#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-18

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[0:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
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[0:22] <sightlight> hiii'
[0:22] <sightlight> hii
[0:22] <sightlight> hii hii
[0:23] <sightlight> the gming rig hasnt been release yet :P
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[0:27] <sightlight> no one wants to talk to me :(
[0:27] <wwalker> pibot! come back!
[0:27] <wwalker> sightlight: hi
[0:27] <sightlight> sup mna
[0:27] <sightlight> this oneline official game
[0:28] <sightlight> "heroes of newerth"
[0:28] <sightlight> legit
[0:28] <sightlight> linux native
[0:29] <sightlight> I tried it on my netbook but doesnt work
[0:29] <cousteau> is it free?
[0:29] <cousteau> (as in free beer)
[0:29] <sightlight> because GMA 500 gpu drivers for ubuntu arent finished.
[0:29] <wwalker> sightlight: wesnoth?
[0:29] <cousteau> (not open-source beer, free beer as in beer that costs no money)
[0:30] <wwalker> heroes of wesnoth ships with fedora and has for a long time.
[0:30] <cousteau> wwalker, that's battle for wesnoth
[0:30] <sightlight> let me google it
[0:30] <cousteau> oh wait, there's a fork
[0:30] <_inc> https://heroesofwesnothblog.wordpress.com/
[0:31] <_inc> fan made spinoff, cant find site. no source provided so its not free beer or otherwise at the moment
[0:31] <cousteau> _inc, down
[0:32] <_inc> cousteau: exactly
[0:32] <cousteau> dead link (just like http://imgur.com/gallery/s85Xa)
[0:32] <sightlight> 3oomb
[0:32] <sightlight> wow
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[0:32] <sightlight> and ships with fedora
[0:32] <sightlight> O_O
[0:32] <cousteau> _inc, the sourcefore.net/projects/ page is up though
[0:32] <haltdef> install windows if you want gaming
[0:33] <wwalker> cousteau: yup, you are right, Battle for Wesnoth
[0:33] <haltdef> no working linux drivers, nothing you can do
[0:33] * cousteau has only had nvidia and intel gpus, both worked fine
[0:33] <cousteau> ...oh, and VIA. That one didn't.
[0:34] <sightlight> my drivers do not have 3D aceleration
[0:34] <haltdef> gma500 is different to intel's other gpus, isn't made by them
[0:34] <sightlight> stuck untill raspberrypi comes
[0:34] <haltdef> drivers outsourced too, they're fine under windows but no good under linux
[0:34] <_inc> what was the gpu beginning with 's' (vague i know)
[0:35] <_inc> late 90s/early 2000s
[0:35] <hamitron> savage?
[0:35] <sightlight> pousbo?
[0:35] <_inc> hamitron: yes i think so
[0:35] <haltdef> got a vanilla debian install on my gma500 netbook, gpu drivers is the least of my worried, touchscreen and build in trackpad doesn't work :P
[0:35] <sightlight> i think its pousbo GMA 500
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[0:35] <haltdef> I doubt linux would support video acceleration on it anyway which is a dealbreaker
[0:36] <cousteau> _inc, SiS?
[0:36] <_inc> yes, s3 savage. oh how i loved the transition from that to ATI
[0:36] <sightlight> funny thing is this netbook loads quake
[0:36] <sightlight> and prob will work with urbanterror
[0:36] <_inc> cousteau: actually you are right
[0:37] <_inc> i had it intergrated on a cheap motherboard i had
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[0:37] <hamitron> I always found SiS graphics cards gave me a nice image quality.... just not really upto any proper 3d :/
[0:37] <cousteau> me too
[0:37] <hamitron> but had 2 x voodoo2 for 3d
[0:37] <hamitron> :)
[0:37] <cousteau> getting rid of that (not really, but not using it) was good
[0:38] <_inc> SiS gave me an unfair advantage on some game engines, sometimes wall textures would not load
[0:38] <cousteau> upgrading to Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400, with 64 MB RAM
[0:38] <haltdef> sightlight, why can't you just buy a gaming desktop? netbooks and laptops will always suck for gaming
[0:38] <_inc> unreal tournament '99 was such a game
[0:38] <hamitron> my "retro" comp still uses a SiS 6326 8Mb \o/
[0:38] <cousteau> on a Pentium 4 machine, with RAM upgraded from 512 MiB to 1.5 GiB
[0:38] <cousteau> jelly?
[0:39] <cousteau> it renders extreme tux racer at 15-30 FPS!
[0:39] * hamitron faints
[0:39] <hamitron> high fps!
[0:39] <hamitron> ;)
[0:39] <hamitron> UT '99 was the original?
[0:39] <sightlight> I dont think I will do this but i would like to know a PC for the less money posible?
[0:40] <hamitron> than the pi?
[0:40] <_inc> sightlight: http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[0:40] <sightlight> no
[0:40] <haltdef> ??500 will build you a pretty decent gaming desktop
[0:40] <sightlight> see nvm
[0:40] <hamitron> I got a 300MHz i586 thin client for ?7
[0:40] <cousteau> sightlight, well, my netbook was about $250 when I bought it, like 3 years ago
[0:40] <sightlight> it going to suck my power bill.
[0:41] <haltdef> 2p a month maybe
[0:41] <hamitron> about the size of my router
[0:41] <hamitron> :)
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[0:41] <_inc> depends on what games you play. shop smart and only buy what you need
[0:41] <amazoph_> sightlight: can always get a cheap laptop that has dedicated graphics, it won't be great but at least you can play stuff
[0:42] <hamitron> I heard the new intel graphics on laptops are nice
[0:42] <amazoph_> although if you want to play newer games then a desktop is probably the better option
[0:42] <hamitron> and there is also them AMD APU based ones
[0:42] <amazoph_> the difference in quality between mass effect on my desktop vs laptop is pretty major, plus i have to play on low resolution on laptop
[0:43] <^robertj> the trick with games is to always buy them when they are $7.99 or less on Steam :)
[0:44] <sightlight> any one know of linux box already eased than raspberrypi
[0:44] <sightlight> x86?
[0:44] <cousteau> I buy my games when they're $0.00
[0:44] <^robertj> eased?
[0:44] <amazoph_> yup, i almost never buy games outside of sale periods on steam.
[0:44] <_inc> sightlight: released?
[0:44] <amazoph_> sightlight: any recent PC, tbh. driver support in linux is pretty good nowadays
[0:44] <sightlight> huh?
[0:44] <^robertj> amazoph_, I boughta bunch of stinkers this year though, was way dissapointed by Arkham Asylum tbut Fallout 3 was worth its $7, not much more to me though
[0:45] <amazoph_> still worth googling the model you're interested in to check for driver or other support issues
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[0:45] <amazoph_> aye. AA didn't really grab my attention for long
[0:45] <_inc> sightlight: what does "eased" mean. I'm trying to make sense of you sentence
[0:45] <victhor> I bought both Portals for like $11. It was great.
[0:45] <^robertj> if you want to play the latest in games give up and buy a desktop, laptop, or netbook depending on the formfactor you want that has a hdmi out you wont be getting them with the pi
[0:46] <amazoph_> tempted to test Warsow with rasppi, assuming it has an ARM build.
[0:46] <^robertj> pretty much anything that was emulated well in 2003 will run great once everyything gets ported
[0:46] <amazoph_> just to see how slow it renders.
[0:46] <hamitron> I got a spare laptop with P3 1.2ghz, 512mb ram and 64mb geforce4 off ebay for ?55, ideal for cheap gaming
[0:46] <hamitron> :)
[0:46] <_inc> well its not so much that, i dont think there is 1 commercial game that is compiled for arm
[0:47] <_inc> (other than for mobile/vintage systems)
[0:47] <_inc> so in that sense the pi would be out anyways
[0:47] <hamitron> there is also that remote gaming service that may run in the future?
[0:47] <sightlight> I would take the mobo and some other stuff out this netbook and put the Pi in this netbook 11 inch
[0:47] * hamitron stresses "may"
[0:48] <amazoph_> _inc: quake 1/2/3? the engines are open source, idk if there is a port.
[0:48] <_inc> yea, this is true
[0:48] <sightlight> and I wnt to try wrsow too on the Pi
[0:48] <sightlight> is quake engine 3 so it can work
[0:49] <sightlight> any forum talking about putting the Pi on a laptop?
[0:49] <_inc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ forums
[0:49] <sightlight> that would be a nice project
[0:49] <sightlight> where?
[0:49] <sightlight> ..
[0:50] <amazoph_> i have most of a laptop sitting in the corner of my room. if i can get the case back together, that might be workable :D
[0:50] <_inc> sightlight: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum?forum=all&value=laptop&type=1&include=3&search=1
[0:50] <_inc> i used the search feature dude...
[0:51] <hamitron> wasn't that cheap $99 laptop more powerful than the pi? everyone found it too slow too, for what they expected
[0:51] <hamitron> 7" screen
[0:51] <_inc> hamitron: you mean the OLPC?
[0:51] <hamitron> no, it has commercial
[0:51] <cousteau> the $100 laptop that ended up costing like $200
[0:51] <hamitron> came in a linux version, and a windows CE version
[0:52] <_inc> im curious about this laptop now :P
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[0:52] <^robertj> hamitron, a device like this needs custom software to work well - the software from every no-name device like that is universally terrible
[0:53] <hamitron> iirc, does alpine ring any bells?
[0:53] <^robertj> probably some ancient 2.1x version of android or something
[0:53] <_inc> hamitron: this?
[0:53] <_inc> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184709/cherrypal_offers_laptop_for_under_100.html
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[0:54] <hamitron> don't think so, but similar
[0:55] <hamitron> but I think people need to be realistic, this device (pi) is slower than the new smart phones out ;)
[0:55] <_inc> thing is with all these companies claiming this.. to make such a cheap product there would usually need to be a huge quantity ordered in a batch
[0:55] <_inc> and these companies very rarely forecast their finances properly
[0:55] <haltdef> my n900's cpu kicks the ass of the pi's
[0:56] <haltdef> pi's gpu is better though I think
[0:56] <hamitron> haltdef, exactly
[0:56] <^robertj> yes but your n900 is effectively EOL
[0:56] * hamitron wants a n900
[0:57] <^robertj> and that's the big deal about the pi is that I can order 10,000 of them and have htem for years to come in my warehouse
[0:57] <cousteau> does rpi's gpu have some sort of cuda or something?
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[0:57] <cousteau> hmm... wonder if it would be possible to put a spartan-3 on an rpi
[0:57] <haltdef> ^robertj, exactly
[0:57] <hamitron> cousteau, no cudo or opencl, take too much implimenting
[0:57] <^robertj> I think it's just one 1 ath9k usb if away from being a nice wifi mesh endpoint
[0:57] <hamitron> cuda*
[0:58] <^robertj> haltdef, I'm the IT manager for public housing. at $25/ea if I can get the mesh to work right I can charge residents $5/mo for basic internet access and break even
[0:59] <haltdef> oh yea that rings a bell
[0:59] <^robertj> If I provided them a mouse I could let them plug it up to their TV and deliver announcements without having to send stuff snail-mail
[1:01] <hamitron> haltdef, you do much coding on/for the n900?
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[1:01] <haltdef> none
[1:01] <haltdef> it's not my main phone anymore
[1:02] <hamitron> k :)
[1:02] <hamitron> just looks nice to put a proper native linux on
[1:02] <haltdef> it has proper native linux on out of the box
[1:02] <hamitron> yeh
[1:02] <hamitron> but I mean customised
[1:02] <hamitron> :)
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[1:05] <cousteau> well, iirc it's debian-based... maybe it has debian repositories?
[1:05] <cousteau> or can be extended with debian ones
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[1:09] <sightlight> no body know how to conect the screen from the laptop to the Pi
[1:09] * ctyler testing 1080p streaming on the Pi (via NFS!), seems to be holding up just fine.
[1:14] <sightlight> new on raspberrypi website..
[1:14] <sightlight> www.raspberrypi.org
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[1:16] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: MystX and I are currently constructing a board that connects to DVI/HDMI and you can connect a laptop screen to it
[1:17] <sightlight> images?
[1:17] <sightlight> release?
[1:17] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: do you have a place on the web i can follow?
[1:17] <_inc> for this project
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> what do you mean?
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> not atm lol
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> probably should
[1:17] <_inc> bump me when you do :P
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> we're only constructing it though
[1:18] <sightlight> what does that board consist of
[1:18] <sightlight> what is it for?
[1:18] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: would the specs be opensource?
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> someone else gave us the plans lol
[1:18] <_inc> oh ok
[1:18] <_inc> are they open source? :P
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> but I think they are yes
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> or publuc domain at least
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> * public
[1:19] <sightlight> would the raspberrypi be selling the conection for power and light?
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/lvds-interface/page-4
[1:20] <tntexplosivesltd> latest post is board pics
[1:21] <victhor> how many ICs involved in signal conversion?
[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> 2
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[1:21] <victhor> thought so
[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> one from TDMS->TTL, the other TTL -> LVDS
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> so you can take the TTL out for something if you want
[1:25] <^robertj> TL-WN821N looks like a good candidate for mesh ap usage
[1:26] <victhor> yeah that's what I had in mind tntexplosivesltd
[1:28] <sightlight> this nettbok will weight less than what it does not.
[1:29] <sightlight> now*
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[1:32] <haltdef> you'd seriously cripple your netbook like that? :o
[1:33] <sightlight> tnt, how much for your product
[1:33] <sightlight> ?
[1:34] <_inc> i think its more of a hobby project to be honest dude
[1:34] <sightlight> ok
[1:34] <sightlight> im thinking about it
[1:34] <sightlight> and I could really do this
[1:34] <haltdef> I hope you're trolling
[1:35] <sightlight> emphy my netbook
[1:35] <haltdef> your netbook is many times more powerful than the raspi
[1:35] <sightlight> 1366x728 i think
[1:35] <sightlight> it has keyboard
[1:35] <sightlight> trackpad mouse thingy
[1:35] <sightlight> audio
[1:35] <sightlight> SD slow
[1:35] <haltdef> :|
[1:35] <sightlight> sd slot
[1:35] <sightlight> 3x USB
[1:35] <sightlight> lan
[1:36] <sightlight> vga port
[1:36] <haltdef> you realize the sd, usb and lan is soldered
[1:36] <sightlight> i I think I will replace from tv out or HDMI
[1:36] <sightlight> yea I know
[1:36] <sightlight> ill use estentions
[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah it's a hobby project
[1:37] <sightlight> the real deal is conection to the screen.
[1:37] <haltdef> you have to be trolling
[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> you can buy a board off us (we got 4 free) and you can solder one yourself
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[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> my hopes aren'y high tbh
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> whoops, we got 5 free XD
[1:38] <_inc> haltdef: why would you think that. what he intends is entirely possible
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> * aren't
[1:38] <sightlight> Ill even paint my netbook raspberry pi theme
[1:38] <haltdef> I think he's genuinely thinking about destroying his netbook for this
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> why ruin a netbook though
[1:38] <haltdef> just because you can doesn't mean you should etc
[1:38] <sightlight> this laptop has HD and everything yey
[1:39] <_inc> oh, i thought it was dead :P
[1:39] <tntexplosivesltd> so keep it as-is
[1:39] <_inc> yea man
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[1:39] <sightlight> well
[1:39] <_inc> get an old RM machine of ebay or something. gut that instead
[1:39] <sightlight> i got this nettbook last year in January
[1:39] <sightlight> and
[1:39] <sightlight> it had atom GMA 500 pousbo graphics
[1:39] <sightlight> i think i can do this
[1:39] <_inc> so?
[1:40] <sightlight> but in one shot
[1:40] <_inc> you want to gut it?
[1:40] <sightlight> Im going to make a plan for this
[1:40] <tntexplosivesltd> lolol
[1:40] <haltdef> the netbook is higher specced in every way
[1:40] <sightlight> so i dont miss anything
[1:40] <sightlight> good planned
[1:40] <_inc> why not get a dead netbook from ebay, like those that get listed dead for spares and repairs
[1:40] <haltdef> why on earth would you gut it and replace it with a ??22 board?
[1:41] <sightlight> cause this nettbook sucks
[1:41] <tntexplosivesltd> but the R-Pi is worse...
[1:41] <sightlight> this sucks big time
[1:41] <_inc> haltdef: if i was less sentimental, i would put a pi in my commodore 64
[1:41] <sightlight> and it can count as old
[1:41] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah get a dead one from ebay or something
[1:41] <sightlight> 230$ it was
[1:41] <sightlight> brb
[1:41] <haltdef> no, you are using an OS not fit for purpose on it
[1:42] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[1:42] <_inc> i cant wit to see the project thread for this :)
[1:42] <haltdef> "I want to play games on this, I know, let's install linux without 3d graphics drivers on it"
[1:42] <_inc> wait*
[1:42] <haltdef> *why*
[1:42] <tntexplosivesltd> why take a computer that is better specced in every way than the r-pi and destroy it?
[1:43] <sightlight> guys
[1:43] <victhor> your netbook is orders of magnitude more powerful
[1:43] <sightlight> I can do this
[1:43] <sightlight> its old
[1:43] <sightlight> ..
[1:43] <victhor> forget it, pi is not a gaming machine.
[1:43] <_inc> why put a spoiler on a Vauxhall Corsa? some people do things like this :P
[1:43] <sightlight> its works but what ever
[1:43] <victhor> your netbook is much better.
[1:43] <sightlight> The raspberrypi will perform better
[1:43] <tntexplosivesltd> how???
[1:43] <victhor> it won't.
[1:43] <victhor> ALL specs on the Pi are inferior.
[1:43] <victhor> ALL OF THEM
[1:44] <victhor> there's NO WAY it will be faster than the netbook.
[1:44] <tntexplosivesltd> not a chance
[1:44] <_inc> just like a Corsa will perform better with a spoiler right? make it stick to the ground? :)
[1:44] <victhor> :)
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> and the HDD in it is probably SATA, so you'd need a USB adapter
[1:45] <_inc> and then theres the power problem
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> and the wireless etc. is soldered onto the motherboard
[1:46] <_inc> and the keyboard interface
[1:46] <victhor> last netbook I opened had a mini PCIe card
[1:46] <victhor> no, it wasn't a USB card. It did use PCIe lanes
[1:47] * hamitron wonders if so many people will buy the pi, it won't even be "different" or "geeky" to own one...... the appeal will be lost ;)
[1:47] <victhor> hipster :P
[1:47] <tntexplosivesltd> well we'll get a lot more questions
[1:48] <tntexplosivesltd> victhor: nah, there's no pretty aluminium case, and it won't run OSX (yay!)
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[1:49] <tntexplosivesltd> why the hell is twitter telling me to follow all the members of OneDirection
[1:50] <haltdef> holy jesus 00:50
[1:50] <haltdef> bedtime
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[1:51] * hamitron curses haltdef for highlighting him
[1:52] <haltdef> you have "bedtime" on highlight?
[1:52] <_inc> 'jesus' probably :P
[1:52] <haltdef> I got it :P
[1:52] <hamitron> sorry :)
[1:53] <haltdef> nn
[1:53] <hamitron> nn
[1:55] <LiENUS> im having too much fun with this heat shrink tubing
[1:55] <sightlight> took 2 pic of the netbook, IM going to upload them
[1:55] <LiENUS> any tips for creative uses around the house for large (2:1 ratio 15mm, 20mm and 30mm) heat shrink?
[1:57] <_inc> so lets get this straight. An LVDS cable accepts exactly the same signal as DVI right? so why not get a HDMI to DVI converted and then (very carefully) connect the DVI pins to the appropriate LVDS cable input?
[1:57] <victhor> LVDS is not the same thing as DVI
[1:58] <_inc> hmm
[1:58] <victhor> DVI uses differential links too, but the encoded data is different
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[1:59] <_inc> and GPIO pins arent of any use?
[2:00] <victhor> generating the high speed LVDS signals using GPIO... nightmare
[2:00] <victhor> in addition to no GPU acceleration, the constant switching would drive CPU usage crazily high
[2:00] <_inc> oh right. latency issues?
[2:00] <_inc> gotcha
[2:01] <victhor> what you can do, like some person in this channel did, is convert the video streams it outputs by default (in this case HDMI/DVI) into LVDS
[2:01] <MystX> Anyone up for bug testing my rasp-pi project? =P
[2:01] <victhor> although the process may seem awkward as there isn't a IC that does this directly, requiring 2 ICs to convert the signals
[2:01] <victhor> I see no reason why it wouldn't work though...
[2:02] <wwalker> MystX: what project
[2:02] <sightlight> I would like to HDMI from GPIO
[2:02] <MystX> wwalker: http://netfra.me
[2:02] <wwalker> sightlight: what?
[2:02] <_inc> sightlight: why?
[2:03] <victhor> MystX, uh... exploitable? :P
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[2:03] <MystX> victhor: Im hoping not. However I'd like to know if anyone finds any holes
[2:03] <victhor> just wait until some ill-minded individual finds out about it and uploads nasty pictures to your LCD :P
[2:04] <MystX> Well, that's all part of the fun
[2:04] <victhor> :P
[2:04] <MystX> Unless it's CP. In which case we have their IP
[2:04] <_inc> MystX: debugging this would be a good excuse for "revising for my web applications exam"
[2:04] <MystX> _inc: Be my guest.
[2:04] <sightlight> http://imageshack.us/g/201/photo0029bb.jpg/ this is the netbook ill be using
[2:04] <MystX> Don't look too closely at the code
[2:04] <MystX> Also you can upload stuff to netfra.me through curl.
[2:05] <MystX> If you wanted to
[2:05] <victhor> "yeah I have this perfectly good netbook and I want to ruin it"
[2:05] <wwalker> MystX: what do you see now?
[2:05] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh jellyfish
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[2:05] <sightlight> im not going to windows it
[2:05] <MystX> Light-jellyfish
[2:06] <sightlight> lisensing stuff
[2:06] <sightlight> no
[2:06] <sightlight> Linux free.
[2:06] <victhor> huh?
[2:06] <MystX> Lol
[2:06] <MystX> Who needs conjunctions. we're in a hurry
[2:06] <victhor> you want to break your perfectly fine laptop, put a raspberry pi inside it?
[2:06] <victhor> only to make it crappier?
[2:07] <victhor> it doesn't make sense
[2:07] <sightlight> I like this things
[2:07] <hamitron> if you can afford to waste a laptop.... you can afford something better ;)
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: why take apart a motorbike and put a scooter engine in it?
[2:07] <sightlight> leave it to me
[2:07] <MystX> Yessir
[2:07] <sightlight> ill first test out the PI when I get it
[2:07] <victhor> this is like getting a ferrari and sticking a lawnmower engine inside it
[2:07] <sightlight> if it doesnt please my need the netbook stays i guess or not still.
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ninja'd
[2:08] <victhor> :P
[2:08] <_inc> MystX: no source?
[2:08] <MystX> _inc: What do you want source for?
[2:08] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, bad example.... motorbikes handle better than scooters ;)
[2:08] <MystX> As in, what part of it
[2:08] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[2:08] <ShiftPlusOne> excuse me?
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> motorbike do NOT handle better than scooters
[2:09] <_inc> MystX: oh no, i just assumed you wanted people to review the server-side code
[2:09] <MystX> _inc: Na I just want people to use it and see if they can break it
[2:09] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, to the motorbike vs scooter chan! ;)
[2:09] <MystX> (dont try too hard though)
[2:11] <_inc> I'm thinking of putting a Raspberry Pi in my Macbook Pro
[2:11] <_inc> Graphics will somehow be better
[2:11] <LiENUS> ...
[2:11] <_inc> :P
[2:11] <LiENUS> y?
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> why even have a macbook?
[2:11] <hamitron> breaking a Mac.... now there is a reason :D
[2:11] <MystX> Everything will be better
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> I would do that
[2:11] <_inc> sightlight has inspired me
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[2:12] <MystX> I was thinking of gutting my house and just putting an R-Pi in there
[2:12] <tntexplosivesltd> if someone gave a mac I would put an R-Pi in it XD
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[2:12] <_inc> I might power the Rpi via it's standard USB port
[2:12] <tntexplosivesltd> and one in my car, instead of the ECU
[2:12] <MystX> If someone gave me a mac id sell it for huge profits. then buy something useful
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[2:13] <MystX> Then take a picture of said thing and upload it to netfra.me
[2:13] <_inc> MystX: my old macbook only depreciated ??100 when I later sold it
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[2:15] <victhor> lol ARM11 ECU is extremely overpowered
[2:16] <victhor> the MS1 I have uses a ... Motorola 68HC something microcontroller iirc.
[2:16] <tntexplosivesltd> but not specialised in any way
[2:16] <tntexplosivesltd> just forget what U said
[2:16] <_inc> MystX: out of curiousity, how are the photos rotated on your project? are they stored via DB or placed straight to file storage?
[2:16] <tntexplosivesltd> * I said
[2:16] <tntexplosivesltd> they aren't rotated are they?
[2:17] <MystX> _inc: Im not sure what you mean? They're never rotated
[2:17] <_inc> well it was an island picture first, now its your LVDS board
[2:18] <MystX> _inc: A script crops/resizes them with imagemagick for website use
[2:18] <LiENUS> if i expand heat shrink tubing out big enough to slip over my wrist
[2:18] <sightlight> it would be nice that the next rpi is exacly the same output
[2:18] <MystX> Then they're just kept in a folder away from the webserver
[2:18] <LiENUS> then heat it up so it shrinks
[2:18] <sightlight> just disconect the old one and reconect the new one
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> lol I uploaded that after the island
[2:18] <LiENUS> that it'll cut off circulation to my hand?
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUS: =D
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> made me lol
[2:19] <LiENUS> im wearing a heat shrink ring right now
[2:19] <MystX> 0.o
[2:19] <tntexplosivesltd> that is so nerdy
[2:19] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[2:19] <LiENUS> i couldnt shrink it small enough too hot
[2:19] <LiENUS> i need a hair drier
[2:20] <MystX> Man we're almost at 100 images
[2:20] <_inc> MystX: so no database in the backend?
[2:20] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: it shows the latest pic
[2:20] <MystX> _inc: There's a db for storing dates/image names/sizes et
[2:20] <MystX> etc*
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[2:21] <MystX> You can have the code if you want, but it's not pretty
[2:21] <MystX> Only JUST got it working
[2:22] <_inc> well thats just limited my potential exploits :P
[2:22] <MystX> Lol what were you thinking?
[2:22] <victhor> I told you :P
[2:23] <MystX> What?
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> what is with that sightlight guy?
[2:24] <victhor> nothing, I think I was thinking of something else
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> Every day he comes on, and more silliness
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> to put it an a nice way
[2:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * in a
[2:24] <LiENUS> lol snap burned the hair on my hand
[2:25] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
[2:25] <_inc> MystX: just standard SQL injections and whatnot. My friend had a site similar to yours for submitting background ideas for his aquarium. my uni friend somehow managed an injection using the image upload
[2:25] <MystX> ???_???
[2:26] <MystX> Loool
[2:26] <MystX> Yeah everything is escaped properly I'm sorry =P
[2:26] <_inc> dropped tables, all that jazz
[2:26] <MystX> Haha
[2:27] <_inc> MystX: yea, I didnt quite catch that. The victim claimed that all the inputs were sanitized, yet he still managed to do it somehow. postreSQL exploit for a specific build
[2:27] <MystX> Ah.
[2:28] <MystX> Yeah im using mysql
[2:28] <tntexplosivesltd> lol I bet that script I wrote doesn't sanatise...
[2:28] <LiENUS> wonder if i can make a whistle out of heat shrink tubing
[2:30] <LiENUS> not sure what id use for a reed
[2:33] <_inc> heres one??? from what I've read these plug computers (e.g. Sheevaplug, Guruplug) are prone to having their power circuitry burn out quite easily. Would the Raspberry Pi suffed the same problems?
[2:36] <RichiH> will there be an order limit on the first batch?
[2:36] <LiENUS> 1 per address iirc
[2:36] <victhor> yes. 1 unit/person
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't it per household?
[2:37] <RichiH> bleh, we wanted to order more to save on shipping
[2:37] <RichiH> (still one per person, mind)
[2:38] <victhor> I don't know. I know it's 1 unit
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[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> if it's 1 per person, you could have 20 of your alter-egos order 1 each.
[2:40] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[2:40] <mrDragons> I claim MPD.
[2:40] <hamitron> I thought I saw something about ordering 1 for yourself, and 1 for someone else?
[2:40] <Thorn_> btw the dead notebook idea is quite interesting
[2:40] <hamitron> or maybe was just someone suggesting it
[2:41] <Thorn_> er netbooj
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[2:41] <Thorn_> but the screen interface is still a major issue
[2:41] <_inc> i thought it was more interesting that he was willing to kill a netbook to make a lesser netbook of sorts
[2:42] <MystX> Thorn_: Yeah Im working on that atm
[2:43] <Thorn_> cost?
[2:43] <victhor> over 9000? :P
[2:43] <MystX> Kinda a lot
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[2:43] <MystX> Its going to end up about $40NZD per board
[2:44] <Thorn_> more than the price of the pi and its not worth it
[2:44] <MystX> Or a little more
[2:44] <Thorn_> hmm
[2:44] <MystX> Bout the price of a model B prbly
[2:44] <Thorn_> interesting
[2:45] <tntexplosivesltd> we should probably make it use a HDMI connector instead lol
[2:45] <MystX> I just got all but one of the components i was waiting on actually
[2:45] <tntexplosivesltd> * an HDMI
[2:45] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: could make some more boards =P
[2:45] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[2:46] <Thorn_> and this is hdmi to lvds?
[2:46] <MystX> I couldn't be arsed changing them
[2:46] <MystX> Thorn_: yep
[2:46] <Thorn_> thats cool
[2:46] <tntexplosivesltd> well TDMS to LVDS
[2:46] <MystX> Yeah that
[2:48] <Thorn_> i wonder how much a deaf netbook costs
[2:48] <Thorn_> erm
[2:48] <Thorn_> dead
[2:48] <LiENUS> yes
[2:48] <MystX> Mine was free =P
[2:48] <MystX> After I bought the wroking one..
[2:49] <MystX> working*
[2:49] <MystX> It became a broken one for free
[2:49] <Thorn_> ill just drive up to the local tip and get a binned one i think
[2:50] <Thorn_> we used to go scavenging alot but they hired watchguards :(
[2:50] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
[2:51] <Thorn_> yeah its insane, really we were doing them a favour
[2:52] <_inc> just makes the game more challenging i guess
[2:52] <Thorn_> well
[2:52] <LiENUS> if i turn heat shrink tubing inside out will it expand when heated?
[2:52] <ctyler> So the raspi doesn't seem to like uSD-in-adapter at all.
[2:52] <MystX> LiENUS: Definately
[2:53] <LiENUS> ctyler, you have a raspi?
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> that is exactly how it works
[2:53] <Thorn_> try explaining a backpack full of batteries to a cop at 2am riding home on a bicycle
[2:53] <ctyler> LiENUS: beta board for the Fedora tests
[2:53] <LiENUS> oh
[2:53] <LiENUS> i thought maybe you was a buyer from ebay
[2:53] <MystX> Thorn_: Try explain walking along the road with a baseball bat over shoulder, holding a bag full of fireworks
[2:54] <Thorn_> :P
[2:54] <MystX> Its my best achievement to date
[2:55] <_inc> Thorn_: i would ask for a warrant for the search or whatever
[2:57] <Thorn_> haha this is scotland
[2:57] <MystX> Dammit hurry up courier
[2:57] <Thorn_> when you behave like that youre asking for trouble
[2:58] <MystX> Yeah. Im a place where men wear skirts, the laws are obviously not very well set out
[2:58] <MystX> =P
[2:58] <Thorn_> ...
[2:59] * Thorn_ slaps MystX
[2:59] <_inc> Thorn_: oh i thought an overseas counsin :P
[2:59] <MystX> I know they dont actually..
[2:59] <mrDragons> <cockney>Hey, these skirts be manlier than your mother's chest hair, you hear?</cockney>
[2:59] <Thorn_> its not the kilt thats the problem
[3:00] <MystX> Everyone in Scotland wearing a kilt is like everyone here owning sheep
[3:00] <Thorn_> its what you dont wear underneath
[3:00] <MystX> Made out to be way more exciting than it is
[3:00] <MystX> Freeeebaaaallin
[3:00] <MystX> Sorry >_>
[3:00] <mrDragons> heh
[3:00] <Thorn_> i thought you married them there? ;P
[3:00] <_inc> MystX: NZ?
[3:01] <MystX> _inc: yeah
[3:01] <mrDragons> I know a dude who lives there whose friend was arrested for beastality. With sheep. >_>
[3:01] <mrDragons> ewe
[3:02] <MystX> Awkward..
[3:02] <_inc> hiiiiii--ohhhhhhh
[3:02] <MystX> There are really no sheep within.. ~20km of where i am,
[3:02] <Hideki> lol
[3:02] <MystX> at least
[3:02] <hamitron> you treated them that bad?
[3:02] <Hideki> someone was arrested here after being 'on' a horse next to a train track
[3:02] <hamitron> ;)
[3:03] <Hideki> train went past, loads of people photographed him
[3:03] <_inc> whats more common in NZ? the whole sheep thing or "thats where they filmed lord of the rings right? Have you seen hobbits herp derp"?
[3:03] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd would back me up, but i think he's actually working
[3:03] <Hideki> he just shrugged adn got back on, lol
[3:03] <MystX> _inc: Dunno, i dont talk to many people from overseas
[3:03] <MystX> Probably 50/50
[3:04] <_inc> personally, when I hear "New Zealand" i think of Flight of the Conchords
[3:04] <MystX> Middle Earth wasn't far from here actually I think
[3:05] <MystX> _inc: Best show ever
[3:05] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
[3:05] <MystX> Nothing
[3:05] <MystX> Seeing Murray live was pretty great
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> murray?
[3:06] <_inc> havent heard much from the conchords lately
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> ah lol
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate that little git
[3:06] <MystX> Yeah it's pretty much finished
[3:07] <MystX> Want to watch Albi the Racist Dragon.. But Im at work..
[3:07] <_inc> even their stand-up?
[3:07] <MystX> _inc: Uhm.. They did a live show?
[3:07] <MystX> And a movie about their trip to the US for some festival
[3:08] <MystX> Oh, Rhys Darby is still doing stand up
[3:08] <tntexplosivesltd> what's python's exception for trying to cast a string to an int?
[3:08] <tntexplosivesltd> or does it make it 0?
[3:08] <MystX> er..
[3:09] <MystX> ValueError?
[3:09] <MystX> Yes
[3:09] * MystX used the python shell to check like tntexplosivesltd should have
[3:09] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[3:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I forget about it
[3:10] <tntexplosivesltd> can I do a nested try?
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[3:11] <MystX> uuhm
[3:11] <MystX> I think so
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[3:11] <tntexplosivesltd> mean
[3:11] <MystX> Actually na im not sure. google
[3:11] <MystX> But you dont need one?
[3:11] <sightlight> helo
[3:11] <tntexplosivesltd> i looked, I think you can
[3:12] <MystX> Use the outside try, have two excepts
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[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> lol that works too
[3:15] <MystX> Kind of want foosball
[3:16] <tntexplosivesltd> we need that ball =(
[3:16] <MystX> Yeah but to pass the time..
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[4:43] <selvme> Does somebody know about latency on the machine? Realtime kernel patch tested?
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[7:22] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[7:29] <MystX> sshhh
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[8:07] <BarryK> looks like the sopa strike is go
[8:07] <mrDragons> The site is now blacked-out.
[8:07] <mrDragons> ^^ 0_o
[8:08] <MystX> Yup
[8:08] <MystX> Pen test http://netfra.me for me instead?
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[8:10] <mrDragons> Whose site is it?
[8:12] <mrDragons> Well, whois says it belongs to you, so sure
[8:13] <MystX> =D
[8:13] <MystX> I JUST made a thread about it
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[8:18] <MystX> But yeah, should work
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[8:29] <paul-> hehe cool website
[8:29] <paul-> I want a raspberrypi :(
[8:29] <paul-> you should cache what people upload
[8:30] <paul-> I've just uploaded a couple ;)
[8:31] <mrDragons> You're going to end up with a ton of porn on there. :P
[8:32] <paul-> im uploading a few from my cool_pics folder
[8:33] <paul-> ok I'm done, hehe
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[8:40] <MystX> It does keep everything
[8:40] <MystX> mrDragons, that's all part of the fun
[8:51] <mrDragons> I'm determined to get .htpasswd using the image uploading script...
[8:52] <MystX> there isn't a .htpasswd?
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[8:52] <mrDragons> It gives a 403: access denied when I try to open it, not a 404
[8:53] <mrDragons> Although that could just be how apache is set up
[8:53] <MystX> It is
[8:53] <MystX> Sorry to disappoint
[8:53] <mrDragons> Aw. :P
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[9:03] <_inc> scenario: you're aware of the SOPA bs, and appreciate the wikipedia blackout, but really want to access their content.
[9:04] <_inc> solution: bookmarklet to remove the javascript overlay
[9:04] <_inc> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57797808/index.html
[9:05] <rm> ha, and RaspPi website went dark now too
[9:05] <rm> and with a redirect, no less
[9:06] <rm> I'll wish them good luck on waiting for this redirect to expire out of people's proxy and browser caches
[9:07] <rm> good chance it'll be redirecting for a week or more for some visitors
[9:08] <mrDragons> Haha
[9:08] <mrDragons> The raspi will be released this week methinks. XD
[9:12] <Davespice> fingers on buzzers =)
[9:15] <ahven> with the buy one, donate one, they could order the second batch with only half of the first batch sold
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[9:19] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[9:21] <mrDragons> MystX: When the image is uploaded, is there a place where you're storing the image, or is the last picture replaced with the picture just uploaded?
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[9:22] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[9:29] <MystX> mrDragons, there's a place where they're stored
[9:29] <MystX> up one dir from the webroot
[9:31] <mrDragons> FUuuu.
[9:31] <MystX> lol
[9:31] <MystX> It also stores their details with mysql
[9:34] <mrDragons> Blind sql injections get interesting... What kind of details?
[9:34] <MystX> Im off to bed
[9:34] <mrDragons> Nite
[9:34] <MystX> Uhm.. title, size, uploader IP, date/time
[9:35] <MystX> but the title are escaped with PHP =P
[9:35] <MystX> is*
[9:35] <mrDragons> User agent by chance?
[9:35] <MystX> na
[9:35] <MystX> although i might add that..
[9:35] <MystX> But escape it first =)
[9:35] <mrDragons> :P
[9:36] <MystX> night
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[9:39] <mrDragons> Meh, an sql injection in this case would be almost entirely pointless though...
[9:40] <mrDragons> The most harmful thing I could really do is drop the table that has all the stored pictures, and that's just stupid
[9:41] <mrDragons> Maybe get all the uploader IPs or something
[9:41] * mrDragons is talking to self late at night
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[10:17] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: hehe give it a go, see what you can do XD
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[10:24] <tntexplosivesltd> BeholdMyGlory: no thanks
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[10:31] <paul-> mrDragons: you fold any holes yet?
[10:31] <paul-> fold=find
[10:34] <Kostic> Did anyone saw this (http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/)?
[10:34] <Kostic> $15 ARM computer...
[10:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> Kostic it is not $15
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[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> well for a start, it's all chinese
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> and they're taking preorders - not promising
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> probably vapourware
[10:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[10:37] <Kostic> it was funny because they are not charity
[10:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> well even if it's not it will be close to $100
[10:37] <Kostic> I was misinformed that it *will* cost $15
[10:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> the chip may be $15 but you have to add in al lthe other bits like ram , design , conenctioners , building etc
[10:38] <Kostic> scam...
[10:38] <BarryK> their price is reliant on getting 100,000 orders
[10:38] <BarryK> not a scam, just not likely
[10:39] <Kostic> I will then stick to RasPi.
[10:39] <haltdef> I can see the raspi starting a thing tbh
[10:40] <BarryK> well if the allwinner a10 ever materialises you could just get one of those too lol it's not like it's expensive
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> No money changes hands unless there is a tangible product
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> that's my rule
[10:40] <BarryK> a fairly sensible rule
[10:42] <haltdef> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/01/18/0135244/june-6-is-world-ipv6-day-2012-this-time-for-keeps
[10:42] <haltdef> wonder if my isp will do something this time
[10:43] <rm> Allwinner A10 already exists in chinese tablets you can buy today
[10:43] <rm> but I'm tired of the Rhombus Tech guy peddling his stuff everywhere
[10:43] <rm> including every R-Pi article on slashdot
[10:44] <BarryK> he needs those orders bad lol
[10:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes the chip exists but not the rombus
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[10:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> and I cannot see them making it for $15 anyhoo we'll see when it's ready - but I don't expect it anytime before teh end of the year
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[10:56] * RaTTuS|BIG goes crazy without the rpi site .... must troll elsewhere
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> it's driving me mad
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time it is =(
[11:03] <BarryK> 10am here :'(
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[11:09] <rm> the forum is down too
[11:09] <rm> which is unfortunate
[11:09] <rm> there's my question on it, unanswered :)
[11:09] <BarryK> what was the question?
[11:09] <Davespice> it's the sopa protest today isn't it?
[11:10] <BarryK> yeah
[11:10] <rm> about what would be the X.org driver for the GPU
[11:10] <rm> and the amount of video RAM
[11:14] <BarryK> Sorry man I'm drawing a blank on the VRAM and I've no idea what the X.org driver is
[11:14] <BarryK> but if it's going to push 1080p video the vram must be pretty big, I'd guess all the RAM is shared
[11:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/ <- has some ansers about ram
[11:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> btu you dont need very much for a display
[11:18] <rm> the link you mentioned has a Xorg.0.log posted, yes
[11:18] <rm> it shows 4MB of RAM
[11:18] <rm> but that means e.g. no 32-bit color on any good resolution
[11:19] <joukio> afaik the ram is shared between the cpu and the gpu.... and isn't vram dynamically allocateable (so if it needs more, it consumes more)???
[11:19] <BarryK> yeah as far as I know
[11:21] <joukio> well then the question is answered I guess?
[11:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> but 1920 x 1080 x 32bit is 8Mb
[11:21] <joukio> so? you'll have 256MiBi availlable.... - 8MiBi will still leave enough ram for the OS and some apps?
[11:22] <joukio> sorry, the unit is MB.....
[11:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes plenty
[11:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> the ones that have gone out already only show 128MB ram - a new kernal will fix it back to being correct [probably hard coded for testing]
[11:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> back after coffee and cake
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[11:25] <BarryK> but for the sort of minimal distros and homebrew apps we're talking about there's enough RAM to do most things and a small enough amount that you don't get sloppy lol
[11:26] <joukio> guess so indeed. One of the main apps I intend to run is xbmc, and I wonder how well it'll behave in 256-vram memory space...
[11:27] <joukio> xbmc can easily eat 150MB of ram, so that doesn't leave to much space left... on the other hand, it'll be the only app running besides some drivers and ssh for instance.... so it might run ok
[11:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> xbmc has it runing on an rpi last time I looked
[11:27] <BarryK> it'll run like a dog
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[11:27] <joukio> yep they have... can't wait to start testing.
[11:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ that will be mostly cache -
[11:27] <joukio> BarryK: what do you mean by that?
[11:28] <BarryK> playback will be smooth but browsing the menu with artwork and thumbnails will kill it
[11:28] <joukio> why so?
[11:28] <joukio> openGL ES....
[11:28] <joukio> and, I don't need to much fancy artwork and thumbnails, I don't really need them as wel...
[11:29] <BarryK> the video i seen of it running was only on the root menu and cpu was at 100% but then again there's loads of time to optimise it
[11:29] <joukio> but, we'll find out (hopefully very soon)....
[11:29] <joukio> ac
[11:29] <joukio> k
[11:30] <BarryK> yeah thats true, I'm looking forward to getting xbmc on mine too lol
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[11:31] <BarryK> also started a opengl es emulator front end for it but can't do much more until hardware ships :(
[11:34] <Hopsy> raspberry is down :O
[11:37] <Davespice> don't worry Hopsy, its because of the protest against sopa
[11:37] <Hopsy> wait I will also put this on my site :p
[11:45] <Hopsy> hmm :(
[11:45] <Hopsy> there are 122 people on my website :(
[11:45] <Hopsy> should I do this?
[11:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> Hopsy - what url
[11:54] <Davespice> are you going to do the protest as well Hopsy?
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[12:11] <Hopsy> Yes!
[12:11] <Hopsy> huh, what should I write :(
[12:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.kleptones.com/ <- like ?
[12:17] <Hopsy> RaspberryPiBot: http://girlzmagazine.com/strike/ ?
[12:21] <Hopsy> Davespice and RaspberryPiBot?
[12:21] <Hopsy> well :(
[12:24] <Davespice> that's cool =)
[12:28] <Davespice> is it html5 ?
[12:28] <Davespice> I'm loving the shadow...
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[12:52] <Davespice> hey Reggie
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[12:56] <ReggieUK> hi Davespice, didn't see you there :D how's it going?
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[13:09] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[13:11] <Thorn_> what was the key shortcut to restart x
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[13:27] <mrDragons> Wow, I didn't even notice wikipedia blacked out. NoScript ftw.
[13:28] <Davespice> Yeah, you can get to contact for a few moments and then you're off to their protest page
[13:28] <Davespice> content*
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[13:37] <mrDragons> Davespice: It doesn't send you to another page, it's just a javascript overlay. If you disable javascript you can see everything fine. :P
[13:42] <Davespice> oh cool, thanks for that
[13:42] <BarryK> or just press escape before the page loads
[13:44] <ReggieUK> so is this proving a point of some kind, congress is screwed for answers but the hackers can show them how to get what they need from the wikiverse?
[13:46] <Jimf82> SOPA is a joke run by rupert murdoch.
[13:46] <ReggieUK> ahhh, now I understand
[13:46] <Jimf82> I have nothing agaisnt him either, i just think this sucks
[13:46] <ReggieUK> how the hell did the americans let that asshat push through something like this given all teh bad press he's had recently
[13:47] <ReggieUK> him and bradley manning holiday together, the amount of hacking the guys have done between them
[13:48] <Jimf82> phone hacking... dialing someones answer machine and choosing the default code genius
[13:48] <ReggieUK> intercepted emails, bin diving for peoples intimate details
[13:48] <Jimf82> no doubt going through their rubbish also
[13:48] <ReggieUK> easy to do, pretty disgusting individual to allow it to happen at his papers
[13:49] <Jimf82> Yeh but it made him millions of $$$
[13:49] <ReggieUK> oh well, that's ok then, as long as someone made money from the misery he peddled.... sheesh
[13:50] <Jimf82> For me you will never stop piracy, I always buy games a enjoy and i been gaming since the 80s
[13:50] <haltdef> they seem to assume one pirate = one lost sale
[13:50] <haltdef> not true at all
[13:51] <ReggieUK> it's only a lost sale if that person was going to purchase
[13:51] <Jimf82> Its like the politicians and the banks in england stealing money from the Tax payer, if that was a normal person we would be in jail
[13:52] <ReggieUK> well, some politicians did end up in jail
[13:52] <Jimf82> yeh but not enough
[13:52] <ReggieUK> but agreed on the bankers
[13:52] <Jimf82> some guy claimed 20k for a duck house in his garden
[13:52] <Jimf82> Cant help but laugh, but it is crazy
[13:53] <ReggieUK> indeed, not sure what it has to do with murdoch and piracy though?
[13:53] <Jimf82> dunno i just started ranting
[13:54] <mrDragons> Wait, is he really behind that whole bill? This is new to me
[13:54] <Jimf82> I dont know but he is supporting it
[13:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.poopsenders.com/order/
[13:55] <Jimf82> i should change my ISP from sky seeing as im having a go at him lol
[13:56] <ReggieUK> as he doesn't own all of sky I am happy to take stuff back from him
[13:56] <ReggieUK> and I'm locked into a contract for another 3 months
[13:57] <Jimf82> For me sky internet/tv always been good so i wont change
[13:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> pffth just use freesat
[13:59] <ReggieUK> I will use freesay or freeview (when they finally turn it on)
[13:59] <ReggieUK> freesat*
[13:59] <Jimf82> What channels u get on it
[14:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-you-get/our-channels
[14:00] <Jimf82> nice just looking
[14:00] * RaTTuS|BIG gone back tomorrow
[14:01] <Jimf82> Id miss the sky channels though to be fair
[14:01] <ReggieUK> 80% dross on freesat by the looks
[14:01] <ReggieUK> no dave?
[14:02] <Hideki> this is why I dont' watch broadcast tv
[14:02] <Hideki> it's all crap
[14:02] <haltdef> encrypted on satellite
[14:02] <Hideki> and costs ?150/year
[14:02] <haltdef> there's more uk spot beam capacity now so they might go free to air
[14:02] <Hideki> the few decent programmes can be seen on iplayer, just not immediately
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[14:02] <haltdef> lose out on the payout from sky though so mebbe not :P
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[14:06] <Jimf82> Actually i think the only programe i would miss on sky is Broadwalk empire
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[14:08] <haltdef> you can get that .. elsewhere
[14:09] <ReggieUK> I watch sky without a card
[14:09] <ReggieUK> so I don't actually watch sky
[14:09] <ReggieUK> just all the FTA stuff
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[14:10] <haltdef> I piggyback on my parents' subscription
[14:10] <haltdef> sky card in a non-sky box, can do whatever I want with recordings, drop channels I never watch from my epg
[14:15] <Jimf82> i used to take my sky card to my sisters where she had just the fta channels and get all my sub but i think they changed it
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[14:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
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[14:19] <haltdef> they need pairing for sports and movies
[14:19] <haltdef> my box can read the box id from the card :P
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[14:39] <ukscone> morning all
[14:40] <Davespice> morning ukscone
[14:40] <Davespice> afternoon here though
[14:42] <IT_Sean> morning
[14:43] <ukscone> wonder what time the website will come back? midnight UK time or midnight pacific time (liz and eben are in california)
[14:43] <ukscone> morning IT_Sean
[14:44] <ukscone> that's the last time i post a blog post about the raspberry pi :) the 65k hit attempts turned my sever to a puddle of melted iron and plastic :)
[14:44] <IT_Sean> is raspi blacking out too?
[14:44] <IT_Sean> err... the raspi website, that is
[14:44] <ukscone> yup
[14:44] <ukscone> they going the whole hog -- no see it once then get on
[14:44] <ukscone> they took it down completely
[14:45] <IT_Sean> eep!
[14:46] <IT_Sean> if they've used the sopastrike JS header for the redirect, the site will be back up at 8PM US EST
[14:48] <ukscone> yup
[14:48] <ukscone> i used the down with sopa plugin
[14:48] <ukscone> you get to see the message once then it lets you through
[14:49] <IT_Sean> neat
[14:49] <ukscone> anyone have a qr reader on their phone?
[14:49] <Dagger3> ukscone: annoyingly however it redirects such that the original URL you were trying to get to is lost :(
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[14:50] <ukscone> i checked it using online qr readers and it seemed to work but not tried it with a phone cam to see if it works
[14:50] <Dagger3> works on my phone
[14:50] <ukscone> Dagger3: try the exact same url again and you go straight through
[14:50] <ukscone> it sets a cookie
[14:50] <ukscone> :)
[14:51] <Dagger3> I don't *have* the URL though
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[14:51] <ukscone> Dagger3: great -- wasn't 100% sure as it is a bit smoothe doff and wrong colour
[14:51] <Dagger3> (because I middle-clicked a link then closed the tab with the link in it)
[14:51] <ukscone> Dagger3: ah well we can't deal with the 1% who don't use the interwebs correctly :)
[14:53] <ukscone> ok that's better, seems to be a major memleak in php so limiting apache's stuff seems to help
[14:53] <ukscone> mem usage is staying stable
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[15:00] <ukscone> oh god is it only 9am?
[15:01] <IT_Sean> yup.
[15:01] <IT_Sean> 9.01am, to be pedantic
[15:01] <ukscone> how many milliseconds?
[15:02] <IT_Sean> dunno... i'm not that anal.
[15:03] <ukscone> i am :)
[15:05] <zabomber> you into anal?
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[15:05] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[15:11] <IT_Sean> zabomber: me? shit no.
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[15:23] <Hopsy> [12:28:18] <Davespice> is it html5 ?
[15:23] <Hopsy> [12:28:33] <Davespice> I'm loving the shadow...
[15:23] <Hopsy> Davespice: hmm which site?
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[15:49] <Davespice> Hopsy: http://www.kleptones.com/ this one
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[16:17] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[16:18] <ukscone> bored bored bored i bet liz just wanted a day off to go sightseeing really rather than supporting anti-sopa :)
[16:20] <WASDx> haha
[16:21] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:22] <ukscone> they are both now on the west coast. eben had to go to another thing at broadcom hq so liz is wandering the streets looking for chocolate and stuff to do
[16:22] <ukscone> @qikipedia
[16:22] <ukscone> The QI Elves
[16:22] <ukscone> It took 33 years after toilet paper was invented until it could be sold as 'splinter free'
[16:22] <ukscone> eek
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[16:29] * IT_Sean reboots one of the office servers w/ the fommowing reboot message: "THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO SERVERS THAT DO NOT COOPERATE!"
[16:29] <Caver> *grins*
[16:29] <Caver> was this a toggle UPS style rebooting?
[16:30] <ReggieUK> or a roundhouse reboot?
[16:31] <IT_Sean> it was a start menu > restart type of reboot
[16:32] <IT_Sean> and my goodness... this whore of a server takes a looong time to boot.
[16:32] <djazz> if the pi dont have a power button, how will i start it? when plugging in?
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[16:32] <IT_Sean> djazz: if it's plugged in, it's on.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> .. that information is in at least 5 places on the website.
[16:33] <Caver> which to be fair isn't online today ... is it!
[16:33] <Caver> SOPA ...
[16:33] <ReggieUK> connect gnd to the gnd pin, wet both hands, hold onto the +ve wire from your power source, touch 5v pin
[16:33] <IT_Sean> oh... right. sorry.
[16:33] <ReggieUK> if you want to turn it off, let go
[16:33] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: :p
[16:33] <Caver> ahahaha
[16:34] <ReggieUK> sorry :D couldn't resist
[16:34] <Caver> thats up there with SCSI buses only working, after the correct chantings, 12 black candles and a goat sacrifice
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[16:35] <ReggieUK> I could've been mean and said touch 5v pin with your tongue
[16:35] <Caver> mind you when I was a kid in electronics class, the correct way to test if your CMOS circuit was misbehaving due to low battery, was to put the 2 terminals across your tounge and see if it tingled ...
[16:36] <Caver> can't quite imagine that being allowed now
[16:37] <IT_Sean> That was the approved method ofr testing 9v batteries in one of my geekier classes in high school.
[16:37] <IT_Sean> *for
[16:38] <Caver> :)
[16:39] <IT_Sean> ... ... ... The suppert person at Evil Three Letter Company that is working on my issue with their soffware is Chia P Ett
[16:39] <IT_Sean> That... is epic.
[16:58] <Caver> does anyone know if the Pi have a reset pin?
[16:58] <IT_Sean> iirc, it does not.
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[16:59] <ReggieUK> remove finger from 5v pin, replace finger on 5v pin
[16:59] <IT_Sean> you 'reset' it via the mechanical voltage modulation method
[16:59] <IT_Sean> (unplug it, plug it back in)
[16:59] <ReggieUK> you could of course use on of the gpio and program a button to reboot it once it's in linux
[17:00] <IT_Sean> or just wire in a normally closed momentary button on the power lead
[17:00] <ReggieUK> oooh, would that work?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> It should. :p
[17:00] <IT_Sean> be the same as unplugging it, no?
[17:00] <ReggieUK> hokey science if you ask me
[17:00] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:01] <IT_Sean> I plan on making a case for mine, and just because i can, i am going to use a key switch to turn it on and off. :p
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[17:01] <ReggieUK> are you gonna put a big red button on with 'do not push the red button' underneath it?
[17:01] <Caver> though ... might not want to bounce the power lines too fast - can upset things
[17:02] <IT_Sean> no. Won't need to. You'd need the key to power it on/off :p
[17:02] <ReggieUK> someone would still press it
[17:02] <ReggieUK> this way you can find out who the button pressers are
[17:02] <IT_Sean> I have a decision to make, though. I have two switches. One allows the key to be removed in either position, and the other only allows it to be removed in one position.
[17:02] <ReggieUK> removed in either
[17:02] <selvme> It could trash the flash on a SD card if you turn of power while in a write. Better supply a power down button on a GPIO doing "shutdown -h now" or similar, first.
[17:02] <IT_Sean> the captive position can be either on or off.
[17:03] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: that's the way i was leaning.
[17:03] <ReggieUK> otherwise you have to leave other keys laying around with your key or have a single key roaming free, easily stolen
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[17:03] <IT_Sean> although, i had thought of using the other one, and having it only removable in the ON position. Thus, you couldn't switch it off without the key.
[17:03] <IT_Sean> good point.
[17:04] <IT_Sean> non captive key it is then.
[17:04] <ReggieUK> good choice :)
[17:04] <Caver> Tivo always had a good way of doing it .. it had the main booting, /bin, /etc etc all on a read only partition, and only data was written to /var which was a seperate partition and mounted read/write
[17:05] <Caver> and that could the be set to be regularly rsync'd to a backup server somewhere
[17:06] <IT_Sean> I guess you need at least part of the SD card to be wiritable for cache and such?
[17:06] <ReggieUK> leapfrog did that too
[17:06] -RichiH- [Global Notice] Hi all. We just blogged about SOPA/PIPA on http://blog.freenode.net/2012/01/on-sopapipa/ and suggest you join ##sopa if you are interested in these proposed bills or other discussion around this general topic. As always, have a nice day and thanks for flying freenode air!
[17:06] <Caver> depends ... do you need a swap for what your doing ...if you can avoid it ... it'll be a lot more reliable
[17:07] <ReggieUK> swap is not a good idea on sd cards apparently
[17:07] <ReggieUK> or flash
[17:08] <MichaelMalus> Too many writes reducing the lifetime?
[17:08] <Caver> ish ... it's not a huge problem in real life
[17:08] <IT_Sean> I'm planning on running XBMC for mdia playback
[17:09] <Caver> nods .. well in that case you wouldn't want it swapping as any time it does, the IO will probably kill and and all video performance anyway
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[17:11] <Caver> though touch wood, my Acer EEE901 with SSD (rather slow SSD) has been running with swap on it for years now, and still seems ok
[17:12] <IT_Sean> I might just write protect the SD card & see what happens.
[17:12] <haltdef> SSDs aren't nearly as fragile as people think
[17:13] <IT_Sean> most electronics aren't
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[17:13] <Caver> mind you I know a SSD controller will defo spread writes out and wear level things ... does a SD card do that or is it dumber
[17:13] <Caver> as they were designed for camera use originally
[17:13] <haltdef> SD cards do wear leveling but not much else
[17:13] <Caver> right
[17:14] <Caver> odd bit of trivia ... the write protect tab on a SD card does nothing to the card itself ... it's down to the card reader's driver to ignore writes (or not!)
[17:14] <IT_Sean> I knew that!
[17:16] <Caver> nice thing with linux, is you can mount a file system as readonly, and the kernel won't let anything even try writing
[17:16] <Caver> but you can remount the main filesystem as read/write with a simple command if you suddenly need to
[17:16] * IT_Sean needs to slim down the collection of devices in his office... They must be multiplying
[17:16] <Caver> LOL
[17:16] <Caver> are you leaving them in the dark too long?
[17:16] <IT_Sean> All night every night
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[17:18] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
[17:21] <traeak> sopa blackout
[17:22] <Caver> I know ... I'm in withdrawal
[17:23] * IT_Sean administers raspi website substute via IV drip
[17:35] <Caver> is it bad that I've resorted to reading wikipages using en.m.wikipedia.org instead
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[17:35] <DaQatz> Screw that, just give me the hardware.
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[17:39] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: no available yet
[17:40] <DaQatz> GIVE ME!
[17:40] <haltdef> Caver, could just disable javascript
[17:40] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: NO.
[17:40] <DaQatz> NOA!
[17:41] <Caver> I can?
[17:46] <Caver> that works great ... well done :)
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[18:01] <ukscone> http://theoatmeal.com/sopa
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[18:08] <Caver> ahahah thats great
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[18:13] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu/experimental/raspi_three/ <-- try in chrome or firefox, uses WebGL. It's the raspi sketchup model
[18:14] <traeak> chromium doesn't seem to do it
[18:16] <djazz> error?
[18:19] <djazz> traeak: error?
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[18:22] <traeak> nope...just loading model... message and that's it
[18:22] <traeak> hmm
[18:22] <traeak> i guess it's been *ages* since i rebooted...
[18:22] <IT_Sean> define ages?
[18:22] <traeak> nah, glxinfo works fine
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[18:23] <traeak> chromium != chrome i guess
[18:23] <IT_Sean> I tired to go an entire year once, without rebooting. Made it 363 days before i accidentally installed software updates, thus causing my machine to reboot.
[18:23] <IT_Sean> *tried
[18:23] <traeak> don't instlal updates :-p
[18:23] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i was tired, and wasn't really paying attention to the dialog box. Just clicked OK.
[18:23] <IT_Sean> :/
[18:24] <djazz> i have only 0.5 mbit up...
[18:24] <djazz> thats maybe why
[18:24] <djazz> traeak: open dev tools, press network and reload
[18:24] <Davespice> I've tried it and it says my video driver doesn't support WebGL
[18:24] <traeak> gf240 nvidia drivers
[18:30] <djazz> traeak: added a percent progress indicator
[18:30] <djazz> try now
[18:33] <djazz> anyone got the exact measurements of the raspi board?
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[18:33] <djazz> this sketchup file isnt correct
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> there was a post on reddit
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> but SOPA
[18:34] <traeak> ahh getting percentage on the model loading
[18:34] <djazz> traeak, slow?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Someone put up a picture of the board on top of a set of rulers
[18:34] <traeak> djazz: yes
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[18:34] <djazz> i think someone did that
[18:34] <traeak> djazz: i have about 60-80MiB down here
[18:34] <traeak> djazz: much better now that i waited...how big is this file ??
[18:35] <djazz> http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2012/01/15/raspberry-pi-measurements-dimensions/
[18:35] <djazz> its 3.7 Mb
[18:36] <djazz> my upspeed is about 0.5 Mbit/s
[18:38] <traeak> that woudl do it then
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[18:45] <djazz> traeak: screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/9U5wf.png
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[19:04] <djazz> if a wireless usb adapter work on x86 linux, will it work on arm linux?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> djazz: only if it works without ndiswrapper
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> djazz: if you need ndiswrapper, it will only work on x86
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[19:05] <djazz> ubuntu got a list of devices it supports
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[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Most should be fine these days
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[19:06] <djazz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink#USB
[19:06] <Caver> I expect so, but I don't think ubuntu runs on the Pi
[19:06] <Caver> the need a different type of Arm chip I believe
[19:06] <Caver> debian will though
[19:06] <djazz> i know ubuntu dont run on arm
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Caver: Ubuntu has a nice hardware compat list though
[19:07] <Caver> http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi debian's
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[19:08] <MartijnVdS> djazz: the "ndiswrapper" ones on that list won't work. Go for something with "atheros" (ar<number>) chip, that driver is good.
[19:08] <djazz> im thinking of DWA-140
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Too bad it's impossible to get Intel on USB sticks :)
[19:09] <djazz> it seems to have good support
[19:09] <djazz> and range
[19:09] <djazz> and speed
[19:09] <djazz> :P
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> djazz: should be fine, but the driver (rt2xxxx) might be wonky on arm. I don't know.
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[19:43] <zgreg> ndiswrapper... I think I heard about that the last time 4-5 years ago
[19:44] <zgreg> it's completely unacceptable if a chipset only works with ndiswrapper, I consider these not supported
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: it still exists, for the most exotic of wifi chips
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> dealextreme has some VERY tiny wifi dongles
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> wonder if those work
[19:45] <zgreg> well, very few ones need ndiswrapper
[19:45] <zgreg> and certainly all chipsets that are mainstream are supported
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[19:47] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-b-g-150mbps-wi-fi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-black-71905
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> with rt5370 chip :)
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[19:48] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[19:48] <zgreg> that's neat, but I suppose reception will be quite bad
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> yeah unless you mount it on top of the AP
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> unless it uses GND as its antenna :)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> (or +v%)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> +5V
[19:50] <zgreg> well you probably won't have diversity at least
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: hence the 150mbit max
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[19:50] <zgreg> you need at least 3 antennas for > 150 mbps, but even cheap chipsets support at least two antennas
[19:51] <zgreg> but there's so little space in that adapter the second antenna connection is likely unused...
[19:51] <haltdef> ugh 150mbps
[19:51] <haltdef> pretend wifi
[19:51] <zgreg> hm?
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: you don't remember pre-standard 802.11 do you :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> 1-2 mbit max
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> DSSS
[19:52] <zgreg> yeah, kids these days...
[19:53] <IT_Sean> back in my day you got your internet over a wire.
[19:53] <Caver> I certainly do
[19:53] <zgreg> I still use and old and trusty 802.11g AP at home
[19:53] <haltdef> 3 stream 802.11n over 5ghz here
[19:53] <zgreg> it's definitely more than adequate for browsing the web
[19:53] <haltdef> can't wait to get my hands on 802.11ac kit :P
[19:53] * IT_Sean still uses 802.11b w/ his laptop
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: I still get my internet over a wire.. a VERY nice wire soon
[19:53] <IT_Sean> MartijnVdS: fiberoptic?
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: shiny 500/500mbit fibre to the home
[19:53] <IT_Sean> oooooooh
[19:54] <IT_Sean> yeah... i've got a fiber connection @ home
[19:54] <zgreg> haltdef: I still prefer CAT5 cable :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how the IXes will cope once it's rolled out countrywide
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: poor cats
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[19:54] <haltdef> a wire is not practical everywhere
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[19:54] <haltdef> nobody wires up there house only to plug laptops in :P
[19:54] <zgreg> haltdef: right, but it's the faster and more reliable option
[19:54] * MartijnVdS manages a wifi net for a camping.. it's great fun usually
[19:54] <zgreg> often the investment pays off quite quickly
[19:55] <haltdef> I use wires wherever possible, desktops here are wired
[19:55] <IT_Sean> me too
[19:55] <IT_Sean> wired where i can
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> Trees attenuate the signal quite a bit
[19:55] <haltdef> laptops are not, I just use the best wireless possible for those :P
[19:55] <haltdef> ~240mbps throughput
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: not where I live
[19:55] <haltdef> wat
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> I see ~200 nets on 2.4Ghz, ~20 on 5
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> crowdedness--
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> I get 50mbit tops
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> on 5GHz N/300
[19:56] <haltdef> not all APs are equal :P
[19:56] <haltdef> my wndr3300 does 5ghz and did about 50mbps
[19:56] <zgreg> haltdef: yeah, but I've seen people that thought they could save a bit money by not wiring the house, only to find out that wireless wasn't adequate later on
[19:57] <haltdef> yea that never works, I've got cable runs for static machines
[19:57] <haltdef> wireless is more than enough everywhere else
[19:57] <zgreg> I mean you probably don't want to move gigabytes of data between a NAS and a PC over wireless
[19:58] <haltdef> it's not too painful when it's coming down at 30MB/s
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> I've wired my TV because HD streaming from my NAS was flaky over wifi
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> but that might just be the wifi nic in the TV being shite
[19:58] <zgreg> well, drop-outs are a typical wifi issue
[19:58] <haltdef> never experienced one
[19:58] <zgreg> especially at 2.4 ghz
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: find a neighborhood like mine with 200 networks :)
[19:59] <haltdef> that's why 5ghz is a good thing :>
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: you'll lose a frame now and then, even if your AP is set to several watts of amplification :)
[19:59] <zgreg> haltdef: the 2.4 ghz band is full of crap, it's not unusual to have something interference momentarily
[19:59] <traeak> yuk adding pgp keys to arch pacman is a pita
[20:00] <haltdef> the 2.4ghz radio on the AP is set to 300mbps but it's too congested for it to spread out further than 150mbps though
[20:00] <zgreg> but unfortunately much hardware doesn't support 5 ghz
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: I have a wi-spy. 2.4 band looks SCARY
[20:00] <traeak> all the failed pgp key imports
[20:00] <haltdef> 5ghz is 450mbps all the time though
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: until you have walls made of concrete in your house
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: or floors
[20:00] <haltdef> multiple APs!
[20:00] <haltdef> starting to get a lil expensive ????
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: wires to the APs of course, WDS only brings down performance
[20:01] <haltdef> ofc
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[20:04] <zgreg> repeating works well with multiple radios :p
[20:04] <zgreg> but that's also kinda expensive
[20:04] <MystX> Morning
[20:04] <koaschten> each hop in a wds cuts your bandwidth in half.
[20:04] <zgreg> or you can wire up two APs, one in AP mode, one in client mode :D
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: I've done that actually
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> zgreg: as backhaul for the 2.4 APs on the camping :)
[20:07] <zgreg> koaschten: if you're limited to a single radio, yes. and that's the best possible case - i.e. usually it's way worse...
[20:08] <haltdef> wireless keyboards and mice baffle me for normal desktop setups
[20:09] <zgreg> WDS is pretty crappy overall, though, since it's not really standardized
[20:09] <haltdef> extra effort for charging when they move a few inches around the desk, just run a wire :P
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[20:11] <IT_Sean> haltdef: i have a wired keyboard, but a wireless mouse for my home desktop
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> What RPi 2.0 needs is bluetooth then
[20:12] <zgreg> bluetooth is cheap, to
[20:13] <zgreg> *too
[20:13] <traeak> bootoof dongles are dirt cheap
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> yes but it costs an USB port
[20:13] <traeak> there's a license fee associated with putting bootoof on your device
[20:13] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[20:13] <traeak> well adding bootoof chip costs extra PCB space, more traces, more testing, etc
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> traeak: bottom of PCB is almost unused ;)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> it could come in a combined chip like the LAN port comes with a built-in USB HUB
[20:15] <zgreg> have you heard about the strange company that wants to make a USD 15 priced board with a pretty powerful SoC?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> No?
[20:15] <zgreg> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
[20:16] <zgreg> this looks like vaporware, though
[20:16] <traeak> there's lots of qualifications around the $15
[20:16] <zgreg> well, it's a combination of vaporware and too-good-to-be-true
[20:16] <traeak> and they show jack for understanding PCB design, traces, etc
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> I'll stick with the R-Pi for now thanks :)
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> not even vaporware.... I don't know what's a step below vaporware.
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> an idea I guess
[20:16] <zgreg> their calculations are rather wacky
[20:17] <traeak> btw you'll notice their initial pricing is more like $100 or more
[20:17] <traeak> *if* they get volume (like millions) they could hit 15USD
[20:17] <traeak> i'm sure the rpi could do better if they ordered in batches of 1 million
[20:17] <zgreg> traeak: which they'll never get
[20:17] <ShiftPlusOne> at which point they'll discover that they'd rather keep selling them for $100
[20:18] <traeak> zgreg: rpi or the allwhiner guys ?
[20:18] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: so, yet another beagleboard? :)
[20:18] <zgreg> traeak: allwinner
[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, was beagleboard ever meant to be cheap?
[20:18] <zgreg> traeak: but rpi will probably also never go "mass volume"
[20:19] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: no, the beaglebone is supposed to be cheap, though
[20:19] <IT_Sean> it isn't.
[20:19] <traeak> beagleboard may well see their demand drop, not that there's likely *that* much demand
[20:19] <IT_Sean> the beagleboner costs nearly $100
[20:19] <zgreg> yeah, they removed a bit too many features
[20:19] <traeak> TI is subsidizing it
[20:19] <haltdef> beaglebone doesn't even have a display out port does it
[20:19] <traeak> nope
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[20:20] <traeak> rpi's biggest weakness is the lack of VGA port
[20:20] <zgreg> haltdef: you need and add-on card for that.. which is quite expensive :D
[20:20] <haltdef> there's a little nettop somewhere I wouldn't mind playing with, tegra 2 based
[20:20] <traeak> for others competing against it
[20:20] <zgreg> tegra2? lol
[20:20] <traeak> yeah, not cheap though
[20:20] <zgreg> tegra2 is crap
[20:20] <haltdef> why
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> nvidia
[20:20] <zgreg> slow gpu
[20:20] <zgreg> no NEON
[20:20] <haltdef> ic
[20:20] <zgreg> crappy video decoding no (1080p)
[20:21] <traeak> i think the e350 based barebones thingies are about the same price and blow the tegra2 nettop out of the water
[20:21] <zgreg> traeak: yes, absolutely, but they also eat a lot more power
[20:21] <traeak> tegra2 isn't *that* bad... it seems to be faster than the AM logic single core cortex a9
[20:22] <zgreg> keep in mind that two cortex-a9 cores are only about as fast as a single intel atom core (with HT)
[20:23] <traeak> phoronix did a benchmark run of the tegra2 nettop against atom procs
[20:23] <traeak> against the n270, etc it fares pretty well
[20:23] <zgreg> yes, but single-threaded performance sucks
[20:23] <zgreg> and that matters for man use cases, like web browsing
[20:23] <zgreg> *many
[20:24] <zgreg> but still, did you say phoronix?
[20:24] <traeak> what's wrong with phoronix?
[20:24] <zgreg> a lot
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> they like hype a lot
[20:25] <traeak> of course, to get hits
[20:25] <zgreg> and that benchmark especially is totally flaky, since the ubuntu version they use doesn't work correctly on the pandaboard es
[20:25] <traeak> no one else seems to care about benching atom vs arm
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[20:25] <zgreg> phoronix should definitely question and investigate the strangely bad results for the pandaboard, but of course they didn't
[20:26] <traeak> that's why they have forums, to try to help correct this stuff
[20:26] <zgreg> well, the damage is already done
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[20:41] <WASDx> kernel 3.2 is in the archlinux core repo now
[20:41] <MystX> =O
[20:41] <MystX> Ooooh shiny
[20:41] <WASDx> and as stable on kernel.org
[20:42] <Thorn_> 2.6.38 4 life
[20:42] <WASDx> haha
[20:42] <WASDx> kernel.org mentions 2.6.39
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> 3.2 on Ubuntu Precise now :)
[20:45] <MystX> Any cool things added?
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[20:45] <MartijnVdS> power savings on Intel laptops
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> and on laptops with broken bioses (the "laptop power bug" was fixed)
[20:47] <MystX> Yuss, I have an intel laptop
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> MystX: intel video too?
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> biggest savings are in SandyBridge or newer intel video
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> (40% less power usage in the graphics subsystems on SB)
[20:50] <MystX> Wow
[20:50] <MystX> Na i have an intel atom
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> never hurts to try though does it :)
[20:50] <MystX> Nope
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> they're systematically testing all the power management bits and optimizing them
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> also, programs that wake up too often
[20:50] <MystX> Ill update as soon as i get back to uni and get some proper internet
[20:51] <MystX> Which is apparently going to be hard
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[20:51] <MystX> $250 a month for 200GB?
[20:51] <MystX> No thank you
[20:52] <traeak> powertop is good at detecting hogs
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> traeak: yeah they use that
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> traeak: let me find the blog post
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2012/01/improving-battery-life-in-ubuntu.html
[20:54] <MystX> How much is net in the US?
[20:54] <traeak> too much?
[20:54] <traeak> actually not that bad
[20:54] <traeak> cheapest commercial line here via cable lines is $60/mo (not counting taxes and fes, etc)
[20:54] * MartijnVdS will be paying ???80ish for unlimited 500/500mbit fibre later this year
[20:54] <traeak> that should be like a 12/5 line
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> (/month)
[20:55] <MystX> MartijnVdS: WTF. I am jealous
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> MystX: come to .nl :)
[20:55] <slaeshjag> MartijnVdS: That's pretty cheap :o
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> slaeshjag: yeah, 100/100 will be even cheaper
[20:55] <slaeshjag> MartijnVdS: I pay ???27 for 100/100
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> slaeshjag: that's reasonable :)
[20:55] <MystX> a 10/1 mbit line here is $60 a month for 10GB
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> slaeshjag: whereabouts?
[20:56] <slaeshjag> MartijnVdS: Sweden
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> MystX: Ouchies
[20:56] <MystX> Yup..
[20:56] <traeak> you have transfer limits
[20:56] <traeak> none of that here
[20:56] <MystX> thats 10 down, 1 up
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> slaeshjag: Cool. Still need to visit that country some day :)
[20:57] <MystX> I can get unlimited, but they alocate a max bandwidth for every customer on the plan
[20:57] <traeak> we're getting *right now* 34/26 i think this is 80USD/mo
[20:57] <MystX> so it's f-ing slow
[20:57] <traeak> i haven't run into a mainstream website that can't sustain more than 2.5MiB/s
[20:58] <MystX> Yeah. I hate my country
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> so leave it :)
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[20:58] <MartijnVdS> it's just a place :)
[20:59] <MystX> Unfortunately im half way through a degree
[20:59] <MystX> And have no money
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[20:59] <MartijnVdS> MystX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TDYtMt5IJpg#t=42s
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[21:00] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
[21:00] <MystX> AlsoYes..
[21:00] <MystX> Anything is more fun than a spreadsheet
[21:01] <MystX> Blowtorching your own nipples off is more fun than a spreadsheet
[21:01] <IT_Sean> well... i dunno about that
[21:01] <IT_Sean> I am rather attached to my nipples.
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[21:01] <MystX> Most people are
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: not anymore, once you've blowtorched them off
[21:01] <MystX> That's what the blowtorch is for
[21:01] <IT_Sean> See... i am pretty sure that torching off my own nippily bits would be less fun that building a spreadsheet
[21:02] <MystX> Its not, ive tried
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[21:03] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HealItWithFire
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[21:05] <MystX> lol
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[21:08] <MystX> mrDragons: I assume you didnt bust your way in last night?
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[21:10] <MystX> How long until the site is back up? >_<
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> until you fix your senate?
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[21:11] <IT_Sean> IF they are using the anti-sopa JS header, 8pm US EST
[21:12] <MystX> What is it now, 3:12pm?
[21:13] <IT_Sean> 3:13
[21:13] <MystX> Close
[21:13] <mrDragons> MystX: Nah, not yet. I went to bed like 10 minutes after you went though, I'll take another go at it after I get some coffee
[21:13] <MystX> What am i meant to do at work for 5 hours?
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[21:14] <MystX> mrDragons: Sweet.
[21:14] <IT_Sean> work?
[21:14] <MystX> IT_Sean: HAHA.
[21:19] <MystX> Na, i actually have work to do today
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[21:33] <MystX> Wonder if you could use a R-Pi as a blender network rendering server'
[21:34] <MystX> What would be cool is wiring one into the roof in my next flat with a 3G card
[21:35] <MystX> And leave it there when i move out
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[21:39] <IT_Sean> why?
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> to annoy the next inhabitants?
[21:43] <MystX> Yes
[21:43] <IT_Sean> That seems a little creepy.
[21:43] <MystX> Yeah i realised after i said it
[21:43] <IT_Sean> They might think you were spying on them or something
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[21:46] <MystX> Might stick with my wok-fi idea
[21:46] <IT_Sean> wok-fi?
[21:46] <IT_Sean> o.O
[21:47] <MystX> Id show you the wikipedia page
[21:47] <MystX> but..
[21:47] <IT_Sean> heh
[21:48] <MystX> Its directional wifi, with the help of asian cooking vessels
[21:48] <cousteau> MystX, use simple english
[21:48] <cousteau> or google cache
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[21:48] <cousteau> or I think it can be disabled using javascript (or disabling js)
[21:48] <cousteau> it annoys me that not ALL internet shut down
[21:49] <MystX> Make a parabolic reflector out of a wok, stick USB wifi at the focal point
[21:49] <IT_Sean> ahh... a woktenna
[21:49] <MystX> That also
[21:49] <cousteau> imagine Google shut down... that would have ruled
[21:49] <MystX> Yup
[21:49] <MystX> But they kind of cant
[21:49] <IT_Sean> that would have been awesome, and awful all at the same time
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[21:51] <cousteau> IT_Sean, well, the black box they put on Google for US was a bit awesome and a bit awful at the same time
[21:51] <cousteau> (must be a bit awful in order to be a bit awesome)
[21:51] <nichobb> en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wokfi
[21:52] <nichobb> Always a way round. Don't know if works in US.
[21:53] <MystX> Yeah, i plan on making a link between my uni and my flat
[21:53] <MystX> Haven't worked out the details yet though
[21:53] <nichobb> Picture does not feature wok on wiki
[21:54] <MystX> Like how to get power to the R-Pi while it's outside, probably a 20-50m away from the nearest power source
[21:54] <IT_Sean> battery
[21:54] <IT_Sean> or battery + solar panel
[21:55] <traeak> solar panel may work for once
[21:55] <MystX> Yeah but that will only last a little while
[21:55] <traeak> now if only displays used such little power
[21:55] <victhor> I thought you could just disable JS and get to wiki?
[21:55] <MystX> traeak: this one wont have a display
[21:55] <IT_Sean> >>> Disabling JS only works if they are using JS to do the redirect <<<
[21:56] <MystX> it doesnt look like the r pi website is using js
[21:56] <cousteau> IT_Sean, well, Wikipedia sure does something weird with JS or something... when I load the page I manage to see it before the black thing appears
[21:57] <MystX> The pi uses 2-4W right
[21:57] <MystX> Id need a very large battery
[21:57] <nichobb> Car battery big?
[21:57] <MystX> Since id like it to run for at least a week
[21:57] <cousteau> MystX, probably a 301 Moved permanently
[21:58] <MystX> Which is why id rather just power it off mains
[21:58] <cousteau> nope, 302 Moved temporarily
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[22:00] <MystX> I should get my first TDMS->LVDS board finished to day =D
[22:00] <MystX> today*
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[22:33] <mdavey> hello peeps
[22:33] <MystX> Hello
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[22:39] <mdavey> Wow! Just checked out the updated http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard wiki page !
[22:39] <mdavey> First, we need sopa strike days more often. Second, aren't we lucky elinux didn't enjoy the strike.
[22:40] <mdavey> Many thanks to those involved in the contributions.
[22:40] <cousteau> I think what is needed is more widespread on SOPA
[22:40] <cousteau> (the thing is that not all internet is USA)
[22:41] <traeak> mdavey: what's new on this page?
[22:42] <mdavey> much improved layout with lots of daughter pages, making the main page much shorter
[22:42] <traeak> i never did get to see the schematics for the lego rpi case..the site was down, etc
[22:46] <MystX> Its pretty cool
[22:47] * MystX is keen to CNC a case from blocks of aluminium
[22:47] <Davespice> oh talking about cases... =)
[22:48] <Davespice> I'm planning to do a Marks and Spencer mint tin case
[22:49] <Davespice> I plan to make a PDF that you'll be able to print out, stick it on the tin, use your dremel to cut out the shaded bits and then the Pi should go straight in
[22:49] <Davespice> might need a few extra bits to make sure its insulated from the metal etc
[22:50] <Davespice> I think this is known as an Altoid tin across the pond
[22:51] <mdavey> traeak: you've seen the lego case now?
[22:56] <cousteau> *I think what is needed is more widespread on anti-SOPA ads on sites, that's what I meant
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[23:02] <MystX> http://www.fastcoexist.com/1679145/not-angry-birds-an-ipad-app-that-lets-you-play-with-pigs
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[23:09] <mrDragons> *sigh* I can't wait for the site to come back up. ._.
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[23:10] <MystX> Inorite
[23:10] <MystX> Im forced to tidy up netframe code
[23:11] <koaschten> hmmm did i read that right, they expect 2 weeks between production start and the boards arriving?
[23:11] <mrDragons> I think they're already making them
[23:11] <mrDragons> But yeah
[23:11] <mrDragons> Maybe 3 weeks to a month
[23:12] <koaschten> i could swear liz tweeted something like that *starts looking around*
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[23:18] <mdavey> koaschten: sorry, I can't answer any questions today. Without Google and Wikipedia, I'm clueless ;)
[23:19] <mdavey> seriously thou - in Eben's interview with Slashdot at CES, he said around 2.5 weeks - that was around 0.5 weeks ago :D
[23:19] <koaschten> thats what i seem to recall too :)
[23:20] <koaschten> raspberrypi.org being blacked out doesn't help either *too lazy to disable script*
[23:20] <MystX> You cant disable a redirect =P
[23:21] <mdavey> I think that's until they get product back. It'll be a few days of testing before they turn on the shop and fulfilment house.
[23:22] <mdavey> *2 weeks plus a few days*
[23:22] <mrDragons> Hmm... But what if you editted your hosts file so the redirect's domain name pointed to the raspi site? That would just end up an endless chain of redirects wouldn't it? :P
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[23:24] <mdavey> wow - #bbcstargazing live viewers found a new planet in just 2 days
[23:27] <mrDragons> In our solar system?
[23:28] <mdavey> no, around a distant star. They hink it is around 4x the size of Earth
[23:28] <mdavey> *think
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[23:36] <ReggieUK> mdavey, that was pretty cool
[23:36] <ReggieUK> did they say how many plots were examined to get that 1 planet?
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[23:46] <mdavey> ReggieUK: 1 084 760 classifications
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