#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-19

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[1:16] <MystX> Just finished my first TDMS->LVDS board =D
[1:17] <RITRedbeard> let me know how it works out
[1:17] <RITRedbeard> been slacking
[1:17] <MystX> Yeah Ill try test it when i get home
[1:18] <MystX> There are still a few things i need to iron out
[1:18] <MystX> Like which edge my panel detects
[1:19] <MystX> And what voltage it uses =P cant remember
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[1:24] <MystX> WHy is there a terrified baby on my netframe
[1:24] <mrDragons> :D
[1:24] <MystX> lol
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[1:31] <MystX> So excited to get this board home and see if it works
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[2:02] <MystX> THE SITE IS BACK UP
[2:02] <MystX> CHAAAAARRGE
[2:03] <RITRedbeard> I am going to die of old age.
[2:03] <mrDragons> Lucky, I'm probably going to die of heart complications.
[2:03] <RITRedbeard> Fabs will be making ARMv9 spec chips at this rate.
[2:04] <MystX> mrDragons: THat or diabetes for me
[2:04] <RITRedbeard> MystX, do you have link to your circuit?
[2:04] <RITRedbeard> schematics or anything?
[2:05] * mrDragons immediately checks store
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> I think if we had some copyleft/free schematics for things like TDMS->LVDS we could expand the horizons of RPi than just a device for computer science.
[2:05] <mrDragons> Aw. :\
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> Resurrect dead laptops is a good one.
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> RECYCLE
[2:05] <MystX> RITRedbeard: I got them from a thread, ill find it
[2:05] <mrDragons> That'd be good, we waste a terrible amount of perfectly good electronics
[2:06] <RITRedbeard> Yes, Western society does.
[2:06] <RITRedbeard> This way there won't have to be 25 suicides at Foxconn or whatever crap factory in China.
[2:06] <RITRedbeard> Instead... maybe 15
[2:06] <mrDragons> >_>
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[2:07] <RITRedbeard> But anyway, a seasoned computer user who is relatively savvy can learn to deal with Raspberry Pi like specifications for usage
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> and the reason this SOPA junk doesn't really scare me... the evolution of computing is back to decentralized
[2:08] <MystX> RITRedbeard: all of the files are on this page: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/lvds-interface/page-2
[2:08] <MystX> DONT trust the schematic, as lots of stuff is missing from it
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> storage is cheaper than cereal (or was until WD's plants got flooded) and computing power is incredible for home user
[2:09] <MystX> I just went with the pcb file and gerbers
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> whenever you get around to testing please post results and work
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> since panels vary from computer to computer
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> etc
[2:11] <MystX> Yeah I will. Tbh my building of the boards is totally blind
[2:11] <MystX> I understand how it works, but i haven't even looked over every part to make sure it's wired up properly
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> you used TI's flatlink IC right?
[2:11] <MystX> Yea
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> did you get a SMD uh
[2:12] <MystX> And the other TDMS one
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> breakout board
[2:12] <MystX> No?
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> for the package size
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> did you etch your own PCB?
[2:12] <MystX> Got them made at batchpcb
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> oh snap
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> and do you have an ez-bake reflow oven?
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> did you use a stencil or... ?
[2:13] <MystX> Flux, solder and iron
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> I've never done SMD before, otherwise I would have the circuit wired up.
[2:13] <MystX> + microscope =P
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[2:14] <RITRedbeard> I would like to try my hand at doing DIY stencil and doing flux and bake
[2:15] <MystX> hmm
[2:15] <MystX> I dont mind using a iron
[2:15] <RITRedbeard> I didn't know they made tips that fine
[2:15] <RITRedbeard> or hands that steady
[2:15] <MystX> yeah its not that bad really
[2:15] <RITRedbeard> unless there is some trick to doing an entire side
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> because I sampled the ICs and I have them and everything... just man... such small packages. I weep.
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> I guess that is why I design software.
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[2:17] <victhor> only BGA requires a oven
[2:17] <victhor> you can solder everything else (even QFN) with iron or hot air.
[2:17] <MystX> You kinda need a microscope/LARGE magnafying glass
[2:17] <MystX> and flux
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> I've only soldered discrete components... so I never used like flux, it was already in the solder.
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> or you melt some on the tip to get it
[2:19] <MystX> Took me a bit of mucking about to get the hang of it
[2:19] <MystX> also i used to have a job soldering larger SMD components so..
[2:21] <MystX> RITRedbeard: http://imgur.com/fWSpq,4p7mN#1
[2:21] <MystX> There's a pic of each side there
[2:21] <MystX> Taken with shitty cell held by shakey hand =P
[2:22] <RITRedbeard> whaaaaa
[2:22] <victhor> nice
[2:22] <RITRedbeard> maybe I have different ICs in same family but different package size?
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[2:22] <RITRedbeard> the one is the size of my pinky nail
[2:23] <MystX> Which one?
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> I don't remember off hand, I mentioned it in the thread I made
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> I'm kinda in the middle of moving so I dunno where the ICs are
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> :)
[2:24] <MystX> Wel.. use the dvi pins for reference
[2:24] <MystX> Or, the height of the board is the height of a DVI connector
[2:24] <MystX> So the smaller IC would be about the size of a nail
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> ah
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> okay
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> just curious since I am newb at this: what tip and iron/station do you recommend for this type of work?
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> and flux and solder?
[2:26] <MystX> Shit i dont know
[2:26] <MystX> Used the stuff we have at work =P
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> What wattage?
[2:26] <MystX> But the iron has a really fine tip
[2:26] <MystX> ^^Dont even know that =\
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> damn
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> DAMN
[2:28] <MystX> Lol
[2:29] <MystX> As long as you have a thin tip and the iron is at 300-350 you should be fine
[2:36] <RITRedbeard> You sound like Obi-Wan telling me to put away my sophisticated missile guidance system and to use the Force.
[2:37] <MystX> Well..
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[2:38] <MystX> ill let you know how well that works later
[2:38] <MystX> Im kinda expecting magic blue smoke when i plug this thing in
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> heh
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> can always sample more chips from TI
[2:44] <MystX> Yup
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[3:08] <Hideki> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831
[3:11] <emusan> wewts
[3:20] <mrDragons> Cool. ^_^
[3:20] <mrDragons> ps. Fuck the mpaa
[3:21] <emusan> yup
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[3:35] <ReggieUK> If the companies behind mpaa/riaa stopped producing so much utter fscking garbage, they wouldn't have to worry about so many lost sales
[3:35] <emusan> lol this is true
[3:36] <emusan> but then they would have to care about their own industry
[3:36] <emusan> and not just lining their pockets
[3:37] <ReggieUK> ahh, well, therein lies the problem, investors just want profit and not pain
[3:37] <ReggieUK> like why do we have to pay for companies to update their infrastructure?
[3:37] <ReggieUK> that kind of stuff should come out of profit
[3:38] <emusan> when do we do that?
[3:38] <ReggieUK> power grid in the uk
[3:38] <emusan> not in the uk :P
[3:38] <ReggieUK> move to renewables
[3:38] <emusan> well that's at least a decent thing to do
[3:39] <ReggieUK> no it's not
[3:39] <emusan> the majority of our tax money goes into bombs...
[3:39] <ReggieUK> not right now at least
[3:39] <emusan> and death...
[3:39] <ReggieUK> it makes 'normal' power excessively expensive due to subsidies
[3:39] <mrDragons> The US is retarded right now... We really just have no idea what we're doing at the moment.
[3:39] <emusan> yesh
[3:40] <emusan> I wanna move to canada...
[3:40] <ReggieUK> green energy producers are getting something like 43pence per kwh
[3:40] <emusan> that's a ton...
[3:40] <emusan> of moneh
[3:40] <ReggieUK> I pay as a home consumer, at the expensive time of day, 15p per kwh
[3:41] <emusan> that's not /as/ bad...
[3:41] <emusan> but it's about 3x here I think lol
[3:41] <ReggieUK> at the cheap time of day it's 5p per kwh
[3:41] <emusan> 3x what we pay here*
[3:41] <ReggieUK> but the 43p is paid out of taxation
[3:41] <ReggieUK> so I am paying for some rich twat to get free electric and money
[3:42] <azalyn> i found it surprising that the uk actually has government-funded faith schools. :|
[3:42] <azalyn> i watched one of richard dawkins' documentaries on the matter
[3:43] <azalyn> and i was like... "what."
[3:43] <ReggieUK> we've always had church of england and catholic schools over here
[3:43] <emusan> they don't have the same seperation of church and state that we do
[3:43] <azalyn> 20 years from now maybe you guys will be more of a theocracy than the usa. ;)
[3:43] <emusan> but there are schools in the US that are quite religion focused and still receive government funding...
[3:43] <ReggieUK> bishops sit in the house of lords over here
[3:44] <ReggieUK> always have afaik
[3:44] <azalyn> and about a year or so ago i learned of your "tv tax"
[3:44] <azalyn> lolz
[3:44] <azalyn> or "tv license"
[3:44] <azalyn> whatever
[3:44] <emusan> my differentials teacher is brittish :D
[3:44] <emusan> he said for us to not call him sir lol
[3:44] <ReggieUK> license fee gives us the BBC
[3:44] <emusan> <3 the BBC
[3:45] <ReggieUK> yeah, calling someone sir is incredibly formal over here
[3:45] <emusan> he said it's only for knights
[3:45] <ReggieUK> indeed it is
[3:45] <azalyn> yeah. but apparently you pay it just for owning a tv or something, even if you don't watch the bbc.
[3:46] <emusan> who doesn't watch BBC?
[3:46] <emusan> Doctor Who!
[3:46] <azalyn> people who have the internet.
[3:46] <azalyn> ;)
[3:46] <emusan> :P
[3:46] <ReggieUK> if your TV is capable of recieving TV then it's capable of recieving BBC, not like you can prove you haven't been watching it
[3:46] <ReggieUK> we also get bbc online too
[3:46] <ReggieUK> TV that is
[3:47] <ReggieUK> hd too
[3:47] <emusan> yeah...
[3:47] <azalyn> with digital tv i believe you can measure who is tuning in.
[3:47] <azalyn> since it's bidirectional.
[3:47] <azalyn> specifically digital cable.
[3:47] <ReggieUK> bi or omni?
[3:48] <azalyn> satellite is broadcast-only.
[3:48] <ReggieUK> not so much cable over here
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[3:48] <ReggieUK> it's mostly analog, sky satellite, freesat, freeview
[3:49] <azalyn> why not just include the license in the tax.. i mean it just seems kind of silly.
[3:49] <azalyn> to make it this separate thing
[3:49] <ReggieUK> in which tax?
[3:49] <azalyn> maybe a levy on tv sets? who knows.
[3:49] <ReggieUK> license covers a house
[3:49] <ReggieUK> can have 100 tvs if you want
[3:50] <emusan> a levy on sets would be a one time thing though no?
[3:50] <emusan> a tax is FOREVA!
[3:50] <emusan> lol
[3:50] <mrDragons> Wait, you have to pay a tax to own a tv? wtf?
[3:50] <ReggieUK> and a levy on sets doesn't really promise a yearly revenue
[3:50] <ReggieUK> it's a license, not a tax
[3:50] <mrDragons> Still
[3:51] <ReggieUK> it works out fine
[3:51] <emusan> it's worth it though
[3:51] <mrDragons> ...How?
[3:51] <emusan> BBC is like our HBO...
[3:51] <emusan> but better lol
[3:51] <emusan> imo
[3:51] <ReggieUK> ??10 a month for 40 odd channels
[3:51] <ReggieUK> + streaming
[3:51] <emusan> it's basically like paying for premium channels, but you have to do it lol
[3:51] <ReggieUK> bbc news is pretty good
[3:51] <mrDragons> Oh, you mean for the service
[3:51] <emusan> but it's not really a service...
[3:51] <emusan> since it's not optional
[3:52] <mrDragons> That's rediculous
[3:53] <emusan> meh
[3:53] <emusan> I'd rather be there and pay absurd taxes, etc. than be here...
[3:53] <emusan> here being US
[3:54] <mrDragons> I should just move to the arctic
[3:54] <emusan> YES!
[3:54] <emusan> that's my idea!
[3:54] <emusan> well antarctica...
[3:54] <mrDragons> Either would work. :P
[3:54] <emusan> it's filled with scientists...
[3:54] <MystX> Ooh, come see me
[3:54] <emusan> meaning smarts
[3:54] <emusan> you're in antarctica?
[3:55] <MystX> close enough
[3:55] <mrDragons> Which one is it that has penguins? The arctic right?
[3:55] <emusan> peru?
[3:55] <MystX> lol na NZ
[3:55] <emusan> mrDragons: antarctic I think...
[3:55] <emusan> mrDragons: pff NZ doesn't count lol
[3:55] <emusan> AUS is closer
[3:56] <MystX> Uhm, no its not?
[3:56] <emusan> NZ = new zeland?
[3:56] <MystX> Yes
[3:57] <emusan> lol I suck at geography...
[3:57] <emusan> it's close though...
[3:57] <MystX> yeah
[3:58] <emusan> !w
[3:58] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Thu Jan 19 01:54:00 2012. Temp 268K. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 58%, Later 25??F - 11??F. Condition: Snow Showers.
[3:58] <emusan> iz cold...
[3:58] <mrDragons> That's pretty high humidity for being that cold
[3:59] <emusan> yer...
[3:59] <emusan> Syracuse has the weirdest weather
[3:59] <mrDragons> Hmmm...
[3:59] <mrDragons> !w
[3:59] <emusan> try !help
[3:59] <mrDragons> !help
[3:59] <mrDragons> PiBot doesn't like me. :\
[4:00] <emusan> :P
[4:00] <emusan> !help
[4:00] <emusan> it opens in a new window/tab...
[4:00] <emusan> because it messages you
[4:00] <mrDragons> Ah, derp
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[4:03] <emusan> lol the US Congress is SOPAthetic
[4:03] <emusan> just saw that somewhere
[4:03] <mrDragons> lol
[4:49] <djerome> im looking at what kernel config i need for the pi
[4:49] <djerome> i see some folks started with make ARCH=arm versatile_defconfig
[4:50] <djerome> but the kernel config info tells me versatile: arm926ej-s, and realview: arm1176jzf-s
[4:50] <djerome> ima confused. why start with versatile_defconfig
[4:52] <ukscone> djerome: http://raspberrypi.org/kernel.zip
[4:54] <djerome> thanks... but i dunno how much that's going to help me...
[5:04] <ukscone> well it is an oldish kernl with config
[5:04] <ukscone> so use that as the basis of what you want to do
[5:04] <djerome> i'm not finding the config. but yes, it has some interesting info
[5:06] <djerome> oh, found the config in the patch...
[5:06] <ukscone> yup
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[5:08] <djerome> and it looks like the kernel images has some boot loader crapola prepended to it
[5:47] <emusan> zomg just updated pacman...
[5:47] <mrDragons> The package signing is an interesting new feature
[5:47] <emusan> yes...
[5:47] <emusan> reading up on it now...
[5:47] <emusan> wish I didn't have to though lol
[5:48] <mrDragons> You can disable it. :P
[5:48] <emusan> meh
[5:48] <emusan> don't wish that much...
[5:49] <emusan> though it seems some of the packages I have might not be signed yet...
[5:49] <emusan> :S
[5:49] <mrDragons> Yeah, I had that problem
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[9:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:44] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Jan 19 08:20:00 2012. Temp 7??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 48??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[10:51] <feep[nb]> hi
[10:51] <feep[nb]> does anyone have a hello world for gles accelerated 3d?
[10:55] <zgreg> something like gears?
[10:56] <zgreg> or what do you want to do exacly?
[10:57] <zgreg> do you want to start programming or simply test that acceleration works?
[11:01] <paul-> who is the dude running netframe?
[11:01] <paul-> the current picture is disturbing
[11:04] <feep[nb]> zgreg: both, kind of :D
[11:05] <feep[nb]> trying the khronos hello world test
[11:10] <feep[nb]> god damnit Xorg uses a lot of macros >_<
[11:10] <feep[nb]> hard to bind
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[11:16] <feep> alright, got a proper computer
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[11:35] <feep> aaa
[11:35] <feep> where can I get the opengl lib for my arm crosscompile env
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[12:30] <MartijnVdS> Putting a RPi into a hat.. RaspberryBeret?</prince>
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[13:29] <feep> hi
[13:29] <feep> egltest: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped
[13:30] <feep> anyone with a razpi on hand?
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[13:37] <haltdef> someone with a beta board has a thread on reddit
[13:37] <haltdef> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/
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[13:41] <feep> yeah but I didn't want to nag him with a whole post only for it to turn out that I linked with the wrong libs
[13:41] <feep> eh, I'll try in qemu I guess
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[13:42] <feep> "After this operation, 448 MB of additional disk space will be used." oh jeez here we go. installing xorg >_<
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[13:54] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[13:54] <IT_Sean> Morning
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[14:06] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[14:19] <feep> well
[14:20] <feep> it crashes in glx-CreateWindow
[14:20] <feep> good thing I tried on qemu first!
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[14:20] <feep> also xfce looks pretty :D
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[14:24] <feep> alright we are making progress
[14:24] * IT_Sean thumps his USB Serial adapter, irritated that it sometimes just decides not to work
[14:24] <feep> it's stopped crashing. it doesn't create a window yet though.
[14:26] <feep> ltrace hangs ..
[14:26] <Caver> IT: which os are you running it on?
[14:26] <feep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537232/ does this look right to you?
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[14:28] <Caver> checked your not running out of ram?
[14:28] <IT_Sean> Caver: that's the problem. It's windows.
[14:29] <IT_Sean> The drvier will just suddenly decide to switch off. Unplugging the adapter & plugging it back in sorts it.
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[14:29] <Caver> nods ... can't help but you have my sympathies ... I had the same thing - eventually solved by running ubuntu and vmware instance of windows, mapped through to the correct com port
[14:29] <Caver> works a treat!
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[14:30] <IT_Sean> Well, we've got to run windows, sadly, so...
[14:30] <Caver> which windows release?
[14:31] <IT_Sean> Win 7
[14:32] <Caver> ok unlikely to be shared IRQ problems then
[14:33] <IT_Sean> It's a crap driver, is my guess.
[14:33] <feep> okay, not an api issue. it doesn't open a window under x86 either.
[14:33] <IT_Sean> The com ports still show up as available, I just cant pass data through them.
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Unplugging/replugging solves it.
[14:37] <Caver> as a thought - try a different usb port?
[14:38] <IT_Sean> i'll play w/ it later. Bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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[14:48] <feep> alright!
[14:48] <feep> I get a window :D but I can't opengl in it yet.
[14:48] <IT_Sean> progress... it's a wonderful thing.
[14:49] <feep> yup
[14:49] <feep> also, it says "dri2: failed to authenticate"
[14:49] <feep> ohhh, the opengl issue may be because I'm doing the abi wrong
[14:50] <feep> gotta read up on calls to functions with float parameters
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[14:53] <feep> okay yeah, load them into r0-r3
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[14:55] <feep> oh I think I got my endians wrong. >_<
[14:57] <IT_Sean> that sounds painful
[14:57] <Jimf82> yeh be careful where you put your big endians
[14:58] <IT_Sean> O_O
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> Dammit... I hate filling out paperwork. I need to issue a technical service bullitin for a bug fix in some soffware, and one of the feilds in the form is "Cause:". And as tempting as it may be, i cannot put "[programmer] buggered up the code" in there. :|
[15:27] <ReggieUK> I used to enjoy filling out paperwork
[15:27] <ReggieUK> testing 3rd party apps
[15:27] <IT_Sean> really?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> This isn't a 3rd party app...this is one that we wrote.
[15:27] <ReggieUK> until they told us we weren't allowed to use the word 'FAIL' anymore :D
[15:28] <IT_Sean> so, i REALLY cannot put "[programmer] buggered up the code." esp. as his office is only two down from mine! o_o
[15:28] <Dyason> Sure you can
[15:28] <IT_Sean> I really can't
[15:28] <ReggieUK> although that can be quite fun getting across the fact that something fails without saying the word
[15:28] <Dyason> there just might be repercusions (:
[15:28] <Dyason> You really can. Try it. Type it in there!
[15:28] <Dyason> I bet it goes :p
[15:29] <IT_Sean> it will go in, but, i cannot release a TSB to a customer (yes, a customer found the bug... i know, i know...) with that in there
[15:29] <ReggieUK> blame it on the testers
[15:29] <ReggieUK> or is that you too?
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> (luckily only ONE customer has the bad version fo soffware, and we cought it quickly)
[15:29] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: I am the tester!!!!
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[15:29] <ReggieUK> SHAME ON YOU SEAN!!
[15:29] <Davespice> Sean, "Software Fault" is fine isn't it? =)
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> Davespice: the form now reads: "Cause: Software Fault"
[15:30] <ReggieUK> vlame it on compiler optimisation routines
[15:30] <ReggieUK> blame*
[15:30] <Davespice> hey I'm a developer and the best thing you can do is show them how to re-create the bug on their dev pc, if you can do that they'll be happy with you =)
[15:31] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: to be fair, the bug is really obscure. You basically have to be dialing a device with a very specific prefix, when the moons of uranus are aligned, while a unicorn farts in your NOC to see the bug. there is NO way we'd have got that in testing
[15:31] <Davespice> those are bastards!
[15:31] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[15:31] <ReggieUK> then it's not really a screw up, it's just an unforeseem software issue that occurs in incredibly rare circumstances
[15:31] <IT_Sean> yup
[15:32] <IT_Sean> I'm still a little annoyed i didn't find it.
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[15:32] <Davespice> can you consistently reproduce it Sean?
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[15:32] <ReggieUK> I'd put that then, 'unforeseen issue that occurs in incredibly rare circumstanecs'
[15:32] <Davespice> I agree with Reggie
[15:33] <ReggieUK> it's obvious it's a software bug, which implies a fault in coding and testing and really shifts the blame from either to circumstance
[15:33] <feep> aaa
[15:34] <feep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537269/
[15:34] <feep> aren't those the same?
[15:34] <feep> the direct call doesn't work ..
[15:34] <Davespice> end of they day they should be glad you caught it
[15:34] <ReggieUK> it's not like you're putting 'Coder, he fail'
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Davespice: except that I didn't catch it. a CUSTOMER cought it.
[15:34] <Davespice> oh!
[15:35] <Davespice> are you able to reproduce it?
[15:35] <feep> I mean the lr move should be part of bl, right?
[15:35] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> and we've corrected it.
[15:35] <Davespice> okay cool, yeah I think you should put what Reggie said on your form then
[15:36] <ReggieUK> sounds like it was the kind of thing that was only ever going to happen in the field
[15:36] <IT_Sean> I just put "software fault"
[15:36] * Davespice shrugs =)
[15:36] <Davespice> is it **it hitting fan territory or?
[15:37] <feep> blx doesn't work either
[15:37] <IT_Sean> well... it does sort of stop the soffware from working properly... so... in the event that you NEEDED to use the soffware, and this bug were to crop up, the excratory matter would impact the rotary air circulation device at a very high rate of travel
[15:38] <Davespice> =)
[15:38] <feep> I don't get it ;_; why does it break if I call the thing directly
[15:38] <Davespice> I kind of meant as in, is it a huge problem for your employer?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> no
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Only one, possibly two, customers have that version, and we already have an update out to solve it
[15:39] <feep> onvm got it, the = was somehow getting in the way
[15:39] <Davespice> no worries then, I've been on site before and found show stoppers where the client has gone mental and sacked some of their employees in front of me
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[15:40] <Davespice> one guy was escorted out of the building by security for telling me a password lol
[15:40] <feep> I still get a white window instead of yellow. >_<
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Davespice: yeah... i've been in places like that. The really high security sites can be irritating. esp the ones that 'don't really exist'
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[15:45] <Davespice> Insurance companies I find are the worst for it
[15:45] <IT_Sean> I worked in a bitfarm that fell into the "doesn't exist" catagory. If you put the address to it into your satnav, you'd end up at a donut shop six blocks away.
[15:45] <Davespice> I did a big job for State Farm Insurance over in Illinois USA (which is what I was referring to above)
[15:45] <Davespice> oh wow, like spook stuff?
[15:46] <Davespice> or more like MOD?
[15:46] <feep> now ltrace hangs. >_<
[15:46] <IT_Sean> US govt. seekrit things.
[15:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:46] <Davespice> <nods>
[15:46] <Davespice> Like Area 51, the worst kept secret in history ever =)
[15:46] <feep> afaict I do the glClearColor call correctly.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Davespice: not even close. this was on the east coast.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> and i really can't be more specific than that.
[15:47] <Davespice> fair enough old chap, I wouldn't ask it of you.
[15:47] <feep> does anybody have a razzlepie booted up? I don't want to go chasing ghosts if it's just a bug in qemu's mesa ..
[15:47] <Davespice> I wonder if Paul Munders is in here?
[15:48] <ReggieUK> feep, no one here even owns a pi
[15:48] <feep> damnit.
[15:48] <ReggieUK> not even a pre-beta board
[15:49] <feep> kay ..
[15:49] <feep> I guess I'll port it to C and see if the problem happens there too
[15:49] <Davespice> I think ukscone has one...
[15:50] <ukscone> Davespice: no pi for me :( -- i'm in the same situation we all are waiting impatiently for the bloody things :)
[15:50] <Davespice> oh sorry mate, I thought you had one...
[15:50] <Davespice> must be confusing you with another person
[15:50] <ukscone> feep: what's the problem and which version of qemu you using?
[15:51] <ukscone> Davespice: all i have is development vm and a warped sense of humour
[15:51] * Davespice grins
[15:51] <feep> ukscone: opening a simple egl window.. I get red background on linux, white background on qemu
[15:51] <feep> this is mesa in software, so probably not a qemu bug
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[15:51] <feep> it's _probably_ a bug in my compiler.
[15:52] <ukscone> talking of development vm's which of course we weren't I'm building a new version (should be finished by this evening) based on fedora as the guest os using what i think will be the official raspi distro for cross compiling so if i am right then you can just swap binaries across from the vm to the raspi and vice versa
[15:53] <ukscone> feep: i have actually had something similar on another qemu setup and a real device
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[15:53] <ukscone> it's white in qemu and a sort of baige/tan on the device
[15:54] <ukscone> which makes no sense as I am using hexcodes for black/white
[15:54] <ukscone> 0xFFFFFF/0x000000
[15:54] <feep> wow, strange
[15:55] <feep> anyway, I'll try it in C
[15:55] <ukscone> yeah drove me nuts -- in the end i told the customer it was MEANT to be beige as I liked that colour better than white :)
[15:57] <ukscone> oh boy fedora is so strange after years of debian based distros for development :) i haven't used an RH/RPM based distro in almost 10 years and i'm wandering aroudn liek a newbie
[15:57] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:57] <IT_Sean> Not a bug, a feature. :p
[15:57] <ukscone> yeah beige is much easier on the eyes -- just glad he didn't ask for anything else to be white
[15:58] <feep> okay it happens in C also
[15:59] <feep> strangely, it briefly flashes to red when I close it
[15:59] <feep> wait, now it's stopped doing that
[15:59] <feep> SO CONFUSED <_>
[16:00] <ReggieUK> punch it
[16:00] <IT_Sean> kick it
[16:00] <IT_Sean> then wee on it while it's down
[16:03] <feep> okay, now I got it in C too
[16:03] <feep> so there's a testcase.
[16:04] <feep> ukscone: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537277/
[16:04] <feep> should (arguably) show a red square
[16:04] <feep> does on x86/mesa, doesn't on qemu arm/mesa
[16:07] <ukscone> i think i know what it could be but i need to think it through to be able to describe it. a test would be to swap the color values -- i suspect that it's bit order or packing that is screwing it up
[16:07] <feep> ukscone: I tried that. Did an endian swap, no change.
[16:08] <ukscone> don't think it's actually endian
[16:08] <ukscone> i think it's a swap within the structure
[16:08] <feep> well if it's that then it'd be an error with my entire toolchain
[16:08] <ukscone> did you also remember to compile on arm using -fsigned-char ?
[16:08] <feep> the compiler is non-linux-gnueabi uh hold on, let me try
[16:08] <feep> no change
[16:09] <feep> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-*
[16:09] <ukscone> ok -- also arm is 4byte alligned and you can read in bytes 9sortof) but have to write in 4byte chunks
[16:09] <feep> it's C source
[16:09] <feep> compiled with gcc.
[16:10] <ukscone> that doesn't matter
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[16:10] <feep> yeah I mean I assume it gets the alignment right.
[16:10] <ukscone> you still have to be aware of alignment
[16:10] <ukscone> actually gcc doesn't :)
[16:10] <feep> I'm 90% sure the compiler will not emit breawhaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[16:10] <feep> wow that's .. that's sad.
[16:10] <ukscone> i have had to make patches especially when fiddiling with gpio etc to align correctly
[16:10] <feep> doesn't matter though - the entire program doesn't contain a single char or ushort :p
[16:11] <feep> it literally can't not be aligned.
[16:11] <ukscone> got some int's in there though
[16:11] <feep> those are 4-byte.
[16:11] <ukscone> ok
[16:11] <feep> .. are they? sec
[16:11] <feep> I thought arm was 32 bit
[16:11] <ukscone> it was just a suggestion, it seemed to make sense if you are expecting white and getting red and vice versa
[16:12] <feep> yep, 4 byte
[16:12] <feep> I could try building on the target system directly instead of using a toolchain
[16:12] <feep> make sure the abis are the same
[16:12] <ukscone> yeah that could help, at least see if the device does it too and if not then just ignore it on qemu
[16:13] <feep> lack of device :P
[16:13] <feep> qemu is all I got.
[16:13] <ukscone> to save me looking at the wiki what's the arm bit of the chip? 1176jz-fs ?
[16:14] <feep> how do I tell?
[16:14] * feep arm nub.
[16:14] <feep> I have qemu running at 1136-r2, but I'm fairly sure that's not what the rpi is
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[16:15] <ukscone> ARM1176JZF-S
[16:16] <ukscone> knew there was jzf-s :)
[16:17] <Thorn_> when i tried to emu the 1176 in qemu i could never get it to boot ;p
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[16:31] <feep> ALRIGHT
[16:31] <feep> ran it with a native compiler
[16:31] <feep> white window
[16:31] <IT_Sean> woot
[16:32] <feep> I .. wanted a red one???
[16:32] <IT_Sean> oh
[16:32] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[16:32] <feep> razzlepie really needs a good tutorial for how to use the accelerated GLES on release.
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[16:34] <ReggieUK> feep, best hurry your ass up and write it :D
[16:35] <feep> ReggieUK: I might, if I _could get it to work myself_.
[16:35] <feep> :P
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[16:35] <feep> well it's pointles
[16:35] <feep> heyy
[16:36] <feep> is it me being silly or should the devs put up a way to get runtime on a beta system for testing?
[16:36] <feep> or does everyone who wants to run code on the pi on release already have a board?
[16:37] <feep> well, shopping .. bbl
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[17:01] <ukscone> ugh i hate freshly cloning qemu -- it take soooooooooooooooooooooooooo loooooooooooooooooooooooong
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[17:06] <Davespice> excuse the n00b question, but what is qemu?
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[17:07] <haltdef> emulator, for ARM in this case
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[17:10] <friggle> ukscone: use the repo.or.cz mirror
[17:12] <Davespice> oh
[17:12] <Davespice> okay cool, so you can emulation compilation
[17:12] <Davespice> emulate*
[17:12] <gobby> What images are available thus far?
[17:13] <friggle> RIP google code search :/
[17:13] <gobby> I really want a Gentoo disk image but I'm stuggling to find the time and inclination to create one myself
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[17:13] <friggle> gobby: don't worry, i'm sure someone else will do the legwork soon after release :)
[17:15] <gobby> Yeah, I'm just impatient and want to fire up qemu and test I can tune everything I want to run on a raspi to run comfortably within the 256MB limit
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[17:17] <feep> aaa
[17:18] <feep> captcha - "what is the sum of: 11 + 4"
[17:18] * feep resist urge to grammarnazi
[17:18] <Dagger3> the sum of... 11+4 and what?
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[17:19] <feep> Dagger3: exactly.
[17:19] <IT_Sean>
[17:19] <IT_Sean> you are both enormious dweebs.
[17:20] <feep> :3
[17:20] <Dagger3> hey, not my fault if that's what it says
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[17:23] <feep> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/toolchain#p31895
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[17:33] <Davespice> I wonder what is involved in getting LXDE to use the RasPi hardware acceleration, I wouldn't know where to begin!
[17:34] <Davespice> Maybe should try #lxde?
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[17:37] <victhor> there's no X11 driver, so you don't get acceleration on x11
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[17:41] <Davespice> oh right, so an x11 driver needs to be created
[17:42] <nick_> The RPF is a charity, right?
[17:42] <Davespice> yes it is nick, you can donate to them if you want
[17:42] <nick_> How would one donate to them?
[17:42] <IT_Sean> yes
[17:42] <nick_> I didn't see anything on raspberrypi.org
[17:43] <Davespice> https://www.paypal-donations.co.uk/pp-charity/charity.jsp?NP_ID=51613
[17:43] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[17:43] <IT_Sean> you can also participate in the buy one give one scheme once the raspi goes on sale
[17:43] <nick_> That's something I plan to do.
[17:43] <Davespice> that link will be up on the main home page when the boards ship though
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[17:44] <nick_> But I'm also going to allow my hippyish relatives to donate to charity rather than give me a wedding present, so it'd be good to have a more obvious place for people do donate.
[17:44] <nick_> (I'll suggest a few charities I'd like them to donate to)
[17:45] <traeak> might be worth it to go straight for wayland if that's possible
[17:45] <nick_> For the first batch where will the donated ones go?
[17:45] <traeak> althougth x11 will be more useful since rpi will excel as a terminal
[17:45] <traeak> !w
[17:45] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Jan 19 09:53:00 2012. Temp 41??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 47%, Later 56??F - 32??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[17:45] <traeak> amazing, woke up this morning and everything was still melting
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[19:05] <acfrazier> ukscone, I got one of those nice leather notebooks this time
[19:05] <acfrazier> and a flash drive, and some other misc. bits
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[19:07] <ukscone> acfrazier: nice -- still waiting for my win from two weeks ago
[19:07] <ukscone> if it isn't here i'll dm them as last time it was 2 weeks they'd sent it to a house 10 miles away
[19:07] <acfrazier> rofl
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[19:10] <ukscone> yeah that seems to happen a lot -- the usps is quite good at "correcting" the zip code so that it ends up in manhattan rather than brooklyn and ups and fedex seem to like reading 57th street as 5th avenue
[19:10] <acfrazier> ah, they always send mine UPS
[19:10] <acfrazier> or fedex
[19:10] <acfrazier> seems to be random
[19:11] <ukscone> yup so far they've used UPS and I have a deal with my UPS driver so that he rings me when he has stuff for this house
[19:11] * IT_Sean has never had a problem with UPS or FedEx. USPS has buggered things up, but always corrects it quickly.
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[19:11] <ukscone> but the fedex guy doesn't even come down this block -- not seen fedex on this block in over a year -- we just get couldn't deliver stickers and told to go get it
[19:13] <IT_Sean> I cought my fedex driver walking up to my door with the stikerdoo already filled out once, and reaching to stick it on the door without bothering to knock or ring hte bell.
[19:13] <IT_Sean> I told him if he ever pulled that shit again i'd call his supervisor. Haven't had a problem with fedex since.
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[19:14] <IT_Sean> ... then i called his supervisor, of course.
[19:14] <ukscone> :)
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[19:15] <Caver> good
[19:15] <Caver> normally means they couldn't get it there in the agreed time, so they drop a prefilled in note off and hope you won't challange it
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[19:16] <IT_Sean> Well... i gave his supervisor hell for ity
[19:16] <IT_Sean> *it
[19:17] <Caver> more to the point ... did you get your money back for the shipping?
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> me?
[19:20] <IT_Sean> I got the package. So... no.
[19:20] <IT_Sean> But, i haven't seen that driver since.
[19:20] <Caver> yeah .. so they don't care ... and get away with it ..
[19:20] <IT_Sean> so, he either got put on another route, or was removed from service.
[19:22] * Caver bites tongue
[19:25] <IT_Sean> here... bite this instead...
[19:25] * IT_Sean tosses Caver an M&M
[19:29] * haltdef intercepts
[19:29] <Caver> Oi!
[19:29] <IT_Sean> hahah!
[19:29] * Caver wrestles haltdef to the floor
[19:29] <IT_Sean> you snooze you loose
[19:29] <Caver> (manfully)
[19:29] <haltdef> TOO LATE
[19:29] <haltdef> I eated it
[19:29] <Caver> we'll see about that
[19:29] <haltdef> :O
[19:30] <haltdef> wait no
[19:30] <haltdef> :x
[19:30] <Caver> thats it ... a little wider now ...
[19:30] <IT_Sean> O_o
[19:30] * IT_Sean just gives Caver another M&M
[19:30] <Caver> :D
[19:30] * haltdef intercepts
[19:30] <IT_Sean> dammit haltdef
[19:31] <haltdef> sry
[19:31] <Caver> :X
[19:31] <haltdef> I have discovered the slowest microsd <clarkoson> in the world
[19:31] <haltdef> -o
[19:32] <Caver> lol
[19:32] <haltdef> damn my cheapness, "who needs more than a class 2 for music"
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> is it slower than dialup?
[19:32] <haltdef> though, the class 4 in the UMPC is blazing fast .. 25MB/s read 10MB/s write
[19:32] * IT_Sean takes haltdef's SD card, snaps it in half, and tells him that it is now much slower
[19:32] <haltdef> :(
[19:33] * haltdef takes the microsd out of the holder IT_Sean snapped
[19:33] <Caver> lol
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[19:34] * Caver eats the haltdef's microsd card ... you can have it back in a day or so ...
[19:34] * IT_Sean takes the micro SD card and snaps it into bits
[19:34] <Caver> *if* your feeling brave
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Caver: eeeeeeeeeeeeew
[19:34] <haltdef> .. I needed that
[19:34] <haltdef> mean
[19:35] <IT_Sean> it'd probably still work, though.
[19:35] <Caver> aparently it has happened with kids
[19:35] <IT_Sean> If my iPaq survived a saltwater dunking, i bet a microSD would survive being eaten and poo'd out
[19:35] <haltdef> slow 8GB in phone, fast (sequential) 16GB in umpc for readyboost, fast (random) 2GB for raspi
[19:35] <haltdef> microsd reshuffle complete
[19:35] * Caver suddenly realises why the Pi design went for somethign larger ...
[19:35] <Caver> kids ... mouths ...
[19:35] <IT_Sean> hahhaha!
[19:36] <Caver> it's easier for the teacher to find ...
[19:36] <Caver> god ... where's the mind bleach when you need it
[19:36] <IT_Sean> I had my iPaq HX4700 clipped to my belt, and some dingleprick pushed me off a pier and into a river
[19:36] <haltdef> ouch
[19:37] <haltdef> insurance cover it?
[19:37] <haltdef> said dingleprick perhaps?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> it survived
[19:38] <haltdef> :O
[19:38] <haltdef> built like a tank
[19:38] <IT_Sean> I swum to shore (about 50 yards), and took the battery out. Then went home, disassembled it, bathed it in fresh water for about 12 hours, then let it dry out about a week.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> It's been working PERFECTLY since.
[19:38] <Caver> :) great
[19:38] <haltdef> stupid brother put a zte blade through the washing machine
[19:39] <Caver> I've got a mini ipod that was under the sea for about 6 hours, and dried out in the end
[19:39] <haltdef> didn't work again
[19:39] <Caver> though the battery doesn't
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[19:39] <haltdef> screen was cracked anyway and it was only ??100 no contract
[19:39] <haltdef> microsd it came with was fine though :P
[19:39] <haltdef> mine
[19:39] <IT_Sean> Caver: how was it down there for 6 hours!?
[19:41] <Caver> if you want a proper laugh ... this is the full story - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8015450.stm and no it's not me ...
[19:42] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[19:42] <Caver> had to wait for the tide to get low enough for it to be pulled out
[19:42] <IT_Sean> bummer
[19:43] <IT_Sean> I had to replace the iPaq battery, as i couldn't get all the water out of the folds of the plastic covering. But, other than that, you'd never know to look at it that it got dunked in a murkey river.
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[19:44] <haltdef> I had a dell axim
[19:45] <Caver> can you get treatment for that?
[19:46] <IT_Sean> you can, but it is expensive.
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[19:47] <Caver> axim extraction ...
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[19:48] <learningc> can the raspberrypi be of industrial use?
[19:48] <traeak> don't see why not
[19:48] <learningc> by industrial, I mean reliability for at least 3 years continious use
[19:48] <tntexplosivesltd> mouning all
[19:48] <tntexplosivesltd> learningc: hasn't be tested
[19:48] <learningc> ok
[19:49] <learningc> if it is, it would be very good for me
[19:49] <tntexplosivesltd> come back in 3 years =)
[19:49] <traeak> heh
[19:49] <learningc> I need an industrial linux board
[19:49] <tntexplosivesltd> then we can tell you XD
[19:49] <haltdef> boards like the raspi aren't new, look at beagleboard and pandaboard
[19:49] <traeak> yeah that is a funny question: we're not even sure the boards will last 1 week
[19:50] <IT_Sean> that would be a disapointment.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> I expect to get at least a couple years out of a raspi boar.d
[19:50] <learningc> beagleboard and pandaboard are reliable?
[19:50] <traeak> you would think
[19:50] <traeak> learningc: how long have you been looking into these type applications ?
[19:51] <Caver> mind you ... it'd need a case and RF shielding etc
[19:51] <haltdef> they're actually available to the public so people will know whether they're reliable or not :P
[19:51] <learningc> only today, since I got a job interview today and I need to find a really reliable board to run linux on
[19:51] <haltdef> I can't imagine a raspi dying of anything other than wear and tear, and even that would only kill a port rather than the lot
[19:51] <traeak> theoretically :-p
[19:51] <traeak> if you want something that's certified
[19:51] <traeak> then you'll need to find something that's certified :-p
[19:52] <haltdef> nowai
[19:52] <IT_Sean> wow
[19:52] <IT_Sean> you work that out all on your own?
[19:52] <haltdef> learningc, what are you hoping to do with it exactly?
[19:52] <learningc> ok, so which board(s) are certified?
[19:52] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:52] <IT_Sean> google is your friend.
[19:52] <traeak> yeah, i'm sure it took me longer to figure that out than it did for learningC to decide *not* to do any searching on google
[19:53] <learningc> haltdef: industrial inkjet print head controller for marking and coding
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> wow, everyone has become me while I was away
[19:53] <learningc> http://www.rnmark.com/
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> this is great
[19:54] <traeak> learningc: why not something like an arduino for that ?
[19:54] <IT_Sean> tntexplosivesltd: ?
[19:54] <learningc> arduino?? no way
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> lol nm
[19:54] <learningc> It needs to run linux
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> traeak: ???_???
[19:55] <traeak> tntexplosivesltd: no capiche
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[19:55] <Caver> what sort of budget have you got?
[19:56] <learningc> maybe $1000 for the board?
[19:56] <IT_Sean> i thought it was verboten to mention the r-dween-oh in 'ere?
[19:56] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:56] <traeak> use multiple pis and come up with some failover
[19:56] <tntexplosivesltd> it should be
[19:56] <learningc> the cheapest the better
[19:56] <traeak> learningc: sounds like you can afford something "certified"
[19:56] <learningc> great!
[19:57] <Caver> siemens make some, but I know very little about them
[19:57] <Caver> in the hardware control line
[19:57] <IT_Sean> learningc: for $800 i'll stick a "certified" sticker on a raspi for you. you keep the other $200. I'll write you a recipt for the full $1000
[19:57] <learningc> lol
[19:57] <traeak> IT_Sean: when screwing with stuff like liability well you dont' want to screw around
[19:57] <learningc> are you a tester for raspberrypi?
[19:58] <IT_Sean> traeak: i never said i'd put my NAME on the certified sticker. :p
[19:58] <IT_Sean> I was just going to run off a stick label that said "certified" on it, stick it to the bottom of the board, and send it off :p
[19:58] <traeak> IT_Sean: hehe
[19:58] <haltdef> CERTIFIED BY JEFF
[19:58] <IT_Sean> "Certified by your mum. ...for
[19:59] <IT_Sean> "Certified by your mum. ...for ??480"
[19:59] <tntexplosivesltd> certified by inspector #5
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[19:59] <traeak> learningc: you'll only have people make fun of you here. you need to look for other boards...there are plenty of arm9 and arm11 boards out there for under $200 that are designed for contorl and automation
[19:59] <IT_Sean> oooh... good old inspecter #5
[19:59] <traeak> learningc: the rpi absolutely does *NOT* target manufacturing and never will
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[20:00] <IT_Sean> yeah... the raspi is a great little thing, but, it is not meant for the sort of task you are thinking of.
[20:00] <IT_Sean> it'll never have the safety and reliability certifications.
[20:00] <traeak> and it's probably stupid to save maybe $100 board if that much
[20:00] <traeak> and you dont' even need the gpu, hdmi, etc
[20:00] <learningc> traeak: yeah, I was thinking so, raspberry is targetted for hobbiest and experimentation
[20:01] <Caver> and educational usage
[20:01] <traeak> rpi's aren't made for reliability, they're made for *replaceability *
[20:01] <learningc> traeak: I would certainly need the GPU, I need to put a touchscreen as well
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[20:11] <UnderSampled|tab> sld
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[20:13] <tntexplosivesltd> sld...?
[20:15] <izua__> super long double
[20:15] <izua__> it's in the C++0x
[20:16] <tntexplosivesltd> ah XD
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[20:42] * IT_Sean dangles a raspi on a string, keeping it just out of ukscone's reaach
[20:43] <MystX> nooooooo
[20:43] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[20:44] <ukscone> IT_Sean: not interested at the moment. now if it was abag of twiglets
[20:44] <IT_Sean> okay...
[20:44] * MartijnVdS hands ukscone a bag of figlet
[20:45] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:45] * IT_Sean puts the raspi board back into his safe, which he locks, and tandlges a bag of twiglets on a string juuuust out of ukscone's reach
[20:45] <ukscone> IT_Sean: not interested :) feeling a bit under the weather and twiglets need to be savoured when you are 100%
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> moan moan moan
[20:48] <IT_Sean> :|
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> is that all the english do?
[20:48] * IT_Sean finds somebody else to pick on
[20:48] <IT_Sean> tntexplosivesltd: it's all he does
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:51] * IT_Sean dangles a raspi board on a string and keeps it just out of MystX's reach
[20:54] <MystX> My gf just informed me that she's buying me an R-Pi for my birthday =D
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> Cheap present :)
[20:54] <haltdef> what a cheapskate
[20:55] <MystX> Well, as well as a boat trip in rarotonga
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> it's the thought that counts =D
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> a trip on a boat doesn't last as long XD
[20:55] <MystX> No, but its one of those ones with the glass bottom =D
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> tntexplosivesltd: rarotonga seems to be in the middle of the pacific though
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> so it might be a long and lonely trip with the gf
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> so where we live
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone from NZ knows where rarotonga is
[20:56] <MystX> Yeah pretty much
[20:56] <MystX> We can basically swim there
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not that far
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> I'm from the Netherlands and I had to google it.
[20:57] <MystX> Lol
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[20:57] <IT_Sean> I'm from the states, and i didn't bother.
[20:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: we know, you're all like that
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> hence SOPA
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> that's why you don't know anything outside the US
[20:58] <IT_Sean> hey!
[20:58] <IT_Sean> I know lots of stuff outside the US!
[20:58] <IT_Sean> don't stereotype
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> pfft
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: mexican weed, canadian donuts?
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> it's general observation
[20:58] <IT_Sean> and don't fart either
[20:59] <Kostic> hi all, flaming i see...
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> yes, but it's at the american
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> feel free to join in
[20:59] <IT_Sean> :|
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> awww :)
[20:59] <IT_Sean> MartijnVdS: Canadian weed, and mexican donuts, actually. :p
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> nowhug.jpg
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[21:00] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[21:00] * IT_Sean throws a raspi at ShiftPlusOne
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> O_O
[21:00] <MystX> Hey, leave IT_Sean alone. He's been to Taco Bell. He's cultured
[21:00] <MystX> afk, meetiung
[21:00] <IT_Sean> MystX: eeew... i have never eaten there.
[21:00] <MystX> meeting*
[21:00] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't even.... what? Ahm, hi.
[21:00] <IT_Sean> hi.
[21:01] <IT_Sean> no tach hell for me, thanks, i prefer not having the shits.
[21:01] <Kostic> <flame>So what he did? Started a war for oil somewhere?</flame>
[21:02] <IT_Sean> ferfuckssake
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[21:02] <MartijnVdS> is this #debian or something?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> it feels like it, with all the flaming
[21:02] <IT_Sean> scrag this... i'm leaving.
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, the ENTIRE country was backing it >.>
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> seriously
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[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> I win
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Did I miss something?
[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> we all win
[21:03] <mrDragons> Looks like I jumped in at a weird time
[21:03] <Kostic> What he said?
[21:03] <feep> looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
[21:04] <mrDragons> Line from airplane?
[21:04] <mrDragons> *airplanes
[21:04] <Kostic> I left glue, just can't remmember where I have left it... xD
[21:04] <feep> yep
[21:04] <feep> *airplane
[21:04] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: http://pastebin.com/dEHKdqtg
[21:05] <mrDragons> Eh, same difference. :P
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, I was reading the log anyway
[21:05] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:05] <tntexplosivesltd> how...?
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> tntexplosivesltd: magic, how else?
[21:05] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[21:06] <tntexplosivesltd> they are watching us....
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> They??
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought Sean was a pom.
[21:07] <mrDragons> Lol I thought you guys actually said something worth getting butthurt over.
[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> if you read the topic, there's a link to the logs.
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> the topic goes off my screen
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> it's too long
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> tntexplosivesltd: so type /topic
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> and see it all!
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> I know, I never see the need to
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[21:15] <mrDragons> Guys the raspi isn't a $25 dollar computer, what a bunch of liars
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[21:15] <MartijnVdS> what is it then
[21:15] <mrDragons> It's a gimmick to get attention
[21:15] <mrDragons> You still have to buy a mouse and monitor
[21:15] <mrDragons> Which would make it cost more than $25
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: I have stacks of those
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[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> or use existing ones and SSH in
[21:16] <mrDragons> But poor people in 3rd world countries don't
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> feeding the troll, ey?
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> do you really care though?
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> it works on TVs. Who doesn't have a TV these days?
[21:16] <victhor> troll?
[21:16] <mrDragons> Yes, this is a very important issue and this isn't fixing it
[21:16] <victhor> keyboards are too cheap
[21:16] <Kostic> How do you know that they have no monitors and etc?
[21:16] <feep> MartijnVdS: TVs don't have keyboards.
[21:16] <feep> :D
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> feep: ok, good point, but that's the most expensive objection out of the way
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> the third-world countries are full of our e-wastr
[21:17] <feep> actually, somebody made a good point that third-world families are unlikely to have hdmi tvs.
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> keyboards are cheap
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * e-waste
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, why hdmi?
[21:17] <feep> wastr.net?
[21:17] <Kostic> There is a adapter, right?
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> feep: it has composite
[21:17] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: .. point, nevermind
[21:17] <mrDragons> TVs are substandard for computer use, and the protocol used is incredibly outdated
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> why is evertone complaning
[21:17] <feep> I don't know enough to replicate that argument :D
[21:17] <feep> I'm not!
[21:17] <mrDragons> ANd to make things worse, it doesn't have VGA
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * everyone
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: HDMI = DVI = the same thing used by computers to drive their screens
[21:18] <Kostic> It has adapter for VGA. I think...
[21:18] <Kostic> someone correct me.
[21:18] <mrDragons> HDMI is analog now?
[21:18] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[21:18] <Kostic> damn.
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> No, but RasPi comes with composite
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> so you'd need to convert THAT to vga probably
[21:18] <tntexplosivesltd> HDMI has more stuff, but both HDMI and DVI are TDMS
[21:18] <mrDragons> Which just adds more to the cost, because you have to buy a converter
[21:19] <tntexplosivesltd> HDMI has more control crap, but meh
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> so did you just come in to whine and complain or do you have something constructive to ask/tell as well? :)
[21:19] <tntexplosivesltd> keep in mind that it isn't really aimed at third-world countries
[21:19] <mrDragons> And it has so little RAM it can't even run windows 7
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[21:20] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: 0/10 tryingtoo obvious
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> it's aimed at western countries, but it's so cheap so the "OMG YOU BROKE IT" becomes "Meh, broke it, let's get another one"
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[21:20] <Kostic> RasPi is geek-friendly not user-friendly
[21:20] <mrDragons> What's too obvious?
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I think this channel needs a bit more moderation as the release date comes closer.
[21:20] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: your trolling
[21:21] <mrDragons> >_>
[21:21] <Kostic> And using it you can assemble computer for about 60-100 euros...
[21:21] <mrDragons> But that's still really expensive, why not buy a tablet cheaper?
[21:21] <tntexplosivesltd> because tablets are gay
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: can you make motors turn and lights blink with a tablet?
[21:22] <mrDragons> Prolly
[21:22] <Kostic> Where can you find usable tablet bellow 100$??
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: solder bits together and learn how they work?
[21:22] <victhor> I was so going to add you to the ignore list, but the flame war would lose sense if I did
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[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, what's the policy on trolls around here?
[21:22] <ReggieUK> and when was the last time you saw a tablet the size of a credit card
[21:23] <tntexplosivesltd> this one seems kinda obvious too
[21:23] <tntexplosivesltd> trying too hard
[21:23] <tntexplosivesltd> so subtlety
[21:23] <Kostic> Again, its not made for general use. Its made to make programming and high-level interacting with computer interesting.
[21:23] <ReggieUK> some one tell me, who are we baiting?
[21:23] <mrDragons> But it's advertised everywhere as a completely-capable $25 computer
[21:24] <victhor> mrDragons, please return to slashdot, thank you.
[21:24] <victhor> we don't need you here
[21:24] <ReggieUK> it is capable
[21:24] <ReggieUK> as long as you are
[21:24] <mrDragons> I prefer ./, that's the current directory
[21:24] <ReggieUK> if you're deficient, then it's likely you'll be waiting for crumbs from the community
[21:24] <ReggieUK> if not, you'll make it do your bidding
[21:24] <tntexplosivesltd> I see nowhere saying it is a complete system
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, just stop responding.
[21:25] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:25] <mrDragons> Typical response. Pfft.
[21:25] <Kostic> so there is no /kick stuff here?
[21:25] <victhor> !votekick
[21:25] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean some trolls I have seen are pretty good, but this just seems desperate
[21:25] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: sorry wasn't watching the screen. policy on trolls is that they get 1 strike and unless they pay me lots of money we squish them
[21:25] <Kostic> !votekick mrDragons
[21:26] <Kostic> Hell yea!
[21:26] <mrDragons> !votekick mrDragons
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ah ok.... *cough*mrDragons*cough*
[21:26] <victhor> I don't think there is !votekick here?
[21:26] <ReggieUK> +1 for mrDragons works for beagle/panda
[21:27] <mrDragons> No, those are just as useless
[21:27] <mrDragons> They don't even run windows
[21:27] <ReggieUK> bitter twisted little mammalian board luvver
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> strike 10?
[21:27] * ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone
[21:27] <feep> mrDragons: I prefer /., that's the current news.
[21:27] <mrDragons> >_>
[21:28] <feep> ^^
[21:28] <mrDragons> Don't ban me bro
[21:28] <feep> don't ban him bro
[21:28] <feep> stifling effect on valid criticism and all that
[21:28] <feep> wait that was chilling effect. damnit???
[21:28] <ukscone> well i don't know the command to do it anyway :)
[21:28] <ReggieUK> it's hardly valid criticism though
[21:28] <ReggieUK> if you want a windows machien, fuck off and buy one
[21:28] <feep> /mode #raspberrypi +b mrDragons but don't please.
[21:29] <mrDragons> I think I regular'd here enough but I guess not. :P
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, there's a difference between criticism and trolling... he knows exactly what he's doing.
[21:29] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: I call bs.
[21:29] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: channels can get extremely oversensitive to "trolling"
[21:29] <ReggieUK> ^^
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> ShiftPlusOne: he's honing our troll-busting skills for release day?
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> :P
[21:29] <traeak> trolling can be fun (in small doses)
[21:29] <mrDragons> It was quiet. >_>
[21:30] <feep> remember: when in doubt, ascribe to ignorance rather than malice.
[21:30] <ReggieUK> I enjoy troll baiting personally
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, I am inclined to agree somewhat.
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> feep, but it can get out of hand.
[21:30] <ukscone> one of these days i'll have to give ops to someone else. i accept cash, twiglets and banler's draft
[21:30] <ReggieUK> and to be fair, I am a grumpy c**t
[21:30] <feep> mrDragons: anyway to answer your question half the point of the razpi is that windows is not a good os to get _started_ doing dev work in
[21:30] * ReggieUK has a regular supply of twiglets
[21:30] <feep> because shitty tools for beginners
[21:30] <victhor> just set him to ignore and...
[21:30] <Kostic> So, has Debian became standard distro for RasPi?
[21:31] <feep> at least windows 98 shipped with qbasic
[21:31] <mrDragons> I dunno, I heard something about redhat/fedora being shipped with it?
[21:31] <traeak> feep: you should know if it ain't windowz then it ain't nuttin' d00d
[21:31] <tntexplosivesltd> ukscone: I find it odd that the "op" here doesn't know how to ban...
[21:31] <feep> so while shipping windows boxes to the third world would prepare them to work in an _office_
[21:31] <feep> it won't prepare them to participate in the developer multiculture.
[21:32] <mrDragons> But then they can make spreadsheets and crap
[21:32] <feep> mrDragons: yes, that's my point :p
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: good, because our kids won't be able to
[21:32] <feep> oh, I think you'll need a bot before release hits that you can code default faq answers in
[21:32] <ReggieUK> right now debian is a standard distro for pi but whatever becomes favourite will be the standard I guess
[21:32] <feep> so you can just do ?whynotwindows
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> they'll just write programs all day and think about O(log(n))
[21:32] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: there is a very good reason for that
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> because no=one has ever needed it before
[21:32] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: i hadn't used irc as an op since the time it was called relay and there were no american's using it
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> * no-one
[21:33] <feep> um I think I just made a good point that got lost in the noise a bit
[21:33] <Kostic> <flame>Microsoft Office is one great piece of software, not like that libresomething crap</flame> xD
[21:33] <Kostic> +1 for Debian...
[21:33] <feep> Kostic: ahh, the joy of "open sores"
[21:33] <feep> (every time I hear that I want to kick somebody in the nuts)
[21:33] <traeak> Kostic: lyx is a great piece of software, and a better way of approaching document management
[21:33] <traeak> heh
[21:33] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: and of course we haven't needed it to date heck i never even went op other than setup day and just now
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> to be fair libreoffice and openoffice are pretty crap.
[21:34] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: they're lowest-denominator apps
[21:34] <Kostic> guys I placed <flame> tags... :)
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather have a lot of room for improvement.
[21:34] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: as such they fulfill their purpose
[21:34] <traeak> heh
[21:34] <Kostic> There is a room for some cash ShifPlusOne
[21:34] <traeak> Kostic: you should have used <troll> tags
[21:34] <_inc> 'evening chaps
[21:34] <Kostic> For what I pay its quite good...
[21:35] <mrDragons> Ello _inc
[21:35] <Kostic> I was considering them traek
[21:35] <feep> GUYS
[21:35] <feep> I think it'd be a VERY good idea to have a default-answer bot around when the release hits!!
[21:35] * ReggieUK looks away, blinded by the shouting
[21:35] * ShiftPlusOne puts on a serious attention face =|
[21:35] <feep> I've seen channels have very good success with those
[21:35] <feep> for handling hundreds of users effectively
[21:35] <mrDragons> Sounds good
[21:35] <feep> should I code one up?
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> who's in charge of the failbot around here?
[21:36] <ReggieUK> feep, open or closed source?
[21:36] <_inc> feep: I was pondering this the other day. Are there existing sources?
[21:36] <mrDragons> Sure, but I want to code one up too!
[21:36] <feep> ReggieUK: psh.. open plz
[21:36] <feep> _inc: very likely
[21:36] <feep> mrDragons: aww
[21:36] <feep> mrDragons: wanna race?
[21:36] <traeak> better suggestion..we move to another IRC channel and let the n00bz come on here
[21:36] <feep> :(
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> #notraspberrypi?
[21:36] <feep> well the assumption is that you want to actually help them
[21:36] <Thorn_> raspberry-proz
[21:37] <traeak> heh
[21:37] <_inc> there is another channel, its pretty much dead
[21:37] <traeak> lolcatz
[21:37] <mrDragons> A race hmm..
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> raspberrypi-dev
[21:37] <cousteau> what if the bot runs on a raspi?
[21:37] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: fight club rule #1
[21:37] <feep> mrDragons: fair warning: I already have a bot platform
[21:37] <feep> cousteau: .. nobody has one >_>
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[21:37] <cousteau> feep, at least 10 people will
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean nothing...
[21:38] <cousteau> and a museum has one
[21:38] <feep> cousteau: fair but none of them are here, afaik
[21:38] <mrDragons> I already have an IRC client, so... >_>
[21:38] <feep> ..
[21:38] * feep terrible suspicion
[21:38] <cousteau> mrDragons, on a raspberry pi?
[21:38] <feep> oh whew
[21:38] <feep> that sounded like you wanted to do it in mircscript
[21:38] * feep quietly barfs in a corner
[21:38] <feep> ah, excuse me
[21:38] <mrDragons> It's in python. :P
[21:38] <feep> :D
[21:38] <cousteau> mirc? does mirc run on rpi?
[21:38] <cousteau> also, what for?
[21:39] <feep> cousteau: lots of beginners write scripts in mircscript
[21:39] <Kostic> If its Python I want to compete. :D
[21:39] <feep> and as a language, it is ideally situated to ruin their brains forever.
[21:39] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[21:39] <feep> imo, mircscript is worse than perl and php combined.
[21:39] <tntexplosivesltd> why limit the language
[21:39] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: +1
[21:39] <feep> SO ANYWAY race!"
[21:39] <Kostic> Perl is bad enough. I can't imagine something more deviant...
[21:39] * feep codecode
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> what's wrong with php (for web development)?
[21:40] <cousteau> feep, what does mirc have? is it a super-simple programming language or something?
[21:40] <mrDragons> Well, I have to take my dog out and brew some coffee before I code
[21:40] <feep> ShiftPlusOne: nothing, but it doesn't teach effective habits well
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> Perl and php = god tier
[21:40] <feep> cousteau: if you value your sanity, do not google it.
[21:40] <cousteau> imo, perl is not bad
[21:40] * mrDragons googles
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: as opposed to OOP-ing everything >.>
[21:40] <cousteau> can I have a screenshot of mircscript?
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> eww
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> don't
[21:41] <cousteau> just a screenshot...
[21:41] <cousteau> only to know what color it is
[21:41] <_inc> what's wrong with OOP?
[21:41] <feep> oh, I need to add nick registration to my bot
[21:41] <feep> wait this channel is +r?
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[21:41] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: its widespread overuse and the poor design it oftem produces
[21:41] <feep> oh wait
[21:41] <feep> I got the argument wrong.
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[21:42] <tntexplosivesltd> mostly the people doing it, but meh
[21:42] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: thats often down to inexperience though
[21:42] <feep> alright! platform is running. now to code the actual question-answer logic
[21:42] <tntexplosivesltd> it tends to teach poor habits too
[21:42] <mrDragons> Sounds good, all I have to do is cut down the user interface parts of my client
[21:42] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: or over experience, showing off how you can use 10+ design patterns for a solution which wont need it
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[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> yea lol
[21:43] <cousteau`irssi> nope, not registered-only
[21:43] * cousteau`irssi (~javier@ Quit (Client Quit)
[21:43] <Kostic> first questio: Can it run Window 8? Answer: Get lost, jerk!
[21:43] <Kostic> *question
[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:43] <mrDragons> Heh
[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: or it becomes the default choice when other methods would work better
[21:44] <_inc> horses for courses
[21:44] <mrDragons> The only thing is though, if we code just to see who finishes it first, won't it end up kind of bad?
[21:44] <_inc> :)
[21:44] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: that's how M$ do it XD
[21:44] <_inc> mrDragons: make a GUI interface in VB
[21:44] <tntexplosivesltd> wee
[21:44] <tntexplosivesltd> * eww
[21:44] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[21:44] <mrDragons> _inc: To track down an IP address?
[21:45] <_inc> mrDragons: yes, of the newbies asking the common questions
[21:45] <Kostic> Throw hate at MS. You're just jelous because they are visionaries...
[21:45] <Kostic> ups
[21:45] <Kostic> forgot to put troll tags. :D
[21:46] <mrDragons> Of course, because apple are the real innovators here
[21:46] <_inc> Kostic: Well they are not as innovative as Apple
[21:46] <_inc> heh
[21:46] <mrDragons> <troll />
[21:46] <Kostic> I rememmber when I programmed in VB... Never again. Makes you stupid.
[21:46] <ReggieUK> I hate vb
[21:47] <ReggieUK> and we have to use it right now
[21:47] * mrDragons away and is too lazy to actually type /away
[21:47] <MystX> back
[21:47] <ReggieUK> for a project I'm working on
[21:47] <ReggieUK> cos the lead knows it
[21:47] <Kostic> What project?
[21:47] <ReggieUK> observatory automation
[21:47] <Kostic> Lead programmer knows only VB??
[21:47] <_inc> your lead prefers VB? jump ship man
[21:47] <Kostic> Why not Python and its batteries?
[21:47] <ReggieUK> :)
[21:48] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: wb
[21:48] <Kostic> before it goes to the bottom of the sea...
[21:48] <_inc> observatories??? as in the star-gazing things?
[21:48] <ReggieUK> I'd prefer to work in C/C++ but it's going to have to be visual something
[21:48] <ReggieUK> _inc, yes
[21:48] <ReggieUK> amateur astronomy mainly
[21:48] <_inc> no wonder those things move so frikking slow
[21:48] <ReggieUK> but there's no reason our kit couldnt' be used in a big obs
[21:49] <MystX> THat was a meeting full of "oh yeah that's not done yet"
[21:49] <Kostic> python and c for bottlenecks...
[21:49] <ReggieUK> the big ones move slow because they're big :D
[21:49] <ReggieUK> but most of the smaller sized stuff is very quick
[21:50] <ReggieUK> amateur gear is pretty quick
[21:51] <ReggieUK> but once they're in position, they all move at the same rate
[21:51] <ReggieUK> sidereal
[21:51] <ReggieUK> about 1 revolution per day
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, oh and I finally figured out oolite, thanks for introducing me to it, pretty addictive.
[21:52] <feep> BACK
[21:52] <feep> did I make it?
[21:53] <ReggieUK> meh, I got into it a bit, then got turned off again
[21:53] * feep reads up
[21:53] <feep> ;load qa
[21:53] <neatbot> Defined []
[21:53] <feep> !set test It works, yep.
[21:53] <ReggieUK> trying to do the galactic nay missions I think
[21:53] <feep> :(
[21:53] <feep> test channel it is.
[21:53] * feep /join answerbot-test
[21:53] <izua__> !exec rm -rf /*
[21:53] <izua__> always worth a try.
[21:53] <feep> ^^
[21:53] * neatbot (~neatbot@p5B2B29BE.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[21:54] <emusan> !w
[21:54] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Thu Jan 19 19:54:00 2012. Temp 272K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 41%, Later 28??F - 16??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers.
[21:54] <Kostic> What happened? neatbot shoot someone in the leg?
[21:54] <MystX> Who the shit is that on netframe?
[21:55] <_inc> !w
[21:55] <tntexplosivesltd> wow...
[21:55] <emusan> lol...
[21:55] <MystX> Lol
[21:55] <tntexplosivesltd> that is...
[21:55] <tntexplosivesltd> who is that?
[21:55] <emusan> who is what?
[21:55] <_inc> Mark Zuckerburg?
[21:56] <emusan> I iz confused...
[21:56] <MystX> emusan: http://netfra.me
[21:56] <Kostic> Mark Shuttleworth? xD
[21:56] <Kostic> what kind of frog is this?
[21:57] <_inc> MystX: i was gonna image search it but the picture is now a cat
[21:57] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[21:57] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 19??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 73%.
[21:58] <emusan> soooo warm
[21:58] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[21:58] <MystX> _inc: Lol.
[21:58] <tntexplosivesltd> summer ftw
[21:58] <amazoph_> _inc: replaced with multiple cats now.
[21:58] <amazoph_> sink of kittens > 1 cat.
[21:58] <tntexplosivesltd> naww =3
[21:58] <_inc> MystX: thought about archiving the photos? so that you can access previous images on the site?
[21:58] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[21:58] <tntexplosivesltd> they are
[21:59] <ReggieUK> http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/19/federal-prosecutors-shut-down-megaupload-file-sharing-site-foun/
[21:59] <tntexplosivesltd> I think
[21:59] <victhor> what? I used megaupload earlier today O_O
[21:59] <_inc> its always /picture.jpg. no unique for each
[22:00] <haltdef> I use it for totally legal stuff
[22:00] <izua__> wow that was fust
[22:00] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: they're symlinked
[22:00] <izua__> i saw that in at least 5 channels in the past 10 minutes
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[22:00] <feep> alright!
[22:00] <izua__> but the song is catchy nonetheless lol
[22:00] <feep> ;load qa
[22:00] <answerbot> Defined []
[22:00] <feep> !set test = hello world
[22:00] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[22:00] <feep> ?test
[22:00] <answerbot> test = hello world
[22:00] <feep> yup
[22:00] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: what did you write it in?
[22:01] <_inc> answerbot: can i run Windows 7 on the raspberry pi?
[22:01] <_inc> ....
[22:01] <_inc> feep: work harder
[22:01] <feep> !set windows The RPi is an ARM device. Windows is for x86 devices. Windows will never run on ARM.
[22:01] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[22:01] <feep> _inc: minute
[22:01] <feep> on it
[22:01] <izua__> windows 8 is supposed to
[22:01] <cousteau> windows is not for x86 devices
[22:01] <cousteau> also for x86_64
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> no, no it isn't
[22:01] <MystX> _inc: picture.<ext> is a cropped/scaled version of current image for website use
[22:01] <tntexplosivesltd> answerbot is wrong
[22:02] <cousteau> (also they want to make windows for arm, and prevent every other os to run on those devices by some crazy sh**)
[22:02] <tntexplosivesltd> cousteau: was agreeing
[22:02] <MystX> _inc: all other images are stored out of reach for now =P
[22:02] <izua__> cousteau: what?
[22:02] <_inc> MystX: sweet
[22:02] <feep> ;reload qa
[22:02] <answerbot> qa reloaded.
[22:02] <izua__> microsoft wants to lock arms with windows?
[22:02] <feep> !tell _inc windows
[22:02] <answerbot> undefined
[22:02] <feep> ..
[22:02] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
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[22:03] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: what lang did you use?
[22:03] <feep> tntexplosivesltd: neat, it's custom
[22:03] <cousteau> izua__, the replacement to BIOS, isntead of developing a decent secure OS, they want to make computer sellers to implement a thing that only allows computers to boot "trusted software" using security keys
[22:03] <izua__> i had my money on the phenny bot
[22:03] <feep> has an arm port though!
[22:03] <_inc> 'neat' is a language?
[22:03] <feep> ;reload qa
[22:03] <answerbot> qa reloaded.
[22:03] <feep> !tell _inc windows
[22:03] <answerbot> 'windows' undefined
[22:03] <feep> ;__;
[22:04] <izua__> cousteau: got more links?
[22:04] <izua__> that sounds stupid
[22:04] <MystX> DO i get to bring modbot in here now?
[22:04] <feep> I'll upload code once I fix this.
[22:04] <cousteau> izua__, got once, let me see
[22:04] <cousteau> it started with U and had 4 letters
[22:04] <MystX> #raspberrypi talking on omegle =O
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[22:05] <_inc> feep: github? pm me the repo when its released
[22:05] <feep> _inc: kay
[22:05] <feep> _inc: the platform is on github already
[22:05] <feep> _inc: http://github.com/FeepingCreature/neatbot
[22:05] <cousteau> UEFI
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[22:06] <feep> test channel again!
[22:06] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: do it
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[22:09] <feep> ;load qa
[22:09] <answerbot> Defined []
[22:09] <feep> !tell _inc windows
[22:09] <answerbot> _inc: The RPi is an ARM device. Windows is for x86 devices. Windows will never run on ARM.
[22:09] <_inc> neat is apparently not very well documented
[22:09] <Thorn_> Windows 8 ?
[22:09] <chris_99> there is a version that does run on arm
[22:09] <Thorn_> (it wont run on the pi, but it does run on ARM)
[22:10] <_inc> its easier to say no
[22:10] <chris_99> heh
[22:10] <Thorn_> that's not very accurate
[22:10] <feep> !set windows The RPi is an ARM device. Windows traditionally runs on Intel processors, which are x86 or x86_64. The very most recent version runs on some ARM chips with four times the memory of the RazPi. Forget it.
[22:10] <answerbot> Definition changed.
[22:10] <mrDragons> I hate how fragmented arm is...
[22:10] <Thorn_> why do you think ms just forced all vendors to only support Windows on ARM devices with UEFI ? ;p
[22:10] <feep> _inc: well yes, it's a custom language :p
[22:10] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: amd saus hi
[22:10] <cousteau> seems that (1) PCs with UEFI can't double-boot Windows and Linux, it's one or the other; (2) they want to make ARM processors in which UEFI can't be disabled, so only Windows will run: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/
[22:10] <Thorn_> er not uefo
[22:10] <_inc> well, intel architectures technically
[22:10] <tntexplosivesltd> * says
[22:10] <feep> _inc: I'll write docs when I'm done and I'll never be done.
[22:10] <cousteau> izua__, there you have a link... kinda long, though
[22:11] <feep> !set windows The RPi is an ARM device. Windows traditionally runs on Intel (and AMD) processors that are x86 or x86_64. The very most recent version runs on some ARM chips with four times the memory of the RazPi. Forget it.
[22:11] <answerbot> Definition changed.
[22:11] <izua__> cousteau: thanks
[22:11] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[22:11] <tntexplosivesltd> also RazPi wut
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe mention licensing fees would help
[22:12] <feep> hold on, uploading code for the script so far
[22:12] <feep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537478/
[22:12] <feep> _inc: :D
[22:13] <feep> ;reload qa
[22:13] <answerbot> qa reloaded.
[22:13] <feep> no need for debug
[22:13] <mrDragons> Huh
[22:13] <mrDragons> Pretty cool
[22:13] <feep> :D thanks
[22:13] <feep> it theoretically runs on arm, too
[22:13] <traeak> feep: !set the rpi is a windows device. Please go right away and purchase yourself a windows 7 license and install as quickly as you can. If you really want to you can also install OS/X Lion as well.
[22:14] <feep> haha
[22:14] <feep> reminds me, I need to add editing rights.
[22:14] <mrDragons> !set Haha, yeah
[22:14] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[22:14] <mrDragons> lol
[22:14] <feep> but first: building for arm
[22:14] <emusan> lol
[22:14] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: Im at work. Also omegle is often NSFW, also the omegle module only 'works'
[22:14] <feep> huh.
[22:14] <feep> neatbot: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dyna#mically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped
[22:14] <MystX> There's a few bugs
[22:14] <feep> that was easier than expected ..
[22:14] <tntexplosivesltd> true
[22:15] <ReggieUK> traeak, you forgot to add that they'll need a 32GB sd card
[22:15] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: start on ec2?
[22:15] <MystX> yeah can do
[22:15] <mrDragons> I'm still formulating how I'm going to be constructing mine. :P
[22:15] <traeak> ReggieUK: nah, just tell them they can take the white card out of thir cell phone and use that
[22:15] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[22:16] <feep> okay, my arm modulo op is broken
[22:16] <emusan> ;tell emusan Haha,
[22:16] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0HiB0PrdprLqIHlwUdYtB05l2sA?docId=c93737704b504930a11fc307d67b674d
[22:16] <emusan> oops
[22:16] <mrDragons> !tell me I'm pretty
[22:16] <answerbot> 'I'm pretty' undefined
[22:16] <emusan> lol
[22:17] <emusan> !tell emusan Haha,
[22:17] <answerbot> emusan: yeah
[22:17] <feep> oh god what have I done.
[22:17] <mrDragons> XD
[22:17] <feep> was this a horrible mistake?
[22:17] <Kostic> Someone mentioned Hackintosh?
[22:17] <mrDragons> We should just implement bucket here. :P
[22:17] <traeak> oh yeah, and also they need to use their telephone jack and plug that into the rpi to get power
[22:17] <emusan> my roommate's been asleep for 15 hours now...
[22:18] <tntexplosivesltd> "asleep" ;-)
[22:18] <emusan> lol
[22:18] <Kostic> emusan: is he breathing?
[22:18] <emusan> yesh...
[22:18] <emusan> I think so...
[22:18] <emusan> he does this like every other day...
[22:18] <emusan> though not quite this much
[22:18] <tntexplosivesltd> saying "yes yes yes yes"
[22:18] <tntexplosivesltd> that's breathing
[22:18] <_inc> emusan: hes not diabetic or anything?
[22:19] <MystX> bracing..
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[22:19] <emusan> not that I know of...
[22:19] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[22:19] <Thorn_> give him the bucket of cold water treatment
[22:19] <MystX> Well that worked well
[22:19] <feep> oh, my int div code is borked
[22:19] <_inc> emusan: does he keep insulin in the refrigerator? cus if he is thats where he will keep it
[22:19] <mrDragons> Thorn_: If you want to have the absolute fsck beaten out of you, that is
[22:19] <emusan> we don't haz a fridge...
[22:20] <emusan> he seems to be getting up now...
[22:20] <_inc> emusan: there lies your problem
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[22:20] <emusan> that he's getting up?
[22:20] <feep> YES
[22:20] <emusan> or that we don't have a fridge?
[22:20] <emusan> or both?
[22:20] <feep> that's "answerbot_from_arm"
[22:20] <mrDragons> Lol "lies" because he's sleeping
[22:20] <feep> but it got cut off
[22:20] <mrDragons> !set windows8 use linux
[22:20] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[22:21] <emusan> !tell feep windows8
[22:21] <answerbot> feep: use linux
[22:21] <feep> armbot doesn't have qa loaded yet
[22:21] <feep> should I try to migrate the entire thing to my qemu?
[22:21] <feep> just to see if it works
[22:21] <feep> hell yes, doing it
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[22:21] <MystX> Bracing..
[22:21] <mrDragons> I guess I should start coding. :P
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[22:22] <MystX> BRACING
[22:22] <MystX> .. fuck
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[22:23] <feep> ;load qa
[22:23] <armswerbot> Defined []
[22:23] <feep> ;reload qa
[22:23] <armswerbot> qa reloaded.
[22:23] <feep> ?windows
[22:23] <armswerbot> windows = The RPi is an ARM device. Windows traditionally runs on Intel (and AMD) processors that are x86 or x86_64. The very most recent version runs on some ARM chips with four times the memory of the RazPi. Forget it.
[22:23] <emusan> !set amipretty no
[22:23] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[22:23] <feep> it works <3
[22:23] <feep> on arm <3
[22:24] <feep> custom assembly backend <3
[22:24] <emusan> wewt
[22:24] * feep does a victory dance
[22:24] <mrDragons> !set am I pretty = "No"
[22:24] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[22:24] <mrDragons> am I pretty
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> funfun
[22:24] <emusan> !tell mrDragons amipretty
[22:24] <armswerbot> mrDragons: no
[22:24] <mrDragons> Ah
[22:24] <mrDragons> Nice
[22:24] <emusan> without the !tell thing it would happen too often methinks...
[22:25] <feep> ;load uname
[22:25] <armswerbot> Defined [uname]
[22:25] <feep> ;uname
[22:25] <armswerbot> Linux raspberry-pi 3.0.4 #2 Mon Oct 17 17:39:42 ICT 2011 armv6l GNU/Linux Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 2 (v6l) BogoMIPS : 358.80 Features : swp half thumb fastmult edsp java CPU implementer : 0x41 CPU architecture: 6TEJ CPU variant : 0x0 CPU part : 0xb36 CPU revision : 2 Hardware : ARM-Versatile PB Revision : 0000 Serial : 0000000000000000
[22:25] <emusan> oh gawd...
[22:25] <emusan> can anyone execute commands on it?
[22:25] <feep> nnnnope.
[22:25] <emusan> that would be fun :P
[22:25] <mrDragons> ;load rm
[22:25] <armswerbot> An error has occurred: Error: Invalid command-code in setup phase: ''
[22:25] <armswerbot> Defined []
[22:25] <mrDragons> :P
[22:25] <emusan> ;ls
[22:25] <feep> ^^
[22:25] <feep> guys give it up
[22:26] <feep> or at least read the source before trying exploits
[22:26] <emusan> just had to try :P
[22:26] <mrDragons> ;load sudo rm -rf /*
[22:26] <armswerbot> An error has occurred: Error: Invalid command-code in setup phase: ''
[22:26] <armswerbot> Defined []
[22:26] <feep> mrDragons: that particular attack will never work
[22:26] <mrDragons> It's safe. >_>
[22:26] <feep> it doesn't pass commands to a shell, it actually execvs them
[22:26] <feep> aaand you can only access the local folder anyway
[22:26] <feep> srsly, read the source
[22:26] <emusan> not right now...
[22:26] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[22:27] <emusan> rather just mess with it lol
[22:27] <mrDragons> I was kidding brah
[22:27] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: modbot wont connect to freenode 0.o
[22:27] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[22:27] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting
[22:27] <feep> actually, need to restart. I did find a security leak :D
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[22:28] <feep> aaand it's gone.
[22:28] <mrDragons> I love how much simpler a bot is to make than a client
[22:28] <feep> ;load qa
[22:28] <armswerbot> Defined []
[22:28] <mrDragons> In it's own ways
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[22:28] <feep> mrDragons: it's amazing how powerful it is for a language to just allow easily reading back output from commands executed
[22:29] <feep> string download(string url) { return readback("wget", ["-O", "-", url]); }
[22:29] <feep> :p
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[22:30] <MystX> My bot gets 'no ident response' and then times out =\
[22:30] <MystX> wtf
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[22:31] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
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[22:32] <feep> it's fun to see it running in qemu :3
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[22:33] <feep> unrelatedly
[22:33] <_inc> yay, just got an SD card :)
[22:33] <feep> will _qemu_ actually silently corrupt data if you do an unaligned access?
[22:34] <feep> and if not, how do I know whether my code is alignment safe?
[22:35] <feep> google says it won't, so .. darn
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[22:41] <duckinator> feep: what do you have running in qemu?
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[22:41] <emusan> chatbot
[22:41] <feep> duckinator: question bot
[22:41] <duckinator> ah
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[22:42] <feep> ... that was brief
[22:42] <emusan> MystX: still not working?
[22:42] <MystX> 0.o
[22:42] <MystX> god DCd for excess flood
[22:42] <MystX> got*
[22:42] <feep> in summary
[22:42] <feep> neat wins everything foever.
[22:42] <feep> *r
[22:42] <MystX> waty
[22:42] <feep> MystX: neat is the language my bot is written in :D
[22:43] <MystX> Sounds gayer than python
[22:43] <feep> https://github.com/FeepingCreature/neatbot/blob/master/neatbot.nt it's proud of its sexuality!
[22:43] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: maybe because you are both on EC2
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[22:44] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: doubt it
[22:45] <MystX> It wouldnt let me connect in that case
[22:45] <MystX> Wait..
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[22:46] <dnova_> !metar kiag
[22:46] <feep> MystX: why not wireshark and see?
[22:46] <dnova_> whoops
[22:46] <feep> the ancient warrior's shout
[22:46] <feep> !METARR KIAGHH
[22:46] <feep> (skyrim jokes optional)
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[22:47] <izua__> y u no fus ro dah?
[22:47] <tntexplosivesltd> I win
[22:47] <tntexplosivesltd> izua__: because it's cliche
[22:47] <feep> btw, the neat compiler is written in D, which makes neat the ultimate hipster's language
[22:48] <feep> "it's so niche, you probably don't even have the compiler for the compiler. "
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[22:48] <MystX> Yep
[22:48] <feep> woo
[22:48] <feep> gj
[22:48] <MystX> So i just found major bug in modbto
[22:48] <feep> what's that do?
[22:48] <emusan> yay, we should have a bot fight!
[22:49] <MystX> modbot*
[22:49] <MystX> !load omegle
[22:49] <MystX> >_>
[22:49] <Kostic> Sorry guys, my X server screamed... Where's our troll?
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[22:49] <feep> major bug(s)
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[22:50] <MystX> Yeah
[22:50] <MystX> !load omegle
[22:50] <JustForOmegle> Loaded module 'omegle'.
[22:50] <MystX> >_>
[22:50] <MystX> Owait
[22:50] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: captchas
[22:51] <MystX> Ah we'll try it
[22:51] <MystX> !omegle
[22:51] <JustForOmegle> Recaptcha required: http://goo.gl/qMwop
[22:51] <MystX> !cap early scallof
[22:51] <JustForOmegle> Recaptcha accepted!
[22:51] <JustForOmegle> Connected to a stranger. Say hi!
[22:51] <JustForOmegle> Stranger: Check out the Omegle for adults at 'BabesOfOmegle(dot)com'
[22:51] <MystX> NO
[22:52] <MystX> !disconnect
[22:52] <JustForOmegle> You have disconnected.
[22:52] <feep> this is so stupid..
[22:52] <MystX> Lol
[22:52] <emusan> lol
[22:52] <MystX> It works better when its not on an amazon machine that's been put on omegle's spam list
[22:52] <tntexplosivesltd> !omegle
[22:52] <JustForOmegle> Recaptcha required: http://goo.gl/DHYHH
[22:53] <tntexplosivesltd> !cap lotedbu perceptual
[22:53] <JustForOmegle> Recaptcha accepted!
[22:53] <JustForOmegle> Connected to a stranger. Say hi!
[22:53] <MystX> ^it also has spy mode and party mode, but the captchas ruin it
[22:53] <emusan> are there actually any kids here?
[22:53] <tntexplosivesltd> heya
[22:53] <MystX> >_>
[22:53] * MystX coughs
[22:53] <JustForOmegle> Stranger: ... this is so weird
[22:53] <tntexplosivesltd> anything?
[22:53] <feep> I am 12 and what is this
[22:53] <JustForOmegle> Stranger disconnected
[22:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[22:53] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
[22:53] <emusan> lol
[22:53] <MystX> Poeple are boring
[22:53] <emusan> meh...
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[22:53] <emusan> just gotta keep trying :P
[22:53] <feep> poeple: an infantile pope
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[22:55] <MystX> My brother just put on twitter "Happy birthday, ya fuck"
[22:55] <MystX> What a nice guy
[22:55] <emusan> it's your birthday?
[22:55] <MystX> Yeah >_>
[22:55] <emusan> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
[22:56] <MystX> Thank you
[22:56] <feep> -.. you fuck
[22:56] <feep> :D
[22:56] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: still no mention of the coolrunner
[22:57] <tntexplosivesltd> what is this?
[22:57] <koaschten> damn i need a 3d printer ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrLEiujfQh8
[22:57] <emusan> niice
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[22:58] <emusan> how fast do you think the first thousand will go?
[22:58] <MystX> I need a R-Pi
[22:58] <emusan> like should I stay up to get it soon after they open shop?
[22:58] <tntexplosivesltd> emusan: too fast =( probably
[22:58] <tntexplosivesltd> I plan to XD
[22:59] <koaschten> i say, the shop goes down before it sells out ;)
[22:59] <emusan> that's what I'm guessing lol
[23:00] <emusan> hopefully it's just 1 per address...
[23:00] <emusan> or one per city lol
[23:00] <emusan> then I'll get one :P
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[23:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I hope people aren't c**ts about it
[23:02] <emusan> same...
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[23:03] <mrDragons> Oh cool it connects.
[23:03] <mrDragons> >_>
[23:03] <mrDragons> <_<
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[23:04] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: what's it in?
[23:05] <emusan> lol this is gonna be a bot channel soon
[23:05] <MystX> Yeah
[23:05] <mrDragons> Not much yet, but I want to make sure I have a nice foundation to build off of first
[23:06] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: I mean what's it written in?
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[23:11] <mrDragons> hello
[23:12] * Kostic is now known as KosticBot
[23:12] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: what is the bot written in?
[23:12] <KosticBot> Hello, carbon-based lifeforms...
[23:12] <emusan> oh noes!
[23:12] <emusan> it's sentient!
[23:12] <mrDragons> Oh, it's writeen in python
[23:12] <tntexplosivesltd> loool
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[23:12] <tntexplosivesltd> cheese it
[23:12] * KosticBot is now known as Kostic
[23:12] <tntexplosivesltd> ah good
[23:12] <Kostic> had to do it...
[23:13] <tntexplosivesltd> we defeated them... this time...
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[23:13] <mrDragons> hello pibot
[23:13] <tntexplosivesltd> MECH!!!!
[23:13] <Kostic> There back! shoot!!!
[23:13] <tntexplosivesltd> (falling skies anyone?)
[23:14] <emusan> pew pew!
[23:14] <Kostic> rayyyyyyyy. rayyyyy...
[23:14] <mrDragons> hello pibot
[23:15] <mrDragons> fuuuuu
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[23:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ek ek ek ek ek ek ek ek ek
[23:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[23:15] <tntexplosivesltd> okay that's probably enough
[23:16] <tntexplosivesltd> use a testing chan
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[23:16] <feep> mine works :D
[23:16] <Kostic> mrDragons: source code?
[23:16] <mrDragons> Not yet
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[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <emusan> omy
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
[23:16] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[23:16] <PircBot> Hehe, sorry, just testings
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[23:16] <mrDragons> Osh
[23:16] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: use #bots thanks
[23:16] <mrDragons> Sorry. >_>
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[23:18] <mrDragons> It's only 50 lines of code so far though, really not worth sharing
[23:19] <Kostic> mrDragons: Il tell you to Richard Stallman if you don't give me the source!
[23:19] <Kostic> xD
[23:19] <mrDragons> Oh noes not mr.stallman! D:
[23:26] <Kostic> mrDragons: You're using this http://www.g-loaded.eu/2007/01/31/python-irc-bot/ ??
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[23:35] <_inc> what are some good potential projects for a Pi in a car? (besides media playback)
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[23:35] <emusan> replace your anti-lock brakes?
[23:35] <emusan> oh you said good...
[23:36] <emusan> wot about a gps or maps kinda thing?
[23:36] <_inc> emusan: iphone
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[23:37] <_inc> gps/remote garage door openy thing -> that would be good
[23:37] <emusan> yea...
[23:37] <emusan> you mean using the gps to know where you are and auto-opening the door right?
[23:38] <_inc> yup, though i thought of better ways :P
[23:39] <_inc> perhaps interface with diagnostics so it could tell you about detected faults more clearly
[23:39] <emusan> that would be neat...
[23:39] <_inc> rather than just 1 light meaning 50 different potential problems
[23:40] <emusan> what kind of car do you have?
[23:40] <emusan> like a prius?
[23:41] <_inc> VW Polo
[23:41] <mrDragons> Kostic: No, I'ma programming it
[23:41] <MystX> God dammit i hate windows
[23:42] <emusan> then why use it?
[23:42] <mrDragons> I hear that
[23:42] <_inc> emusan: work
[23:42] <_inc> as in career
[23:43] <_inc> corporation likely
[23:43] <MystX> Yup
[23:51] * johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-167-31.client.wireless.msu.edu) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)
[23:56] <_inc> GPS does look like an interesting project actually. OpenStreetMap has come a long way since i last checked

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