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IRC Log for 2012-01-17

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[0:01] <Kostic> Hello everybody...
[0:01] <mrdragons> Hola
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[0:03] <Kostic> :D
[0:03] <Kostic> whats the status?
[0:03] <Kostic> and is Sopa protest still on site?
[0:03] <Kostic> because SOPA is under ice, as i have heard...
[0:04] <haltdef> PIPA isn't
[0:04] <Kostic> I know... Is there any draft which will list potential distributors of Raspi
[0:04] <Kostic> ?
[0:05] <haltdef> nothing like that yet
[0:06] <haltdef> you can do a test order of some stickers to get a rough idea of postage to your country, if that's what you're worried about
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[0:07] <Kostic> u read my mind :D
[0:07] <Kostic> And did they decided which OS will be the default?
[0:08] <mrdragons> Prolly redhat/fedora or debian, apparently more toward the former
[0:08] <haltdef> none if you don't buy an sd card
[0:08] * Rob__ is now known as ^robertj
[0:09] <mrdragons> They'll still have an official pre-made image
[0:09] <haltdef> I thought there would be more than one?
[0:10] <Kostic> I would like to see some experimenting Plan 9 from Bell Labs on Raspi videos... :)
[0:10] <mrdragons> There will, but they'll have one "main" one to prevent excessive fragmentation and provide a more universal platform for education
[0:10] <haltdef> ah right
[0:20] <traeak> Kostic: ahh yes, plan9 fun stuff
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[0:20] <traeak> ugh
[0:20] <traeak> he died
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[0:25] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
[0:28] <traeak> !w
[0:28] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Jan 16 17:53:00 2012. Temp 32??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 69%, Later 41??F - 9??F. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[0:28] <emusan> !w
[0:28] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Mon Jan 16 22:54:00 2012. Temp 274K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 52%, Later 33??F - 31??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[0:29] <traeak> clouds rolling in
[0:29] <traeak> forecast is still in 'f' so not very interesting :-p
[0:29] <emusan> change to kelvin
[0:29] <emusan> kelvin is da bestzies
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[0:36] <cousteau> ...oh, I forgot I didn't weather_set location... that explains why it didn't respond to me
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[0:43] <sightlight> hi hi hi]]
[0:47] <emusan> wai hai
[0:48] <sightlight> hello
[0:48] <sightlight> I was asking myself if codeweaver would port for raspberry pi
[0:49] <cornet> as in the commecial version of wine ?
[0:49] <cornet> I doubt it - would be far too slow
[0:49] <traeak> all right! more windows
[0:50] <sightlight> making a layer for for it to work for ARM procesor
[0:50] <traeak> sightlight: i think you should lead the effort for a windows port to the rpi
[0:50] <sightlight> s
[0:50] <cornet> haha
[0:50] <emusan> lol
[0:50] <traeak> i bet reactos could be ported
[0:50] <sightlight> i know im always with the same subjet
[0:50] <traeak> hehe
[0:50] <sightlight> reactos?
[0:50] <emusan> just port qemu :P
[0:50] <victhor> I suggest you stop thinking of it. It will be far too slow to be useable.
[0:50] <victhor> especially for games
[0:51] <emusan> pfff speed
[0:51] <emusan> you don't use windows for it's efficiency
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[0:51] <cornet> victhor: s/games/anything/ ... apart from maybe "hello world"
[0:51] <victhor> even hello world...
[0:51] <victhor> I remember running windows xp on kqemu a loooong time ago, I guess 2006 or so.
[0:52] <sightlight> qemu emulates x86?
[0:52] <victhor> it was slooooooow. I barely managed to get XP to install, and that was in a Athlon XP.
[0:52] <traeak> somethign like that
[0:52] <victhor> 2 GHz
[0:52] <emusan> sightlight: yesh
[0:52] <cornet> they should do a RasberryPi MOS version
[0:52] <victhor> kqemu is faster than qemu iirc.
[0:52] <cornet> (moon on a stick)
[0:52] <emusan> there was a psp qemu port iirc
[0:52] <emusan> could even boot windows 3.1 I think
[0:52] <emusan> after a few minutes
[0:53] <victhor> but only works for emulating the same architecture. You can't use kqemu on ARM (if it exists) to emulate x86, and it would be too slow anyway
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[0:54] <sightlight> well i think i heard in the forums that qemu worked on the raspberry pi
[0:54] <victhor> working != being usable
[0:54] <cornet> and i suspect you read that people were using qemu to emulate raspberry pi
[0:54] <sightlight> is it a port?
[0:54] <victhor> I wouldn't doubt it working. But I think it would take a hour to execute a "hello world" in x86 assembler.
[0:54] <cornet> yer
[0:55] <sightlight> they cant improve it?
[0:55] <sightlight> i mean...
[0:55] <emusan> not enough to make it useable
[0:55] <victhor> the processor is too slow
[0:55] <sightlight> damn..
[0:55] <cornet> there is only so many hamsters you can cram into a credit card
[0:55] <sightlight> i mean
[0:55] <sightlight> ]dang
[0:55] <emusan> if you /really/ want windows, you could do a remote desktop type thing
[0:56] <sightlight> man
[0:56] <emusan> just get a dedicated windows box and use the rpi to log into it
[0:56] <emusan> that's about your only real option
[0:56] <sightlight> I did knew this procesor was sooo slow.......
[0:56] <emusan> its not really slow
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[0:56] <emusan> just emulating a whole architecture is very hard to do
[0:56] <victhor> you are just expecting too much from it
[0:56] <traeak> d00dz can i like get osx to like run on teh rpi d00dz ?
[0:56] <emusan> it ran on the psp
[0:56] <victhor> use a ppc emulator lol :P
[0:56] <emusan> took only like 10 mins to boot or something :P
[0:56] <cornet> traeak: shuttit you
[0:57] <emusan> I wont be happy until I have a native vista port!
[0:57] <traeak> nah man, windows ME is da bomb
[0:57] <ratxue> guy called dave small let you run macos on the atari st back in the day
[0:57] <_inc> can atari os run on RPi? :P
[0:58] <emusan> oooh
[0:58] <emusan> I want Amiga!
[0:58] <cornet> workbench
[0:59] <_inc> i was thinking of replicating a 80s gen OS for an "Raspberry Pi in a keyboard" approach
[0:59] <emusan> but really, traeak, are you thinking of haiku?
[0:59] <_inc> I can't bring myself to gut a classic machine for such a case though
[0:59] <traeak> emusan: i'm more intellectually interested in plan9 honestly
[0:59] <emusan> never heard of it...
[1:00] <emusan> oooh, looks nice
[1:00] <ratxue> Inferno runs arm
[1:00] <cornet> shame qnx went closed source
[1:01] <sightlight> so qemu is ported?
[1:01] <sightlight> or compiled?
[1:01] <sightlight> for arm
[1:01] <cornet> doubt it, could be wrong
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[1:04] <emusan> how hard would it be to interface the rpi with a really old laptop screen?
[1:04] <cousteau> emusan, trying to revive a computer?
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[1:04] <hamitron> harder than a hdmi tv
[1:05] <emusan> maybe
[1:05] <hamitron> ;)
[1:05] <emusan> I've got a really old laptop running win95, but I can't get it to boot anything...
[1:05] <emusan> I figure if I gut it I could easily fit an rpi+tons of other stuff lol
[1:07] <_inc> emusan: I was reading on this lastnight. apparently some of the old laptop screens accepted VGA signals, but you have to solder the relevant VGA cable pin to its equvelent on the LCD ribbon cable (which is hard)
[1:07] <emusan> hmm...
[1:07] <emusan> this one is probably old enough lol
[1:07] <emusan> but I don't have it here with me :(
[1:07] <_inc> on newer laptops, there is some sorta sstandard. I read there was a $60 converter but i couldnt see it due to deadlink
[1:08] <victhor> the problem with interfacing those LCDs is that the interfaces available require a awkward amount of conversions
[1:08] <cousteau> emusan, not even slitaz?
[1:08] <emusan> slitaz?
[1:09] <emusan> well it wouldn't boot from cd...
[1:09] <emusan> I might have maybe been able to get it to boot from serial or something
[1:09] <emusan> but I've never done anything like that before
[1:09] * cornet will be using RCA as have nothing that accepts hdmi
[1:09] <_inc> emusan: i believe i read a couple of informing posts on the forum actually
[1:09] <emusan> I was thinking of taking out the HDD then using an adapter to connect it to a normal compy then installing something on that...
[1:09] <emusan> but that's too much imo
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[1:10] <emusan> lol if I could actually get a laptop from the 90's to support hdmi that would be amazing
[1:11] <_inc> emusan: LVDS is the standard i was on about
[1:11] <_inc> emusan: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/lvds-boards-for-laptop-screen?value=laptop&type=1&include=3&search=1&ret=all
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[1:11] <emusan> oooh thanks
[1:11] <emusan> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/lvds-boards-for-laptop-screen?value=laptop&type=1&include=3&search=1&ret=all
[1:11] <emusan> oops
[1:12] <hamitron> emusan, no floppy drive?
[1:12] <emusan> not in the laptop, and I only own one that's full size desktop IDE...
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[1:15] <victhor> LVDS is easy, only 1 IC to convert the LCD output of the pi into a LVDS signal
[1:15] <emusan> oooh
[1:16] <victhor> the one I saw however, had a relatively low maximum resolution supported and came in a BGA package
[1:16] <emusan> ouch...
[1:16] <emusan> well...
[1:16] <emusan> I think my school has a decent reflow oven...
[1:16] <emusan> so BGA isn't the worst...
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[1:16] <emusan> you wouldn't happen to have a link would you?
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[1:17] <victhor> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toshiba.com%2Ftaec%2Fcomponents%2FProdBrief%2F10E03_TC358764_5_ProdBrief.pdf&ei=3r0UT_XfK9SHtweQ_6gt&usg=AFQjCNFg7Oc5nl9YYf5umv7v5opl_ESt5w&sig2=7tkx45hRGW3nfWjYu9ce7g
[1:17] <victhor> argh I forgot that pasting links from google isn't a good idea
[1:18] <victhor> http://www.toshiba-components.com/mobile/data/Toshiba_TC358764_65XBGA.pdf
[1:18] <victhor> there you go.
[1:18] <emusan> th
[1:18] <emusan> x
[1:18] <_inc> victhor: so i guess that the difficulty comes in powering the display panel then?
[1:19] <victhor> oh the max res on that one is 1920x1200x18. I thought it was 1024x768... I must have been thinking of something else
[1:19] <victhor> _inc, I guess so...
[1:19] <emusan> yeah, this thing is nice lol
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[1:21] <victhor> this is the product page http://www.toshiba-components.com/mobile/displaybridgehub.html
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[1:42] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[2:23] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[2:30] <traeak> !w
[2:30] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Jan 16 20:13:00 2012. Temp 23??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 86%, Later 36??F - 9??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:30] <traeak> ttg
[2:30] <traeak> have fun boyz
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[2:30] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[2:30] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 17??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 63%.
[2:31] <tntexplosivesltd> yay summer
[2:31] <emusan> lol
[2:31] <tntexplosivesltd> so that's like 62.2 in the old measurements
[2:32] <emusan> yer
[2:32] <emusan> not bad...
[2:32] <emusan> !w
[2:32] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Tue Jan 17 00:54:00 2012. Temp 275K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 59%, Later 34??F - 31??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:32] <emusan> mine's better :P
[2:32] <tntexplosivesltd> wow 2??C
[2:32] <LiENUS> ~w
[2:32] <tntexplosivesltd> that's cold
[2:32] <LiENUS> !w
[2:32] <PiBot> LiENUS: in Norman, NC on Tue Jan 17 00:55:00 2012. Temp 280K. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 49??F - 38??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:32] <emusan> it should be colder!
[2:32] <LiENUS> !w 70739
[2:33] <PiBot> LiENUS: in Greenwell Springs, LA on Tue Jan 17 00:53:00 2012. Temp 293K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 76%, Later 74??F - 58??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[2:33] <LiENUS> im not in normon, nc lol
[2:33] <emusan> I went to syracuse for the snow
[2:33] <emusan> but we've got almost none
[2:33] <hamitron> !w
[2:33] <PiBot> hamitron: in Norman, NC on Tue Jan 17 00:55:00 2012. Temp 280K. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 49??F - 38??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:33] <LiENUS> 293k?
[2:33] <LiENUS> wtf
[2:33] <LiENUS> in nglilshplox
[2:33] <emusan> false advertising imo
[2:33] <emusan> ~34 f
[2:33] <tntexplosivesltd> that means nothing to me
[2:33] <emusan> or maybe 36
[2:33] <emusan> uhh...
[2:33] <emusan> what do you want it to be?
[2:33] <tntexplosivesltd> use the proper measurements
[2:34] <emusan> kelvin is proper lol
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[2:34] <hamitron> there is no such thing as a "proper" unit ;)
[2:34] <emusan> there are standards though
[2:35] <tntexplosivesltd> ??K or ??C
[2:35] <tntexplosivesltd> a either of those are acceptable
[2:35] <hamitron> I bet more people use F than K
[2:35] <hamitron> :)
[2:35] <tntexplosivesltd> because they actually make sense
[2:35] <emusan> not in the science community
[2:35] <emusan> where it matters
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> and I doubt it
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> all of asia ise C
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> * use
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> and europe
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> seriously, americans> There are hardly any of you
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> not that you'd notice
[2:36] <emusan> he said more K than f though...
[2:36] <emusan> not C
[2:36] * hamitron uses F
[2:36] <emusan> obviously more C
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> Olol
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[2:37] <hamitron> emusan, glad someone noticed :)
[2:37] <LiENUS> funny thing is only america uses the metric clock and calendar
[2:37] <emusan> metric clock?
[2:37] <LiENUS> bb in 5 milliharns
[2:38] <LiENUS> sry centiharns
[2:38] <emusan> wtf...
[2:38] <emusan> never heard of it lol
[2:38] <LiENUS> you american?
[2:38] <hamitron> we should just use the Sun imo
[2:38] <emusan> I'm american...
[2:38] <hamitron> shorter days when it gets cold ;)
[2:38] <_inc> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/17/0014220/raspberry-pi-25-linux-computer-now-in-production-video
[2:38] <_inc> Summary: Batch #1 manufactured and being shipped back from china for pre-sale prep
[2:38] <LiENUS> hamitron,cos the sun is lazy
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> there is no metric clock...
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> the sun isn't a very good keeper of time if you want to be exact
[2:39] <hamitron> exact to what?
[2:39] <hamitron> :/
[2:39] <LiENUS> exact to the sun
[2:39] <emusan> tiny bits of seconds
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want to account for every millisecond
[2:39] <hamitron> probably not great for telling what hour..... in the UK ;)
[2:39] <emusan> what about nanosecond?
[2:39] <emusan> or picosecond?
[2:39] <emusan> you need atomic for those...
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[2:40] <hamitron> honestly, someone has never complained I am so many nanosecond late
[2:40] <hamitron> ;/
[2:40] <emusan> you need better friends :P
[2:41] <emusan> friends don't let friends be nanoseconds late
[2:41] <hamitron> :)
[2:41] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm not often late. But when I am, it's by just a few nanoseconds
[2:42] <emusan> a wizard is never late ;)
[2:42] <tntexplosivesltd> he arrives precisely when he means to
[2:42] <hamitron> I think my unit of time for work late is days, tbh
[2:42] <victhor> guess I'll be having my NAS soon enough :)
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[2:56] <acfrazier> Today, the Wikipedia community has decided to black out the English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC on Wednesday, January 18.
[2:56] <acfrazier> you know, the only person this hurts is end users like us.
[2:57] <acfrazier> which is why I am making an offline mirror of wikipedia as I speak.
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> yeaha
[2:57] <acfrazier> ~3 hours left
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> dumb
[2:57] <acfrazier> to download.
[2:57] <acfrazier> lol
[2:58] <emusan> it raises awareness...
[2:58] <_inc> oh brilliant. this is going to go down well with us british students studying for exams
[2:59] <emusan> which imo is better for everyone...
[3:02] <_inc> why is this still hapenning? i heard the sopa bill was shot down?
[3:03] <emusan> still pipa... but yea
[3:05] <Hideki> people studied for exams before wikipedia
[3:05] <Hideki> and you shouldn't be using wikipedia as a primary source anyway
[3:06] <emusan> that too
[3:06] <_inc> but its good to get the tidbits to of information to look further into
[3:07] <tntexplosivesltd> use encarta?
[3:07] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[3:07] <_inc> Wikipedia supplemented with Library books are such a cost effective way of studying
[3:12] <emusan> what are you studying?
[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> Ima say trombone
[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> or another vrass instrument
[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> * brass
[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> as a tertiary course
[3:13] <_inc> emusan: computer science
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> ckise
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> * close
[3:13] <emusan> lol
[3:17] <victhor> note to self: do not attempt to kill the deal on a $35 computer by designing large amounts of unnecessary expansion boards
[3:17] <emusan> lol
[3:18] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[3:18] <tntexplosivesltd> ima make my own
[3:18] <emusan> just do one "Mega expansion board"
[3:18] <emusan> imma proly make one tooz
[3:18] <tntexplosivesltd> one $3000 board that does EVERYTHING
[3:18] <emusan> lol
[3:18] <victhor> I mean, the RTC board I wanted to build would come cheap. But then I decided to add a temperature sensor...
[3:19] <emusan> includes an i7 processor
[3:19] <victhor> ...and later even one that took a barrel jack input and provided a 5V regulated output, plus a 4 cell NiMH battery charger
[3:19] <victhor> even a ic for measuring charge level...
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[3:19] <emusan> nice
[3:20] <victhor> it's all on my cad software, I did send the first board with the RTC to be manufactured, though]
[3:21] <victhor> since I actually needed the rtc
[3:23] <victhor> actually the ones with the batteries were designed after I found 8 similar NiMH AA cells around my parts box, along with 2 battery holders for 4 batteries each.
[3:23] <emusan> what cad software do you use?
[3:23] <victhor> eagle
[3:23] <emusan> ah
[3:23] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[3:24] <victhor> I thought "I don't want to throw these away, let's find a excuse to use them" I eventually found one...
[3:24] <emusan> tntexplosivesltd: what do you use?
[3:24] <tntexplosivesltd> *cough* Altium *cough*
[3:24] <tntexplosivesltd> I... found it.....
[3:25] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[3:25] <emusan> lol
[3:25] <tntexplosivesltd> <.<
[3:25] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[3:25] <victhor> like most people I know have photoshop? ;)
[3:26] <tntexplosivesltd> yea lol
[3:26] <tntexplosivesltd> like that
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[3:51] <mrdragons> Dayum, the FAQs page is 31 megabytes. 0_o
[3:51] <emusan> for rpi?
[3:52] <mrdragons> Yeah
[3:52] <emusan> wowzers
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[3:53] <mrdragons> Hm, wait, no, 2MB
[3:53] <mrdragons> I did some math wrong. :P
[3:53] <emusan> more reasonable lol
[4:02] <sightlight> hey guys
[4:02] <emusan> hiya
[4:02] <sightlight> linux is not derectX, is Open GL right?
[4:02] <emusan> linux doesn't have to use either...
[4:03] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[4:03] <emusan> lol tnt
[4:04] <sightlight> what d you mean linux doesnt have to use eaiter?
[4:04] <emusan> they're graphics libraries...
[4:04] <tntexplosivesltd> it doesn;t need any graphics libs
[4:05] <emusan> I mean if you were programming a game for linux you would use opengl most likley, but you don't even have to do that
[4:06] <sightlight> if linux doesnt need it then why didi the even make them for linux
[4:06] <emusan> but why are you asking anyway?
[4:06] <emusan> just because it doesn't /need/ it doesn't mean that it doesn't help if you have something graphically intensive
[4:06] <emusan> opengl will make better use of your hardware than most other things
[4:06] <emusan> but it's entirely unnecessary for most stuff asside from games...
[4:06] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[4:07] <tntexplosivesltd> (??????????????????? ?????????
[4:08] <emusan> does FF require opengl?
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[4:08] <emusan> lol I might not even have it installed then...
[4:08] <emusan> hmm...
[4:08] <sightlight> FF?
[4:08] <emusan> firefox
[4:08] <emusan> generally
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: why are you asking? What are you trying to do
[4:08] <emusan> or friendly fire
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> or final fantasy
[4:09] <emusan> ah true
[4:09] <tntexplosivesltd> although that's normally followed by a number
[4:09] <emusan> yea
[4:09] <emusan> FFIX = bestest
[4:09] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm
[4:09] <tntexplosivesltd> then they made a movie ._.
[4:10] <emusan> not of 9 :(
[4:10] <tntexplosivesltd> the movie was horrible
[4:10] <tntexplosivesltd> like, really bad
[4:10] <emusan> I actually haven't seen the whole thing
[4:10] <emusan> and I don't plan on it either
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[4:11] <tntexplosivesltd> I couldn't
[4:11] <sightlight> Direct X 12 still not release yet
[4:11] <emusan> I don't really like most FF stuff or jrpg's in general...
[4:11] <emusan> sightlight: nope... might be awhile before that happens
[4:11] <mrdragons> Ew, directX is gross
[4:11] <emusan> isn't it for win8?
[4:11] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[4:11] <sightlight> why you say so emu?
[4:12] <emusan> why would they release it for win7 when they could make more money forcing people to upgrade?
[4:12] <emusan> same with dx10/vista
[4:12] <emusan> but I don't really keep up with M$ stuff
[4:12] <sightlight> windows 8/X12?
[4:12] <mrdragons> I don't see a lot of gamers willingly or happily switching to w8 judging the reactions to the dev preview...
[4:13] <tntexplosivesltd> yea it's pretty bad
[4:13] <victhor> windows 8 = giant zune
[4:13] <emusan> but it's a dev preview...
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[4:13] <victhor> I don't get it
[4:13] <emusan> I haven't really seen it yet though...
[4:13] <emusan> but gamers are for the most part quite dumb...
[4:14] <emusan> look at the money they spend on preconfigured PC's...
[4:14] <emusan> there's a reason alienware is still around
[4:14] <tntexplosivesltd> hahaha yeah
[4:14] <victhor> no... they want the green lights
[4:14] <mrdragons> True
[4:14] <victhor> not the hardware.
[4:14] <tntexplosivesltd> idiots!
[4:14] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[4:14] <victhor> $5 in digikey and you can make your own...
[4:14] <emusan> I had an old alienware case that I got for $20
[4:14] <tntexplosivesltd> inb4 sightlight has an alienware
[4:14] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[4:15] <mrdragons> Be nice. >_>
[4:15] <sightlight> WHAT IS INB4?
[4:15] <emusan> came with lights and had a 500W power supply
[4:15] <sightlight> caps off
[4:15] <emusan> in before
[4:15] <victhor> I know people who want alienware computers just because they have green lights and all the funky stuff.
[4:15] <tntexplosivesltd> read it out lol
[4:15] <victhor> the guy knows it's overpriced, but he likes the looks. :P
[4:15] <tntexplosivesltd> victhor: cleanse them with fire
[4:15] <emusan> yeah, but you can get the same looks with customs too
[4:15] <tntexplosivesltd> the people I mean
[4:15] <emusan> lol
[4:15] <victhor> my computer is under the desk, I don't even bother lol.
[4:15] <mrdragons> That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, buying a computer for the looks
[4:15] <emusan> my computer is a laptop
[4:16] <emusan> mrdragons: lol apple
[4:16] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
[4:16] <mrdragons> At least apple makes a decent (al beit incredibly overpriced and limited) product
[4:16] <emusan> yeah...
[4:16] <emusan> they're nicely built
[4:16] <mrdragons> You can make anything from alienware exponetially cheaper
[4:17] <victhor> do pc laptops still come with expresscard slots?
[4:17] <tntexplosivesltd> then it breaks and you pay through the urethra to fix it
[4:17] <sightlight> the higher the open GL is the better it emulates Direct X ?
[4:17] <emusan> victhor: no
[4:17] <emusan> not that I know of
[4:17] <victhor> thought so. too bad
[4:17] <victhor> mine came with none. Only a SD card reader
[4:17] <emusan> sightlight: openGL isn't a DX emulator...
[4:17] <emusan> that's absurd...
[4:17] <victhor> last time I saw one it was a crappy /34 slot
[4:17] <emusan> mine has a "multicard reader"
[4:17] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: it doesn't emulate DX... I just...
[4:17] <sightlight> wine does that emu.
[4:17] <emusan> it does SD and MC
[4:17] <emusan> sightlight: opengl != wine
[4:18] <emusan> *facepalm*
[4:18] <emusan> lol
[4:18] <emusan> sorry, had to a bit there...
[4:18] <tntexplosivesltd> ????????? ???( ?? _ ?????) Calm down bro
[4:18] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[4:18] <victhor> uh linux was not developed as a windows compatible os
[4:18] <emusan> and WINE doesn't emulate it either...
[4:18] <tntexplosivesltd> look you're turning into me =D
[4:18] <mrdragons> Wine is not an emulator. :P
[4:18] <emusan> WINE Is Not an Emulator :P
[4:18] <emusan> ninj'd
[4:18] <emusan> tntexplosivesltd: little bit lol
[4:19] <mrdragons> Recursive names ftw
[4:19] <tntexplosivesltd> hooray cynacism
[4:19] <sightlight> what matter in a video card then?
[4:19] <emusan> bits
[4:19] <tntexplosivesltd> elaborate
[4:19] <emusan> little tiny bits
[4:19] <emusan> 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
[4:19] <tntexplosivesltd> matter is everything
[4:19] <emusan> that's crysis
[4:19] <mrdragons> Except light
[4:19] <tntexplosivesltd> it is what we are made of
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: true
[4:20] <emusan> vibrations are evertyhing
[4:20] <victhor> what matters in a video card.... that it's made by nvidia
[4:20] <emusan> it's what everything's made of :P
[4:20] <emusan> hey!
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> victhor: =D
[4:20] <victhor> sorry ati fanboys but I never had luck with ati :/
[4:20] <emusan> I <3 ATI
[4:20] <emusan> I never had luck with nvidia
[4:20] <victhor> fglrx never worked right
[4:20] <emusan> and I <3 AMD
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> catalyst says hi from the ghetto
[4:20] <emusan> tri-core FTW!
[4:20] * victhor has a x4...
[4:20] <victhor> :P
[4:21] * emusan has 3 cores of POWA
[4:21] <victhor> with nvidia
[4:21] <victhor> :P
[4:21] <victhor> kind of a stupid system. nforce 430 chipset from ages ago, with a athlon II x4 and generic RAM
[4:21] <emusan> sightlight: so why do you wanna know about graphics libraries anyway?
[4:21] <emusan> mine's a nice new system...
[4:21] <emusan> new-ish
[4:22] <emusan> Radeon m5650
[4:22] <emusan> Phenom x3
[4:22] <tntexplosivesltd> hahaha amd
[4:22] <sightlight> thinking about a whole new system instead of a PI.
[4:22] <sightlight> but I dont know
[4:22] <victhor> you can't compare the two
[4:22] <sightlight> I dont think I really need one
[4:22] <emusan> new system?
[4:23] <tntexplosivesltd> you're probably bot the best person...
[4:23] <victhor> if you want to game buy a pc or a console.
[4:23] <sightlight> thogh what I have right now is a netook GMA 500
[4:23] <victhor> if you want to do something that doesn't require a powerful computer, then a pi is okay
[4:23] <emusan> if you wanna browse the web and do daily stuff rpi should be great
[4:23] <emusan> but it wont run crysis
[4:23] <Hideki> or make a very power efficient wearable computer
[4:23] <emusan> should play zork just fine though :P
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing should run crysis
[4:24] <mrdragons> Hey, MUDs are cool. :P
[4:24] <Hideki> everything from and including the altair can play zork -.o
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[4:24] <emusan> I gotta get into those
[4:24] <emusan> anyone play LORD?
[4:24] <Hideki> telnet elephant.org
[4:24] <mrdragons> Port 80?
[4:24] <Hideki> yes, but not for some time
[4:24] <Hideki> port 23
[4:24] <emusan> <3 LORD
[4:25] <Hideki> mud I used to play years ago
[4:25] <Hideki> think it's still there
[4:25] <emusan> brb... floor meeting :(
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[4:25] <tntexplosivesltd> afk ceiling meeting...
[4:25] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[4:25] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[4:29] <tntexplosivesltd> afk going home
[4:33] <sightlight> raspberrypi
[4:33] <sightlight> do you guys know of an extreme powwer eficient PSU?
[4:33] <Hideki> switchmode are pretty power efficient as a rule
[4:33] <Hideki> and most of them are that now
[4:34] <Hideki> I assume the pi doesn't come with one (or an SD card) but it has a regulator on board so will probably be pretty forgiving
[4:34] <piofcube> Hell... 4 hours of trying to work out why 2 motherboards decided to die at the same time... Turns out it was a faulty monitor LMAO
[4:35] <sightlight> i mean for desktops PC
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt there's really much difference between different atx power supplies
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> despite what it says on the box
[4:35] <victhor> there is...
[4:35] <sightlight> the all drain power like heck right?
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> why would there be?
[4:36] <victhor> a $20 PSU won't perform nearly as good as a $50 one
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> no, they are actually pretty well designed
[4:36] <victhor> uh nope.
[4:36] <sightlight> hey guys
[4:36] <victhor> some are so bad, you'd be impressed.
[4:36] <sightlight> honestly
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah? you can make a cheap, more efficient one yourself?
[4:36] <victhor> I meant the $20 ones
[4:36] <sightlight> is there a PSU that doesnt raise the power bill?
[4:37] <sightlight> I ditch my rig because of that
[4:37] <victhor> impossible
[4:37] <piofcube> yes.. one that's plugged into next door ;-)
[4:37] <victhor> hahaha
[4:37] <sightlight> ok
[4:37] <victhor> they are extremely badly designed if you compare them to the more expensive ones.
[4:37] <sightlight> so raspberry is efficient
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I am talking about mid-range known brand PSU, not no-name chinese copies.
[4:37] <victhor> oh. these are well designed
[4:37] <victhor> thought you meant all of them,literally
[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh nuh, I have had enough pain with cheap PSUs to know otherwise
[4:38] <victhor> me too lol
[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> though I think it's mostly cheap capacitors at fault
[4:38] <mrdragons> raspberry is basically a cell phone chip, so it's very low power
[4:38] <Hideki> heh
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[4:38] <victhor> well except perhaps for seventeam and cooler master... they slip around quite a lot apparently
[4:38] <piofcube> I have seen some good brands which have very bad output... seesawing on the 5v rail... bouncing between -1 and +8v
[4:38] <Hideki> holy shit
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ahm.... that wouldn't work...
[4:39] <Hideki> very bad seems to be something of an understatement
[4:39] <sightlight> im poor so i have to stick low power cosumtion
[4:39] <piofcube> That was brand new also.. fresh out the box... I was... erm annoyed
[4:39] <victhor> "low power consumption" and "gaming" umm... get a wii lol
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> faulty hardware covered by warranty or what?
[4:40] <piofcube> Got a replacement and the exact same fault... got money back no problem
[4:40] <sightlight> :/
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> annoying
[4:40] <Hideki> I've seen some evilness from cheap psus but nothing like that
[4:41] <Hideki> 12v hitting more than 13 etc.
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> meh, components have a few volts tolerance (or should) anyway.
[4:41] <sightlight> nvidia egra
[4:41] <sightlight> tegra
[4:41] <sightlight> low poer :)
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> especially at 12v, really shouldn't matter.
[4:42] <victhor> I used to have this "450W" cheap ass PSU, then I bought a new antec one, 500W, because that cheap PSU was almost failing completely and I didn't want to lose my computer to it
[4:42] <Hideki> well, I think the rule of thumb is usually +/-10%
[4:42] <victhor> the new PSU weighs a lot more... maybe twice as much lol.
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but also many 5v components are designed to work at 3.3v and vice-versa (though they wouldn't put it in a datasheet, obviously)
[4:43] <victhor> sightlight, I don't think any of these will be a considerable improvement over your netbook
[4:44] <sightlight> I know
[4:44] <sightlight> i have t stick with raspberrypi eh?
[4:44] <victhor> it is not meant for gaming
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[4:45] <sightlight> I know
[4:45] <sightlight> there are plenty open source FPS games that look nice on linux
[4:45] <sightlight> ETXreal is one of them
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, there are plenty of different kinds of games which are great.... but most of them will suck on the raspi.
[4:47] <sightlight> graphics could be lowered
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> to 'off'
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[4:48] <mrdragons> I think it'll be best to let him see for himself
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but he's not the only one... imagine how many people expect the pi to be a replacement workstation or gaming rig =/
[4:49] <sightlight> I understand
[4:50] <sightlight> there are many people tthinking the raspberrypi gpu is eseptional
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> it is
[4:51] <mrdragons> It'll play qauke and 2d games and stuff just fine
[4:51] <mrdragons> I'm pretty sure at least
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[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> it's the CPU, RAM and disk IO which I would be worried about.
[4:52] <sightlight> logical data transfer
[4:54] <mrdragons> The disk io speeds are going to be the main killer methinks
[4:55] <mrdragons> Like if you've tried live distros off a USB drive, it would be even slower than that
[4:56] <mrdragons> Dare I say maybe CD-like speeds
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I think live distros work great off USB... they're good at utilizing RAM... unfortunatly there's not much RAM to utilize on raspberry pi.
[4:57] <rm> okay so the GPU has 4 MB of RAM
[4:57] <mrdragons> It's slower than running off a disk, but not bad
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> rm, what do you mean by 'has'?
[4:57] <rm> looks like we are not getting 32-bit color on high resolutions
[4:58] <rm> ShiftPlusOne, in the Raspberry Pi the GPU seems to have 4 MB of dedicated video RAM
[4:58] <ShiftPlusOne> built into the chip or is that what it's using for the main buffer (or whatever it's called)?
[4:58] <rm> or maybe it chops off 4MB of the main RAM; http://pastebin.com/xpj2mYpw
[4:58] <rm> still 4 only
[4:59] <rm> I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 built into the GPU chip
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> It will chop off a lot more than 4, but I guess 4 is used for the actual framebuffer (or whatever).
[4:59] <rm> e.g. an SMI712 video chip used in laptops has the same 4 MB built right into it
[5:00] <emusan> /back
[5:00] <emusan> oops
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the 4mb is just for the framebuffer
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> but as far as 32-bit color goes, most monitors lie and don't display 32-bit anyway... because they're jerks
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[5:05] <Hideki> 24 bit colour
[5:06] <Hideki> afaik, only specialised hardware does more than that
[5:06] <Hideki> it's 32 bit for convenience, onyl 24 are used for colour information as a rule
[5:06] <Hideki> the other 8 being either unused or used for alpha channel data depending on the application
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[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds about right
[5:07] <rm> it's sad
[5:07] <rm> because you can clearly tell between 16 and 32-bit
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're looking at undithered grayscale, it's hard to tell though
[5:07] <rm> on photos
[5:08] <Hideki> 16 bit is noticably bad, heh, on monitors, never seen it on papre but I imagine it'd be worse
[5:08] <rm> I don't mean photos of friends and family, stuff like http://interfacelift.com/
[5:08] <Hideki> soem LCD monitors do only 18 bit (262,144 colours), 6 bits per channel
[5:09] <rm> Hideki, and the gamut (the right term?) means it's more like something "5-7-5" :)
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[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> psh.... HDR photography is just cheating
[5:09] <Hideki> I'm not exactly sure, 16 bit is often 565 rather than 555
[5:10] <Hideki> although most of the information is in the green channel for some reason
[5:10] <Hideki> that's why component video works the way it does
[5:11] <Hideki> (not exactly sure but I think it sends intensity, red and blue and the device extracts the green from that, to save on bandwidth)
[5:12] <emusan> has more for green because of human eye...
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[5:12] <Hideki> ahh
[5:12] <emusan> we have more sensitivity to it...
[5:13] <rm> a palette of 15 shades: seven colours at two levels of brightness each, plus black.[9] The image resolution is 256??192... To conserve memory, colour is stored separate from the pixel bitmap in a low resolution, 32??24 grid overlay, corresponding to the character cells.
[5:13] <rm> :)
[5:14] <sightlight> Hey guys
[5:14] <rm> that's how ZX Spectrum did it, remembered that from the colors discussion
[5:14] <sightlight> to port XONOTIC to the raspberry pi, I just need to grad the source and compile it in a ARM procecor?
[5:15] <emusan> if you're lucky...
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[5:16] <emusan> that's assuming that you have all the libraries, etc. built for arm as well and installed...
[5:16] <emusan> among other things
[5:17] <rm> Xonotic is a fork of Nexuiz
[5:17] <emusan> oh
[5:17] <rm> a top-end 3D shooter
[5:17] <emusan> then there is already an arm port lol
[5:18] <rm> I doubt it uses OpenGL ES
[5:18] <emusan> it runs on n900...
[5:18] <emusan> at least nexuiz does...
[5:18] <emusan> runs fine...
[5:18] <rm> oh then maybe it can...
[5:18] <sightlight> whaut?
[5:19] <mrdragons> The graphics aren't a ton better than qauke 3, I'd expect it to play
[5:19] <emusan> open arena on n900 is awesome
[5:19] <sightlight> xonotic doesnt need compilation?
[5:19] <emusan> particularly the controls
[5:19] <emusan> well you /could/ compile it
[5:19] <emusan> but someone else has probably done it for you
[5:19] <emusan> don't reinvent the wheel
[5:19] <mrdragons> I hate when people say that
[5:20] <emusan> :)
[5:20] <emusan> it's true though
[5:20] <emusan> have you ever worked with things like mecannums?
[5:20] <emusan> or omniwheels
[5:20] <emusan> no fun
[5:20] <sightlight> I could compile it strait into the arm platform and play?
[5:21] <sightlight> what about ETXreal?
[5:21] <sightlight> :)
[5:21] <emusan> why would you compile it?
[5:21] <emusan> iirc ETXreal wasn't complete...
[5:21] <emusan> or efficient...
[5:21] <emusan> but that might have changed
[5:21] <sightlight> real is still being developed
[5:21] <mrdragons> mecannums/omniwheels look pretty cool actually
[5:22] <emusan> well I haven't done too much with omniwheels...
[5:22] <emusan> they're probably not bad...
[5:22] <emusan> but mecannums are shite imo
[5:22] <emusan> it's a great concept...
[5:22] <emusan> but the little wheels remove pretty much any traction...
[5:23] <emusan> so unless you're on a nice thick carpet or a sticky floor it's not much more usefull...
[5:24] <emusan> and they're fiddly to assemble
[5:24] <mrdragons> That'd be pretty useful for moving things
[5:24] <mrdragons> Like furnature
[5:24] <emusan> I wouldn't trust a couch to them lol
[5:25] <emusan> a far better design is the one where the wheels can rotate
[5:25] <emusan> it takes a bit to switch from forward/backward to left/right but it's worth it
[5:26] <emusan> I don't remember what it's called though lol
[5:28] <mrdragons> But yeah, I hate that saying. It's so uncreative, and discourages trying to make anything better or different
[5:29] <mrdragons> Nothing evolves through distinct steps
[5:29] <emusan> well it depends on the circumstances...
[5:29] <emusan> if it's someone compiling something for arm that has already been compiled for arm there is no point
[5:29] <emusan> no innovation in that
[5:29] <emusan> just wasted time
[5:32] <emusan> you do much robotics work?
[5:32] <mrdragons> Nah, I'd like to though
[5:33] <emusan> I like doing it on my own sometimes...
[5:33] <emusan> but I did it on a team in highschool
[5:33] <emusan> wont make that mistake again lol
[5:34] <mrdragons> Was it that bad?
[5:35] <emusan> in some respects...
[5:35] <emusan> might have just been that team though...
[5:35] <emusan> had a tendency to blame the programmer(me)
[5:35] <emusan> or the pneumatics guy(also me)
[5:35] <emusan> or the electronics guy(also me) lol
[5:35] <mrdragons> lol
[5:35] <emusan> 90% of the time it ended up being mechanical failure...
[5:36] <emusan> like chains falling off
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> working in teams is much better
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> you just have to make sure you have a good team and that there's a good leader
[5:36] <emusan> I guess it depends on the team really
[5:36] <emusan> yeah
[5:36] <emusan> oh gawd...
[5:37] <emusan> our leader was the worst
[5:37] <emusan> an EE turned salesman...
[5:37] <emusan> how is that even possible???
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[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> easy
[5:38] <emusan> he just wasn't a good EE?
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> salary for a EE to design something... about 60k... sallary for the sales guy to sell it.... twice as much
[5:39] <emusan> lol true
[5:39] <emusan> but EE's are supposed to be socially awkward...
[5:39] <emusan> salespeople not so much
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> not a hard choice really
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't seen that actually
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> well I am socially awkward, but other EE's don't seem to be, lol
[5:39] <emusan> lol
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> but I mostly hung out with the double degree students doing management as well, so maybe they're more 'well rounded' or whatever
[5:41] <emusan> probably...
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[5:48] <sightlight> how can I see if my computer is runing opengl?
[5:49] <emusan> uhm...
[5:49] <emusan> what are you running?
[5:49] <sightlight> ubuntu
[5:49] <emusan> if it's not a game then most likely not...
[5:49] <sightlight> 32-bt
[5:49] <emusan> still not getting what opengl is...
[5:49] <emusan> well actually...
[5:49] <emusan> does compiz use it?
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[5:49] <sightlight> idk
[5:50] <sightlight> isnt there a command to see like in the pi?
[5:50] <emusan> to see what?
[5:50] <djerome> sightlight, type this in a shell "glxinfo"
[5:51] <djerome> um, without the quotes...
[5:51] <emusan> he's still not getting what opengl is though...
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[5:51] <sightlight> I MEAN
[5:51] <sightlight> if it can run it and what ver
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[5:52] <sightlight> trust me
[5:52] <sightlight> i know
[5:52] <sightlight> i can understand my self
[5:52] <sightlight> my gpu driver for ubuntu are half finished
[5:52] <emusan> ???
[5:52] <sightlight> GMA 500 google =code (go search)
[5:53] <emusan> what do you mean by half finished?
[5:53] <emusan> and your gpu driver?
[5:53] <emusan> you're writing a gpu driver?
[5:53] <sightlight> no
[5:54] <sightlight> there is only one gpu driver for my GMA 500 for ubuntu
[5:54] <sightlight> and its not done well.
[5:54] <emusan> oh...
[5:54] <djerome> sightlight, on linux running on the pi you might get an opengl library working, but it won't have direct rendering (wont use the hardware)
[5:54] <sightlight> cant even run on my netbook xonotic...
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[5:56] <djerome> probably there will be a software rendering opengl library for the pi, or it should be too hard to get it running, but don't expect to use hardware acceleration
[5:56] <djerome> shouldn't be too hard ...
[5:56] <emusan> it supports OGLES though right?
[5:57] <djerome> emusan, i dun know.
[5:57] <emusan> yer it does...
[5:57] <emusan> so as long as your application/game supports that it should run decently...
[5:57] <emusan> within reason lol
[5:58] <djerome> hey sightlight, use google with somethign like "raspberry pi opengl"
[6:01] <sightlight> I would like to lay the next microsoft flight simulator Direct X12 on the raspberry i
[6:02] <emusan> you're joking now right?
[6:02] <sightlight> ye
[6:02] <emusan> thanks
[6:02] <sightlight> aha
[6:02] <djerome> actually, it looks like the ogles is direct rendering. probably the code isn't open cause i think the broadcom keeps the gpu spec proprietary
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[6:07] <sightlight> anyone know of a programing language+IDE GUI
[6:07] <sightlight> like gamemaker
[6:07] <sightlight> i dont know
[6:07] <mrdragons> vim
[6:07] <emusan> you mean a graphical programming language?
[6:07] <mrdragons> :P
[6:07] <sightlight> theyea
[6:07] <emusan> <3 me some vim
[6:07] <mrdragons> Never a fan, I just use nano
[6:07] <sightlight> yeayea
[6:07] <emusan> sightlight: I don't think you want vim lol
[6:08] <emusan> look up scratch
[6:08] <sightlight> what?
[6:08] <sightlight> dang it
[6:08] <emusan> but just learn a real progaramming language
[6:08] <sightlight> my PC sucks......
[6:08] <emusan> mrdragons: really prefer nano?
[6:08] <sightlight> gma graphics is worst that Intel
[6:08] <sightlight> wow
[6:08] <sightlight> intel is the musles compare to GMA
[6:09] <mrdragons> Yeah, heh
[6:09] <mrdragons> @emusan
[6:09] <emusan> sightlight: trust me, vim doesn't need a good gpu
[6:09] <emusan> or any at all
[6:09] <sightlight> VIM?
[6:09] <sightlight> whats that?
[6:09] <emusan> Vi Improved
[6:09] <emusan> it's a super-editor
[6:16] <djerome> bash+vim+make; xterm is the GUI being an X11 client that puts widgets in a window
[6:17] <emusan> ?
[6:18] <djerome> is anyone familiar with the fat file system layout that the pi boots?
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[6:18] <mrdragons> Yeah, it's a very common and ancient filesystem
[6:18] <mrdragons> Oh, you mean how the SD card would be partitioned?
[6:18] <djerome> i mean the files that are need by the pi to boot
[6:19] <djerome> that are in the fat file system
[6:19] <djerome> i have a sample and it is more complex that i expected
[6:19] <mrdragons> I'm not quite sure actually
[6:19] <djerome> err, ... than i expected
[6:20] <emusan> have a sample rpi?
[6:20] <mrdragons> I believe first is a fat partition for the binary blob for the gpu and the kernel, then filesystem .img
[6:20] <mrdragons> in another partition
[6:21] <mrdragons> Not .img, ignore that part
[6:21] <djerome> no, i have a sample sd image and the fat file system is more complex than i expected
[6:22] <emusan> ah
[6:22] <mrdragons> Not quite sure what you mean
[6:22] <mrdragons> where'd you get this image?
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[6:23] <djerome> i maintain ttylinux and i want to get it on the pi when they're available so i asked eben upton for it
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[6:24] <ctyler> djerome: ignore the FAT partition for the most part, and put your rootfs in the 2nd partition
[6:24] <mrdragons> No way? That's awesome.
[6:25] <djerome> yeah, well i need to built that fat partition from scratch for ttylinux
[6:25] <ctyler> djerome: you can't build it from scratch, there's no source released
[6:26] <djerome> i need to use the proprietary binaries as is
[6:26] <ctyler> basically the first partition is for the GPU + kernel.img
[6:26] <djerome> but i need to build the kernel and assemble the fat
[6:26] <djerome> file system
[6:27] <ctyler> ah, just build your kernel and drop it on top of kernel.img
[6:27] <ctyler> no other assembly required
[6:27] <djerome> it looks a little more complex. like why are the kernel modules in the fat?
[6:27] <rm> djerome, what exactly seems to be complex about the layout
[6:27] <rm> mkfs.vfat -F 16 (or 32)
[6:27] <djerome> and what is the vlls directory structure in the fat
[6:28] <rm> then copy files in the same directory structure as what you have
[6:28] <ctyler> djerome: the kernel modules are there only for convenience (you can copy or symlink them from the 2nd partition)
[6:28] <ctyler> djerome: the vlls directory is all GPU code
[6:28] <rm> modules only have to be in vfat if they are required to mount the 2nd partition (e.g. it has no initrd, and someone built ext4 as a module) afaik
[6:28] <djerome> i can't see why the kernel modules are there
[6:28] <sightlight> I have this crapy divers
[6:28] <sightlight> when the Pi comes otu
[6:28] <sightlight> and plays
[6:29] <rm> djerome, there isn't an initrd in FAT, right
[6:29] <sightlight> its goin g to be a rileves
[6:29] <ctyler> djerome: they don't need to be there, you can move them to the 2nd partition
[6:29] <djerome> nope, no initrd in the fat file system, but i dun think it is mounted by the kernel
[6:29] <ctyler> rm: those modules can't be loaded by the kernel before partition 2 is accessed.
[6:29] <sightlight> does linux as a linux compiler
[6:29] <sightlight> ?
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[6:30] <ctyler> sightlight: ?
[6:30] <sightlight> does linux has a C compiler(sorry)
[6:30] <djerome> sightlight, yes
[6:30] <ctyler> yes, gcc
[6:30] <mrdragons> Yep, a couple actually
[6:30] <sightlight> included?
[6:30] <mrdragons> Usually just gcc
[6:30] <sightlight> how do i test build?
[6:31] <emusan> test build what?
[6:31] <sightlight> test build to see that it has gcc
[6:31] <ctyler> sightlight: "included" in most distros, but whether it's installed or not depends on which parts of the distro are installed. Most distros use some sort of packaging system and let you install/remove packages.
[6:31] <emusan> just type gcc -v
[6:31] <emusan> in a terminal
[6:32] <sightlight> gccjoshua@joshua-AO751h:~$ gcc -c gcc: no input files joshua@joshua-AO751h:~$ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: i686-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zl
[6:32] <mrdragons> lol
[6:32] <emusan> thanks for that
[6:32] <emusan> very helpful...
[6:32] <sightlight> now,
[6:32] <sightlight> hoe do I compile C code?
[6:32] <emusan> gcc [file]
[6:32] <mrdragons> gcc -o outputfile outputfile.c
[6:32] <djerome> does anyone know if this boot loader can load an initrd and give its address to the kernel ?
[6:33] <ctyler> djerome: not the default one.
[6:33] <sightlight> is there a gui for gcc?
[6:33] <mrdragons> lolno
[6:33] <emusan> nop
[6:33] <emusan> it's not that hard...
[6:33] <djerome> ctyler, is there some other boot loader for the pi?
[6:33] <sightlight> why doesnt people do them
[6:33] <sightlight> its easy no?
[6:33] <emusan> because no one needs them...
[6:33] <emusan> I mean you could use a full IDE
[6:33] <rm> djerome, the firmware boot loader can load GRUB afaik
[6:33] <ctyler> sightlight: there's no need. However, most IDEs can run gcc.
[6:34] <rm> instead of just the kernel directly
[6:34] <emusan> but if all you're using an IDE for is as a gui for gcc that's a huge waste lol
[6:34] <djerome> sightlight, you can get eclipse and it provides an IDE that uses gcc ang the debugger gdb
[6:34] <sightlight> eclipce visual?
[6:34] * ctyler notes that Eclipse on raspi is problematic though
[6:34] <emusan> or just lrn2not need graphics
[6:35] <mrdragons> Hmm, eclipse can do C? I thought it was just java
[6:35] <mrdragons> Cool
[6:35] <ctyler> Eclipse does a boatload of languages
[6:35] <emusan> yer
[6:36] <rm> djerome, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Software#BootRom
[6:36] <emusan> sightlight: it will be very helpful for you in the future to just sit down and learn how to use the command line, trust me
[6:36] <mrdragons> Try pressing ctrl+alt+f1
[6:36] <emusan> don't doo itttt
[6:36] <emusan> lol
[6:36] <emusan> that's not kind
[6:36] <emusan> poor guy
[6:36] <mrdragons> What, it's just a tty. I use them all the time. :P
[6:37] <emusan> doesn't mean he can...
[6:37] <MartijnVdS> ttys!
[6:37] <djerome> rm, yes, i've seen that, thanks
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[6:46] <mrdragons> >_>
[6:46] <emusan> you think he did it?
[6:46] <mrdragons> I think so
[6:46] <emusan> lol
[6:51] <emusan> well I must be off to bed
[6:51] <emusan> got classes tomorrow :(
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[6:53] <MartijnVdS> but it's 7am!
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[7:30] <rm> so
[7:31] <rm> Raspberry Pi doesn't have an RTC
[7:31] <MartijnVdS> does it need one?
[7:31] <rm> I wonder does that mean it just doesn't keep time over power-off
[7:31] <MartijnVdS> I think it means that
[7:31] <rm> or that it can't keep time at all
[7:31] <MartijnVdS> it must have some kind of timing device or audio would be Hard??
[7:32] <rm> MartijnVdS, for one, there goes (many people's) idea of a custom alarm clock
[7:32] <MartijnVdS> rm: not as long as they keep it powered. Or have it ntp-sync on boot
[7:32] <rm> well, if it counts time ok while powered on
[7:32] <rm> yeah
[7:34] <piofcube> it could cause problems for some software. The time would be reset back to the default until the ntp daemon was run
[7:35] <MartijnVdS> Most mobile phones do this too
[7:35] <MartijnVdS> Take off battery -> need to reset time on startup
[7:36] <piofcube> True but the sofware on a phone knows that this would be a possibility... The typical app designed for the desktop isn't usually
[7:37] <MartijnVdS> piofcube: most apps on the desktop aren't started before the init sequence is done
[7:37] <MartijnVdS> make ntpdate part of the init sequence. done!
[7:37] <piofcube> I mean desktop PC... not GUI based application :-)
[7:37] <MartijnVdS> Most software I've seen copes fine
[7:37] <MartijnVdS> cron might skip a minute
[7:37] <MartijnVdS> a screensaver might be confused
[7:38] <piofcube> True most will be fine... Just some
[7:38] <MartijnVdS> but that's it really
[7:39] <piofcube> Some logs might be confusing LOL
[7:40] <piofcube> some cron jobs might fire twice within a short period instead of once but that shouldn't be a big problem
[7:40] <MartijnVdS> depends on the default state of the clock
[7:40] <MartijnVdS> if it's 01-01-2010 it's not as bad as 01-01-1980 ;)
[7:41] <piofcube> probs would be best to store the date/time in a text file every so often then as high up on the script list to set the time to that before the ntp daemon fires
[7:42] <piofcube> might be a good idea more so for model a
[7:43] <MartijnVdS> yeah those don't have network do they
[7:44] <piofcube> I will be adding a RTC to mine and as part of my initial tutorial videos
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[9:40] <hetii> could someone knows some good smal mainboard with ATOM ?
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[10:34] <Kostic> I heard that some people are doing educational material on programming... Can you give me link to their work? I want to start translating it...
[10:34] <Kostic> It is licenced under Creative Commons, right?
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[10:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> dunno , probbaly , maybe , only the foundation will know - nothing has been made public yet
[10:45] <Kostic> Then I will start translating beginner guides from python.org...
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[10:47] <rm> Raspberry Pi $25 Linux Computer Now In Production (Video)
[10:47] <rm> Posted by Roblimo on 2012-01-17 18:38
[10:47] <rm> that's from the future!!!11
[10:47] <rm> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/553
[10:47] <rm> well, or from Japan
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> rm: RPi is actually a time machine.
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> that was several hours ago man
[10:48] <rm> indeed
[10:48] <rm> in .nz I suppose it was
[10:48] <rm> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/17/0014220/raspberry-pi-25-linux-computer-now-in-production-video
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:49] <rm> question is, since when slashdot moved there :)
[10:49] <tntexplosivesltd> since I took them over >.>
[10:49] <tntexplosivesltd> <.<
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[10:55] <rm> the video doesn't load for me in Gnash
[10:55] <rm> also one couldn't view it on a Raspberry Pi
[10:55] <rm> how sad :)
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[11:09] <Davespice> good morning
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> Davespice: greetings
[11:10] <Kostic> good day... :D
[11:11] <Davespice> o/
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[11:17] <Davespice> did anyone watch the BBC Stargazing thing last night?
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[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Antoher interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=08kXiYQnfOY
[11:45] <Davespice> is that the slashdot one?
[11:45] <rm> no
[11:54] <Davespice> Looks like there is a new scammer, check it people: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/order-placed-very-excited
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[12:34] <Hideki> r pi scammers? what next
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[12:37] <MartijnVdS> Hideki: don't tell me it's unexpected...
[12:37] <Hideki> well, being a fairly cheap/niche item I didn't think anyone would bother
[12:37] <Davespice> Hideki there was a site in Russia doing it too, I think it was given a take down order
[12:37] <Hideki> ghods -.-
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[12:45] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[12:47] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Tue Jan 17 11:20:00 2012. Temp 1??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 43??F - 37??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[12:48] <victhor> how many people believe java is really as fast as c outside a handful of conditions?
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[13:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> ummm
[13:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Freeloader-Pro-Solar-Charger/dp/B002DMLKT8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1326801743&sr=8-8 <- would that power a rpi?
[13:11] <Davespice> Rattus, it would depend on the current output
[13:11] <Dagger3> # Li-ion rechargeable battery capacity: 1600mAh
[13:11] <Dagger3> # Solar cells: 200mA premium quality crystalline
[13:12] <Davespice> I'm not sure if that is it... you need to know the output to the device being charged
[13:12] <Dagger3> so, assuming it can power a micro-usb port: yes, but not continuously
[13:12] <Davespice> if that is 5v and 700 ma or higher it should work
[13:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> ok... looking for others .,.,,.
[13:14] <Davespice> it says it'll charge a blackberry, and blackberry chargers are exactly 5V 700ma... <shrug>
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[13:16] <Dagger3> it'll do 700 mA, but obviously only for ~2.3-3.2 hours
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[13:16] <Davespice> and as long as the sun is shining =)
[13:16] <Dagger3> (700 mA is probably not the right figure to use, but I don't think we've had any idle power consumption numbers yet)
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> Car battery? :)
[13:17] <Davespice> as far as I know that is what the Pi requires for it to provide power to downstream usb devices
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> I've seen 3-4W figures for the beta board
[13:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'll wait until I have got one [or 2] and then see if I can find something to run it ....
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> RaTTuS|BIG: 2 or 3 of these should be enough: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-power-panel-110-95mm-6v-200ma-18168
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> maybe 4 to be sure
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[13:56] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
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[14:27] <ahven> http://www.systemsofhull.co.uk/raspberry-model-p-261.html
[14:27] <ahven> hehe, scammers already know the release date :P
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[15:03] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[15:03] <IT_Sean> !w
[15:03] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue Jan 17 16:53:00 2012. Temp 35??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 96%, Later 43??F - 29??F. Condition: Rain.
[15:03] <PiBot> Wed: High 36??F Low 16??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[15:03] <PiBot> Thu: High 31??F Low 22??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[15:03] <PiBot> Fri: High 31??F Low 27??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
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[15:27] <IT_Sean> urf... fer ****sake. "In order to receive support on [product], we require your [product] license serial number." -- Two problems there: One, you can only get the LSN by logging into [product]. Two, the reason i am contacting support is because i cannot log in to [product].
[15:28] <IT_Sean> so they reply: "To view your LSN, log into [product], click on [x] and select [y]."
[15:28] <IT_Sean> I reply: "I. Can. Not. Log. In. To. [product]."
[15:28] <IT_Sean> How much you want to bed they keep this up for at least another three rounds?
[15:28] <IT_Sean> *bet
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[15:29] <victhor> you're talking with a robot
[15:29] <victhor> ask for a human :P
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> victhor: i'm talking to a human.
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> well... perhaps not a human. But, not a robot.
[15:30] <victhor> oh, because yesterday I called TI's support phone number and had to talk with a answering machine
[15:31] <IT_Sean> some sort of mouth breathing phone drone.
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[15:31] <victhor> but it didn't solve my questions. :/
[15:31] <IT_Sean> bummer
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[15:54] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[16:54] <ukscone> morning all
[16:54] <haltdef> sup
[16:55] <Davespice> afternoon =)
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[17:07] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[17:09] <Kostic> What do you think, will I be able to control GertBoard using Python instead of C?
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[17:15] <ukscone> bloody cat!!!! George just jumped into my coffee cup while chasing Gizmo. coffee everywhere incl. two cats, my keys, the floor....
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[17:16] <Kostic> It is possible to use Python or shell script...
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[17:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> Kostic yes and yes
[17:19] <Kostic> I know... I just saw it...
[17:20] <Kostic> I mean thath i saw Gert's video...
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[17:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
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[17:29] <noyouken> So feburary release month now?
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[17:31] <chris_99> hi guys, do you reckon this will work on the raspberry pi http://www.ebuyer.com/237221-zyxel-nwd2105-wireless-n150-micro-usb-adapter-91-005-353001b
[17:32] <chris_99> it works on linux apparently
[17:32] <chris_99> according to linuxwireless
[17:32] <noyouken> dont see why not
[17:33] <chris_99> sweet, its only ??5.49 so would be wicked if it does
[17:34] <Kostic> Why don' you buy board B? It has wifi support. I think...
[17:34] <noyouken> no it doesnt
[17:34] <noyouken> it has ethernet
[17:34] <Kostic> aha, sorry then...
[17:35] <noyouken> you are forgiven
[17:35] <Kostic> I will be combining my Raspi with xperia x8. So I'l have Internet acess anywhere... :D
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[17:49] <helpme1986> Hello
[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[17:50] <Kostic> Hi...
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[17:50] <Kostic> Bye... :D
[17:50] <dnova_> byes
[17:50] <dnova_> -s
[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> and back
[17:51] <helpme1986> Lol sorry
[17:51] <Kostic> hello
[17:51] <helpme1986> Fat fingers on my phone
[17:51] <Kostic> hehe
[17:51] <Kostic> Then use your phone as a 3G modem and connect it to your PC...
[17:52] <Kostic> :)
[17:53] <helpme1986> At work, can't do naff all with these PC's
[17:54] <helpme1986> Can't even use a web version of irc
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[17:58] <Kostic> How's that? What are you uisng on these PC's?
[17:58] <Kostic> *using
[17:59] <helpme1986> They use very nasty web filters
[18:00] <helpme1986> Frustrating when I can check certain sites which are actually work related
[18:00] <helpme1986> Can't*
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[18:03] <helpme1986> Only popped in to see what's goin on and what sort of discussions r happening, not alot by the looks of it lol
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[18:03] <Kostic> yea, it's very quiet...
[18:04] <Kostic> But, couldn't you disconnect your computer and then connect your phone to it and use it as a 3G modem for comp...
[18:04] <Kostic> then you would be able to acess any site you want...
[18:05] <Kostic> Well, it will be slow.
[18:05] <helpme1986> Nope, can't install drivers or change network config
[18:06] <Kostic> Boot some debian-based distribution from USB and then connect it. :)
[18:06] <haltdef> college's filtering was insane
[18:06] <helpme1986> USB disabled
[18:06] <Kostic> f*ck
[18:06] <haltdef> used my ssh tunnel and portable firefox for actual work more often than to avoid work
[18:07] <Kostic> Where do you work? In China?
[18:07] <haltdef> putty needed feeding the proxy server address to work, delightful batch script pulled it from the registry for me
[18:07] <haltdef> good times
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[18:09] <helpme1986> I could use portable chrome until recently, they have to auth every exe
[18:09] <haltdef> they didn't at college, which was odd :P
[18:09] <haltdef> locked everything else down tightly
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[18:12] <helpme1986> Might use a rpi to use my 3g and just switch the monitor input when I Wonna do stuff
[18:12] <helpme1986> That's use 18,976 of the pi lil
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[18:15] <helpm31986> Now I'm on 3g, on way home
[18:16] <helpm31986> Vodafone in Birmingham is a bit naff
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[18:19] <haltdef> everything in birmingham is a bit naff
[18:19] <haltdef> :>
[18:20] <helpm31986> Lol true, apart from me of course ...
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[18:24] <helpm31986> Kostic, I work for RBS based in Birmingham
[18:26] <Kostic> Here, Telenor offers mobile Internet which is painfull but sustainable if you do not have any other mean of connecting...
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[18:27] <helpm31986> Where r u
[18:27] <Kostic> Serbia
[18:28] <Kostic> At least, it allows me to use IRC... Jeej :)
[18:29] <helpm31986> Lol, to be fair I should b working
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[18:30] <Kostic> Here are some benchmarks: ping=334ms, download=0.04Mbps and upolad=0.04Mpbs... :(
[18:30] <Kostic> Now you can laugh... :D
[18:30] <helpm31986> Does it get a bit more lively later when ppl r home from work
[18:31] <helpm31986> Haha, my phone on 2g gets more than that
[18:31] <Kostic> I suppose.
[18:32] <Kostic> Here, we have three packages, daily,weekly and monthly
[18:32] <Kostic> monthly contains 150 MB bandwith with speed of 200Kbps
[18:32] <helpm31986> Currently on 20mb and recently been told we r being upgraded to 60mb for free
[18:33] <helpm31986> Just for your phone I'm guessing
[18:33] <Kostic> When you spend that 150 MB, your speed gets reduced...
[18:33] <Kostic> but you don't loose your connection
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[18:33] <Kostic> Of course, there are packages which give you 1GB at a maximum speed allowed on the network
[18:34] <Kostic> I think that it is 5 Mbps...
[18:34] <helpm31986> That mobile or fixed at home?
[18:34] <Kostic> But they are expensive, 1300 dinars which is roughly 14 euros... Mobile.
[18:35] <helpm31986> What speeds u get at home?
[18:35] <Kostic> Im using generally ADSL with speed of 4 Mbps download and 500 Kbps upload
[18:36] <haltdef> 21mbps adsl here
[18:36] <helpm31986> Ouch
[18:36] <Kostic> I know...
[18:36] <haltdef> sodding virgin media customers :(
[18:36] <Kostic> Don't tease me xD
[18:36] <helpm31986> Our top package is 100mb cable
[18:36] <chris_99> whats the CSI connector?
[18:36] <haltdef> 120mbps shortly, 50mbps customers getting upgraded for free
[18:36] <haltdef> gits
[18:37] <Kostic> There is an interesting offer made by VIP, an offspring of Austrian A1 i think
[18:37] <haltdef> they do have some infrastructure in this town but it doesn't seem to be lit
[18:37] <Kostic> It includes 15 GB at a maximum speed of 5 Mbps
[18:37] <Kostic> and after you use it, your speed gets reduced at 200 Kbps.
[18:37] <haltdef> telewest branded manhole covers, giant green cabinet with CATV manhole covers nearby
[18:38] <Kostic> Currently, Japan is most advanced, lowest connection available is 67 Mbps...
[18:38] <chris_99> i thought south korea was supposed to be really fast
[18:39] <Kostic> Gone to translate Jargon File...
[18:39] <WASDx> lots of "Uhm" from Eben in the latest video :P
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[18:40] <Kostic> xD
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[18:40] <Helpme1986> ahhh, fixed line and keyboard!
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[18:44] <LiENUS> i saw an interesting idea on slashdot
[18:44] <LiENUS> buy a psone
[18:44] <LiENUS> 10$ on ebay
[18:44] <LiENUS> holler it out
[18:44] <LiENUS> and put a raspi inside
[18:45] * ewan raises an eyebrow
[18:45] <dnova_> why
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[18:45] <LiENUS> monitor is cheap
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[18:45] <hamitron> but even a PS1 will play better games than the pi ;)
[18:45] <LiENUS> a little creativity would give you a keyboard (bit more complex to add that)
[18:45] <victhor> put one inside the ps1 monitor. also it sucks, it supports component video but that's it
[18:45] <victhor> resolution is pretty bad too
[18:45] <LiENUS> hamitron, you can play xkillbill on a ps1?
[18:46] <hamitron> ok, maybe the odd positive
[18:46] <hamitron> :)
[18:46] <dnova_> you could probably fit 6 r.pis in a ps1
[18:46] <dnova_> why do you want such a massive case for it?
[18:46] <victhor> put one inside a gba
[18:46] <LiENUS> dnova_, you know of another monitor you can buy for 10$?
[18:46] <hamitron> tbh, if you want a working machine with a case, and more power, could just use http://www.saverstore.com/product/20190899/Sumvision-Cyclone-Media-Player-Android-22--HDMI--AV-USB-SD-Media-player-HDMI-full-1080p
[18:46] <hamitron> ;)
[18:47] <hamitron> or is that cheating? :-o
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[18:47] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[18:47] <LiENUS> ...
[18:47] <LiENUS> no monitor with that hamitron
[18:47] <LiENUS> psone has a monitor
[18:47] <victhor> you mean the monitor accessory?
[18:47] <victhor> the ps1 itself has no screen.
[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, .... you have strange political ads in Estonia.
[18:48] <hamitron> I got a few spare blown ATX PSU, may use one of them
[18:48] <LiENUS> victhor, oh snap you're right i thought it came with it built in
[18:48] <LiENUS> nm then
[18:48] <victhor> and yes the monitor is cheap and easy to come by. It also has built-in speakers. But the highest quality connection in those is component video and the resolution isn't very good either
[18:49] <dnova_> and they're not $10
[18:49] <ewan> I was thinking a PSU case would work too, especially for mounting in my car
[18:49] <hamitron> think mine will be headless
[18:49] <LiENUS> dnova_, on ebay
[18:49] <dnova_> on ebay I see them for $35.
[18:49] <dnova_> + shipping
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[18:54] <Jimf82> hi guys
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[18:56] <Jimf82> i need hibernation mode this time of year :)
[18:56] <LiENUS> for yourself or your computron?
[18:56] <Jimf82> myself
[18:57] <LiENUS> will raspi support suspend? i know theres no power button
[18:57] <LiENUS> i really wish i had the time/money to build a raspi laptop
[18:57] <dmsuse> LiENUS: no
[18:57] <hamitron> I turn power saving off on my comp, to create more heat ;)
[18:58] <Jimf82> i think the nokia screens will be popular for the raspberripi
[18:58] <dmsuse> why would you need power saving anyway, it only uses 2watts
[18:58] <LiENUS> oh snap i am due for an upgrade
[18:58] <LiENUS> i might get one
[18:58] <LiENUS> err wrong chan
[18:58] <rm> hamitron, run Folding@home there
[18:58] <LiENUS> dmsuse, why not?
[18:58] <LiENUS> and doesnt suspend turn off usb devices as well?
[18:58] <hamitron> rm, I used to
[18:58] <dmsuse> LiENUS: it doesn't support acpi from what i heard
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[18:59] <LiENUS> though i suppose you could "suspend" as long as you can turn off the monitor
[18:59] <Jimf82> i just want one to do some assembly coding on arm.
[18:59] <LiENUS> does hdmi have a command channel to turn on and off the monitor?
[18:59] <rm> dmsuse, suspend can work w/o ACPI
[18:59] <dmsuse> rm: really?
[18:59] <LiENUS> Jimf82, dont you ever say that again :|
[18:59] <dmsuse> how would you get it out of suspend?
[18:59] <dmsuse> LiENUS: there is a command to turn off the monitor
[19:00] <LiENUS> im having nightmares now you ackjarse
[19:00] <haltdef> jwh, could be epictv
[19:00] <LiENUS> dmsuse, will the pi be capable of doing that from userspace though?
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[19:00] <haltdef> wrong window
[19:00] <LiENUS> lol
[19:00] <Jimf82> i started some assembly on the 6502, i like to do bits at really low level
[19:01] <ahven> ShiftPlusOne: which one of those strange ones? :)
[19:01] <LiENUS> i did assembly on a 45mhz arm sound controller waay back
[19:01] <LiENUS> over a decade ago
[19:01] <LiENUS> hated it
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2adV6PkgFNA wtf?
[19:01] <hamitron> assembly is "fun"
[19:01] <hamitron> ;)
[19:01] <LiENUS> though i didnt mind doing the assembly on the sh4
[19:01] <Jimf82> i even spent the time to learn hexadecimal and binary lol
[19:01] <LiENUS> its like the bisual vasic of assembly
[19:01] <ahven> ShiftPlusOne: ah, that's called humor btw :P
[19:02] <ahven> lot of Estonian men have gone to Finland to work as builders
[19:02] <LiENUS> Jimf82, isnt that more or less a requirement to program on anything?
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[19:02] <Jimf82> i never needed binary for java, not really anyway
[19:02] <ahven> ah yes, they had an intro for that :P
[19:02] <dmsuse> LiENUS: no idea
[19:02] <LiENUS> Jimf82, you should know it
[19:02] <rm> dmsuse, I think only suspend-to-disk makes sense
[19:02] <hamitron> java isn't proper though ;)
[19:02] <rm> in this case
[19:02] <LiENUS> dmsuse, i've seen you around are you a raspi project member or do i just see you talk a lot?
[19:03] <dmsuse> rm: yeah
[19:03] <Jimf82> windows calculator converts well enough lol
[19:03] <dmsuse> LiENUS: i just have no life :)
[19:03] <rm> and how that works, is after a suspend the power turns off completely; then the next boot the linux kernel can detect that there's a suspend image stored (typically in the swap partition)
[19:03] <LiENUS> Jimf82, being able to do binary math is impotent
[19:03] <Jimf82> i never used it in modern langauges
[19:03] <rm> and instead of a regular boot up it basically refills RAM from that image; the tricky part is to reinit all devices to a consistent state
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ahven, yeah, I've figured out that much.
[19:04] <LiENUS> Jimf82, then you arent programming
[19:04] <rm> so that e.g. video or sound aren't borked after a restore
[19:04] <LiENUS> rm, isnt that the same as hibernate?
[19:04] <rm> yes
[19:04] <Jimf82> maybe not :)
[19:04] <rm> afaik that in the modern linux kernel requires no special h/w support whatsoever
[19:04] <dmsuse> suspending to hard disk makes sense, but i don't see how it can suspend to ram
[19:04] <rm> (other than what's in the modules to properly resume their devices)
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> LiENUS, why is being able to do binary maths important? Other than understanding bitwise operations, why does a programmer need to be able to do binary maths without a calculator?
[19:05] <LiENUS> ShiftPlusOne, you need to understand how to do binary maths
[19:05] <LiENUS> or else bitwise operations wont make much sense
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> LiENUS, sure, I can agree with that
[19:06] <Jimf82> sorry shift didnt mean to click that
[19:06] <LiENUS> then theres debugging
[19:06] <Jimf82> I dont personally think learning binary and hex would be top of my list in learning programming
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Jimf82, happens
[19:06] <LiENUS> binary and hex math isnt necescary for debugging but it can make things a hell of a lot easier
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Jimf82, there's not really much to learn.. it's the same thing as decimal, but with less numbers.
[19:06] <Jimf82> yes for sure, i understand some stuff alot better now
[19:07] <LiENUS> ShiftPlusOne, its like chaos theory
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> or more, if hex obviously.
[19:07] <LiENUS> you can do everything you need to do in the decimal system
[19:07] <rm> I wonder if one of the RPi education manual will include ARM assembler :))
[19:07] <LiENUS> but they consider it mandetory at the colleges here to learn terniary math
[19:07] <rm> manuals*
[19:07] <LiENUS> in the chaos theory class
[19:08] <hamitron> rm, assembly will be my main use for the pi
[19:08] <hamitron> :)
[19:08] <LiENUS> i hope someone (maybe me) comes up with a runtime programming environment like the old basic ones
[19:08] <Jimf82> its only when i started looking at assembly code i really decided i needed to know hex and binary :)
[19:08] <LiENUS> but support basic, assembly, C, C++
[19:08] <LiENUS> so you can boot up type in the code then execute
[19:08] <Jimf82> sounds nice
[19:08] <hamitron> basic!?!?!/!!? :/
[19:08] <rm> LiENUS, Python interactive shell won't do?
[19:09] <LiENUS> rm, but quick boot without linux kernel
[19:09] <Jimf82> like on the old c64s etc?
[19:09] <LiENUS> using a custom editor and something like tinycc
[19:09] <LiENUS> really all youd need is a custom libc capable of compiling whatever editor and compiler you want
[19:09] <LiENUS> Jimf82, yeah
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[19:09] <LiENUS> andh amandarn yeah basic
[19:10] <Shift_> grr, could really use a new modem.
[19:10] <rm> I would imagine it'd be a pain to edit large programs (more than one source file) in a type-and-run environment
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[19:10] <LiENUS> rm, you wouldnt do large programs
[19:10] <LiENUS> and you could have it save the files
[19:11] <Jimf82> i think someone should release some kind of weekly magazine with some code in it, So you can type it in like i used to in the 80s :)
[19:11] <LiENUS> Jimf82, ed zachary
[19:11] <Shift_> hmm... maybe start a little community effort
[19:11] <rm> nope, forget typing in code
[19:11] <Shift_> have a weekly raspberry pi magazine
[19:11] <Jimf82> yeh with simple games to get people started
[19:11] <Shift_> and have forum members contribute projects
[19:12] <rm> it's a cargo cult to try emulate that; these days you spend 0.1 seconds downloading code and another 30 seconds putting it on an SD card
[19:12] <Jimf82> for me i always learnt faster when it was games as it was interesting
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[19:12] <Shift_> yeah, games are the way to go.
[19:12] <rm> typing was necessary only because of no internet back then
[19:12] <Jimf82> but i think its ok to copy and paste sure, But its looking over it and seeing what things do and changing
[19:13] <Jimf82> of course people wont type 1000lines of code when you can copy it in.
[19:13] <Shift_> nor will you understand the 1000 lines without typing them (if you're just learning)
[19:14] <Jimf82> you can break down parts, better to type it in yourself
[19:14] <Jimf82> So apple are giving you money back for old hardware ??100 for an Ipad lol
[19:15] <hamitron> ideally you'd get "kids" typing it all in, so they learn..... but can kids today be bothered? ;)
[19:15] <Shift_> sure they can... if they have any interest in learning
[19:15] <Jimf82> yeh thats the problem
[19:15] <LiENUS> rm, good luck downloading the code on a model A
[19:16] <hamitron> I just feel they may feel a little disappointed with a game of 1000 lines they've spent ages typing.... when comparing to their instant on PS3 game
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[19:16] <Jimf82> yeh its a problem as well hamiltron
[19:16] <LiENUS> hamitron, what about a game of 3000 lines that they made themselves?
[19:16] <hamitron> even worse
[19:16] <hamitron> haha
[19:16] <LiENUS> youd need a fancy library to make it easy
[19:17] <Simon-> "quick boot without linux kernel" <-- what makes you think linux is slow to boot?
[19:17] <LiENUS> something higher level to interact with than even directx
[19:17] <Jimf82> But making your own game is exciting
[19:17] <hamitron> but then you make it less flexible :/
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[19:17] <LiENUS> maybe a dumbed down quake c
[19:17] <Jimf82> even if it isnt ps3 quality
[19:17] <LiENUS> Simon-, it leaves fewer resources available as well
[19:17] <Simon-> significantly out of 128-256MB?
[19:17] <LiENUS> 256mb use to be a ton
[19:18] <hamitron> I personally think it is a mistake trying to market it for games
[19:18] <LiENUS> nowadays my its nothing
[19:18] <LiENUS> linux has adapted we arent running 2.0.36 no mo
[19:18] <rm> does anyone know is there even a proper Xorg driver for the GPU
[19:18] <LiENUS> hamitron, whys that?
[19:18] <Simon-> linux can boot in about 200ms if you drop ACPI and load USB as a module
[19:18] <LiENUS> i wouldnt market it for games
[19:18] <rm> that beta guy posted videos and logs running it on fbdev
[19:18] <LiENUS> but making games available is a good idea
[19:19] <Jimf82> I still think making a pong style game start to finish would be nice for a child of today
[19:19] <hamitron> I'd target lower level stuff, with small "packs" of electronic parts to interact with
[19:19] <LiENUS> hamitron, you could call the packs "shields"
[19:19] <LiENUS> ...
[19:19] <Jimf82> that reminds me of when i was about 8 and we had a robot that we had to program in some codes to make it walk and stop
[19:20] <hamitron> pong is good, like a game programming 101
[19:20] <hamitron> :)
[19:20] <Jimf82> Computing at school all went down when we moved to x86 computers
[19:20] <hamitron> nothing wrong with x86
[19:20] <hamitron> :/
[19:20] <Jimf82> I know but it just seemed to go that way
[19:21] <LiENUS> computing in school went down when we moved to a windows style machine
[19:21] <Jimf82> yeh thats what i mean
[19:21] <LiENUS> where every machine had very specialized hardware yet was different from each other
[19:21] <hamitron> I'd say once we started to get to windows 98..... things started to "just work"
[19:21] <hamitron> :/
[19:21] <LiENUS> the gpu did more to kill computing in school than x86
[19:21] <Jimf82> wow windows98 we had windows 3.11
[19:21] <hamitron> Jimf82, so did we
[19:21] <hamitron> ;)
[19:22] <haltdef> we had xp
[19:22] <haltdef> you guys are old
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> We had DOS 2.1 8-)
[19:22] <Jimf82> but the teacher let us play Sim ant if it was near a holliday
[19:22] <hamitron> but I remember having to learn about IRQ to get stuff working on windows 95
[19:22] <hamitron> win98 sort of made a comp, ready built
[19:23] <Jimf82> We still had bbc micros at schools :)
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[19:24] <hamitron> I've been thinking about the effects of this pi hype
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[19:24] <hamitron> hoping it is gonna encourage people to use smaller apps
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[19:25] <rm> yes i think so to
[19:25] <rm> too*
[19:25] <rm> to write, actually
[19:25] <hamitron> and I can maybe re-compile some of the things for my older x86 machines
[19:25] <hamitron> :)
[19:25] <noyouken> I gonna write a program, itll do things
[19:25] <Jimf82> I think the Pi has the chance to be a massive massive thing for computing
[19:26] <noyouken> things you cant imagine
[19:26] <hamitron> with newer machines having resources free for real stuff, rather than running a bloated OS
[19:26] <noyouken> just gotta wait for it to actually release
[19:26] <noyouken> which is now feburary
[19:26] <hamitron> wait?!?!?!?!
[19:26] <hamitron> :/
[19:26] <noyouken> and will actually be march
[19:27] <hamitron> I'm sort of expecting an Apriel Fool's joke, to say they are ready
[19:27] <Jimf82> I wanna learn some electronics myself too, Anyone know some good sets/books to read
[19:27] <hamitron> ;)
[19:27] <noyouken> I wouldnt be surprised if it gets pushed back to april
[19:28] <Jimf82> But they are in manufactoring already
[19:28] <hamitron> Jimf82, I'm told the arduino is a nice toy to start with
[19:28] <Jimf82> Yeh i seen that a bit, Thinking about just geting a breadboard and making some simple designs first
[19:28] <hamitron> but I'd personally encourage someone to start with more basic componants
[19:29] <hamitron> yes
[19:29] <Jimf82> I see some guy who had used a 6502 processor and made his own computer, on youtube really interested me
[19:29] <Jimf82> had like 4k of ram as well & he added a sid chip afterwards
[19:29] <LiENUS> i built my own processor out of relays
[19:29] <hamitron> relays :|
[19:30] <LiENUS> hey its a simple and gate
[19:30] <LiENUS> or a nand gate
[19:30] <hamitron> also slow and slower
[19:30] <Jimf82> will that be in the begineers handbook??? ;)
[19:31] <LiENUS> hamitron, its faster than the cpu made out of legos
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[19:32] <hamitron> legos?
[19:32] <LiENUS> really he didnt make a cpu
[19:32] <LiENUS> just logic gates iirc
[19:32] <dmsuse> computer out of relays lol
[19:32] <LiENUS> http://goldfish.ikaruga.co.uk/logic.html
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[19:33] <hamitron> brb, phone
[19:33] <LiENUS> id imagine friction would make an actuall processor capable of doing anything complex infeasable
[19:33] <LiENUS> though a simple binary calculator is feasable
[19:33] <LiENUS> two numbers one operation
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[19:35] <Jimf82> Im guessing old school emulation will be big on the Pi snes etc
[19:35] <RichiH> will there be an order limit on the first batch?
[19:36] <LiENUS> Jimf82, im sure
[19:36] <Jimf82> plug in a usb snes controller conected to the tv easy mode
[19:36] <LiENUS> i wish i could get component or composite out thoguh :/
[19:36] <LiENUS> i just got a new (used) tv with component/composite/svideo only :(
[19:36] <Jimf82> doenst it have component?
[19:36] <noyouken> I have a someone older Widescreen CRT with HDMI input
[19:37] <noyouken> gonna be my htpc
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[19:37] <LiENUS> Jimf82, the raspi?
[19:37] <Jimf82> yeh i thought that yellow conection was component
[19:38] <LiENUS> i thought it was audio
[19:38] <LiENUS> and red not yellow
[19:38] <LiENUS> oh hmm
[19:38] <LiENUS> it does have composite
[19:38] <RichiH> also, will there be a raspberry pi at fosdem?
[19:38] <Jimf82> yeh thats what i meant
[19:38] <LiENUS> Jimf82, btw you're mixing up composite and component
[19:38] <noyouken> it has hdmi and composite
[19:38] <Jimf82> yeh i see, i always do that :)
[19:39] <LiENUS> i did nto know it had composite
[19:39] <LiENUS> i thought it was digital audio
[19:39] <LiENUS> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WFpKrR3Akr4/Twwzb3lrw7I/AAAAAAAAA0M/bCX6i9Ffs9Q/s1600/raspberry-pi.jpg
[19:40] <Jimf82> So how slow would using a usb stick as a hard drive be? compaired to SD cards
[19:41] <LiENUS> slow
[19:41] <LiENUS> but so would sd cards
[19:41] <LiENUS> the big problem with the raspi
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[19:41] <LiENUS> is its only io port really is usb
[19:41] <LiENUS> so if you do a usb hd
[19:41] <Jimf82> So what are you going to do for storage? SD?
[19:41] <LiENUS> and do ethernet.... you split bandwidth between the two
[19:41] <noyouken> Could use a higher class SD card
[19:41] <LiENUS> most of my storage would probably be networked
[19:41] <traeak> you won't get good speeds out of SD cards no matter what
[19:41] <traeak> and i'm not sure the rpi even supports high speed sd cards anyways
[19:42] <traeak> somethign baout license fees for certain levels of sd card support
[19:42] <Jimf82> I just got 1 SD card that swaps between my camera and nintendo wii
[19:42] <noyouken> heh iw qas in the same bout just bought a new sd card so i could leave the one in the wii alone
[19:42] <noyouken> sense its softmodded and needs it really
[19:43] <Jimf82> yeh ^^
[19:43] <traeak> heh
[19:43] <traeak> yeah, i just use my wii to play videos
[19:43] <traeak> have a hard drive hooked up to it
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[19:43] <Jimf82> yeh if i didnt softmod my wii it would be never on
[19:44] <traeak> well i dont' have time to play sadly
[19:44] <traeak> i'd get killt if i did
[19:44] <traeak> if i can get a balance board super cheap ... maybe
[19:44] <traeak> heh
[19:44] <Jimf82> PS3 just gets used for bluray play back as well
[19:44] <traeak> although my 17 month old son steals everything and runs off with it
[19:44] <traeak> that's the biggest problem
[19:47] <LiENUS> traeak, i hope to god thats bs
[19:48] <LiENUS> i dont think you're trying to but i hope you're mistaken
[19:48] <LiENUS> .... nice i just got 300ft of heatshrink tubing in at work
[19:48] <LiENUS> 15mm 20mm and 30mm
[19:49] <traeak> LiENUS: you mean about my son grabbing the wiimotes, the ir bar, the discs and spreading them all over the house ?
[19:49] <LiENUS> no
[19:49] <LiENUS> the part about licensing for sd cards
[19:49] <traeak> oh
[19:49] <LiENUS> licensing speeds
[19:49] <LiENUS> if i buy a class 6 sd card
[19:50] <traeak> could have just been an evil rumour
[19:50] <LiENUS> in theory i've paid the class 6 license
[19:50] <LiENUS> then i go buy a device
[19:50] <LiENUS> but they only paid class 4 license
[19:50] <LiENUS> thats bs
[19:50] <LiENUS> i wouldnt be surprised if its a true rumor but i hope not
[19:51] <Jimf82> im anoyed thought i had some football to watch tonight brighton was playing wrexham but called of due to frost hehe
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[19:51] <Jimf82> i used to play football in snow and frost why cant they :O
[19:52] <noyouken> Anyone getting the PSVita in feburary?
[19:53] <Jimf82> it looks good, but i wont get it
[19:53] <noyouken> I sold my vizio tablet
[19:53] <noyouken> gonna save for it
[19:53] <traeak> !w
[19:53] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Tue Jan 17 12:53:00 2012. Temp 20??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 57%, Later 34??F - 16??F. Condition: Clear.
[19:53] <noyouken> figure I wont need the tablet with the size of the vitas screen
[19:54] <Jimf82> since i droped my android phone the usb wont work on my computer, it charges up but i cant transfer files
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[19:54] <traeak> so the boards are being manuf in china, shipped to the UK and then shipped out from there?
[19:54] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[19:54] <Jimf82> any ideas what it could be, i tried messing about with drives but nothing will fix it
[19:55] <noyouken> nah sorry
[19:55] <noyouken> how old is the phone
[19:55] <Jimf82> just over a year, it works fine other than conecting to windows
[19:56] <chris_99> yup traeak
[19:56] <noyouken> and are you sure you have usb transfer turned on
[19:56] <Jimf82> yeh it pops up unreconized device in windows
[19:56] <traeak> hmm....almost should just ship them direct from china and have them manage the inventory
[19:56] <noyouken> what make and model phone
[19:56] <Jimf82> nexus s
[19:56] <chris_99> they want to test some of the boards apparently traeak
[19:56] <rm> traeak, I suppose QA has to be done in the UK
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[19:56] <traeak> chris_99: that would be the main reason i can think of
[19:57] <chris_99> yeah
[19:57] <LiENUS> dang monoprices smallest tubing wont shrink small enough for this use :/
[19:57] <rm> and it's probably not that expensive to ship the whole bulk of 10K in a big box to the UK
[19:57] <rm> it's not like they have to ship each board separately
[19:57] <noyouken> try googling for a nexus s usb driver, My old Lg Optimus required a driver download
[19:58] <Jimf82> i tried all the usb drives for it, had a load with the android sdk nothing sorts it
[19:58] <Jimf82> its not a massive loss as i can just email my pictures accross etc but its anoying
[19:58] <noyouken> yea that sucks, '
[19:58] <noyouken> its not under warranty?
[19:59] <Jimf82> dont think so now.
[19:59] <LiENUS> Jimf82, what you trying to accomplish?
[19:59] <noyouken> guess your stuck using a seperate sd card reader
[19:59] <LiENUS> Jimf82, you dont have usb debugging enabled do you?
[19:59] <Jimf82> my phone no longer connects to my pc for transfer
[19:59] <Jimf82> think so
[20:00] <noyouken> even with debugging enabled pretty sure itll still connect as a usb storage device
[20:00] <Jimf82> it just comes up usb device not reconized, Never used to happen seemed to start happening when i droped my phone
[20:01] <tntexplosivesltd> that happens with my optimus after I flashed a new ROM onto it.
[20:01] <noyouken> try installing pdanet? it comes with android usb drivers
[20:01] <tntexplosivesltd> I just use linux XD
[20:01] <Jimf82> Im waiting for ICS and hoping that it will forget this problem :)
[20:02] <LiENUS> Jimf82, try disabling usb debugging
[20:02] <LiENUS> also have you tried #android?
[20:02] <noyouken> i just sold both my android devices :/ it was for the best, my phone was prepaid and i dont have the money to keep it active and I rarely used the tablet so i sold it and am turning the money into profits for my next tech purchase
[20:02] <Jimf82> nope i will do, just that problem just popped into my head
[20:03] <haltdef> my phone provider hasn't been paid on months
[20:04] <haltdef> still got ??8 credit
[20:04] <Jimf82> i will probally get rid of my phone when the contract is up, I rarely use it for calls
[20:05] <noyouken> yea
[20:05] <haltdef> evil contracts
[20:05] <noyouken> im using a free service for poor people
[20:05] <Jimf82> phone box?
[20:05] <noyouken> 250mins/mo
[20:05] <noyouken> Assurance wireless
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[20:07] <Jimf82> For me 3g really really pisses me of
[20:07] <Jimf82> so i barely use data when im out
[20:07] <LiENUS> so does anyone here do heatshrink tubing with a lighter or do you guys use a hot air gun?
[20:08] <tntexplosivesltd> I hold it over the soldering irom
[20:08] <tntexplosivesltd> * iron
[20:08] <LiENUS> i have a butane soldering iron
[20:08] <LiENUS> two
[20:08] <LiENUS> one decent from radio shack has a torch
[20:08] <LiENUS> the other has a hot air gun but the iron always jams up its a bernzomatic :/
[20:09] <noyouken> Ive mostly seen people hover their soldering iron over it
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I never really got the idea of a butane soldering iron
[20:10] <LiENUS> tntexplosivesltd, how do you solder without a power outlet nearby?
[20:10] <tntexplosivesltd> I never need to
[20:11] <Jimf82> i got a soldering iron in the face when i was at school
[20:11] <tntexplosivesltd> but I see your piint
[20:11] <LiENUS> plus a cheap butane iron heats up much faster than a cheap electric
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[20:12] <tntexplosivesltd> until you run out if butane
[20:13] <LiENUS> tru
[20:13] <LiENUS> but i generally dont do that much soldering that im running out
[20:13] <LiENUS> i use them for security camera installations
[20:13] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
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[20:13] <LiENUS> and its a lot easier to use a butane iron than lug a generator over to a utility pole on the side of a hill
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[20:14] <LiENUS> im trying to figure out what ima do in the attic though
[20:14] <LiENUS> i wanna shrinkrap my electric connections
[20:15] <LiENUS> and i dont wanna use any sort of fire in the attic surrounded by insulation i dunno if its flamable or not but i dont wanna find out
[20:15] <syk3> use superglue gel
[20:18] <LiENUS> i want it to come off later lol
[20:21] <tntexplosivesltd> what kinda insulation is it?
[20:21] <LiENUS> donno
[20:22] <LiENUS> supposedly its fire retardant
[20:22] <LiENUS> looks like cotton
[20:22] <LiENUS> ima drag some down and set it on fire to see
[20:22] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[20:22] <LiENUS> when something looks like cotton im not keen on using fire near it
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[20:22] <tntexplosivesltd> it's probably pink batts
[20:23] <tntexplosivesltd> http://purlewe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/IMG_4498.jpg
[20:23] <tntexplosivesltd> at least that;s what we call it
[20:23] <LiENUS> no
[20:23] <tntexplosivesltd> http://buybuildingsupplies.com.au/images/installing_merge_600.jpg
[20:23] <LiENUS> its fluffy and in clumps
[20:23] <LiENUS> iirc its blown in
[20:24] <LiENUS> fun was i thought i was gonna have to go through a two foot high crawlspace to install this
[20:24] <LiENUS> thank god i found out i didnt
[20:24] <LiENUS> its over an exterior covered walkway
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[20:25] <LiENUS> welp time to jet
[20:27] <sightlight> rasp not release yet
[20:27] <haltdef> your new gaming machine will be with you soon enough, don't worry
[20:28] <sightlight> aha go away hehe
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[20:37] <sightlight> seeig some linux games
[20:37] <sightlight> Heroes of newearth i think
[20:37] <haltdef> my windows machine has tons of games
[20:37] <sightlight> was portred to linux
[20:37] <sightlight> inlone
[20:38] <haltdef> runs them great with 6GB of ram and GTX 570 too
[20:38] <sightlight> online
[20:38] <sightlight> yes.
[20:41] <Davespice> be right back
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[20:51] <syk3> hopefully selling my computer desk tonight, i hate it. Hoping to buy http://www.staples.com/Z-Line-Gemini-L-Desk-Maple-Black/product-nr_497474
[20:53] <victhor> he he, a Z-Line desk. :P
[20:53] <victhor> does that mean no one can use it? :P
[20:54] <syk3> joke went over my head :/
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[20:54] <victhor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRCd#Z-line
[20:55] <syk3> ahh i knew what a g-line was heh
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> hey Davespice
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> how's it
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[20:56] <syk3> Im having some kind of DNs issue..... Webpages constantly time out I tried manually entering googles open dns in network settings but no change
[20:56] <syk3> I thought it might of been some kind of wired issue so i bought a wireless n adapter same results
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> what about google's IP?
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> 74.125.237.113
[20:57] <syk3> currently im connected through both, if i disable the wired connection i can browse like three webpages
[20:57] <syk3> then it stops working
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> try entering that into the browser
[20:57] <syk3> so i have to keep enabling and disabling the network connection to browse any webpage
[20:58] <syk3> the ip worked
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
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[20:58] <syk3> google.com also works
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> 205.134.224.148
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> that one?
[20:58] <syk3> its like i can browse the web for a few seconds up to a couple mins then it stops working
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[20:58] <syk3> but torrents in the background are running no problerm
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[20:59] <Davespice> hi tnt, yeah not bad thanks - Virgin Media seem to be having DNS problems
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[20:59] <haltdef> virgin mdia having * problems it seems
[21:00] <Dagger3> VM are having network issues... although I suppose the network issues might be hitting their DNS servers too
[21:00] <syk3> charter tech support is useless and ive been having this problem for a couple months
[21:00] <Davespice> yeah, DNS has been all over the place, it comes and goes
[21:00] <syk3> Iim using charter though this is my home connection
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[21:01] <Dagger3> syk3: do you have any kind of software firewall, "internet security package" or the like installed?
[21:01] <syk3> no just using MSE
[21:02] <syk3> windows firewall is disabled
[21:02] <Dagger3> that ought to be fine
[21:02] <syk3> so frustrating as charter doesnt believe theres a problem and im stuck with their service
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[21:04] <syk3> i dont know how to change the dns settings in the router I dont see any options to do so
[21:04] <Dagger3> to be fair, it's not a problem with an obvious solution
[21:04] <MystX> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[21:04] <Dagger3> though not believing you as opposed to admitting they just don't know is... typical of customer service departments
[21:05] <syk3> under basic settings I can switch to static ip and enter my own info but im on a dynamic ip and dont think itll work the same
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[21:05] <syk3> WAN connection type currently set to dynamic
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[21:06] <mdavey> hello all
[21:06] <mdavey> who's running a countdown timer for r.pi going on sale?
[21:06] <syk3> the only other option that mentions dns is dynamic DNS which assumes I signed up for a DDNS service
[21:07] <Dagger3> syk3: you can try and narrow down the problem with nslookup (for DNS) and ping (with an IP) when it breaks... if both of those work but you still can't connect to anywhere, then your problem isn't basic network or DNS
[21:07] <Dagger3> I suppose you could also try telnet to connect to a web server, to see if it's just your web browser having trouble (although testing in IE would probably work as an alternative)
[21:08] <Dagger3> if nslookup says "Server: 8.8.8.8" or similar, then your router's DNS settings are irrelevent
[21:09] <syk3> nslookup gives my ISPs DNS
[21:09] <Dagger3> (and if it says "Server: 192.168.x.x" (whatever the local IP of your router is), then you're using the router's DNS forwarder)
[21:12] <syk3> i tried nslookup again and it actually timed out
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[21:12] <syk3> DNS Request timed out timeout was 2 seconds
[21:14] <Dagger3> mm... well, if it usually works when you try again then I guess the response was just slow
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[21:34] <helpme1986> ello
[21:34] <tntexplosivesltd> the name says it all ._.
[21:34] <helpme1986> ive used it for years
[21:35] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:35] <helpme1986> just here to see what the gossip is,
[21:36] <MystX> What's the goss, boss.
[21:41] <helpme1986> asking me?
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[21:46] <Kostic> I was trying to find some channel dedicated to the "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" operating system. Had anyone saw anything related to it?
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[22:01] <wwalker> kostic /msg alis list *plan*9*
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[22:07] <Kostic> ????????????
[22:07] <Kostic> *thanks
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[22:23] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[22:24] <dmsuse> nope
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[22:24] <dmsuse> atleast another 2 weeks yet
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> "Are we there yet?"
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[22:25] <helpme1986> lol
[22:25] <rm> Kostic, do you use an ???????????? layout :)
[22:26] <Kostic> No, I use ????????????
[22:26] <Kostic> serbian layout...
[22:26] <Kostic> :D
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[22:26] <rm> but ???????????? match thanks on the keyboard?
[22:26] <Kostic> yes
[22:26] <rm> I see :)
[22:27] <Kostic> well, there are 3 layouts on my comp: USA, SR_cyrillic and SR_latin
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> convenient layout
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> when I have to type russian, I usually use some translit website
[22:28] <Kostic> One for programming, other for some things that are brain-damaged and dont understand cyrillic and cyrillic for other
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[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> the standard russian layout is awkward, since it doesn't match up to english at all.
[22:29] <Kostic> Well, in Serbia we use two layouts equally, latin and cyrillic...
[22:29] <Kostic> its called something like dygliphia on english...
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[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't actually know Serbians used cyrillic... I thought you switched to latin a while back
[22:30] <Kostic> No... You can use latin OR cyrillic...
[22:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I found it strange that cyrillic is an option... I've only seen Serbian written in latin
[22:30] <Kostic> When I went to school, first year we were learning cyrillic and the second we were learning latin
[22:31] <Kostic> Because latin is more popular tha cyrillic
[22:31] <rm> are they used for different purposes?
[22:31] <Kostic> its a globalization thing
[22:31] <rm> or just mixed in whatever way
[22:31] <Kostic> depends
[22:31] <Kostic> as an example, national television uses only cyrillic and other comercial tv stations use latin
[22:32] <Kostic> Daily news use cyrillic mostly and IT Magazines use latin because then they do not need to transcribe word like Linux into ???????????? and so...
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[22:33] <rm> hehe, I see
[22:33] <rm> very interesting :)
[22:33] <tntexplosivesltd> cyrillic is used for elitism XD
[22:33] <Kostic> heh
[22:34] <Kostic> maybe im to passionate but I think Cyrillic is far prettier than Latin.
[22:34] <Kostic> And in Serbian we write words in a same form that they were spoken...
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[22:35] <Kostic> so mama is written mama and Microsoft is written Majkrosoft...
[22:35] <tntexplosivesltd> but no-one writes microsoft, because it's gross
[22:36] <UnderSampled> how does "mic.ro" turn into "maj.kro" ?
[22:37] <Kostic> You use only 30 voices
[22:37] <Kostic> its hard to explain but i will try
[22:37] <UnderSampled> so you don't have an "eye" sound?
[22:37] <Kostic> yes
[22:37] <tntexplosivesltd> maj = my
[22:37] <Kostic> jes
[22:37] <tntexplosivesltd> kinda thing
[22:37] <traeak> dipthong
[22:37] <traeak> diphthong
[22:37] <Kostic> Some german dude thought that out in 18 century...
[22:37] <traeak> ugh
[22:37] <rm> generic "Micro-..." should be ??????????, and Microsoft gets off as ???????????? only because it's a recent foreign word and/or an 'it's own name'
[22:37] <UnderSampled> so "aj" sounds like "eye"?
[22:38] <traeak> deutsch
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[22:38] <Kostic> Yea... aj sound like eye
[22:38] <haltdef> ukscone, did your server catch fire after that retweet? :P
[22:38] <Kostic> there are only two voices when you pronounce eye (A and J)
[22:39] <ukscone> haltdef: looks like
[22:39] <ukscone> perhaps it can't handle 200 hits/sec
[22:39] <Kostic> Microsoft in English is prounounced as Majkrosoft so its transcribed ????????????????????...
[22:39] <haltdef> running it at home?
[22:40] <UnderSampled> Kostic: what does a single "j" sound like?
[22:40] <Kostic> and your letter ?? was in old serbian but now it is j
[22:40] <Kostic> UnderSampled: wait to think some example out
[22:41] <ukscone> haltdef: nope, friend hosts a few local government sites, piggybacked onto that
[22:41] <UnderSampled> Kostic: we don't have a letter ??
[22:41] <haltdef> ha, bet they're pleased now
[22:41] <ukscone> but got a problem as i can't get into the VM to restart it -- eek and he is offline until later
[22:41] <Kostic> Last letter in why. Transcribed it is vaj
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[22:42] <ukscone> knew I should have upped the concurrent connections before posting
[22:42] <haltdef> what was the blog post about anyway?
[22:42] <Kostic> UnderSampled: So remember the last letter when you prounounce why and it is how J is prounounced in Serbian/Croatian/Montenegrian/Bosnian
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[22:43] <Kostic> *meant last voice
[22:43] <UnderSampled> Kostic: what do you use for when you want to make a "j" sound?
[22:43] <UnderSampled> or do you not have it?
[22:43] <Kostic> Im affraid that I do not understand you
[22:43] <UnderSampled> Kostic: how could you transcribe english "jay" into your characters?
[22:43] <Kostic> Its quite different language as a difference betwen machine code and C...
[22:44] <Kostic> It tricky... Its transcribed ?????? ie. d??ej
[22:44] <rm> so they redefined the meaning of "j" :)
[22:44] <Kostic> ?? equals d?? in latin
[22:44] <rm> and it no longer means english "j" :)
[22:45] <UnderSampled> so English J is Serbian d??, and Serbian J is English Y
[22:45] <Kostic> You see, when you pronounce B in english you see just one voice, we see two voices, B and I B+I = BI
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[22:46] <Kostic> UnderSampled:no
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[22:46] <Kostic> english alfabet has 26 letters, serbian has 30 letters (d??, ??, ??,
[22:46] <Kostic> *??,??
[22:46] <Kostic> and ??
[22:47] <Kostic> J in english is prounounced with three voices D??, E, J
[22:47] <Kostic> Its quite logical...
[22:48] <UnderSampled> Kostic: Micro and mykrow would pronounce the same in english
[22:48] <Kostic> and on the other hand maybe not
[22:48] <UnderSampled> that's why I said your J is our Y
[22:48] <Kostic> It is simillar
[22:48] <UnderSampled> well, in that one case anyway
[22:48] <Kostic> Mykrow = Majkrov
[22:48] <Kostic> or Majkrou
[22:48] <Kostic> You got it! gratz
[22:49] <UnderSampled> we also use Y as "ia"
[22:49] <UnderSampled> "Yawn:
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[22:49] <Kostic> still 22:50 here... :D
[22:50] <UnderSampled> Kostic: I was giving "yawn" as an example :P
[22:50] <Kostic> hehe
[22:50] <UnderSampled> it's only 16:50 here :P
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[22:51] <Kostic> D??ovn or D??ouvn D??oun
[22:51] <Kostic> *or D??oun
[22:51] <Kostic> last may be written in english as Jon or Joun
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[22:52] <Kostic> UnderSampled: Serbian is not a easy language when you are English speaker... It has different way in writing and reading words and it has declination...
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[22:54] <Kostic> Try to find some audio lessons or go look at youtube for Serbian Lessons... There is one jacka*s who is making some funny videos on YT...
[22:54] <Thorn_> serbians? aren't they just yugoslavians on the loose?
[22:54] * Thorn_ ducks
[22:54] <Kostic> I don't remmember Yougoslavia
[22:55] <vipkilla> i do
[22:55] <Thorn_> most serbs i know that were around then say it was a better place for croatians and serbs
[22:55] <Kostic> But from tales it seems that it was nice while USA was giving dollars and SSSR giving weapons
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[22:56] <Kostic> It was because Yougoslavia was a profiteer of Cold War...
[22:56] <Kostic> Flirting with the West and East
[22:56] <Thorn_> we call Cold War's snowball fights here
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[22:56] <Kostic> vipkilla: ?? ???????????? ?????
[22:57] <Kostic> It was nice while they had money... When money became a problem they started to shot at each other...
[22:57] <Kostic> I intentionally say them because I cant understand that amount of hatred....
[22:58] <Kostic> Ok, I was boring enough...
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