone> he pissed me off so i told him to go screw himself i wasn't going to his house to install the pc and tied line that night. that night a tree went through the bedroom i'd have been sleeping in
[19:49] <LiENUS> ...
[19:49] <ukscone> missed 9/11 because i decided to have a lie in
[19:50] <ukscone> i was due to have a breakfast meeting there but after kicking the kid off to school, wife and room mate to work i decided i'd have an extra nap in the living room so rang and told the guy i'd be late
[19:51] <ukscone> woke up just as the first plane hit which is when i'd have been in the wtc
[19:53] <IT_Sean> jeeez
[19:53] <DoctorD> ukscone: you were lucky
[19:53] <IT_Sean> you are one lucky bastard
[19:53] <xlq> As Tintin would say, your guardian angel must have a full-time job.
[19:53] <DoctorD> i think you get drunk after that..right ?:))
[19:53] <DoctorD> haha..how much is he payed
[19:55] <ukscone> yup a few other near misses too but it does mean i'll never win the lottery as i have already used my share of luck
[19:55] <LiENUS> ...
[19:56] <IT_Sean> I'd rather have the good luck to not be dead than the good luck to win the lotto
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[19:56] <IT_Sean> not rich & alive trumps wealthy and dead any day.
[19:57] <LiENUS> we all gonna die neway
[19:58] <ukscone> i'd prefer rich alive
[19:58] <cousteau> except for robots
[19:58] <cousteau> and vampires
[19:58] <cousteau> and sons of Dagon
[19:58] <LiENUS> ...
[19:58] <LiENUS> of who?
[19:59] <LiENUS> you been watching too many poorly done syfy channel originals
[19:59] <cousteau> ...damn, "The shadow over Innsmouth" was a scary one
[19:59] <LiENUS> dagon is sposed to be cthulhu
[19:59] <cousteau> ??
[19:59] <cousteau> no, I thought they were different deities
[19:59] <piofcube> I bet Lovecraft turned in his grave LOL
[20:00] <LiENUS> cousteau, yeah the syfy movie dagon is supposed to be cthulhu
[20:00] <LiENUS> dagon was only done once in lovecrafts stuff
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[20:00] <LiENUS> and it was nothing like that
[20:00] <cousteau> LiENUS, I'm talking about a book
[20:00] <cousteau> you know, that thing with papers on it... you know the WinRAR icon? well it's based on these "books"
[20:01] <piofcube> Though they knicked some of the cthulu ideas for Dr Who's oods (or whetever they're called)
[20:01] <cousteau> I doubt HPL got any ideas from DrWho
[20:01] <piofcube> LOL.. other way 'round ;-)
[20:02] <IT_Sean> well... DrWho can travel in time, so...
[20:02] <cousteau> oh, "for", not "from"... sorry
[20:02] <IT_Sean> I had a physical therapist named Dr Whu once (pronounced "Who")
[20:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:03] <piofcube> I knew a doc called DR Whence not spelled right but sounds the same
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[20:08] <cousteau> is there a "Doctor When" that transforms into other people?
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[20:09] <LiENUS> isnt dagon supposed to be one of the children anyway?
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[20:12] <cousteau> "father dagon" sounds familiar to me
[20:14] <piofcube> From Craggy Island i think? ;-)
[20:14] <cousteau> what I wanted to say, is that those fish guys (these ones: http://www.goominet.com/unspeakable-vault/vault/1/Deepoines/) never die
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[20:15] <cousteau> (unless killed... but they never die of being old)
[20:16] <LiENUS> me too
[20:16] <LiENUS> i dont die of being old, only if killed
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[20:19] <cousteau> LiENUS, tell me that in 200 years
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[20:19] <cousteau> (if you manage to not get killed)
[20:19] <LiENUS> will you be around?
[20:19] <cousteau> hmm
[20:19] <cousteau> doctor who will
[20:20] <cousteau> I'll call him and ask him for his time thingy
[20:20] <LiENUS> i'll tell him to go back in time and tell you right before you ie
[20:20] <LiENUS> die*
[20:20] * cousteau doesn't like these conversations... suddenly, heart attack!
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[20:21] <LiENUS> HNGGGG
[20:22] * cousteau promises to actually type "HNGGGG" if he gets a heart attack while on IRC
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[20:26] <DaQatz> PiBot now supports kalvin
[20:26] <chris_99> ?
[20:26] <DaQatz> !w
[20:26] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Jan 12 23:49:00 2012. Temp 28??F. Condition: Snow, Humidity: 86%. Later 32??F - 27??F. Condition: Snow
[20:26] <PiBot> Fri: High 38??F Low 18??F :Condition Chance of Ice
[20:26] <PiBot> Sat: High 22??F Low -1??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[20:26] <PiBot> Sun: High 13??F Low -1??F :Condition Clear
[20:27] <DaQatz> !weather_set k
[20:27] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using kalvin.
[20:27] <DaQatz> !w
[20:27] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Jan 12 23:49:00 2012. Temp 271K. Condition: Snow, Humidity: 86%. Later 273K - 270K. Condition: Snow
[20:27] <PiBot> Fri: High 276K Low 265K :Condition Chance of Ice
[20:27] <PiBot> Sat: High 267K Low 254K :Condition Mostly Sunny
[20:27] <PiBot> Sun: High 262K Low 254K :Condition Clear
[20:27] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[20:27] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[20:27] <chris_99> that should be kelvin?
[20:27] <DaQatz> oops
[20:27] <DaQatz> typo
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[20:30] <DaQatz> !weather_set k
[20:30] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using kelvin.
[20:30] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[20:30] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[20:32] <cousteau> yaaay!
[20:32] <cousteau> !w Madrid
[20:32] <PiBot> cousteau: in Madrid, Madrid on unknown. Temp 45??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 61%. Later 52??F - 34??F. Condition: Fog
[20:32] <cousteau> ok, doesn't remember when I told it to use "k"
[20:32] <cousteau> !weather_set k
[20:32] <PiBot> cousteau: You're now using kelvin.
[20:33] <cousteau> yaaay! kelviiin!
[20:33] <chris_99> hehe
[20:33] <cousteau> !weather_set r
[20:33] <cousteau> !w Madrid
[20:33] <PiBot> cousteau: in Madrid, Madrid on unknown. Temp 280K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 61%. Later 284K - 274K. Condition: Fog
[20:33] <DaQatz> No r
[20:33] <cousteau> I see
[20:33] <cousteau> I think degrees rankine are like those "grad" some calculators have
[20:33] <cousteau> nobody uses them, but they're there "just in case"
[20:34] <DaQatz> Try !weather_set loc Madrid
[20:34] <piofcube> But what about Delisle or Reaumur?
[20:34] <DaQatz> Then you cna just use !w
[20:35] <cousteau> Re degrees sound familiar
[20:35] <DaQatz> piofcube, how obscure does it need to be?
[20:35] <cousteau> also another ones that sounded just like "reaumur" but were written different
[20:35] <piofcube> romer with a funny o
[20:36] <DaQatz> Also a note you don't say "degrees kelvin" you just say "kelvin"
[20:36] <vvvfjjuoghg> R??mer?
[20:36] <DaQatz> Thus the lack of ?
[20:37] <piofcube> If you count the number of time a grasshopper chirps in one minute and divide that number by something, you'll get the temperature
[20:37] <DaQatz> I can add new measuring scales easily now though.
[20:37] <DaQatz> because before it used a boolean value.
[20:37] <DaQatz> That took some moding
[20:39] <cousteau> R??mer scale
[20:39] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: knowing the value of "something" is rather important...
[20:39] <cousteau> yes
[20:39] <cousteau> DaQatz, exactly, ??C, ??F, ??R, K
[20:40] <DaQatz> IT_Sean, before I only needed to if it was C or F. So C was true and F was false.
[20:40] <ukscone> it's chrips in 15 seconds and add 37
[20:40] <ukscone> to get temp from as crickeet
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[20:40] <cousteau> ukscone, and what you get?
[20:40] <cousteau> celsius, fahrenheit or kelvin?
[20:40] <ukscone> in fahreheit
[20:41] <cousteau> oh, so it's linear + padding... so we could define a cricket temperature!
[20:41] <ukscone> so then take off 30 and halve it to get a rough estimate in a real temp
[20:41] <cousteau> so T [??F] = cpm / 4 + 37
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[20:42] <DaQatz> R?mer = Celsius?21/40+7.5
[20:42] <dmsuse> piofcube: lol is that for real?
[20:43] <cousteau> T [??C] = 5/9 * (cpm / 4 + 37 - 32) = 5/9 * (cpm / 4 + 5) = 5/36 * cpm + 25/9
[20:43] <cousteau> easy
[20:44] <piofcube> dmsuse I think ukscone had the maths bit right but yeah
[20:45] <dmsuse> but how do you know you are hearing the same grasshopper?
[20:45] <cousteau> Cricket = Celsius * 36/5 - 20
[20:45] <IT_Sean> cpm = crickets per minute?
[20:46] <cousteau> no wait
[20:46] <cousteau> IT_Sean, chirps per minute
[20:46] <piofcube> Feels like 10 degrees cricket in here today
[20:46] <IT_Sean> ooh
[20:46] <cousteau> wait, I must have messed something up
[20:46] <ukscone> http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/cricket.html that's where i confirmed the math -- i knew it but wanted to check
[20:47] <cousteau> nah, it's ok - T [??Cr] = T [??C] * 36/5 - 20
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[20:48] <cousteau> so crickets stop working at 0??Cr = 2.78??C
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[20:52] <cousteau> about temperature... I once used a temperature sensor that outputted temperature in centikelvin, I think
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[21:03] <LiENUS> lolwut
[21:07] <IT_Sean> o.O
[21:08] <xlq> KB = Kelvin-bits, mb = millibits, gb = gram-bits.
[21:08] <IT_Sean> I want a temperature sensor that outputs values such as "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey", "cold enough to freeze piss before it hits the ground", "wear six sweaters" etc...
[21:09] <cousteau> xlq, no, KB means kelvin-barn
[21:10] <cousteau> also, no, that would be K*B... as well as mm is not meter*meter
[21:10] <xlq> No, that's Kb
[21:10] <xlq> Wikipedia says "b" is barn.
[21:10] <cousteau> oh
[21:10] <cousteau> Bel
[21:10] <xlq> Oh yeah ;)
[21:11] <xlq> Still, multiplication is implicit: VA for Watts, Nm for Newton-metres, etc.
[21:11] <cousteau> yes, my Qalculate! thingie complains a lot about that
[21:11] <cousteau> xlq, true
[21:11] <cousteau> well, don't mistake 1W with 1VA
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[21:12] <cousteau> watts measure actual power (used energy), but VA might not
[21:12] <xlq> Oh yeah.
[21:12] <cousteau> volt-amps might be like centripetal work, it doesn't do an actual work
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[21:12] <xlq> Well, really? I mean, it's still a transfer of energy. Just because it's not consumed, doesn't mean it's not power.
[21:12] <cousteau> (only on AC, though)
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[21:13] <cousteau> xlq, on AC, you can have an AC source powering a capacitor
[21:13] <cousteau> there's AC voltage and AC current, but no actual average work
[21:14] <xlq> It's still energy being moved around, right? And power is rate of energy transfer.
[21:14] <cousteau> however they invented the VA thing to call that sort of "imaginary power"
[21:14] <xlq> Hmm.
[21:15] <cousteau> it has the same dimension as watts, but it's just different
[21:16] <cousteau> as well as newtons-meter are not joules
[21:16] <xlq> Hmm.
[21:17] <xlq> Because the distances are different things.
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[21:18] <cousteau> well, dragging a heavy box for 1m making a force of 1N is actual work
[21:18] <cousteau> it's pushing a 1m lever with a force of 1N what isn't really work
[21:19] <xlq> Well the main difference is that with the 1m lever, the 1m isn't how far it's being pushed.
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[21:56] <rm> sooooo, I'm ready for an R Pi
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[21:57] <rm> figured out how to do some tricky VLAN stuff on OpenWRT
[21:57] <DaQatz> We have been so for months
[21:57] <rm> which means my R Pi won't be tasked also as a secondary router
[21:57] <MystX> What will be its primary purpose?
[21:58] <rm> desktop PC with Debian and Xfce4 mostly for browsing web and some IM;
[21:58] <MystX> Ah cool.
[21:58] <rm> except that Firefox is launched from a powerful server in the X-terminal style
[21:58] <MystX> I see
[21:59] <MystX> xfce4 will hog a log of R-Pi resources wont it?
[21:59] <MystX> lot*
[21:59] <rm> xfce4 is pretty light
[22:00] <rm> I use a Pentium III 933 with 256 MB of RAM in this role currently
[22:00] <rm> it's a big box which consumes 40 watt at idle
[22:00] <MystX> Hmm.
[22:01] <MystX> From my experience you can get lighter.
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> any reason why you chose xfce4
[22:01] <MystX> But Now with a proper DE I guess
[22:01] <MystX> not*
[22:01] <MystX> Dammit my typing is bad
[22:01] <rm> tntexplosivesltd, what else would you suggest?
[22:01] <DaQatz> LXDE is good too. And lighter then xfce4
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> for a DE or WM?
[22:01] <rm> GNOME does crazy stuff with GNOME3 and afaik is much heavier
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> openbox
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> fluxbox
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> dwm
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[22:01] <MystX> rm: LXDE is very light
[22:02] <rm> LXDE is less convenient to me in some aspects
[22:02] <MystX> Ah mkay
[22:02] <rm> besides, I use Xfce4 everywhere, that's like 8 PCs
[22:02] <rm> know some of its ins and outs already
[22:02] <rm> and 256 MB of RAM is enough for Xfce
[22:03] <rm> but from my experience not so much for Firefox
[22:03] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah ff is vaf
[22:03] <tntexplosivesltd> * bad
[22:03] <MystX> FF eats ram for breakfast
[22:04] <DaQatz> Midori ftw
[22:04] <tntexplosivesltd> nah suckless surf
[22:04] <tntexplosivesltd> it's real tiny
[22:05] <DaQatz> But how useable?
[22:05] <tntexplosivesltd> what do you mean?
[22:05] <DaQatz> What works, what doesn't?
[22:05] <tntexplosivesltd> everything
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[22:05] <tntexplosivesltd> java, flash
[22:06] <DaQatz> html5?
[22:06] <cousteau> I heard midori + gtk3 sucked a bit
[22:06] <tntexplosivesltd> not sure
[22:06] <DaQatz> Never tried it with gtk3
[22:06] <cousteau> also I tried midori years ago and it kinda sucked because it was in development, I guess it's nice now
[22:06] <tntexplosivesltd> any HTML5 pages I can try
[22:06] <IT_Sean> the emails & calls are rolling in by the metric arsetonne today
[22:06] <cousteau> DaQatz, I mean, the newer versions of midori, which use gtk3
[22:07] <DaQatz> Ah nods
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[22:10] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: is the surf package on arch just called 'surf'?
[22:11] <cornet> there is also uzbl
[22:14] <tntexplosivesltd> normally you install suckless stuff through the ABS
[22:14] <tntexplosivesltd> on arch
[22:14] <xlq> Do you mean ABS or AUR?
[22:15] <MystX> eh, too much work
[22:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ABS
[22:15] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[22:16] <tntexplosivesltd> DaQatz: it does a fair amount of HTML
[22:16] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: ir compile from source
[22:16] <tntexplosivesltd> * or
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[22:18] <tntexplosivesltd> DaQatz: * HTML5
[22:19] <tntexplosivesltd> DaQatz: 227 + 9 bonus on the HTML5 testing site
[22:21] <tntexplosivesltd> by comparison the latest firefox does 315
[22:22] <zgreg> firefox isn't actually so bad
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[22:23] <zgreg> chrome is much more of a memory hog, especially if many tabs are open
[22:23] <tntexplosivesltd> really?
[22:23] <tntexplosivesltd> have you used firefox?
[22:23] <zgreg> of course
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> I guess firefox is just bad with freeing memory
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[22:24] <zgreg> it's quite obvious, really. chrome uses an excessive number of separate processes, and each process comes with a few megabytes of overhead
[22:24] <Treybuchet> http://fsmsh.com/3674
[22:24] <Treybuchet> >mfw
[22:25] <zgreg> tntexplosivesltd: true, but that got much, much better recently
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[22:25] <zgreg> and if you restart the browser from time to time it always was a non-issue
[22:25] <tntexplosivesltd> but you shouldn't need to do that
[22:26] <zgreg> right, and now you don't need to
[22:26] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[22:26] <tntexplosivesltd> haven't noticed
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[22:30] <tntexplosivesltd> Treybuchet: 404
[22:30] <tntexplosivesltd> or is that intended?
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