#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-14

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess you're typing out the rest of the digits.
[0:01] <xlq> No, I ate that bit.
[0:01] <xlq> unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep.
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> that would result in a lot of errors
[0:02] <Ian3> 3 is the value of Pi on a ZX80, as it could only do integer math
[0:02] <sightlight> http://code.google.com/p/vdrift-ogre/
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[0:03] <traeak> 22/7 :-p
[0:03] <xlq> I prefer 3.
[0:03] <traeak> lan3 that's the better way to define pi with only integers
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[0:05] <theTroy> Hmm, Iv seen a lot of people mention on the forums that if you attach screen + everything else to raspi, then might as well buy a tablet. I was wondering to what extent, and how, can one utilise an android phone to control external hardware? Is it possible to connect a usb device, with the phone operating as a host, rather than slave (when it is attached to a pc) ?
[0:05] <theTroy> or is the only way to do it is to go through wireless control?
[0:06] <theTroy> given that you can buy an android phone with 512 RAM and 600 Mhz for ~50??, which also includes all of the accelerometers/gps/camera/etc hardware
[0:06] <traeak> theTroy: you may have something there. that $100 MIPS tablet has a good amount of horsepower
[0:06] <traeak> theTroy: the phone would be missing the connectivity but get your point
[0:07] <theTroy> yeah, the question is how would one go about hacking a phone to control external circuitry
[0:07] <wwalker> theTroy: that is great if you can reprogram it and load applications and interface to external apps. The question is what you want to do with the computer.
[0:07] <wwalker> I want to do robotics and home automation
[0:07] <theTroy> pretty much exactly that
[0:08] <theTroy> but my project requires all of the other features, i.e. gps + accelerometers + compass
[0:08] <Ian3> I think if the Foundation do nothing than lead to the re-introduction of proper programming lessons back into school, either directly or indirectly, then they will have succeeded.
[0:08] <wwalker> If your phone will accept a USB based serial port, you can use an arduino based system as a realtively "dumb" hardware interface that is serially controlled.
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[0:09] <traeak> Ian3: that seems to be their goal
[0:09] <traeak> how much are arduinos now ?
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> android has adb, so you can communicate with the phone through USB.... there's that.
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[0:10] <theTroy> wwalker: hmm, do you know if it is possible to connect devices to a usb on android phones?
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[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and if the phone has USB OTG, then there's really no problem at all.
[0:10] <theTroy> yeah, but the question is opposite, can phone talk to other hardware
[0:11] <victhor> depends on the phone...
[0:11] <theTroy> I wonder why does gertboard use GPIO pins then
[0:11] <wwalker> theTroy: No, I don't know. I also want to design around something that will be available 6 months to 2 years later. that generally doesn't apply to affordable tablet/phones
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[0:11] <DaQatz> !weather_set ra
[0:11] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using rankine.
[0:11] <DaQatz> !w
[0:11] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat Jan 14 03:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 59%, Later 44??F - 20??F. Condition: Chance of Ice.
[0:11] <PiBot> Sat: High 481??Ra Low 455??Ra :Condition Mostly Sunny
[0:11] <PiBot> Sun: High 473??Ra Low 461??Ra :Condition Clear
[0:11] <PiBot> Mon: High 488??Ra Low 479??Ra :Condition Clear
[0:12] <theTroy> victhor: the phone I was looking at was samsung Galaxy europa, which is sold on 3 mobile at 50?? a pop
[0:12] <WASDx> Did you guys see this already? Pictures from one of the beta board winners, http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2012/01/13/raspberry-pi-8-first-photoshoot/
[0:12] <theTroy> it has cyanogen mod, so it should be possible to play with kernel/software
[0:12] <victhor> I don't know if it supports OTG or not
[0:12] <wwalker> gertboard is $30 (I hope) and expects a raspberry pi. an arduino with similar stuff would be about $70, plus $10 for the USB to serial, plus $100 for a phone/tablet. $180 versus $60.
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[0:14] <theTroy> wwalker: add in gps + accelerometers + camera + battery charger/actual battery
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/host.html
[0:14] <theTroy> and you will easily go over the budget
[0:14] <Ian3> Very generous of someone to bid on a Beta board and then donate it to a museum
[0:15] <theTroy> ShiftPlusOne: interesting, thanks
[0:15] <xlq> Ha ha! He got number eight! He could've got number one! What a loser!
[0:15] <xlq> ( ;) )
[0:15] <wwalker> theTroy: but I don't need the gps, camera, or accelerometers. battery is nice, charger is $3.
[0:15] <theTroy> wwalker: well, your project doesnt need it, but, afterall, the question was asked by me, regarding my own project :)
[0:15] <wwalker> if I needed gps, camera, or accelerometers the europa is a steal :)
[0:15] <xlq> I just find it funny how the differently numbered boards got vastly different bids.
[0:15] <Ian3> Wouldn't number 3 be better, as it's the closest integer to pi?
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[0:17] <ReggieUK> did someone say $10 for usb to serial?
[0:17] <wwalker> oh, and you have to learn arduino programming, and get an arduino set up. and you can brick most microcontrollers easily. (and phones)
[0:17] <ReggieUK> where are you buying it from? australia?
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[0:17] <wwalker> ReggieUK: off the top of my head, yes
[0:17] <xlq> Bricking microcontrollers? How? O_o
[0:18] <ReggieUK> set the wrong efuses on it xlq
[0:18] <xlq> Oh dear :-\
[0:18] <ReggieUK> it's not necessarily a total brick but you may have to spend more money on hardware to put it right
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> not much to learn with arduino.... pretty easy to just jump in
[0:18] <ReggieUK> you can still brick an arduino
[0:18] <theTroy> Are there any options besides arduino for usb -> power output conversion?
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[0:19] <ReggieUK> what is usb -> power conversion?
[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean by ..... what he said
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[0:20] <theTroy> hmm, sorry, I meant a usb controller, i.e. a board that would allow one to control electrical motors/etc
[0:20] <wwalker> agreed. I've got an arduino setup, mindstorms, one of the TI ultra low power things... I'd trade them all for a gertboard and a raspberry pi because I could have completely running system in an hour
[0:20] <ReggieUK> there are loads of different options you could go for
[0:20] <ReggieUK> pic units
[0:20] <wwalker> ReggieUK: monoprice.com
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> arduino doesn't really have a usb controller though, does it?
[0:20] <dmsuse> http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2012/01/13/raspberry-pi-8-first-photoshoot/
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[0:21] <wwalker> with the raspberry pi, I don't need to write in C, and don't need to spend hours saving 1 KB of RAM
[0:21] <wwalker> ShiftPlusOne: not really
[0:21] <theTroy> wwalker: http://www.pc-control.co.uk/osc/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=29&osCsid=k8qc452rkg58nijfkdbgfh7jp0
[0:21] <Ian3> Is Python worth learning?
[0:21] <theTroy> do you really need arduino for these things?
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> http://hackaday.com/category/android-hacks/
[0:21] <xlq> You can program AVRs in assembly, C, Ada, ATS, ...
[0:21] <xlq> I agree with the saving RAM thing though :)
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Ian3, no.... it has merit as a pathway to learning other, more useful, things..
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> but that's my opinion
[0:22] <ReggieUK> so which language are you going to program in on the pi?
[0:22] <wwalker> theTroy: that's nice.
[0:22] <xlq> Ian3: I don't think Python will change the way you think about programming.
[0:22] <wwalker> I'd like something like that with power buffering
[0:22] <ReggieUK> and, wwalker, ebay do cheap as hell usb to serial devices
[0:22] <xlq> Then again, it depends on what you already know.
[0:22] <barr5790> Python is very useful... but it is more for scripting than other things... everything else is a bonus
[0:23] <ReggieUK> arduino is C based but it's programming with pre-written libs, if you can't RTFM then you shouldn't really use a microcontroller
[0:23] <Ian3> I mainly write code in VB .NET (for PC software) and C++ (for firmware) atm
[0:23] <wwalker> xlq: I'm lazy these days, perl, python, ruby, lua. rapid app dev. can't run any of those on a PIC or atmega
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> vb.net... oh dear.
[0:23] <xlq> wwalker: No. No you can't.
[0:24] <EiNSTeiN_> python is a very elegant language, it's totally worth learning, and with the correct right bindings there's nothing you can't do faster in python that you could in another language
[0:24] <EiNSTeiN_> s/correct right/right/
[0:24] <Ian3> Yes. I know.... :P
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[0:24] <xlq> Python's not *that* elegant.
[0:24] <wwalker> I wrote games in 6502 assembler, I wrote EDA apps in C. I want to apply my domain knowledge more than my programming skill now.
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, that's what all supporters of their particular language say. Oh $X is just as good as $Y, if you know how to use it. Yet all the benchmarks tell a different story.
[0:25] <caver> xlq: are you saying you can't write good programs in python?
[0:26] <wwalker> so the thought of robotics or home automation on rasberry pi where I have (WOW 256 MB) enough ram is uplifting
[0:26] <xlq> caver: Where did I say anything of the sort?
[0:26] <barr5790> CPython is also pretty slow.. For scripting is not noticeable but if you start writing programs where speed it critical its an issue
[0:26] <victhor> ShiftPlusOne, this is not valid for Java
[0:26] <Ian3> VB .NET was choosen by my company on the assumption it was similar to VB6. That's what happens when they won't pay for any training courses.
[0:26] <victhor> Java is "as good as C" on the benchmarks, but not in real usage lol
[0:26] <wwalker> python is pretty sweet, but an elegant language that supprted oop would have array_instance.length, not length(array_instance).
[0:26] <caver> "Python's not *that* elegant." I'm curious whats so terrible about it
[0:27] <wwalker> so, function, powerful, yes. elegant...
[0:27] <dmsuse> vb is a waste of a persons life
[0:27] <xlq> I didn't say it's terrible. Just that it's not elegant.
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> victhor, doesn't stop java developers from saying it though.
[0:27] <EiNSTeiN_> ShiftPlusOne, read the python tutorial and judge for yourself, I write many languages and python is a good choice
[0:27] <xlq> Python has redundancies (two types of class, for example), inconsistencies (methods vs. functions), etc.
[0:27] <wwalker> caver: you have to tell super() what class it is in! that's nuts.
[0:27] <xlq> Not what I'd call elegant, but then again, doesn't make it necessarily a bad language.
[0:28] <caver> write in what works for you IMHO
[0:28] <barr5790> what language meets your definition of elegant?
[0:28] <wwalker> caver: yes!
[0:28] <xlq> ML.
[0:29] <wwalker> I write in ruby, perl, python, lua in that order when I get to choose. In reality, my employer and clients choose, so it is ruby, python, perl, php, C, C++
[0:29] <caver> ah well I like it, and the systems we write in it are efficent enough
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, I understand, I am not saying that it's not a quick and easy language. I am talking about things like memory usage and efficiency. Like others have said it's great for scripting (portage is a good example), but realy, full featured applications?
[0:29] <xlq> Lua, in a way, because it's small, not redundant, consistent and provides a small number of features that can be used in a large number of ways.
[0:29] <Ian3> I can still remember the days of writing Assembly Language programs to run under MS-DOS (Yes, I am that old)
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, nice.
[0:30] <caver> fully featured yup defo
[0:30] <caver> though mainly web stuff
[0:30] <xlq> Ian3: Yay, pseudo-segmentation.
[0:30] <EiNSTeiN_> when you learn enough languages, there's a point where you just want to write code and the rest becomes irrelevant, and I have good things to say about most languages (except java)
[0:30] <EiNSTeiN_> it really depends on what you want to achieve
[0:30] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, agreed
[0:30] <EiNSTeiN_> the programming language comes from the context
[0:31] <xlq> I think a metric of general purpose programming language good-ness is how few cases it has in which it makes you groan and think, "the language can't do this" or "it's hard in this language".
[0:32] <caver> you know the Pi in Raspberry Pi is for python?
[0:32] <xlq> Yeah.
[0:32] <EiNSTeiN_> caver, i like how you think :p
[0:32] <caver> though does anyone know if they are targeting python 2.x or 3.x
[0:32] <caver> have to confess most of my coding in it, is 2.x
[0:32] <wwalker> caver: alright, you talked me out of raspberry pi. I though I could run ruby on it....
[0:33] <wwalker> (that with space significance drives me nuts (looks GREAT, but drives me nuts))
[0:33] <caver> you can run anything linux can
[0:33] <caver> which is most languages!
[0:33] <caver> thats the joy of freedom
[0:33] <EiNSTeiN_> the nice thing about linux is that you'll even be able to run C# on it if you're that crazy
[0:33] <xlq> I'm OK with significant whitespace.
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[0:34] <xlq> caver: Anything?
[0:34] <xlq> Have fun running KVM :P
[0:34] <JackPi> Evening people.
[0:34] <xlq> Oh, languages. nvm.
[0:34] <caver> just curious why people give it a hard time on this channel, when it's part of the thing's name ... :)
[0:34] <caver> heh change your tab size down to 2 in your editor
[0:35] <caver> KVM as in the virtual machine or something else?
[0:35] <xlq> Yeah, the virtual machine.
[0:35] <Ian3> Is C# worth learning? I'm told that knowing VB and C++ that it should be easy for me to pick up.
[0:35] <caver> mono for .net if your feeling sadistic!
[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Ian3, 'worth it' for what?
[0:36] <dmsuse> all others any newb can learn, c is a real language :P
[0:36] <caver> heheh use a PC if you want to do hard core emulation
[0:36] <caver> c# ... well there are lots of jobs who want it
[0:36] <Ian3> Does C# have any significant advantages?
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[0:36] <xlq> Advantages over what?
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> it's fast easy, it works and companies like it.
[0:37] <caver> c++ if you can do it, ... yes but less popular than it used to be
[0:37] <dmsuse> plus you can earn 10 billion from coding iphone apps :P
[0:37] <wwalker> EiNSTeiN_: I'm not THAT crazy!
[0:37] <barr5790> Id would only learn a language if I was interested in it or thought it would be useful. c# personally is not worth learning :) then again I dont often stray from C
[0:37] <Ian3> I've used C++ for years for the c0ompany firmware development
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[0:39] <wwalker> I just like languages that do memory managment for me. I once wrote a 800 line perl gateway between a ticketing system and a credit card processor in 10 hours. Deployed it, debugged in an hour, it ran for over a year before it stopped...
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[0:40] <wwalker> ...because the disk was full, we never took logging out of debug level...
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[0:40] <wwalker> I can't say that about anything I wrote in C or C++ without weeks of testing and debugging.
[0:40] <cornet> wwalker: all depends on what you're doing
[0:40] <wwalker> yup, wouldn't write a fuse FS in perl :)
[0:40] <cornet> all devs should learn C IMO (or similar low level language)
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyway... I am going to stop bashing java and pretending I know anything about programming and get back to coding my Android game.
[0:41] <cornet> stops you from doing stupid things w.r.t to memory
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[0:41] <pygo> wwalker: you mean it broke/human stopped it after a year or it took a year to do what it was supposed to do?
[0:41] <xlq> cornet: And then never use it again ;)
[0:41] <pygo> and yes, c and pearl are quite different
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[0:42] <xlq> *Perl
[0:42] <cousteau> I've just won ??1000000.00!
[0:42] <xlq> Pearls are from oysters :)
[0:42] <pygo> yeah. sorry
[0:42] <cousteau> I can buy 1000 RPi beta!
[0:42] <pygo> orly cousteau
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[0:42] <cornet> xlq: i don't write much in C these days, occasionally have to debug work c code
[0:42] <dmsuse> android game? lol pointless google is getting sued and will probably do what they should have done from the start, and use C
[0:42] <cousteau> pygo, yarly, just received a mail notification
[0:42] <cornet> mostly ruby these days
[0:42] <pygo> nice
[0:42] <xlq> cousteau: So are you going to wire-transfer that ??1,000 to claim it? ;)
[0:42] <pygo> you should buy us all pis after launch :)
[0:43] <xlq> C? Happy crashing.
[0:43] <cousteau> ok... so, canadian mailer, british currency, and it's written in spanish...
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[0:43] <cousteau> and with some typos
[0:43] <cousteau> Sounds legit!
[0:43] <wwalker> pygo: :-) it worked flawlessly for a year without a reboot. The client never payed us, until the disk filled up (after a year), so it was still in debug mode.
[0:44] <pygo> lol
[0:44] <pygo> not being paid for a year... that's gotta suck
[0:44] <xlq> paid*
[0:44] <xlq> payed = payed out the rope
[0:44] <traeak> not sure if 'c' is the best choice...having some sort of jail for runing an app is sort of nice
[0:44] <cousteau> (they don't say which kind of ?? are, maybe they're zimbabwean pounds
[0:44] <wwalker> it handled about 2 to 5 Million transactions before it died with a failed write to the log.
[0:45] <xlq> Or maybe it's just archaic.
[0:45] <pygo> the website says dollars... assuming you're talking raspi's
[0:45] <cousteau> ok, what's the programming language convo about?
[0:45] <xlq> Programming languages.
[0:45] <pygo> wwalker: likes pearl better than C
[0:45] <cousteau> whatever it is I vote for Python, and if you want C maybe wuth Cython...
[0:45] <wwalker> pygo: yes, there was about 100 hours of research into the two applications to find out how to talk to them (function was worse than undocumented, it was documented wrong)
[0:46] <cousteau> "pearl"...
[0:46] <pygo> ah
[0:46] <pygo> sorry
[0:46] <pygo> I typo'd again
[0:46] <pygo> my finger is "a" happy
[0:46] <wwalker> cousteau: now that you are rich, would you buy me 5 model B productions?
[0:46] <cousteau> bio-autocorrection?
[0:46] <xlq> To be honest, the backronym "practical extraction and report language" fits the acronym "PEARL" too :)
[0:46] <pygo> I'd like one model B production and a bunch of model A
[0:46] <cousteau> xlq, heh, true
[0:47] <pygo> hah. so trye
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[0:48] <traeak> woah
[0:49] <xlq> I accidentally the whole network. Is this bad?
[0:49] <DaQatz> Netwplit hoooo
[0:49] <DaQatz> Netsplit*
[0:49] <pygo> damnit xlqs
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[0:49] <traeak> boot the rest ?
[0:50] <pygo> I hear your name like "Riggs" in leathal weapon
[0:50] <pygo> I know it's an L not an I though. but still
[0:50] <cousteau> I hate how my IRC client handles splits... is there any client that just replaces the huge list with a foldable list or something?
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[0:50] <pygo> "xlq I'm too old for this shit"
[0:50] <pygo> irssi only did it in two lines with 51 column width
[0:51] <xlq> cousteau: Which client?
[0:51] <xlq> pygo: Presumably I have to know about a film to understand that.
[0:51] <pygo> xlq: yes. Leathal Weapon. 1, 2, 3 and 4
[0:51] <cousteau> tempted to go there, but I don't like the TUI much
[0:51] <cousteau> xlq, xchat
[0:52] <xlq> Ah, same here.
[0:52] <cornet> irssi + screen/tmux :)
[0:52] <pygo> ^
[0:52] <pygo> < irssi + screen
[0:52] * cornet still getting used to tmux
[0:52] <pygo> <3 *
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[0:52] <pygo> dunno what tmux is
[0:52] <pygo> heard the name before I think. maybe at work
[0:53] <cornet> pygo: like screen, only better (apparently)
[0:53] <cornet> pygo: does proper window splitting which is cool
[0:53] <pygo> hmmm
[0:53] <cornet> also bitlbeed and twirssi :)
[0:53] <xlq> What's improper about GNU screen's splitting?
[0:53] <pygo> might poke at it
[0:53] <cornet> xlq: can't do vertical splits for a start
[0:53] <xlq> Ah, fair dos.
[0:53] <pygo> I love my vertical splits!
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[0:53] <xlq> That's what she said.
[0:53] <pygo> have two terminal windows open as a workaround
[0:53] <xlq> Sorry.
[0:53] <pygo> hah
[0:53] <dmsuse> anyone found any cheap small displays for the pi yet?
[0:54] <cornet> there is a banana joke in there somewhere
[0:54] <cornet> dmsuse: how small you after ?
[0:54] <dmsuse> 9"
[0:54] <traeak> why would you split screens with screen when you have the ability to swap between them with hit keys ?
[0:54] <xlq> Perhaps you want to see two at once.
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[0:55] <pygo> ^
[0:55] <traeak> i guess another xterm never killt anyone :-p
[0:55] <cornet> traeak: you've clearly missed the point of tmux/screen
[0:55] <cornet> :)
[0:55] <pygo> lol
[0:55] <traeak> cornet: i run screen all the time ... its safest for remote processing
[0:55] <dmsuse> screen rawkz, couldn't live without it
[0:55] <xlq> <traeak> i guess another xterm never killt anyone :-p ... you haven't seen what I run in my xterms :)
[0:55] <traeak> really sucks to have the internet hiccup and kill a 40 hour processing run
[0:56] <cornet> yer
[0:56] <traeak> i have 4 desktops full of xterms
[0:56] <pygo> screen cuold have saved you
[0:56] <traeak> so what's the problem ?
[0:56] <caver> screen is great for that
[0:56] <traeak> pygo: it does save me, i run that
[0:56] <traeak> screen screws too much with the terminal emulation, i hate that
[0:56] <cornet> with tmux i can, from a single ssh session, without opening any more windows, split the screen and run a command
[0:57] <cornet> while keeping my irssi window in view
[0:57] <xlq> traeak: Yeah, it always causes problems with mice.
[0:57] <traeak> i think right now i'm running 12 ssh sessions
[0:57] <traeak> urxvtc or whatever if you want to be miserly
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[0:57] <traeak> of course if urxvtc crashes it takes down all your terms
[0:57] <traeak> hehe
[0:57] <cousteau> isn't rpi opengles and hdmi capable? go get a 3D chat running there!
[0:57] <cornet> oh useful
[0:58] <caver> freenx when it works can work well for a remote desktop thing too
[0:58] <dmsuse> how do you split the screen?
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[0:58] <cornet> dmsuse: in tmux ?
[0:58] <dmsuse> yes
[0:58] <cornet> dmsuse: by default ctrl-a %
[0:58] <dmsuse> thanks
[0:58] <traeak> heh
[0:58] <cornet> sorry ctrl-b %
[0:59] <cornet> i remap to a
[0:59] <traeak> Meta_L + m
[0:59] <cornet> (as do most people)
[0:59] <xlq> Has GNU got a patent on using C-a as a command prefix?
[0:59] <traeak> sorry, just my key remap for jumping around xterms
[0:59] <dmsuse> how do i make a new window :P
[0:59] <cornet> same as screen
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[0:59] <cornet> but s/b/a/
[1:00] <cornet> bah
[1:00] <cornet> s/a/b/ (i.e. ctrl-b c)
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[1:00] <dmsuse> so how do i do splitscreen?
[1:01] <cornet> dmsuse: "
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[1:01] <cornet> if you want horiz split
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[1:01] <cornet> dmsuse: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tmux#Key_bindings
[1:01] <traeak> so i could make one gigantic xterm, use tmux to virtually split it into multiple terms
[1:01] <traeak> hehe
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[1:02] <wwalker> traeak: I do that
[1:02] <traeak> need to hard fix those to 80 column widths
[1:02] <dmsuse> cornet: thanks, i might use this alot now i know of it :P
[1:02] <wwalker> no, let them randomly change.most apps handle sigwinch fine nowadays...
[1:02] <traeak> any way to also toss in focus follows mouse in that as well ?
[1:02] <cornet> traeak: tbh i don't use the splitting much, run xmonad on my workstation
[1:02] <wwalker> this is irssi in a tmux nested in a tmux
[1:03] * wwalker could never get quite what I wanted out of xmonad. i3 (?) is my next wm eval.
[1:03] <cornet> traeak: can't do mouse follow, but it can do mouse click
[1:03] <dmsuse> does tmux save session like screen does?
[1:03] <cornet> yer
[1:03] <traeak> mouse click is eevil
[1:03] <wwalker> dmsuse: mush better session saving and control than screen
[1:03] <dmsuse> cool
[1:03] <cornet> traeak: yer but terms can't track mouse position i think
[1:04] <wwalker> I've used screen since before it had color. Just switched to tmux
[1:04] <dmsuse> umm
[1:04] <dmsuse> i don't understand how to get " ?
[1:04] <cornet> ctrl-b "
[1:05] <cornet> shift+2 on UK keyboard ;)
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[1:06] <dmsuse> cool, it's a shame i can't just click to change terminal focus
[1:06] <cousteau> shift and ' on a US one
[1:06] <traeak> always nice to review code written a month ago
[1:06] <cousteau> (and I'm using a european keyboard, but I still know where it is on a US keyboard! i'm so leet!)
[1:06] <traeak> what the hell was i thinking?
[1:06] <dmsuse> then again, that wouldn't make much sense in a terminal...
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[1:08] <dmsuse> oh this is really cool :D
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[1:09] <xlq> traeak: Been there, done that :)
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[1:11] <cornet> aghhhh
[1:11] * cornet shouts at salesforce dev foo
[1:13] <dmsuse> i can't figure out how to get out of tmux but keep it runnning
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[1:15] <wwalker> dmsuse: just nuke the window, or C-b d
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[1:15] <wwalker> the reattach with "tmux attach"
[1:16] <dmsuse> thanks
[1:16] <sightlight> xenotic source code is availible!
[1:16] <wwalker> anyone know where they discuss raspberry pi?
[1:16] <wwalker> :-)
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[1:16] <caver> heheh
[1:16] <sightlight> high end game that can be use on the pi
[1:17] <sightlight> xonotic*
[1:18] <sightlight> i thought the was a quake engine that look like crysis but cant find it
[1:19] <sightlight> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fn4g.com%2Fnews%2F584225%2Fquake-3-goes-crysis-10-year-old-engine-almost-at-crysis-level&ei=38kQT6mTJMXWiALx3pjhDQ&usg=AFQjCNEhpw_fVProGPGgVqWLGXJ89VSvUw&sig2=JpeN_OLDK6Bm1Q8JO3r8lA
[1:19] <sightlight> there it is
[1:19] <sightlight> but can find it
[1:19] <sightlight> look at the video
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> holy google link
[1:19] <cousteau> google links suck
[1:19] <cornet> yup
[1:19] <cousteau> well, they don't if you haven't clicked them yet
[1:20] <cousteau> and if you have clicked them yet, just copy the url you got!
[1:24] <traeak> there are several fps's that forked from ioquake
[1:24] <traeak> alien arena
[1:25] <traeak> http://www.desura.com/games/corebreach
[1:25] <traeak> this looks cool, cell shaded racer
[1:25] <cousteau> urban terror...
[1:25] <traeak> except it's binary only (yuk)
[1:25] <traeak> urban terror directly sits on ioquake though
[1:25] <cousteau> well, urt has its own engine I think, but is also compatible with quake's
[1:25] <traeak> alien arena i think forked it
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[1:26] <caver> I like the look of that
[1:26] <traeak> my mistake, corebreach is binary only pay game
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[1:27] <cousteau> hey, that game looks familiar... I think I saw it on the linux game tome
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[1:28] <traeak> one thing i didn't like abot ut2k4 was that it was harder to see stuff too much noise in game from stuff everywhere
[1:28] <traeak> heh
[1:28] <cousteau> ...yeah, http://happypenguin.org/show?CoreBreach
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[1:29] <traeak> convince these guys to do an rpi port
[1:30] <ReggieUK> http://happypenguin.org/show?Kobo%20Deluxe
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[1:30] <ReggieUK> that doesn't need porting
[1:30] <ReggieUK> fantastic game
[1:30] <abacus1983> hello
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[1:31] <caver> hi abacus1983
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[1:31] <abacus1983> hi caver
[1:31] <caver> wb dmsuse
[1:32] <dmsuse> thanks
[1:32] <abacus1983> is there any info on how to go about installing the distros to sd
[1:32] <traeak> very carefully
[1:33] <traeak> i'm guessing the initial ones will just have to be slapped directly onto the flash card
[1:33] <abacus1983> caver: i am new to irc is there anything i should know
[1:33] <traeak> not sure if there's like a unetbootbin type dealy or whatever
[1:34] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: have you looked on the forum?
[1:34] <abacus1983> i cant wait for one its like xmas
[1:34] <tntexplosivesltd> there is a gui tool in development iirc
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[1:34] <ReggieUK> I'm guessing there will be a bin file on a small partition to kickstart the distro and then it's a case of do what you like as long as you've got drivers
[1:34] <caver> I'd imagine it'll be a case of dd'ing a image from a file to the sd card initally
[1:34] <tntexplosivesltd> also instructions on setting up the SD card for arch
[1:34] <abacus1983> tntexplosivesltd: not yet got app on phone just
[1:34] <caver> but don't know for sure
[1:35] <abacus1983> i want one now
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[1:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[1:36] <tntexplosivesltd> we all want one
[1:36] <asdfasd> hi all
[1:36] <abacus1983> guess i best start learning python
[1:37] <caver> what os are you using at the moment?
[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: why python?
[1:37] <asdfasd> Is it possible download the OS of Rasp?
[1:37] <abacus1983> i have win 7 and ubuntu
[1:37] <abacus1983> i read that will be the main language to run on ther
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> asdfasd: there isn't one
[1:38] <traeak> need a task to drive writing python stuff
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: anything would
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> like C/C++
[1:38] <abacus1983> ah k cool
[1:39] <tntexplosivesltd> asdfasd: red hat might be doing an official one, but eww red hat
[1:39] <abacus1983> is this xmbc port for real
[1:39] <caver> yes I believe so
[1:39] <asdfasd> tntexplosivesltd: thank you. Where can I find the firmware for GPU?
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> there isn't any
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> it's a binary blob
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> broadcom proprietary
[1:40] <mdavey> abacus1983: eg for debian or meego mer, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Raspberry_Pi
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> does anyone look on the forums any more?
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> these Qs have been answered many times
[1:40] <abacus1983> i will start to
[1:41] <asdfasd> i'm sorry tntexplosivesltd
[1:42] <mdavey> abacus1983: for arclinux: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/distributions/archlinuxarm-on-raspberry-pi
[1:42] <abacus1983> mdavey: cheers
[1:43] <asdfasd> useful
[1:43] <asdfasd> this link
[1:43] <dmsuse> win 7
[1:43] <abacus1983> i deffo want the ethernet that us a must
[1:44] <abacus1983> anyone looking into cases on these yet
[1:44] <tntexplosivesltd> Look on the forum
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> 3 or 4 threads about that
[1:45] <abacus1983> tntexplosivesltd: cheers i am going to the forums now thanks
[1:45] <abacus1983> time for
[1:45] <abacus1983> time
[1:45] <mdavey> abacus1983: yes, several. Official cases will be available end of February/start of March. Several 3rd parties are working on cases.
[1:45] <abacus1983> time
[1:45] <abacus1983> for
[1:45] <abacus1983> some research
[1:46] <mdavey> also check out the wiki - lots of info on there.
[1:46] <cousteau> uh, the corebreach demo is 137 MB...
[1:46] <cousteau> must be a good demo
[1:46] * cousteau tries
[1:47] <caver> :)
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[1:47] <caver> not sure my little eee pc here is anything like fast enough sadly
[1:48] <dmsuse> i'll give you ??50 for it :)
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[1:49] <abacus1983> i think i am installing FreeNAS tomorrow
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[1:50] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[1:50] <tntexplosivesltd> \o/ I am innocent
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[1:51] <abacus1983> irc is coolio
[1:52] <tntexplosivesltd> what client are you using
[1:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[1:52] <abacus1983> lime
[1:52] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
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[1:52] <tntexplosivesltd> mac
[1:52] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[1:52] <PiBot> limes are good with gin, and some tonic water too.
[1:53] <dmsuse> irssi is the best :D
[1:53] <BarryK> how about a powered usb hub that is also a case, that'd do the job
[1:53] <abacus1983> i am on my iPhone can u recomend any better
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[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> BarryK: probably
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> thinking of a HDD enclosure atm
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[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> 3.5" with a 2.5" drive in it
[1:54] <sightlight> hi
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> dmsuse: yes it is
[1:54] <sightlight> hi back
[1:55] <sightlight> downloading xenotic to see how it looks
[1:55] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: what do you use on tyour computer
[1:55] <sightlight> http://www.xonotic.org/media/image-gallery/
[1:55] <BarryK> hdd is prolly abit overkill, a decent sized flash drive or SD card should be more than enough for most applications
[1:55] <abacus1983> havent gone on my comp with it uet
[1:56] <caver> dmsuse: lol
[1:56] <abacus1983> yet
[1:56] <sightlight> im on an acer aspire one
[2:00] <sightlight> xonotic graphics look like crysis'es
[2:00] <sightlight> If someone could compile xonotic source code for ARM
[2:01] <sightlight> ..
[2:01] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: that makes no sense
[2:01] <Construct> xonotic looks good, but to suggest it's on par with crysis is ludicrous
[2:01] <tntexplosivesltd> BarryK: not overkill for a DC++ client
[2:01] <abacus1983> this is the first time
[2:01] <abacus1983> i have tried irc
[2:01] <tntexplosivesltd> no, what OS are you running on your computer
[2:02] <Construct> but it looks great. good use of color and efficient use of polygons
[2:02] <sightlight> I see the screenshots and the stairs look nice
[2:02] <sightlight> It has critek resemblence
[2:03] <tntexplosivesltd> you know a game is good when it has good stairs
[2:03] <Construct> sightlight: crytek is great for outdoor environments
[2:03] <tntexplosivesltd> "I like that boulder. That is a nice boulder"
[2:03] <Construct> those screenshots are all blocky space stuff
[2:03] <abacus1983> win 7 on one and ubuntu on other
[2:04] <sightlight> I use ubuntu
[2:04] <sightlight> no win32 based OS'es........
[2:04] <tntexplosivesltd> abacus1983: so for win 7 get ychat and for ubuntu get irssi (or ychat if you want)
[2:04] <BarryK> looks alot closer to unreal tournament / Quake III than cryengine
[2:04] <abacus1983> nice one will try them tomorrow thanx
[2:04] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.silverex.org/news/
[2:05] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[2:05] <abacus1983> nice one got that link cheers
[2:06] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone says to use mIRC but really it is a horrible client
[2:06] <abacus1983> ill go with what u said being as im new to it all
[2:06] <abacus1983> right nights peeps
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[2:07] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
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[2:14] <IT_Sean> !!!!
[2:14] <IT_Sean> forum down!!!!!????
[2:14] <tntexplosivesltd> god I hate wordpress sites
[2:15] <tntexplosivesltd> no, just wordpress being gay
[2:15] <tntexplosivesltd> too much load
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[2:15] <mdavey> yea, looks like it. And I was so enjoying reading the 'Offer a "made in UK/EU/West" batch?' thread :(
[2:16] * IT_Sean begins to suffer withdrawl simptoms
[2:16] <IT_Sean> 's back up! :D
[2:16] <tntexplosivesltd> man they need a better website structure
[2:17] <sightlight> its going to colapse when released.
[2:18] <dmsuse> nobody in the uk does any real work
[2:18] <sightlight> it might even "reboot"...........
[2:18] * mdavey thinks ukscone had the right idea
[2:18] <dmsuse> it's pointless them being made here
[2:19] <mdavey> tntexplosivesltd: there is a move in the works - they've been donated a host.
[2:20] <tntexplosivesltd> mdavey: I know that, I have a problem with the wordpress structure
[2:20] <tntexplosivesltd> the forum layer on top is terrible
[2:20] <mdavey> tntexplosivesltd: its better than it was. But I'm sure they would welcome a custom-designed skin
[2:21] <tntexplosivesltd> the old forum was far far better
[2:21] <mdavey> you can't please all the people all the time. There were a great many complaints about the old forum.
[2:22] <mdavey> The old forum was probably easier on the eye, but the new one works better.
[2:22] <tntexplosivesltd> but it's moved to a worse one
[2:22] <tntexplosivesltd> it doesn't work better
[2:22] <tntexplosivesltd> ' becomes "
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[2:22] <mdavey> well I think you'd find that there are a lot of people on the forum that would disagree with you.
[2:23] <mdavey> tntexplosivesltd: yes, that is an annoying bug.
[2:23] <tntexplosivesltd> and I think I would find a lot of people who agree
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[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> the latest post thingy on the forum doesn't show you what thread the post was in
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> the search function doesn't search thread names
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> it handles pictures horribly
[2:25] <traeak> heh
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[2:26] <sightlight> I thought Xonotic source was availible.
[2:26] <sightlight> ...
[2:26] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUX: what a nice abbrasive name you have there
[2:26] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, and the way the forum software does qouting is absolutely horrible
[2:27] <tntexplosivesltd> and it can't do common bb code
[2:27] <sightlight> who?
[2:28] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: what?
[2:29] <traeak> where ?
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[2:29] <tntexplosivesltd> saw that coming
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[2:30] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[2:30] <sightlight> open-source FPS
[2:30] <sightlight> it is open...
[2:31] <sightlight> somebody compile for arm
[2:31] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[2:31] <tntexplosivesltd> you
[2:31] <sightlight> i wanna play this game full speed at 200fps
[2:31] <sightlight> :)
[2:31] <cousteau> xonotic, sounds familiar
[2:31] <sightlight> what?
[2:32] <sightlight> there isnt any other good games for linux
[2:32] <sightlight> lie comercial one
[2:32] <sightlight> we need wine or something
[2:32] * cornet has wine
[2:32] <sightlight> the need for speed world on the raspberrypi
[2:32] <cornet> italian
[2:32] <cornet> quite nice
[2:33] <cousteau> sightlight, xonotic is GPL, the source must be available somewhere
[2:33] <sightlight> it is
[2:33] <sightlight> yea
[2:33] <sightlight> its open source
[2:33] <sightlight> I was thinking some one get it and compile for ARM
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> so just compile it on the R-Pi when you get one?
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I would rather that than get precompiled binaries
[2:35] <sightlight> oh
[2:35] <traeak> just request the source directly if you have to
[2:35] <cousteau> maybe it would be nice that rpf delivered qemu images with a preisntalled debian for ARM
[2:35] <cousteau> and qemu setup instructions
[2:36] <sightlight> I just want a really nice game that I can play on the Pi when it come out. I want to get out every drop of hardware availible
[2:36] <cousteau> so all this stuff could be tested before getting your hands on a RPi
[2:36] <traeak> compile on the rpi or cross compile?
[2:36] <traeak> hmm
[2:36] <traeak> i guess VM compile
[2:36] <cousteau> qemu-compile would do
[2:37] <sightlight> hey treak
[2:37] <sightlight> !
[2:37] <tntexplosivesltd> why would you need qemu?
[2:37] <tntexplosivesltd> What;'s it for?
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> emulating arm?
[2:38] <cousteau> yeah
[2:39] <cousteau> can't use virtualbox for this
[2:39] <cousteau> hmm, qemu wiki says something about it being useful for running programs for one architecture on another one, maybe this means you can run wine x86 on rpi using qemu?
[2:39] <cousteau> wow, qemu also emulates MicroBlaze
[2:41] <sightlight> gamemaker is being developed for linux..
[2:41] <sightlight> its going to take sometime until real game come out for it if at all.
[2:48] <sightlight> using wine inside qemu?
[2:48] <sightlight> qemu is being developed?
[2:49] <LiENUX> tntexplosivesltd, wat?
[2:51] <sightlight> run wine x86 on rpi using qemu?
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[2:56] <victhor> so, you like slideshows?
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[2:59] <cousteau> News Dec 1, 2011 QEMU version 1.0 is out.
[3:00] <cousteau> yes it's being developed
[3:00] <cousteau> and apparently it has just hit an important milestone
[3:01] <victhor> guess not "full speed emulation on ARM11"
[3:01] <cousteau> would be nice that qemu-system-arm had -M rpi-A and -M rpi-b options
[3:05] * cousteau wants a pre-installed debian for r-pi
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[3:05] <cousteau> (maybe I'm too lazy)
[3:06] <IT_Sean> cousteau: you should be able to get a pre-written deb boot card
[3:06] <IT_Sean> once the pi os released
[3:06] <IT_Sean> *is
[3:07] <cousteau> get physically, or download?
[3:09] <IT_Sean> if it's one of the officially thingered thingers you should be able to buy a preade boot card with your raspi
[3:09] <IT_Sean> There will be a selection of premade boot cards aval. for purchase
[3:09] <IT_Sean> I've said it before, i'll say it again. read. the. website. :p
[3:10] <cousteau> no, but I mean, will I also be able to just download it?
[3:10] <pygo> it'll be a torrent link
[3:10] <pygo> judging from the website
[3:11] <cousteau> ok
[3:12] <IT_Sean> What Linux distros will be supported at launch?
[3:12] <IT_Sean> Debian, Fedora and ArchLinux will be supported from the start. We hope to see support from other distros later. We will be selling SD cards with the distros preloaded. <--- from the FAQ
[3:12] <pygo> any idea what size/price these SD cards will be?
[3:13] <IT_Sean> no clue
[3:14] <pygo> k. guess I'll just have to wait then
[3:15] <IT_Sean> Of course, you DO have the option of downloading from the distro's website, and rolling your own card, as well.
[3:15] <pygo> I could probably do that. have an extra 8gb card, and a 16gb one too I think
[3:21] <cornet> i suspect there will be a ton of sd card images ready for download not long after the release
[3:21] <pygo> indeed
[3:21] <IT_Sean> quite probably
[3:22] <hamitron> will my old MMC card do? ;)
[3:22] <pygo> I wouldn't mind doing an openwrt/dd-wrt network appliance. so you can use it as a firewall/printer server/media server/etc. but that's only if I have enough time to make something pretty
[3:22] <IT_Sean> I'll probably end up buying a prerolled one, just because i don't have a spare SD card lying around to spare, so... long as i'm buying a new one anyway...
[3:22] <pygo> not if it's only 16mb :)
[3:22] <IT_Sean> hamitron: no. you need an SD card
[3:22] <pygo> well maybe
[3:22] <cornet> sd cards are cheap enough
[3:22] <pygo> aww
[3:22] <pygo> ^
[3:22] <cornet> i have a bunch for my DSLR already
[3:22] <cornet> so will just abuse those
[3:22] <pygo> me too
[3:23] <hamitron> shame
[3:23] <pygo> wonder how much benefit a class 10 will be over a class 4
[3:23] <hamitron> not found a use for my MMC since my ngage died ;/
[3:23] <pygo> I've never actuall seen an MMC card. only SD
[3:23] <cornet> pygo: about 6Mbit
[3:23] <IT_Sean> hamitron: and you are not likely to. SD is king theses days.
[3:23] <cornet> ;)
[3:23] <Construct> I'd guess class 4 vs class 10 won't make much difference
[3:24] <cornet> depends on what you're doing
[3:24] <Construct> What SD/MMC is really lacking is IOPs, not throughput
[3:24] <pygo> indeed
[3:24] <Construct> Unless you're just reading/writing one file
[3:24] <hamitron> plenty of memory to run from RAM disk
[3:24] <hamitron> :)
[3:24] <Construct> USB stick is the way to go
[3:25] <pygo> probably. just have to boot from SD
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[4:03] <_inc> speaking of SDs, would this suffice? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001CQT0X4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=AZSR40NZ6UYCN
[4:03] <_inc> seems like a good proce
[4:03] <_inc> price even
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[5:20] <sightlight> yo
[5:20] <sightlight> hi his
[5:21] <sightlight> cant update my wine installation to 1.3.37
[5:21] <sightlight> ..
[5:21] <sightlight> ./configure
[5:21] <sightlight> need flex!
[5:21] <sightlight> i have ittt
[5:21] <sightlight> RAWR!
[5:22] <sightlight> anyway
[5:22] <sightlight> wine under qemu for raspberrypi??
[5:22] <mrDragons> That would be incredibly slow
[5:23] <sightlight> but it still something. better than nothing at all
[5:23] <sightlight> i prefer slow than nothing
[5:23] <mrDragons> Do you really need a certain windows program that bad?
[5:24] <piofcube> 1.3.37 LOL
[5:24] <sightlight> its not release?
[5:24] <sightlight> check it out yourself
[5:24] <sightlight> www.winehq.com
[5:24] <piofcube> No doubt, just funny
[5:25] <sightlight> bam
[5:25] <mrDragons> ...
[5:25] <sightlight> will wine work under qemu?
[5:25] <sightlight> :)
[5:25] <mrDragons> You'll have to emulate an entire windows environment first
[5:26] <sightlight> why
[5:26] <sightlight> qemu work on linux
[5:26] <mrDragons> Which, on a 7mhz cpu with 256mb ram already running a desktop OS will be crazy slow
[5:26] <mrDragons> Because wine is an emulator for the machine
[5:26] <mrDragons> I mean qemu
[5:26] <piofcube> wine is not an emulator :P
[5:26] <mrDragons> Slipped without thinking. >_>
[5:27] <mrDragons> I mean you'll have to set up windows inside qemu
[5:27] <sightlight> it can be slow but its just worth the try
[5:27] <mrDragons> Not really
[5:27] <sightlight> is it not? that never really knowing for sure
[5:28] <piofcube> I wouldn't want to do that myself...
[5:28] <sightlight> there will be people on the forums doing it and trying it.
[5:28] <sightlight> but yea
[5:29] <sightlight> anyone know how to update one manually
[5:29] <sightlight> ?
[5:29] <piofcube> Though I wonder how win 3.11 would work that way
[5:29] <sightlight> I already have the update folder and know where is .wine
[5:30] <sightlight> i wanna update ine
[5:30] <sightlight> wine
[5:31] <piofcube> you could try with the source perhaps?
[5:31] <piofcube> source.winehq.org I think?
[5:33] <tntexplosivesltd> why do you want wine?
[5:33] <tntexplosivesltd> what do you need to run so badly?
[5:33] <mrDragons> That's what I was wondering
[5:34] <sightlight> I wanna see how gamemaker runs
[5:34] <sightlight> and gunbound
[5:34] <sightlight> and crysis
[5:34] <sightlight> 2
[5:34] <tntexplosivesltd> oh my god
[5:34] <tntexplosivesltd> can you even any computer knowledge
[5:34] <mrDragons> ...
[5:35] <tntexplosivesltd> crysis (or crysis 2 for that matter) would NEVER run
[5:35] <sightlight> not on the pi........
[5:35] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[5:35] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[5:35] <tntexplosivesltd> still, you'd need a pretty powerful comp for that in wine
[5:36] <tntexplosivesltd> I apologise then
[5:36] <sightlight> which I have, but not right now
[5:36] <sightlight> still I wanna know how to update
[5:36] <sightlight> they will take like 3 weeks to update repository
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[5:36] <mrDragons> You could try forcing it to update if you know you have the necessary packages
[5:37] <sightlight> ok
[5:37] <sightlight> let me explain
[5:37] <sightlight> :)
[5:37] <tntexplosivesltd> what distro are you using?
[5:37] <sightlight> I have wine 1.3.36 installed, now i want to update to 1.3.37
[5:37] <sightlight> and i have the update
[5:37] <sightlight> im using ubuntu
[5:38] <tntexplosivesltd> that's the problem then
[5:38] <tntexplosivesltd> is there 1.3.37 as a package?
[5:38] <sightlight> ubuntu 10.10 32bit
[5:38] <tntexplosivesltd> (there is for arch - just sayin' XD)
[5:38] <tntexplosivesltd> ah and you have 64?
[5:39] <sightlight> 32bit cpu
[5:39] <tntexplosivesltd> so why can't you get the ubuntu package for wine?
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[5:39] <sightlight> i have the update package
[5:39] <sightlight> I just need to install it
[5:39] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[5:39] <sightlight> ./configure
[5:40] <sightlight> saids i need flex
[5:40] <tntexplosivesltd> sudo apt-get install wine?
[5:41] <tntexplosivesltd> if you need flex, sudo apt-get install flex
[5:41] <piofcube> sightlight: have you tried... playonlinx... Something like that... has additional stuff for running games with wine.
[5:42] <sightlight> oh WOW that didnt work before
[5:42] <sightlight> now ill be able to configure and make and compile
[5:42] <tntexplosivesltd> what's the latest wine out for ubuntu
[5:42] <sightlight> joshua@joshua-AO751h:~$ sudo apt-get install flex [sudo] password for joshua: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libenet0debian1 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: m4 Suggested packages: bison The following NEW packages will be inst
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> please don't do that
[5:43] <sightlight> ok
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> use a pastebin
[5:43] <sightlight> ok
[5:43] <sightlight> apologize.
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> but yeah, what's the latest ubuntu package version for wine?
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> 1.2.3
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> lol it's so far behind
[5:44] <tntexplosivesltd> ubuntu ftl
[5:44] <sightlight> now its asking for "bison"
[5:44] <piofcube> ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa is the repo if you want to add that to the sources
[5:45] <sightlight> let me check sudo apt-get install bison
[5:45] <piofcube> APT line
[5:45] <sightlight> installing bison same way!
[5:46] <tntexplosivesltd> it would have got it anyway
[5:46] <tntexplosivesltd> have you ever used apt-get ?
[5:47] <sightlight> I have. It didnt work before.
[5:47] <sightlight> some how
[5:47] <sightlight> bug maybe
[5:47] <tntexplosivesltd> I doubt it
[5:47] <sightlight> I really have used it
[5:47] <sightlight> lots of
[5:47] <sightlight> times
[5:47] <tntexplosivesltd> oh my god...
[5:48] <tntexplosivesltd> how do you normally install something?
[5:48] <sightlight> ubuntu-restricted-extras ...ec
[5:48] <sightlight> t
[5:48] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
[5:49] <sightlight> now its saying something else
[5:49] <sightlight> can i paste here?
[5:49] <tntexplosivesltd> pastebin please
[5:49] <sightlight> ok
[5:51] <sightlight> http://pastebin.com/H0R52zJE
[5:52] <sightlight> there it is.
[5:52] <sightlight> :P
[5:52] <sightlight> down below
[5:52] <sightlight> X something.
[5:52] <tntexplosivesltd> do you know what X it?
[5:53] <sightlight> no
[5:53] <sightlight> lol i just need to install wine.
[5:53] <sightlight> or update it*
[5:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I.... this is why I hate ubuntu
[5:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm sorry, in the nicest way possible, I can't help you
[5:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I would, but you wouldn't learn anything
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:52 < tntexplosivesltd> do you know what X it?
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:53 < sightlight> no
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:53 < sightlight> lol i just need to install wine.
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> whoops
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> damn touchpad
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> StevenR: your best bet is google
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> maybe you'll learn something new
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[6:04] <sightlight> hi back
[6:04] <sightlight> sorry
[6:04] <sightlight> had to restart my conection
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> what was the last message you got through
[6:04] <sightlight> someone when into my router and still LAGGG signal
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[6:04] <sightlight> not i changed it from the modem to PC.
[6:04] <sightlight> no router stealing signal
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> what was the last message you got from here
[6:05] <sightlight> how?
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> StevenR: tab complete fail sorry
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> what client are you using?
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> oh never mind
[6:05] <sightlight> google chrome
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:53 < tntexplosivesltd> I.... this is why I hate ubuntu
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:54 < tntexplosivesltd> I'm sorry, in the nicest way possible, I can't help you
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> 17:54 < tntexplosivesltd> I would, but you wouldn't learn anything
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> that's what I said before you pinged
[6:06] <sightlight> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[6:06] <sightlight> yeah
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> this isn't an ubuntu help chan
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> go to google
[6:07] <sightlight> im trying to update wine guys. thats all. i will benefit from this to raspberrypi
[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> you need to know more about how ubuntu works
[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> and linux in general
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[6:08] <tntexplosivesltd> someone else wanna help?
[6:08] <tntexplosivesltd> TrueShiftBlue: ah, you're here
[6:09] <mrDragons> There's always an ubuntu channel here on freenode too
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[6:09] <MystX> Sup
[6:09] <sightlight> I think I found a solution, can I pastebin it?
[6:10] <tntexplosivesltd> go ahead
[6:10] <sightlight> you guys could help me
[6:10] <sightlight> its the last step
[6:10] <TrueShiftBlue> Ah, sorry, got distracted for a bit
[6:10] <tntexplosivesltd> ppb it then
[6:10] <tntexplosivesltd> * pb
[6:10] <Treybuchet> http://i.imgur.com/WpDvl.png
[6:11] <TrueShiftBlue> Could we continue this on #ubuntu? Right channel for the right place and all; I've just joined there now.
[6:11] <sightlight> ok
[6:11] <sightlight> this is a post of the solution
[6:11] <sightlight> http://pastebin.com/uXcrXGnS
[6:12] <TrueShiftBlue> /join #ubuntu to join the ubuntu channel
[6:12] <sightlight> the =yum stuff
[6:12] <TrueShiftBlue> Wrong build system, and can we please this continue on #ubuntu ?
[6:12] <tntexplosivesltd> TrueShiftBlue: does that work with the freenode web client
[6:13] <TrueShiftBlue> Sorry, continue this, not this continue
[6:13] <MystX> Ohai TSB
[6:14] <TrueShiftBlue> /join should work just fine in their webchat
[6:14] <TrueShiftBlue> There we go.
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[7:09] <djerome> Where do I get the GPU binary blob (for booting), and what does it use from the FAT file system?
[7:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't think you will ever be able to dl the blob
[7:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I assume it comes on the chip
[7:11] <djerome> It seems that is is on the SD card, or maybe i dun understand the boot process.
[7:11] <tntexplosivesltd> no, the binary blob is on the GPU
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> the GPU is what starts the boot process
[7:12] <djerome> oh. so it find the kernel directly from the FAT file system on the SD card?
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> yes
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> the binary blob is GPU-specific stuff (and the driver too I think)
[7:14] <djerome> so, how do i know what to name and how do i give the kernel the initrd and boot params?
[7:14] <djerome> to name the kernel file?
[7:15] <Stskeeps> the gpu blob loads from sdcard, too
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> does it?
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> this is news to me
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> Stskeeps: where does it say that?
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[7:16] <Stskeeps> i have one of the sd cards/pi's for development, boot partition contains the gpu blob, then kernel and command line file
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> okay sweet
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> how large is it?
[7:17] <djerome> Stskeeps, how do I get that stuff and a description of thecommand line file?
[7:17] <Stskeeps> just woke up, but a couple of mb
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> sweet
[7:17] <Stskeeps> djerome: if you have a pi, contact the person who got it for you
[7:17] <Stskeeps> djerome: command line file is just a text file
[7:18] <Stskeeps> i'm assuming they'll provide the gpu blob etc in a sane format from the website
[7:18] <djerome> i dun have one yet, but i'm the ttylinux maintainer and i'm looking to get it running on the pi
[7:19] <Stskeeps> :nod:
[7:19] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, looks promising
[7:19] <djerome> i just got my armv6z cross-gcc tool chain built....
[7:20] <Stskeeps> the booting is that the GPU starts up, loads it's sw from SD card, then that initializes the ARM core with the linux kernel from SD and boots it
[7:20] <Stskeeps> so it's fairly non-evil
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[7:21] <djerome> the kernel and command line file must have a specific name so the GPU firmware can find it
[7:21] <Stskeeps> right, but that's not really unusual
[7:22] <djerome> actually, i was asking what are those names
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> most are like that
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[7:22] <Stskeeps> i think it was like kernel and cmdline, but again, i'm not at the sd card atm
[7:22] <Stskeeps> :P
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[7:24] <djerome> Stskeeps, thanks, not a problem
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[8:18] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: chuck me a text if davespice comes on
[8:18] <tntexplosivesltd> going afk
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[9:58] <theTroy> hmm, where is the actual hdmi out on the raspi?
[10:00] <MichaelMalus> http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/DSC_1072.jpg
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[10:10] <theTroy> MichaelMalus: ah right, missed that one, thanks
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[11:53] <MystX> Ok, so who knows how to retrieve a remote image with PHP?
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[12:03] <MystX> =(
[12:03] <haltdef> :(
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[12:04] <MystX> ;-;
[12:04] <MystX> FINE, ILL GOOGLE IT
[12:05] <MystX> (??????????????????? ?????????
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[12:11] <izua> imagecreatefromjpg("url");
[12:11] <izua> just think of how people aquired knowledge before search engines were around
[12:11] <izua> and dwell in your feelsbadman
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[12:17] <MystX> oh man
[12:17] <MystX> does that function only work for jpegs?
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[12:19] <MystX> I might use file_get_contents
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[12:49] <Jimf82> good mornings
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[12:53] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[14:19] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[17:21] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[18:02] <bbeattie> Is anyone familiar enough with the l6203 motor controller on the gertboard (or electronics in general) to know if I could run 14v at 10amps through the motor driver? The l6203 is rated for up to 48v 4A which is about 200 watts, so I wonder if I could do 14v@10A for 140 watts and be fine.
[18:03] <bbeattie> This is possibly a very simple question for a EE but not to a CS guy.
[18:05] <victhor> I have a feeling these are separate limits. You can't drive more than 4A, but I'm not sure.
[18:06] <victhor> (regardless of voltage)
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[18:11] <bbeattie> K, I was hoping that wasn't the case. It would be interesting to know what part can only take 4A and why...
[18:11] <bbeattie> I'm also trying to figure out if the gertboard will have Back-EMF on it to sense load on a motor controller...
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[18:18] <pasza> hi @all
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[18:36] <dmsuse> the motor you see being powered by the gert board will be alot more than 4 amp
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[19:06] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[19:11] <pygo> :O
[19:12] <IT_Sean> ?
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[19:15] <pygo> pretzels
[19:16] <IT_Sean> pretzels?
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[19:16] <pygo> PiBot: was saying something about pretzels
[19:16] <IT_Sean> oh
[19:17] <xlq> Perhaps IT_Sean is ignoring PiBot
[19:17] * IT_Sean isn't
[19:17] * IT_Sean just got here
[19:17] <xlq> Oh.
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[19:18] <pygo> I'm gonna have to go. work time soon
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[19:24] <IT_Sean> bummer
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[19:55] <sightlight> hi
[19:55] <IT_Sean> o/
[19:56] <sightlight> anynews pi?
[19:58] <IT_Sean> wha?
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[19:59] <cornet> mmm pi
[20:00] <sightlight> any news about the raspberrypi?
[20:00] <IT_Sean> have you checked the website?
[20:00] <IT_Sean> No new news since the start of production.
[20:00] <cornet> it's in production
[20:00] <cornet> the hamsters are working on building them
[20:01] <sightlight> ETXreal graphics engine looking like crysis can be compiled for the raspberrypi
[20:02] <sightlight> the source is availible.
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[20:03] <victhor> "too little ram
[20:04] <sightlight> low ram but its fast
[20:04] <mrDragons> ...
[20:05] <mrDragons> 700mhz man
[20:05] <zgreg> I don't get it why so many people are obsessed with gaming on this little board
[20:05] <mrDragons> on an arm 11
[20:05] <haltdef> it is not fast
[20:05] <dmsuse> someone worked out the other day the cpu is equivalent to that of a 100mhz intel
[20:05] <hamitron> it is fast "for some applications" ;)
[20:05] <haltdef> the gpu is surprisingly powerful, but the cpu is not
[20:05] <haltdef> armv6 is ancient
[20:05] <victhor> it's slow, 256 MB of RAM.
[20:06] <zgreg> dmsuse: that's a bit much, but it's somewhere there, yes
[20:06] <zgreg> if compared to a state of the art x86 cpu
[20:06] <sightlight> well
[20:07] <haltdef> sightlight, are you seriously going to be playing real games on this thing regularly?
[20:07] <hamitron> the fact it s slower, can only be good to encourage new coders to learn to be efficient ;)
[20:07] <zgreg> I approximated that the CPU is about as fast as a 400 MHz intel atom
[20:07] <haltdef> 400mhz? ouch
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[20:07] <sightlight> i heard many people claiming that the raspberry pi gpu drivers were being improved
[20:07] <zgreg> to put it into perspective for people who know that
[20:07] <dmsuse> i hope they are right now designing a second, with a slightly better cpu (but not sacrifice the low power consumption)
[20:08] <zgreg> and intel atom is about the slowest x86 cpu you can buy at the moment :)
[20:08] <haltdef> the gpu isn't the problem, the low ram and slow cpu is
[20:08] <sightlight> I will be gaming regularly
[20:08] <victhor> broadcom has a soc on their page, dual core cortex a9 and videocore iv.
[20:08] <haltdef> you will be dissapointed then
[20:08] <BarryK> yep
[20:08] <haltdef> (sp)
[20:08] <zgreg> I imagine emulators won't run well on raspberry pi either
[20:08] <haltdef> get a decent gaming machine
[20:08] <mrDragons> unless you like MUDs
[20:08] <zgreg> most emulators are cpu bound, hard
[20:08] <mrDragons> :P
[20:08] <haltdef> raspis are not meant for gaming
[20:08] <zgreg> so, forget about emulating that SNES or whatever
[20:08] <sightlight> I guess we have to find out
[20:08] <victhor> it's not possible that a NES emulator won't work... they did on the GP2X
[20:09] <BarryK> yep might be able to push up to some PS1/N64 games at low resolutions
[20:09] <haltdef> trying to make one work on it to see if you can I get but seriously looking at it for real games is mental
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[20:09] <zgreg> victhor: NES should be possible, that's a very simple system. but everything beyond that, no
[20:09] <BarryK> what snes emulation should be easy on it
[20:09] <haltdef> ??500 on a decent deskop with windows
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[20:10] <sightlight> if I cant game, why did they demonstare quake 3 running full and 1080p?
[20:10] <zgreg> BarryK: decent emulation (no glitches, good sound, full speed) won't
[20:10] <^robertj> anyone here interested in mesh networking?
[20:10] <mrDragons> To demonstrate the GPU capabilities
[20:10] <mrDragons> It will not run crysis, to answer the meme.
[20:10] <BarryK> SNES? yeah that shouldn't be an issue
[20:10] <haltdef> anything cpu bound will implode
[20:10] <hamitron> ^robertj, yes, but not done anything with it
[20:10] <haltdef> anything that needs a lot of ram will implode
[20:10] <victhor> MAME is out of question :P
[20:10] <zgreg> sightlight: because quake 3 is exactly the game that fits the raspberry pi. doesn't really require any cpu power and can make good use of the gpu
[20:11] <haltdef> a 256MB arm11 machine just cannot run games usefully, use something fit for purpose
[20:11] <^robertj> hamitron, you done any research into it at all?
[20:11] <sightlight> xreal is based on the quake 3 engine
[20:11] <mrDragons> *sigh*
[20:11] <friggle> victhor is exactly right: look at the emulators available on devices lower-specced than the raspi such as GP2X
[20:11] <cornet> why do i get the feeling a lot of people that buy rasberrypi will be dissappointed
[20:12] <cornet> because their expectation is wrong
[20:12] <sightlight> no
[20:12] <haltdef> yes
[20:12] <xlq> There were some pretty nice games on 16 MHz ARM7 with 256KB RAM :)
[20:12] <victhor> completely.
[20:12] <zgreg> friggle: emulators on those kinds of devices tend to suck, since they use many hacks and shortcuts for speed...
[20:12] <hamitron> ^robertj, I've read small bits about it.... but I know nobody locally who would want to partake in it, so didn't persue it further
[20:12] <zgreg> and that'd be required on raspberry pi as well
[20:12] <victhor> xlq, last time I tried a GBA emulator on a cortex a8... it ran at 50% speed...
[20:12] <^robertj> hamitron, I'm an IT manager at a public housing complex
[20:12] <BarryK> zgreg: they're perfectly playable regardless of their accuracy
[20:13] <^robertj> hamitron, so you can see how even low-speed wifi would be a boon to them at $5/mo
[20:13] <IT_Sean> /clear
[20:13] <friggle> well sure, you're not going to get uber-accurate emulators like bsnes
[20:13] <IT_Sean> whoops
[20:13] <^robertj> I could probably charge them for POTS as well
[20:13] <zgreg> you want to run "desktop" emulators like snes9x on raspberry pi? forget it, that will never get anywhere near playable speeds
[20:13] <friggle> and some compromises must be made. But GP2X is a lot less powerful and has IMO a pretty awesome set of emulators
[20:13] <^robertj> zgreg, dude, snes9x has got to scale down with a bit of work
[20:13] <zgreg> BarryK: well, "playable" in quotes, yes
[20:14] <^robertj> there are all kinds of optional settings for emulation accuracy that are cpu hogs that can get disabled
[20:14] <hamitron> ^robertj, I reckon it has its use in some situations, yeh.... but I'm from the UK and we are densly populated with good services
[20:14] <BarryK> no playable as in no real differences, no glitches etc even my dingoo manages it
[20:14] <victhor> ummm try some of the more complex titles?
[20:14] <zgreg> if the emulator makes the sound glitch, doesn't run at full speed and has other various quirks, I'd rather use the original system, thanks
[20:14] <^robertj> hamitron, we are too. Public housing is our council estates
[20:15] <victhor> although going for accuracy vs. speed on a ARM11 is not feasible
[20:15] <^robertj> but rest easy, there will be a snes emulator that is good enough for almost everything within a few weeks
[20:15] <hamitron> even those out of work, have a large budget here, so DSL for ?5 is no problem
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[20:16] <victhor> some people want the game to look exactly like on the real console - others just want it to run at full speed and with no major glitches that make the game unplayable
[20:16] <zgreg> I probably belong to the former group
[20:16] <^robertj> hamitron, we have folks with iphones living with us too...it's about individual household priorities, and in some cases, making something available to kids who's parents might not have that as a priority
[20:17] <zgreg> but really, many of the emulators on gp2x are simply horribly
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[20:17] <zgreg> it boggles my mind how people conclude that SNES emulation works "without major issues"
[20:17] <plasmab> ?
[20:17] <Jaseman> Hello
[20:18] <hamitron> ^robertj, yeh
[20:18] <Jaseman> not a a very popular chat room then!
[20:18] <BarryK> zgreg: My dingoo doesn't have any problems with any snes games under dingux
[20:18] <sightlight> hi
[20:18] * hamitron has a SNES that plays SNES games well
[20:18] <hamitron> ;)
[20:19] <zgreg> hamitron: yes, me too
[20:19] <Jaseman> I guess its pointless to speculate what will or wont work until they are available
[20:19] <zgreg> Jaseman: no, it's not. it's well known how arm11 performs. :)
[20:19] <BarryK> me too but the Rpi is EASILY powerful enough to handle SNES emulation
[20:19] <sightlight> there are manygood graphics open source games out there like xonotic,warsow,alienarena
[20:19] <plasmab> Jaseman, the RasPi's are going to be like the beagleboards on steroids
[20:20] <victhor> more like "on depressants"
[20:20] <zgreg> plasmab: it's actually the other way around
[20:20] <xlq> :)
[20:20] <hamitron> it is smaller init?
[20:20] <xlq> My Asus M2N is like a BeagleBoard on steroids.
[20:20] <BarryK> yeah the RPi is much less powerful than a beagleboard
[20:20] <plasmab> zgreg, my IGEPv2 is slower than a beagle
[20:20] <plasmab> slower than a raspi i mean
[20:21] <hamitron> my pi will replace my P120 with 24Mb ram
[20:21] <zgreg> that must be a software issue
[20:21] <Jaseman> What happens if they all come back with a manufacturing fault? Lot's of dissapointment
[20:21] <hamitron> :D
[20:21] <victhor> your IGEPv2 is broken then
[20:21] <zgreg> raspberry pi has a much slower cpu than omap3
[20:21] <victhor> it is supposed to be much superior to the pi.
[20:21] <hamitron> Jaseman, could do :/
[20:22] <Jaseman> well lets just hope they are everything we hope them to be
[20:22] <plasmab> zgreg, really?
[20:22] <zgreg> plasmab: yes
[20:22] <mrDragons> I think with the beta boards coming back with only one easily fixed bug we'll be fine
[20:22] <hamitron> I'm sure many will get them, and only then realise how slow they are :)
[20:22] <plasmab> zgreg, arm11 is slower than arm9
[20:22] <plasmab> ?
[20:22] <zgreg> hamitron: probably
[20:23] <hamitron> but don't we all buy "stuff" that we never end up using? ;)
[20:23] <Jaseman> yeah I think some people assume it will outperform a PS3
[20:23] <zgreg> plasmab: err, no. igepv2 uses omap3 which has a cortex-a8, though.
[20:23] <victhor> plasmab, your IGEPv2 has a Cortex A8...
[20:23] <Jaseman> the Quake III demo was a little misleading
[20:23] <victhor> ...which is almost 2x as fast per clock than the ARM11.
[20:23] <mrDragons> Everyone's going to try and run their favorite bloated desktop distro, then be disappointed when it can't do "wobble windows" well.
[20:23] <Jaseman> you dont need THAT much power to do that
[20:23] <zgreg> hamitron: some people have rather crazy plans for the raspberry pi
[20:23] <plasmab> I thought an A8 was an Arm9
[20:23] <zgreg> check out the forums :)
[20:24] <^robertj> are there any usb devices which expose 2 radios over 1 usb connection?
[20:24] <zgreg> plasmab: no. arm9 is an old architecture.
[20:24] <hamitron> zgreg, I was getting too excited reading them..... couldn't complete the full list ;)
[20:24] <zgreg> plasmab: arm's naming scheme is pretty confusing
[20:24] <mrDragons> Arm is weird
[20:24] <zgreg> but really, cortex-a8 completely outclasses arm11
[20:25] <plasmab> meh.. not sure i'll bother with the rpi then. my IGEP is as slow as a wet week and its 2 years old
[20:25] <Jaseman> I guess the foundation won't be providing tech support
[20:25] <djerome> plasmab, ARM11 family is an ARMv6 architecture, the BeagleBoard as a Cortex family that is ARMv7 architecture
[20:25] <zgreg> cortex-a8 is easily 40-50% faster per clock
[20:25] <hamitron> is the slug ARMv6?
[20:25] <zgreg> and then there's neon simd, which can speed you majorly in some cases
[20:25] <zgreg> also, there's MUCH more cache on cortex-a8
[20:25] <zgreg> arm11 doesn't have any level2 cache at all
[20:26] <Jaseman> I quite like the idea of having to work with limited resources
[20:26] <mrDragons> Same
[20:26] <plasmab> when i want to work with limited resources i code for my BBC B
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[20:26] <Jaseman> you'll have to be more creative to achieve things
[20:27] <Jaseman> i remember I once typed 9999 lines of code on my ZX81
[20:27] <Jaseman> and realized I couldnt finish my program
[20:27] <plasmab> im impressed it let you enter that many lines
[20:27] <Jaseman> they were short lines probably
[20:28] <Jaseman> i did have the 16k ram pack
[20:28] <zgreg> so many lines on the crappy keyboard? hehe
[20:28] * hamitron liked the ZX keyboards
[20:28] <plasmab> yuck
[20:28] <plasmab> the beeb had a good keyboard
[20:28] <Jaseman> well if you hit the keys too hard it would reset
[20:28] <hamitron> it did, but never had one :(
[20:29] <zgreg> anyway, cortex-a8 would have made raspberry pi awesome, the current revision is pretty okay, but not more
[20:29] <Jaseman> but i dont remember having that problem very often
[20:29] * duckinator is too young to know about any of this :D
[20:30] <plasmab> whats kinda odd is that the RasPi is basically an Acorn Archimedes
[20:30] <plasmab> but then so is the iPhone
[20:30] <Jaseman> I remember our school got one of those
[20:30] <zgreg> how so?
[20:30] <Jaseman> the teacher brought it in and said.... THIS... IS THE ARCHIMEDES
[20:30] <hamitron> please don't compare the pi to an iphone..... putting me off buying one ;/
[20:30] <Jaseman> he was actually drooling
[20:31] <plasmab> hamitron, they have the same instruction set, more or less
[20:31] <hamitron> yeh, but don't highlight it ;D
[20:31] <Jaseman> I dont think he ever let the children use it
[20:31] <zgreg> that's rather silly. arm is everywhere.
[20:31] <Jaseman> we were on BBC B's I think
[20:31] <duckinator> plasmab: judging by the wikipedia page, it's more like an Archimedes on crack :P
[20:32] <plasmab> Archimedes was on crack to start with
[20:32] <duckinator> well then, what's that make the Pi?
[20:32] <Jaseman> I just remember that there was some key you could press and the BBC would make a satisfying beep sound
[20:32] <Jaseman> dont remember which key it was
[20:32] <plasmab> zgreg, yes but the arm started in the Archie and pretty much every machine with one since has been a clone
[20:33] <Jaseman> I think it was Copy
[20:33] <duckinator> Jaseman: my second-oldest desktop has that, it's called the "any key" and it seems to be hiding under the entire keyboard
[20:34] * plasmab even runs riscos on his IGEPv2
[20:34] <duckinator> Jaseman: of course, the beep isn't quite as satisfying as the one on my oldest desktop, which i managed to make play jingle bells at one point... :D
[20:34] <duckinator> PC speakers ftw
[20:34] <Jaseman> a few years ago, we got this rather old bridge engineer to come and work for us.....
[20:34] <Jaseman> on the first day he carried in this huge wooden box with padlocks on it
[20:35] <Jaseman> then left it there for a week
[20:35] <Jaseman> we all wondered what the hell might be in there
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[20:35] <Jaseman> anyway it turned out to be a sinclair ql
[20:35] * ctyler get ready to present "Fedora and the RaspberryPi" talk at FUDcon Blacksburg in 25 minutes
[20:36] <Jaseman> he had written some bridge design programs on it in basic and couldnt be bothered to rewrite it for the pc
[20:36] <^robertj> bwahaha
[20:36] <mrDragons> ctyler: good luck man
[20:37] <zgreg> ctyler: do you know the state of DDX drivers?
[20:37] <ctyler> zgreg: DDX isn't going to happen anytime soon, I suspect. X-on-OpenGLES is a lot closer.
[20:38] * ctyler needs more time to hack
[20:38] <zgreg> so, basically, a DDX that uses opengl as the backend? or what does that mean?
[20:38] <duckinator> ctyler: gl with the FUDcon talk o/
[20:38] <zgreg> but, yeah, good luck with the talk
[20:38] * duckinator unfortunately could not make it to FUDcon :( perhaps next year
[20:39] <ctyler> zgreg: trying to hack glamor server to work with the pi's GLES implementation
[20:39] <ctyler> thanks zgreg duckinator mrDragons :-)
[20:39] <^robertj> so looks like the cheapest sd card is $6.40 eh?
[20:39] <Jaseman> im hopnig to use a micro sd
[20:39] <zgreg> ah, glam0r, I remember hearing about that project
[20:39] <Jaseman> inside an adapter
[20:40] <Jaseman> will that be ok?
[20:40] <duckinator> ^robertj: depends, how large do you want? :P
[20:40] <^robertj> duckinator, tiny
[20:40] <^robertj> just enough to boot strap the thing
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[20:40] <duckinator> ^robertj: 2GB?
[20:40] <^robertj> that would be fine
[20:40] <duckinator> ^robertj: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007796&IsNodeId=1&Order=PRICE
[20:41] <^robertj> the 2.99 eats into the cost
[20:41] <duckinator> mmm, yea was about to say i missed the shipping before linking to that
[20:41] <^robertj> I can get a 4gig from amazon @ $6.40
[20:41] <^robertj> with free shipping
[20:42] <^robertj> any sources on cheap wifi adapters?
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[20:42] <zgreg> glamor seems to be rather hacky though. a generic opengl-based DDX would fit much cleaner into xorg architecture from what I can see?
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[20:43] <duckinator> ^robertj: i'd personally just check amazon, newegg, and tigerdirect and compare the cheapest few from those 3
[20:44] <Jaseman> I bought some 16gb micro sd cards for around ??16 - a pound per gig - seemed reasonable
[20:44] <Jaseman> don't buy they frmo ebay though!
[20:44] <Jaseman> amazon I got mine from
[20:44] <mrDragons> I just have a couple old 1gb sd cards I plan to use, heh
[20:45] <ctyler> zgreg: glamor early implementations were Intel-specific but are being refactored
[20:45] <hamitron> the wiki says MMC work
[20:45] <Jaseman> linux itself needs a fair amount
[20:45] <zgreg> yeah, wasn't glamor that project some intel developers suddenly popped up with?
[20:45] <duckinator> Jaseman: idk about other distros, but i know ArchLinux (at least the x86 version) can be squeezed into 400MB
[20:46] <zgreg> "oh yeah, here's our huge mess of code... plz merge nao!"
[20:46] <Jaseman> thats cool....
[20:46] <Jaseman> i guess you could run a live cd
[20:46] <Jaseman> off a usb cd drive or a mounted iso
[20:46] <zgreg> ctyler: it looks like glamor actually can work as a DDX though, that's cool.
[20:47] <mrDragons> Run a live cd of what?
[20:47] <duckinator> hmm, i'm not so sure. livecds need a lot of RAM, might perform in a rather pathetic manner
[20:47] <Jaseman> linux
[20:47] <mrDragons> Why not off the sd card?
[20:47] <Jaseman> im expecting it will be like that anyway
[20:48] <mrDragons> And it would be a bit more complex than that
[20:48] <^robertj> duckinator, I was wondering if anyone had an el-cheapo chinese import that worked for them
[20:48] <duckinator> iv'e managed archlinux working comfortably with 400MB HDD/16MB RAM, debian with slightly more HD space (i think that was a goof on my part; from what i hear Debian is supposed to be able to be made really tiny)
[20:49] <duckinator> although i'll note that was without xorg on either of them and it was on x86, so YMMV
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[20:49] <mrDragons> xorg is overrated, twin is awesome. :P
[20:49] <duckinator> twin?
[20:49] <mrDragons> It's a console-based wm
[20:49] <djerome> is anyone interested in a command line only distribution?
[20:49] <^robertj> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-usb-150mbps-802-11b-g-n-wifi-wireless-network-adapter-106094
[20:49] <mrDragons> Very
[20:50] <djerome> ima get ttylinux on the rpi as soon as i can get one
[20:50] <^robertj> djerome, im planning to use mine virtuall 100% headless
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[20:53] <mrDragons> I plan to try and get a framebuffer working right, so I can still use mplayer to watch movies and stuff without x.org
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[20:54] <dmsuse> watch them ascii :P
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[20:55] <dmsuse> i saw a video of the pi playing a video... surely they already have framebuffer working?
[20:55] <Stskeeps> framebuffer works fine
[20:55] <mrDragons> I mean from console
[20:56] <rm> a video of the pi playing a video <- Xzibit would approve :P
[20:56] <dmsuse> from what i saw the video was played from consle?
[20:56] <Stskeeps> long story short, there is a framebuffer and a display manager interface of sorts so you can overlay layers with various opacity
[20:56] <Stskeeps> ie, gles is a layer on top, for instance
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[20:57] <mrDragons> Mkay, cool
[20:57] <victhor> I actually did watch that pimp my ride episode...
[20:57] <duckinator> rm: now we need a video of a pi playing the video of a pi playing a video of a pi playing a video of a pi playing a video of a pi.... ;P
[20:58] <dmsuse> lol
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[20:59] <xlq> Just point the camera at the screen while recording.
[20:59] <xlq> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Adam_Savage_HOPE.jpg
[21:01] <victhor> I did that once! It looked weird :P
[21:02] <Jaseman> i think a lot of people will look at their pi's and think... hold on a minute... I've got an i7 over here, why am I using this little thing?
[21:02] <xlq> Then the power goes out and the r-pi remains running from the battery :D
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[21:03] <Jaseman> one great thing... it doesnt need fans
[21:03] <Jaseman> that's one major bonus I think
[21:03] <xlq> I'm a fan of the r-pi!
[21:03] <happiness> But then how will my room have that airport-like ambience?
[21:03] <xlq> You can get silent PCs already though.
[21:03] <Jaseman> gosh I'll be so happy not to have that sound
[21:03] <victhor> you should see how hot my room got when I turned on 3 computers running BOINC with the windows closed...
[21:04] * plasmab plans to send a RasPi into space :)
[21:04] <Jaseman> and not even a clicking hard drive
[21:05] <Jaseman> the obvious use i think is.... web browser
[21:05] <Jaseman> if it only does that, it will be worthwhile
[21:05] <happiness> And musics
[21:06] <Jaseman> well an mp3 player can handle that very cheaply
[21:06] <Jaseman> i was really dissapointed with the playstation 3's web browser
[21:06] <happiness> An mp3 player doesn't run (open) linux.
[21:06] <Jaseman> i just cant use it
[21:06] <hamitron> a phone with a solid wood case?
[21:07] <Jaseman> well im just thinking about the person that would like to go online
[21:07] <Jaseman> but doesnt want to buy a computer
[21:07] <Jaseman> he might consider and pi
[21:07] <happiness> Did you see the pics of beta #8 alongside an iphone? A phone made out of it might be possible
[21:08] <happiness> A bit chunky maybe, but I really thought it'd be bigger
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[21:08] <Jaseman> i saw some pics of a different looking pi....
[21:08] <hamitron> bigger phones are a better weapon for defense also :)
[21:08] <Jaseman> which was usb stick shaped
[21:08] <haltdef> easier to just get a ZTE blade than build your own out of a raspi
[21:09] <hamitron> haltdef, and it is easy to build your own OS for it?
[21:09] <mrdragons> Sure, it's easier, that doesn't mean it's more phone/has more "I did this" value
[21:09] <mrdragons> *more fun
[21:09] <mrdragons> Derp
[21:09] <haltdef> modify android, sure
[21:09] <Jaseman> this was it: http://news.cnet.com/i/tim/2011/05/06/pcb_610x458.jpg
[21:09] <hamitron> I don't want android
[21:09] <hamitron> :/
[21:09] <haltdef> tough. :P
[21:10] <hamitron> the pi can run proper linux
[21:10] <hamitron> ;)
[21:10] <haltdef> so can the n900
[21:10] <haltdef> bit more expensive but yes
[21:10] <hamitron> yeh, n900 is another choice
[21:10] <mrdragons> The n900 is awesome, I'll give you that
[21:10] <haltdef> the raspi also won't work as a phone without significant effort .. even then, would you use the end result as a real phone?
[21:10] <haltdef> or is it more of a see if you can sort of thing
[21:10] <mrdragons> Both maybe
[21:10] <hamitron> haltdef, I have no phone atm, so yes
[21:10] <hamitron> ;)
[21:11] <haltdef> :/
[21:11] <xlq> Jaseman: Yeah, was that with the same SoC?
[21:11] <haltdef> let us know how that goes :P
[21:11] <mrdragons> Just because it may take effort doesn't mean you shouldn't try
[21:11] <haltdef> reinventing the wheel comes to mind
[21:11] <hamitron> so long as can plug a full sized keyboard into my phone, I'd be happy
[21:11] <Jaseman> i dont know....
[21:11] <hamitron> :)
[21:11] <haltdef> only you'd be making it out of jam
[21:11] <haltdef> (raspberry jam!)
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[21:11] <Jaseman> but i would like one that size
[21:12] <hamitron> I've also considered maybe getting a tablet to use as a phone
[21:12] <mrdragons> well, if you put it that way, there's not a lot of point in programming
[21:12] <hamitron> another easier/cheap option
[21:12] <haltdef> my dad tried that with a 7" tablet, it's not practical becauseit won't fit in any pocket
[21:12] <hamitron> I never take my mobile phone with me though
[21:12] <Jaseman> i dont really need a practical reason for having one
[21:12] <hamitron> so would be ok :)
[21:12] <haltdef> O_o
[21:12] <hamitron> Jaseman, that too
[21:13] <hamitron> :)
[21:13] <Jaseman> its just something to tinker with
[21:13] <mrdragons> ^that
[21:13] <mrdragons> "Because it's awesome"
[21:13] <haltdef> I've given up on an all in one, atm I have a zte blade for calls, texts and music and a viliv n5 running win7 for everything else
[21:13] <haltdef> none of these mobile OSes were making me happy, x86 windows is
[21:13] <mrdragons> Ew windows
[21:13] <haltdef> though maemo 5 came very close
[21:14] <Jaseman> i ran kubuntu for 3 days....
[21:14] <Jaseman> and i was getting annoyed with it
[21:14] <haltdef> I hear you, linux is not for everyone
[21:14] <Jaseman> the thing is with windows everything just works
[21:14] <hamitron> it does? :/
[21:14] <haltdef> I enjoy dicking about with it but I don't see myself using it as my main OS any time soon
[21:14] <haltdef> usually :P
[21:14] <Jaseman> with linux you think you're doing ok then you try something and it doesnt
[21:14] <haltdef> my thoughts exactly
[21:14] <Jaseman> and then you spend 3 hours trawling through forums
[21:14] <hamitron> my last 10 years of computing have been riddled with incompatibilities
[21:14] <hamitron> :(
[21:14] <mrdragons> Everything works with windows? Since when?
[21:15] <Jaseman> wondering why you cant play lossless wma
[21:15] <xlq> [20:14] <Jaseman> the thing is with windows everything just works
[21:15] <xlq> Except when it doesn't.
[21:15] <hamitron> I use windows for gaming :)
[21:15] <victhor> it never does
[21:15] <Jaseman> its not perfect im not saying it is....
[21:15] <Jaseman> but the truth is on linux i hit stumbling blocks more often
[21:16] <Jaseman> and that can be annoying....
[21:16] <hamitron> linux is getting harder to get working :/
[21:16] <Jaseman> but i think you have to stick with it
[21:16] <haltdef> linux is free if your time is worthless :p
[21:16] <xlq> Ubuntu is getting harder to get working, because, paradoxically, they try to make it easier to get working.
[21:16] <mrdragons> Maybe, I always had a ton of problems with ubuntu
[21:16] <hamitron> xlq, exactly
[21:16] <Jaseman> once you have it all sussed out and downloaded all the libraries/repositories and extra things that dont come bundled in, you will be happy
[21:16] <xlq> So they pile layer upon layer of abstraction on to it, and it becomes more and more complicated.
[21:16] <hamitron> and I blame X.org too
[21:16] <mrdragons> What xlq said
[21:17] <mrdragons> Ever since I switched to distros like Arch and Slackware linux has been much simpler
[21:17] <Jaseman> someone just needs to write a bash script....
[21:17] <hamitron> slackware <3
[21:17] <Jaseman> that you can run straight after the standard distro install
[21:17] <haltdef> I only recently learned of arch
[21:17] <Jaseman> which will do all the apt-get crap for you
[21:17] <hamitron> my comps won't run arch :(
[21:17] <haltdef> gentoo like package manager it seems?
[21:17] <Jaseman> so taht you can play dvd's and do all the things you just know everybody will want to do
[21:18] <mrdragons> Jaseman: Write it yourself lol, bash scripts are easy
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[21:18] <haltdef> that mentality is frustrating too
[21:18] <haltdef> "write it yourself"
[21:18] <Jaseman> some people dont want to write it themself
[21:18] * hamitron likes it
[21:18] <haltdef> I'll just use windows, microsoft have written the thing I want for me. :P
[21:18] <hamitron> hang on.... isn't the pi all about coding? o.O
[21:18] <Jaseman> they want it done for them so they can get on with actually using it
[21:18] <mrdragons> People should be able to code basic scripts to do things
[21:18] <Jaseman> instead of wasting hours getting it to work
[21:19] <mrdragons> If it takes you hours to write a bash script you're doing it wrong.
[21:19] <haltdef> meanwhile, in reality, people don't want to do that
[21:19] <Jaseman> well theres a certain type of people who want to build it themselves
[21:19] <Jaseman> right back to compliing the binaries
[21:19] <hamitron> too many major distro targeting the newbs and mainstream, in summary
[21:19] <Jaseman> and that's fine....
[21:19] <hamitron> not a distro for everyone
[21:19] <Jaseman> if thats your thing
[21:19] <mrdragons> Not really
[21:20] <haltdef> I'll be doing that on the raspi with gentoo but I want my desktop and laptop to work
[21:20] <mrdragons> That's what the raspi is trying to address, nobody knows anything about computers
[21:20] <Jaseman> but the average man on the street wants to press the on button and get to the porn in the quickest possible time
[21:20] <haltdef> I've never been able to get into programming
[21:20] <hamitron> Jaseman, and be able to shut it down with one hand? ;/
[21:21] <Jaseman> yeah i was thinking a button you can press....
[21:21] <hamitron> the pi can do that, sorted... win!
[21:21] <Jaseman> which switches the screen to a shop selling jewelry or something
[21:21] <hamitron> haha
[21:21] <Jaseman> so when the misses comes in
[21:21] <Jaseman> and sees you flinching
[21:22] <Jaseman> you can say.. oh darling its a secret
[21:22] <mrdragons> I mean really though, "apt-get install whatever" over and over should be really easy to do
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[21:22] <Jaseman> yeah but im yet to find a simple list of instructions....
[21:23] <hamitron> what amazes me the most.... I have loads of old hardware not supported now because it is old and slow..... yet see how many are going crazy over this pi
[21:23] <hamitron> :/
[21:23] <Jaseman> saying right once youve installed kubuntu
[21:23] <Jaseman> youll need to apt-get all this other stuff
[21:23] <Jaseman> and then everything will work
[21:23] <hamitron> so I have older slow stuff that has to go to landfill, and then replaced with new slow hardware
[21:23] <hamitron> \o/
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[21:24] <plasmab> hamitron, i bought an amiga 4000 recently for about 300 pounds
[21:24] <plasmab> old computers arent cheep
[21:24] <Jaseman> cool
[21:24] <Jaseman> i gave my amiga 500 away
[21:24] <hamitron> plasmab, I'm talking i586 machines
[21:25] <hamitron> probably faster than the pi, but too slow for everyone? ;)
[21:25] <Jaseman> you have to live in the present
[21:25] <Jaseman> amiga had its day
[21:25] <haltdef> I think it's the size and price of the pi that sucks everyone in
[21:25] <Jaseman> everything just got better
[21:25] <mrdragons> I have a computer I got from school still running windows 3.1 on a pentium
[21:25] <plasmab> Jaseman, there are plenty of things to learn from the amiga
[21:25] <mrdragons> Like microkernels
[21:26] <plasmab> just dont kid yourself that these old machines are useful
[21:26] <Jaseman> amos
[21:26] <hamitron> so why is old worse.... if it is faster?
[21:26] <Jaseman> well most people used it to play games
[21:26] <hamitron> I personally like all IT gear, but seems strange some will want a pi, yet not a K6-3
[21:26] <rm> hamitron, think power consumption
[21:26] <hamitron> free heating
[21:26] <hamitron> ;)
[21:26] <Jaseman> i quite liked deluxe paint III
[21:26] <rm> and size, NOISE
[21:27] <Jaseman> nicer than ms paint
[21:27] <piofcube> crayons and paper is nicer than MS Paint
[21:27] <hamitron> rm, I agree the pi is better for some things ofc, but for someone wanting to learn coding on a budget.....
[21:27] <hamitron> free comps!
[21:27] <Jaseman> but the thing is....
[21:27] <plasmab> K6-3 cpu's dont have character
[21:27] <Jaseman> you're not on a budget
[21:28] <Jaseman> i bet you're all earning at least 30k a yaer
[21:28] <plasmab> Jaseman, twice that
[21:28] <hamitron> students aren't
[21:28] <Jaseman> bank of mum and dad
[21:28] <rm> plasmab, oh no, K6-3 is cute...
[21:28] <haltdef> I can only get min wage jobs and I'm unemployed atm
[21:28] <rm> on many levels
[21:28] <Jaseman> every student i know does this.....
[21:28] * plasmab was a student for 11 years
[21:29] <Jaseman> mum im going to need a laptop for college
[21:29] <plasmab> rm: no intel machines have character
[21:29] <rm> it's not an Intel machine
[21:29] <hamitron> well, I intend to keep all my intel machines till they physically die
[21:29] <hamitron> ;)
[21:29] <rm> and that's the whole point
[21:29] <Jaseman> well i remember how horrible pc games were when the amiga was out
[21:29] <plasmab> no x86 machines have character
[21:30] <Jaseman> you were stuck on 256 colours and the sound was just beeps
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[21:30] <rm> a lot do
[21:30] <rm> find stuff like Rise mP6
[21:30] <rm> or even the WinChip
[21:30] <Jaseman> what was that package on the amiga...
[21:30] <plasmab> nope
[21:30] <Jaseman> for writing music
[21:30] <hamitron> I have 16 i586 cpu comps :/
[21:30] <plasmab> rm: go pickup a riscpc
[21:31] <rm> Cyrix is the most easy to come by, and it's cute in its own way too -- "the last true CISC"
[21:31] <rm> (in x86)
[21:31] <Jaseman> i dont remember the name of it but it was amazing
[21:31] <plasmab> Jaseman, Octamed
[21:31] <Jaseman> no that wasnt it
[21:31] <plasmab> Soundtracker?
[21:31] <Jaseman> you had channels....
[21:31] <Jaseman> yeah
[21:32] <Jaseman> soundtracker
[21:32] <plasmab> Octamed was a better version of Soundtracker
[21:32] <Jaseman> where the pc version of soundtracker?
[21:32] <mrdragons> Milkytracker
[21:32] <hamitron> how can a cyrix be better than a k6-3? :-o
[21:32] <mrdragons> I lieks it
[21:32] <Jaseman> i miss soundtracker
[21:32] <rm> hamitron, it's cuter :P
[21:32] <plasmab> Cyrix was utterly unbelievable on integer.. but sucked ass on float
[21:32] <hamitron> oh sorry, keep missing the image part ;)
[21:33] <mrdragons> If it's the type of tracker I'm thinking of, there's about a million of them out there
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[21:33] <Jaseman> ill have to look into it
[21:33] <Jaseman> as i recall, you had your instruments as wav files
[21:34] <Jaseman> and you could change the pitch
[21:34] <mrdragons> Yep
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[21:35] <Jaseman> i had this idea for a sort of add on for instant messengers....
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[21:35] <Jaseman> a robotic finger that you can tap remotely
[21:36] <Jaseman> you know like if you tap on the desk, the person at the otehr end will see the tapping
[21:36] <Jaseman> to get a sense that you are actually there with them
[21:36] <duckinator> Jaseman: i'll only support this if you add a bitchslapping mode to it as well
[21:36] <xlq> Jaseman: Can you make it punch too?
[21:36] <Jaseman> well sure later versions....
[21:36] <Jaseman> but you have to crawl first
[21:37] <Jaseman> before you can spank
[21:37] <mrdragons> Ew, cybering would take on a whole new level. :(
[21:37] <Jaseman> well heres another idea i had....
[21:37] <Jaseman> you have a robot in your house
[21:38] <Jaseman> and you pay someone to take control of that robot
[21:38] <Jaseman> remotely
[21:38] <Jaseman> they tidy your house up for you
[21:38] <Jaseman> and then you leave feedback
[21:38] <Jaseman> how well they tidied up
[21:38] <mrdragons> How would that be better than programming a robot to do that? XD
[21:38] <duckinator> what mrdragons said :P
[21:39] <Jaseman> well its easier to get a human to do it
[21:39] <duckinator> not as fun
[21:39] <Jaseman> they can do more complex moves
[21:39] <Jaseman> like...
[21:39] <Jaseman> my dvd collection is out of order please sort it alphabetically
[21:39] <Jaseman> whilst im asleep
[21:40] <duckinator> just make a robot with 5 arms and 2 cameras
[21:40] <mrdragons> That sort of thing is easy for computers to do
[21:40] <Jaseman> you get someone in new zealnd to do it because they are on different time zone
[21:40] <duckinator> a robot could do it, too
[21:40] <Jaseman> well this robot would need to be able to get around your house
[21:40] <Jaseman> i guess on wheels would be easiest
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[21:41] <Jaseman> with some arms and a camera for a head
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[21:41] <Jaseman> and youd have to lock the door so it couldnt escape with your stuff
[21:41] <duckinator> if your robot can clean, it can pick up your keys to unlock a door
[21:41] <Jaseman> you might find a hacker gets in and trashes your house
[21:41] <mrdragons> ...
[21:42] <victhor_> lol, that would be funny.
[21:42] <Jaseman> well thats where the feedback comes into it
[21:42] <Jaseman> you would only give the job to someone with a good history
[21:42] <duckinator> feedback: "HOLY SHIT THEY ROBBED ME AND I HAVE NO WAY TO GET IT BACK :("
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[21:43] <duckinator> Jaseman: but at the start, either nobody would have a good history or everyone would. both options mean your idea to only give the job to someone with a good history would be sorta broken at the start.
[21:43] <mrdragons> That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard. :P
[21:43] <Jaseman> well what you would do....
[21:43] <Jaseman> is the newbies will do it cheaper
[21:43] <Jaseman> or free
[21:43] <duckinator> Jaseman: make the robot do all of that itself :D
[21:43] <Jaseman> as an incentive
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[21:44] <Jaseman> until they can build a reputation
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[21:44] <mrdragons> Run it with a raspberry pi! :D
[21:44] <duckinator> haha
[21:44] <Jaseman> well its just an idea
[21:44] <Jaseman> i dont think i could make such a thing
[21:44] <Jaseman> gert might be able to
[21:44] <Jaseman> who the hell is gert anyway
[21:45] <mrdragons> Nah you prolly could, if you cut out the people part of it. :P
[21:45] <Jaseman> i imagine he's like the old man from pinnoccio
[21:45] <Jaseman> a kind old chap with a funny accent
[21:45] <xlq> And a long nose?
[21:45] <Jaseman> lol
[21:46] <Jaseman> what about Liz
[21:46] <Jaseman> ive only seen her avatar
[21:46] <Jaseman> who else wonders if shes hot?
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> pervert
[21:47] <Jaseman> lol
[21:47] <Jaseman> guess its just me then
[21:48] <_ross> http://www.gastronomydomine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bigchair.jpg
[21:49] <_ross> There you go : the pair of them
[21:49] <Jaseman> are they married?
[21:49] <_ross> Yup
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[21:49] <xlq> One hell of a chair.
[21:49] <mrdragons> I want that chair.
[21:50] <Jaseman> they look like phil and kirsty
[21:50] <Jaseman> off location location location
[21:51] <Jaseman> yeah shes not bad
[21:52] <Jaseman> how long before they are millionaires do you think?
[21:52] <plasmab> would expect they already are
[21:52] <mrdragons> 30 years
[21:52] <plasmab> million quid isnt what it used to be
[21:52] <xlq> Still a vast amount though.
[21:53] <Jaseman> maybe its all some ellaborate scam
[21:53] <_ross> Eben was one of the founders of http://www.ideaworksgamestudio.com/ previously
[21:53] <Jaseman> there is no Raspberry Pu
[21:53] <Jaseman> pi
[21:53] <mrdragons> Oh yeah, I forgot about that
[21:53] <xlq> The pi is a lie? O_o
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[21:53] <mrdragons> Yeah, eben is probably a millionaire lol
[21:53] <Jaseman> that would be a shocker
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[21:53] <Jaseman> but.....
[21:54] <Jaseman> anyone could claim to have made a playstation that fits into a usb stick
[21:54] <mrdragons> Oh wait, I was referring to him being a founder of ideaworks
[21:54] <Jaseman> who is to question it
[21:55] <Jaseman> how much is the pi?
[21:55] <Jaseman> ??20?
[21:55] <xlq> ??3,500
[21:55] <plasmab> Jaseman, i'm only 33 but im not far off being a millionaire.. just buy a few houses and get other people to pay rent on them. use that rent to pay the morgage
[21:55] <xlq> *mortgage
[21:56] <plasmab> never claimed to be able to spell mind :)
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[21:56] <theTroy> nowadays a million is pocket change
[21:56] <Jaseman> im 38 and nowhere near being one
[21:56] <haltdef> give me your pocket change then
[21:56] <_ross> Pi is $25/$35 + VAT + postage for model A/B
[21:56] <theTroy> I prefer to use it >.>
[21:56] <Jaseman> dollars?
[21:56] <Jaseman> whats that in real money?
[21:56] <haltdef> ??22
[21:56] <sightlight> anyone go to the raspberrypi shop
[21:57] <_ross> You'll want the $35 one a it has Ethernet and, most importantly, 256M of SDRAM (rather than the 128M on the 'A' model)
[21:57] <sightlight> there is soething wierd there
[21:57] <sightlight> not the chip duh
[21:57] <Jaseman> the model a is pointless in my opinion
[21:57] <xlq> sightlight: What's weird there?
[21:57] <mrdragons> Hah, england could fit inside of kansas here
[21:57] <theTroy> tbh, I am starting to doubt the need to buy raspi, when 3 mobile here locally sells galaxy europa for 40??
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[21:57] <sightlight> there is a box
[21:57] <theTroy> and that thing has 512 MB
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[21:57] <sightlight> 3rd box
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[21:58] <_ross> The 'A' model would be a lot less pointless if it also has 256M of SDRAM
[21:58] <Jaseman> i bet someone will start a business....
[21:58] <Jaseman> upgrades for your pi
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[21:58] <haltdef> I wonder how well the model As will sell
[21:58] <sightlight> there used to be 2 boxes for the 2 stickers
[21:58] <_ross> .. as then that + a USB 11n dongle could provide netork access
[21:58] <sightlight> now there is a 3rd
[21:58] <plasmab> the RasPi A model will be like the BBC model A
[21:58] <Jaseman> ram expansion kit
[21:58] <haltdef> for the sake of an extra 6 quid everyone will just get the B
[21:58] <theTroy> Jaseman: I doubt there would be a RAM expansion
[21:59] <Jaseman> exactly
[21:59] <Jaseman> ram replacement then
[21:59] <plasmab> exactly.. would have been better to have a version with a Wifi chip onboard
[21:59] <mrdragons> I'm going to buy a couple a models. *shrug*
[21:59] <haltdef> can't just peel the thing off :P
[21:59] <xlq> Good luck with that.
[21:59] <theTroy> if you are happy to do reflow soldering with .3mm pitch
[21:59] <theTroy> then sure why not
[21:59] <victhor_> it's a $35 computer... it does enough already
[21:59] <_ross> The problem with having any kind of radio on a board is you then need to get it certified
[21:59] <xlq> With PoP as well... O:
[21:59] <Jaseman> well i can just see it now...
[21:59] <plasmab> theTroy, sure. have the gear so why not
[21:59] <Jaseman> some smartar** will be bragging how he's got 512Mb
[21:59] <Jaseman> on his pi
[22:00] <xlq> 512Mb = 64MB
[22:00] <theTroy> tbh, as I said, there is no point to attach anything to rpi, other than motor/appliance controller
[22:00] <Jaseman> gb
[22:00] <mrdragons> lol
[22:00] <sightlight> they might be preparing to ship.
[22:00] <_ross> There is only a single chip select on the SDRAM interface so you are severely restricted in which SDRAMs are available
[22:00] <plasmab> xlq, quit trolling we knew what he meant
[22:00] <theTroy> since you can get a 600 Mhz 512 RAM board with wifi and other phone tools for ~40??
[22:00] <mrdragons> sightlight: That's been there a while
[22:00] <theTroy> which is just 15?? above the raspi
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[22:00] <_ross> 512M singe chip select parts *are* available (just) but are not widespread and therefore expesive
[22:00] <sightlight> didnt saw it
[22:00] <sightlight> but ok
[22:01] <Jaseman> could they have a processor socket on it?
[22:01] <Jaseman> so that you could swap it out
[22:01] <theTroy> AMRs are not interchangeable
[22:01] <theTroy> iirc
[22:01] <theTroy> especially if you want to go with a different generation
[22:02] <plasmab> theTroy, I planned to use a RasPi to give me control over my central heating over the internet
[22:02] <Jaseman> okay then....
[22:02] <xlq> theTroy: What board are you talking about?
[22:02] <mrdragons> Depends, earlier generations are usually compatable with later generations
[22:02] <plasmab> also planned to make one into a tube co-pro for the beeb
[22:02] <Jaseman> so what yuo need to do is make 'I can't believe it's not raspberry pi' - and give it double the ram
[22:02] <theTroy> xlq: galaxy europe on 3 mobile costs 40??
[22:02] <xlq> Oh.
[22:02] <victhor_> without contract?
[22:02] <theTroy> 600 Mhz 512 RAM phone
[22:02] <theTroy> without contract
[22:02] <theTroy> it requires 15?? top-up though iirc
[22:03] <theTroy> unless you are lready on 3 mobile
[22:03] <theTroy> is it ok to post link here?
[22:03] <sightlight> installing xonotic on a acer aspire one with GMA 500
[22:03] <victhor_> Atom CPU - much more powerful
[22:03] <Jaseman> i got away with it earlier
[22:03] <victhor_> a lot more RAM
[22:04] <sightlight> what?
[22:04] <Jaseman> posting a link
[22:04] <Jaseman> http://www.google.co.uk
[22:04] <Jaseman> see i didnt get kicked out
[22:04] <haltdef> I haven't seen a channel that kicks for URLs in many years
[22:04] <theTroy> Jaseman: :) sarcasm can go quite far
[22:04] <theTroy> either way : http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SAMSUNG-I5500-EUROPA-THREE/PPAY
[22:04] <Jaseman> sorry
[22:05] <theTroy> it does require 15?? top-up sadly
[22:06] <haltdef> similar spec to the zte blade
[22:06] <haltdef> half the ram, worse screen
[22:06] <theTroy> hmm, I saw the ram was 512
[22:06] <haltdef> same SoC and GPU though
[22:07] <Jaseman> can someone design a pi case made from lego?
[22:07] <Jaseman> and make sure to use common parts that people are likely to have
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[22:07] <theTroy> haltdef: yeah, but, compared to raspi, one would get gps + acceleromters + wifi/bluetooth for mere 15??
[22:08] <haltdef> tru
[22:08] <theTroy> and they ported cyanogen to it as well
[22:08] <theTroy> so I guess kernel can be played with
[22:08] <theTroy> oh, it even has a gyroscope
[22:09] <sightlight> wine on top of qemu, that beeing posible its a matter of programing wine for the raspberry pi
[22:09] <victhor_> but phones have no GPIO - only USB
[22:09] <victhor_> (well, exposed to the user)
[22:10] <haltdef> wine is not an emulator, it won't run any x86 code on an ARM chip
[22:10] <haltdef> iirc
[22:10] <haltdef> actually I'm pretty sure that's what WINE stands for ????
[22:10] <xlq> haltdef is correct.
[22:10] <victhor_> qemu is a emulator...
[22:10] <victhor_> ...with all the performance problems of one.
[22:11] <haltdef> then you have emulation overhead on an already slow chip
[22:11] <haltdef> just buy a proper computer :/
[22:11] <victhor_> qemu emulating a x86 on a ARM11 would be slow enough already
[22:11] <victhor_> in short: it's completely unusable for anything.
[22:12] <theTroy> victhor_: yeah, but apparently there are ways to use usb on the phone as a host
[22:12] <theTroy> and then you have things like bee motor controller, which is programmed via usb
[22:12] <theTroy> either way the raspi GPIO pins wont be able to do much other than controlling another microprocessor
[22:13] <sightlight> so an emulator that emulates windows on linux work?
[22:14] <haltdef> you will not be able to play games on it
[22:14] <victhor_> forget about emulating x86
[22:14] <xlq> Also if you're going to use QEMU you might just want to run Windows in it anyway.
[22:14] <victhor_> it won't work.
[22:14] <xlq> It will work, but it will be very slow.
[22:14] <victhor_> it will be so slow, that you wouldn't be able to do anything
[22:14] <haltdef> what games are you hoping to play on the raspi, sightlight?
[22:15] <_ross> I haven't looked at the exact GPIO pin muxing output on the final boards, but: I2C and SPI output is definitely there and I suspect that a pin mux operation would allow for I2S (so connect to a nice audio DAC). The two PWM outputs are currently used to provide the analogue audio out on the RPi board.
[22:15] <Jaseman> blockout
[22:15] <xlq> Blockout :D
[22:16] <sightlight> I dont have a good computer
[22:16] <sightlight> and the raspberrypi tech sound nice.
[22:16] <sightlight> what if it isnt a x86 procesor?
[22:16] <haltdef> it is not a replacement for a good computer
[22:16] <sightlight> things will get better along the way
[22:17] <sightlight> no need to be EXTREMLY negative about this new chep from brodcom
[22:17] <haltdef> I'm being realistic
[22:17] <Jaseman> will you be able to use things like google docs or zoho do you think?
[22:17] <sightlight> i like that
[22:17] <sightlight> I like lisening to music
[22:18] <sightlight> the Idea of playing games sounds nice too
[22:18] <haltdef> you are overestimating the capabilities of it by quite a lot .. yes, it's pretty damn impressive for ??22
[22:18] <haltdef> it is not going to outperform even a cheap atom netbook
[22:18] <sightlight> gamemaker is being develop for it
[22:18] <sightlight> yoyogames are doing it for fedora i think
[22:18] <_ross> It absolutley *is* going to outperform an Atom netbook if you pick your application carefully
[22:19] <mrdragons> I thought C and python already worked on it?
[22:19] <sightlight> huh? dragon?
[22:19] <_ross> For example - I am going to use it to replace my aTV2 (which can only output 720p HDMI) with a model B running XBMC playing 1080p content to 1080p HMDI
[22:19] <mrdragons> Game making utilities?
[22:20] <haltdef> my netbook can decode 1080p, gma500
[22:20] <_ross> You won't find many Atom netbooks happy with 1080p video driving a 1080p screen
[22:20] <haltdef> yeah only a 600p screen
[22:20] <sightlight> I have an ace aspire one. netbook
[22:20] <Jaseman> did anyone watch Liam Fraser's video tutorials on python game writing?
[22:20] <haltdef> nvidia ion based ones will do it easy :P
[22:21] <sightlight> halt. what OS are you USing>
[22:21] <haltdef> win7
[22:21] <sightlight> for your netbook
[22:21] <haltdef> if you're gaming why would you consider anything else? :P
[22:22] <Jaseman> hopefully there will be some software written specifically to run on a pi
[22:22] <Jaseman> games and such
[22:23] <sightlight> I was told that open source stuff for linux could be compile for linux and even optimized.
[22:23] <Jaseman> im sure they originally announced that Debian was going to be the official distro
[22:23] <sightlight> now im learning totaly the oposite
[22:23] <Jaseman> and then it suddenly changed to redhat
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[22:23] <piofcube> A game design app would be good if it were written for the R-Pi... even if it's something simple like Stencyl
[22:23] <mrdragons> Redhat? wtf?
[22:24] <Jaseman> yeah
[22:24] <Jaseman> thats what liz said
[22:24] <_ross> When?
[22:24] <mrdragons> Linky?
[22:24] <Jaseman> hold on
[22:24] <sightlight> stencyl?
[22:24] <haltdef> first I'm hearing about redhat
[22:24] <Jaseman> its on one of the forum pages
[22:24] <mrdragons> Same
[22:25] <Jaseman> it was under the heading 'fragmentation'
[22:25] <Jaseman> in general discussions
[22:25] <BarryK> Lots of software will appear but not until after release
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[22:25] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[22:26] <IT_Sean>
[22:26] <haltdef> well put
[22:26] <Jaseman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2
[22:26] <Jaseman> 'There will be an officially recommended distro, which I can't name because there are still some bits of paper that need signing ??? I can hint about things you might wear on your head that are not blue, though. A standard platform is absolutely necessary for people building learning materials. However, Raspberry Pi is just a Linux box. You're encouraged to use (and to port) whatever your favourite flavour is.'
[22:27] <_ross> Missed that.
[22:27] <bbeattie> dmsuse: on the motor driver, I had wondered what type of motor that was if it could open a garage door as those require quite a few amps. Do you know any more info about that motor and/or the max current the gertboard can output?
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[22:27] <BarryK> fedora I'd guess over redhat
[22:28] <mrdragons> Huh, okay then
[22:28] <mrdragons> OrangeTurban linux. :P
[22:29] <xlq> GreenHair
[22:29] <BarryK> well there is no ARM port for redhat and as far as I knew they werent even working on it, where fedora already has a ARM project
[22:30] <dmsuse> bbeattie: no, but i can tell you about the battery, i have the exact same one lol
[22:30] <Jaseman> with red hat you can get some sort of certification in it
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[22:30] <bbeattie> battery is probably a 8ah 12v?
[22:30] <Jaseman> whereas you cant with other distros
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[22:31] <dmsuse> 7ah 12v
[22:31] <Jaseman> i wondered if that might be the reason - from an educational viewpoint
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[22:31] <_ross> Another might be that Ubuntu is firmly "ARMv7" or later and RPi is only ARMv6
[22:32] <BarryK> yeah but redhat is for enterprise solutions
[22:32] <BarryK> Ubuntus arm port apparently wont be ready in time
[22:32] <Jaseman> im just going on what liz said
[22:32] <haltdef> ubuntu supports arm, not v6 though
[22:32] <dmsuse> ubuntu does not do daily releases?
[22:32] <Jaseman> she may have been bluffing
[22:33] <_ross> Ubuntu on RPi will never happen (AFAIK) because they are only maintaining an ARMv7 port
[22:33] <BarryK> Oh well if you're just talking about distros that'll be in alpha then you'll have a much longer list
[22:33] <_ross> (so Cortex A5, A8, A9, A15 etc)
[22:33] <haltdef> offically anyway
[22:33] <dmsuse> ah
[22:34] <Jaseman> i hope the pi community that is already emerging wont split up over distro's
[22:34] <Jaseman> would be a shame
[22:34] <haltdef> no doubt they will be
[22:34] <Jaseman> ill just go with whatever the official one is
[22:34] <haltdef> people eying up pis this early on are probably nerdy types who know what their favourite distro is already :P
[22:35] <BarryK> I wouldnt imagine they'll fight over it lol but a choice of distros for different applications would be essential for a small limited device like RPi
[22:35] <_ross> The image that went out with the Alpha and Beta and eBay units was all Debian
[22:35] <Jaseman> well you can put whatever you like....
[22:35] <Jaseman> but from the point of viwe of it being a learning platform
[22:35] <BarryK> personally I'll probably start on whatever distro gives me debian base and xfce first
[22:36] <Stskeeps> in practice it only matters if 1) most of it being oss and 2) the binary blobs that do exist, exists for the ABI's people are likely to use
[22:36] <BarryK> hopefully without 2 days of custom kernel builds lol
[22:36] <IT_Sean> is there any hope of getting the raspi to run some sort of HTPC front end, like xbmc or something?
[22:36] <_ross> Yes.
[22:36] <Stskeeps> IT_Sean: xbmc already runs
[22:36] <_ross> XBMC will be there
[22:36] <haltdef> I love that term
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Stskeeps: awesome
[22:36] <haltdef> "binary blob"
[22:36] <BarryK> yeah on has already shown xbmc running
[22:36] <IT_Sean> wewt
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Can it do 1080p? I don't recall...
[22:37] <_ross> It runs okay - there are some performance problems with complicated skins
[22:37] <_ross> But video decode works well
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> meh... basic skin 'll sort that out
[22:37] <Jaseman> can you run gnome on the pi?
[22:37] <BarryK> yeah 1080p video playback but the menu is pushing it, the menu isnt hardware accelerated and very unoptimised for the device
[22:37] <_ross> If you are outputting to a receiver then it will ship the AC3 out over HDMI
[22:37] <haltdef> anyone happen to know if the GPU will do xvid and mpeg2 as well as H.264?
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[22:37] <_ross> Otherwise you are forced to decode AC3 / AAC 5.1 to PCM and push that out
[22:37] <mrdragons> Itll be slow nut yes, gnome will work
[22:37] <piofcube> I'll be happy when I can get a R-Pi so I can get the media streamer setup for my YouTube series
[22:38] <_ross> Re: MPEG2 etc. - it all depends on what the foundation license
[22:38] <mrdragons> I'm going to use openbox
[22:38] <IT_Sean> I'm planning on using it as a media device
[22:38] <haltdef> I have a feeling "SD" xvid would be fine in software, my 512mhz xscale windows mobile pda managed it
[22:38] <_ross> (license as in from MPEG-LA etc)
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[22:39] <Jaseman> someone will run gnome and then put the xpgnome skin on it and claim to be running windows xp - im sure
[22:39] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:39] <mrdragons> I can't wait for that. XD
[22:40] <mrdragons> Or just as likely install w95 in dosbox
[22:40] <haltdef> cool things will be done with this anyway
[22:40] <piofcube> no doubt someone will stick it into a bulldozer setup and claim it can run Crysis on highest settings
[22:40] <haltdef> can't wait to see what :P
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[22:40] <_ross> The only XViD feature that isn't supported is GMC I think
[22:40] <Jaseman> its not really a problem - just convert your video
[22:40] <Jaseman> to whatever format runs best
[22:41] <_ross> H.264 will always work
[22:41] <_ross> ... and you'll be better off with progressive rather than interlaced content as a rule
[22:41] <mrdragons> Why is it named that, out of curiousity? H.264 is such an obscure name
[22:42] <_ross> It is just the "code" from the standards body
[22:42] <xlq> Because it's the successor of H.264? :P
[22:42] <xlq> Because it's the successor of H.263? :P
[22:42] <xlq> Messed that one up.
[22:42] <mrdragons> Heh
[22:42] <haltdef> suicide tbh
[22:42] <_ross> As such there many others like MPEG4-AVC which mean exactly the same thing
[22:42] <Jaseman> ogg vorbis might have been more successful had it been given a better name
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[22:43] <piofcube> Jaseman: You may have a point there.
[22:43] <_ross> Agreed Ogg Vorbs is a terrible name. Have a lot more hope for "WebM"
[22:43] <mrdragons> Jaseman: I agree
[22:43] <mrdragons> Which is too bad because it's a decent format
[22:44] <BarryK> probably would have been more successful if any consumer playback devices bothered to support it
[22:44] <xlq> Well Ogg is the container and Vorbis is the audio codec.
[22:44] <xlq> Vorbis isn't such a bad name, but "Ogg"? :-\
[22:44] <_ross> Okay : *both* names are terrible :-)
[22:44] <piofcube> I know Betamax died to a inferior standard (VHS) but if they used that name these days people would think it was still being tested.
[22:44] <xlq> Didn't the Betamax tapes at the time only go up to 15 minutes, or something?
[22:44] <Jaseman> i rip my music as mds images now
[22:45] <haltdef> O_o
[22:45] <Jaseman> and mount them
[22:45] <Jaseman> i dont really need to compress it anymore
[22:45] <piofcube> The first home system tapes did but TV studios still use Betamax
[22:45] <BarryK> no the tapes we're better in every way the playback equipment was harder to make and had more problems though
[22:45] <Jaseman> reason is....
[22:45] <Jaseman> vhs cant do frame by frame editing
[22:46] <Jaseman> beta can
[22:46] <piofcube> I used to fine tune betamax recorders so they recorded ceefax transmissions
[22:47] <Jaseman> good old teletext
[22:47] <haltdef> I have no idea what you guys are talking about
[22:48] <Jaseman> you're too young
[22:48] <piofcube> Should have a R-Pi network that uses teletext style chat/pages
[22:48] <Jaseman> i once had this idea to broadcast data on a radio station
[22:48] <piofcube> packet radio?
[22:48] <Jaseman> yeah sort of like fax noises
[22:49] <Jaseman> that you can pick up
[22:49] <Jaseman> some sort of streaming
[22:49] <Jaseman> i guess thats what dab radio is
[22:49] <_ross> Trivia: The VideoCore GPU used in RPi was developed by a Cambridge startup called 'Alphamosaic'. 'Alpamosaic' is the term given to the pictures on teletext that had to be made out of various characters
[22:49] <Jaseman> but no reason why it cant be data instead of sounds
[22:49] <xlq> It's what pretty much all digital radio is :)
[22:50] <xlq> From PSK31 to 802.11
[22:50] <piofcube> There used to be a TV program in the 80s that had a data dump thing at the end... like the border of a speccy while loading games... can't remember what the show was called.
[22:51] <Jaseman> everyone now starts making the sound of a spectrum game loading
[22:51] <Jaseman> duuuuuuuuur - dut
[22:51] <Jaseman> durrrr - diddle-idle-idle
[22:51] <zgreg> silly UK people with their speccy
[22:52] <piofcube> hehehe
[22:52] <Jaseman> this raspberry pi things is very clive sinclairish
[22:52] <Jaseman> he wanted to make a cheap home computer too
[22:52] <Jaseman> we've come full circle
[22:53] <piofcube> Just a good job he didn't deliver them... On his Sinclair C4
[22:53] <zgreg> c64 graphics and sound are superior
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[22:53] <piofcube> c64 could multiply :P
[22:53] <Jaseman> c64 was more expensive too
[22:53] <Jaseman> that was the point
[22:53] <Jaseman> had to be as cheap as possible
[22:53] <zgreg> http://www.c64vsspectrum.com/ !
[22:54] <zgreg> it is a clear win
[22:54] <Jaseman> you dont have to convince me
[22:54] <Jaseman> my friend had a commodore 64 and i had speccy
[22:54] <zgreg> you are boring. I wanted to start a classic flamewar
[22:54] <piofcube> You could understand speech on c64... remember ghostbusters in the speccy? it was like... gsshhhhttbshtrs
[22:54] <Jaseman> i remember the experience of playing outrun or 720 degrees was far better on c64
[22:55] <zgreg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6mXLxUZvzg <-- that was quite awesome
[22:55] <zgreg> someone also made an amiga mod player for the c64 :)
[22:55] <piofcube> I spent many a penny playing outrun at the arcade
[22:56] <Jaseman> for me c64 was just the prototype for amiga
[22:56] <piofcube> amiga were good
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[22:56] <piofcube> good enough to do the graphics for Babylon 5 anyway LOL
[22:57] <Jaseman> you know on your monitor....
[22:57] <Jaseman> the onscreen menu
[22:57] <Jaseman> to change your brightness and stuff like that
[22:57] <mrdragons> Yeah
[22:57] <Jaseman> i think they should control the mouse using that....
[22:57] <Jaseman> so your mouse pointer is overlayed on whatever you're on
[22:58] <Jaseman> independant of the OS
[22:58] <Jaseman> and then it sends the coords of the mouse into the computer
[22:58] <piofcube> so if your PC crashes you can still move the mouse?
[22:58] <Jaseman> direct from the screen
[22:58] <Jaseman> yeah....
[22:58] <mrdragons> Maybe, that'd be kind of cool
[22:58] <Jaseman> and they can just build more and more features into the screen
[22:58] <Jaseman> and they would be very stable
[22:58] <Jaseman> even if your OS crashed
[22:59] <Jaseman> some things will remain...
[22:59] <xlq> "more and more features" vs "very stable". Hmm.
[22:59] <Jaseman> like you could put the start menu there too
[22:59] <cul> But... what if the screen crashes?
[22:59] <mrdragons> Then you're screwed. XD
[22:59] <piofcube> If they stuck a few USB ports into the monitor for low demand stuff like keyboard and mouse etc... that would be handy...
[22:59] <Jaseman> well you already have photo viewers
[22:59] <Jaseman> and movie players built into tvs
[23:00] <Jaseman> where you can connect your flash card or usb to it
[23:00] <Jaseman> i think alot of the features could be contained within the screen
[23:00] <Jaseman> and could be cross platform
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[23:00] <Jaseman> basic functions like mouse pointers and start menus especially
[23:01] <piofcube> As long as they remembered to encrypt all the data, I would be happy with that
[23:01] <mrdragons> That's not a bad idea actually
[23:01] <xlq> Isn't that an iMac?
[23:02] <mrdragons> Does DVI-D/HDMI exchange data both ways?
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[23:02] <BarryK> except if the computer is unresponsive then you'll just lose the monitor menu too, it wont magically stop it getting unresponsive
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[23:02] <_ross> DVI-D : No
[23:03] <_ross> HDMI : there is CEC
[23:03] <plasmab> mrdragons, yes it can send an id back to the machine
[23:03] <plasmab> try swapping the cables on a dual dvi/hdmi setup sometime
[23:03] <plasmab> the screens dont swap round
[23:03] <plasmab> (with windows 7 anyways)
[23:04] <mrdragons> Ok, cool
[23:04] <mrdragons> I don't own anything with DVI-D or HDMI, I'm poor. :(
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[23:05] <plasmab> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,836&Prod=ATLYS
[23:05] <Jaseman> what type of monitor do you all have?
[23:05] <plasmab> thats my current playtoy
[23:05] <mrdragons> LVDS
[23:05] <plasmab> two hdmi in, two hdmi out
[23:06] <mrdragons> *Laptop
[23:06] <Jaseman> I've got 28" Hanns-G
[23:06] <Jaseman> fortunately it has hdmi
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[23:06] <Jaseman> and dvi and vga
[23:07] <BarryK> 2x24" Dell jobbies I got on the cheap :)
[23:07] <Jaseman> ive also got a 17" hp pavilion with a dodgy on button
[23:07] <plasmab> 2x20" Samsungs
[23:07] <Jaseman> i thought the power supply had broke... but its just the on button
[23:08] <Jaseman> you have to hit it about 10 times then it will come on
[23:08] <BarryK> nothing a quick case mod couldnt sort out
[23:08] <BarryK> i.e hit with a screwdriver until it works
[23:08] <Jaseman> i'd just break it
[23:08] <Jaseman> and it woundlt come on at all
[23:09] <BarryK> bah where's your sense of adventure
[23:09] <Jaseman> well at work i have loads of spare monitors
[23:09] <Jaseman> i wouldnt mind hacking those up
[23:09] <mrdragons> I need a job.
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[23:10] <Jaseman> if it finally dies (my hp one) i will acquire one from work
[23:10] <IT> irc on an ipaq :p
[23:10] <Jaseman> i look after 12 offices.....
[23:10] <Jaseman> every time i visit one, they unload all their old pcs on me
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[23:10] <Jaseman> i collect all the old stuff up for weee recycling
[23:10] <mrdragons> You should build a beowolf cluster
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[23:10] <PiBot> it_sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[23:11] <mrdragons> I wonder if PiBot is based on Bucket...?
[23:12] <Jaseman> can't help you there
[23:12] <Jaseman> i guess you are talking about a fake person in this chat room
[23:12] <Jaseman> a bot
[23:13] <mrdragons> http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket
[23:13] <Jaseman> strangely there's lots of people in this room
[23:13] <Jaseman> and very few talking
[23:13] <mrdragons> It's like that in a lot of channels
[23:13] <it_sean> thats normal here
[23:13] <Jaseman> ive been to meetings like that
[23:13] <Jaseman> :-)
[23:14] <Jaseman> at work i have 4 monitors on my desk
[23:15] <Jaseman> and 4 pc's
[23:15] <piofcube> I have 5 here
[23:15] <Jaseman> but i use synergy so that I can control them with one mouse and keyboard
[23:15] <Jaseman> ive got win xp, vista, win7 64-bit and win7-32 bit
[23:16] <Jaseman> and ive got another box running kubuntu
[23:16] <Jaseman> but thats on another desk
[23:16] <piofcube> I would but 2 of my machines are used as linux terminals
[23:16] <Jaseman> it just helps with troubleshooting
[23:16] <Jaseman> when im talking someone through something on the phone
[23:17] <Jaseman> because the menu layouts are different
[23:17] <Jaseman> remote access too of course
[23:17] <Jaseman> but i only use that if i really have to
[23:18] <Jaseman> but soon things will get better because.....
[23:18] <Jaseman> we used to get our stuff from dell
[23:18] <Jaseman> but we changed to a HP reseller
[23:19] <Jaseman> and they take forever to deliver stuff
[23:19] <Jaseman> so i convinced the IT boss that we should keep a few spare computers in stock
[23:19] <Jaseman> in case we need some in a hurry
[23:20] <Jaseman> like when a new emplyee starts and they say.... by the way we need a computer by monday (and its friday)
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[23:20] <Jaseman> so those spare brand new machines....
[23:20] <Jaseman> which are waiting to be issued will be on my desk
[23:20] <Jaseman> so ill always have a brand new pc
[23:21] <Jaseman> and when it gets issued to someone i just order another one
[23:21] <piofcube> Well... you need to soak test them ;-)
[23:21] <Jaseman> exactly :D
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[23:24] <Jaseman> we always wipe the pre-installed windows off
[23:24] <Jaseman> and put our own one on
[23:25] <Jaseman> the cmopany i work for is called Opus
[23:25] <Jaseman> they love to stamp their name onto everything....
[23:25] <Jaseman> so we dont call windows xp windows xp
[23:25] <Jaseman> we call it 'opusnet version 8'
[23:25] <Jaseman> and windows 7 is 'opusnet version 9'
[23:25] <Jaseman> and the intranet is called opusweb
[23:26] <Jaseman> its opus this and opusthat
[23:26] <Jaseman> and they've customized the menus in word
[23:26] <Jaseman> so that theres an Opus tab on the ribbon
[23:26] <Jaseman> and it alwasy crashes
[23:26] <Jaseman> wish they would just leave things as they come out of the box
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[23:29] <Jaseman> whats a beowolf cluster?
[23:30] <Jaseman> (checks wikipedia)
[23:30] <mrdragons> Basically a bunch of boxes connected together to make a kind of supercomputer
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[23:30] <mrdragons> Usually with a host node controlling a bunch of slave nodes
[23:31] <ahven> raspi would be the ideal device to test the software part on clusters
[23:31] <ahven> the space requirements are great :)
[23:32] <mrdragons> Yeah, a bunch of people have been talking about making clusters (brambles?) of of the raspi.
[23:32] <mrdragons> It wouldn't be fast, but it'd be awesome. ^_^
[23:32] <mrdragons> Fast relatively speaking of course.
[23:33] <Jaseman> only if you can get your application to use them all
[23:33] <Dagger3> a bunch of VMs would probably be a better use of your money, of course
[23:34] <Jaseman> i dont know if this has ever been done but....
[23:34] <Jaseman> i thought about setting up a pc
[23:34] <Jaseman> giving it a logmeinclient
[23:34] <Jaseman> and then give out the login details to anyone
[23:35] <Jaseman> so anyone can log in and use that machine
[23:35] <Jaseman> it might be interesting to see what they use it for
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[23:37] <mrdragons> Keyloggers galore, lol
[23:37] <Jaseman> yeah....
[23:37] <Jaseman> i used to have a good keylogger
[23:37] <Jaseman> but these days the antivirus picks them up
[23:38] <mrdragons> There's always ways around that
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[23:39] <Jaseman> one two occasions ive found dodgy photos on employees computers
[23:39] <Jaseman> involving them, their partners and otehr swingers
[23:39] <mrdragons> Should have blackmaled them. :P
[23:39] <mrdragons> *blackmailed
[23:39] <Jaseman> i thought about that
[23:40] <Jaseman> well one of them was a director
[23:40] <Jaseman> they got a new guy starting
[23:40] <Jaseman> on his second day i showed him a photo of his manager naked with his wife wearing an orange wig and a nurse uniform
[23:40] <mrdragons> 0_e
[23:40] <Jaseman> he told me he couldnt look the guy in the face
[23:41] <Jaseman> cruel i know
[23:41] <haltdef> :O
[23:41] <mrdragons> lol
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[23:41] <Jaseman> there was no mistaking it was his wife...
[23:42] <Jaseman> because he had a framed photo of her on his desk
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[23:42] <Jaseman> i considered reframing another photo of her
[23:42] <Jaseman> but decided against it
[23:42] <Jaseman> im sure he would work out that i was involved being the IT manager
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[23:44] <Jaseman> the joys of working in IT
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[23:54] <jojo> does your IT work often extend beyond stalking and gossip
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