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IRC Log for 2012-01-20

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[0:00] <emusan> you would have to probably get a seperate gps thing though...
[0:00] <emusan> unless you tethered to your phone...
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[0:02] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: http://www.futurlec.com/GPS.shtml
[0:02] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: have you implemented this in your car?
[0:03] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[0:03] <tntexplosivesltd> haven't bought one yet
[0:04] <_inc> any pointers on good navigation software?
[0:04] <tntexplosivesltd> nope XD
[0:05] <_inc> i'll browse http://www.mp3car.com for solutions
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[0:09] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Screenshots_gallery
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[0:10] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[0:31] <mrDragons> zomg dictionary data structures in python are the best things ever
[0:31] <mrDragons> Ever
[0:31] <emusan> better than sex?
[0:32] <mrDragons> Yes.
[0:32] <emusan> oh my
[0:32] <emusan> I should learn python :P
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> no, they really aren't that great
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> what's so great about them?
[0:32] <mrDragons> I just learned what they are. :P
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[0:33] <mrDragons> Lighten up.
[0:33] <emusan> lol
[0:33] <tntexplosivesltd> there are similar things in a lot of languages
[0:33] <mrDragons> I know
[0:33] <tntexplosivesltd> so really dictionary structures in general are awesome =D
[0:34] <mrDragons> ^_^
[0:35] <mrDragons> I'm feeling really super happy right now. Weird.
[0:35] <cousteau> also, they don't only take strings as keys
[0:35] <emusan> lol is it so bad to be happy?
[0:35] <cousteau> they can take any hashable object (usually immutable ones, such as tuples)
[0:36] <mrDragons> Hmmm... But can you put dictionaries inside dictionaries? >_>
[0:36] <cousteau> {(0,0,0): "south west", (0,1,0): "north west", (1,0,0): "north east"}
[0:36] <cousteau> mrDragons, of course
[0:36] <cousteau> (as values, not as keys
[0:37] <cousteau> you can put ANY object as the dict value
[0:37] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmm memory overhead
[0:37] <mrDragons> :P
[0:38] <emusan> pfff memory
[0:38] <izua> processing overhead
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[0:43] <mrDragons> Well, noone said it was going to be a particularly lightweight bot. >_>
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[0:43] <tntexplosivesltd> but it should be
[0:43] <tntexplosivesltd> otherwise you feel dirty
[0:44] <mrDragons> True
[0:44] <emusan> not always bad ;)
[0:44] <emusan> lol
[0:45] <tntexplosivesltd> erm...
[0:45] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[0:46] <mrDragons> It's just one simple dictionary though. Besides the implied doubled memory from a garbage collector, how much more worse would it be than C or something?
[0:46] <emusan> depends...
[0:46] <emusan> on who's programming the C :P
[0:46] <mrDragons> Well, C isn't a good example because C is awesome...
[0:46] <emusan> and the python...
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[0:47] <feep> I just want to note here
[0:47] <cousteau> program the bot in C!
[0:47] <cousteau> no!
[0:47] <feep> armswerbot is at 2MB total memory consumption.
[0:47] <cousteau> program the bot in assembly!
[0:48] <feep> (1.4 for the platform, 600k for the q/a module)
[0:48] <mrDragons> >_>
[0:48] <emusan> nice...
[0:48] <feep> :3
[0:48] <emusan> hows mrDragons doing?
[0:48] <mrDragons> It can say hello back, and go away! :3
[0:48] <feep> :3
[0:48] <mrDragons> Check #bots
[0:48] * cousteau once did some sort of RIC bot attempt
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[0:49] <cousteau> s/RIC/IRC/
[0:49] <feep> (neat supports optional garbage collection as well as powerful manual management)
[0:49] <emusan> mrDragons: hows the memory consumption though?
[0:49] <mrDragons> Let me check
[0:50] <Wolfram74> howdy everybody, how hard do you think it'll be to buy these things?
[0:50] <Wolfram74> think they'll go fast?
[0:50] <feep> yes, but
[0:50] <feep> we're biased
[0:50] <feep> current thinking is "you probably won'
[0:50] <emusan> biased?
[0:51] <feep> "you probably won't be able to buy one because the shop site will start timing out five minutes after the announcement"
[0:51] <cousteau> speaking of "hurd", do you think it'll be possible to install GNU/Hurd on RPi?
[0:51] <cousteau> (random thought)
[0:52] <Wolfram74> cousteau: was that intentional?
[0:52] <Wolfram74> also: what are there plans for the second run? larger production scale?
[0:52] <cousteau> "Congratulations! You probably won'
[0:52] <emusan> I think another 9k...
[0:52] <emusan> maybe?
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[0:52] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
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[0:54] <mrDragons> emusan: Est 2.8M
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[0:55] <emusan> not bad...
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[0:56] <Wolfram74> where would i look for announcements about them going on sale?
[0:56] <emusan> raspberrypi.org
[0:56] <emusan> and here
[0:56] <hamitron> I never rush into new stuff, so will wait for 2nd batch ;)
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[0:57] <Wolfram74> i'm thinking of using an RPi to replace my traveling computer, since it'll be a bit more no-nonsense, having it around when i want to work will be for the best
[0:59] <emusan> what will you do for a screen and mouse+keyboard?
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[1:00] <Wolfram74> keyboard/mouse are pretty portable, screens around the physics building, i'll borrow one if i need one
[1:01] <Wolfram74> i actually have a mouse in my backpack already
[1:01] <emusan> ah
[1:01] <Wolfram74> but i tend to go keyboard centric anyway
[1:01] <emusan> yea...
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[1:05] <emusan> Wolfram74: are you in school now?
[1:06] <Wolfram74> physics student, yes
[1:06] <emusan> wheres?
[1:06] <_inc> ewhy not a laptop?
[1:06] <emusan> I hate bringing my laptop to classes myself...
[1:06] <Wolfram74> University of Iowa
[1:06] <emusan> but that's cuz I haz 17" screen lol
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[1:07] <emusan> too big for mosts desks...
[1:07] <emusan> plus physics courses are mostly greek...
[1:07] <Wolfram74> and i do use my laptop, but if the RPi can let me program and LaTex and weight 50 grams instead of a kilo and a half
[1:07] <Wolfram74> biking will be much more polite
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[1:08] <_inc> 17??? to me thats like owning an SUV for just weekend grocery shopping
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[1:08] <feep> ;load qa
[1:08] <armswerbot> Defined []
[1:08] <emusan> well it's my only comp...
[1:08] <_inc> different tastes :)
[1:08] <emusan> maybe lol
[1:08] <emusan> I <3 screen realestate
[1:09] <emusan> I wanna try to get a 23" monitor sometime...
[1:09] <emusan> but I don't have any good way to bring it back home...
[1:09] <_inc> hence why i have a 13" with an external 19" monitor at home
[1:09] <victhor> ever tried buying a smaller laptop and a large screen?
[1:10] <emusan> at the time I got this it was ~$650...
[1:10] <emusan> anything smaller would have been far less powerful in that price range
[1:10] <emusan> at the time...
[1:11] <victhor> I don't get the reasoning behind a 17" laptop. I believe they are supposed to be almost as powerful as a desktop but more portable than one...
[1:11] <victhor> the price of one makes you think if you should just buy a smaller laptop and a desktop computer instead...
[1:11] <victhor> s/one/them
[1:12] <hamitron> good for a desktop replacement.... so you can pack it up easy to do other work at the desk
[1:12] <emusan> this ^
[1:12] <emusan> I don't have much desk space...
[1:12] <ReggieUK> 17" laptop would be ideal for me
[1:12] <emusan> and I live 6-8 hours away
[1:12] <emusan> so I have to go by car or more often bus
[1:12] <emusan> I'm not bringing a desktop on a bus lol
[1:12] <victhor> my laptop stays in the desk more often than not...
[1:12] <ReggieUK> right now I'm stuck between putting a PC in the garage and using the laptop in the back garden because that's what I'm stuck with
[1:13] <hamitron> victhor, not for everyone
[1:13] <hamitron> :)
[1:13] <hamitron> I used one at uni, so it was easy to take home while away
[1:13] <ReggieUK> the PC will be more usable but not practical in the back garden
[1:14] <emusan> oh and I /need/ a good keyboard
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[1:14] <emusan> with a numpad preferably
[1:14] <emusan> which smaller-screened laptops don't have...
[1:14] <_inc> ReggieUK: those are the only areas of the household you are allowed access to? I dont get your predicament
[1:14] <_inc> :P
[1:14] <hamitron> could get a usb numpad
[1:14] <hamitron> ;)
[1:14] <emusan> lol that's just awkward...
[1:14] <emusan> like I said the desks here are tiny...
[1:14] <ReggieUK> I need a portable PC for doing stuff in the garage and in the back garden
[1:15] <emusan> like outside???
[1:15] <ReggieUK> laptop isn't really quite as powerful as I'd like
[1:15] <emusan> but the sun's out there!
[1:15] <ReggieUK> yeah, outside
[1:15] <ReggieUK> where life is
[1:15] <emusan> or you mean at night?
[1:15] <emusan> :P
[1:15] <ReggieUK> not at night it isn't
[1:15] <hamitron> sun? some of us are from the UK ;)
[1:15] <emusan> wewt
[1:15] <_inc> its awesome coding in the garden
[1:15] <victhor> we have a 15.6" one that has a numpad
[1:15] <emusan> I don't have a garden...
[1:16] <ReggieUK> mines shared
[1:16] <victhor> I got a 14" one that doesn't have it. It was less expensive and was smaller...
[1:16] <hamitron> I hate reflections on a screen :/
[1:16] <victhor> who likes them? I hate those glossy screens
[1:16] <ReggieUK> this is at night so reflections don't exist in that sense
[1:16] <hamitron> my matt screen can't be seen
[1:16] <hamitron> ;)
[1:16] <hamitron> so you get flies
[1:16] <hamitron> \o/
[1:16] <_inc> ReggieUK: its freezing out tonight, are you bloody nuts?
[1:16] <hamitron> moths too
[1:17] <emusan> !w
[1:17] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Thu Jan 19 23:54:00 2012. Temp 271K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 61%, Later 28??F - 16??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers.
[1:17] <ReggieUK> no that's why i'm indoors :D
[1:17] <emusan> this freezing?
[1:17] <hamitron> room temp is.... 12 C
[1:17] <hamitron> cold enough
[1:17] <hamitron> :/
[1:17] <_inc> wtf is ??F?
[1:17] <_inc> !w
[1:17] <emusan> idk..
[1:17] <hamitron> 56 F
[1:17] <hamitron> :)
[1:17] <ReggieUK> ??F = ??C with some maths
[1:17] <hamitron> sorry, assumed you wanted C
[1:18] <ReggieUK> I would happily stand out in the cold though, as long as the sky is clear
[1:18] <emusan> same...
[1:18] <hamitron> outdoor lights are annoying :/
[1:18] <emusan> <3 the cold
[1:19] <ReggieUK> although I certainly wouldn't be cold :)
[1:19] <_inc> not with this coastal wind you wont
[1:19] <emusan> _inc: you in the UK?
[1:19] <ReggieUK> pfft, this is not cold particularly
[1:19] <_inc> emusan: indeed
[1:19] <hamitron> my seat had ice on it, before I put it to bed earlier
[1:19] <hamitron> :/
[1:19] <emusan> then why don't you know Celcius?
[1:20] <_inc> emusan: i do...
[1:20] <emusan> oh...
[1:20] <_inc> 00:17 _inc: wtf is ??F?
[1:20] <hamitron> most use F don't they?
[1:20] <emusan> no...
[1:20] <hamitron> apart from online, where it is loads of youngsters
[1:20] <hamitron> ;)
[1:20] <emusan> didn't we have this discussion awhile ago?
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[1:21] <hamitron> well, most people I know use F
[1:21] <emusan> the majority of Europe at least uses celcius...
[1:21] <emusan> if not all of it
[1:21] <emusan> you're in the US right?
[1:21] <hamitron> UK
[1:21] <emusan> oh..
[1:21] <emusan> didn't know that anyone there used F...
[1:21] <emusan> lol
[1:22] <hamitron> yeh, we used F till the metric system was forced upon us
[1:22] <hamitron> ;)
[1:22] <emusan> well everyone knows Kelvin is da best
[1:22] <hamitron> but many till use imperial
[1:22] <emusan> the one "true" temperature scale :P
[1:22] <hamitron> lies
[1:22] <hamitron> ;)
[1:22] <ReggieUK> zomg, temperature measurement snobs :D
[1:22] <_inc> hamitron: I'm guessing im considerably younger than you then
[1:23] <hamitron> I'm 29, my generation use both
[1:23] <hamitron> kinda have to, so the oldies understand
[1:23] <hamitron> ;)
[1:23] <_inc> I am your generation, I dont know 1 person who knows farenheit
[1:23] <hamitron> seriously?
[1:24] <_inc> yea
[1:24] <Hideki> hello!
[1:24] <hamitron> :|
[1:24] <_inc> maybe my grandparents
[1:24] <ReggieUK> whereas us oldies actually know how to do it, so FUA
[1:24] <Hideki> 36 here and we used F and C, even at school
[1:24] <Hideki> and logical as kelvin is, your average man on the street doesn't know what it is
[1:24] <hamitron> _inc, so you don't use inches either?
[1:24] <emusan> that's the point Hideki
[1:24] <emusan> makes me feel smart :P
[1:24] <_inc> maybe the Raspberry Pi foundation can help solve this lunacy
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[1:25] <_inc> hamitron: nope
[1:25] <_inc> i understand the concept :P
[1:25] <hamitron> what is this madness? /o\
[1:25] <emusan> I don't...
[1:25] <emusan> and I'm american...
[1:25] <emusan> I haven't used inches in years
[1:25] <hamitron> hmmm
[1:25] <_inc> it's the unit in which monitors are measured in across the diaganol
[1:26] <Hideki> You realise by using SI units you're supporting terrorism (and communism ((and the french)))
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[1:26] <emusan> _inc: lol that's true...
[1:26] <emusan> Hideki: I <3 communism...
[1:26] <Hideki> lol
[1:26] <emusan> and the french are okay
[1:26] <Hideki> sorry, I think I turned into fox news for a moment
[1:26] <Hideki> best see my quack about that
[1:26] <hamitron> Hideki, I think the French are the reason most here choose Imperial units, just to not do as they are told ;)
[1:27] <ReggieUK> the french are fine unless theres an election coming up
[1:27] <ReggieUK> then they're just haters
[1:27] <ReggieUK> or at least their politicians are
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[1:30] <_inc> I think we need a bot to keep track of the topic changes on this channels conversation
[1:30] <emusan> why?
[1:31] <emusan> that's the fun in it lol
[1:31] <_inc> Remember pop tarts man?
[1:31] <emusan> the food?
[1:31] <emusan> or some person?
[1:31] <_inc> yup
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[1:32] <_inc> found those things in Morrisons the other day
[1:32] <emusan> lol thought you didn't wanna change the conversation topic...
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[1:32] <_inc> i dont know much on french politicians
[1:33] <hamitron> most things I know can't be repeated in polite convo
[1:33] <hamitron> ;)
[1:33] <ReggieUK> I only really know of one but he's a twat
[1:33] <hamitron> so change of topic is good
[1:33] <hamitron> ^ my point
[1:33] <hamitron> :D
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[1:56] <mrDragons> My bot is slowly getting smarter. ^_^
[1:56] <emusan> wewt
[1:56] <emusan> how long till it takes over the world?
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[1:56] <mrDragons> -2 minutes. >_>
[1:56] <emusan> oh noes!
[1:57] <ReggieUK> it hasn't got smarter
[1:57] <ReggieUK> you're just getting sucked in!
[1:57] <ReggieUK> if it starts calling you 'dave' it's time to get worried
[1:58] <mrDragons> :P
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[3:00] <emusan> wb
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[3:15] <MystX> Nickelback song comes up on laptop
[3:15] <MystX> Set fire to laptop
[3:16] <emusan> :D
[3:16] <ReggieUK> punch laptop
[3:16] <emusan> I've never heard nickelback...
[3:16] <emusan> at least not that I know of...
[3:18] <koaschten> http://www.propublica.org/nerds/item/sopa-opera-update
[3:22] <emusan> wewt
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[3:37] <Wolfram74> oh hi emusan
[3:37] <emusan> lol took you a bit
[3:38] <Wolfram74> i was cooking a bit
[3:38] <Wolfram74> surprising that you remembered me
[3:38] <emusan> wasn't that long ago :P
[3:41] <Wolfram74> anybody know what the final production rate on RPi is aimed at?
[3:41] <Wolfram74> i won't be surprised if i don't get one in the first run, but i hope they take the demand as a reason to hurry up with the second run
[3:42] <emusan> I think after the first sells out they will make decisions
[3:42] <emusan> based on how fast...
[3:42] <emusan> there's some video's around explaining it all
[3:42] <emusan> I think one is still up on the front page lol
[3:42] <Tobias|> Hope the site they sell it on is scalable and doesn't die
[3:42] <emusan> we all do lol
[3:43] <emusan> something that could handle a BoC on woot
[3:44] <emusan> !w
[3:44] <PiBot> emusan: in Syracuse, NY on Fri Jan 20 01:54:00 2012. Temp 272K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 61%, Later 29??F - 16??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers.
[3:44] <emusan> ground is covered in snow lol
[3:45] <Wolfram74> i could see keeping a few flash cards around configured to do different things
[3:45] <emusan> on the RPi?
[3:45] <Wolfram74> since the RPi basically can turn into a different computer when you swap out flash cards
[3:45] <emusan> yea...
[3:46] <Tobias|> I was just planning on keeping a few r-pi's around in future ;p
[3:46] <Tobias|> Though I'll need to wait a fair while for that to become a reailty
[3:46] <Tobias|> reality*
[3:47] <Wolfram74> how expensive are wifi dongles :googles:
[3:48] <Tobias|> few dollars
[3:48] <emusan> I'm prolly gonna pick up a USB soundcard off DX
[3:48] <Tobias|> will link you some, Wolfram74
[3:48] <Wolfram74> holy cats
[3:48] <Wolfram74> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=wifi+dongle&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=9804851977518430890&sa=X&ei=z9UYT8GaKPGCsgLYk53iCw&ved=0CIEBEPMCMAE
[3:48] <emusan> bwah
[3:48] <Wolfram74> 150 mbps at 5 dollars?
[3:48] <emusan> m_b_ps...
[3:48] <emusan> not Bytes..
[3:48] <emusan> still a good amount though lol
[3:49] <Wolfram74> so it's a factor of 8 smaller
[3:49] <Wolfram74> i don't think i ever get on a network with more than 5 mBps
[3:49] <Tobias|> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/802-11n-b-g-150mbps-usb-wireless-adapter-with-detachable-antenna-33997
[3:49] <emusan> <3 DX...
[3:49] <Tobias|> I believe that's the one I was looking at
[3:50] <Tobias|> I like the idea of having the SMA connector
[3:50] <Wolfram74> the detachable antenna?
[3:50] <Wolfram74> could be nice i suppose
[3:50] <Tobias|> I have a 25dB wifi dish on my roof
[3:51] <Tobias|> (i.e. a very high gain directional antenna :P)
[3:51] <Wolfram74> so does it transmit as well as recieve?
[3:51] <MystX> I plan on making two of them soon after getting a R-Pi =D
[3:51] <Tobias|> The antenna? yeah
[3:52] <emusan> wots the power consumption? lol
[3:52] <MystX> For super directional link over ~5km
[3:52] <Tobias|> Not much, emusan
[3:52] <Tobias|> I currently use it with a 50mW USB dongle
[3:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ah you're already here
[3:52] <emusan> oh
[3:53] <Tobias|> Though I don't have the exact one on DX atm
[3:53] <Tobias|> That could be more/less
[3:55] <Wolfram74> i don't think i could get line of sight from my house to the physics building
[3:55] <Wolfram74> if i could, that would be interesting
[3:57] <emusan> provide enough power and who cares about line of sight?
[3:57] <emusan> 1.21 GIGAWATTS???
[3:58] <Wolfram74> well line of sight would make it cleaner, less bleed
[3:59] <Wolfram74> maybe i could set up a convoluted relay of mirrors and transmit information via infra-red laser
[3:59] <emusan> that's not the best lol
[3:59] <Tobias|> emusan, line of sight is still extremely important, regardless of transmission power :p
[3:59] <emusan> move slightly and it's all messed up...
[4:02] <Tobias|> Wonder if an r-pi'd be able to handle the processing for a funcube dongle
[4:02] <emusan> Tobias|: there is a point where it really wouldn't make a significant distance...
[4:02] <emusan> difference*
[4:02] <Tobias|> I think you mean difference :p
[4:02] <Tobias|> yeah
[4:03] <emusan> of course people would die...
[4:03] <emusan> but science!
[4:04] <Tobias|> Hmm, not sure if people'd die
[4:04] <Tobias|> Your antenna might melt though :p
[4:04] <Wolfram74> light travels in straight lines, if i'm over the horizon i either have to bounce it off the ionosphere, or melt through the top soil
[4:04] <emusan> make it out of unobtanium :P
[4:04] <emusan> Wolfram74: or use the moon...
[4:04] <emusan> or satellites
[4:04] <Tobias|> Wolfram74, don't forget refraction/diffraction :p
[4:05] <emusan> that too
[4:05] <emusan> I hate optics -_-
[4:05] <Tobias|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife-Edge_diffraction
[4:05] <Tobias|> You could use that for longer range wireless
[4:06] <emusan> or quantum coupling/whatever they call it
[4:06] <emusan> that still kinda needs line of sight right now though...
[4:06] <Tobias|> It needs reasonably ideal conditions, but not necessarily line of sight :p
[4:07] <Tobias|> http://www.atis.org/glossary/images/knife_ac.gif
[4:07] <emusan> well they haven't done it without only moving one of the particles in a straight line down a tube...
[4:07] <emusan> afaik
[4:07] <MystX> Wolfram74: Not if you use a low frequency
[4:08] <Wolfram74> quantum entanglement, emusan
[4:08] <emusan> right lol
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: but it's light
[4:08] <Wolfram74> i'll stick with mirrors and lasers
[4:08] <emusan> and I'm taking quantum mechaics :S I should know this stuff
[4:08] <MystX> Oh is he talking about actual light?
[4:08] <MystX> carry on then
[4:08] <emusan> lol
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> think so =P
[4:09] <MystX> well, im still right
[4:09] <MystX> for extremely low frequencies of light
[4:09] <Wolfram74> oh, emusan, are you a physics student? or just general purpose physics?
[4:09] <emusan> dual major...
[4:09] <emusan> physics and electrical engineering...
[4:09] <emusan> not sure what kind of physics yet but I have some time to decide
[4:09] <Wolfram74> fairly reasonable
[4:09] <emusan> probably something to do with E&M though
[4:10] <emusan> 4 year dual major...
[4:10] <emusan> it's a ton of work
[4:10] <Wolfram74> you're an undergraduate, do you really need to chose a specialty? isn't catching up on nearly 3 thousand years of work enough?
[4:10] <emusan> umm...
[4:10] <emusan> well I'm probably not going to grad school...
[4:10] <Wolfram74> don't i know it, i tried double majoring chemistry and physics
[4:10] <emusan> but I want a focus...
[4:11] <Wolfram74> unfortunately the spread diverted my attention from learning either terribly well
[4:11] <Wolfram74> i'm doing a 5th year to re-spackle my E&M and QM
[4:11] <emusan> senior year I'll have a chance to take graduate courses
[4:11] <emusan> so I wanna choose well for that...
[4:11] <emusan> in something I'm interested in
[4:11] <Wolfram74> you 2nd or 3rd year?
[4:11] <emusan> and that would be my "focus"
[4:11] <emusan> 1st..
[4:11] <Wolfram74> taking QM makes me think 3rd
[4:11] <Wolfram74> oh
[4:11] <emusan> lol...
[4:11] <Wolfram74> must be baby level Quantum then
[4:11] <emusan> took AP physics in highschool
[4:12] <emusan> not baby...
[4:12] <emusan> I don't think...
[4:12] <emusan> just a sec...
[4:12] <Wolfram74> you worked with 3 dimensional wave equations and quantized angular momentum?
[4:12] <emusan> umm...
[4:12] <emusan> not yet?
[4:12] <emusan> well I've done 3-dimensional wave equation
[4:12] <emusan> a little
[4:12] <emusan> last semester
[4:13] <Wolfram74> poke around with the transmission/reflection in finite square wells?
[4:13] <emusan> no...
[4:13] <emusan> what's that taught in? lol
[4:13] <emusan> oh wait...
[4:13] <Wolfram74> i mean, there's nothing wrong with beginning courses, physics is a highly iterative subject
[4:13] <emusan> what do you mean by square well?
[4:13] <Wolfram74> a region, say from 0<x<a has a potential V=-Vo
[4:14] <Wolfram74> everywhere else it's equal to 0
[4:14] <emusan> err... no...
[4:14] <emusan> and yea, this is not true QM...
[4:14] <emusan> that is a junior course... but sophomore for me
[4:14] <emusan> mine is just "modern physics" right now
[4:14] <Wolfram74> yeah, it's fine
[4:14] <emusan> I just can't wait for senior year lol
[4:14] <emusan> Advanced E&M 1+2
[4:14] <emusan> that course will rape me
[4:14] <emusan> and I'l like it
[4:15] <Wolfram74> at iowa we have a 2 year block where we go over, at more or less an algebra level of sophistication, all the phenomen and some of the treatments
[4:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[4:15] <Wolfram74> and then you just go over more and more robust treatments of similar material
[4:15] <emusan> http://www.phy.syr.edu/UnBS.htm
[4:15] <emusan> there's my outline type thing...
[4:15] <Wolfram74> if you want an interesting field to specialize in that has to do with E&M, you could check out plasma physics
[4:16] <emusan> yea...
[4:16] <emusan> was thinking of that
[4:16] <emusan> cause I know a guy working on the fission reactor at MIT :P
[4:16] <emusan> could prolly get some research if I wanted...
[4:16] <Wolfram74> it's my "field", sort of
[4:16] <emusan> he gave me a tour...
[4:16] <emusan> it was amazing lol
[4:17] <Wolfram74> psst: plasmas would be involved with fusion, not fission, but yes, interesting applications all around
[4:17] <emusan> didn't get to see it running though :'(
[4:17] <emusan> meant to say fusion
[4:17] <emusan> it's late :(
[4:17] <Wolfram74> so'k
[4:17] <Wolfram74> your math curriculum looks a lot like ours
[4:17] <emusan> yea...
[4:17] <emusan> almost done with it rofl
[4:17] <Wolfram74> cept we have diff eq and linear algebra as seperate classes
[4:18] <emusan> just have partial diff. which isn't even required...
[4:18] <Wolfram74> VW&O?
[4:18] <Wolfram74> exp. phys I i'm guessing is experimental physics?
[4:18] <emusan> and most places do seperate diffeq/Linear Algebra, but as an engineer it's combined usually
[4:18] <emusan> yea...
[4:18] <emusan> and VW&O= Vibrations, Waves, and Optics
[4:18] <Wolfram74> also, comp sci as a requirement, reasonable, we just let peer pressure do that
[4:19] <emusan> which was a shitty idea to take first semester of college lol
[4:19] <emusan> especially without DiffEq's
[4:19] <Wolfram74> yeah, your first 4 physics classes pretty much match up with ours, we just call um physics 1-4
[4:19] <emusan> and I placed out of comp sci pretty easily rofl
[4:19] <Wolfram74> but we have two semesters of EM and QM, and they run in parallel, too
[4:19] <Wolfram74> usually
[4:19] <emusan> we have two semesters of both if you're going on to grad school...
[4:19] <emusan> which I will prolly take them anyway
[4:20] <Wolfram74> probably do it out of griffiths, bastards everywhere
[4:20] <Wolfram74> i think your school calls my intermediate mechanics advanced mechanics
[4:20] <Wolfram74> and has it as a 4th year course instead of a 2nd year course
[4:21] <Wolfram74> getting at least some familiarity with lagrangian and hamiltonian mechanics would make QM much more comprehensible
[4:21] <emusan> I wouldn't know lol
[4:21] <Wolfram74> well you don't have any other more robust treatments of classical mechanics
[4:21] <emusan> wanna help me with my homework if it ever gets bad? lol
[4:21] <Wolfram74> sure, teachings the best way to learn
[4:22] <emusan> sadly I think this semster is going to be super easy physics-wise
[4:22] <emusan> it's writing I'm worried about lol
[4:22] <emusan> my second and last semester of writing...
[4:22] <emusan> and it's complete bs :(
[4:22] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahahahaha
[4:22] <Wolfram74> https://sites.google.com/site/walloftexttldr74/
[4:22] <tntexplosivesltd> writing
[4:23] <Wolfram74> i happen to write a fair bit as well, actually
[4:23] <emusan> oh I don't mind writing in general...
[4:23] <emusan> I just hate when it's all derpy...
[4:23] <Wolfram74> trying to quantize it is kind of derp
[4:23] <emusan> our topic for the semester(as chosen by the teacher) is "how food affects culture"
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> =|
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> (??????????????????? ?????????
[4:24] <emusan> I honestly have never, do not now, and will never come close to caring about food affecting culture lol
[4:24] <Wolfram74> try going through the political-economic perspective
[4:24] <emusan> I'm an engineer...
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> oh ffs
[4:24] <Wolfram74> food is finite, we feel like reproducing infinitely, conflict insues!
[4:24] <emusan> political-economic perspective?
[4:24] <emusan> yea...
[4:24] <Wolfram74> the need for food drives all cultural violence
[4:25] <emusan> but my teacher wants us to "soul search"
[4:25] <Wolfram74> yeah, fuck that noise
[4:25] <Wolfram74> anyway
[4:25] <emusan> but writing about electronics I love :D
[4:25] <emusan> and I should do more often
[4:26] <Wolfram74> i wonder if it would be worthwhile to try and design a large MMO-type game that would run well on an RPi?
[4:26] <emusan> that would be neat..
[4:26] <emusan> but it would take awhile...
[4:27] <ReggieUK> NO
[4:27] <Wolfram74> well i'm doing bandying about a few game ideas myself
[4:28] <ReggieUK> mame should be the first goal if you want games
[4:28] <Wolfram74> combat at the 1 on 1 scale, combat at the squad skirmish scale, and what i think would be really cool would be combat at he empire scale
[4:28] <emusan> mame is already there though...
[4:28] <Wolfram74> name?
[4:28] <ReggieUK> then your work is done
[4:28] <Wolfram74> or mame?
[4:28] <emusan> MAME... Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator
[4:29] <Wolfram74> huh
[4:29] <emusan> how have you not heard of it??
[4:29] <emusan> one of the greatest things ever lol
[4:29] <emusan> infinite coins :P
[4:29] <Wolfram74> i didn't play a lot of arcade games when i was younger
[4:29] <emusan> neither did I...
[4:29] <emusan> that's why I love it...
[4:29] <ReggieUK> I did
[4:30] <Wolfram74> and also, i enjoy games with people more than alone
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[4:30] <Wolfram74> the game i had in mind is heavily influenced by erfworld
[4:30] <emusan> I hate people generally...
[4:30] <emusan> erfworld?
[4:31] <Wolfram74> erfworld is a world in perpetual war, turn based war, it's even fundamentally segregated by hex grids
[4:32] <Wolfram74> an "evil" side is boxed into a corner and summons using various magics that exist in it, summon from our world a table top gaming nerd under the premise of summoning " a brilliant general that has been in hundreds of wars, fights battles for fun and is huge and intimidating"
[4:33] <emusan> only mmo I ever really got into was EvE...
[4:33] <emusan> and I never wanted to pay the costs...
[4:33] <emusan> made a ton of trial accounts though lol
[4:33] <Wolfram74> i had an idea for how to make it free
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[4:33] <emusan> the MMO?
[4:34] <Wolfram74> yeah, the world would be segregated into servers a little bit
[4:34] <Wolfram74> different time scale worlds, really
[4:35] <Wolfram74> and some of those servers would have auctions for certain kinds of resources daily
[4:36] <Wolfram74> so admins get double win, 1.) funds to run the servers, 2.) up to date information on how much people value certain resources
[4:36] <Wolfram74> and players get to have places where it's not pay2win, which is something i really dislike
[4:36] <Wolfram74> also, erfworld, chapter 1, page 1 http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F001.jpg
[4:36] <emusan> hmm...
[4:37] <emusan> idk lol
[4:37] <emusan> can't really read it right now...
[4:37] <emusan> gotta do a bit of hw...
[4:37] <Wolfram74> right
[4:40] <emusan> did you say you were a senior?
[4:44] <Wolfram74> 5th year, graduating, yes
[4:44] <emusan> ah
[4:44] <emusan> lol my dual major is all in the engineering college
[4:45] <Wolfram74> i try hard to do enough of my work in the physics building so i only need to take my computer home with me
[4:45] <emusan> so I don't have to complete the A&S requrements
[4:45] <emusan> which is good since I dislike some social sciences...
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[5:40] <zabomber> check out connect.me
[5:40] <zabomber> pretty cool idea
[5:42] <emusan> on first glance looks a bit like linkedin
[5:43] <emusan> given that I hardly use social networks though idk if it would be of much use to me...
[5:43] <zabomber> check the vid... its a great mix between linkedin and the more social side of twitter and fb
[5:45] <emusan> it is interesting...
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[5:45] <emusan> not of much use to me personally though
[5:46] <emusan> I don't use those networks enough for it to be useful...
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[6:01] <mrDragons> Whoop, my bot doesn't completely suck now. ^_^
[6:02] <emusan> lol wewt
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[6:02] <mrDragons> hey pibot
[6:02] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[6:02] <emusan> Hi pibot!
[6:02] <emusan> :(
[6:02] <emusan> doesn't like me
[6:03] <emusan> hey pibot
[6:03] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, emusan!
[6:03] <mrDragons> Only responds to "hello" and "hey" atm
[6:03] <emusan> ah
[6:03] <mrDragons> PiBot: remember what's up yo?=not much mah homie.
[6:03] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:03] <mrDragons> Hey fool, what's up yo?
[6:03] <testerPiBot> not much mah homie.
[6:04] <emusan> lol
[6:04] <emusan> pibot, what is the answer to the universe?
[6:04] <mrDragons> I tried to keep it out of the way, so it only responds to certain commands and questions
[6:05] <mrDragons> Although I should have it so if you address it it will respond...
[6:05] <emusan> add math too :P
[6:06] <emusan> like pibot, what's 2+2
[6:06] <emusan> that would be fun
[6:06] <mrDragons> PiBot: remember 2 + 2=5
[6:06] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:06] <emusan> lol
[6:06] <emusan> what's 2 + 2
[6:06] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:06] <mrDragons> What's 2 + 2?
[6:06] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:06] <mrDragons> lol
[6:06] <emusan> wewt
[6:06] <emusan> beat you :P
[6:06] <zabomber> Hi pibot!
[6:07] <zabomber> hey pibot
[6:07] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, zabomber!
[6:07] <zabomber> PiBot: remember 2+2=6.1
[6:07] <testerPiBot> zabomber: I don't trust you. >_>
[6:07] <mrDragons> :P
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[6:07] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick zabomber
[6:07] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick "zabomber"
[6:07] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[6:07] <emusan> lol
[6:08] <emusan> Pibot, add trusted nick emusan
[6:08] <zabomber> nice
[6:08] <zabomber> PiBot: remember 2+2=6.1
[6:08] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:08] <emusan> oh noes
[6:08] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:08] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick "emusan"
[6:08] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[6:08] <zabomber> Whats 2+2
[6:08] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:08] <zabomber> mmm...
[6:08] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:08] <mrDragons> What's 2+2
[6:08] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:09] <emusan> what is 2 + 2
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:09] <emusan> what is 2+2
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 5
[6:09] <mrDragons> pibot, remember 2 + 2=6.1
[6:09] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:09] <mrDragons> what's 2+2?
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:09] <emusan> 2 + 2
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:09] <emusan> wewt
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:09] <mrDragons> 2+2
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:09] <mrDragons> Hmm...
[6:09] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:09] <emusan> pibot, remember is emusan sexy="yes"
[6:09] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:10] <emusan> is emusan sexy?
[6:10] <testerPiBot> "yes"
[6:10] <mrDragons> lol
[6:10] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:10] <mrDragons> go away pibot
[6:10] <testerPiBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[6:10] <emusan> lol it knows to keep the quotes
[6:10] <mrDragons> Still has a couple bugs. :P
[6:10] <emusan> still is nice though
[6:10] <emusan> gonna share sauce?
[6:11] <mrDragons> Definitely, not yet though. The code is horrible-looking atm.
[6:11] <emusan> lol that's what I always do
[6:11] <emusan> "I'll release it eventually"
[6:11] <emusan> --never
[6:11] <mrDragons> Good point
[6:12] <emusan> but it's fine lol
[6:12] <emusan> I'll just keep bugging you :P
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[6:15] <mrDragons> http://pastebin.com/ZqYf7jbt
[6:15] <mrDragons> ^^
[6:15] <emusan> ooooh
[6:15] <mrDragons> come back pibot
[6:15] <testerPiBot> I'ma back
[6:15] <mrDragons> Still buggy?
[6:15] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:15] <mrDragons> Yep
[6:15] <testerPiBot> 6.1
[6:15] <mrDragons> kill pibot
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[6:15] <emusan> lol
[6:15] <emusan> really likes that 6.1
[6:15] <mrDragons> It's a problem with definitions with no spaces
[6:16] <emusan> oh
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[6:16] <mrDragons> hi PiBot. ^_^
[6:16] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
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[6:17] <emusan> pibot, is emusan sexy?
[6:17] <emusan> oh noes!
[6:17] <emusan> he doesn't remembered
[6:17] <mrDragons> Doesn't have a save feature yet
[6:20] <emusan> lol pibot fuck
[6:20] <testerPiBot> emusan: Only if you bring your own condoms.
[6:20] <emusan> lol looking thorugh the source is great :P
[6:20] <mrDragons> Heh
[6:23] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick "emusan"
[6:23] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[6:24] <emusan> Pibot, remember I'm out of condoms=guess we'll do without
[6:24] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:24] <emusan> It's too late for this lol
[6:24] <emusan> my mind is disturbed...
[6:24] <mrDragons> Hey emusan, I'm out of condoms...
[6:24] <testerPiBot> guess we'll do without
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[6:25] <mrDragons> Hmmm...
[6:25] <LiENUS> darn i was hoping shipping would start on the 18th :P
[6:25] <emusan> that was two days ago...
[6:25] <emusan> they didn't even have confirmation of the boards being done in the far east by then...
[6:25] <emusan> iirc
[6:25] <LiENUS> i mean shipping to buyers
[6:26] <mrDragons> Pibot, remember: JOIN #raspberrypi=Hey, welcome to the channel. :)
[6:26] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:27] <emusan> #raspberrypi
[6:27] <testerPiBot> hey, welcome to the channel. :)
[6:27] <emusan> :P
[6:27] <emusan> LiENUS: but no one has bought yet?
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[6:27] <LiENUS> nah
[6:27] <testerPiBot> hey, welcome to the channel. :)
[6:27] <LiENUS> i was hoping theyd go on sale
[6:27] <testerPiBot> hey, welcome to the channel. :)
[6:27] <emusan> lol
[6:27] <emusan> buggy
[6:28] <LiENUS> im guessing they ship more or less as soon as they're bought
[6:28] <testerPiBot> hey, welcome to the channel. :)
[6:28] <mrDragons> go away pibot
[6:28] <testerPiBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[6:28] <emusan> pibot, go away
[6:28] <LiENUS> with some leeway given for them making a trip to the post office every time a single board is purchased would be ridicilous
[6:28] <LiENUS> yes im sure i misspelled that last word bu im lazy
[6:28] <LiENUS> and mad that my computer died
[6:28] <emusan> died died?
[6:28] <mrDragons> Pibot, remember: JOIN #raspberrypi=\r\n
[6:29] <emusan> or just died
[6:29] <mrDragons> pibot, come back
[6:29] <testerPiBot> I'ma back
[6:29] <mrDragons> Pibot, remember: JOIN #raspberrypi=\r\n
[6:29] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:29] <emusan> erm...
[6:29] <emusan> the message is joined #raspberrypi though...
[6:29] <testerPiBot> \r\n
[6:29] <mrDragons> kill pibot
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[6:29] <emusan> lol
[6:30] <LiENUS> you guys working on writing your own bot?
[6:30] <emusan> he is
[6:30] <LiENUS> why not use eggdrop and just use tcl to do the scripting?
[6:30] <emusan> I'm just doing bad things to it
[6:30] <mrDragons> Heh
[6:30] <mrDragons> More fun to roll my own
[6:30] <mrDragons> Although it's based on someone else's client
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[6:30] <mrDragons> So will they be shipping in bulk?
[6:31] <mrDragons> Well, not bulk, but more than one at a time?
[6:32] <emusan> no idea...
[6:36] <emusan> maybe you should add a pm mode to pibot too...
[6:37] <mrDragons> Possibly
[6:37] <LiENUS> i once wrote an ircd in tcl running on eggdrop
[6:40] <emusan> well I must be off to bed...
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[7:05] <mrDragons> Hi pibot
[7:05] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[7:06] <mrDragons> This be your new home
[7:06] <mrDragons> Be good now, you hear?
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[7:07] <mrDragons> pibot, add trusted nick "MystX"
[7:07] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[7:07] <LiENUS> so any good rumors on sale date?
[7:07] <mrDragons> pibot add trusted nick "tntexplosivesltd"
[7:07] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[7:07] <mrDragons> The best thing atm is "The end of the month." :\
[7:07] <mrDragons> When can I buy a raspberry pi?
[7:07] <testerPiBot> Likely later in January or early Febuary. Keep an eye on the store, http://www.raspberrypi.com, and subscribe to the mailing list.
[7:09] <mrDragons> Eh, what the hell
[7:09] <mrDragons> pibot, add trusted nick "LiENUS"
[7:09] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[7:09] <LiENUS> ermwat
[7:09] <LiENUS> whats a trusted niuck
[7:09] <LiENUS> nick*
[7:10] <mrDragons> It's for the bot, so you can change things on it
[7:10] <LiENUS> oh
[7:10] <mrDragons> Like "Pibot: remember 2 + 2=22"
[7:11] <tntexplosivesltd> heh, why add myf
[7:11] <tntexplosivesltd> * mystx
[7:11] <tntexplosivesltd> and me?
[7:11] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[7:11] <mrDragons> I was looking through the logs for people I knew on here, I dunno. :P
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> haha
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> mean
[7:12] <tntexplosivesltd> how's it coming along?
[7:12] <mrDragons> Good I guess
[7:12] <mrDragons> It's basic but functional
[7:13] <mrDragons> So, what does everybody plan to do with their pi?
[7:15] <tntexplosivesltd> not sure yet
[7:17] <tntexplosivesltd> probably a remote DC++ downloading
[7:18] <tntexplosivesltd> thingy
[7:18] <Da|Mummy> hey pi, are you available for purchase yet?
[7:19] <Da|Mummy> as far as what i plan with it, as long as it plays nicely with x264, it plans on being my main media player hooked up to my projector
[7:20] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
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[7:21] <MartijnVdS> I think I'm going to make mine into a portable network tester
[7:22] <LiENUS> i think im going to make mine into a media box
[7:22] <mrDragons> Same, probably
[7:22] <mrDragons> Well, both of the above
[7:22] <LiENUS> then when i can buy turn em into ip camera converters
[7:22] <testerPiBot> Likely later in January or early Febuary. Keep an eye on the store, http://www.raspberrypi.com, and subscribe to the mailing list.
[7:22] <Da|Mummy> its .org not com
[7:23] <LiENUS> ie take analog video/audio input, digitize it and stream it to a dvr
[7:23] <LiENUS> Da|Mummy, what is?
[7:23] <mrDragons> Da|Mummy: The store is .com
[7:23] <Da|Mummy> isnt it raspberry.org
[7:23] <Da|Mummy> oh
[7:23] <LiENUS> its raspberrypi and both work but store .com
[7:23] <LiENUS> news .org
[7:24] <mrDragons> Ip camera?
[7:24] <MartijnVdS> would work, once the camera boards are out
[7:25] <MartijnVdS> or even before that using USB
[7:25] <Da|Mummy> so is it tested yet wether it can do 1080p h264?
[7:25] <MartijnVdS> Da|Mummy: yes, it can, up to 30fps
[7:25] <tntexplosivesltd> video from AAAAAAGES ago
[7:25] <MartijnVdS> and no fancy things like 10 bits per channel yet
[7:26] <Da|Mummy> hows the cpu with overclocking?
[7:26] <tntexplosivesltd> check the forum
[7:27] <Da|Mummy> was hoping for a quick answer since my eyes are nearly bleeding from tiredness
[7:27] <mrDragons> There's no real quick answer to it though...
[7:28] <LiENUS> MartijnVdS, i was going to use a usb analog capture card
[7:28] <LiENUS> question is can it do realtime 230fps h264 encoding
[7:28] <LiENUS> err 30fps not 230 heh
[7:29] <mrDragons> That'd be awesome. :P
[7:30] <LiENUS> the idea is i have a buncha analog cameras at work
[7:31] <LiENUS> old ones are on bnc so this wont work for them
[7:31] <LiENUS> but new ones im running cat5 and using a balun to convert the bnc input to cat5
[7:32] <LiENUS> so later i can take a raspi, build an adapter to branch off the poe input to power the raspi and the camera
[7:32] <LiENUS> then have a usb frame grabber that the camera plugs into instead
[7:33] <Da|Mummy> which xfce works on pi?
[7:33] <LiENUS> 35$ for the pi, 15$ for the grabber, a few bucks worth of wiring for the power adapter
[7:33] <LiENUS> hopefully for 50-60$ i can upgrade all of my old cameras to ip cams
[7:33] <mrDragons> Is there more than one xfce?
[7:34] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: what do you mean?
[7:35] <Da|Mummy> i mean as far as like xubuntu and the like
[7:36] <mrDragons> Well, it's just a DE, you can install it on virtually any modern linux
[7:36] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: there's a release of xfce for every major distro
[7:37] <tntexplosivesltd> so, most of them
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[7:52] <mrDragons> PiBot, remember what official distro will the raspi use=There's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[7:52] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[7:52] <mrDragons> What is the official distro
[7:53] <mrDragons> what distro will the raspi have
[7:53] <testerPiBot> there's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[7:53] <tntexplosivesltd> shotgun not, it's a silly distro
[7:53] <mrDragons> Hmm?
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> red hat
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[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> like, paid linux
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> for servers
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> screw that
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> arch all the way
[7:55] <tntexplosivesltd> they'll be supported
[7:55] <mrDragons> Yeah, it is a bit rediculous
[7:55] <tntexplosivesltd> as will debian and fedora
[7:55] <mrDragons> But they need a consistant platform for education
[7:56] <tntexplosivesltd> debian is pretty stable
[7:56] <mrDragons> And they were talking about using it forever
[7:56] <mrDragons> I was really surprised at the mention of redhat
[7:57] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, it's odd
[7:58] <mrDragons> PiBot, remember what is the official distro for the raspi=There's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[7:58] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[7:58] <mrDragons> What is the official distro
[7:58] <testerPiBot> there's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[7:59] <mrDragons> I'm wondering if it will actually be paid-for though? Like if redhat will just provide free copies on the basis of education
[7:59] <testerPiBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[8:00] <mrDragons> wat
[8:03] <mrDragons> Pibot
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[8:03] <mrDragons> again, wat
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[8:07] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick "tntexplosivesltd"
[8:07] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[8:07] <mrDragons> Pibot, add trusted nick "ukscone"
[8:07] <testerPiBot> User added successfully.
[8:09] <mrDragons> PiBot, remember what is the official distro for the raspi=There's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[8:09] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[8:09] <tntexplosivesltd> what is the official distro for the r-pi
[8:09] <testerPiBot> there's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominant admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[8:10] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: lern2spell XD
[8:10] <mrDragons> Prominent?
[8:10] <tntexplosivesltd> prominent
[8:10] <mrDragons> PiBot, remember what is the official distro for the raspi=There's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominent admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[8:10] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[8:10] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> PiBot, remember that what are you=mrDragons likes windows
[8:11] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> what are you?
[8:11] <testerPiBot> mrdragons likes windows
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[8:11] <mrDragons> Oh you did not just go there.
[8:11] * mrDragons snaps fingers
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm sorry
[8:12] <tntexplosivesltd> I'll go hide in the corner
[8:12] * tntexplosivesltd sulks across to the corner
[8:13] <mrDragons> Hey pibot, go away for a little while
[8:13] <testerPiBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[8:13] <mrDragons> pibot, go away for a little while
[8:13] <testerPiBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[8:13] <tntexplosivesltd> now
[8:13] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
[8:14] <mrDragons> I need to add a forget feature to this. >_>
[8:15] <ahven> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxaator/ ftw :)
[8:16] <ahven> v2 seems to be a bit better than v3 though
[8:16] <mrDragons> It's more fun to code my own. :P
[8:16] <ahven> I agree :)
[8:16] <mrDragons> come back pibot
[8:16] <testerPiBot> I'ma back
[8:16] <mrDragons> It's like a pet. XD
[8:17] <mrDragons> Can the raspi run crysis on max?
[8:17] <testerPiBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
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[8:24] <pygo> http://i.imgur.com/bUonF.jpg
[8:26] <ahven> true, true :)
[8:27] <pygo> yup
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[9:16] <LiENUS> do you think the raspberry pi could emulate a nintendo64?
[9:16] <mrDragons> I don't think so imo
[9:17] <tntexplosivesltd> should do
[9:17] <LiENUS> i use to emulate a n64 on my p2 with 128mb ram...
[9:17] <LiENUS> admitedly on ultrahle
[9:17] <mrDragons> Ram isn't the issue
[9:17] <mrDragons> It's the CPU
[9:17] <mrDragons> I mean, it wouldn't hurt to try
[9:17] <LiENUS> 400mhz cpu donno how a p2 compares to an arm11 though
[9:17] <mrDragons> I just don't think it will.
[9:18] <mrDragons> But can it play crysis?
[9:18] <LiENUS> lol
[9:18] <LiENUS> what would be sweet is
[9:18] <LiENUS> get old n64 case
[9:18] <LiENUS> usb controller adapter, usb rom dumper
[9:18] <mrDragons> Definitely
[9:18] <LiENUS> put the raspi in the case, controller adapter where they go rom dumper in cartridge slot
[9:19] <LiENUS> voila
[9:19] <LiENUS> hdmi n64 :P
[9:19] <mrDragons> Heh
[9:19] <mrDragons> kill pibot
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[9:19] <mrDragons> That would be awesome
[9:19] <LiENUS> i doubt a usb backup unit exists
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[9:30] <theadmin> Huh. Didn't think that exists xD
[9:31] <theadmin> So I haz a little question -- it says Raspberry Pi will officially support ArchLinux. However, Arch doesn't officially support ARM. Does this mean I have to expect outdated packages sometimes (due to the fact we're not using the Arch from official sources)?
[9:32] <mrDragons> Possibly
[9:32] <theadmin> Meh not like I need much of it... But ok, will know
[9:32] <mrDragons> I think archarm is fairly well maintained, but you never know
[9:33] <theadmin> And, which Debian branch are they planning to use? stable?
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[9:38] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: http://archlinuxarm.org/
[9:38] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm not sure how official it actually is
[9:42] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Ain't official at all. Arch has no officially supported derivatives and the only official arch is at http://archlinux.org (and subdomains)
[9:44] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, interesting
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[9:45] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: it is actively maintained though
[9:45] <theadmin> I wonder what size are the preloaded sdcards going to be
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[9:45] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, would be good to find out
[9:46] <theadmin> Because if they're smallish (like, say, 1GB) I'm going to need external (USB) storage
[9:46] <theadmin> If they're big though I won't
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[9:52] <mrDragons> PiBot, remember what is the official distro for the raspi=There's no certain distro yet, but there has been hints from a prominent admin at the forum that the official distro will be redhat/fedora. > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/fragmentation/page-2/#p29728
[9:52] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[9:52] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis
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[9:52] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis on high
[9:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[9:52] <mrDragons> wat
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[9:53] <mrDragons> Can I run crysis on max
[9:53] <testerPiBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[9:53] <mrDragons> Weird, your input should have worked
[9:53] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis on max
[9:53] <testerPiBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[9:53] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis on high
[9:53] <tntexplosivesltd> =/
[9:53] <mrDragons> can I run crysis?
[9:54] <mrDragons> But can I run crysis on it?
[9:54] <testerPiBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[9:54] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis on
[9:54] <tntexplosivesltd> can I run crysis on ?
[9:54] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[9:54] <mrDragons> can I run crysis on it
[9:54] <testerPiBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[9:54] <theadmin> mrDragons, tntexplosivesltd: See the FAQs. "Will it run WINE (or Windows, or other x86 software)?" No.
[9:54] <testerPiBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[9:55] * theadmin hopes they were joking around though
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: lol
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> testing the bot
[9:55] <theadmin> Ah
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> see its reply
[9:55] <mrDragons> Jep. ^_^
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> autoreply
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: where's the source
[9:56] <mrDragons> On mah hard drive
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[9:57] * theadmin hopes the post won't mess up the shipping of the Pi for me. I'd be so bloody annoyed if they do... But nothing you can't expect from them, really.
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: you gonna release the source?
[9:58] <mrDragons> I pastebinned it a little while ago, but I've also added some new features since then, so
[9:59] <tntexplosivesltd> use source code management
[9:59] <tntexplosivesltd> git ftw
[10:00] <theadmin> Yep yep
[10:00] <mrDragons> Overkill for a little side project
[10:00] <mrDragons> http://pastebin.com/7k4dvL0N
[10:00] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I use it for all my tiny projects
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[10:00] <theadmin> python >.< *closes immediately*
[10:01] <mrDragons> Beware, the code is horrible. :P
[10:01] <mrDragons> And what's wrong with python? >:(
[10:01] <theadmin> mrDragons: Nothing, it's just I can't stand the forced indentation... Although you seem to use tabs, not spaces (like many do) so I guess it's pretty readable *looks again*
[10:02] <theadmin> mrDragons: Also, where's the damn shebang :/
[10:02] <tntexplosivesltd> it looks pretty unstructured XD
[10:02] <mrDragons> Shebang?
[10:03] <theadmin> mrDragons: #!/usr/bin/env python2 # Or somesuch
[10:03] <mrDragons> Meh
[10:03] <mrDragons> It's python2
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[10:03] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: it's called a hashbang
[10:03] <tntexplosivesltd> same in perl
[10:04] <tntexplosivesltd> # = hash, ! = bang
[10:04] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: It's called shebang, hashbang, crunchbang... too many names
[10:04] <tntexplosivesltd> hashbang makes the most sense ;)
[10:04] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Indeed
[10:04] <tntexplosivesltd> never heard shebang before XD
[10:04] <theadmin> Well you could call it "hashclamation" too ;)
[10:04] <theadmin> Or something
[10:05] <tntexplosivesltd> +1
[10:05] <tntexplosivesltd> that is what we shall call it
[10:05] <mrDragons> hugs tree
[10:05] <tntexplosivesltd> and it will be called hashclamation
[10:06] <mrDragons> exec -o echo -e "pibot: remember hug tree=\x01ACTION hugs a tree \x01"
[10:06] <mrDragons> pibot: remember hug tree=ACTION hugs a tree 
[10:06] <testerPiBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[10:07] <theadmin> wut
[10:07] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[10:07] <mrDragons> Go hug a tree.
[10:07] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting, not using a bot framework
[10:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:07] <mrDragons> go away pibot
[10:07] <theadmin> wtf
[10:07] <tntexplosivesltd> oh god
[10:07] <mrDragons> Wtf
[10:07] <tntexplosivesltd> what the actual fuck
[10:07] <mrDragons> How
[10:07] <mrDragons> That worked a million times before
[10:07] <theadmin> (s)he seems to really like trees
[10:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> put a timer on it .... ;-p
[10:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> also see !hump
[10:08] <mrDragons> come back pibot
[10:08] <testerPiBot> I'ma back
[10:08] <tntexplosivesltd> so who is PiBot ?
[10:08] <mrDragons> pibot, forget hug tree
[10:08] * testerPiBot forgets that.
[10:08] <tntexplosivesltd> like the nick that's already on here
[10:09] <tntexplosivesltd> there's already a PiBot
[10:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:09] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Fri Jan 20 08:50:00 2012. Temp 8??C. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 93%, Later 52??F - 45??F. Condition: Rain.
[10:09] <mrDragons> Oh for real?
[10:09] <mrDragons> Oops
[10:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:09] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 17??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 72??F - 57??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:09] <tntexplosivesltd> shit, it's 17??C ??
[10:09] <tntexplosivesltd> it's 10pm
[10:10] <tntexplosivesltd> also "Later 72??F - 57??F." wut
[10:10] <tntexplosivesltd> it's in ??C
[10:11] <tntexplosivesltd> but the forecast is not
[10:11] <Kostic> !w
[10:11] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Can't be in Celsius. 72 degrees Celsius? You kidding me? That's like deadly >.<
[10:11] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[10:12] <tntexplosivesltd> it even says F
[10:12] <theadmin> Yeah but you said it's in Celsius just now
[10:12] <mrDragons> That's like 23c
[10:12] <tntexplosivesltd> well I set it to celsius
[10:12] <tntexplosivesltd> but it looks like that part isn't converted
[10:12] <tntexplosivesltd> lol I don't even know how hot those temperatures are
[10:12] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Ah lol
[10:12] <tntexplosivesltd> USA ftl
[10:13] <theadmin> Yeah... They're like the only ones using those weird scales :/
[10:13] <theadmin> Kelvin makes more sense
[10:13] <tntexplosivesltd> it does yea
[10:13] * theadmin doesn't get how Fahrenheit works at all
[10:13] <tntexplosivesltd> it's so dumb
[10:14] <theadmin> http://notalwaysright.com/reaching-new-farenheights-of-stupidity/8867
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[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> Fahrenwhat?
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[10:15] <tntexplosivesltd> fahrengay
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[10:16] <mrDragons> What should I name it?
[10:16] <tntexplosivesltd> talkback
[10:16] <tntexplosivesltd> backtalk
[10:16] <tntexplosivesltd> answers
[10:16] <tntexplosivesltd> smartarse
[10:16] <mrDragons> Good enough. :P
[10:17] <tntexplosivesltd> idiotminder
[10:17] <Kostic> gill_bates
[10:17] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
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[10:19] <mrDragons> hey talkbot
[10:19] <mrDragons> hey talkBot
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[10:20] <mrDragons> hey talkbot
[10:20] <talkBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[10:21] <mrDragons> can the rasberry pi run crysis?
[10:21] <tntexplosivesltd> hey talkBot
[10:21] <talkBot> Hello thar, tntexplosivesltd!
[10:21] <mrDragons> That is a bit too fast
[10:21] <theadmin> wtf is crysis anyway
[10:21] <theadmin> (just kidding)
[10:22] <theadmin> Can raspberry pi, theoretically, run any distro with ARM support?
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes in theroy probably harder in practice
[10:22] <theadmin> Bootloader is confusing me... What do I want anyway? grub? syslinux?
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> grub
[10:23] <Kostic> grub
[10:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> grub2
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> easiest to maintain
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[10:23] <Kostic> hehe
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> err... no
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> not grub2
[10:23] <Kostic> *grub2
[10:23] <Kostic> why?
[10:23] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Yeah, but the question is whether grub will work on pi
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> don't need it
[10:23] <theadmin> grub2 is confusing
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> grub is easier to maintain
[10:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> YMMV - i found grub2 easier ....
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[10:24] <talkBot> Hello thar, adams.freenode.net!
[10:24] <mrDragons> loooooooooool
[10:24] <theadmin> wut
[10:25] <mrDragons> hey talkbot, sorry for interrupting
[10:25] <talkBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[10:26] <tntexplosivesltd> grub2 seems to have a lot more stuff
[10:26] <theadmin> Useless stuff
[10:26] <theadmin> Apart from maybe booting ISOs
[10:26] <tntexplosivesltd> probably stuff you don't need yeah
[10:27] <mrDragons> I prefer grub
[10:27] <theadmin> Same
[10:27] <theadmin> grub is easy
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[10:27] <mrDragons> Yeah, of all things a bootloader shouldn't be complicated..
[10:28] <cousteau`uni> who adviced me to not look at screenshots of mIRC script?
[10:28] <theadmin> lol
[10:28] <tntexplosivesltd> me among others
[10:28] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean there was someone trying to get chameleon working on linux -/
[10:28] <tntexplosivesltd> * =/
[10:28] <tntexplosivesltd> I told them it was completely pointless
[10:28] <cousteau`uni> well, whoever he was, thanks... would have saved me from a horrorific experience
[10:28] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Chameleon? Is that the OSX bootloader thingy?
[10:29] <mrDragons> hah
[10:29] <tntexplosivesltd> yea
[10:29] <cousteau`uni> (it looks like an obfuscated version of perl)
[10:29] <tntexplosivesltd> the othe that has all the bloody themes and shit
[10:29] <tntexplosivesltd> that you see for like 2 seconds
[10:29] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: burg?
[10:29] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
[10:29] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Okay, um, you still talking about bootloaders? lol
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?yea
[10:30] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: burg is the only one I know that's themeable
[10:30] <theadmin> Well, that is, without much of a mess lol
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> and it shouldn't need to start all the nice gui stuff for you to even boot
[10:30] <theadmin> Yeah, I myself even do "hiddenmenu" in menu.lst because most of the time I need to boot the default anyway
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:31] <tntexplosivesltd> but I mean grub2 would work well too
[10:31] <theadmin> Meh anything works as long as it boots
[10:31] <theadmin> Configs... You just write em and forget em
[10:32] <tntexplosivesltd> and as long as it's fast
[10:32] <theadmin> That too
[10:32] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: I told you bro.
[10:32] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: it gets better: mircscript is for many people their first exposure to programming.
[10:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:32] <mrDragons> ew
[10:32] <tntexplosivesltd> msl is just the worst
[10:33] <cousteau`uni> feep[nb]: wow, _before_ javascript?
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> never learn JS as a programming lang
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> esp. as a *first*
[10:33] <cousteau`uni> I did, when I started doing web stuff
[10:33] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: well, exposure as in code
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> web based is lose for programming fundamentals
[10:33] <feep[nb]> also js is awesome
[10:33] <cousteau`uni> ("web stuff" = "geocities")
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[10:34] <feep[nb]> yeap
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> js is annoying
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate client-side scripting
[10:34] <cousteau`uni> but my very first was qbasic
[10:34] <feep[nb]> js is a beautiful language.
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[10:34] <theadmin> My first was Python... Hate it now though :/
[10:34] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: haha me too <3
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> lol python
[10:34] <theadmin> Impossible to code in without vim :/
[10:34] <Kostic> theadmin: Why?
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I like static typing
[10:34] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Same.
[10:35] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: terrible language, great graphics api :D
[10:35] <mrDragons> I'm growing away from it, I still really like it though
[10:35] <feep[nb]> qbasic started my love for fractals
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> python - esp. reading someone else's code - is damn annoying
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> trying to work out what types they are expecting
[10:35] <talkBot> Hello thar, tntexplosivesltd!
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[10:35] <mrDragons> ?
[10:35] <armswerbot> undefined
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> wut
[10:35] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Although I do hate when I use an int instead of a long and get some totally weird negative number instead of what I expect
[10:35] <cousteau`uni> ("qbasic" = "cls, input, print, if, else, endif, goto and play", and that was all I knew)
[10:35] <Kostic> Actually, use of blanks makes easier to read other Python code for me...
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:35] <feep[nb]> cousteau`uni: you forgot screen 13 :D
[10:35] <tntexplosivesltd> and I do a lot of uC stuff, so C is win for that
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: how did that happen?
[10:36] <feep[nb]> and pset and line (,)-(,)
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> hang on testing
[10:36] <cousteau`uni> tntexplosivesltd: dunno, I feel Python to be pretty easy to read
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> trying to work out what types they are expecting
[10:36] <talkBot> Hello thar, tntexplosivesltd!
[10:36] <feep[nb]> and paint and pattern codes
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> cousteau`uni: reading it is fine
[10:36] <mrDragons> tntexplosivesltd: I don't know, lol
[10:36] <cousteau`uni> feep[nb]: did very little drawing stuff on qbasic, actually... but screen 13 sounds familiar
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> cousteau`uni: I mean the types the methods are expecting are annoying
[10:37] <feep[nb]> screen 12 for high-res, screen 13 for 256 colors
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> well, "types"
[10:37] <feep[nb]> (high-res == 640x480)
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> working that out is damn annoying
[10:37] <mrDragons> True, I hate how all the types are hidden, but still there
[10:37] <cousteau`uni> feep[nb]: wow, that's the resolution I have... on an FPGA
[10:37] <feep[nb]> <3
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> and I am missing perl's text processing after having to "program" (script) in python at work
[10:38] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Yeah, Perl's regex support is excellent
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> so... native
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> and natural
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> and I like the syntactical sugar <3
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> statement if (condition);
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmmm
[10:39] <theadmin> lol that
[10:39] <cousteau`uni> well, if condition: statement
[10:39] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Python does that too actually
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> well, badly XD
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> not as much
[10:39] <Kostic> And how's that?
[10:39] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: print "blah" if x == 1 # Why badly?
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> "herpaderp whitespace"
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: perl can do it in other places
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[10:40] <cousteau`uni> theadmin: that's not correct python
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> and inline executing in regex
[10:40] <feep[nb]> "Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> so brilliant
[10:40] <theadmin> cousteau`uni: Huh. Thought it was. Guess I'm confusing it with something... must be Ruby?...
[10:40] <cousteau`uni> python's if operator requires an else
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> no it doesn't
[10:40] <feep[nb]> that'd be stupid.
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: maybe php?
[10:40] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: bigrat in Perl is just awesome too
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[10:41] <mrDragons> talkbot: remember perl programming="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:41] <cousteau`uni> print "odd" if x%2==1 else "even"
[10:41] <mrDragons> talkBot: remember perl programming="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:41] <cousteau`uni> and not print "odd" if x%2==1 else print "even"
[10:41] <mrDragons> hello talkbot
[10:41] <talkBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[10:41] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember perl programming="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:41] <cousteau`uni> talkbot, perl programming
[10:42] <feep[nb]> !set perl programming = Perl programmers do it in other places.
[10:42] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[10:42] <feep[nb]> ?perl programming
[10:42] <armswerbot> perl programming = Perl programmers do it in other places.
[10:42] <mrDragons> What the fack.
[10:42] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember perl programming="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
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[10:42] <feep[nb]> Neat wins again! Haha!
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: yours is broken
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[10:42] <cousteau`uni> mrDragons: what the factoid
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: it's not the language =P
[10:42] <mrDragons> No, it was working perfectly earlier. ._.
[10:42] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: it totally is!
[10:43] <feep[nb]> neat is just that awesome.
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> nah, I bet its memory management is horrible
[10:43] <feep[nb]> its memory management is .. reasonably good, actually
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> resonably >>>
[10:43] <feep[nb]> arrays mostly take care of their own memory
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> * >.>
[10:43] <mrDragons> talkbot: remember hello there=remember this dammit
[10:43] <talkBot> Hello thar, mrdragons!
[10:43] <theadmin> Hm... Memory management on Pi will be important for me
[10:43] <mrDragons> Fuck you pibot.
[10:44] <tntexplosivesltd> fail.org/mrDragons .php
[10:44] <feep[nb]> you can leak easily enough, but if you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy to keep consumption low.
[10:44] <tntexplosivesltd> * fail.org/mrDragons.php
[10:44] <feep[nb]> and if you don't know what you're doing, import std.boehm; initBoehm;
[10:44] <feep[nb]> :p
[10:44] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:44] <tntexplosivesltd> so it does everything for you?
[10:45] <feep[nb]> !set boehm The Boehm GC is a conservative, Mark&Sweep Garbage Collector for C-like languages.
[10:45] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[10:45] <feep[nb]> well, boehm does
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> uhm... no
[10:45] <feep[nb]> the language has some features that help.
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> nope.no.noway.never
[10:45] <feep[nb]> like for instance, if you declare int[]
[10:45] <feep[nb]> it's (length, pointer)
[10:45] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
[10:45] <theadmin> "int[]" looks like C#
[10:45] <feep[nb]> but if you declare int[auto~], it's (length, pointer, capacity)
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> fuck garbage collection for C-like languages
[10:45] <feep[nb]> and automatically frees if it has to append
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> including C
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[10:46] <feep[nb]> er, resize
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> friggle: oh yeah i see
[10:46] <Kostic> mrDragons: try please_die talkbot :P
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[10:46] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: hey, it's great if you got a leak and just don't want to figure out what causes it
[10:46] <mrDragons> fuck you talkbot.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> friggle: but then you are a bad programmer ;)
[10:46] <feep[nb]> >_>
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:46] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: You fail at tab completion.
[10:46] <mrDragons> Worked perfectly until I tried changing the name
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> I do really
[10:46] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: nah, you just have other problems :D
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> erm... no
[10:47] <mrDragons> fuck you talkBot.
[10:47] <mrDragons> Sigh.
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[10:47] <feep[nb]> in unrelated news, after 10 hours of running, neatbot's memory consumption is at 2.8MB.
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> if you are programming in C and you need a garbage collector, you need to choose a better language
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[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> talking about C soecifically
[10:47] <feep[nb]> oh
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: you hard-coded the bot's name into the if statements
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[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> define a "constant"
[10:48] <feep[nb]> well, Boehm has a C API but you can use it from any language that understands that
[10:48] <feep[nb]> (like neat)
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I would never
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> garbage collection
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[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> where you can manually free
[10:48] <feep[nb]> ;_;
[10:49] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: well, boehm doesn't prevent you from manually freeing :D
[10:49] <theadmin> Meh, it's likely that a garbage collector that's not built-in to the language will mess up :/
[10:49] <tntexplosivesltd> introduces slowdowns, encourages lazy coding, etc
[10:49] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: yeah because malloc is otherwise so fast
[10:49] <feep[nb]> and .. good?
[10:49] <tntexplosivesltd> yes
[10:49] <feep[nb]> the three virtues of the programmers: _laziness_, impatience, hubris
[10:50] <tntexplosivesltd> friggle: lazy in that they make programs to do stuff for them
[10:50] <feep[nb]> god damnit fix your tab completion
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[10:50] <tntexplosivesltd> oh ffs
[10:50] <tntexplosivesltd> (??????????????????? ?????????
[10:50] <feep[nb]> and, um, that's literally the point of high languages?
[10:50] <mrDragons> What's hubris? I'm too lazy to look it up.
[10:50] <tntexplosivesltd> a bad programmer relies on garbage collection in a language without it natively =)
[10:50] <feep[nb]> mrDragons: overestimation of your skill
[10:51] <mrDragons> :P
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: typing on a netbook kb
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> it's murder
[10:51] <feep[nb]> same :D
[10:51] <mrDragons> hello talkbot
[10:51] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> used to my fullsize at work
[10:51] <mrDragons> Yay it didn't explode
[10:51] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: hey, I don't see it as "relying on GC", I see it as defense in depth
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> <3 das ultimate S silent
[10:51] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Really? Try typing on an iDevice >.< Any of them. Horriblest experience ever. Thank goodness I have an Android
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> lol same
[10:52] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember perl programming="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:52] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[10:52] <mrDragons> Hah.
[10:52] <feep[nb]> :D
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: but introducing a whole library (dependency) that does it for you?
[10:52] <mrDragons> So let's talk about some programming in perl
[10:52] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> programming in perl
[10:52] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> programming
[10:52] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:52] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: oh no, a library. because doing it yourself is the smart choice
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> too lenient
[10:52] <feep[nb]> the world needs more wheel designs.
[10:52] <mrDragons> talkbot forget perl programming
[10:52] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:53] <mrDragons> talkbot, forget perl programming
[10:53] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:53] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: no, ude free like you're meant to in C
[10:53] <mrDragons> go away talkbot
[10:53] <talkBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[10:53] <tntexplosivesltd> * use
[10:53] <Dyason> come back talkbot
[10:53] <talkBot> I'ma back
[10:53] <Dyason> how annoying!
[10:53] <mrDragons> fuck you talkbot
[10:53] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: who cares what you're "meant to" use? the C standard is not strongly attached to the C memory management functions.
[10:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> dot the standard
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> * not
[10:54] <feep[nb]> no I mean the language isn't particularly built around malloc/free
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean just being proud of what you are producing
[10:54] <feep[nb]> one might go so far as to say it doesn't cooooohhhh
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[10:54] <feep[nb]> it's a "real programmers don't use gc" thign.
[10:54] <feep[nb]> *ng
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[10:54] <mrDragons> I skipped over a couple instances of the name...
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: variable/constant
[10:55] <mrDragons> constant
[10:55] <feep[nb]> mrDragons: my bot can reload plugins at runtime :D
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: I wouldn't want to make my program larger to include garbage collection because I might miss a pointer
[10:55] * feep[nb] is being insufferably smug. feep[nb] is sorry~
[10:55] <mrDragons> t(T_Tt)
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean how big is that lob?
[10:55] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: okay, that's your choice~
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * lob?
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * lib?
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:55] <mrDragons> lol
[10:55] <theadmin> lol
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I give up
[10:56] <feep[nb]> 150K..
[10:56] <tntexplosivesltd> so I make a program that's a few hundred lines, onowait it needs to be much mich longer
[10:56] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember perl programming is good="Perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:56] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[10:56] <tntexplosivesltd> * much much
[10:56] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: yeah, five letters longer
[10:56] <feep[nb]> -lGC
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[10:57] <mrDragons> Hey, five letters is massive in today's systems
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> no, the whole compiled file
[10:57] <mrDragons> programming?
[10:57] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[10:57] <theadmin> feep[nb]: Including anything will add the length of the header to the program whilst compiling, you know
[10:57] <feep[nb]> oh.. who cares about that?
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> and then the overhead
[10:57] <mrDragons> talkbot forget perl programming is good
[10:57] * talkBot forgets that.
[10:57] <feep[nb]> theadmin: yeah but that's invisible to you
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> friggle: you must be kidding me
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> OH FFS
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> COME ON
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> FUCK THIS TAB COMPLETION
[10:58] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: beats the overhead of "oops I forgot a single free and now our server machine has crashed"
[10:58] <feep[nb]> defense in depth~
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> but then you learn nothing ._.
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> your program *shouldn't* do that
[10:58] <theadmin> Who the hell runs untested code on a server ._.
[10:58] <feep[nb]> yeah but sadly computers aren't DWIM machines.
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> if it does, you fucked up
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> you
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> the dev
[10:58] <feep[nb]> yes
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing to do with the machine
[10:59] <feep[nb]> ways to avoid this fuck-up
[10:59] <feep[nb]> 1. be perfect all the time
[10:59] <feep[nb]> 2. use a gc
[10:59] <feep[nb]> ..
[10:59] <feep[nb]> 3. valgrind
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> but it's C.........
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> valgrind is there for a reason
[10:59] <theadmin> what's valgrind?
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> C does not garbage collection
[10:59] <theadmin> *googles*
[10:59] <feep[nb]> yeah, and the reason is that C has a low-level fetish
[10:59] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: you just hate that it makes it feel less metal :p
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[11:00] <Dagger3> of course, if C turned into a high-level language, we'd need to invent another low-level language for those times when we needed one
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate that people are relying on iverhead to make their programs work
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> * overhead
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[11:00] <feep[nb]> you hate that people save time automating things they don't want to bother doing manually?
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean there's no pride in sloppiness
[11:00] <Dagger3> since we already have a ton of high-level languages, it makes more sense to just use one of those than to make C into yet another one
[11:00] <feep[nb]> aka. programming?
[11:00] <talkBot> "perl programmers do it in other places. "
[11:01] <tntexplosivesltd> feep[nb]: sloppiness
[11:01] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not speeding anything up
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[11:01] <tntexplosivesltd> talkBot: go away
[11:01] <talkBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[11:01] <feep[nb]> XD
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[11:01] <feep[nb]> all the hate~
[11:01] <mrDragons> ._.
[11:02] <tntexplosivesltd> it's too trigger happy >.>
[11:02] <mrDragons> I'm trying to fix it
[11:02] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: in any case, it's still good that boehm is in C because that means you can use it in every language that can bind the C ABI
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[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> bind the C api...
[11:03] <feep[nb]> like neat :p
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> (??????????????????? ?????????
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> that makes no sens
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> e
[11:03] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: C _ABI_.
[11:03] <feep[nb]> ie. cdecl
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[11:03] <tntexplosivesltd> my mistake
[11:03] <feep[nb]> no prob
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[11:04] <feep[nb]> so initBoehm is basically the "I don't care, I'm too cool for valgrind, make my memory leak go away" buton
[11:04] <feep[nb]> *t
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> so the "i'm sloppy, but it's near enough, I'll clean it up for a good release"
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[11:05] <feep[nb]> yup
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean I wouldn't use it in a release
[11:05] <feep[nb]> and you don't need to change anything else :D
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> testing code maybe
[11:05] <feep[nb]> the memory allocator is fully hotswappable
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> but still, C isn't made to have garbage collection
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> I just can't get past that
[11:06] <cousteau`uni> C doesn't have garbage collection
[11:06] <feep[nb]> 'sokay
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> C is meant to punish sloppiness
[11:06] <feep[nb]> then don't use it
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> cousteau`uni: read backlog
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> also lol
[11:07] <cousteau`uni> yes, I usually just read the few last lines and then say whatever I think it's ok according to that reduced context
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
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[11:07] <cousteau`uni> ...or read the most important parts of the backlog
[11:08] <cousteau`uni> which are ???_??? and (??????????????????? ?????????
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> unicode ftw
[11:08] <cousteau`uni> ...why does that (??????????????????? ????????? have the 2 kinds of arms?
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> he doesn't
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> both ???
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> the ??? is the table's path as it is flipped
[11:09] <mrDragons> Yo talkbot, come back over here
[11:09] <talkBot> I'ma back
[11:09] <mrDragons> talkbot: forget perl programming
[11:09] * cousteau`uni had seen them with ??? and ???
[11:09] * talkBot forgets that.
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[11:09] <mrDragons> programming?
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: he responds too easily
[11:09] <cousteau`uni> --wait, what sorcery is this?
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> cousteau`uni: they are the same there XD
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: programming
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[11:10] <cousteau`uni> damn weird unicode stuff
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> programming
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> programming perl
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting
[11:10] <mrDragons> talkbot: forget perl programming
[11:10] <talkBot> I don't know that.
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> looool
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> he forgets everything
[11:10] <feep[nb]> brb, adding feature
[11:11] <mrDragons> I erased it; does your client go back further than 2 lines?
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: hmm/
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[11:11] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> okay?
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> crysis?
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> what does this one know
[11:12] <mrDragons> Hmm... Not much atm
[11:12] <mrDragons> talkbot: add trusted nick "tntexplosivesltd"
[11:12] <talkBot> User added successfully.
[11:12] <mrDragons> Teach him stuff. :P
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: I meant Anppa
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> I...
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> i give up...
[11:13] <feep[nb]> ;unload qa
[11:13] <armswerbot> 0 definitions removed.
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> I meant armswerbot
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> you tricked me
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[11:13] <feep[nb]> .. >_<
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> I thoughti it was answerbot
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> i hate you
[11:13] <feep[nb]> okay that's a bug
[11:13] <feep[nb]> tntexplosivesltd: armswerbot is answerbot running on qemu arm
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> you made me tab complete fail
[11:13] <mrDragons> It's not me...
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> also nice
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> mrDragons: I know
[11:14] <feep> as a testcase for my compiler's arm backend
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[11:14] <feep> ;load qa
[11:14] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:14] <feep> ?per
[11:14] <armswerbot> per = Perl programmers do it in other places.
[11:14] <mrDragons> Hi armserbot
[11:14] <feep> hm
[11:14] <mrDragons> per
[11:14] <mrDragons> ?per
[11:14] <armswerbot> per = Perl programmers do it in other places.
[11:14] <feep> hold on, hold on
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[11:15] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> fail
[11:15] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember perl programmers=Perl programmers do it in other places.
[11:15] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> that;s the GC's fault
[11:15] <Davespice> Ladies and Gentlemen, can anyone repost the link to the video of the 3D printed case for me please?
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[11:15] <feep> wait this makes no sense. I do kill/waitpid on close
[11:15] <mrDragons> programming...
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrLEiujfQh8
[11:16] <mrDragons> programmers?
[11:16] <talkBot> perl programmers do it in other places.
[11:16] <mrDragons> Ah.
[11:16] <mrDragons> talkbot, forget perl programmers.
[11:16] <talkBot> I don't know that.
[11:16] <mrDragons> talkbot, forget perl programmers
[11:16] * talkBot forgets that.
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> Davespice: you're welcome =)
[11:16] <Davespice> thank you <tntexplosivesltd>
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> I ninja'd that so hard
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> 1000 internets to me
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time, night all
[11:17] <mrDragons> Night
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[11:17] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 17??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 72??F - 57??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> aww yeah, still warm
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> !w set forecast
[11:17] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 17??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 72??F - 57??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:17] <PiBot> Sat: High 22??C Low 16??C :Condition Clear
[11:17] <PiBot> Sun: High 20??C Low 12??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[11:17] <PiBot> Mon: High 17??C Low 12??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> awesome
[11:17] <mrDragons> I hate you
[11:17] <mrDragons> :)
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> <3 summer
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> esp. around christmas
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> so mean
[11:18] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:18] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> laters
[11:18] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:18] <armswerbot> 0 definitions removed.
[11:18] <mrDragons> night man
[11:18] <feep> ah
[11:18] <feep> ;load qa
[11:18] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:18] <feep> tntexplosivesltd: later~
[11:18] <feep> ?per
[11:18] <armswerbot> perl programming = Perl programmers do it in other places.
[11:18] <mrDragons> But can it run crysis?
[11:18] <talkBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[11:19] <feep> talkbots are silly~
[11:19] <mrDragons> :P
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[11:21] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:21] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[11:21] <feep> ;load qa
[11:21] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:21] <feep> (can't update the executable if it's running)
[11:21] <Davespice> wow, we've got a lot of bots in here now :)
[11:21] <feep> ?
[11:21] <feep> alright
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[11:21] <mrDragons> I'm only half robot
[11:21] <feep> Davespice: just two, as far as I can tell
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[11:22] <mrDragons> 3
[11:22] <feep> :D
[11:22] <feep> unrelatedly, how neat is it that I can do
[11:22] <feep> if (auto text = lookup(rest, &string id))
[11:22] <Davespice> programming it yourself?
[11:22] <mrDragons> Hi talkbot
[11:22] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[11:22] <feep> Davespice: I was like "we need an answerbot to rapidly impart informations to newbs once the release hits"
[11:22] <feep> then I was like "I should write one!" and mrdragons was like "I should write one!"
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[11:22] <feep> then we had a race :3
[11:22] <Davespice> great idea!
[11:22] <mrDragons> Try asking some stuff about the raspi
[11:23] <Davespice> okay
[11:23] <feep> talkBot: the raspi
[11:23] <feep> :(
[11:23] <Davespice> do I have to address it to talkbot?
[11:23] <mrDragons> Nope
[11:23] <feep> ?raspi
[11:23] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:23] <feep> :(
[11:23] <Davespice> or start a private query to the bot?
[11:23] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:23] <mrDragons> Just ask a question in chat lol
[11:23] <Davespice> what is a raspberry pi?
[11:23] <feep> oh wow, oaky, that is broken
[11:23] <feep> it doesn't handle privmsg correctly
[11:24] <Davespice> where can I buy a raspberry pi?
[11:24] <talkBot> From the raspberry pi store, of course, after it's released, at http://www.raspberrypi.com.
[11:24] <Davespice> good one :)
[11:24] <Davespice> how much does a raspberry pi cost?
[11:24] <talkBot> Model A will be $25, a model B will be $35. This is of course not including any peripherals.
[11:25] <Davespice> what OS can a Raspberry Pi use?
[11:25] <feep> mrDragons: hey is it okay if I steal your answers?
[11:25] <Davespice> this is fun :)
[11:25] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember what is a raspberry pi=A raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[11:25] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[11:25] <mrDragons> feep: sure, np
[11:25] <Davespice> sho which bot belongs to who?
[11:25] <feep> !set cost Model A will be $25, model B $35. Peripherals not included.
[11:25] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:26] <feep> !set preorders No.
[11:26] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:26] <Davespice> talkbot is Mr Dragon's and armswerbot is feep's?
[11:27] <Davespice> maybe they should be called FAQ bot ;)
[11:27] <feep> !set raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
[11:27] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:27] <feep> hm, need aliases
[11:27] <Davespice> I admire what you're doing that, that will most certainly get used a lot
[11:27] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember what OS can a raspberry pi use=At the moment, they can use a variety of Linux distrobutions ported to ARM, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. It will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
[11:27] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[11:28] <Davespice> especially when the kids come in here
[11:28] <mrDragons> what OS can I use on a raspberry pi?
[11:28] <talkBot> at the moment, they can use a variety of linux distrobutions ported to arm, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. it will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
[11:28] <Davespice> does the Raspberry Pi ship to my country?
[11:29] <Davespice> or maybe...
[11:29] <Dyason> Although windows 8 is looking like it might have an arm version!
[11:29] <feep> !set os The Raspberry Pi can run any Linux distribution that's been ported to ARM, including Debian, ArchLinux ARM, Fedora and Gentoo. It will not run any x86 software.
[11:29] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[11:29] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:29] <Davespice> does the Raspberry Pi ship to NZ?
[11:30] <Davespice> maybe trigger that one on 'ship' or 'deliver' ?
[11:30] <mrDragons> talkbox, add trusted nick "Davespice"
[11:30] <mrDragons> talkbot, add trusted nick "Davespice"
[11:30] <talkBot> User added successfully.
[11:30] <Davespice> what does that mean Mr Dragons? I can give it content?
[11:30] <mrDragons> Yep
[11:30] <Davespice> oh cool
[11:31] <Davespice> tell you what then, pm me the commands could you?
[11:31] <Davespice> so I've got a record of them
[11:31] <mrDragons> I'm still figuring out irssi, how does I PM?
[11:31] <Davespice> I'll start one with you, stand by
[11:31] <mrDragons> There's not many, I can just share them here
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[11:32] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:32] <armswerbot> 0 definitions removed.
[11:32] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:32] <armswerbot> 0 definitions removed.
[11:32] <feep> great, it won't quit again >_<
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[11:33] <feep> ;load qa
[11:33] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:33] <feep> !alias razpi raspberry pi
[11:33] <armswerbot> Alias stored.
[11:33] <feep> !alias razzlepie raspberry pi
[11:33] <armswerbot> Alias stored.
[11:33] <feep> ?razp
[11:33] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> rpi?
[11:33] <feep> moment, let me fix this first
[11:34] <feep> oops
[11:34] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:34] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
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[11:36] <feep> ;load qa
[11:36] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:36] <feep> ?razp
[11:36] <armswerbot> raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
[11:36] <feep> ?raz
[11:36] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:36] <feep> kay
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> so if you made a bunch of Razpis into a coat
[11:37] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> would that be a coat of ARMs
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> Trigger-happy talkBot
[11:38] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:38] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[11:38] <feep> ;load qa
[11:38] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:38] <feep> ?raz
[11:38] <armswerbot> raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
[11:38] <feep> okay this code is starting to become an ugly thicket of special cases
[11:39] <feep> meh
[11:39] <feep> !alias rpi raspberry pi
[11:39] <armswerbot> Alias stored.
[11:40] <feep> !alias gurble blargh
[11:40] <armswerbot> Error: Alias: target not found
[11:40] <feep> alright
[11:40] <feep> ?rpi
[11:40] <armswerbot> boehm = The Boehm GC is a conservative, Mark&Sweep Garbage Collector for C-like languages.
[11:40] <feep> whaaaat.
[11:40] <feep> oops.
[11:40] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:40] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[11:41] <feep> ;load qa
[11:41] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:41] <feep> !alias rpi raspberry pi
[11:41] <armswerbot> Alias changed.
[11:41] <feep> ?rpi
[11:41] <armswerbot> raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
[11:41] <feep> all right :D
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> whee
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[11:44] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[11:45] <feep> yes, talkbot.
[11:46] <feep> we know.
[11:46] <feep> mrDragons: he's so excitable :D
[11:46] * MartijnVdS will celebrate release day with real raspberry pie.
[11:46] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[11:46] <mrDragons> :P
[11:46] <mrDragons> go away talkbot
[11:46] <talkBot> Fine, tell me when you want me back...
[11:47] <feep> I just want to note here that this is why ?keyword is superior
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> does it know a good pie recipe? :)
[11:47] <mrDragons> I just need to tighten up my algorithm a bit
[11:47] * Davespice grins
[11:47] <Davespice> yes, make it know the recipe for an actual raspberry "pie"
[11:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> you'll need raspberrys - not that cheep to come by in winter [assuming your in the uk etc..]
[11:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[11:49] <mrDragons> Hey, come back talkbot
[11:49] <talkBot> I'ma back
[11:49] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[11:49] <MartijnVdS> It's not quite Jar-Jar.. "Meesa back"
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[11:50] <mrDragons> Raspberrys and crap
[11:50] <feep> that is a horrible recipe.
[11:50] <mrDragons> Anybody know where I can buy a raspberry?
[11:50] <mrDragons> Where can I buy a raspberry pi?
[11:50] <feep> ?buy
[11:50] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:50] <feep> huhg
[11:50] <feep> huh*
[11:50] <mrDragons> Can it run crysis?
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> mrDragons: probably. Can it run it well? Not likely.
[11:51] <feep> !set crysis No.
[11:51] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:51] * feep edit edit
[11:51] <feep> ?crysis
[11:51] <armswerbot> crysis = No.
[11:51] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
[11:51] * talkBot (~talkBot@c-98-204-134-137.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[11:51] <feep> ;reload qa
[11:51] <armswerbot> qa reloaded.
[11:51] <feep> ?crysis
[11:51] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:51] <feep> brb
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[11:52] <mrDragons> Where can I buy a raspberry?
[11:52] <mrDragons> can it run crysis on max?
[11:52] <talkBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[11:52] <mrDragons> can it run crysis on?
[11:52] <feep> ;unload qa
[11:52] <armswerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[11:52] <feep> ;load qa
[11:52] <armswerbot> Defined []
[11:52] <feep> ?cry
[11:52] <armswerbot> can it run crysis = No.
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[11:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> ?buy
[11:53] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> ?die
[11:53] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[11:54] <armswerbot> undefined
[11:54] <feep> !set where can I buy a Raspberry Pi = at the store http://www.raspberrypi.com/ once they're released.
[11:54] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> can you make it so you can pm the bot
[11:54] <feep> RaTTuS|BIG: sure, but it's not a priority
[11:54] <feep> the backend needs work
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> !set pie = http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[11:54] <armswerbot> Definition stored.
[11:55] <feep> <mrDragons> Hey, come back talkbot <talkBot> I'ma back <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[11:55] <feep> that was bruta
[11:55] <feep> oh come on
[11:56] <feep> anyway mrDragons: that was brutal. it was like "hey ... c'mere. there's a good boy. goood talkbo :CHOP:"
[11:57] <feep> <talkBot> I'ma back :D :) :( D: x_x
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[11:58] <mrDragons> lol
[11:58] <mrDragons> hey talkbot
[11:58] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[11:58] <mrDragons> where can I buy a raspberry?
[11:58] <mrDragons> where can I buy a raspberry pi?
[11:58] <talkBot> From the raspberry pi store, of course, after it's released, at http://www.raspberrypi.com.
[11:58] <feep> ?buy
[11:58] <armswerbot> where can I buy a Raspberry Pi = at the store http://www.raspberrypi.com/ once they're released.
[11:58] <talkBot> From the raspberry pi store, of course, after it's released, at http://www.raspberrypi.com.
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[11:59] <feep> mrDragons: please make it ignore answerbot
[11:59] <mrDragons> where buy a raspberry i can?
[11:59] <feep> I'll change the nick
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[11:59] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 2
[11:59] <mrDragons> Hello talkbot
[11:59] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[11:59] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 2
[12:00] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[12:00] <mrDragons> Hey talkbot
[12:00] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[12:00] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 4
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[12:02] <mrDragons> What os can a raspberry pi run?
[12:02] <talkBot> at the moment, they can use a variety of linux distrobutions ported to arm, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. it will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
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[12:02] <mrDragons> Can I buy one yet?
[12:02] <talkBot> Not yet, but hold on because it's not going to be much longer. ;)
[12:03] <mrDragons> where can I buy one?
[12:03] <feep> !set release as far as we can tell, late january or early february.
[12:03] <mrDragons> where can I buy a raspberry pi?
[12:03] <talkBot> From the raspberry pi store, of course, after it's released, at http://www.raspberrypi.com.
[12:03] <feep> ;load qa
[12:03] <answerbot> Defined []
[12:03] <mrDragons> when can I buy a raspberry pi?
[12:03] <talkBot> Likely later in January or early Febuary. Keep an eye on the store, http://www.raspberrypi.com, and subscribe to the mailing list.
[12:03] <feep> !set release as far as we can tell, late january or early february.
[12:03] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[12:03] <mrDragons> what is a raspberry pi?
[12:03] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[12:04] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 4
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[12:05] <mrDragons> talkbot set sensitivity 5
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[12:05] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[12:05] <Davespice> Are there any IEEE subscribers or members here? (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/)
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[12:06] <Davespice> I need to get access to an article on there
[12:06] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 4
[12:06] <mrDragons> talkbot: set sensitivity 3
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[12:14] <mrDragons> Oops, thought I was joining/leaving another room
[12:14] <mrDragons> Mb
[12:14] <mrDragons> talkbot set 4
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[12:34] <talkBot2as> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
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[12:35] <mrDragons> Hey talkbo
[12:35] <mrDragons> Hey talkbot
[12:35] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
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[12:39] <Davespice> Mr Dragons... I just thought of a good question for the bot... I don't know the text book answer though
[12:39] <Davespice> Will the Raspberry Pi be sold as a kit?
[12:39] <Davespice> obviously the answer is no, and because precision robots are required to build it
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[12:51] <MartijnVdS> Davespice: But once you have a RasPi, you can use it to make one of those robots
[12:51] <talkBot> at the moment, they can use a variety of linux distrobutions ported to arm, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. it will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
[12:52] <izua> there was a 'use linux instead' reply
[12:52] <izua> what happend with that? :(
[12:54] <MichaelMalus> How's DOSBox and things like it on ARM?
[12:55] <MichaelMalus> Also, "fun" as it can be to get drivers on linux anyway, is it any worse on ARM?
[12:56] <MichaelMalus> I know it's not an issue for the intended purpose, but there're plenty of unintended purposes it would be fun for.
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[13:02] <ctyler> MichaelMalus: DOSBox is x86-specific, so unlikely to run.
[13:02] <ctyler> MichaelMalus: Open source drivers generally run fine.
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[13:05] <MichaelMalus> Open source drivers aren't the problem - The problem is J. Proprietary Science Classroom tool that the school bought in 1993.
[13:05] <victhor> drivers? linux? you mean windows? :)
[13:06] <victhor> I never had to install drivers for anything on linux. it just works (tm)
[13:06] <MichaelMalus> Ha. Ha. Ha.
[13:07] * MichaelMalus remembers his first Debian install. Something like six not-obviously-related man pages, google searches and config files to get the second Ethernet port up?
[13:08] <victhor> I did a netinstall early this month... everything worked out of the box
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[13:11] <haltdef> pretty sure dosbox runs on my n900
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[13:16] <haltdef> cortex a8 though, might choke on the raspi
[13:19] <haltdef> victhor, that was not my experience with my umpc
[13:19] <haltdef> *nothing* worked out of the box, aside from the keyboard and microsd
[13:19] <haltdef> no touchscreen, no acceleration (intel's fault), no trackpad, no wifi, no bluetooth, no 3g
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[13:55] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[13:59] <feep> oh we have another one?
[14:00] <feep> !tell izua windows8
[14:00] <answerbot> izua: use linux
[14:00] <izua> yay!
[14:00] <izua> much better
[14:00] <izua> !tell windows
[14:00] <answerbot> windows: hello world
[14:00] <izua> lol
[14:00] <feep> huh
[14:00] <feep> ooh
[14:00] <feep> it used the first match for null
[14:01] <izua> so there's windows 8 but no windows?
[14:01] <feep> izua: no you're not seeing what happened
[14:01] <feep> it read it as !tell "windows" ""
[14:01] <izua> ah
[14:01] <feep> and "" matched "hello world"
[14:01] <feep> ?hello
[14:01] <answerbot> test = hello world
[14:01] <izua> so what's the generic command to see an entry
[14:01] <izua> without saying it to someone
[14:01] <feep> ?windows
[14:01] <answerbot> windows = The RPi is an ARM device. Windows traditionally runs on Intel (and AMD) processors that are x86 or x86_64. The very most recent version runs on some ARM chips with four times the memory of the RazPi. Forget it.
[14:01] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[14:01] <izua> i ce
[14:02] <feep> mrDragons: please make it ignore answerbot
[14:02] <izua> wow
[14:02] <izua> two bots already
[14:02] <izua> and not a single board
[14:02] <feep> three
[14:02] <feep> talkBot, answerbot and PiBot
[14:02] <izua> we should have a "hello" war
[14:02] <feep> izua: though, answerbot is running on qemu arm
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[14:02] <feep> so there's that
[14:02] <feep> :D
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[14:16] <zgreg> you can use teh qemu and run windows 2000 or something
[14:16] <zgreg> but it will be "a bit" slow
[14:17] <zgreg> might be a nice experiment, though
[14:17] <IT_Sean> why are people so intent on runing some flavour of winblows on the pi?
[14:17] <feep> masochism.
[14:18] <noname^^> haha
[14:18] <feep> srsly, no idea.
[14:19] <zgreg> I suppose they want to run certain programs they know and like
[14:20] <noname^^> if one was hellbent on adding support I guess you could do something like they did with wine on mac
[14:20] <noname^^> powerpc mac that is
[14:20] <noname^^> an x86 JIT (I think it was)
[14:20] <zgreg> yes, but that'll also be quite slow
[14:20] <noname^^> yeah
[14:20] <noname^^> but faster than windows 2k in qemu xD
[14:20] <noname^^> at least SOME stuff would be native
[14:21] <zgreg> windows 2000 actually runs ok in qemu, without virtualization
[14:21] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[14:21] <zgreg> I've used that on an atom netbook for some simple tasks
[14:21] <noname^^> yeah, but 700 MHz ARM....
[14:21] <zgreg> but of course, that atom is about 4x the speed of the arm11 in rpi
[14:22] <noname^^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXTqg4nnUHY :P
[14:22] <noname^^> "windows 98 GP2X WIZ"
[14:23] <noname^^> ah, maybe this is some vnc thing
[14:23] <zgreg> many people probably don't really understand that arm11 is way slower than atom, since atom is generally seen as a very slow and low-end cpu
[14:24] <noname^^> hehe, yeah
[14:24] <noname^^> do you know if the raspberry pi will support UXGA btw?
[14:26] <zgreg> most probably, yes
[14:26] <zgreg> after all, it can go up to 1080p at least, and probably more
[14:27] <noname^^> yeah, so can the panda board, but it doesn't support my XGA screen (via EDID)
[14:28] <zgreg> huh, that's odd. probably a configuration thing.
[14:28] <noname^^> yes, but since I can't see shit it's a bit hard to configure :P
[14:28] <zgreg> most of these embedded boards don't actually use EDID, but are configured to a fixed resolution, or a small set of resolutions
[14:28] <noname^^> gotta buy a new rs232-dongle
[14:29] <zgreg> wait, you don't have one?
[14:29] <zgreg> that's about the first thing you need on these boards :)
[14:29] <IT_Sean> I thought everyone had several lying around
[14:29] * IT_Sean has one in each of his two laptop bags, one at home, and 5 or 6 in his office
[14:29] <noname^^> I HAD one
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm <-- potential pi cases?
[14:30] <noname^^> it's probably in some box somewhere :P
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[14:30] * IT_Sean has a 4 port one velcro'd to his desk at werk :p
[14:30] <noname^^> haha
[14:31] <IT_Sean> im not sure why that's funny.
[14:31] <IT_Sean> I do.
[14:31] <noname^^> oh I don't doubt it xD
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[14:34] <feep> I don't have any. :/
[14:38] <IT_Sean> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/223/img0144ak.jpg
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[14:41] <noname^^> nice xD
[14:41] <IT_Sean> ANd i keep meaning to do something about the crazy tangle of wires you see there, but, i never really get 'round to it
[14:43] <IT_Sean> So, that's 5 serial ports, if you coount the one in the back of my PC, which i have an external modem hanging off of.
[14:44] <noname^^> max rs232
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[14:46] <IT_Sean> Normally there would be another DB9 RJ45 adapter in the 3rd port. But, i had to disembowel it yesterday, and i haven't put it back together yet.
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[15:32] <IT_Sean> wow.... someone just called to RMA a unit that is so old we had to go back to paper records to look up the S/N.
[15:32] <feep> wow
[15:32] <IT_Sean> needless to say, it's out of warrenty :p
[15:32] <noname^^> Serial number: 7
[15:32] <IT_Sean> something like that.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> jeez... i dunno if we even still have PARTS for it.
[15:33] <jzu> pretty good piece of hardware then
[15:33] <IT_Sean> That's what we try for.
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[15:35] <jzu> the devices I prefer are the ones I forget about..
[15:36] <IT_Sean> what do you mean?
[15:36] <jzu> I don't have to take care of them
[15:37] <jzu> I'm more a software guy
[15:37] <feep> the devices I prefer are the ones I forget about.. then find, five years later, behind the couch
[15:37] <feep> j/k
[15:37] <IT_Sean> oh
[15:38] <IT_Sean> I fancy myself more of a hardware guy. I'd much rather spend time soldering things to circduit boards and fiddling with bits of wire than writing code.
[15:39] <victhor> every time I look at code I'm like "dafuq is this?", but when I see a circuit board I feel "like a boss" :P
[15:40] <feep> I like code better, too.
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[15:41] <ReggieUK> I like both
[15:41] <IT_Sean> i understand hardare. Writing software is... well... it's like the french language. A complete bloody mystery. :p
[15:42] <ReggieUK> I understand neither fully but I do understnad that generally, unless you're really old school, they tend to go handin hand these days
[15:42] <IT_Sean> That is true
[15:42] <ReggieUK> and if I can learn enough french to order food, then it's all good
[15:42] <IT_Sean> And i am capable of writing very simple code. But, i prefer working with hardware.
[15:42] <noname^^> I wish I knew french as well as I know C
[15:42] <Caver> international sign language can get you a long way too
[15:43] <Da|Mummy> middle finger works a treat
[15:43] <IT_Sean> I took two years of french in school. Only know one phrase... Where are the toilets? :p
[15:43] <Caver> heheh you probably earn more money knowing C than french ..
[15:43] <feep> paint me like one of your C girls
[15:43] <jzu> on the other hand, I loathe "pure software" solutions, like a lot of xVM software, which don't take into account harware constraints
[15:43] <IT_Sean> I know more C than i know french. And i know very little C.
[15:43] <ReggieUK> ou est le pissoire?
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Actually, no... I know two phrases. "Where are the toilets?" and "I don't speak french."
[15:44] <noname^^> Caver, hehe, I have no intent on un-learning C :P
[15:45] <noname^^> -on
[15:45] <Caver> ahaha
[15:45] <ReggieUK> I think I can still count to 20
[15:45] <Caver> I was very prowed I managed to remember enough to make a "hello world" program in C a few months back, with out looking anything up
[15:46] <Caver> I seem to remember in french when you got to 80 it all gets rather complicated
[15:46] <jzu> 70, actually
[15:46] <Caver> ah
[15:46] <jzu> soixante-dix
[15:46] <ReggieUK> 17 more like
[15:46] * IT_Sean checks to see how high he can count in french
[15:47] <IT_Sean> dammit... :/
[15:47] <IT_Sean> 9
[15:47] * IT_Sean fails
[15:47] <feep> dix
[15:47] <Caver> confess ... did you use fingers too?
[15:47] <feep> I forgot the rest
[15:47] <feep> and also there's something funky happening with 60
[15:47] <ReggieUK> I didn't use fingers
[15:47] <jzu> the fun part is, I know quite a few foreigners who speak and write French better than locals
[15:48] <feep> it's true. he used french
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Caver: yes.,
[15:48] <jzu> oh, and I'm French :-)
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[15:48] <feep> I had french in school .. completely lost it from disuse.
[15:49] <Caver> jzu: thats ok ... I've met any number of foreigners who have a much better grasp of what a possessive pronoun is, than I do
[15:49] <IT_Sean> feep: i never picked it up to begin with. I had a horrible teacher.
[15:49] <Caver> I get asked ... was such and such you just said a blah .... I've no idea ... I just said it
[15:50] <feep> also I may have mentioned this before .. lxde looks REALLY GOOD
[15:50] <Caver> :)
[15:50] <IT_Sean> my french teacher was awful.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Never spoke a word of english to me.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> I could never do the homework, because her homework instructions were always in french.
[15:51] <feep> that's silly.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> She had this bizarre assumption that if she just spoke french at me, i would somehow magically pick it up
[15:51] <Caver> :(
[15:51] <IT_Sean> she NEVER spoke a SINGLE word of english to me
[15:51] <feep> we had something like this in english class and it's really effective _if_ you get the fundamentals down first
[15:51] <Caver> yeah mine did the same ... I got a F in french to my eternal shame
[15:51] <jzu> it works when it's really immersive
[15:51] <jzu> 24/7
[15:52] <jzu> NOT in a classroom
[15:52] <IT_Sean> I only passed (whcih i needed to do to graduate) because i held her laptop hostage.
[15:52] <feep> ...
[15:52] <feep> normally I would frown on that but she was horrible soo
[15:52] <feep> well done
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[15:53] <IT_Sean> thanks. I picked ipt up off her desk one day, when it was clear she had no intent on letting me graduate, and told her if she ever wanted to see it again, i had better get a C or better.
[15:53] <IT_Sean> and seeing as all of her grading records were on it, she was quite eager to get it back. :p
[15:54] <jzu> guerilla graduation :-)
[15:54] <feep> :)
[15:54] <IT_Sean> I'd have never graduated highschool otherwise... she had no intent of letting me pass.
[15:54] <feep> yeah well done man
[15:54] <feep> teachers that bad deserve no respect.
[15:55] <IT_Sean> she was awful
[15:56] <Caver> hi johnthebear
[15:56] <Caver> next question ... how could the Pi be used to better teach french then :)
[15:56] <IT_Sean> I did give it back, but only after i saw the official grade entry.
[15:56] <IT_Sean> Caver: an even better question... how can the Pi be better used to teach the french to speak english. :p
[15:57] <johnthebear> yo!
[15:58] <Caver> harsh
[15:58] <IT_Sean> I'm thinking a raspi powered robot that just slaps anyone that speaks french.
[15:58] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:58] <johnthebear> friendly channel
[15:58] <IT_Sean> sorry... sorry.
[15:59] <MichaelMalus> IT_Sean: It'd teach important skills.
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[16:00] <MichaelMalus> Ad-hoc international sign language. 'S got me around China, Scandinavia, all over the EU...
[16:00] <nrltd> When raspberrypi start shipping ?
[16:00] <IT_Sean> nrltd: when it's ready.
[16:00] <noname^^> MichaelMalus, I think you'd have better luck with english than ad-hoc international sign language in scandinavia :P
[16:01] <Caver> oh yes .. is there some easy pit fall?
[16:01] <nrltd> Cool, any eta ?
[16:01] <Caver> 2/3 weeks I guess .., but it's purely a guess
[16:01] <IT_Sean> nrltd: end of the month-ish
[16:01] <MichaelMalus> noname^^: True, they all spoke English. So did half of the EU.
[16:01] <noname^^> we do, we do :P
[16:02] <noname^^> although sign language may be more fun xD
[16:02] <Caver> my personal theory is that programming made more people speak at least some form of english, more than anything else ...
[16:02] <IT_Sean> the only sign language i know: .!..
[16:03] <noname^^> Caver, probably more internet, TV and moveis than programming languages xD
[16:03] <noname^^> *movies
[16:04] <MichaelMalus> That, and Britian conquering, ooh, a fourth of the total land area of the globe at one point or another.
[16:04] <noname^^> pff, you brits haven't conquered anything here :P
[16:04] <noname^^> more like the other way around!
[16:04] <Caver> heheh yup ... but it's un PC to mention that these days
[16:04] <noname^^> :xx
[16:05] <MichaelMalus> noname^^: Oh? Where are you?
[16:05] <noname^^> sweden... ok it was mostly the norwegians who were over on the british isles, but still. scandinvia...
[16:05] * IT_Sean drops a tea bag in a puddle in the office carpark and declares his independance :p
[16:06] <MichaelMalus> Ah. Yeah, probably.
[16:06] <Caver> oh no .. next we'll be onto who's oil it is ...
[16:06] <Caver> *hides*
[16:06] <noname^^> haha
[16:06] <IT_Sean> please... lets keep politics out of #raspberrypi
[16:06] <MichaelMalus> We might've got some of the islands off you/back off you at some point.
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[16:07] <noname^^> haha, yeah
[16:07] <Caver> <-- had blond hair ... so clearly you lot left something behind
[16:07] <IT_Sean> Caver: it's all the pillaging and such.
[16:08] <noname^^> some good old fashioned pillaging
[16:08] <IT_Sean> just remember, it's pillage THEN burn.
[16:08] <noname^^> haha
[16:08] * noname^^ takes note ??(._. )
[16:09] * MichaelMalus approves and checks for comic updates.
[16:13] <johnthebear> so, does anyone know if the raspi will be able to handle dwarf fortress?
[16:13] <johnthebear> just thinking out loud here...
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[16:13] <Caver> pardon?
[16:13] * johnthebear points to http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
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[16:14] <Caver> oooh ASCII art
[16:14] <Caver> *squints*
[16:15] <MichaelMalus> Oh dear...
[16:15] <johnthebear> It's not much on the eyes, but the depth of the game is mind boggling
[16:15] <MichaelMalus> Listen, mate, once you've played for a while, a decent supercomputer can't handle DF.
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[16:17] <johnthebear> well, I guess that's an answer ;)
[16:18] <johnthebear> in the limit, no computer can handle it
[16:18] <MichaelMalus> Also, IIRC, isn't it win32 only?
[16:18] <Caver> hehehe ... well I couldn't see any source for it, so I guess you'd have to ask them to recompile it for ARM
[16:18] <johnthebear> you can run it in unix
[16:18] <MichaelMalus> (Ah, no. Silly me.)
[16:19] <johnthebear> oh crap, forgot it's ARM
[16:19] <johnthebear> nm
[16:20] * MichaelMalus checks the forum.
[16:21] <IT_Sean> yah... it'd have to be compiled for ARM
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[16:42] <Caver> *drops a pin*
[16:42] <IT_Sean> *hears it drop*
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[16:48] * IT_Sean *ferrrrt*
[16:49] <_inc> 'afternoon
[16:49] <Caver> *lights match*
[16:49] <Caver> hi _inc
[16:50] <_inc> my laser printer came this morning. I spent 2 hours piecing together a large poster out of 20 sheets of a4
[16:50] <Caver> sounds like fun
[16:50] <_inc> until you get half way through :P
[16:51] <Caver> uhhuh ... is there a "but" comming on here?
[16:51] <_inc> i had no idea laser printers took so long to warm up
[16:51] * Caver pats his HP Designjet 130 A1 printer
[16:52] * IT_Sean pats the 6 foot wide 4 colour plotter down the hallway from his office
[16:52] <feep> Harry Potter and the Printer of Design
[16:53] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:53] <Caver> is it a big inkjet type or a true old school 4 pen job?
[16:53] <Caver> compelete with lots of scrolling
[16:54] <IT_Sean> 4 pen
[16:54] <Caver> in which case surely a great canderdate to be turned into the mother of all repraps :)
[16:55] <IT_Sean> As apocalyptically awesome as that would be, we do actually use the thing. so... no.
[16:55] <_inc> smartphone users, has anyone had any experience with the app 'Waze'? most the critisism i've seen is either immature or biased
[16:56] <traeak> !w
[16:56] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Jan 20 09:53:00 2012. Temp 40??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 55%, Later 52??F - 29??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:56] <IT_Sean> 's supposted to snow here. :/
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[17:17] <RITRedbeard> _inc, cool
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[17:19] <_inc> ?
[17:19] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[17:19] <RITRedbeard> @ printer
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[17:19] <RITRedbeard> I remember there was some program or website that chopped up an image so you could print multiple pages out and make it a poster.
[17:19] <RITRedbeard> This was mid/early 2000
[17:19] <_inc> rasterbator
[17:19] <RITRedbeard> That's the one.
[17:19] <noname^^> haha
[17:19] <noname^^> nice
[17:20] <_inc> i didnt do that this time
[17:21] <_inc> i used posterazor or something
[17:22] <_inc> camphone image: http://i.imgur.com/S4zVM.jpg
[17:24] <_inc> took bloody ages to line them up nicely and glue them up
[17:24] <RITRedbeard> wow, that's good... if I hadn't known I wouldn't be able to tell you made it that way
[17:24] <RITRedbeard> except maybe the top right
[17:24] <RITRedbeard> if I stared at it for hours on end
[17:24] <RITRedbeard> :P
[17:25] <_inc> my flatmate didnt know until i told him
[17:25] <_inc> then he noticed the seams
[17:26] <_inc> thing is, i made it. I always know the imperfections :(
[17:30] <Caver> that just means you need more beer
[17:30] <_inc> :)
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[17:55] <Davespice> Stop that infernal humming dammit!
[17:56] <IT_Sean> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[17:58] <traeak> !w
[17:58] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Jan 20 10:53:00 2012. Temp 45??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 42%, Later 59??F - 29??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[17:58] <Davespice> :)
[17:58] <Caver> !w
[17:58] <IT_Sean> !w
[17:58] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Fri Jan 20 19:53:00 2012. Temp 26??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 37%, Later 31??F - 22??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[17:58] <PiBot> Sat: High 31??F Low 20??F :Condition Icy
[17:58] <PiBot> Sun: High 36??F Low 31??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[17:58] <PiBot> Mon: High 49??F Low 31??F :Condition Chance of Rain
[17:58] <traeak> stop that forecast spmming!
[17:59] <IT_Sean> how to i switch off the forecast?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> !help
[17:59] <DaQatz> !weather_set forecast
[17:59] <PiBot> DaQatz: Forecasts now OFF by default.
[17:59] <Caver> don't type !w I guess
[17:59] <DaQatz> !weather_set forecast
[17:59] <PiBot> DaQatz: Forecasts now ON by default.
[17:59] <Caver> more to the point ... why can't it send it to him privately
[17:59] <IT_Sean> done
[18:00] <DaQatz> You can
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[18:00] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[18:01] <Caver> ROFTL
[18:01] <IT_Sean>
[18:01] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc 03901
[18:01] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're location has been set to 03901.
[18:01] <Caver> only for those with a fast internet connection
[18:01] <DaQatz> You're??
[18:02] <IT_Sean> HA!
[18:02] <IT_Sean> I hadn't noticed that before
[18:02] <IT_Sean> I'm not normally a Grammer German, but... that is a pretty blatent error.
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[18:02] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc 03901
[18:02] <PiBot> DaQatz: Your location has been set to 03901.
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[18:03] <DaQatz> Yes it was blatent
[18:03] <DaQatz> !weather_set forecast
[18:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: Forecasts now OFF by default.
[18:03] <DaQatz> !w
[18:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 27??F - 4??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:03] <DaQatz> oops
[18:04] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[18:04] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[18:04] <DaQatz> !w
[18:04] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 38??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 27??F - 4??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:04] <DaQatz> Grrr
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[18:04] <traeak> the *later* units are inconsistent
[18:04] <DaQatz> Later is in F with Ra
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[18:04] <DaQatz> To many little mistakes
[18:04] <traeak> hehe
[18:04] <traeak> more features usually means combinatorial bugs
[18:06] <DaQatz> !weather_set c
[18:06] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using celsius.
[18:06] <DaQatz> !w
[18:06] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 27??F - 4??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:06] <DaQatz> Thought so
[18:06] <DaQatz> On that last major change I missed the part for "later
[18:06] <DaQatz> It's not adaptive.
[18:06] <DaQatz> Just uses it in the form that google gives it in.
[18:07] <DaQatz> Need to fix that.
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[18:10] <DaQatz> !w
[18:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later -2??C - -15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:10] <DaQatz> !weather_set Ra
[18:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using rankine.
[18:11] <DaQatz> !w
[18:11] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 486??Ra - Unknown??Ra. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:11] <DaQatz> Hmmm
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[18:12] <DaQatz> !w
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 486??Ra - 463??Ra. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:12] <DaQatz> !weather_set k
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using kelvin.
[18:12] <DaQatz> !w
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Jan 20 20:51:00 2012. Temp 276K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 270K - 257K. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:12] <DaQatz> Okies
[18:12] <traeak> !weather_set c
[18:12] <PiBot> traeak: You're now using celsius.
[18:12] <traeak> !w
[18:12] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Jan 20 11:53:00 2012. Temp 9??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 42%, Later 15??C - -1??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:12] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[18:12] <DaQatz> !weather_set forecast
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: Forecasts now ON by default.
[18:12] <DaQatz> !weather_set forecast
[18:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: Forecasts now OFF by default.
[18:13] <DaQatz> I should add new temp scales.
[18:14] <DaQatz> Cricket chirps per minute perhaps?
[18:15] <Caver> CC's of icecream melt water per hour?
[18:16] <Caver> mind you I gather the new favourite measure of area is a "area the size of wales"
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[18:38] <mrDragons> Hey talkbot, I'm home. ^_^
[18:38] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
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[18:45] <MartijnVdS> ?pie
[18:45] <answerbot> pie = http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[18:47] <mrDragons> Mmm, pie.
[18:47] <mrDragons> Mmm, ?pie.
[18:47] <mrDragons> ?wat
[18:47] <answerbot> undefined
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[18:49] <mrDragons> ?set wat=indeed, wat
[18:49] <answerbot> undefined
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[18:54] <mrDragons> ?define
[18:54] <answerbot> undefined
[18:55] <mrDragons> talkbot: remember answerbot undefined=More like n00bbot. :P
[18:55] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[18:55] <mrDragons> ?set
[18:55] <answerbot> undefined
[18:55] <talkBot> more like n00bbot. :p
[18:57] <mrDragons> ?pie
[18:57] <answerbot> pie = http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[18:57] <talkBot> more like n00bbot. :p
[18:57] <mrDragons> talkbot, forget answerbot undefined
[18:57] * talkBot forgets that.
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[19:02] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[19:48] <mrDragons> kill talkbot
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[19:51] <traeak> kill talkbot
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[19:51] <traeak> woah
[19:51] <mrDragons> what's up
[19:51] <traeak> nada
[19:51] <traeak> working on software as usual
[19:52] <traeak> at least i've solved my latest engineering dilemma
[19:52] <traeak> now it's just work (ugh)
[19:52] <traeak> hmm
[19:52] <traeak> hmm...i wish mac minis could be gotten for under $100
[19:52] <traeak> why is all apple crap so expensive? I want to start doing release builds for OSX for some wierd reason
[19:53] <mrDragons> cheap mac minis would be pretty sweet
[19:53] <mrDragons> What do you make software for?
[19:54] <traeak> www.orthovista.com
[19:54] <traeak> ugh looks like someone screwed up the banner graphic
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[19:55] <traeak> well i see a 512MB eversion for $78 or something
[19:55] <traeak> might be okay (hopefully it's 64bit compat)
[19:56] <traeak> nope, that's wrong, fleabay (yuk)
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[20:03] <_inc> traeak: hackintosh?
[20:03] <_inc> http://www.hackintosh.com/
[20:03] <traeak> yeah
[20:04] <LiENUS> a hackintosh raspberry pi?
[20:04] <traeak> probaly just need to know how to build a cheap one then get OSX lion
[20:04] <traeak> *OR* maybe just run a VM
[20:04] <Simon-> you'd need to emulate x86...
[20:04] <traeak> would have to buy osx lion aparently if apple even allows
[20:04] <traeak> anywa
[20:04] <traeak> well don't care about this for rpi for now :-p
[20:04] <traeak> sry off topic
[20:05] <Simon-> apple prohibit running their OS on non-Apple hardware
[20:05] <traeak> of course
[20:05] <LiENUS> apple prohibits talkign about running their os on non apple hardware
[20:05] <LiENUS> imho legal or not... fuck apple
[20:06] <traeak> if i want to compile our software for OSX and enable apple's customers to run our software it's a bonus to them
[20:06] <traeak> i don't care honestly :-p
[20:06] <_inc> volkswagen prohibit their engines on non-volkswagen vehicles
[20:06] <traeak> so they should give me everything i need
[20:06] <traeak> to enable our customers to buy macs to run our software
[20:06] <LiENUS> _inc, yeah but volkswagen doesnt sue you for using their engine in non volkswagen vehicles
[20:09] <_inc> is that reference to the company who was selling unofficial laptops with OS X on them?
[20:09] <LiENUS> _inc yeah
[20:10] <_inc> yea well, it wasnt any wonder they were sued.
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[20:12] <traeak> heh
[20:12] <traeak> hmm
[20:12] <mrDragons> Heehhhmmm
[20:12] <traeak> means you can't buy an OSX license without hardware tied to it
[20:13] <traeak> i think my partner's wife bought some sort of mac at some point anyways
[20:13] <traeak> maybe just "borrow" one of her old install cd's and do a fully jailed VM or something
[20:13] <LiENUS> _inc, yeah well i think it should ought be legal for them to
[20:17] <mrDragons> We have to make it legal for medical use first
[20:17] <_inc> well there must be all sorts of licensing issues and paperwork; all that jazz. that company broke those rules. Apple can do whatever they want with their software right, regardless of what the public think of it. It is their software, they sued because the company was illegally selling the product
[20:18] <LiENUS> _inc, company purchased apple software and sold it with the hackintoshes
[20:18] <_inc> I'm all up for hacking OS X into whatever machine you want, but that company was stupid for thinking they could resell it with no consequence
[20:18] <LiENUS> where apple got them was they were pre installing it on the hackintoshes
[20:18] <LiENUS> why shouldnt someone be allowed to resell something they buy?
[20:18] <_inc> resale, against the EULA
[20:19] <LiENUS> which how in gods name is it legal to restrict someones right to resell a product they purchased?
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[20:20] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[20:20] <LiENUS> also afaik resell isnt against the eula
[20:20] <LiENUS> they're reselling the license they purchased to use that software, thats like saying reselling a music cd is illegal
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> what's this aboot?
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> *about
[20:21] <LiENUS> hackintoshes
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> lol... got a it Canadian there.
[20:21] <LiENUS> ya damned canuck
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, does the company which tried to sell them commercially still exist? Forget the name, but they were sued pretty quickly IIRC
[20:22] <LiENUS> i know i know you're not a canuck you're kiwi
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> close, but no
[20:27] <_inc> OS X is no GNU/Linux
[20:28] <traeak> i guess the answer is that i should try to steal partner's wife's machine if at all possible
[20:29] <traeak> if i even care that is
[20:29] <traeak> our stuff compiles well under clang though since i use that as a 'verification" compiler
[20:29] <traeak> okay no more off topic :-p
[20:29] <traeak> i personally don't like apple but marketing wise it might give us leverage to have OSX in addition to windows and linux
[20:30] <_inc> traeak: what are you developing?
[20:30] <LiENUS> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years
[20:30] <LiENUS> woah
[20:30] <LiENUS> raspberrypi is 5 years ahead of the curve
[20:31] <mrDragons> hehe
[20:31] <noname^^> I'm guessing they're talking about dp rather than hdmi though ;)
[20:32] <BarryK> yeah it's part of the HDMI/HDCP specification
[20:33] <traeak> _inc: www.orthovista.com we just got control of that software product back, but we only have code from circ 2003 or so
[20:33] <BarryK> from next year a device will be unable to be HDMI compliant if it has ANY analogue video/audio out
[20:33] <traeak> _inc: i'll port the algorithms to our new code base
[20:33] <traeak> interesting
[20:33] <traeak> displayport hopefully starts winning out
[20:34] <BarryK> lol
[20:34] <traeak> but VGA is still pretty useful
[20:34] <traeak> considering all these damn netbooks that were forced into VGA
[20:34] <traeak> M$ and intel to blame for crippling those devices
[20:34] <BarryK> VGA and DVI are good I just don't like the idea of forcing HDMI as good as it is, because you know the minute that happens they'll bring back HDCP in a big way
[20:35] <_inc> I made an orthophoto mosaic today :)
[20:35] <traeak> HDMI requries licensing fees, apparnetly displayport doesn't
[20:35] <traeak> _inc: ahh, you work in geospatial stuff ?
[20:35] <_inc> http://i.imgur.com/S4zVM.jpg
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[20:35] <_inc> 20 A4 sheets
[20:35] <_inc> :)
[20:35] <traeak> ahh gotcha
[20:35] <traeak> same camera, same lighting conditions?
[20:36] <BarryK> Display port is proprietary, just apple being awkward again
[20:36] <traeak> displayport i thought was AMD
[20:36] <traeak> they were the first one pushign that a few years back
[20:36] <_inc> traeak: just a chopped up png
[20:37] <traeak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displayport
[20:37] <_inc> Thunderbolt would be a better thing to push now though right?
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[20:38] <traeak> _inc: thunderbolt is over engineered
[20:38] <haltdef> I can't rly see a use for thunderbolt
[20:38] <_inc> maybe so, but it has more applications than display signals
[20:38] <traeak> if you don't mind $50 minimum cables
[20:38] <traeak> etc
[20:39] <_inc> hmmm, forgot about that
[20:39] <traeak> and it's best for things to do one thing and do it really well
[20:39] <BarryK> I just dont like the idea of anyone encrypting my connections and telling me what I can and cant use it with
[20:39] <traeak> not be a bunch of crap thrown together where the chance of having different vendors interoperate is almost non existent
[20:40] <traeak> "DisplayPort 1.0 includes optional DPCP"
[20:40] <traeak> with no license fees (compared wiht hdmi) seems like a win
[20:40] <BarryK> yeah its HDCP aswell
[20:41] <BarryK> yeah not optional to the end user
[20:41] <haltdef> it keeps the content providers happy, even though we can just nuke the encryption on the source itself if we want to :>
[20:41] <BarryK> if you dont get a HDCP compatible cable it just wont work
[20:41] <BarryK> yeah for now
[20:41] <haltdef> the cable doesn't need to support HDCP
[20:41] <haltdef> it's just a cable
[20:41] <BarryK> yes it does
[20:41] <BarryK> thats how it works
[20:42] <haltdef> we're talking about HDCP on DVI and HDMI, right?
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[20:43] <traeak> dunno...i think we want HDMI to go away
[20:43] <BarryK> only HDMI and displayport as far as I know DVI cables aren't compatible
[20:43] <traeak> because every single RPI you buy you're giving money to the HDMI folks
[20:43] <haltdef> DVI can support HDCP, and it has nothing to do with the physical cable
[20:44] <haltdef> you can't get a hdmi or dvi cable that won't support hdcp, it's the display and STB or whatever that have to support it
[20:44] <traeak> so barryk by purchasing an rpi you are actually paying money to the people who are trying to force DRM on you :-p
[20:44] <haltdef> HDMI and DVI being electrically identical
[20:44] <traeak> with displayport you aren't paying anyone money (so it's not as insulting)
[20:45] <haltdef> I only dislike hdmi because of the low bandwidh compared to DL-DVI
[20:45] <BarryK> DVI wont handshake properly, DVI cables aren't HDCP capable
[20:45] <haltdef> the cable is not relevant
[20:45] <haltdef> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
[20:46] <BarryK> Try rewire a dvi cable into a blu ray player then
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[20:47] <haltdef> as long as the dvi interface of the display supports it, it'll work
[20:47] <_inc> DONT BE SILLYYYY
[20:47] <haltdef> I can play blu-rays on my dvi pc just fine
[20:48] <haltdef> in fact, look at the interface support, DVI was the first to be supported, hdmi followed later
[20:48] <haltdef> I did not know that!
[20:49] <mrDragons> What screen can I use for it?
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[20:51] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[20:51] * IT_Sean causes trouble
[20:53] <mrDragons> talkBot: remember what screen can I use for it?=There are many options available, many of which are described on the forums. You can output to any HDMI or composite-in (RCA) TV, and can buy cheap adapters to connect the HDMI-out to a DVI-D in on a monitor. The raspi does not have a VGA out.
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[20:53] <mrDragons> hello talkbot
[20:54] <haltdef> did you forget your medication
[20:54] <mrDragons> Derp
[20:54] <_inc> derpBot
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[20:54] <mrDragons> talkBot: remember what screen can I use for it?=There are many options available, many of which are described on the forums. You can output to any HDMI or composite-in (RCA) TV, and can buy cheap adapters to connect the HDMI-out to a DVI-D in on a monitor. The raspi does not have a VGA out.
[20:54] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[20:54] <IT_Sean> can we just set it to respond to every question with "Read the bloody website you wanker!"
[20:54] <_inc> mrDragons: what language are you using?
[20:55] <IT_Sean> ?
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[20:55] <mrDragons> _inc: it's in python
[20:55] <_inc> sweet
[20:55] <mrDragons> What screen can I use?
[20:55] <_inc> what display can i use for with the raspberry pi?
[20:55] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[20:56] <mrDragons> sheit
[20:56] <mrDragons> What screen can I use for it??
[20:56] <talkBot> there are many options available, many of which are described on the forums. you can output to any hdmi or composite-in (rca) tv, and can buy cheap adapters to connect the hdmi-out to a dvi-d in on a monitor. the raspi does not have a vga out.
[20:56] <_inc> what screen can i use for with the raspberry pi?
[20:56] <talkBot> at the moment, they can use a variety of linux distrobutions ported to arm, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. it will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
[20:56] <IT_Sean> hmm
[20:56] <IT_Sean> needs work, i'd say
[20:56] <mrDragons> Yeah...
[20:57] <IT_Sean> although, do we really need ANOTHER bloody bot in here?
[20:57] <_inc> Can I use GNU Screen on the Raspberry Pi?
[20:57] <IT_Sean> talkBot: are you an idiot?
[20:57] <IT_Sean> :|
[20:57] <mrDragons> Me and feeb are kind of competing to make one, so heh. :P
[20:57] <rm> I'm pretty sure I can run GNU true on the Raspberry Pi
[20:57] <rm> and GNU false as well
[20:58] <mrDragons> It's not that dumb, the answer-choosing algorithm just needs a bit of work...
[20:58] <rm> those must have been ported to ARM by someone :)
[20:58] <_inc> im starting to like tmux more
[20:59] * IT_Sean is going to write a bot this weekend that ****slaps people when they come in and ask "is it out yet?"
[20:59] <IT_Sean> that shall be it's only purpose
[20:59] <mrDragons> Heh
[20:59] <IT_Sean> you think i'm joking?
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[21:00] <_inc> in a few weeks the bots shall inherit this channel
[21:00] <mrDragons> talkbot, remember is it out yet=ACTION Slaps 
[21:00] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[21:00] <mrDragons> is it out yet?
[21:00] <mrDragons> is it out yet?
[21:00] <_inc> questions will be asked by the noobs, and the bots will reply with walls of text
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[21:01] <mrDragons> Hey guys, is it out yet?
[21:02] <mrDragons> ignore me talkbox, pl0x
[21:03] <mrDragons> ignore me talkbot, pl0x
[21:03] <talkBot> mrdragons: Okay, I'm now ignoring your posts.
[21:03] <jmontleon> is the raspberrypi out yet?
[21:03] <_inc> mrDragons: /me slaps {$nick} <-- feature request
[21:03] <WASDx> is it out?
[21:03] <_inc> how can she slap?
[21:03] <WASDx> when someone asks if it is out yet
[21:04] <WASDx> yeah
[21:04] <WASDx> he should slap $name
[21:04] <_inc> yea, talkBot could be slapping his thighs in anticipation for all we know
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[21:05] <mrDragons> Hmm
[21:06] <mrDragons> listen to me, talkbot
[21:06] <talkBot> mrdragons: Okay, now I'm listening to you.
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[21:06] <mrDragons> talkbot forget is it out yet
[21:06] * talkBot forgets that.
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[21:09] <mrDragons> Is it out yet
[21:09] <mrDragons> hello talkbot
[21:09] <talkBot> Hello mrdragons!
[21:09] <mrDragons> Is it out yet
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[21:12] <ukscone> oh gawd this is soooooo slow. zipping the new dev vm. another hour then about 10 hours to upload somewhere
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[21:13] <mrDragons> 10 hours to uplad? 0_o
[21:13] <mrDragons> upload*
[21:13] <ukscone> up only got 512 up
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> what's new in the new VM?
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[21:29] <ctyler> wait, an hour to zip? how big is this thing?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> probably best to use something like ubuntu server or a minimal distro for the dev vm.... I am guessing most of the space is used up by things which are never going to be used.
[21:44] <victhor> ubuntu, server. Oxymoron :P
[21:45] <haltdef> isn't ubuntu server just debian? :P
[21:45] <victhor> well debian is eerily similar to ubuntu imo... :P
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[21:53] <ukscone> ctyler: it's 1.8GB uncompressed
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[21:54] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: some tweaks to make it pur-tee
[21:54] <ukscone> new versions of sb2 and qemu
[21:54] <ukscone> and f13arm as the seed rootfs so yum works
[21:55] <ukscone> it's ubuntu with apache2 and sshd setup as well, a shortcut to the build dir, arm toolchain and x86 toolchain plus some other bits and bobs
[21:56] <ukscone> had to give up on using fedora16 as the os in the vm though which pissed me off because it was just too quirky and a right PITA -- maybe nexttime
[21:58] <traeak> youch 1.8GB is brutal
[21:58] <traeak> so no way to do a puppy linux or whatever for ARM
[22:00] <ctyler> ukscone: what's the image format?
[22:01] <ukscone> traeak: probably but I have the setup and config of sb2, qemu, codesourcery.... down pat using debian/ubuntu. I could almost do it in my sleep
[22:01] <ukscone> ctyler: virtualbox ova
[22:01] <ukscone> e.g. exported vm
[22:02] <ukscone> traeak: one of the things with f16 was lack of realpath binary in the distro. i did write my own but there were other problems that trashed the vm as i was building it when i did a yum update that killed guest additions
[22:02] <traeak> realpath ??
[22:02] <ukscone> vb guest additions didn't like the fedora xorg version
[22:02] <feep> f16?!?!
[22:02] <feep> there is no such key!!
[22:02] <traeak> ahh virtualbox
[22:03] <traeak> fedora16
[22:03] <ukscone> feep: fedora16
[22:03] <feep> yesyes
[22:03] <feep> generally I do not multiple-punctuation when serious.
[22:04] <ctyler> (ukscone: was just wondering if it was one of the formats that qemu-img could convert to other formats. Looks like you one could use VMware Converter -> qemu-img)
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[22:05] <ukscone> you could but still be a large image and you'd lose all the VM settings
[22:06] <ukscone> that is left as an exercise for the user
[22:06] <ukscone> ok media fire won't allow files > 200MB
[22:06] <ctyler> :-(
[22:06] <ukscone> need to find somewhere that'll let a 1.76GB file to be uploaded
[22:06] <ukscone> hmmmm wonder if dropbox would work
[22:07] <ctyler> ukscone: the entire contents are open source in one form on another?
[22:07] <ukscone> ctyler: the only thing that isn't 100% opensource any more is the arm toolchain but that can be swapped easily
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[22:08] <ctyler> ukscone: is it freely redistributable if not OS?
[22:08] <ukscone> it's ubuntu (opensource), sb2 (opensource), qemu (opensource) er er think that's all that counts
[22:08] <ukscone> ctyler: as far as i know it's all freely distributable at least noone has told me to stop it
[22:10] <ukscone> the only thing that could possibly be a problem is the codesourcery toolchain since mentor graphics took it over but it's a version prior to that even
[22:10] <ctyler> hmm
[22:11] <ukscone> i think it'll be ok in dropbox and then if someone makes a torrent (obarthelemy did that last time) it should be workout ok for ppl to grab it
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[22:12] <ctyler> ok. I'd consider hosting here if it's clear-cut redistributable.
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[22:13] <ukscone> well i need to get it up first. once i do anyone can host it. my server can't stand the bandwidth and hits atm -- a blog post last week took down the server well and truely
[22:14] <DoctorD> cheers all
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[22:15] <Tobias|> ukscone, put it in a torrent and I'll seed it provided it's 100% free
[22:15] <DoctorD> It will be possible to install any OS on the Raspberry Pi without using a GUI ? i mean...no video signal. Something like "trough network"...? I ask this because i do not have any HDMI monitor.
[22:15] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[22:15] <Tobias|> I'm sure a number of others would :p
[22:16] <IT_Sean> DoctorD: you "install the OS" by creating the boot SD card, and sticking it in the SD card slot.
[22:16] <victhor> SD cards need to be formatted and filled on a computer, so yes
[22:16] <ctyler> DoctorD: yes, you can run it headless -- as it will be run in a lot of controller and micro-webserver situations
[22:16] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:16] <IT_Sean> plllleaseeee switch talkBot off. It is just spewing random replies.
[22:16] <ctyler> talkBot, you're smoking crack again.
[22:16] <IT_Sean> Who's running talkBot?
[22:17] <ukscone> Tobias|: that's part of the problem :) i hate to say it but i don't actually know how to make a torrent :)
[22:17] <DoctorD> IT_Sean: Ohh..yeah. You're right...we can set up what OS we want (trough that software that Raspberry Pi provides...- on the forum i saw some posts about it)
[22:17] <talkBot> at the moment, they can use a variety of linux distrobutions ported to arm, including debian, archlinux arm, fedora, and gentoo. it will not run any x86 software, such as windows.
[22:17] <IT_Sean>
[22:17] <DoctorD> what do you think: it will run Slackware ?
[22:17] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:17] <Tobias|> ukscone, open utorrent, file -> Create new torrent
[22:18] <ctyler> DoctorD: ignore talkBot. I haven't heard any slackware plans, though.
[22:18] <Tobias|> Use the trackers that are in the tracker list by default
[22:18] <IT_Sean> whoever is running talkBot, please, for the love of all that is good in this world, take it to a different channel until you manage to make it much less irritating!!
[22:19] <DoctorD> ctyler: it will be interesting..but gentoo or fedora sounds good anyway..but more good it sounded slackware or any great OS that can serve as a server
[22:19] <ukscone> Tobias|: i don't use utorrent because it's evil and alot of trackers i used banned it
[22:19] <ukscone> i'll get it up first then see about torrents and stuff
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[22:20] <Jaseman> I need some very quick help
[22:20] <Jaseman> python coding
[22:20] <Hopsy> Can someone tell me the latest raspberry news :P ?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: the latest news can be found on the website
[22:21] <Jaseman> infile = open(filename,"r") # Pull the data into the string array for l in range(0,1): polyarray[l] = float(infile.readline()) # Close file - Can't get this to work! # f.close()
[22:21] <Jaseman> how can i close the file?
[22:21] <Tobias|> Alright then, ukscone. If you have a unix box available, look into mktorrent after you're done
[22:21] <Hopsy> I already checked IT_Sean
[22:21] <Hopsy> I want more news haha :p
[22:21] <IT_Sean> the news there IS the latest news.
[22:21] <IT_Sean> that is all the news there is.
[22:21] <Hopsy> like the release date :(
[22:21] <Hopsy> ah
[22:21] <Hopsy> okay
[22:21] <IT_Sean> there is no firm set release date
[22:22] <IT_Sean> when there is one, it will be posted ON THE WEB SITE.
[22:22] <Jaseman> i cant get the f.close() to work
[22:22] <Hopsy> OK AY! :p
[22:22] <Jaseman> anyone?
[22:22] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: try #python ?
[22:22] <Jaseman> okay
[22:22] <Jaseman> thanks
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[22:25] <Hopsy> will the raspberry include a power supply?
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[22:25] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: as per the website, no. it will not. It will use a generic micro_usb adapter for power.
[22:26] <Hopsy> where do I buy a power adapter IT_Sean?
[22:26] <_inc> Hopsy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[22:27] <IT_Sean> office supply shop, electronics shop, ebay, amazon, the bloke down the corner with the smelly cart
[22:28] <IT_Sean> it uses a standard microUSB mobile phone charger.
[22:29] <traeak> _inc: nice polite way to tell someone RTFM
[22:29] <victhor> I'm going to run it off a USB port
[22:29] <traeak> to be safest you may want to go buy a cell phone charger from a wireless carrier
[22:30] <_inc> IT_Sean: I'm saving you from RSI
[22:30] <traeak> a cell phone brand, like nokia, samsung, etc
[22:30] * MartijnVdS has one from dealextreme, works fine
[22:30] <IT_Sean> _inc: i swear, this weekend. I'm writing an FAQ bot.
[22:30] <_inc> victhor: power it off its own USB port?
[22:30] <MartijnVdS> provides lots of amps on request
[22:30] <IT_Sean> just tells people to read the bloody website.
[22:30] <_inc> :D
[22:31] <victhor> _inc, no, a computer's.
[22:32] <_inc> For HTPC applications, you may be able to power it off a television USB port
[22:32] <traeak> scary enough even my HDTV has a usb port
[22:32] <MartijnVdS> Mine has 2
[22:32] <traeak> mine's about 4 years old now i think
[22:32] <ReggieUK> mines got 1
[22:33] <ReggieUK> and is about 4 years old toop
[22:33] <_inc> mine doesnt, so I was really disapointed after i thought of this
[22:33] <ReggieUK> mines got a serial port on the back too
[22:33] <traeak> which reminds me i should see if there's a firmware update
[22:33] <_inc> so now I need to this of how to get logic 1 from the TV to the Pi
[22:33] <Hopsy> why doesnt it run windows, I am disappointed!
[22:33] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:34] <_inc> ** so now I need to think of how to get logic 1 from the TV to the Pi
[22:34] * ReggieUK resists the urge to troll bait hopsy
[22:34] <traeak> heh
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[22:35] <traeak> Hopsy: it does run windows, you were mistaken when you read. You need to buy a copy of windows7 ultimate. To get power just plug in a telephone cable, and you need to take the white card from your cell phone and plug that into the rpi's card slot.
[22:35] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:36] <Hopsy> lool traeak
[22:36] <_inc> traeak: you should really write a trollbot
[22:36] <MartijnVdS> _inc: so the bots could annoy each other?
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[22:36] <pygo> haha
[22:37] <pygo> please put them in their own chan though
[22:37] <pygo> maybe include some cleverbotness as well
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> #rpi-robot-flameware
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> -e
[22:37] <paul-> windows
[22:38] <paul-> run windows
[22:38] <_inc> can windows
[22:38] <_inc> why windows
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[22:38] <paul-> run windows?
[22:38] <pygo> fuck windows
[22:38] <paul-> does it run windows
[22:38] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:38] <_inc> french windows
[22:38] <paul-> does my it my run my windows
[22:38] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[22:39] <pygo> quescu fuck?
[22:39] <pygo> spelling. lol
[22:39] <pygo> quesce?
[22:39] <_inc> oui
[22:40] <pygo> "Oui", "Quesce fuck?", "Fuckated" is all the french I know
[22:40] <pygo> oh and "Bonjoir" or however it;s spelled
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[22:41] <IT_Sean> ok... really... talkBot needs to go bye bye 'till it is less annoying
[22:42] <pygo> rpis need to ship
[22:42] <IT_Sean> run it in it's own channel 'till you have the kinks worked out.
[22:42] <_inc> IT_Sean: poke mrDragons
[22:42] <victhor> /ignore talkBot ALL
[22:42] <victhor> it works :O
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[22:46] <IT_Sean> mrDragons... you NEED to run talkbot in it's OWN channel until it is working proeprly. it is FAR too annoying in it's current state to be in #raspberrypi
[22:46] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[22:46] <pygo> more like $35 computer, for the first batch
[22:46] <pygo> but that's OK. I want the ethernet port
[22:46] <pygo> would be nice if it had 802.11bgn
[22:47] <haltdef> that's cost a fortune to add
[22:47] <victhor> buy a $10 usb dongle
[22:47] <pygo> no, just use a usb port and yeah. a $10 dongle
[22:47] <traeak> pygo: it'd be cool if someone gaveme $1 million too :=p
[22:47] <victhor> this is a $35 computer, not a $3500 one that does everything.
[22:47] <pygo> that $10 dongle would likely be cheaper in chip form
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[22:47] <pygo> :(
[22:47] <haltdef> getting it onto the PCB costs
[22:47] <haltdef> bigger PCB costs
[22:48] <pygo> :<
[22:48] <Hopsy> okay then leopard x will be bootable on this chip
[22:48] <pygo> osx?
[22:48] <haltdef> possibly a higher end SoC if a single usb2 port isn't enough for 2 usb ports, wifi and ethernet
[22:48] <ReggieUK> hopsy, read the fscking faq on the website
[22:48] * cornet finds the moon and a stick
[22:48] <haltdef> get a pandaboard if you really want it to do everything :P
[22:48] <pygo> yeah. pretty sure 256mb ram isn't anywhere near enough for OSX
[22:48] * traeak directs pygo to http://beagleboard.org/
[22:48] <victhor> I want a phenom II x6 processor and 2 GTX 580
[22:49] <pygo> 2gb ram isn't enough for OSX
[22:49] <victhor> on the pi.
[22:49] <pygo> lol
[22:49] <pygo> wait 5 more years
[22:49] <victhor> also 32 GB ram and a integrated 1 TB SSD for $35
[22:49] <hamitron> I actually have a normal comp sat on a motherboard tray for high end stuff ;)
[22:49] <victhor> that's what everyone wants. But keep in mind this is a $35 and many compromises had to be made so it would cost $35.
[22:50] <Hopsy> victhor: and core i7
[22:50] <ian_mac_> is there a version of OS X that runs on ARM?
[22:50] <pygo> beagle board aint bad. but the rpi will be more than good enough I think for a spider robot
[22:50] <rm> called iOS
[22:50] <victhor> adding any kind of hardware will result in the price increasing to a lot more than the $35 it's supposed to cost.
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[22:50] <traeak> Hopsy: no way, core i15 AT LEAST
[22:50] <Hopsy> with 3.4 GHz
[22:50] <ian_mac_> iOS is similar to but not equal to OS X
[22:51] <traeak> nah man 10 gigahurtz
[22:51] <ian_mac_> that sounds painful
[22:51] <Hopsy> why not 50 ?
[22:51] <pygo> pretty sure cisco IOS is nothing similar to Apple OSX and it won;t run on the rpi
[22:51] <pygo> trololol
[22:51] <traeak> i believe apple may actually be trying to move the two (ios and osx) together
[22:51] <Kostic> Hackintosh again? LOL... By the way, good evening...
[22:51] <pygo> and why apple iOS and not android which would likely run on it without much modification?
[22:51] * hamitron thinks the cpu should be as slow as possible
[22:52] <victhor> buy a arduino then >_>
[22:52] <pygo> ^
[22:52] <victhor> I think it's fine.
[22:52] <Hopsy> lol
[22:52] <hamitron> hehe
[22:52] <pygo> I'm guessing there's no overcurrent protection on the GPIO pins?
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[22:53] <Hopsy> but can it run crysis?
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[22:53] <Kostic> Where are bots to answer this question?
[22:54] * Kostic is now known as KosticBot
[22:54] <KosticBot> No, it cant run crysis. Its to much bloated to run it...
[22:54] * KosticBot is now known as Kostic
[22:55] <_inc> It can run Crysis on medium settings
[22:55] <talkBot> Of course, and it also flies and plays folky drum and bass.
[22:55] <ian_mac_> flying would be cool
[22:55] <ian_mac_> does it really do that?
[22:56] <ian_mac_> and can't go wrong with folky drum and bass
[22:57] <Kostic> Well, you must first sacrifice some of Richard Stallman's beard in a wicked satanistic ceremonial to make it airborne...
[22:57] <Kostic> xD
[22:59] <_inc> My lecturers all have manlove for Stallman
[22:59] <Hopsy> Cool!
[23:00] <ReggieUK> folky drum and bass 0.o
[23:00] <ReggieUK> wtf?
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