#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-22

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[0:02] * sightlight (b807373f@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #raspberrypi
[0:03] <sightlight> hi all
[0:04] <mrdragons> Heeyo
[0:05] <sightlight> i got to clean PCBS
[0:06] <sightlight> and some resistors
[0:06] <sightlight> and LED for voltage
[0:06] <haltdef> I am begging you
[0:06] <haltdef> please do not hurt that poor netbook
[0:07] <sightlight> i said before, I've made my desition
[0:07] <haltdef> :(
[0:07] * hamitron is with haltdef on this
[0:07] <haltdef> at least make sure the raspi will do what you want first
[0:07] <mrdragons> Don't do it mayne
[0:07] <sightlight> oh
[0:07] <sightlight> yea
[0:08] <hamitron> yeh, and make sure you are able to reverse what you do
[0:08] <hamitron> :)
[0:08] <sightlight> I wont proceed until I look at the rasp first
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[0:08] * mrdragons sighs in relief
[0:08] <haltdef> also, does anyone happen to know if compiling against uclibc would reduce ram usage?
[0:08] <hamitron> personally, I'd get a cheap touch screen kit off ebay
[0:08] <hamitron> it will
[0:09] <hamitron> glibc is a beast
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[0:09] <haltdef> ZNC on my x86 gentoo install uses 46MB, the znc binary in openwrt's repos uses uclibc .. hoping it'll be significantly lower
[0:09] <haltdef> router only has 64MB
[0:09] <mrdragons> Yeah, one of the initial criticism of GNU C anything was that it was massive at the time
[0:09] <mrdragons> Still is, but meh
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[0:10] <haltdef> guess I'll have to try it
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[0:10] <hamitron> I know linuxfromscratch is actually dragging more dependencies in, due to GNU software
[0:10] <hamitron> that is, more with each version
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[0:10] <zwrench> What is the cheapest usb wifi stick that is compatible with the raspberry pi
[0:11] <hamitron> I've found it rather annoying
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[0:11] <zwrench> what's wrong with the PiBot?
[0:12] <hamitron> if I had the time, would have looked into busybox and uclibc more
[0:12] <haltdef> router uses busybox
[0:12] <hamitron> same haltdef, but I mean for more than just a router
[0:12] <hamitron> :)
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[0:14] <hamitron> zwrench, I'd wait till release to get detailed info like that
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[0:18] <sightlight> hi
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[0:18] <sightlight> My computer shut down
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[0:18] <sightlight> uploading PCB pic
[0:18] <zwrench> how dependant are you on this computer for work purposes?
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[0:20] <sightlight> http://imageshack.us/f/710/40450228367007287191595.jpg/
[0:20] <sightlight> I use this computer for nothing but waste time
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, what are you doing exactly?
[0:21] <sightlight> making a power supply
[0:22] <sightlight> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and you know what you're doing?
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like it will cost you more than a new netbook....
[0:24] <sightlight> no
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> but interesting nonetheless
[0:25] <hamitron> what I find amusing.... I personally haven't convinced myself to buy a netbook to use, nevermind rip apart
[0:25] <hamitron> ;)
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course... netbooks are useless.
[0:27] <hamitron> I fancied getting one to take with me, and play win95 games
[0:27] <hamitron> :D
[0:27] <hamitron> even researched which ones had win98 drivers
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> but he'll fiddle with GPIO and make a power supply. If he doesn't electrocute himself, he'll learn a fair bit, so that's more valuable than the netbook he'll waste.
[0:27] <hamitron> "just in case" I decided to try that
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> did you find any?
[0:28] <hamitron> yeh, I'd personally buy seperate parts, but if it is going spare..... :)
[0:28] <sightlight> im my case
[0:28] <sightlight> GPIO doesnt have anything to do together
[0:28] <sightlight> GPIO and power supply nothing....
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> GPIO doesn't have anything to do together, but sentences should make sense.
[0:30] <sightlight> can we have a litle bit of positivity? im working on this as we speak. trying to do things with this PCB i got :)
[0:30] <ShiftPlusOne> never!
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> (no, I support what you're doing, but I will make fun of you a little bit, just because what you're doing is a bit silly)
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[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I especially like the idea of using gpio for the mouse and keyboard, since it will free up 1 or 2 usb ports
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> (if you can get that working)
[0:34] <DaQatz> gpio mouse and keyboard. Sounds excessive.
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> but educational
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[0:35] <DaQatz> sightlight, if you know what you're doing. You connect ALMOST anything via gpio.
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Theoretically, sure. It will take some work. You'll need to hack the hardware a little and write some code to make it work.
[0:36] <DaQatz> Yeah simple drivers
[0:36] <DaQatz> For X and or kernel
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[0:42] <_inc> sightlight is either a troll or he is really stubborn
[0:43] <_inc> working on a pcb?
[0:43] <_inc> breadboard maybe but i doubt a pcb
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> a stripboard
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, technically a pcb
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[0:44] <_inc> everything he is going seems to be things that would get under a software developers/electrical engineers skin
[0:44] <sightlight> my conection droped?
[0:44] <_inc> its a longcon
[0:45] <_inc> uber troll
[0:46] <sightlight> im not trolong
[0:46] <sightlight> im working actully.....................
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, welcome back. _inc was just bitching behind your back, don't worry.
[0:46] <sightlight> haha
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[0:47] <_inc> :)
[0:47] <_inc> you are not 'trolong'?
[0:48] <sightlight> i know eben upton is very hard to reach. please be patient with me.
[0:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ....O_o
[0:48] <ShiftPlusOne> why do you need Eben?
[0:49] <sightlight> the president of the foundation.
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[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> 'Why do you need...' not 'Who is...'
[0:49] <mrdragons> lol
[0:50] <_inc> ShiftPlusOne: and now you are getting trolled
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> _inc, yeah, I am starting to suspect it too.
[0:53] <sightlight> how much volt does an LCD drains?
[0:53] <_inc> 10v
[0:53] <_inc> always 10
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> what _inc is actually saying is read your datasheets.
[0:54] <hamitron> can I advise you sightlight, get the pi and try making some "simple" single addons first
[0:54] <hamitron> :/
[0:54] <_inc> yea, but read them after trying 10v
[0:57] <_inc> or get a multimeter
[0:57] <_inc> infact, always get a multimeter for this kind of work
[0:57] <ReggieUK> can I suggest you get an arduino, then it'll only be $3-4 to replace a chip when you blow it
[0:57] <_inc> and rubber sole shoes
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and an oscilloscope
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and a logic analyzer
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[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and a lab power supply
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and anti-static mats
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and... ok, I don't have anything else around.
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[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a lot of feeps
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[1:02] <_inc> ShiftPlusOne: Flux Capacitor?
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[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[1:03] <mrdragons> ?feebbot
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh, I just remembered I got an fpga dev board... time to play around with it.
[1:03] <hamitron> what kind?
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> cyclone ii
[1:04] <hamitron> :D
[1:04] <feep> ;load qa
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[1:04] <feep> ;load qa
[1:04] <answerbot> Defined []
[1:04] <hamitron> I'm tempted with the de0-nano atm
[1:04] <mrdragons> ;unload qa
[1:04] <answerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[1:04] <mrdragons> lol
[1:04] <feep> >_>
[1:04] <feep> ;load qa
[1:04] <answerbot> Defined []
[1:05] <hamitron> so much irc bot stuff /o\
[1:05] <mrdragons> Mine's not on here anymore because it sucks
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, I was tempted by that one as well, considering they had the student discount and all that, but ended up going with some cheap ebay one
[1:05] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, I can't get student discount unfortunately
[1:05] <hamitron> :/
[1:06] <hamitron> was too skint when I was a student
[1:06] <hamitron> but still good value
[1:06] <hamitron> the lower spec ones look as much fun though :)
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[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> any suggestions on how to get started?
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> quartus tutorials?
[1:08] <sightlight> this keeps desco me
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[1:08] <mrdragons> I might bring it back after a couple mods to prevent talkbot from overtalking...
[1:08] <sightlight> brown,black,red,gold
[1:08] <sightlight> 1,000
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[1:09] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, I was made to create simple blocks, when I was taught
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> using what?
[1:09] <sightlight> does tht mean one volt?
[1:09] <hamitron> simulating existing circuits I already knew
[1:10] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, I moved from a Sun Microsystems lab, so it felt familiar
[1:10] <hamitron> and I learnt that from lecture notes
[1:10] <hamitron> so dunno
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[1:10] <hamitron> I guess altera will offer some basic stuff
[1:10] <hamitron> to learn from
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[1:11] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, didnt the board off ebay come with some examples?
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[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I am trying to find the listing... I bought it ages ago, it was just sitting in a box all this time
[1:12] <sightlight_> 1,000 mean 1 volt?
[1:12] <hamitron> ah
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[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> 1000 what?
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[1:12] <hamitron> sightlight_, 1000mV would be 1V
[1:13] <sightlight_> ?
[1:13] <sightlight_> how can I know the Vm
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, careful, I think he might be talking about a resistor value.
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[1:14] <sightlight_> yes
[1:14] <sightlight_> resitor value
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[1:14] <hamitron> for what?
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing... he just picked up a resistor to make a power supply with
[1:14] <sightlight_> i need one volt level each resistor
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight_, have you considered learning a bit about electronics first?
[1:15] <sightlight_> resistors
[1:15] <sightlight_> at radioshack
[1:15] <sightlight_> I have a electronic learning lab
[1:15] <sightlight_> just
[1:15] <sightlight_> havent used it in a while
[1:15] <hamitron> I'd advise you to use a ready build power supply
[1:15] <hamitron> built*
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe grab a book.... The Art of Electronics is great.
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[1:16] <sightlight_> I just need to know the volt resistors
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> that makes no sense
[1:16] <sightlight_> i know how to do the rest I think.
[1:17] <sightlight_> 1,000k
[1:17] <sightlight_> is not a volt?
[1:17] <hamitron> it isn't
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a number
[1:17] <hamitron> it is ohms
[1:17] <sightlight_> how many ohm is a volt?
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> V=IR
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> R=V/I
[1:18] <sightlight_>
[1:19] <hamitron> and remember sightlight_, all this can change as the pi or device you are powering does different things
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> How many dollars is a minute?
[1:19] <sightlight_> 60,000
[1:19] <EiNSTeiN_> depends on the hooker
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[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, exactly
[1:19] <sightlight_> right?
[1:19] <hamitron> I was thinking the same
[1:19] <hamitron> haha
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> so it will depend on the current
[1:20] <_inc> It begins with "T" and ends with "roll"...
[1:20] <sightlight_> 12volt
[1:20] <sightlight_> wow this is hard
[1:20] <sightlight_> lol
[1:20] <sightlight_> brb
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne> it is only hard if you're guessing
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne> you can't guess together a power supply without any knowledge
[1:20] <hamitron> or watching blue movies
[1:20] <hamitron> ;/
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[1:21] <hamitron> someone asked how long it would take for all the pi to sell...... I wonder what percentage of the pi boards will still work after 1 month? ;)
[1:22] <sightlight_>
[1:22] <EiNSTeiN_> i'm gessing it has a relation to the number of people who try to make their own power supplies
[1:23] <hamitron> well done EiNSTeiN_
[1:23] <hamitron> :D
[1:23] <sightlight_> i got a volt meditor
[1:23] <wiiguy> you think they will break eassily ? > i will just use my phone charger :p
[1:24] <hamitron> imo, computer "like" devices won't stand up to abuse of the damn right silly kind
[1:25] <hamitron> so best to not start learning the basics on such things
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[1:25] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[1:25] <hamitron> as someone said, the arduino costs less to replace
[1:26] <hamitron> ;)
[1:26] <sightlight_>
[1:26] <hamitron> although, I'm a fan of the traditional breadboarding learning, for beginners
[1:26] <hamitron> but maybe that is just me showing my age
[1:26] <hamitron> ;)
[1:26] <_inc> volt midichlorians?
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, +1000
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I was introduced to logic on a breadboard and that was the first time I felt like I was learning something useful at uni.
[1:28] <sightlight_>
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight_, missing a few words there
[1:28] <hamitron> I still have bad dreams of building an amp from transistors to a given specs
[1:28] <hamitron> haha
[1:28] <sightlight_> this voltage
[1:28] <sightlight_> reader
[1:29] <sightlight_> what is the volt siign>
[1:29] <hamitron> multimeter?
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a start
[1:29] <sightlight_> ?
[1:29] <sightlight_> V~
[1:29] <hamitron> V
[1:29] <sightlight_> V-
[1:29] <sightlight_> 300VM?
[1:29] <hamitron> V~ is for alternating current
[1:29] <sightlight_> there is not V alone
[1:29] <hamitron> other for direct current, normally
[1:29] <sightlight_> V---
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> but please don't use mains voltage!
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> don't go near mains voltage!
[1:30] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, ++
[1:30] <sightlight_> iknow i can fry this
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[1:30] <hamitron> you can fry yourself
[1:30] <hamitron> ;/
[1:30] <hamitron> so don't touch the mains, seriously
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, it's yourself you should be worried about
[1:30] <sightlight_> i have a 5 volt transformer
[1:30] <sightlight_> to the resistor
[1:31] <sightlight_> how can i know the current in volts?
[1:31] <sightlight_> please help me a bit
[1:31] <hamitron> there is no such things
[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ........current is measured in Amps
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[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Voltage is measured in volts
[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Resistance is measure in ohms
[1:31] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law
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[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> V(voltage)=I(current)*R(resistance)
[1:32] <sightlight_> I need to know the volts this is ready
[1:32] <sightlight_> V-- or v~?
[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what the hell you're doing
[1:33] <sightlight_> i have a 5volt transformer
[1:33] <hamitron> what kind?
[1:33] <sightlight_> 1,000
[1:33] <sightlight_> and i want to see how much it drops with one resistor
[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> it doesn't work that way
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the raspberry pi will draw a varrying amount of current
[1:34] <sightlight_> brown,black,red
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> which will change how much voltage is used by the resistor
[1:34] <sightlight_> how can i screw this voltage reader?
[1:35] <sightlight_> i dont want to screw it
[1:35] <sightlight_> but the max I have is 5 volt 450mah
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> what you're doing will lead you to screw the multimeter
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> and yourself
[1:35] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne... let him zap the crap out of himself. He'll learn a valuable lesson
[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, that's my reasoning too
[1:36] <sightlight_> serisly?
[1:36] <sightlight_> wow
[1:36] <IT_Sean> yup
[1:36] <sightlight_> negative.
[1:36] <hamitron> I'd advise you to learn the basics with a small battery
[1:36] <hamitron> ;/
[1:37] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne, what was he planning on doing?
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... and don't forget that mains voltage is AC... so you're hooking up a transformer and a resistort to make a DC power supply?
[1:37] <IT_Sean> oooh... yeah, don't muck about with mains voltage if you don't know what you are doing.
[1:37] <sightlight_> nvm
[1:38] <sightlight_> thank you for not helping me a bit here
[1:38] <hamitron> we are
[1:38] <IT_Sean> we ARE helping you.
[1:38] <hamitron> you are still alive
[1:38] <hamitron> :/
[1:38] <IT_Sean> We are helping you not shock the fuck out of yourself.
[1:39] <sightlight_> it wont kill me.
[1:39] <sightlight_> 5volt will shock me.
[1:39] <IT_Sean> mains voltage can be nasty. If you screw up, best case scenario is you hear a loud bang, you get knocked back a few feet, and you have to clean the fecal matter out of your trousers. Worst case, it kills you.
[1:39] <hamitron> sightlight_, get yourself a breadboard, battery, pack of resistors, led, and some wire
[1:39] <hamitron> or some beginners kit
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[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight_, can you draw a schematic of your power supply design?
[1:40] <EiNSTeiN_> I'd advise people to wait until sightlight_ is sober before helping him.
[1:40] <sightlight_> what i want to do will just limit 12volt current
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> again... voltage is not a measure of current
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[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and from what I gather, this is his power supply design: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/failPSU.png
[1:41] <hamitron> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELECTRONICS-STARTER-KIT-EVERYTHING-YOU-NEED-GET-STARTED-ELECTRONICS-/120838870590?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1c228ed63e#ht_694wt_952
[1:41] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, no diodes?
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> from what he said so far, that's it.
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> no rectifier, no regulation, no nothing.
[1:42] <hamitron> well, I suppose he hasn't said if the transformer is AC to AC or AC to DC
[1:42] <hamitron> :/
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[1:43] <sightlight> that made me LOL loaddddddddddddddddd.
[1:44] <sightlight> 240
[1:44] <sightlight> wow
[1:44] <sightlight> 4 wolts
[1:44] <sightlight> volts
[1:44] <sightlight> ..
[1:44] <sightlight> 5*
[1:44] <DaQatz> http://www.openbookproject.net/electricCircuits/
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[1:45] <_inc> sightlight_: if you are serious about this, you should write a blog or continue your forum post. write a work journal on what you intend to do and leave it for people to critue your work. If you are not a troll and you genuinely need help, it would be best for you
[1:45] <DaQatz> lol
[1:45] <hamitron> _inc, agreed
[1:46] <sightlight> i can take a picture
[1:46] <sightlight> :)
[1:46] <_inc> reminds me of Iron Man 2.. "I can make salute"
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, design your power supply first... draw a schematic diagram, show your workings, specify the part numbers and only then can anyone help you.
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[1:47] <hamitron> sightlight, how old are you, and what level of training do you have? just interested
[1:47] <_inc> hamitron: 19, and hes graduated
[1:47] <_inc> (from earlier encounters)
[1:47] <DaQatz> Never to late to learn electronics.
[1:48] <hamitron> not saying it is too late to learn
[1:48] <hamitron> :)
[1:48] <sightlight>
[1:48] <DaQatz>
[1:48] <_inc>
[1:48] <sightlight> hold up
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne>
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> never too late, but you can't skip the 'learn' and just go straight to electronics.
[1:48] <hamitron> exactly ShiftPlusOne
[1:48] <IT_Sean> well... you can... but, it is not recommended :p
[1:48] <piofcube> Sorry... I turned up late to this party but I did bring pretzels... erm... LOL
[1:48] * IT_Sean noms pretzels
[1:48] <hamitron> but I got an issue now.... how I type a line with no text? ;)
[1:49] <_inc> how do i resistor?
[1:49] <DaQatz> _inc, ask ohm
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> _inc, 1000
[1:49] <sightlight> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407978_2837142459762_1595264811_32498607_531039264_n.jpg
[1:49] <hamitron> _inc, lookup the French in history :D
[1:49] <sightlight> can you guys see that?
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> epic trollface
[1:49] <_inc> :D
[1:49] <sightlight> ah
[1:50] * hamitron is gonna have nightmares
[1:50] <hamitron> ;)
[1:50] <hamitron> I can't see a transformer
[1:50] <hamitron> :/
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[1:50] <_inc> ok, so this is evidence enough that sightlight is on a massive trollfest
[1:50] <sightlight> ok
[1:51] <IT_Sean> don't feed the troll.
[1:51] <sightlight> ima use brown,black,red resitors
[1:51] <sightlight> ..
[1:51] <DaQatz> ...
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> a part of me still thinks he's genuine
[1:51] <_inc> cool
[1:51] <IT_Sean> ...
[1:51] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, same, it worries me
[1:51] <hamitron> haha
[1:51] <_inc> sightlight: livestream your work
[1:51] <sightlight> ahaha
[1:51] <sightlight> dont have acam
[1:51] <sightlight> cam
[1:51] <hamitron> I dont have fast enough internet to watch him kill himself :/
[1:52] <_inc> hang on, he is bulshitting
[1:52] <_inc> if the netbook is your only machine, then what the hell is that on your desk?
[1:52] <IT_Sean> I do!
[1:52] <sightlight> no
[1:52] <DaQatz> sightlight, Live stream yourself making a induction foundry.
[1:52] <sightlight> it my other one
[1:53] <_inc> yea ok mate
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[1:54] <sightlight> its my other computer
[1:54] <sightlight> im in a diferent place.
[1:54] <hamitron> the worst thing.... this has actually got me thinking about how is best to make a laptop from the pi
[1:54] <hamitron> :/
[1:54] <hamitron> I really don't need MORE projects
[1:54] <hamitron> :D
[1:54] <DaQatz> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=0&mode=product&product=7703686
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[1:56] <hamitron> DaQatz, nice
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[1:56] <sightlight>
[1:56] <hamitron> that is more the sort of thing I'd look at for the screen, tbh
[1:57] <sightlight> im solder 1000k resistors
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[1:57] <_inc> cool bro
[1:57] <sightlight> and distribute the power as the power decreses from the levels
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[1:57] <ReggieUK> I suggest your first project is soldering those resistors to your tongue and other sensitive parts of your body (I will not be held responsible if you die etc.)
[1:58] <_inc> then ride the kick up through the levels
[1:58] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, no use well charged capacitors.
[1:59] <_inc> DaQatz: I thought the tongue-test was the industry standard for testing live?
[1:59] <ReggieUK> DaQatz, no they're for project 2
[1:59] <DaQatz> Ah
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[2:00] <ReggieUK> huzzah
[2:00] <hamitron> hehe
[2:00] <hamitron> need to stop pasting links to nice parts :/
[2:00] <ReggieUK> wow I made it through some trolling without telling someone to FO
[2:01] <hamitron> this is just torture
[2:01] * hamitron gives ReggieUK a sticky badge
[2:01] * ReggieUK hands himself a cookie
[2:01] <ukscone> ReggieUK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAPwnYFdDPU&feature=youtu.be
[2:01] <ReggieUK> stick your badge up your arse :D
[2:01] <hamitron> :/
[2:01] <ReggieUK> I has cookie
[2:01] <ReggieUK> ;)
[2:01] * IT_Sean noms ReggieUK's cookie
[2:01] <ukscone> ReggieUK: watch it buster i'm itching to ban someone
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[2:02] <hamitron> I have youtube blocked :/
[2:02] <hamitron> is it good? :)
[2:03] <ukscone> hamitron: you have to be old enough and also british to "enjoy" it
[2:03] <_inc> the term "tripping balls" springs to mind
[2:03] <hamitron> ukscone, I am british :/
[2:03] <ReggieUK> acid fur
[2:04] <ukscone> hamitron: and > 40ish ?
[2:04] <ReggieUK> I had the record but not the album
[2:04] <hamitron> not that old
[2:04] <hamitron> :)
[2:04] <hamitron> "just" 29 ;/
[2:04] <ukscone> ok you are underage get out of this channel now whippersnapper
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ...the fuuu?
[2:04] <hamitron> haha
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[2:05] * IT_Sean makes a mental note to not mention his age
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[2:05] <_inc> I just about remember 'Max Headroom". Do I pass?
[2:05] <hamitron> couldn't stay away :/ love it so much
[2:06] <ReggieUK> actually, we should've been able to tell you were from the uk
[2:06] <ReggieUK> or iran
[2:06] <hamitron> why iran?
[2:06] <ReggieUK> @just.screw-the.eu
[2:06] <hamitron> ah :)
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[2:07] <piofcube> I hope he finds it again.
[2:08] * IT_Sean gives a 9 year old laptop battery to ukscone, knowing that he would somehow find a use for it
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[2:09] <IT_Sean> oh, not bloody talkBot again :/
[2:09] <DaQatz> Does it have a use?
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[2:09] <IT_Sean> well... it's a battery.
[2:09] <mrdragons> Crap, sorry, wrong channel
[2:09] <ukscone> IT_Sean: i'd find someone to beat with it
[2:09] <mrdragons> It's not as bad nao, I promise
[2:09] <mrdragons> kill talkbot
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[2:10] <IT_Sean> ukscone: i'd be good for that. it's heavy.
[2:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I miss sightlight =(
[2:11] <ukscone> brb need to dish up dinner for the masses
[2:11] <ukscone> otherwise they'll revolt
[2:11] <ukscone> as i haven't fed them all day
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[2:26] <ukscone> i still don't know how the hell it could power it but picked up some things that take a li-on double a and claims it can charge an ipod (classic not touch or phone)
[2:26] <ukscone> some pripritory chip apparently but nah no way
[2:26] <IT_Sean> ukscone: think you could use this as a weapon? :p http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9507/dscn2374w.jpg
[2:28] <ukscone> yeeah
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[2:28] <ukscone> drop it from the 13th floor
[2:29] <ukscone> leave a nasty dent on their heads
[2:29] <IT_Sean> it is a lithium ion battery, too... so, you could short it out and grenade it :p
[2:29] <ukscone> :)
[2:29] <ukscone> lots of nice sharp plastic fragments too
[2:30] <IT_Sean> until i get around to dropping it at an ewaste recycler, it's a paperweight that turns on some green LEDs when you press a button. :p
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[2:35] <sightlight>
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[2:36] <IT_Sean> ....
[2:36] <mrdragons> He's fine now, promise.
[2:36] <IT_Sean> talkBot... bugger off.
[2:37] <IT_Sean> we'll see.
[2:37] <mrdragons> will it run windows?
[2:37] <mrdragons> will it run windows, talkbot?
[2:37] <talkBot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[2:37] <mrdragons> you have to address him in your question now.
[2:38] <IT_Sean> okay. good.
[2:38] <sightlight>
[2:38] <IT_Sean> are you a complete knob head, talkBot?
[2:38] <sightlight> so
[2:38] <sightlight> yea
[2:38] <sightlight> im tired
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> adsjkl;jfdsfjkl;a, talkbot?
[2:38] <IT_Sean> :\
[2:38] <sightlight> just going to do some gaming
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> useless
[2:38] <sightlight> and gonna go to bed
[2:38] <sightlight> huh?
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> mrdragons, fix your bot
[2:38] <mrdragons> It's not in his qoutes, thus, won't say anything
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[2:39] <mrdragons> talkbot, remember are you a complete knob head=No I am not, you are, {nick}
[2:39] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[2:39] <IT_Sean> mrdragons... he's supposed to answer in the affirmitive!
[2:39] <mrdragons> Are you a complete knob head, talkbot?
[2:39] <talkBot> no i am not, you are, mrdragons
[2:40] <piofcube> You mean talkbot isn't wired up to wiki and can't return results in the form of an answer? bah... no good ;-)
[2:41] <mrdragons> Not yet. That's a good suggestion though!
[2:42] <hamitron> :)
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[2:47] <_inc> all answers should go to http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[2:47] <_inc> job done
[2:50] <mrdragons> Will copy-pasta, getting static FAQs from a page every time a request is made isn't effiecient
[2:51] <_inc> +v everyone. if someone blatently hasnt read the faq, link said faq and -v culprit for 24hours
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[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> _inc, yes, mein fuhrer.
[2:58] <_inc> :)
[2:59] <_inc> you wait. it wont be long now until this channel will be flooded with newbs. this channel will be a huge troll/spamfest
[3:01] <Tobias|> Oh, that hasn't already happened?
[3:01] <Tobias|> I thought the ludicrous number of bots and the like had already made this a spamfest :p
[3:02] <mrdragons> It's just 3 bots. :P
[3:02] <_inc> they were apparently the solution to the spam
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[3:02] <hamitron> hehe
[3:02] <Tobias|> with everybody this side of the sun poking and prodding them? :p
[3:03] <mrdragons> Me and feeb thought we'd make a bot to help out some newcomers, so people wouldn't have to answer the same questions over and over
[3:03] <mrdragons> That's why they're here. :{
[3:03] <mrdragons> :{P
[3:04] <_inc> so it begins...
[3:04] <hamitron> hmmm
[3:04] <_inc> will it run windows?
[3:04] <hamitron> I missed the troll returning?
[3:04] <_inc> then all the bots answer
[3:04] <_inc> then noob write a novels worth of conversation to the bots
[3:05] <Tobias|> but I want a 2500k on my r-pi D:
[3:05] <Tobias|> I'm sure you could do it with it still costing under $25
[3:05] <hamitron> :)
[3:06] <Tobias|> Anybody here have plans to run their r-pi on a battery?
[3:06] <hamitron> maybe
[3:06] <Tobias|> Genuinely interested in that
[3:07] <_inc> I've got a Macbook Pro battery free :)
[3:07] <hamitron> still not sure if I can be bothered
[3:07] <hamitron> _inc, we could take the screen and case tooo.........
[3:07] <hamitron> ;)
[3:08] <_inc> its effectively a write-off, but only the motherboard and keyboard suffered any real damage
[3:09] <_inc> hell, it's only just occured to me to put the Pi in the dead Macbook
[3:09] <Tobias|> o_o
[3:09] <_inc> that would be funny I guess
[3:09] <hamitron> awwww, you could
[3:09] <hamitron> :D
[3:09] <hamitron> and if you don't spam too much, could convinced some people you decided it was worth the "upgrade"
[3:09] <hamitron> ;)
[3:10] <hamitron> convince*
[3:12] <_inc> :)
[3:13] <hamitron> worst thing I'm finding with the pi, and other toys like this
[3:13] <hamitron> can't think of a practical use, that it would be better than what I already have
[3:13] <hamitron> I have 4 spare boards with VIA C3 cpu on
[3:14] <_inc> Well mine will be a file dropbox for my tv and hifi. People can just chuck a file on the Pi and have it played on whatever
[3:14] <hamitron> so you have a use
[3:15] <hamitron> :)
[3:15] <hamitron> best I can think of, is building a small comp to hack on
[3:15] <hamitron> but realistically, building a comp from a part already made, is not at all cool
[3:15] <hamitron> using a FPGA to do it would be more so
[3:15] <hamitron> :)
[3:16] <Tobias|> hamitron, put it in your car and install Prey Project on it
[3:16] <hamitron> have no car
[3:16] <hamitron> :/
[3:16] <_inc> hamitron: that is such a sweet idea
[3:16] <_inc> i mean
[3:16] <_inc> Tobias|: that is such a sweet idea
[3:17] <Tobias|> Definitely :p
[3:17] <_inc> how would the data plan work? interface with a 3g phone?
[3:17] <Tobias|> Prey project can automatically connect to local unsecure wifi networks
[3:18] <Tobias|> Though I have a few old prepaid 3G dongles laying around
[3:18] <_inc> where I am they can become few and far between (outside of a city)
[3:18] <_inc> 3g dongles, of course...
[3:18] <hamitron> thinking about it, a 3G signal is too _inc
[3:18] <hamitron> ;)
[3:19] <_inc> this is true
[3:20] <Tobias|> Prey Project can also work with a webcam
[3:20] <Tobias|> For me, this seems like a reasonably simple/awesome project to implement :p
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[3:21] <hamitron> certainly easier than a laptop
[3:21] <hamitron> ;)
[3:21] <hamitron> it is a device with a very fixed function/use
[3:21] <hamitron> so easier to make sure you have everything needed
[3:22] <Tobias|> well, that's until my car starts being a wifi hotspot/repeater
[3:22] <Tobias|> and things start evolving
[3:23] <hamitron> tbh, I just like getting on the road, on my bike.... no phone and nobody bothering me
[3:23] <hamitron> :)
[3:24] <Tobias|> That's why I favour the idea of a hotspot
[3:24] <Tobias|> I don't have a phone :p
[3:25] <hamitron> :)
[3:25] <hamitron> anyways
[3:25] <hamitron> I better sleep
[3:25] <Tobias|> Good night
[3:25] <hamitron> nn all :)
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[3:57] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[3:59] <pygo> that's hawt
[4:00] <pygo> and by hawt, I mean I want rpi production updates
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[4:01] <PiBot> ukscone| no i am british we are used to summer just being the third wednesday in august
[4:02] <pygo> PiBot: you sissy, come to Canada. We get winter 10 months of the year
[4:05] <DaQatz> pygo, I'm in Maine. We have it very similar.
[4:06] <ukscone> DaQatz: you also have crabs :)
[4:07] <DaQatz> crabs?
[4:07] <ukscone> lobsters and crabs :)
[4:07] <DaQatz> Maine has them i guess. we're not known for them though.
[4:07] <DaQatz> Lobster is tourist food.
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[4:09] <pygo> lol
[4:09] <pygo> I can get crabs in Vancouver Island
[4:09] <pygo> and clams
[4:09] <pygo> don't like clams much though
[4:09] <ukscone> pygo: but you can't get twiglets and ribena
[4:09] <pygo> I have never heard of those before
[4:10] <ukscone> actually lots of asians there so you might be able to get ribena
[4:10] <pygo> so, yes, we can;t
[4:10] <ukscone> ?twiglets
[4:10] <answerbot> twiglets = Twiglets are crisp wheat-based snacks with a "distinctive knobbly shape" similar to that of a small twig, originating in the United Kingdom. The taste of Twiglets derives from the yeast extract used in its coating, and has been compared to that of Marmite. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiglets
[4:10] <pygo> yeah. I bet we could. imported but still
[4:10] <ukscone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribena
[4:10] <pygo> oh, maybe I have had it before. once
[4:10] <pygo> I think
[4:11] <ukscone> ribena on hot rice pudding is really good
[4:11] <pygo> ah. and yes. ribena as a drink. I saw it at a store recently
[4:11] <ReggieUK> ukscone, top of the pops is on bbc4
[4:11] <ReggieUK> 1977
[4:11] <ukscone> ReggieUK: it's also on bittorrent :)
[4:11] <ReggieUK> legs and co have just been on doing carwash
[4:11] <ReggieUK> awesome
[4:12] <ukscone> :) you prevert
[4:12] <ukscone> and legs and co were a poor facsimile of pans people
[4:12] <DaQatz> Twiglets don't sound that good.
[4:13] <ReggieUK> of course but they're still good to watch
[4:13] <ReggieUK> DaQatz, ur a philistine
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[4:13] <ReggieUK> how can you not think twiglets sound good?
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[4:13] <talkBot> current: no ur dumb.
[4:13] <talkBot> adams.freenode.net: no ur dumb.
[4:13] <talkBot> -: no ur dumb.
[4:13] <talkBot> adams.freenode.net: no ur dumb.
[4:13] <DaQatz> ...
[4:13] <DaQatz> Sigh a talkbot
[4:13] <ReggieUK> a twatbot
[4:13] <mrdragons> Fuck wrong channel again
[4:14] <ukscone> DaQatz: not liking rwiglets is a banning offense in this channel :)
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[4:14] <ReggieUK> indeed
[4:14] <ReggieUK> he should be made to drink horlicks by the gallon
[4:14] <ReggieUK> until he is sorry
[4:14] <mrdragons> :\
[4:14] <DaQatz> Have a Moxie
[4:14] <ReggieUK> lern2liekenglishsnax
[4:15] <mrdragons> Well sorry, I'm trying to make him less twat-ish.
[4:15] <DaQatz> !w
[4:15] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sun Jan 22 07:51:00 2012. Temp 12??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 73%, Later 22??F - 2??F. Condition: Snow.
[4:16] <sightlight> hi
[4:16] <DaQatz> 9 F actually
[4:17] <sightlight> hello
[4:17] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, did you hear something?
[4:18] <ReggieUK> nope
[4:19] <DaQatz> Ah ok, must have been my imagination.
[4:19] <ReggieUK> and on that note, I'm off to bed
[4:19] <DaQatz> Later.
[4:19] <ReggieUK> think it was dude
[4:19] <ReggieUK> cya all
[4:19] <ReggieUK> g'night ukscone
[4:19] <sightlight> bye
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[4:20] <sightlight> im searching of a program to build board pcb schematics
[4:21] <sightlight> gEDA seems nice program
[4:21] <DaQatz> QElectroTech works fine.
[4:21] <DaQatz> If you want to test circuit layouts use spice
[4:22] <sightlight> im see spice
[4:22] <sightlight> (ubuntu)
[4:22] <sightlight> there isnt spice for ubuntu
[4:25] <sightlight> yea
[4:25] <sightlight> no spice
[4:25] <DaQatz> Hmm
[4:25] <DaQatz> Odd
[4:25] <DaQatz> Well I have it in gentoo
[4:25] <sightlight> for ubuntu---software center
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[4:30] <mrdragons> Come back talkbot.
[4:30] <talkBot> I'ma back
[4:30] <mrdragons> I plan to use arch personally, but I may test gentoo
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[4:36] <sightlight> how can I erase resistors?
[4:36] <mrdragons> With moar volts and/or amps
[4:36] <sightlight> no
[4:37] <sightlight> on qurs
[4:37] <sightlight> schematic program
[4:37] <sightlight> but should be the same
[4:38] <mrdragons> Fack dis, I'm tired of making talkbot right now. What he is is what you got. :P
[4:38] <talkBot> mrdragons: no ur dumb.
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[4:39] <mrdragons> come back talkbot you asshole.
[4:39] <talkBot> I'ma back
[4:52] <sightlight> can the resistor be programed
[4:52] <sightlight> ?
[4:57] <mrdragons> I dunno, google it... That's what it's there for...
[5:09] <sightlight> how many ohms is k?
[5:09] <sightlight> same things?
[5:09] <mrdragons> k = kiloohm, likely
[5:10] <mrdragons> Do you know basic electronics? >_>
[5:11] <sightlight> i do but I failed at the resistors
[5:13] <Tobias|> Resistors are probably the first thing you'll learn in any form of electronics education
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[6:00] <pygo> wow over 100 people online on the forums right now. now I'm worried I won't get in on the first batch
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[6:02] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
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[6:15] <Jarred> The Raspberry PI is open source right?
[6:16] <Tobias|> Not at the moment at least, afaik
[6:17] <piofcube> Hardware and most firmware/drivers are not but that's usual. The software that can run on it just depends on what you decide to use.
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[6:22] <mrdragons> talkbot, remember is the raspberry pi open source=Hardware and most firmware drivers are not but that's usual. The software that can run on it just depends on what you decide to use.
[6:22] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:22] <mrdragons> Piofcube, what software would you recommend using?
[6:28] <Jarred> mrdragons: I'm not Piofcube but if you're familiar with Linux, I'd use Arch Linux
[6:28] <Jarred> It's an excellent Linux distrobution that I use for all non-gui stuff
[6:28] <mrdragons> I myself love arch, but it's not new-to-linux friendly in particular
[6:29] <Jarred> Yeah
[6:29] <piofcube> I'm not sure which I'll use for myself but I will be publishing tutorials demonstrating and comparing a wide range of them on the R-Pi
[6:29] <Jarred> Maybe Ubuntu XFCE would work?
[6:30] <piofcube> Any that have an ARM distro should work but I'd bet some will work better than others by quite a margin
[6:30] <mrdragons> Ubuntu is dropping support for <= arm 7 though, aren't they?
[6:30] <Jarred> I'm not sure
[6:30] <Jarred> Maybe Debian then
[6:30] <Jarred> Although Debian is a horrible Linux distrobution
[6:30] <Jarred> There'll probably be someone who rolls out a Raspberry Pi-centered Linux distrobution
[6:30] <piofcube> I'm drifting away from Ubuntu since v11
[6:31] <piofcube> Jarred: I think you'd be able to put money on that one ;-)
[6:32] <Jarred> Probably a derivitative of Edubuntu
[6:32] <Jarred> (or something like it)
[6:33] <Jarred> Raspberry Pi's will be purchasable within the next few weeks right?
[6:33] <mrdragons> If all goes well.
[6:33] <Tobias|> As far as I'm aware, yes. (also; my plan is to put debian on mine to start with)
[6:35] <ewan> I'm seeing one in the flesh tomorrow at SCALE10x
[6:35] <ewan> can't wait
[6:35] <mrdragons> talkbot, remember is the raspberry pi open source=Hardware and most firmware drivers are not but that's usual. The software that can run on it just depends on what you decide to use. Some distrobution of linux is highly recommended, and you should be able to find an official Raspberry Pi distro as soon as the board is for sale.
[6:35] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:36] <piofcube> scale10x is in LA... long way to go for a look :(
[6:37] <piofcube> talkbot what are the three laws?
[6:37] <mrdragons> talkbot, add trusted user "piofcube"
[6:37] <mrdragons> talkbot, add trusted nick "piofcube"
[6:37] <talkBot> User added successfully.
[6:37] <mrdragons> I don't remember them, you can add them if you want. :P
[6:38] <piofcube> lol
[6:38] <Jarred> talkbot, add trusted nick "jarred"
[6:38] <talkBot> I don't trust you. >_>
[6:38] <Jarred> damn
[6:39] <piofcube> can you use /n for a new line?
[6:40] <Jarred> It's \n
[6:40] <Tobias|> ^ :<
[6:40] <Jarred> and \r\n if you're on windows
[6:40] <mrdragons> I'm not sure actually
[6:40] <Jarred> '\n' is considered one character
[6:40] <Jarred> whereas '/n' is considered two
[6:40] <mrdragons> talkbot, remember testing a phrase = testing\r\nnewline
[6:40] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:40] <Jarred> So, no
[6:40] <Tobias|> What's testing a phrase
[6:40] <Tobias|> Aw :(
[6:40] <mrdragons> talkbot testing a phrase
[6:40] <talkBot> testing\r\nnewline
[6:40] <piofcube> I didn't want to use /n in case it messed up the IRC ;-)
[6:40] <piofcube> \n even**
[6:40] <Tobias|> <_<"
[6:41] <mrdragons> talkbot, remember testing a phrase = testing
[6:41] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:41] <mrdragons> newline
[6:41] <Jarred> IRC chat is escaped
[6:41] <mrdragons> Hmm
[6:41] <Jarred> (except for /)
[6:41] <Tobias|> \n wouldn't, piofcube, given it's quite obviously escaped :p
[6:41] <ewan> talkbot, arse.
[6:41] <talkBot> testing
[6:41] <Tobias|> / is only used locally
[6:41] <mrdragons> talkbot, forget testing a phrase
[6:41] * talkBot forgets that.
[6:42] <Tobias|> More important in the IRC protocol are colons, to be honest, but your client will escape those just fine, too :p
[6:42] <Jarred> ;
[6:42] <Tobias|> You're half a column short
[6:42] <Jarred> I don't know the IRC protocol at all
[6:42] <Tobias|> s/column/colon
[6:42] <mrdragons> Dat's a semicolon. :P
[6:42] <Jarred> Although I imagine it's an interesting one
[6:42] <Tobias|> It really isn't, Jarred :P
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[6:42] <Jarred> Oh
[6:43] <mrdragons> I'll have to add a newline escape in there, similar to how {nick} is done
[6:43] <piofcube> It's been about 18 years since I was really busy with IRC. Many things have escaped me since then LOL
[6:44] <Tobias|> talkBot, what's my nick?
[6:44] <Tobias|> :<
[6:44] <mrdragons> exec -o echo -e "talkbot: remember: is it out yet = \x01ACTION slaps {nick} \x01"
[6:44] <mrdragons> talkbot: remember: is it out yet = ACTION slaps {nick} 
[6:44] * Tobias| has been rejected by the bot, shuffles away
[6:44] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:44] <mrdragons> talkbot: remember what's my nick=You're nick is {nick}.
[6:44] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:44] <mrdragons> talkbot: remember what's my nick=Your nick is {nick}.
[6:44] <talkBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[6:45] <mrdragons> is it out yet?
[6:45] <mrdragons> is it out yet talkbot?
[6:49] <DaQatz> Y O Y is a talk bot in here?
[6:50] <PiBot> Bots are life.
[6:50] <mrdragons> ^^That one knows what he's talking about.
[6:51] <mrdragons> ?pie
[6:51] <answerbot> pie = http://allrecipes.com/recipe/raspberry-pie-iii/
[6:51] <mrdragons> ^_^
[6:52] <DaQatz> !w
[6:52] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sun Jan 22 08:51:00 2012. Temp 23??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 44%, Later 27??F - 18??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:52] <DaQatz> 23??
[6:52] <DaQatz> It's
[6:52] <DaQatz> 7
[6:53] <mrdragons> ?what is a raspberry pi?
[6:53] <answerbot> undefined
[6:53] <mrdragons> ?what is a raspberry pi
[6:53] <answerbot> undefined
[6:53] <mrdragons> ;load qa
[6:53] <answerbot> Defined []
[6:53] <mrdragons> ?what is a raspberry pi
[6:53] <answerbot> undefined
[6:53] <answerbot> undefined
[6:54] <mrdragons> ?set what is a raspberry pie=Cooler than you, that's what.
[6:54] <answerbot> undefined
[6:54] <answerbot> undefined
[6:54] <mrdragons> ?what is a raspberry pi
[6:54] <answerbot> undefined
[6:54] <answerbot> undefined
[6:54] <mrdragons> !set what is a raspberry pie=Cooler than you, that's what.
[6:54] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[6:54] <answerbot> Definition stored.
[6:54] <mrdragons> ?what is a raspberry pi
[6:54] <answerbot> what is a raspberry pie = Cooler than you, that's what.
[6:54] <answerbot> what is a raspberry pie = Cooler than you, that's what.
[6:55] <mrdragons> His bot appears to be having some errors. :P
[6:55] <mrdragons> ;unload qa
[6:55] <answerbot> 1 definitions removed.
[6:57] <atts> !w
[6:57] <PiBot> atts: in Waltham, MA on Sun Jan 22 09:23:00 2012. Temp 12??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 79%, Later 29??F - 22??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[7:27] <LiENUX> omg
[7:27] <LiENUX> if raspi launches on munday
[7:27] <LiENUX> i will cummed
[7:28] <LiENUX> monday == my bday
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[8:55] <mrdragons> come back dragonbot
[8:55] <dragonBot> I'ma back
[9:36] <haltdef> fantastic, another bot
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[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> has sightlight modified the laws of physics to suit his needs yet?
[9:41] <haltdef> haha
[9:42] <haltdef> he's promised to test out the raspi before obliterating his netbook, hopefully he'll realize the netbook is faster than it :P
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> it's his power supply I am interested in
[9:43] <haltdef> yea, seems to think drawing a pretty diagram is all it needs
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> he drew a diagram!?
[9:43] <haltdef> not of the power supply yet
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[9:44] <haltdef> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi#p32609
[9:44] <haltdef> he's put some resistors on a board now
[9:44] <haltdef> I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure power supplies need more
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> a lot more
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> he thinks he can just hook a resistor in and call it a power supply
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> logic being that there's a voltage drop across a resistor
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... back to work... 'night
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[12:46] <xlq> In the git repository, what's raspberrypi/master at?
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[12:51] <xlq> Oh, weird. It looks like "master" is a merge of an empty commit by popcornmix (whoever that is) and some merge from Linus. That should probably be removed before it confuses more people.
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[13:18] <merlin1991> omgz kernel sources
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[14:27] <WASDx> My external harddrive broke. So I returned it and bought a new one with its own power supply so i can use it in my RPi :D
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[14:54] <Radioactiveman> Hi, I have a monitor connected via DVI to my PC.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> Radioactiveman: sensible option
[14:54] <Radioactiveman> http://www.amazon.de/mumbi-HDMI-DVI-Adapter-Stecker/dp/B004S1XW2A/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_ttl_in
[14:54] <Radioactiveman> Does this adapter work?
[14:55] <Radioactiveman> I think the pictures are clear if you don't understand German.
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> I understand german :)
[14:55] <Radioactiveman> :)
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> looks OK, by the description even
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> Radioactiveman: "Anwendung f??r: Monitor, Beamer, Plasma TV ... (mit DVI-D Eingang) k??nnen mittels Adapter ??ber ein HDMI-Kabel an DVD-Player, Grafikkarten ...(mit HDMI Ausgang) angeschlossen werden"
[14:57] <Radioactiveman> "??ber ein HDMI-Kabel"
[14:57] <Radioactiveman> I have a DVI cable ...
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[14:59] <Radioactiveman> Nice, will order it later.
[14:59] <Radioactiveman> When will it be possible to preorder the Raspberry PI?
[14:59] <Radioactiveman> Version B
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> Radioactiveman: Soon
[15:00] <Radioactiveman> hehe
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> We should start a betting pool :)
[15:03] <WASDx> Radioactiveman: I have a hdmi-to-dvi converter :D
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> Oh note that it doesn't "do" sound
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> where full HDMI does
[15:04] <Radioactiveman> That's clear.
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[15:06] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
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[15:21] <sightlight> hi
[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> how's it going?
[15:21] <sightlight> good
[15:22] <sightlight> just woked up
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> what kind of wok was it?
[15:22] <sightlight> 5 volt for Pi, 11volt for LCD
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ag
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> *ah
[15:23] <sightlight> how much volt is each the backlight and Sata Drive?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> volts isn't the problem
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> total amps is
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> (actually, Watts)
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> and regulatedness
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> sata has multiple pins with different voltages
[15:23] <sightlight> uhm
[15:23] <haltdef> hm, I thought the selection of packages available for arm in debian's repos would be a hell of a lot lower than x86
[15:24] <haltdef> impressive
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: volts are easily changed. Max power of a battery/wall plug isn't :)
[15:24] <haltdef> think I'll forget about gentoo and just use vanilla debian on raspi
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> MartijnVdS, he won't listen to that kind of reasoning. He'll have to make his 'power supply' and then try to figure out why it doesn't work.
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> how do you plan to use sata anyway?
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> ShiftPlusOne: I'm thinking of just getting a car battery + some electronics to make sure I don't blow everything up
[15:25] <sightlight> usb converter
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: should last for days, if not weeks
[15:25] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, that'll work.
[15:25] <ShiftPlusOne> MartijnVdS, yeah, the 'occupy' guys have had a lot of success with car batteries.
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> they swap batteries to keep 24 hour live streams going and to upload videos.
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> though they use a car battery and an inverter
[15:26] <victhor> = inefficiency :P
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> you'd think so, but the inverters might be more efficient that using a voltage regulator... besides they just need something that work.
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> *works
[15:28] <victhor> you must be thinking of linear ones
[15:28] <victhor> switching regulators can easily reach over 80% efficiency
[15:28] <sightlight> ill finish this project when i get home
[15:29] <victhor> in a project like this there's a lot of time to tinker with a solution... I was going to do it too, but I didn't get my plans finished yet
[15:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I am talking about linear ones
[15:29] <sightlight> I got 2 PCB board so its ok
[15:30] <victhor> you can just use the switching ones... over 80% efficiency and lots of current to supply
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> So your robot can _do_ things, other than think ;)
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, what you have isn't really what people mean by PCB... you've got a stripboard.
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> technically a pcb, but not really.
[15:34] <sightlight> Printed Cicuit Boar
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yes.. boar
[15:34] <sightlight> PCB
[15:34] <sightlight> board..
[15:35] <ShiftPlusOne> look into getting a breadboard, they're great
[15:35] <ShiftPlusOne> or bread boar, if you prefer.
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[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> another question.... why bother with sata if you're going through USB anyway?
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[15:49] <sightlight> how much drains a backlight
[15:49] <sightlight> ?
[15:49] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, are you still feeding it?
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I am studying the subjects psychology.
[15:50] <ReggieUK> sightlight, join #electronics and ask there!
[15:50] <sightlight> #electronic
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ....kik
[15:50] <sightlight> #electronics
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ...or lol rather
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> (but don't, you'll get ripped to shreads there)
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[15:56] <ShiftPlusOne> vgrade, hello
[15:57] <ReggieUK> yay
[15:57] <ReggieUK> he quit and I was even helpful this time despite knowing he's a troll
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> telling him to go to ##electronics was helpful, you think?
[15:58] <ReggieUK> I have no issues with people being inquisitive, wanting to learn etc.
[15:58] <ReggieUK> yes, I do think it was helpful, given that he barely seems to have an understanding of electronics
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[15:58] <ReggieUK> it would appear to be a good call
[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think people there would have much patience for that.
[15:59] <ReggieUK> I also suggested he get an arduino, so that he can learn about fundamentals last night
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> He's a man of action, Reggies. Learning is for the weak.... he knows electronics, apart from the electricity part.
[16:00] <ReggieUK> but you lot appear to have been smashing your faces into the pavement of sightlights refusal to accept real information
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> it amuses me a little
[16:02] <ReggieUK> whereas it amuses me little
[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> because I don't think he's trolling, I am interested in his reasoning
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBs7KaTK5Hk (pi stuff)
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[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I am starting to think inc and sightlight are the same person
[16:21] <sightlight> nah
[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> is exactly what you're say if you were trying to get away with it
[16:22] <sightlight> ...
[16:22] <sightlight> check IP and syuff
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> never
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... it's 02:23:17
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> which is obviously bed time
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[16:25] <sightlight> uploading the PSU design
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, I'll stay for this
[16:27] <sightlight> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396301_2840536264605_1595264811_32499873_251382786_n.jpg
[16:28] <ReggieUK> I bet you wish you hadn't now you've seen it ShiftPlusOne?
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, it's pretty much what I expected
[16:28] <ReggieUK> pointless?
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ...interesting
[16:29] <sightlight> i hope the backlight power is enough
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, are you familiar with what happens to voltages in parallel?
[16:29] <ReggieUK> clearly not!
[16:29] <sightlight> heat
[16:29] <ReggieUK> and screw that, what the hell is a 5v capacitor?
[16:30] <xlq> One that can cope with five volts?
[16:30] <ReggieUK> so a capacitor then?
[16:30] <sightlight> i know what i doing
[16:30] <sightlight> i will test before
[16:30] <sightlight> this is just a design
[16:30] <ReggieUK> please, please please take a video when you test
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> he measures everything in volts... power, current, capacitance, resistance...just not voltage.
[16:30] <ReggieUK> shoe on head etc.
[16:30] <sightlight> if i need fixing when i test i will do
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[16:31] <xlq> [15:30] <ReggieUK> please, please please take a video when you test
[16:31] <xlq> I second that!
[16:31] <sightlight> its not like im going to test ith the PI.......
[16:32] <haltdef> I think they want to see you injure yourself or make the smoke evacuate a component
[16:33] <sightlight> im working on this
[16:33] <ReggieUK> haltdef, I want to see the smoke and the look on his face
[16:33] <haltdef> "but I did a diagram and everything"
[16:35] <haltdef> prett sure this microsd is a lost cause
[16:35] <sightlight> oh i forgot the a main LED for current
[16:35] <sightlight> :)
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, yeah, well there's your problem
[16:35] <sightlight> huh?
[16:35] <haltdef> fill it with stuff, maybe a gig free .. some time later it'll show up as 0 bytes free so not writable
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> the main LED for current
[16:36] <haltdef> h2testw says it's fine :|
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> what are the little short circuit boxes with 12v in them?
[16:37] <sightlight> anyway
[16:37] <ReggieUK> sightlight
[16:37] <ReggieUK> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/
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[16:50] <xlq> ReggieUK: Perhaps his browser doesn't support tabs.
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, yeah, how dare you ignore the needs of people from the 90s.
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[16:59] <vgrade> ShiftPlusOne, hi
[17:00] <BarryK> hi guys is there a pi vm around for playing with the pi arm distros?
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[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne> BarryK, there should be. I can't give a link or anything, but you can also compile your own. Just need to cross-compile a kernel.
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> or just extract one from an existing ARM distro
[17:02] <BarryK> yeah I thought there might already be some "standard" ones around with the fedora arm base with the rootfs and things already set up
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[17:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, but I am a bit of a masochist and prefer doing things from scratch. (http://raspi.springnote.com/pages/8234994)
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[17:08] <BarryK> cheers that'll do it, just trying to see what my options are for hardware accelerated graphics through python on the pi, just really depends whats been ported over for so far I guess
[17:10] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe check the debian repos
[17:10] <rm> 2D is SDL, 3D is OpenGL ES
[17:11] <rm> but currently there isn't an accelerated Xorg driver
[17:11] <rm> and whatever 3D acceleration there is, it only works without X running
[17:11] <rm> i.e. in full-screen apps you launch from a text console
[17:11] <BarryK> yeah but I cant really start righting openGL ES on an x86 machine to test and if possible I'd like to try use a wrapper so it can be ported back to openGL easily enough
[17:12] <haltdef> I'd forgotten all about X
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> BarryK, OpenGL ES is just a subset of OpenGL... so yeah you cant write ES using regular OpenGL
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> just avoid the functions which are not in ES
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> *can
[17:12] <haltdef> has anyone taken a peek at the driver in the raspi kernel fork to see about making a driver for X?
[17:16] <ShiftPlusOne> but the problem is that you need SDL 1.3 to use OpenGL ES
[17:16] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're using SDL anyway
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[17:18] <BarryK> well this is it, I'm just trying to find out what options are open already, and it's much easier to do if I could just boot up one of the distros and have a poke about. perfomance isn't really an issue it's a very basic application and I don't even really need openGL ES, just a quick thought lol
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[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> out of curiosity, what's the application?
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[17:21] <BarryK> just a frontend for launching emulators, not exactly a complicated project
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, you can steal from openpandora... no point reinventing the wheel there.
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> but I'd just use SDL if I was doing it
[17:24] <BarryK> yeah but I dont like theirs, well it isn't ideal. I'd like something with a decent db backend but at the same time easily configurable and gamepad friendly for all the options
[17:25] <BarryK> yeah there's no need for any 3d work I just might want to have a play with it for some more complicated designs for the UI
[17:26] <ShiftPlusOne> does SDL, without OpenGL use hardware acceleration?
[17:27] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, I don't think so
[17:27] <rm> it uses 2D acceleration
[17:28] <rm> if it's there
[17:28] <BarryK> Basic scaling and things maybe
[17:29] <ShiftPlusOne> great.... 3 different answers, lol.
[17:29] <ShiftPlusOne> no, sometimes and partially.
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[17:33] <BarryK> well I'm not talking about throwing dozens of images and animations at the screen, just thought with openGL ES it might be cool to have a little 3D model of each of the systems the emulators support rotate and for the emulator/system selection. Just an idea though, can always just start that when my Pi gets here :)
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd use opengl es either way. It gives you many options which sdl alone doesn't.
[17:36] <BarryK> thats true, but then it's back to whats the best way to call it from python and without the hardware to test it on
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> PyOpenGL?
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> OpenGL-ES is on the "todo" list for PyOpenGL's developers
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> or not
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[17:41] <ShiftPlusOne> or in other words, I don't know.
[17:41] <ShiftPlusOne> not a python guy
[17:41] <ShiftPlusOne> the maemo guys might know
[17:42] <BarryK> lol so essentially it's a case of just leave that bit for now and come back to it when hardware ships. I can deal with that
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/2007/07/opengl-es-for-maemo/
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[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> he's got a board... he's a maemo guy... just saying
[17:44] <BarryK> yeah but I dont, so it's more a case of what can I use now for testing purposes that'll work on both
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> both what?
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and also... http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL_ES_Libraries
[17:45] <BarryK> well ive already started the application on my desktop but I dont want to start writing platform dependant code until I have the hardware to test it on
[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I've started a project with SDL 1.2 and OpenGL... planning to port to SDL1.3 and OpenGL ES when I can get my hands on the actual hardware.
[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> don't want to fiddle with qemu tbhh
[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> *tbh
[17:48] <ukscone> morning all
[17:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[17:48] <BarryK> yeah I think I'm going to go down that road too, I dont even think qemu can run openGL ES code anyway
[17:48] <haltdef> aha, nothing wrong with my sd card, just cyanogenmod doing stupid shit
[17:48] <BarryK> morning
[17:48] <ukscone> morning ShiftPlusOne
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> BarryK, there's a way.... it's more than a little fiddly.
[17:49] <ukscone> BarryK: you the puppy dude?
[17:49] <BarryK> puppy dude?
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> BarryK, also another link.... http://orgetik.de/wp/wordpress/?tag=opengl-n900&lang=en
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> BarryK, do you like puppies is what he's asking.
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[17:49] <ukscone> BarryK: the guy who has the blog about porting puppy to the raspi
[17:50] <BarryK> nah not me
[17:50] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i like uppies -- between two slices of bread
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> you're right, I should go make a sammich
[17:50] <ukscone> puppies even -- darn keyboard ruining my "joke"
[17:51] <ReggieUK> it's ok, there'll be another opportunity soon enough
[17:51] <ReggieUK> g'morning marmiteboy
[17:51] <ukscone> i wish people would stop posting on the forum -- 48 topics with new posts -- going to take me ages to read them all
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[17:52] <BarryK> ShiftPlusOne I think your work flow sounds like the right approach, I guess it wont take long to port the OpenGL and debug anyway. no point spending days settingup a decent build environment to save myself a few hours
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[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind I work at a snail pace, so by the time I get the pi, I'll have 10 lines of code to port.
[17:54] <BarryK> lol
[17:55] <IT_Sean> mmmmm... piiiii
[17:55] <xlq> ShiftPlusOne adheres to the principles of GAD - geological application development
[17:55] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: well if you will spend all your spare time wandering the hills with a spare pair of wellies
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[17:55] <ukscone> hehehehehheheheehe my son is stupid
[17:56] <ukscone> he just came in and asked what i was going to make for dinner today
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> xlq, what?
[17:56] <ukscone> he's claims he doesn't like mushrooms and i didn't think he knew their names
[17:56] <ukscone> i slipped and said pork lion and portobello
[17:56] <xlq> ShiftPlusOne: Software development over geological time scales.
[17:57] <ukscone> s/lion/loin
[17:57] <ukscone> he said that isn't portobello mushrooms is it?
[17:57] <ShiftPlusOne> xlq, I think I am too tired to figure this one out.
[17:57] <ukscone> i said nooooooo portobello steak
[17:57] <ukscone> the idiot said "oh that's ok then"
[17:58] <xlq> That sounds like ignorance, not stupidity.
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, will you tell him when he's done eating?
[17:58] <ukscone> and went back to his room to sleep and i quickly tore the label off the packet
[17:58] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: of course and use that as yet another reason why he should eat veg and mushrooms because he DOES like them
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... forgot about my sammich... brb.
[17:59] <ukscone> xlq: it's not that he doesn't know it's that he trusts me -- that is the idiocy bit
[18:00] <ukscone> i have proved to be untrusty worthy when it comes to food and what is in stuff as far as he s concerned
[18:00] <ukscone> otherwise i'd be sitting there picking th carrots out of stew for him
[18:02] <ShiftPlusOne> instead you call them carrotsteaks?
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[18:03] <ukscone> no those are just the "flavourings and a few pieces of sweet potato"
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[18:03] <ukscone> he won't eat sweet potato but he doesn't think they infect the whole thing just by touching the met
[18:04] <ukscone> apparently carrots taint everything they come in contact with
[18:05] <ShiftPlusOne> makes sense
[18:06] <ukscone> personally i think he's 22 he shoudl just shutup and eat the ruddy stuff i put in front of him and it's getting better but his mother lets him get away with a lot
[18:06] <ReggieUK> noooo, dude, I thought we were talking about a 6yr old
[18:06] <xlq> lol
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[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> tell him to make his own food
[18:06] <ukscone> ReggieUK: nope :) he's 22 and 18 credit short of his BS in criminology and psychology
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[18:07] <ReggieUK> personally, I would do the same as ShiftPlusOne, either eat what I'm making, pick your own carrots out, or make your own
[18:07] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: he'd be eating noodles every day then
[18:07] <ukscone> he can cook noodles, roast chicken and eggs
[18:07] <ShiftPlusOne> make him pay for his noodles then
[18:08] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: he has no income except his student loans
[18:08] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
[18:08] <ukscone> we did a deal with him
[18:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't learn to eat whatever I am given until I lived alone for a few months and had to pay all the bills (around the same age)
[18:08] <ukscone> his degree is his job if he keeps a 3.0 gpa or above -- the minute it slips below then out he goes and gets a job
[18:10] <ukscone> we will clothe, feed and water him and take care of the neccessities (and keep him on wife's medical) until he has finished college but as soon as he screws up he's outta here
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[18:10] <sightlight> hi
[18:10] <MuNk> hey =]
[18:10] <ukscone> and so far he's not screwed up and will probably go to graduate school for his masters as a criminology degree is pretty worthless
[18:11] <sightlight> only one making project for the raspberrypi
[18:11] <sightlight> ?
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> sightlight, nope
[18:11] <sightlight> i thought you had gone to sleep plusone.
[18:12] <ukscone> kinda liking my new fedora based dev vm. one you get used to it's quirks it's not too bad
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I was going to, but then I went to get a sammich
[18:12] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: a sheep sammich?
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> =|
[18:13] <sightlight> does xonotic run on you fedora vm? assuming its raspberrypi pecs
[18:13] <sightlight> specs*
[18:14] <ukscone> sightlight: never heard of xonotic so not got the foggiest
[18:14] <sightlight> www.xonotic.org
[18:15] <sightlight> what fedora you have that provides the specs?
[18:15] <ukscone> well it won't "run" in the vm as it's not for that but i could look to see if it builds
[18:16] <sightlight> yes, you could download the source and compile it.
[18:16] <sightlight> that is what I belive we will need to do.
[18:16] <sightlight> thats what they said
[18:16] <sightlight> ARM11
[18:16] <ReggieUK> it's like being at an event horizon, watching everything getting sucked in........
[18:16] <ukscone> sightlight: the vm is to help port s/w while we don't have boards not for actually running stuff as qemu doesn't do that well at emulating hardware not on it's list
[18:17] <ReggieUK> none of you will escape
[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I am staying out this time
[18:17] <xlq> :)
[18:18] <ukscone> i'll probably do the mods that lets scratchbox2 use the real hardware rather than qemu once i have a board in my paws but that's going to be a month or so
[18:18] <haltdef> quick google gets me to a forum with estimates of min system requirements .. 1GB ram
[18:19] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: what do you think about setting up this channel so new users don't have voice until we grant it?
[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> a bit naziish
[18:19] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: and???? that's a problem?
[18:19] <xlq> Yes. Yes it is.
[18:20] <ShiftPlusOne> haltdef, wikipedia says 2GiB
[18:20] <haltdef> so it does
[18:20] <ukscone> xlq: it's ok "certain" people would be exempt :) NUDGE NUDGE WINK WINK
[18:20] <haltdef> wait, +m the channel and voice everyone manually?
[18:21] <ShiftPlusOne> 'certain' people will tire themselves out eventually
[18:21] * ReggieUK hands ukscone a commandants hat
[18:21] <ReggieUK> do it
[18:21] <DaQatz> Or set a bot to autovoice
[18:21] <haltdef> autovoice is pointless
[18:21] <haltdef> just spammy
[18:21] <DaQatz> And have it remove that when people act up.
[18:21] <haltdef> that's what +b is for
[18:22] <DaQatz> If you actually want to abn them yes.
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[18:22] <DaQatz> ban*
[18:22] <haltdef> then they just cycle the channel so the bot voices them again, so you have to tell the bot not to voie this user
[18:22] <DaQatz> Yes you do
[18:23] <DaQatz> Example !unvoice Miscreant
[18:23] <ukscone> actually until we have problems i think we'll leave everything as it is. if the foundation don't have time or desire to take over control of it once the raspi is out i'll grant ops to a couple of people in diff tz and we'll just leave it at that
[18:23] <DaQatz> Nods
[18:23] <DaQatz> Sounds fine to me.
[18:23] <DaQatz> Since there have been no issues yet.
[18:23] <ukscone> so far apart from me noone has really gone OTT
[18:24] <ukscone> although i was thinking of adding an entry fee
[18:24] <ukscone> 2 quid or a 6 pack of twiglets
[18:24] <haltdef> time to find an alternative to cyanogenmod until this stupid bug's fixed I guess
[18:24] <haltdef> joy
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[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> good
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> cyanogenmod is a bit...set in its ways
[18:25] <ukscone> hmmm wonder if my followers on twitter are trying to tell me something. so far i've had 3 dentists try to follow me
[18:26] <haltdef> http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=4703
[18:26] <haltdef> bit of a showstopper, rams your sd card full of junk in minutes
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> haltdef, which device?
[18:26] <haltdef> zte blade
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[18:27] <ukscone> haltdef: or you could just listen to decent music instead :)
[18:27] <haltdef> ?
[18:27] <haltdef> it's any music
[18:27] <ukscone> the bug says "certain mp3 filenames"
[18:27] <haltdef> my whole collection is on the sd and the bug shows up
[18:28] <ukscone> i think it's trying to tell you something
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I used to be a fan of cyanogenmod, until I started trying a few other roms from XDA.... a custom ROM specific to your device is much better.
[18:28] <haltdef> it's been demoted to alarm clock anyway
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> though miuidroid is pretty good too.
[18:28] <haltdef> nokia n900 <3
[18:28] <ukscone> i don't like it on the nookcolor as it has too many phoneisms
[18:28] <haltdef> ahh xda-devs
[18:28] <haltdef> bad memories of shitty windows mobile rom after shitty windows mobile rom
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's going to be inherently shitty
[18:29] <haltdef> took me a long time to notice the common link between all of those roms :P
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> windows?
[18:29] <haltdef> it was the mobile OS I started out with, I didn't know any better
[18:29] <haltdef> maemo 5 was the OS I used after that .. omg
[18:30] <haltdef> responsiveness, stability
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I hear nothing but good things about nokia n900 and maemo
[18:31] <haltdef> I hope nokia suffer massively for dropping meego
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[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> well they've cosied up to microsoft pretty suggly, so I think they success will depend on how windows 8 goes.
[18:33] <haltdef> the face of one of the wp7 phones in the uk was my celebrity crush too
[18:33] <haltdef> not gonna work!
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I wish there was something like android without the java. =(
[18:34] <haltdef> maemo? :P
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[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yup... but on my phone
[18:34] <haltdef> maemo's on my phone
[18:36] <_inc_> afternoon chaps
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[18:36] <haltdef> not that I haven't caught maemo doing stupid things too
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[18:36] <haltdef> it likes to swap the left and right stereo channels around every so often
[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, but it's not java
[18:40] <haltdef> ?
[18:40] <Wolfram74> ho hum
[18:40] <Wolfram74> so, initial run of 10 thousand, yes?
[18:40] <haltdef> only bought this phone because my needs from a phone changed .. n900 I wanted a pocketable computer
[18:41] <haltdef> when I actually bought a proper x86 windows computer that fits in my pocket it became a bit big and heavy for an mp3 player and phone :P
[18:41] <haltdef> (no OS fanboyism comments please)
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> which computer was that?
[18:41] <haltdef> viliv n5
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> looks good
[18:42] <haltdef> can't buy it anymore, shame
[18:42] * ShiftPlusOne checks ebay >.>
[18:42] <haltdef> hrhr
[18:42] <haltdef> sony do something similar I believe
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> only $1000 ey?
[18:43] <haltdef> expensive considering the specs :P
[18:44] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe one day I'll get my pandora.
[18:44] <haltdef> wassat
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CaU9jQQJ1o
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> a good idea horribly managed
[18:46] <Wolfram74> looks modeled on the DS
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> with more 'proper' controls
[18:47] <Wolfram74> traditional, you mean
[18:47] <ShiftPlusOne> actually the controls are what set the device apart from anything else available
[18:47] <Wolfram74> a keyboard that small is almost as ungainly as a touch screen for my beefy mits
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[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> traditional? I am not familiar of a device with a staggered qwerty keyboard, analog nubs and a dpad.... it's like the best of all worlds.
[18:49] <haltdef> lol you said nubs
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yes... yes I did
[18:50] <haltdef> wonder if I can run this thing without a battery in
[18:50] <haltdef> store the battery properly for when ICS comes out
[18:51] <haltdef> alarm clock until then
[18:52] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[18:53] <haltdef> you haven't actually gone after saying that so I don't believe you!
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> me neither
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[19:33] <Wolfram74> do we know what the powerconsumption for the RPi is yet?
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[19:37] <WASDx> Wolfram74: less than 3.5W i think
[19:37] <WASDx> iirc
[19:37] <DaQatz> Could have been less.
[19:37] <DaQatz> Ohs wells
[19:38] <WASDx> 5 volt 700mA
[19:39] <Wolfram74> could be fun wiring up a little battery pack that runs on rechargeable double A's
[19:39] <WASDx> yeah
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[19:45] <WASDx> thats for model B
[19:45] <WASDx> model A should be bellow 500mA
[19:47] <merlin1991> doesn't the usb standard only allow 500mA ?
[19:48] <merlin1991> ah wait that was when drawn from a connection with data link
[19:55] <ukscone> anyone used to fedora in here? having a problem getting desktop shortcuts to work how i want/expect
[19:57] <mrdragons> I've never been able to get fedora running, heh
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[20:01] <mrdragons> hi dragonbot
[20:01] <dragonBot> Hello mrdragons! This is dragonbot v0.6.
[20:02] <mrdragons> dragonbot, remember change bot nickname={n}NICK {action 5}
[20:02] <dragonBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[20:02] <mrdragons> dragonbot, change bot nickname herpaderp89
[20:02] * dragonBot is now known as herpaderp89
[20:02] <Tobias|> dragonBot now? O_o
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[20:03] <mrdragons> He's like %20 cooler now
[20:03] <mrdragons> He's gonna chrash now because I haven't patched this instance of him yet:
[20:03] <mrdragons> dragonbot, change bot nickname dragonbot
[20:03] * herpaderp89 is now known as dragonbot
[20:03] <mrdragons> Oh guess not
[20:08] <mrdragons> dragonbot, remember please slap user = ACTION slaps {action 5} 
[20:08] <dragonbot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[20:08] <mrdragons> dragonbot, please slap user mrdragons
[20:08] <dragonbot> action slaps mrdragons
[20:09] <mrdragons> dragonbot, please slap user notARealUser
[20:09] <dragonbot> action slaps notarealuser
[20:11] <mrdragons> dragonbot, remember please slap user = ACTION slaps {action 5} {action 6} 
[20:11] <dragonbot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[20:11] <mrdragons> dragonbot, please slap user notARealUser
[20:11] <dragonbot> action slaps notarealuser
[20:11] <mrdragons> dragonbot, please slap user notARealUser hard
[20:11] <dragonbot> action slaps notarealuser hard
[20:12] <Wolfram74> dragonbot, please slap user wolfram74
[20:12] <dragonbot> action slaps wolfram74
[20:12] <Wolfram74> dragonbot, please slap user mrdragons
[20:12] <dragonbot> action slaps mrdragons
[20:13] <Wolfram74> dragonbot, please slap user mrdragons with a trout
[20:13] <Wolfram74> dragonbot, please slap user mrdragons withatrout
[20:13] <dragonbot> action slaps mrdragons withatrout
[20:13] <mrdragons> lol
[20:13] <Dagger3> ... do we really need yet another bot in here?
[20:13] <Wolfram74> the tables have turned, mr dragons!
[20:13] <Dagger3> especially one that appears to be completely useless?
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[20:14] <mrdragons> dragonbot, when can I buy a raspberry pi?
[20:14] <mrdragons> dragonbot, when can I buy one?
[20:14] <mrdragons> Hmm
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[20:14] <mrdragons> It's supposed to be an FAQ bot
[20:14] <mrdragons> Dragonbot, will it run windows?
[20:14] <dragonbot> Currently no, and likely not in the foreseeable future, due to the limited resources and the processor achetecture. Feel free to take a look around linux!
[20:14] <Wolfram74> also, do you want it to only react like that? new people won't know to ask the bot
[20:15] <Wolfram74> ah, it is supposed to be helpful, not just shame people who ask when it'll be on sale
[20:15] <DaQatz> dragonbot, Are you in any way useful?
[20:15] <mrdragons> No need to be a dick about it.
[20:16] <DaQatz> I just thought I was being funny.
[20:16] <haltdef> so many bots
[20:17] <mrdragons> ?what
[20:17] <answerbot> what is a raspberry pie = Cooler than you, that's what.
[20:17] <DaQatz> So why have answerbot and dragonbot then?
[20:17] <DaQatz> Don't they both answer questions?
[20:17] <mrdragons> It's a little "competition" between me and feeb
[20:17] <haltdef> why do we have to suffer
[20:17] <Wolfram74> so how might one prepare before they get their hands on an RPi?
[20:18] <haltdef> software wise there's not much you can do
[20:19] <Wolfram74> it is possible to run a virtual RPi, yes?
[20:19] <haltdef> kinda, with qemu
[20:19] <haltdef> doesn't emulate the pi exactly
[20:19] <Wolfram74> so if someone is a linux virgin, they could get used to navigation?
[20:20] <haltdef> you might be better off doing that in a regular x86 VM
[20:20] <haltdef> qemu isn't point and click like vmware or virtualbox
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[20:20] <BarryK> safer just running any old debian \ fedora x86 vm to get used to linux that way
[20:20] <Wolfram74> I don't want to do point and click, i want to deep workings
[20:21] <haltdef> have you not used linux before at all?
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[20:22] <mrdragons> talkbot, how can I prepare for the raspberry pi release? = You can try familiarizing yourself with linux, particularly the command line, if you've never used it before or are inexperienced with it. You can also buy hardware such as USB mice and keyboards, SD cards, wifi dongles, and so on.
[20:22] <mrdragons> dragonbot, how can I prepare for the raspberry pi release? = You can try familiarizing yourself with linux, particularly the command line, if you've never used it before or are inexperienced with it. You can also buy hardware such as USB mice and keyboards, SD cards, wifi dongles, and so on.
[20:23] <mrdragons> dragonbot, remember how can I prepare for the raspberry pi release? = You can try familiarizing yourself with linux, particularly the command line, if you've never used it before or are inexperienced with it. You can also buy hardware such as USB mice and keyboards, SD cards, wifi dongles, and so on.
[20:23] <dragonbot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[20:23] <mrdragons> Sorry.
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[20:26] <mrdragons> So what are you all up to?
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[20:29] <Wolfram74> electricity and magnetism
[20:30] <xlq> theorem proving
[20:30] <mrdragons> Both of those are pretty vague. :P
[20:31] <Wolfram74> beginnings of electrodynamics and conduction
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[20:59] <DaQatz> dragonbot, remember Are you useful? = How dare you! That's just rude to ask.
[20:59] <DaQatz> dragonbot, remember Are you useful? = How dare you! That's just rude to ask.
[20:59] <dragonbot> daqatz: I don't trust you. >_>
[20:59] <DaQatz> Pity
[21:00] <DaQatz> dragonbot, I have a nice van with no windows, and plenty of candy.
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[21:02] <mrdragons> Heh
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[21:12] <PiBot> DaQatz| <dragonbot> daqatz: I don't trust you. >_> <DaQatz> dragonbot, I have a nice van with no windows, and plenty of candy.
[21:13] <mrdragons> XD
[21:29] <_inc> pandoras are still hard to get?
[21:30] <_inc> sorry, thats me jumping onto a converstaion that happened 3+ hours ago
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[21:56] <hotwings> i want to try a pi (b version) as a cheap htpc. however, is it even capable of deinterlacing hd content? im guessing no
[21:56] <haltdef> we don't know much about its media capabilities atm
[21:56] <_inc> i think it is unknown at the moment
[21:56] <_inc> what haltdef said
[21:57] <_inc> there was a dude that did a Q&A on reddit though. one sec
[21:57] <mrdragons> Yeah, the most we do know is it can decode 1080 h.264 video.
[21:57] <hotwings> 1080p
[21:58] <_inc> hotwings: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/
[21:58] <haltdef> tbh I can't see it being useful as an HTPC
[21:58] <hotwings> thats not impressive at all. if it can deinterlace 1080i then ill be thoroughly impressed
[21:58] <mrdragons> hotwings: thanksya
[21:58] <haltdef> h.264 progressive is a start but you need far more for an HTPC :P
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[21:59] * Davespice wakes up with a jolt
[21:59] <hotwings> you only need hdmi, multichannel audio, a controlling device (usb-based mceusb)
[21:59] <Davespice> hello everyone o/
[21:59] <hotwings> the only question mark in terms of htpc should be deinterlacing
[21:59] <mrdragons> I dunno, asking an entire htpc from a $35 educational device is asking a lot...
[21:59] <haltdef> format support
[22:00] <mrdragons> Hey davespice
[22:00] <haltdef> 720p mpeg2 in software won't work on arm11 I don't think :P
[22:00] <hotwings> not really since the hardest/most process intensive part is being done in the gpu
[22:00] <Davespice> hey, can I ask anyone about Linux Kernels? I'm not very experienced in Linux so I just want to ask a few n00b questions
[22:00] <haltdef> only h.264 has been mentioned when it comes to gpu decoding
[22:00] <hotwings> htpc requirements are very minimal until you get to deinterlacing hd content.. thats the only time you really need to pay attention
[22:00] <mrdragons> The question is, is it being done by the gpu?
[22:01] <mrdragons> All the format decoding in general, that is
[22:01] <_inc> Davespice: ask away
[22:01] <hotwings> when you say format, do you mean container?
[22:01] <haltdef> no
[22:02] <haltdef> will xvid, mpeg2, vc1 be decoded by the gpu
[22:02] <haltdef> the cu of the raspi is not fast
[22:02] <haltdef> cpu
[22:02] <hotwings> of those it may only have trouble with vc1
[22:02] <BarryK> the vast majority of formats will have to resort to CPU processing, ARM 700Mhz? No chance even in "SD" for alot of the more CPU intense stuff like flash
[22:02] <LiENUS> so
[22:03] <haltdef> I can see xvid at scene resolutions working
[22:03] <hotwings> btw, xvid/mpeg2/vc1/h264 are not formats :)
[22:03] <haltdef> my windows mobile phone was intel xscale at 500mhz, handled it fine
[22:03] <mrdragons> Was it arm 11?
[22:03] <LiENUS> who thinks that raspberry pi will go on sale tomorrow?
[22:03] <xlq> Not me.
[22:04] <haltdef> older than arm11
[22:04] <LiENUS> tomorrrow is y birfday
[22:04] <ReggieUK> definitely not tomorrow
[22:04] <ReggieUK> they don't release on birthdays of channel members
[22:04] <ReggieUK> didn't you read the FAQ?
[22:04] <hotwings> i dont see them going on sale in january
[22:04] <mrdragons> haltdef: Oh cool
[22:04] <Davespice> okay here goes: I've just seen the post about the foundation releasing the Kernel Sources, is this something that would only be relevent to you if you wanted to make your own custom Kernel, or do all Raspberry Pi users need to know and understand everything to do with installing it?
[22:05] <ReggieUK> they don't *need* to know that stuff, I wouldn't have thought, but it would certainly be advantageous
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[22:05] <Davespice> I've never done anything like compiling a kernel, or anything before
[22:05] <mrdragons> It's fun. :P
[22:05] <LiENUS> ReggieUK, for real tho def not tomorrow?
[22:05] <mrdragons> Try it sometime, really
[22:06] <LiENUS> hey if any raspi members are on
[22:06] <LiENUS> you could give me a birthday present and overnight me one :P
[22:06] <Davespice> It doesn't make a lot of sense to me right now
[22:06] <ReggieUK> they're not LiENUS
[22:06] <LiENUS> aww
[22:06] <haltdef> you don't need to worry about compiling the kernel yourself
[22:06] <Davespice> is it worth it for me to read up and understand it though?
[22:06] <hotwings> Davespice - kernel compiles are a piece of cake.. not really something you need to worry about
[22:06] <ReggieUK> haltdef, but it's something that should be encouraged
[22:06] <ReggieUK> Davespice, yes!!
[22:07] * Davespice nods
[22:07] <Davespice> okay, where to start...
[22:07] <hotwings> the most important thing with kernel compiling is identifying your needs
[22:07] <ReggieUK> you don't have to understand the whole of compiling a kernel but learning to sort out what modules you want to use, or disabling the fscker that's stopping your kernel from booting etc. would stand you in great stead :D
[22:08] <Davespice> I guess to start with I just want a minimal system, but what I don't understand is that... isn't the Kernel so integral to the OS, how can you be using the OS to compile it, if it doesn't exist yet?
[22:08] <_inc> I think it is more for people who are building distros though right? That pretty low level stuff for a hobbyist
[22:08] <ReggieUK> you can cross compile
[22:08] <Davespice> okay so you would compile it on another machine, not the Pi itself?
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[22:08] <ReggieUK> so you could have an intel base machine that your toolchain resides on (toolchain = stuff to build your target binaries)
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> Davespice: yes, other machine = lots faster
[22:09] <LiENUS> wish i could get a traspi for my bday lol
[22:09] <Davespice> ohh god, right
[22:09] <LiENUS> tomorrow is my 21st birthday
[22:09] <LiENUS> it'll be my 6th 21st birthday
[22:09] <uriah> so, i expect the first batch to be on sale tomorrow. who's with me on this?
[22:09] <mrdragons> Lol
[22:09] <_inc> LiENUS: dont get your hopes up buddy
[22:09] <Davespice> okay this is starting to make more sense now
[22:09] <ReggieUK> and of course we will be supplied with 90% of the driver sources
[22:09] <mrdragons> Davespice: Just think of the kernel as program
[22:09] <ReggieUK> so all we need to do is set the correct config flags, paths, compiler version and jobs a good un
[22:10] <ReggieUK> and tell it the target of course
[22:10] <LiENUS> _inc, well they shipped em over a week ago didnt they?
[22:10] <mrdragons> I got one at a steal, yeah
[22:10] <mrdragons> Only ~$5000.
[22:10] <Davespice> am I right in thinking that if you're booted into Linux, some form of Kernel must be running or in use? If so, how do you replace it? I suppose I can read up on all this
[22:10] <ReggieUK> the kernel is loaded into memory
[22:10] <_inc> LiENUS: in a huge crate???. It would take a while to package them seperately. Theres not much staff there
[22:10] <LiENUS> well yeah im aware of that
[22:10] <mrdragons> No, the kernel does not need to be loaded to load the kernel, heh
[22:11] <LiENUS> but they should be getting in any day
[22:11] <Davespice> oh okay, so you could overwrite the binary and just reboot?
[22:11] <LiENUS> and i wouldnt expect it to take too long to package them if they've picked out the packaging already
[22:11] <ReggieUK> so you can replace the binary on a live system, because that's all it is, a binary
[22:11] <_inc> LiENUS: not tomorrow
[22:11] <Davespice> okay right
[22:11] <Davespice> thanks for this guys
[22:11] <ReggieUK> np
[22:11] <LiENUS> _inc, maybe they got em in friday lol
[22:11] <ReggieUK> nice to have some worthwhile questions :)
[22:11] <mrdragons> Davespice: You can actually run programs on a machine without a kernel
[22:11] <LiENUS> plus they could offer em for sale tomorrow even if they arent packaged :P
[22:11] <_inc> LiENUS: they havent packaged and shipped the stickers yet
[22:12] <LiENUS> my luck they'll go on sale tomorrow and i'll miss out
[22:12] <Davespice> and what would be the advantage of doing this, the kernal provides things like hardware usage? like ability to use the USB bus?
[22:12] <mrdragons> The kernel makes it a lot more usable. :P
[22:14] <ReggieUK> Davespice, its useful for stuff like bootloaders
[22:14] <Davespice> okay cool
[22:14] <LiENUS> so i think im going to use mine at work for security cameras
[22:14] <uriah> oh no
[22:14] <LiENUS> if it works out i'll have work buy me a replacement
[22:14] <uriah> what a waste
[22:14] <uriah> :((((
[22:14] <Davespice> so any form of extra OS, or an X11 desktop would expect the kernel?
[22:14] <ReggieUK> LiENUS, that's a good idea
[22:14] <ReggieUK> get openCV on it
[22:14] <uriah> hmmmmmmm
[22:14] <uriah> true
[22:15] <ReggieUK> start doing tracking
[22:15] <uriah> that would be an interesting project
[22:15] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[22:15] <ReggieUK> show your boss a video of himself with an overlayed robbers mask as he casually strolls round the office :D
[22:16] <LiENUS> we have cameras already but we need to be able to open the webpage
[22:16] <LiENUS> basicly
[22:16] <LiENUS> we got 3 free tvs with hdmi input
[22:16] <LiENUS> cheap coby led tvs
[22:17] <LiENUS> they're 1080p and have hdmi in
[22:17] <LiENUS> so i plan to mount a raspi somehow to the back and use it as a simple computer
[22:17] <mrdragons> Does anybody have any good resources on compiling a kernel, and cross-compiling for an arm target like the raspi?
[22:18] <mrdragons> I want to add it to teh bot
[22:18] <uriah> my parents have a tv they don't use... i'm hoping i can get it for my birthday :P
[22:19] <mrdragons> I plan to replace the dvd player in my car with a pi, and have the pi act as a kind of multimedia center, complete with (low-spec) games. :D
[22:19] <uriah> emulation ftw
[22:19] <MartijnVdS> NES emulator + Super Mario 3
[22:19] <uriah> lol
[22:19] <mrdragons> Exactly, heh, and xbox controller
[22:19] <uriah> snes donkey kong
[22:19] <hotwings> good luck emulating a nes on that thing :)
[22:20] <hotwings> if you get it working, count me in though
[22:20] <uriah> yeah i have two xbox controllers rigged up to work with usb atm
[22:20] <mrdragons> I'ma hack it into place
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[22:20] <uriah> hotwings: what makes you think it would be difficult?
[22:20] <BarryK> NES will be no problem
[22:20] <uriah> so will snes
[22:20] <BarryK> yeah
[22:20] <uriah> and sega genesis
[22:21] <uriah> earthworm jim here we come
[22:21] <mrdragons> +1 earthworm jim
[22:21] <uriah> basically anything that can run on the GP2X will be able to run twice simultaneously on the raspi
[22:21] <uriah> maybe 2 times
[22:21] <uriah> 3*
[22:21] <hotwings> uriah - what emulator do you think will run on a pi?
[22:21] <uriah> uhm
[22:21] <hotwings> and also have sound for that matter
[22:22] <DaQatz> NES should emu fine on rpi
[22:22] <DaQatz> snes too
[22:22] <mrdragons> Dunno, we'll have to wait and see
[22:22] <uriah> well some of the assembler code involved might need to be rewritten for the pi, but pretty much any open-source emulator could be compiled to work on it
[22:22] <hotwings> compiled and running is one thing.. playable is another
[22:23] <uriah> n64 might even work fine on it
[22:23] <BarryK> well yeah they'll need porting but there's certainly enough power on the pi to run them
[22:23] <DaQatz> N64 is pushing it
[22:23] <uriah> i mean it's a 700mhs system with 256mb ram
[22:23] <hotwings> proper emulation requirements are higher than you think
[22:23] <uriah> and a gpu
[22:23] <DaQatz> Some N4 may some would not
[22:23] <BarryK> ps1/n64 will need serious optimisation on GPU end
[22:23] <uriah> ok
[22:23] <uriah> but raspi is opengl compatible is it not?
[22:23] <BarryK> OpenGL ES
[22:23] <DaQatz> PS1? Yes ps1 should work.
[22:23] <hotwings> i seriously doubt you will get a playable snes emu, much less anything more stressful
[22:24] <DaQatz> Not "fast"
[22:24] <DaQatz> But should work.
[22:24] <hotwings> nes is even questionable
[22:24] <DaQatz> N64 is a little more complexe
[22:24] <mrdragons> How is nes questionable?
[22:24] <BarryK> lol
[22:24] <DaQatz> Nes is in no way questionable
[22:24] <hotwings> dont be fooled by 8bit emulation
[22:24] <DaQatz> You can emu nes on an x86 at 200mhz with plain C fine.
[22:25] <_inc> the pandora emulated nes, wasnt that ARM?
[22:25] <hotwings> you wont be doing that playable, and with sound
[22:25] <DaQatz> Pandora is more powerful then the PI
[22:25] <DaQatz> hotwings, you will
[22:25] <mrdragons> _inc: I believe it used a Cortex 8 though
[22:26] <hotwings> ill believe it when i see it, and wont be holding my breath
[22:26] <_inc> hell, those cheapy ??30 emulator handhelds can do it
[22:26] <Thorn_> but are they out yet
[22:26] <DaQatz> NES was trivial to emulate 10 years ago.
[22:26] <hotwings> also, as i said, compiling & running is one thing.. actually playable is another
[22:26] <BarryK> I've quite a few devices far less powerful than the Pi that easily emulate NES/SNES era consoles
[22:26] <BarryK> Dingoo A320 for a start
[22:26] <_inc> BarryK: thats what I was thinking
[22:27] <_inc> and ive seen that with my own eyes
[22:27] <_inc> it does work
[22:27] <DaQatz> hotwings, my 330mhz laptop with 96 megs ram ran NES full speed with sound
[22:27] <uriah> GP2X is less than half as powerful as raspi, and can emu snes, nes, genesis without a problem
[22:27] <uriah> and it's ARM
[22:27] <Davespice> as far as I know there is no decent Xbox1 emulator in existence, as in one that works with a range of games. I know of one that semi-works with Halo 1
[22:27] <DaQatz> It ran snes as well
[22:27] <hotwings> BarryK - you need to understand that devices dedicated solely to emulation, are typically designed differently from the ground up
[22:27] <DaQatz> Though some games the frame rate would drop
[22:27] <mrdragons> Why is that so hard to believe? 700mhz isn't [i]that[/i] bad
[22:27] <BarryK> the one that works with halo 1 isnt an emulator
[22:28] <BarryK> it converts the executable to x86
[22:28] <uriah> 700mhz is pretty awesome, especially for 25$
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[22:28] <Davespice> exactly... it only semi-works anyway
[22:28] <mrdragons> I'll bet those devices were running a very slimmed version of linux
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[22:29] <uriah> mrdragons: GP2X?
[22:29] <uriah> sort of
[22:29] <hotwings> i feel like some may not understand that when you emulate something you cant just consider only raw mhz
[22:29] <DaQatz> If you want to compare speeds to an x86 that 700mhz is more like 900mhz
[22:29] <DaQatz> If it were a cortex A8 would be like 1.2 ghz
[22:29] <uriah> there was an SDL interface on top of a basic linux distro
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[22:29] <hotwings> you have to understand the codesets and all the subsystems that need to be emulated as well
[22:29] <BarryK> hotwings you need to understand there is no chance the RPI isn't powerful enough to play NES games if it can boot a full linux distro, no one is doubt the emus will need porting, but the power is EASILY there
[22:29] <DaQatz> hotwings, you're right on that one
[22:30] <DaQatz> NES will run full speed.
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[22:30] <uriah> who in here has a GP2X? :D
[22:30] <Davespice> yeah you would have to emulate the x86 instruction set, since the Xbox has a Pentium 100 was it?
[22:30] <hotwings> BarryK - running a full linux distro is far less intensive than running a full speed emulator with sound.
[22:30] <DaQatz> The only issue I ever see with snes is the sound hardware is hard to emulate
[22:30] <BarryK> right
[22:30] <DaQatz> But at 700mhz on arm not much of a problem
[22:31] <DaQatz> Genesis also should not be problem.
[22:31] <uriah> DaQatz: why is the sound hard to emulate?
[22:31] <uriah> sound hardware*
[22:31] <BarryK> the chips they use are hard to imitate in software
[22:31] <uriah> hmm, i see
[22:31] <BarryK> you can get pretty close, but if you're used to the real mcCoy you can tell the difference
[22:32] <hotwings> not exactly.. there are multiple chips, and multiple hardware functions in each
[22:32] <hotwings> the problem with sound is not emulating.. its correctly reversing the functions & math
[22:32] <_inc> oh lordy
[22:32] <DaQatz> Well the snes is pretty well documented now.
[22:32] <DaQatz> Still hard to emulate.
[22:33] <DaQatz> It's sound
[22:33] <hotwings> if you have the math right, its simple
[22:33] <DaQatz> http://www.tested.com/news/why-perfect-hardware-snes-emulation-requires-a-3ghz-cpu/2712/
[22:33] <BarryK> good luck with that
[22:33] <uriah> lol
[22:34] <uriah> 3ghz
[22:34] <uriah> that's untrue
[22:34] <DaQatz> See the word "perfect"
[22:34] <uriah> yeah
[22:34] <uriah> ok
[22:34] <BarryK> perfect != playable
[22:34] <DaQatz> Normally they just "fudge" the sound.
[22:34] <uriah> one thing i hate about the snes
[22:34] <DaQatz> on the snes emu's
[22:34] <uriah> is mario kart
[22:34] <uriah> :P
[22:34] <DaQatz> Causes audio breakup etc..
[22:35] <uriah> hmmm
[22:35] <DaQatz> But will run on low spec systems easily.
[22:35] <uriah> on the gp2x it was pretty good
[22:35] <hotwings> im starting to miss the snes days now
[22:35] <hotwings> was a fun little machine to code on
[22:35] <_inc> yea but its not like most people care about perfect sound representation
[22:35] <ReggieUK> uriah, gpsp?
[22:35] <_inc> only the people who only listen to FLAC
[22:35] <BarryK> no most people cant tell the difference
[22:35] <ReggieUK> or was that just the gba emulator
[22:35] <BarryK> well unless its a really bad implementation
[22:36] <mrdragons> _inc: I listen to flac and I don't even care. :P
[22:36] <DaQatz> Don't expect a DS emu to work right on the r-pi
[22:36] <DaQatz> GBA maybe you will get a good one.
[22:36] <BarryK> my dingo sounds fine, I know it's not the same as the SNES output but it's still sounds great
[22:37] <BarryK> lol no chance of DS, maybe GBA though
[22:37] <LiENUS> anyone familiar with kindle hardware?
[22:37] <DaQatz> Which kindle?
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> only as a user
[22:37] <hotwings> flac lol
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> I have FLAC on my PC
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> which gets converted to MP3 when I put it on my phone
[22:37] <LiENUS> its a 2nd gen kindle
[22:37] <LiENUS> my mom swears up and down it doesnt have 3g but wifi only
[22:38] <LiENUS> and as far as i can tell it doesnt even have wifi
[22:38] <DaQatz> Some may be like that.
[22:38] <uriah> ReggieUK: gp2x is a linux-based handheld gaming device from a few years back... maybe like 5 years
[22:38] <DaQatz> Not as familiar with them
[22:38] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: 2nd gen? which one is that?
[22:38] <Davespice> are there any Risc OS people here?
[22:38] <LiENUS> has a keyboard with rounded buttons
[22:38] <LiENUS> i dunno
[22:38] <LiENUS> 1.5gb space
[22:39] <DaQatz> Would love to see RiscOs running on the R-Pi
[22:39] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: check the manual on amazon?
[22:39] <LiENUS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amazon-kindle-gen2.jpg looks like that
[22:39] <DaQatz> Same with Haiku
[22:39] <Davespice> DaQatz, same
[22:39] <LiENUS> manual only mentions whispernet i just wanna make sure im not missing something
[22:39] <mrdragons> Haiku would be awesome
[22:39] <LiENUS> DaQatz, haiku is that the beos clone?
[22:39] <mrdragons> Yep
[22:39] <LiENUS> ... i just cummed
[22:39] <DaQatz> LiENUS, it's a fork
[22:39] <LiENUS> a fork?
[22:39] <mrdragons> It's more of an open-source reimplementation
[22:40] <DaQatz> Yes they forked the code when BeOS died
[22:40] <DaQatz> Well yes
[22:40] <Davespice> I should go and read the whole RISC OS thread on the forum really, but I am feeling lazy after a heavy weekend and I just want to ask someone :)
[22:40] <DaQatz> All the closed stuff is gone
[22:40] <mrdragons> It doesn't have any/a lot of of the copyrighted original code though
[22:40] <uriah> ReggieUK: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X#General
[22:40] <LiENUS> DaQatz, beos wasnt open source lol
[22:40] <LiENUS> hard to fork it
[22:40] <DaQatz> Parts were
[22:40] <LiENUS> i think the launcher was open source but not much else
[22:40] <DaQatz> Most was not
[22:41] <LiENUS> the only thing they did do that was forky was iirc theyd install beos on a dev machine
[22:41] <DaQatz> Haiku is damn fast and small.
[22:41] <LiENUS> then pick a component and rewrite it
[22:41] <LiENUS> remove the closed source and replace with the rewrite
[22:41] <DaQatz> Good environment to code in.
[22:41] <ReggieUK> uriah, I've been all over that site for stuff
[22:41] <LiENUS> so they did things like the printer services like that
[22:41] <mrdragons> Haiku is really nice, I really do wish it were more popular. :\
[22:41] <ReggieUK> gp2x wiz and leapfrog didj/explorer/pad share lots of stuff
[22:42] <DaQatz> Only real issue I see with Haiku is would be awhile before it got proper graphic support.
[22:42] <mrdragons> True
[22:42] <Davespice> this might seem like another n00b question but, if RiscOS was running on the PI - would you be able to execute the native Binary of the archimedes version of Elite?
[22:42] <uriah> ReggieUK: nice
[22:42] <mrdragons> Davespice: Prolly, if it's arm11 or older
[22:43] <Davespice> really... that would be so amazing
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[22:43] <MartijnVdS> Archimedes was ARM2
[22:43] <MartijnVdS> so "yes"?
[22:43] <Davespice> Quote from the FAQ: The SoC is a Broadcom BCM2835. This contains an ARM1176JZFS, with floating point, running at 700Mhz, and a Videocore 4 GPU
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[22:44] <uriah> ReggieUK: i wonder whether the screen from my gp2x would work on a raspi...
[22:44] <Davespice> old Elite in 1080p... not sure if that would be possible... but oh my god if so :)
[22:44] <ReggieUK> no idea, but you'll have more luck than sightlight :D
[22:44] <mrdragons> Heh
[22:44] <ReggieUK> it'd look terrible at that size
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[22:44] <Davespice> the lines would probably be too thin
[22:45] <ReggieUK> I can't remember the screen res
[22:45] <Davespice> either that or it would just need to be upscaled from the original resolution
[22:45] <Davespice> 320x240 or something?
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[22:45] <MartijnVdS> or use the composite output
[22:46] <ReggieUK> uriah, I've not looked into what they're making available on the pi board but I get the feeling there won't be enough io to interface an lcd directly?
[22:47] <uriah> ReggieUK: sure there will be
[22:48] <ReggieUK> I'm not up on what's actually necessary to drive an lcd
[22:48] <ReggieUK> I know they need specific voltages etc.
[22:49] <Davespice> ah
[22:49] <ReggieUK> but will it be worth it? As I'm guessing you will be pretty much bitbanging it?
[22:49] <Davespice> Archimedes Elite was 320x255
[22:49] <uriah> ReggieUK: oh never mind the wiki page changed :(
[22:49] <uriah> it used to list something that was an interface for a screen
[22:50] <ReggieUK> lvds?
[22:50] <MartijnVdS> ReggieUK: low voltage differential signal
[22:50] <uriah> nope it was something else... something that a lot of smartphones apparently use
[22:50] <MartijnVdS> ReggieUK: a way to communicate with flat panels, in this case
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[22:50] <ReggieUK> MartijnVdS, yup, I am aware, I was trying to jog uriahs memory
[22:51] <uriah> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Screens
[22:51] <uriah> ReggieUK: ^^
[22:51] <ReggieUK> dsi then
[22:51] <ReggieUK> that's a new one on me
[22:51] <uriah> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Screens#interfacing_to_Raw_LCD_panels
[22:51] <uriah> n900 apparently uses it
[22:52] <MartijnVdS> how does it decide between hdmi and composite?
[22:52] <MartijnVdS> does it scale?
[22:52] <uriah> anyway, brb - smoke
[22:52] <uriah> MartijnVdS: it defaults to hdmi if composite isn't in use
[22:53] <mrdragons> Hmm... What happens if you try to use both?
[22:53] <MartijnVdS> uriah: so it detects if there's a circuit?
[22:53] <uriah> mrdragons: it will then default to hdmi
[22:53] <uriah> MartijnVdS: i guess so :P
[22:53] <uriah> brb
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[22:54] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[22:56] <Da|Mummy> thats getting rather annoying to see
[22:56] <ReggieUK> I like that one
[22:56] <slaeshjag> Da|Mummy: Oh hello
[22:57] <Da|Mummy> wtf
[22:57] <Da|Mummy> hai
[22:58] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[22:58] <mrdragons> Dragonbot, slap user Thorn_
[23:00] <mrdragons> Dragonbot, please slap user Thorn_
[23:00] <dragonbot> action slaps thorn_
[23:02] <Thorn_> dragonbot: please kill yourself
[23:02] <Thorn_> your bot sucks, and it always will unless it's running on a raspberry pi
[23:02] <Thorn_> then it wont
[23:02] <Thorn_> but until that day
[23:02] <mrdragons> I think i'ma cry now
[23:03] <haltdef> what kind of bot is it?
[23:03] <mrdragons> Self-coded...
[23:03] <haltdef> ah, what language?
[23:03] <mrdragons> Python.
[23:03] <mrdragons> It's a mess. :P
[23:03] <haltdef> that's probably the best way for me to learn a language
[23:04] <haltdef> python was the language I was eying up .. all of those exercises just bore me so I have trouble sticking with it
[23:04] <mrdragons> Same
[23:04] <mrdragons> I've learned a ton about it coding this, do recommend
[23:04] <haltdef> I learned mirc script by accident that way
[23:04] <haltdef> finding out how to do stuff I had a use for
[23:05] <haltdef> never moved on to anything more useful though :P
[23:05] <mrdragons> Ew, mirc script. :P
[23:05] <cornet> haltdef: http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ :)
[23:06] <haltdef> I don't get it
[23:07] <haltdef> been using http://learnpythonthehardway.org
[23:08] <slaeshjag> mrdragons: Eh, if you think your python bot is mess, you haven't seen mine :P
[23:09] <slaeshjag> is a*
[23:09] <haltdef> it lost me at http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ex27.html :P
[23:10] <mrdragons> Coding python neatly can be hard, because it lets you be so lazy. :P
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[23:11] <mrdragons> I've never seen your bot though, has it been on here?
[23:11] <slaeshjag> nah
[23:11] <haltdef> everyone elses has :P
[23:11] <mrdragons> ^^
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[23:11] <mrdragons> ?hi answerbot
[23:11] <answerbot> undefined
[23:12] <haltdef> is there an irc library you can use in python or did you write the irc protocol into it yourself?
[23:12] <mrdragons> Used the sockets library
[23:12] <haltdef> ah right
[23:12] <mrdragons> So the latter
[23:13] <WASDx> I've used pyirc
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[23:13] <slaeshjag> there it is!
[23:13] <WASDx> took some time to set up and learn but works fine
[23:13] <mrdragons> Hello hallonphanboet!
[23:13] <slaeshjag> phanboet: greet mrdragons
[23:14] <hallonphanboet> mrdragons: Hello
[23:14] <mrdragons> dragonbot: rememeber hallanphanboet hello = Why hello there {nick}
[23:15] <mrdragons> dragonbot: remember hallanphanboet hello = Why hello there {nick}
[23:15] <dragonbot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[23:15] <slaeshjag> phanboet: pet dragonbot
[23:15] * hallonphanboet pets dragonbot
[23:15] <vgrade> anyone have a link to the omx drivers?
[23:15] <haltdef> where/how are you storing those things?
[23:15] <LiENUS> you know what i wanna do...
[23:15] <mrdragons> What's omx?
[23:15] <LiENUS> find a cheap 8" monitor
[23:16] <LiENUS> find a cheap touchscreen controller
[23:16] * mrdragons googles
[23:16] <LiENUS> and built raspi ereaders
[23:16] <LiENUS> donate to schools
[23:16] * haltdef flicks mrdragons
[23:16] <mrdragons> haltdef: me?
[23:16] <haltdef> yes
[23:17] <mrdragons> I did it super-ghetto; I'm storing it in a dictionary which is written to a file and executed on startup. I know it's so wrong. :P
[23:17] <LiENUS> course monitors are damned expensive :/
[23:17] <haltdef> I see
[23:17] <LiENUS> but itd be sweet to put a AA battery pack in it if i can find a monitor with low enough current demands
[23:17] <LiENUS> then allow you to use rechargable batteries and charge it
[23:18] <haltdef> good project for me soonish anyway
[23:18] <LiENUS> or swap to regular batteries
[23:18] <vgrade> mrdragons, openmax code wiich enables , http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4NR57ELY28s
[23:19] <mrdragons> Wow, that's not bad at all
[23:19] <LiENUS> how cheap you guys think i could manage to do such a thing doing all the fabrication myself
[23:21] * NIN101 (~NIN@2001:530::216:3cff:fe71:5e1e) Quit (Quit: NIN101)
[23:23] <ReggieUK> not as cheap as a cheap chinese tablet
[23:25] <mrdragons> Cheap chinese tablets are teh sux0rs though. :\
[23:34] <cornet> haltdef: pythonchallange good fun to work through - if you like solving puzzels
[23:34] <haltdef> I don't
[23:34] <haltdef> nor do I know any python yet :P
[23:37] <WASDx> monswapit
[23:37] <WASDx> wrong chat lol
[23:38] <cornet> haltdef: programming is all about solving puzzles
[23:42] <ReggieUK> or creating new ones :D
[23:47] <ukscone> not that anyone cares but http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/22/video-of-the-development-vm-in-action/
[23:54] <ReggieUK> ukscone, what's sb2?
[23:56] * Da|Mummy (~veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:58] * LiENUS (~yes@99-188-184-130.lightspeed.btrgla.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)

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