#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-21

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[0:06] <azalyn> you know, i just realized something.
[0:06] <azalyn> this project forced me to learn to spell 'raspberry' properly.
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[0:07] <azalyn> i used to spell it wrong. 'rasberry'
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[0:13] <LiENUS> azalyn, same here
[0:14] <gomiboy> the device isn't out yet and the educational project bears fruits already! :P
[0:15] <LiENUS> honestly part of me kinda hopes they get driven out of business by their own success
[0:15] <LiENUS> or rather
[0:16] <LiENUS> driven out of the single board computer stuff and into more interesting things
[0:16] <LiENUS> and by that i mean i hope they succeed in stimulating interest in computers to the point larger entities start doing it
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[0:25] <azalyn> LiENUS: that's a horrible wish. :P
[0:25] <azalyn> but i understand what you mean.
[0:25] <azalyn> it would be nice to have more dirt cheap computers on the market.
[0:26] <azalyn> maybe we'll even see some x86 ones... which would be insane.
[0:26] <LiENUS> well my understanding is the project founders would be thrilled if that happened
[0:26] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[0:26] <LiENUS> besides if it happened
[0:26] <LiENUS> i think it would take long enough that the raspberry pi guys would be able to develop a new project
[0:26] <haltdef> that's going to get annoying
[0:27] <LiENUS> the bot?
[0:27] <_inc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRC7RO2tOJQ
[0:28] <_inc> good potential pi project
[0:28] <azalyn> i would love to see some company introduce a mini pc with displayport.
[0:29] <azalyn> since you can convert displayport to any other video connection
[0:29] <azalyn> vga, hdmi, component, etc.. whatever.
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[0:35] <hamitron> azalyn, wouldn't the adapters cost as much as the pi? ;)
[0:35] <haltdef> my n900's charger should do it
[0:35] <haltdef> 1000ma
[0:35] <LiENUS> azalyn, no audio with displayport tho :/
[0:35] <talkBot> a raspberry pi is a $25 computer developed by the raspberry pi foundation to teach programming to kids."
[0:36] * haltdef stabs talkBot
[0:36] <LiENUS> _inc, those cost less than a raspi+parts needed for it
[0:36] * hamitron arrests haltdef
[0:36] <_inc> LiENUS: im listening...
[0:36] <LiENUS> you can find em on dealextreme.com for super cheap
[0:36] <LiENUS> or even amazon.com
[0:36] <LiENUS> look for car dvr
[0:36] <LiENUS> comes with camera typically iirc
[0:37] <LiENUS> uses sd card for storage
[0:38] <_inc> sweet
[0:38] <_inc> thanks
[0:42] <paul-> someone kill that talkbot, its crap
[0:42] <haltdef> yes
[0:42] <LiENUS> talkBot, go away
[0:42] <talkBot> Ok, just tell me when to come back.
[0:42] <haltdef> NEVER
[0:42] <haltdef> !
[0:42] <azalyn> hamitron: short-term perhaps. not with economies of scale. the adaptors could eventually be dirt cheap.
[0:43] <azalyn> and just built into the cables
[0:43] <azalyn> LiENUS: and yes, displayport has audio. not sure where you got the idea that it doesn't.
[0:43] <LiENUS> orly i thought it didnt
[0:43] <LiENUS> does it do hdcp?
[0:44] <hamitron> not all gpu with hdmi have audio.... maybe room for confusion?
[0:44] <azalyn> it's better than hdmi in pretty much every way. hdmi just has the 'first mover' advantage. which doesn't mean much.. hdmi is based on dvi, and displayport was designed to replace dvi because dvi was viewed as a piece of crap.
[0:44] <azalyn> couldn't meet the demands of hi-res and so on.
[0:45] <azalyn> LiENUS: yes, it has hdcp, and it's own copy-protection scheme that i don't think anyone uses right now. DRM is optional in the displayport spec though.
[0:45] <hamitron> the fact dvi can work with hdmi devices has pluses though
[0:45] <azalyn> which is a good thing i think. because drm sucks.
[0:46] <azalyn> hamitron: displayport engineers thought of that too though, they have support for passive-hdmi adaptors, in addition to active converters.
[0:46] <LiENUS> ok
[0:46] <LiENUS> so display port has backwards compatibility with everything
[0:46] <LiENUS> hdmi dvi vga
[0:46] <azalyn> yep.
[0:46] <hamitron> complication..... anyother disadvantage
[0:46] <hamitron> ;)
[0:46] <LiENUS> ...
[0:46] <hamitron> another*
[0:47] <LiENUS> why do they even build new devices with anything else?
[0:47] <LiENUS> since it works with old devices
[0:47] <LiENUS> theres no momentum reasons
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[0:48] <hamitron> is there a reason for gpu with display ports costing more?
[0:48] <azalyn> LiENUS: it was designed with conversion in mind. that's why from day 1, the standard had YpBpR support, and RGB. so you can convert without colorspace conversion to most common formats. and it also provides power like usb, so you can power in-circuit chips and what not.
[0:48] <azalyn> LiENUS: it's a matter of economies of scale. hdmi launched first because the home theater market wanted to sabotage displayport. at least that's my little conspiracy theory. ;)
[0:49] <azalyn> the home theater guys have a reputation of piggybacking on technology from the IT sector, and trying to gain some kind of control over formats and connections.
[0:49] <_inc> just like dh-dvd right?
[0:49] <azalyn> i think they're afraid of computers.
[0:49] <_inc> * hd-dvd
[0:50] <azalyn> they're afraid that computers will just dominate every industry, until every market is basically just an IT market.
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[0:51] <azalyn> component video is based on vga for one thing. it's just a different colorspace.
[0:51] <azalyn> and hdmi is based on dvi.
[0:51] <hamitron> I suspect it cost less to just support the newer of the 2
[0:52] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[0:52] <azalyn> it will take time for displayport to catch up in terms of cost, but yeah..
[0:52] <hamitron> displayport is always going to be more complicated than hdmi only though?
[0:52] <azalyn> no..
[0:52] <azalyn> complexity doesn't really enter much into it.
[0:53] <azalyn> and i believe displayport is a more elegantly designed standard. and can use less power. which is good for laptops.
[0:53] <victhor> Thorn_, thanks to your insistence on asking this question all workers of the raspi factories have committed suicide and so the raspi is not going to be produced.
[0:53] <Thorn_> i dont care
[0:53] <Thorn_> is it out yet?
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[0:53] <victhor> differential, usernamefail
[0:54] <victhor> :P
[0:54] <differential> :P
[0:54] <victhor> your hostname too.
[0:54] <differential> And Real name too.
[0:54] <differential> .....
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[1:18] <WASDx> answerbot: what is the meaning of life?
[1:19] <pygo> answerbot has no answers
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[1:28] <_inc> !set "meaning of life"=42
[1:28] <_inc> revoked :(
[1:28] <cousteau> _inc, wait 7.5 million years, maybe it responds
[1:28] <_inc> :)
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[1:35] <mrDragons> ?pie
[1:36] <mrDragons> Y u no give pie recipes answerbot?
[1:41] <pygo> go to supermarket, buy apple pie, add cheese, microwave
[1:41] <pygo> next, NOM NOM
[1:41] <pygo> hmm. wonder if raspberry pie would be good with a little cheddar
[1:45] <hamitron> apple sauce
[1:45] <hamitron> and ice cream
[1:50] <LiENUS> _inc, i shut him up
[1:50] <LiENUS> people was complainin
[1:50] <mrDragons> Hello talkbot?
[1:50] <LiENUS> talkBot, come back
[1:50] <talkBot> I'ma back
[1:50] <mrDragons> That's mine. :P
[1:51] <_inc> I though feep made answerbot?
[1:51] <LiENUS> oh diff bot ?
[1:51] <LiENUS> ?pie
[1:52] <mrDragons> Yeah, answerbot is feep, talkbot is mine, and PiBot works right. :P
[1:52] <mrDragons> Just go away already talkbot.
[1:52] <talkBot> Ok, just tell me when to come back.
[1:52] <feep> ;load qa
[1:52] <answerbot> Defined []
[1:53] <feep> ?pie
[1:53] <answerbot> pie = http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[1:53] <feep> I really need autostart.
[1:53] <feep> !set meaning of life = 42
[1:53] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[1:53] <feep> ?mea
[1:53] <answerbot> meaning of life = 42
[1:54] <mrDragons> ?meaning
[1:54] <answerbot> meaning of life = 42
[1:54] <mrDragons> ?meaning of life
[1:54] <answerbot> meaning of life = 42
[1:55] <mrDragons> !set the answer to everything=?meaning of life
[1:55] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[1:56] <mrDragons> ?the answer
[1:56] <answerbot> meaning of life = 42
[1:56] <mrDragons> Oh cool
[1:56] <_inc> windows
[1:57] <mrDragons> Hey, talkbot, come back
[1:57] <talkBot> I'ma back
[1:57] <mrDragons> talkbot, ignore me
[1:57] <talkBot> mrdragons: Okay, I'm now ignoring your posts.
[1:58] <mrDragons> I added a new feature where he can ignore just you, so you can talk about it running crysis and windows and raspberries without it responding to you
[1:59] <mrDragons> I really need to fix the actual talking part of the program
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[2:10] <_inc> integrate them with #RaspberryPi twitter feed
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[2:15] <mdavey> talkBot, come back
[2:15] <talkBot> I'ma back
[2:15] <mdavey> talkBot please get me a beer
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[2:16] <mdavey> Just go away already talkBot you are rubbish
[2:16] <talkBot> Ok, just tell me when to come back.
[2:17] <mdavey> answerbot please get me a beer
[2:17] <mdavey> ?beer
[2:17] <answerbot> undefined
[2:17] <mdavey> eek
[2:17] * mdavey doesn't like the idea of a world where beer is undefined
[2:19] <hamitron> #define beer 1
[2:21] <ukscone> mdavey: could be worse. twiglets could be undefined
[2:22] <ukscone> i could survive without beer as there are always wines and spirits and meths but twiglets noooooooooo
[2:23] <ReggieUK> I'm surprised you haven't got a twiglet recipe by now
[2:24] <ukscone> ReggieUK: i do
[2:25] <ukscone> i go to the park after a strong gale and pick up sticks and then dip them in a jar of marmite
[2:25] <ukscone> actually i sort of do. a variation on a cheese straw recipe. not quite the same but how can you go wrong with cheese and twiglets
[2:26] <ReggieUK> cheese and marmite twists
[2:26] <ReggieUK> nom nom nom
[2:27] <ukscone> marmite is a gateway drug to the real stuff. mainlined twiglets
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[2:30] <_inc> I hate marmite
[2:30] <_inc> but
[2:30] <_inc> i loved the marmite crisps they used to do
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[2:53] <mrDragons> I wonder how long it's going to be before I can have a computer with equal processing power as today's quantum computers in my room for $1k...
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[2:55] <hamitron> you wouldn't be willing to pay $2k?
[2:55] <hamitron> ;)
[2:57] <ReggieUK> isn't the power of those things quite pitiful in reality?
[2:57] <ReggieUK> right now
[2:58] <ReggieUK> like in the lab and not economical to scale up to anything remotely useful?
[2:59] * hamitron shrugs
[2:59] <hamitron> not honestly looked
[2:59] <hamitron> ;)
[2:59] <hamitron> brb, need coffee and bacon butty
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[3:28] <mdavey> ?twiglets
[3:28] <answerbot> undefined
[3:28] <mdavey> ukscone: ^^
[3:30] <ukscone> :)
[3:31] <mrDragons> !set twiglets=what's a twiglet?
[3:31] <answerbot> Definition stored.
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[3:33] <mrDragons> ?What's a raspberry pi?
[3:33] <answerbot> undefined
[3:33] <mrDragons> ?raspberry pi
[3:33] <answerbot> raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
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[3:34] <ukscone> !set twiglets=Twiglets are crisp wheat-based snacks with a "distinctive knobbly shape" similar to that of a small twig, originating in the United Kingdom. The taste of Twiglets derives from the yeast extract used in its coating, and has been compared to that of Marmite. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiglets
[3:34] <answerbot> Definition changed.
[3:35] <ukscone> ?twiglets
[3:35] <answerbot> twiglets = Twiglets are crisp wheat-based snacks with a "distinctive knobbly shape" similar to that of a small twig, originating in the United Kingdom. The taste of Twiglets derives from the yeast extract used in its coating, and has been compared to that of Marmite. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiglets
[3:35] <ukscone> coolio
[3:35] <ReggieUK> that should be:
[3:35] <ReggieUK> twiglets = Twiglets are crisp wheat-based snacks with a "distinctive knobbly shape" similar to that of a small twig, originating in the United Kingdom. The taste of Twiglets derives from the yeast extract used in its coating, and has been compared to that of Marmite. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiglets NOM NOM NOM
[3:35] <ukscone> :)
[3:41] <UnaClocker> I want Pi
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[3:45] <Da|Mummy> would you come out already? i need a media player
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[3:57] <sightlight> hii
[4:00] <sightlight> hello
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[4:02] <LiENUS> ?What's a mom?
[4:02] <answerbot> undefined
[4:02] <LiENUS> OMG
[4:04] <piofcube> Lots of little mini r-pis that can be mounted on any flat, dry surface :P
[4:04] <LiENUS> ette
[4:05] <sightlight> hello
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[5:04] <Thorn_> god damnit LiENUS
[5:04] <Thorn_> i actually checked, ffs
[5:05] <LiENUS> lol
[5:07] <Thorn_> for that, from now on i will call you LiANUS :(
[5:16] <duckinator> hi
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[12:12] <feep> hi
[12:12] <feep> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/c3j534t?context=3
[12:12] <feep> I thought the rpi was supposed to be EGL/GLES?
[12:12] <feep> Is it GLX/GLES instead?
[12:13] <feep> and isn't the point that this is a mobile phone chip, so it should use mobile phone libs?
[12:13] <feep> how the hell is GLX compatible with GLES anyway?
[12:13] <feep> I am so confused.
[12:13] <feep> my /usr/include/GLES has an egl.h
[12:13] <feep> so .. wat
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[15:41] <leanother> hey
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[15:55] <ukscone> ok looks like i'm not as big a duffer as I thought. managed to actually create a torrent of the vm and it looks like it's working :)
[15:57] <haltdef> vm of what?
[15:57] <haltdef> this sounds interesting
[15:57] <ukscone> haltdef: a vm setup to build s/w for the raspberry pi
[15:58] <feep> that seems weird
[15:58] <haltdef> x86 VM with arm toolchain?
[15:58] <feep> why not offer a shellscript to build the toolchain?
[15:58] <ukscone> feep: because it's not that simple
[15:58] <haltdef> setup with windows users in mind maybe
[15:58] <ukscone> and the vm has more
[15:58] <feep> >_<
[15:58] <feep> why isn't it that simple?
[15:58] <ukscone> haltdef: well windows users makes life easier but linux can use it too
[15:59] <ukscone> feep: because that doens't handle rootfs, emulation.....
[16:00] <ukscone> feep: an arm toolchain is only one problem to solve when building or porting s/w
[16:00] <feep> uu
[16:00] <feep> okay so you need to download some images and apt-get install qemu
[16:00] <haltdef> what needs emulating?
[16:00] <ukscone> for a start how would you check to see if your s/w runs after building?
[16:00] <feep> I still don't see why this needs to be wrapped up in a whole vm
[16:00] <feep> ukscone: .. the same way I do currently?
[16:01] <feep> cd razzlepie; sh start.sh; exit
[16:01] <haltdef> you're probably not the target audience tbh
[16:01] <feep> the target audience _can run a VM_.
[16:01] <feep> what I'm saying is this is a bizarre target audience with a conflicted skillset.
[16:01] <ukscone> feep: i have several ways buildroot, aboriginal, openembedded...... but this way using scratchbox2 is the easiest
[16:01] <feep> :shrug: you know what, whatever works for you
[16:01] * feep afk :D
[16:01] <ukscone> feep: using scratchbox2 it's basically a no brainer
[16:02] <ukscone> feep: and the 1000 d/l's of the last version mean at least 10 people agree with me :)
[16:06] <feep> ^^
[16:06] <feep> fair
[16:06] <_inc> 'morning
[16:07] <feep> offtopic, can you chime in with http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/c3j53et?context=3 ?
[16:10] <ukscone> well he is still using the alpha/beta os atm
[16:10] <ukscone> the distro is not quite ready
[16:10] <_inc> ukscone: did your upload finish?
[16:10] <ukscone> so some libs may be missing
[16:10] <ukscone> _inc: yes AND i was able to make a torrent all by myself :)
[16:11] <_inc> ukscone: linky link :)
[16:11] <ukscone> but i can let 3 ppl have direct links to make torrents or upload else where if they wish
[16:11] <ukscone> didn't know dropbox had a 10gig a day d/l limit
[16:12] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/RaspberryPi/raspberrypi_dev_vm_02.torrent is the torrent
[16:12] <ukscone> dropbox should be the initial seed
[16:12] <ukscone> it finished uploading by the looks of things about 30minutes after i was snoring away waiting for the snow to start
[16:13] <_inc> what is this sorcery
[16:14] <_inc> i had no idea torrents can do that
[16:14] <ukscone> i only found out after a google or two after i found out that dropbox will disable your account if you d/l more than 10 gig in a day
[16:15] <ukscone> apparently you can create a torrent that uses dropbox as a seed. i did a quick test and it seemed to work -- took aboout a minute to show up as a seed
[16:22] <ukscone> wow someone is at 38% already :)
[16:27] <_inc> I would have this done much faster on my cardiff connection
[16:27] <_inc> i hate this BS "8meg" adsl line I have to cope with during term time
[16:27] <ukscone> although i'm not a big fan of cloud services and dropbox in particular I think i'll be using this "trick" more often :)
[16:28] <ukscone> _inc: i hate my 10m to 15m up and 512k down :(
[16:29] <_inc> ouch
[16:29] <ukscone> i am going to move in to a friends backyard. he has fios and 30/30 :)
[16:29] <ukscone> switch up/down
[16:29] <_inc> say what, you are in americaland?
[16:29] <ukscone> 10m down 512k up stupid keyboard trying to confuse me
[16:29] <ukscone> yup
[16:30] <_inc> I have Virgins 100m
[16:30] <ukscone> so far the sentence has been 20 years. i'd have been out if i'd just murdered someone rather than marrying them
[16:31] <_inc> :)
[16:31] <ukscone> is that how far it goes? any website further than 100 meters away you can't get to :)
[16:32] <_inc> :)
[16:32] <_inc> upstream would be nice
[16:32] <_inc> Virgins upstream solution seems to be IP over Avian Carrier
[16:32] <ukscone> i have a softspot for richard branson but he is a complete jerk and his companies service sucks
[16:34] <ukscone> timewarner/roadrunner is horrible. i could mail my packets using USPS and it'd probably be quicker
[16:34] <ukscone> and more reliable
[16:35] <_inc> If the network cables were managed by the Council/Gov like the water mains are, and then the companies were just left with the equipment for service, do you think that It will allow for a much better service for the end user?
[16:36] <ukscone> i'd actually like to go back partially to the 70s and early 80s before maggie got her hands on everything
[16:36] <ukscone> rail, gas, electricity and water should be gov owned
[16:37] <_inc> and internet? :P
[16:37] <ukscone> bitch telescum probably although i liked it when we had bt and mercury and a couple of others
[16:37] <ukscone> bt shoudl still be part of the post office :) but allow mercury etc to exist and prosper and the inetrnet shoudl be run by them
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[16:38] <ukscone> and nothing should be allowed to be run by branson. just give him enough public money to go into space and have his hot air balloons but not let him run anything
[16:38] <_inc> :)
[16:40] <ukscone> we should put branson, sugar and sinclair in a living museum. not let them near anything important but give them all the equipment they want to tinker, a place to live and let people go watch them
[16:41] <_inc> I really dont like Alan r
[16:41] <_inc> Sugar*
[16:42] <_inc> and i don't get why the public love his TV show
[16:42] <_inc> didn't he effectively destroy Amstrad?
[16:42] <ukscone> I do and i don't -- amstrad was greta but the stuff was crap
[16:43] <ukscone> his pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap changed the uk some for th good some for the bad but on the whole he did mostly good until he started to believe the hype
[16:44] <piofcube> Anyone recommend a linux distro suited for low def displays?
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> how low def
[16:44] <piofcube> SD TV
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> text mode.. most distros have a text-only install option :)
[16:45] <_inc> Gentoo :)
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> _inc: awww
[16:45] <piofcube> It's for my media streamer tutorials. Would like to have a couple of distros to show
[16:45] <_inc> piofcube: elaborate on your intentions?
[16:46] <ukscone> piofcube: don't use linux use cp/m or lynxdos
[16:46] <piofcube> LOL... last time I used cp/m it was through a Merlin dumb terminal ;-)
[16:47] <ukscone> boy not heard the merlin mentioned in years
[16:47] <ukscone> :)
[16:47] <piofcube> :-)
[16:48] <ukscone> anyone ever use vm/cms hpo (in my case on an ibm 4381)
[16:48] <_inc> ok, im trying to create this solution:
[16:48] <_inc> if network has no other users
[16:49] <_inc> full torrents ahead
[16:49] <_inc> else
[16:49] <_inc> no torrents
[16:49] <_inc> how would one detect other users without admin to the router?
[16:50] <ukscone> network terminals off if no users?
[16:50] <ukscone> i.e. would a ping fail?
[16:51] <_inc> then i'd have to ping everything in the range?
[16:51] <ukscone> yup 254 pings :)
[16:51] <ukscone> well 252
[16:51] <piofcube> You could sniff the ethernet for usage.
[16:52] <_inc> what about that multiccast thing i see on my file browser?
[16:52] <ukscone> do a speedtest if you get full speed you can use it
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[16:52] <ukscone> this is something QoS would normally be used for
[16:52] <ukscone> give torrents low priority
[16:53] <_inc> I cant tamper with the router
[16:53] <ukscone> but with no admin access on the router
[16:53] <_inc> i dont own it, the landlord has the same router for 3 of his flats
[16:53] <_inc> and the other tenants are idiots
[16:53] <_inc> they are so trigger happy on resetting the router
[16:53] <piofcube> could you use something like iptraf to check for high numbers of packets over the LAN?
[16:55] <ukscone> could try to hack the router and put a backdoor in
[16:55] <_inc> hmmm
[16:56] <_inc> I already have login to the router, its just nothing i do will matter due to the heavy traffic shaping from ISP
[16:57] <ukscone> if you don't abuse it noone will notice -- i have admin on al the wifi'd routers near me because of the idiots who try to swamp channels
[16:57] <_inc> if I QoS bittorrent, the other tennants bullshit to the landlord that the internet isnt working
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> _inc: shrink your buffers :)
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> _inc: http://www.bufferbloat.net/
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[17:00] <_inc> i was thinking more like hire contracts on the other tenants heads
[17:01] <_inc> If the girl upstairs cant get her bulgarian IPTV, then she goes nuts
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> ...
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[17:03] <_inc> constant streaming on an 8mb connection, yet they complain that we are the problem with the internet :P
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[17:04] <MartijnVdS> _inc: Time to prove it with SCIENCE
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[17:06] <_inc> I did with traffic graphs and DHCP tables, the lanlord shrugged
[17:08] <_inc> oh well, im 39% on ukscones VM. Stick it to the man!
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[17:10] <_inc> ukscone: how did you generate that fancy QR code?
[17:12] <ukscone> _inc: on a website -- forget which but if you really want it i'll check my history
[17:13] <ukscone> i'll check my history anyway
[17:13] <_inc> :)
[17:13] <ukscone> http://en.unitag.fr/qrcode
[17:14] <ukscone> used the free options
[17:14] <ukscone> as i only wanted the basics
[17:16] <_inc> ukscone: cheers
[17:17] <ukscone> you're welcome
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[17:57] <_inc> there you go, another router reset for no reason
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> _inc: "the router is shit" is also a reason
[17:58] <_inc> its a draytek of some denomination
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> Exactly.
[17:59] <_inc> one of the laptops is still using an 802.11b card, it was probably her who reset it
[17:59] <haltdef> :O
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> Time to move out man
[17:59] <haltdef> most of the craptops here are single stream 802.11n :/
[18:00] <haltdef> barely any faster than G
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> but at least it won't hurt multistream n clients as much as g
[18:00] <_inc> when i move out I will move to a land where the internet is not held together by tape
[18:01] <_inc> likely back to Cardiff or London
[18:01] <haltdef> are you hosting interner for roommates or something?
[18:01] <haltdef> internet
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Netherlands \o/
[18:01] <_inc> haltdef: Landlord provides internet for 3 different flats in this building
[18:02] <_inc> including mine
[18:02] <haltdef> absolute cheapest residential ip available I guess?
[18:02] <haltdef> isp
[18:02] <haltdef> spazhands today
[18:02] <_inc> yup
[18:02] <haltdef> fun
[18:02] <_inc> ADSL only town
[18:02] <_inc> and only one phoneline for the building
[18:02] <haltdef> are you not allowed your own line?
[18:03] <_inc> the line being used is the line for my flat
[18:04] <_inc> if I use it for my own ISP then the others will need to have lines installed
[18:04] <_inc> the landlord is herpderp and it wouldnt be allowed
[18:04] <haltdef> landlords shouldn't be allowed to do that tbh
[18:05] <haltdef> also, can't you get a second line?
[18:05] <haltdef> BT here allow an infinite amount as long as you pay :P
[18:05] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[18:05] <_inc> theres a housing crisis in this town for students, so I didn't have much choice
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> Thorn_: it gets delayed a week every time you ask, so no.
[18:05] * _inc slaps Thorn_
[18:06] <Thorn_> well then it's gonna be a long wait since i've been asking since august
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> Thorn_: so it's all YOUR fault!
[18:06] * Thorn_ runs
[18:21] <ukscone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/571 coolio
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/
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[18:28] <haltdef> I'm curious how it deals with non-h264 formats
[18:28] <haltdef> also interlaced h264
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> not well, I guess
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> interlaced might work
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[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Even more news: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/574
[18:41] <mrDragons> I think it'll be fine, the video streamer device "roku"
[18:41] <mrDragons> or something like that uses the same chipset doesn't it?
[18:41] <mrDragons> Accidentally hit enter. :P
[18:42] <mrDragons> Excuse me, I need to clean up the immediate space around me after reading that.
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[18:46] <mrDragons> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/574
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[18:50] <vgrade> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[18:52] <Thorn_> http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio
[18:52] <Thorn_> achievements for visual studio..
[18:52] <Thorn_> wtf ?
[18:55] <mrDragons> lol
[18:55] <koaschten> so what am i missing about xbmc being awesome at showing 1080p at 7fps on the raspberrypi?
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[18:57] <mrDragons> The fact you can buy a towel and toys that sound like they came from hell at the same price
[18:57] <mrDragons> *or
[18:58] <feep> koaschten: xmbc can't use video accel, afaik
[18:58] <feep> (yet)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> feep: sure it can
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> it uses libavcodec/ffmpeg which can
[18:58] <feep> well, not the one of the razpi
[18:58] <feep> apparently
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Hm
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> That sounds reasonable
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> you'd need libva or vdpau support for that
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Video is framebuffer atm, so that would probably need to be fixed too? I don't know how X and libva interact these days
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[19:01] <sightlight> hello
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:01] <mrDragons> Hola sightlight
[19:01] <sightlight> hi
[19:02] <sightlight> anyone making a laptop with the raspberrypi?
[19:02] <Thorn_> yes
[19:02] <sightlight> getting the Pi inside the laptop?
[19:02] <mrDragons> Potentially, using some woodworking skills I picked up
[19:02] <Thorn_> ... no going to bluetack it to the outside oO
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> Well if you're up to creating your own laptop case
[19:03] <sightlight> I have a case
[19:03] <haltdef> you're not still thinking about destroying your netbook to stick a 10 times slower raspi in the case are you
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> you could fit an awful lot of battery in there
[19:03] <sightlight> I draw the schematic and all
[19:03] <Thorn_> lol
[19:03] <sightlight> i NEED ADAPTERS
[19:03] <sightlight> caps off
[19:05] <mrDragons> I'm still trying to lay it out, and decide whether it's worth prioritizing over all the other projects i have planned for ir.
[19:05] <mrDragons> it*
[19:05] <sightlight> touchpad,sdcard,vga,LAN,USB,Audio,LCD Screen,builtin Cam, mic.
[19:05] <haltdef> oh god he still is
[19:05] <haltdef> :(
[19:05] <haltdef> sd, vga, lan, usb, audio are most likely all soldered directly to the mainboard
[19:05] <mrDragons> I no rite. D:
[19:06] <Thorn_> whyyyy
[19:06] <haltdef> he reckons the raspi will be faster than an atom
[19:06] <Thorn_> why not just find some old binned laptop at your local landfill
[19:06] <haltdef> and the videocore will be faster than the gma500
[19:07] <Thorn_> well the videocore actually might be i think
[19:07] <Thorn_> but the atom will run rings around the arm
[19:07] <haltdef> possible, but he wants to use it as a gaming machine
[19:07] <Thorn_> hahaha
[19:07] <mrDragons> Yeah...
[19:07] <haltdef> the far, far slower cpu and ram makes it a stupid idea
[19:07] <sightlight> I might use a laptop from "action pawn"
[19:07] <sightlight> we'll see
[19:07] <haltdef> I think he's running it with linux too so no accelerated gma500
[19:08] <sightlight> yes.
[19:08] <haltdef> here's a solution
[19:08] <haltdef> install windows
[19:08] <mrDragons> Hmm? I thought the intel graphics had acceleartion support on linux?
[19:08] <sightlight> Hey, I might use another case..
[19:08] <haltdef> yeah, gma500 is the exception
[19:08] <haltdef> outsourced everything
[19:08] <mrDragons> Ah. well it is pretty old...
[19:09] <sightlight> I need the adapters.
[19:09] <sightlight> keyboard and all
[19:09] <haltdef> my UMPC has it, supports aero and 1080p h264 .. though my umpc only has a 600p screen without video out
[19:09] <mrDragons> I have a feeling mine's going to end up more practical...
[19:09] <Thorn_> :D
[19:09] <sightlight> anyone have Ideas?
[19:10] <haltdef> how are you planning on connecting the keyboard and touchpad?
[19:10] <sightlight> yes
[19:10] <mrDragons> lol
[19:10] <sightlight> THats what I want to know
[19:10] <haltdef> it wasn't a yes or no question
[19:10] <haltdef> I see
[19:10] <Thorn_> what interface is standard for keyb and touch in laptops?
[19:10] <Thorn_> (i've never actually looked :D)
[19:10] <sightlight> its different
[19:10] <haltdef> me either
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[19:11] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[19:11] <haltdef> wonder if the raspi's kernel fork will be integrated into the official kernel at some point
[19:12] <IT_Sean> 'ello!
[19:12] <haltdef> sup
[19:12] <sightlight> (BTW: we'll have a lot of batery time)
[19:12] <sightlight> not only 3 :)
[19:12] <haltdef> oh there's a thought
[19:12] * IT_Sean woke up to this this morning: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8605/snowproblem.jpg
[19:12] <haltdef> how are you planning on powering the lcd and backlight?
[19:12] <Thorn_> with electricity
[19:13] <IT_Sean> ha
[19:13] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:13] <Thorn_> with the existing circuitry, isn't it around ~60V that's needed for the backlight?
[19:13] <IT_Sean> Thorn_, where do you plan on sourcing the electrons needed to power said parts?
[19:13] <sightlight> I think I need to desing a board to power things like a power supply
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[19:14] <haltdef> have you considered buying a proper laptop?
[19:14] <haltdef> not a netbook, not a raspi in a netbook's case but a proper laptop?
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[19:14] <sightlight> no
[19:14] <mrDragons> Heh
[19:14] <haltdef> why not
[19:14] <sightlight> a bran new laptop is lie
[19:14] <sightlight> 400
[19:14] <sightlight> no
[19:15] <haltdef> mine was a grand
[19:15] <sightlight> I was to raspberrypi corps myself
[19:15] <sightlight> :P
[19:15] <haltdef> what?
[19:15] <sightlight> want*
[19:15] <sightlight> I want to do this, not buy a product. I like to do things like this
[19:15] <haltdef> a raspi will be cheaper, yea .. if you don't value your time and are happy with not being guaranteed anything usable at the end
[19:15] <sightlight> plus I like it.
[19:15] <sightlight> really.
[19:16] <Thorn_> yeah, gutting your netbook shows you take this way too seriously :(
[19:16] <Thorn_> swap your netbook for an empty laptop case from the 80s? :P
[19:16] <IT_Sean> YES!
[19:16] <sightlight> wont need to
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Buy an old broken laptop from way back when, and use that
[19:16] <IT_Sean> it would be so much cooler
[19:16] <Thorn_> buy?
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Buy.
[19:16] <Thorn_> just go to the local dump/tip
[19:16] <Thorn_> that's what i intend to do
[19:17] <mrDragons> I don't even know where mine is. D:
[19:17] <sightlight> how can we connect the touchpad,keyboard and LCD?
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Follow the smell of dead hookers and trash
[19:17] <mrDragons> Ah
[19:17] <sightlight> 1366x768
[19:17] <mrDragons> Solder them together
[19:17] <Thorn_> lcd will be lvds, so you'll need an interface
[19:17] <Thorn_> no idea on the other two
[19:18] <Thorn_> IT_Sean: there are no local hookers at the dump here, they put barbed wire round the fence
[19:18] <sightlight> I know there are discution about this on the forum but i dont know
[19:18] <Thorn_> doesn't stop us jumping it though ;p
[19:18] <IT_Sean> Thorn_, barbwire, aye? Is that to keep the dead hookers in?
[19:18] <sightlight> cant find the
[19:19] <Thorn_> haha
[19:19] <mrDragons> A resistive touchscreen should be doable by the GPIO pins, but you'd need some drivers to handle the input
[19:19] <mrDragons> Oh, touchpad, nevermind
[19:20] <sightlight> touchpad->mouse?
[19:20] <sightlight> the square thing to put the finger
[19:20] <mrDragons> Likely still doable through the gpio though
[19:20] <sightlight> the mouse?
[19:21] <sightlight> mouse and keyboard thru GPIO?
[19:21] <IT_Sean> If it's a modern enough laptop, the keyboard & trackpad are probably USB
[19:21] <Thorn_> really?
[19:21] <mrDragons> If you mean using an existing keyboard and mouse using not supported interfaces on the pi, then yes
[19:21] <Thorn_> that makes things alot easier
[19:21] <IT_Sean> Thorn_, yup
[19:21] <IT_Sean> My 9 year odl laptop's keyobard is USB. The trackapd isn't, but the keyboard is.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> *old
[19:22] <mrDragons> Nice
[19:22] <sightlight> if it is usb, we wont want to use the existing usb interfaces
[19:22] <mrDragons> Why in god's name not? 0_o
[19:22] <sightlight> but we wong have opstion
[19:22] <sightlight> i understan
[19:22] <sightlight> d
[19:23] <Thorn_> i'm pretty sure basic usb over gpio is no biggie
[19:23] <Thorn_> but still, why bother
[19:23] <Thorn_> 2x usb on a model b
[19:23] <Thorn_> 1x split between the internal trackpad/keyb
[19:23] <Thorn_> leaves you 1 for external use
[19:23] <Thorn_> need more ports? use a hub/split it
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[19:25] <sightlight> you are right.
[19:26] <sightlight> soldering the LVDS?
[19:26] <koaschten> just use a thin 4port split hub
[19:26] <koaschten> strip case from case
[19:27] <mrDragons> I think there's been a bit of talk on the forums about converting hdmi to lvds
[19:28] <sightlight> HDMI or LVDS?
[19:28] <sightlight> i mean
[19:28] <sightlight> HDMI or DVI?
[19:29] <mrDragons> LVDS, I know dvi is possible through a simple adapter
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[19:32] <plasmab> really.. has anyone tried chocolate dipped in bacon?
[19:32] <mrDragons> Nah
[19:32] <mrDragons> sn't sound that good tbh
[19:33] <mrDragons> doen't*
[19:33] <mrDragons> doesn't
[19:33] <mrDragons> rying to type with one hand and it's not working
[19:33] <sightlight> brb
[19:35] <sightlight> back
[19:36] <plasmab> mrDragons, easier than typing with boxing gloves on
[19:36] <mrDragons> Or typing with no hands
[19:38] <sightlight> DVI to lvds is availible but cant find HDMI to LVDS
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: Have a look at HDMI to DVI
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: it's (also?) electrically compatible
[19:40] <sightlight> i know they are similar
[19:41] <Thorn_> someone round here was making a hdmi->lvds extension board
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[19:41] <Thorn_> but it's more expensive than the pi iirc
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[19:42] <sightlight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/DVI-HDMI-Adapter.jpg wanst it TNT?
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[19:42] <sightlight> the guy tnt
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[19:46] <sightlight> adding the pi to my schematic.
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[19:47] <_inc> ukscone: download complete. seeding :)
[19:48] <sightlight> what is the pi iirc?
[19:49] <mrDragons> _inc: whatcha torrentin'?
[19:49] <_inc> mrDragons: http://russelldavis.org/category/raspberrypi-2/
[19:50] <mrDragons> What kind of vm is it?
[19:51] <mrDragons> Like virtual box, vmware, qemu?
[19:52] <sightlight> qemu rns on the pi i think
[19:54] <sightlight> is the RCA always displaying what in the HDMI??
[19:54] <ukscone> _inc: thnx
[19:55] <ukscone> mrDragons: it's a virtualbox vm containing scratchbox2 which is lua+qemu+arm toolchain+rootfs seed (fedora13)
[19:55] <mrDragons> Awesome. ^_^
[19:56] <sightlight> WHAT IS THE PI IIRC?
[19:56] <sightlight> caps off
[19:56] <ukscone> mrDragons: basically instead of typing ./configure && make && make install you type sb2 ./configure && make
[19:56] <ukscone> sb2 -eR make install
[19:57] <ukscone> and you are done unless you need to change anything to make it run on arm like signedness or assembler
[19:57] <mrDragons> Ok cool
[19:58] <ukscone> of course you do need a real raspi for some stuff but this covers most of the need
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[19:59] <ukscone> i should add a stand alone qemu emulation as well for graphics stuff
[19:59] <obarthelemy> hello
[19:59] <ukscone> yay obarthelemy has returned
[19:59] <ukscone> i thought he'd decided our feet smell too much to come and visit us in here
[19:59] <obarthelemy> the --dev channel has clsed.
[20:00] <obarthelemy> ...
[20:00] <ukscone> has it? i'm in there and saw you enter too
[20:01] <ukscone> obarthelemy: hows the new apartment holding up? still liking it?
[20:02] <sightlight> hi hi hi obar
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[20:04] <obarthelemy> i'll try agan
[20:06] <sightlight> hey
[20:08] <sightlight> im scan my hand made schematic
[20:09] <haltdef> make schematics all you want, it's not going to work in any useful way
[20:09] <haltdef> sorry
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[20:10] <_inc> schematic for what?
[20:10] <_inc> your netbook project?
[20:11] <sightlight> yes
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[20:14] <sightlight> if I can play xonotic with this it will be a blast
[20:14] <_inc> portable power?
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[20:16] <sightlight> 'what?
[20:17] <_inc> how will it be powered?
[20:18] <sightlight> well
[20:18] <sightlight> the pi wants 5 volts
[20:18] <sightlight> i might desing a board with resitoros
[20:18] <sightlight> resistors
[20:18] <sightlight> but cut the power from 12 volt to 5 volt
[20:18] <sightlight> DC
[20:19] <_inc> from what source?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> bicycle?
[20:20] <sightlight> yea
[20:20] <sightlight> at the same time
[20:20] <sightlight> the board could be used as a power supply
[20:20] <sightlight> all I have to do it get a board at radioshack
[20:21] <sightlight> only if we could get a board that could all this for us..
[20:22] <_inc> ok, so you're pulling apart a machine perfectly capable of running Xonotic, and putting in a Raspberry Pi (which is less capable than your current machine) in hopes that it could run Xonotic?
[20:23] <sightlight> my netbook it 2 years old and there isnt gpu drivers for ubuntu as of 10.04
[20:24] <sightlight> and 10.04's are 3d
[20:24] <sightlight> just 2d
[20:24] <sightlight> i've made my desition, if something Ill get another case at action pawn.
[20:25] <_inc> so you are doing this because you cant find the drivers in the official repository?
[20:25] <haltdef> USE WINDOWS
[20:25] <haltdef> good lord
[20:25] <mrDragons> Ew
[20:25] <mrDragons> Worst advice ever
[20:25] <haltdef> no useful gpu drivers for linux, and he wants to game
[20:26] <mrDragons> On a netbook, which is incapable of decent gaming in the first place
[20:26] <haltdef> it'd happily run the low end games he's after if there were drivers
[20:26] <haltdef> also, the netbook's gonna suck at gaming, what's a raspi gonna be like? :P
[20:27] <zwrench> While Linux does have some cool games (Introversion Software comes to mind) Windows is far better at gaming
[20:27] <sightlight> and the raspberrypi will be extreme high activity on drivers and update
[20:27] <haltdef> it's still only got 256MB ram and a slow arm11 cpu
[20:27] <_inc> sightlight: sound logic..
[20:27] <haltdef> your netbook kicks its ass in every way, you're just insisting on using an OS not fit for purpose
[20:28] <sightlight> Im not going to pirate a copy of windows and use windows ILLEGALY.
[20:28] <sightlight> NO.
[20:28] <haltdef> on hardware that's not fit for purpose
[20:28] <haltdef> it came with a copy of windows
[20:28] <mrDragons> The OS is fine...
[20:28] <haltdef> it would be if there were graphics drivers
[20:28] <sightlight> yea but all this if erased
[20:28] <mrDragons> The drivers != OS
[20:28] <haltdef> not the fault of the OS but it makes it unusable all the same
[20:29] <_inc> ok, this dude must be a troll :)
[20:29] <haltdef> can't be sure, people can be pretty stupid
[20:30] <mrDragons> lol
[20:31] <_inc> 2 potential demographics:
[20:31] <_inc> A person you can't help because they can't help themselves
[20:31] <sightlight> WOW
[20:31] <_inc> or
[20:32] <_inc> troll
[20:32] <sightlight> thanks for treatin me that way
[20:32] <haltdef> where did you get the idea that a raspi is faster than your netbook?
[20:33] <zwrench> Raspi is cool, but it's not designed to be a high power computer
[20:33] <sightlight> its not
[20:33] <sightlight> i know
[20:33] <sightlight> but
[20:33] <sightlight> no drivers
[20:33] <sightlight> doesnt work
[20:33] <sightlight> just windows
[20:33] <sightlight> NO windows.l
[20:34] <zwrench> why would you want a driver for a giant operating system that would just slow it down beyond belief
[20:34] <zwrench> even ubuntu is iffy and ubuntu is far more efficient than windows
[20:34] <haltdef> he wants to play games
[20:34] <haltdef> no useful drivers for his gpu
[20:34] <_inc> in the official ubuntu repo...
[20:34] <_inc> there are other sources
[20:35] <haltdef> unless something's changed gma500 support is next to useless for 3d
[20:35] <zwrench> Raspi is about as far from a gaming machine as you can get
[20:35] <zwrench> it can run doom, which is cool, but that's about it
[20:35] <sightlight> runs quake full speed
[20:35] <zwrench> cool, just be happy with that
[20:35] <sightlight> im interested
[20:35] <sightlight> my netbook?
[20:35] <sightlight> doesnt
[20:36] <haltdef> quake is ancient, uses a tiny amount of ram
[20:36] <haltdef> anything heavier .. good luck
[20:36] <sightlight> lets just drop what my motherboard can do
[20:36] <haltdef> you *will* be disappointed
[20:36] <mrDragons> Qauke 3 ran on the original pentium
[20:36] <sightlight> ok
[20:36] <haltdef> just try out games on the raspi before you gut your netbook
[20:36] <_inc> sightlight: just because it runs quake, dont expect it to run OSS games based on the quake engine. Those games have much higher requirements
[20:37] <sightlight> ok
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[20:37] <sightlight> I understand wine will not run on the PI.not trying to crysis 2 thru wine..
[20:37] <rm> it will run OpenArena
[20:37] <sightlight> exacly
[20:38] <sightlight> ope arena
[20:38] <rm> but what's the story there with porting Quake 3 to GLES?
[20:38] <sightlight> lots of baterry
[20:38] <rm> OA will need to do the same
[20:38] <rm> good thing it's almost exactly the same, engine-wise
[20:38] <mrDragons> OA runs on the nokia n900, does that use GLES?
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[20:39] <feep> if it's a mobile phone, it uses gles
[20:39] <rm> yes, it should
[20:39] <feep> fairly certain
[20:40] <feep> hey, new people here
[20:40] <feep> let me reask this! :D
[20:40] <mrDragons> ?what
[20:40] <answerbot> undefined
[20:40] <mrDragons> derp
[20:40] <mrDragons> What?
[20:40] <feep> site loading
[20:40] <feep> moment
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[20:40] <feep> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/c3j534t?context=3
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[20:41] <rm> feep, no one knows
[20:41] <feep> :(
[20:41] <rm> supposedly there are those libraries somewhere
[20:41] <ukscone> ugh oh well, i still hit the automated dropbox account suspension limit but at least a few ppl managed to get it to seed first.
[20:41] <rm> why they aren't on the base system the beta guy got... are they Free Software...
[20:41] <ukscone> need to improve the initial setup and seeding i think
[20:41] <rm> try posting in the forums
[20:41] <rm> about that
[20:41] <feep> will wait for an answer, then try
[20:42] <zwrench> Hopefully the raspi will start shipping before february
[20:42] <_inc> ukscone: i lost contact with my seedbox. dyndns client died :(
[20:42] <answerbot> undefined
[20:43] <ukscone> _inc: ugh oh well i think there are a couple of other seeds
[20:43] <feep> yeah privmsg doesn't work
[20:43] <ukscone> probably 3 or 4 which would make about 8 to 10 gig initially from db
[20:43] <_inc> ukscone: im seeding with my 256k up :)
[20:44] <zwrench> wait, seeding what?
[20:44] <ukscone> zwrench: http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/20/new-raspberry-pi-development-vm-v0-2/
[20:51] <ukscone> yup looks like 8 peopel seeding so it should be fine that the db one is suspended
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[20:54] <sightlight> snap
[20:55] <sightlight> after making a whole post with image that took me like 10 15 mins... error establishing conection
[20:55] <sightlight> gone gone gone
[20:55] <sightlight> :((((
[20:55] <sightlight> >>>:(((
[20:56] <_inc> hang in there fella
[20:56] <sightlight> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi#p32609
[20:56] <sightlight> there it is
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[20:58] <_inc> sightlight: how old are you, may i ask?
[20:58] <haltdef> has to be a student
[20:58] <sightlight> 19
[20:58] <_inc> haltdef: I'm a student
[20:58] <sightlight> graduated
[20:59] <haltdef> unemployed?
[20:59] <sightlight> no
[20:59] <haltdef> :o
[20:59] <_inc> sightlight: how is this interfacing with the keybord?
[20:59] <_inc> * keyboard
[20:59] <sightlight> GPIO
[20:59] <sightlight> no?
[21:00] <_inc> there more to it than just plugging it in
[21:00] <sightlight> I know
[21:00] <sightlight> i dont know how to do that
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[21:03] <_inc> reverse engineering, chap :)
[21:03] <sightlight> what do you mean
[21:03] <_inc> or wait and see if anyone else here does exactly the same as you intend and works out all the kinks for you
[21:04] <sightlight> there might but i think I will go in a coupole
[21:04] <sightlight> hey
[21:04] <_inc> you're much better off in the short term using the Pi as its own machine, then when you learn how to do things see if you still feel like gutting a fine netbook
[21:05] <sightlight> I think my netbook has a SATA HD
[21:05] <sightlight> I think I can use ir
[21:05] <sightlight> it
[21:05] <_inc> with a usb interface, sure
[21:06] <sightlight> will it drain a lot of batterry power?
[21:06] <_inc> none more than it already did..
[21:06] <haltdef> how are you going to connect the battery? how are you going to charge it?
[21:06] <sightlight> yes
[21:06] <sightlight> rechargeable baterry
[21:07] <haltdef> not a yes/no question..
[21:07] <_inc> yes
[21:07] <haltdef> all of the charging circuitry is part of the netbook, whch you're gutting
[21:07] <sightlight> what do you mean?
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[21:08] <PiBot> ukscone| hand over the twiglets
[21:08] <haltdef> not sure how else I can say it
[21:09] <_inc> sightlight: basically, haltdef is expressing concern that your plan has a lot of kinks to work out (which you dont seem to notice). There are a lot of things you havent thought through properly and really, people in this channel are just trying to tell you that you need to think of this a lot more. At this rate you ARE going to kill a laptop for no good reason.
[21:10] <sightlight> its not hard
[21:10] <haltdef> and yourself if you start messing with charging without the proper circuitry provided by the netbook's mainboard
[21:10] <sightlight> i know the precaution I need to take
[21:11] <sightlight> and i will think on this a lot more as you say
[21:11] <_inc> sightlight: this channel is full of people who work with these things every day. They have chosen careers in this field.
[21:11] <_inc> don't shoot down their advice so easily
[21:11] <sightlight> Yes.
[21:12] <sightlight> I still need to desing a power supply
[21:12] <sightlight> that gets its power from the batter
[21:12] <sightlight> there is one of the most important things
[21:13] <sightlight> a lot of capasitors
[21:13] <sightlight> and stabilising the current
[21:13] <sightlight> head over load
[21:14] <sightlight> ..
[21:14] <sightlight> ect
[21:15] <zwrench> Don't blame Rasberrypi if you fry your laptop
[21:15] <haltdef> when*
[21:15] <sightlight> hahaha
[21:15] <sightlight> yea
[21:15] <sightlight> for the power supply
[21:15] <sightlight> how many pixels X and Y?
[21:16] <sightlight> 20?
[21:16] <haltdef> huh?
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[21:16] <haltdef> power supplies exist in meatspace so are not made up of pixels
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[21:16] <sightlight> how many meespace?
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[21:16] <sightlight> half you know electronics?
[21:17] <haltdef> not in the slightest, how about you? :P
[21:17] * PiBot is now known as DaQatz
[21:18] <sightlight> I got an electronic learning lab from radioshack a couple month ago
[21:18] <haltdef> ah, you're set then
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[21:20] <sightlight> I probably have all I need for that kit
[21:21] <sightlight> bubut I still wanna radioshack
[21:21] <sightlight> dont wanna waste the parts
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[21:26] <_inc> so yea
[21:26] <_inc> hows the weather treating you, chaps?
[21:27] <zwrench> http://www.linuxcoin.co.uk/ Do you think Raspi would be a good dedicated encrypted bitcoin wallet?
[21:28] <_inc> don't you need a crazy amount of GPU power to generate bitcoins at a half good rate?
[21:29] <zwrench> not to mine bitcoin but to store them
[21:30] <zwrench> A few people have batted around the idea of connecting FPGAs to Raspi's to generate bitcoin
[21:32] <DaQatz> An rpi could work as BTC wallet fine.
[21:32] <DaQatz> Especially if you kept it off the network most of time.
[21:32] <DaQatz> To protect your coins.
[21:32] <zwrench> Do you think Linuxcoin would be the best OS or Debian?
[21:33] <DaQatz> Does linuxcoin support arm?
[21:33] <DaQatz> Personally I would use Deb and just install the bitcoin stuff in after.
[21:33] <zwrench> OK, thanks
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[21:38] <sightlight> im drawing the power supply
[21:38] <sightlight> i need power for the LVDS
[21:38] <sightlight> HD
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[21:38] <sightlight> i need to take time to draw this
[21:38] <sightlight> anyway
[21:38] <sightlight> ill come back later
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[21:39] <mrdragons> Oh wait before you go can I see the chem
[21:39] <mrdragons> dammit
[21:39] <haltdef> not sure how making pretty diagrams will help but he seems happy doing it
[21:39] <haltdef> feel bad for that poor netbook :(
[21:39] <mrdragons> Yeah. :\
[21:40] <_inc> its his only machine apparently
[21:40] <haltdef> hopefully he realises it's a stupid idea before doing any damage
[21:41] <zwrench> hopefully he has the money to buy a new machine after he breaks his current one
[21:41] <hamitron> only machine?
[21:41] <hamitron> :|
[21:41] <haltdef> someone with money's first thought would be "hm, this thing sucks for my games, I'm gonna buy something better"
[21:41] <zwrench> I wasn't sure if he was a troll at the beginning. I don't know how I should feel about this
[21:41] <haltdef> someone without money would think "bugger, this sucks for games, not much I can do"
[21:42] <haltdef> someone insane with no money puts a $35 machine in a $200 netbook
[21:42] <haltdef> :P
[21:42] <haltdef> I thought troll at first too but he's always coming back
[21:42] <_inc> i like his drawings
[21:42] <hamitron> a persistant troll?
[21:42] <hamitron> ;)
[21:42] <_inc> reminds me of me when i was 8
[21:42] <amazoph_> is it bad that i want to see him go through with it?
[21:43] <amazoph_> just for the inevitable failure
[21:43] <hamitron> I hope he gets it working tbh
[21:43] <hamitron> I'd feel bad otherwise
[21:43] <hamitron> :/
[21:43] <_inc> amazoph_: nope. I want it photo documented and blogged at every stage
[21:43] <amazoph_> working is good. trashing a perfectly fine pc on the other hand, :/
[21:43] <hamitron> plenty of people do it
[21:44] <hamitron> overclock cpu till they melt for fun, etc
[21:44] <hamitron> I hate to see that and waste myself
[21:44] <zwrench> the last stage will never be blogged, because he won't have a computer to submit it with :/
[21:44] <_inc> it's just one overly-engineered way of solving a simple problem: install the drivers from elsewhere
[21:44] <mrdragons> Have you seen the perfectly fine computers people throw out?
[21:44] <mrdragons> :\
[21:44] <amazoph_> apart from the point where it's his only machine
[21:44] <hamitron> mrdragons, I collect them ;)
[21:44] <mrdragons> Heh, I have to start doing that, being poor and all. :P
[21:44] <haltdef> _inc, I'm pretty sure the performance of the gma500 even with drivers is poor for 3d stuff
[21:45] * hamitron has 23 comps
[21:45] <mrdragons> Lol
[21:45] <haltdef> I'd test it but my umpc runs windows
[21:45] <hamitron> mrdragons, must admit, I intend to throw away a few..... if you need some to start a collection ;)
[21:45] <amazoph_> haltdef: hah. i seem to be starting something similar
[21:45] <mrdragons> What country do you live in?
[21:45] <hamitron> UK
[21:45] <_inc> haltdef: its capable at standrd 3d with no effects.
[21:45] <mrdragons> Nah, too far.
[21:45] <amazoph_> only have about 6 atm
[21:46] <hamitron> I did actually try giving some to a few charities..... and they said they weren't good enough :/
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[21:46] <hamitron> both were for Africa
[21:46] <mrdragons> Even charities wouldn't take them? <_<
[21:47] <hamitron> indeed, they wanted min spec of 1.6ghz at the time..... when my main machine I personally used was only 1.2ghz
[21:47] <amazoph_> older hardware can be more bother to maintain given who they send them to
[21:47] <hamitron> :/
[21:47] <hamitron> this was a long time ago
[21:47] <mrdragons> Pfft, clock count doesn't mean a lot
[21:48] <hamitron> it was before core2 were out
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[21:48] <hamitron> so i felt 1.6ghz was just greedy
[21:48] * amazoph_ has a 700mhz amd around somewhere. that thing can still run server 2003.
[21:48] <mrdragons> You can buy 2.8ghz pentium 4, which just by that logic should be faster than an i3
[21:49] <hamitron> mrdragons, 3ghz p4 was the fastest normal cpu at the time
[21:49] <hamitron> :)
[21:49] <mrdragons> Exactly. :P
[21:49] <hamitron> and a p3 cpu was not good enough for a charity to give to africa
[21:49] <hamitron> so I kept them for myself
[21:49] <hamitron> :D
[21:50] <mrdragons> Well, at least if he messes up his current machine he can scrap another one
[21:50] <mrdragons> He seems to have the drive
[21:50] <hamitron> hehe, true
[21:50] <mrdragons> Just a bit... misguided
[21:51] <hamitron> so long as he doesn't fry his pi, still has a comp anyway
[21:51] <amazoph_> true. but no screen, if the netbook is in bits :P
[21:52] <haltdef> he'll probably try stuff out on the pi before killing the netbook
[21:52] <hamitron> I was hoping he'd have a tv :/
[21:52] <_inc> he watches tv on his netbook
[21:52] <_inc> :P
[21:52] <hamitron> oh noes :(
[21:52] <amazoph_> on another topic, any guesses on how fast the first 10k pi's will vanish?
[21:53] <hamitron> 10k?
[21:53] <amazoph_> i'm guessing <6 hours if the site doesn't crash.
[21:53] <haltdef> I don't think it'll be that quick
[21:53] <haltdef> 2-3 days maybe
[21:53] <hamitron> well, I'm not rushing to get one
[21:53] <hamitron> I'll let the desperate kids in first
[21:53] <hamitron> ;)
[21:54] <hamitron> I've been "given" a limit of 20 comps, and have 23..... so buying a pi won't go down well
[21:54] <hamitron> even if it is really good value
[21:54] <hamitron> :)
[21:55] <hamitron> I do fancy having an ARM based machine though :/
[21:56] <Thorn_> just about small enough to put inside my arm
[21:56] <Thorn_> just need to generate 5v from my blood stream
[21:56] <Thorn_> #augmentations
[21:56] <amazoph_> have a smartphone? chances are it's ARM based.
[21:56] <Thorn_> can finally have a schriebmann port \o/
[21:56] <amazoph_> if it's Android, then you can actually use the linux shell there.
[21:57] <mrdragons> I heard the human brain could power a lightbulb, so you might be in luck
[21:57] <Thorn_> we generate enough power to drive an artic lorry 2 miles or something silly like that
[21:57] <Thorn_> per day
[21:58] <hamitron> amazoph_, I have no mobile phone
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[21:58] <amazoph_> :(
[21:58] <hamitron> I decided to get rid
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[21:58] <Laurenceb_> hi
[21:58] <amazoph_> evening
[21:58] <hamitron> people only phone you and bug ya
[21:58] <hamitron> ;)
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> just reading github
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[21:59] <Laurenceb_> am i right is saying i2c and spi hardware doesnt yet have register definitions from boradcom?
[21:59] <Thorn_> boratcom
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> *broadcom
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[22:04] <PiBot> Please excuse joins and parts. Work is being done on the bot.
[22:04] <Thorn_> gay
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[22:07] <mrdragons> Just ftr, that's not mine or feeb's bot. >_>
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[22:09] <mrdragons> Would you mind testing on another channel?
[22:09] <mrdragons> Like #bots?
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[22:26] <caver> everyone seen the Pi / XMBC demo?
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[22:42] <mrdragons> Please, /join #bots
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[22:44] <sightlight> hi
[22:44] <hamitron> mrdragons, nothing much happening in there
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[22:44] <hamitron> ;)
[22:45] <sightlight> im going to radioshack to by a clean PCB
[22:45] <sightlight> :)
[22:45] <sightlight> for the power supply
[22:45] <sightlight> hoping it doesnt generate much heat'
[22:46] <sightlight> HRD converter
[22:47] <hamitron> clean PCB?
[22:47] <mrdragons> hamitron: I know, but still, there's a channel open almost purely for bot testing. :P
[22:48] <hamitron> mrdragons, sorry, I couldn't resist :D
[22:49] <sightlight> emphy PCB
[22:49] <sightlight> anyway
[22:49] <sightlight> bye guys
[22:49] <sightlight> ill post pics
[22:49] <hamitron> laters
[22:49] <hamitron> :)
[22:49] <hamitron> think I may grab coffee and sort some "broken" devices out, ready to fix
[22:49] <hamitron> brb
[22:52] <mrdragons> Sounds good
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[23:08] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[23:34] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi
[23:34] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi - Main Raspberry PI chat room.
[23:34] <DaQatz> !channel
[23:34] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev
[23:35] <mrdragons> !channel?
[23:35] <mrdragons> !channel
[23:35] <PiBot> mrdragons: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev
[23:35] <mrdragons> !pibot
[23:38] <DaQatz> !w
[23:38] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sun Jan 22 02:51:00 2012. Temp 20??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 68%, Later 22??F - 5??F. Condition: Snow.
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[23:46] <Laurenceb_> rapeberry pi
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[23:47] <mrdragons> Heh, "Leaving"
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[23:51] <Thorn_> !w dunfermline
[23:51] <PiBot> Thorn_: in Dunfermline, Fife on Sat Jan 21 21:50:00 2012. Temp 41??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 81%, Later 45??F - 39??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[23:55] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
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