#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-23

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <ukscone> ReggieUK: if you don't know by now i ain't telling :)
[0:01] <ukscone> ReggieUK: sb2 == scratchbox2
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[0:08] <ReggieUK> aaaaahhh
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[0:12] <koaschten> ukscone is that a vmware image? *too lazy to check*
[0:12] <ukscone> virtualbox
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[0:15] <LiENUS> anyone know anything about widi?
[0:15] <LiENUS> i was wondering if its something like airplay that could be done as a software soltuion so i could use a raspi as a widi display
[0:15] <LiENUS> or if its actually a hardware thing
[0:16] <Tobias|> You need specific hardware to use widi
[0:16] <LiENUS> darn lol
[0:16] <LiENUS> the raspi airplay stuff does it just play video or can it do display mirroring?
[0:17] <Tobias|> Display mirroring is video
[0:17] <LiENUS> i thought there were two diff video setups with airplay
[0:17] <LiENUS> one for playing videos that just plays the video then display mirrorring where it shows the actual desktop
[0:18] <Tobias|> So far as I'm aware, display mirroring literally just sends the video output of the iOS device in the same way as it sends any other video stream
[0:19] <Tobias|> I assume from the raspberry pi's perspective the two are identical
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[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> greetings all
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> anything happen while I was away?
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> everything
[0:33] <tntexplosivesltd> oh no
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[0:34] <tntexplosivesltd> they were released and I missed it, weren't they? XD
[0:34] <mdavey> yea, all 10k of the first batch have been shipped
[0:34] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:34] <mdavey> on the upside, nice xbmc video and kernel sources are now available
[0:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I would be the most annoyed person in the world
[0:35] <zabomber> mdavey: that's not very nice. I just woke up
[0:35] <mdavey> (they haven't really been shipped yeat ; ) )
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[0:37] <mdavey> Everyone will know a few days before hand, that the store will be opening, before it opens. And R.Pi towers will be sending out emails to those on the mailing lists, and it'll be splashed on the homepage and probably all over the net.
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[0:37] <mdavey> Might even be on TV news.
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> but their server will die =(
[0:39] <mdavey> Well, raspberrypi.org might die (they are planning a hosting move beforehand, but could still happen). But raspberrypi.com shouldn't. So make sure you bookmark the latter.
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[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks
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[0:43] <mdavey> Thinking maybe I should book the week of 6th off as holiday ;) I think we should run a sweepstake, maybe one of the bots could be the bookie?
[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, I wonder how the site will protect against bots
[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm sure they have that covered though
[0:44] <mdavey> tntexplosivesltd: in what way?
[0:45] <tntexplosivesltd> the raspberry.com site
[0:45] <_inc> buy-sniper bots
[0:45] <tntexplosivesltd> yea
[0:45] <mdavey> As long as the postal address is unique and the credit card is valid, I don't think they'll care if its a human or bot ordering. They aren't botist.
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[0:46] <_inc> mdavey is going to be disapointed when his sniper bot fails :)
[0:46] <mdavey> snipe-bot ot sniper-bot? I ain't a terrorist ;)
[0:47] <_inc> sniper-bot to snipe all the snipe-bot owners
[0:48] <mdavey> _inc: :D
[0:48] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: judging by the quality of bots on this channel, I really dont think it would be of concern
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[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[0:49] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
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[0:49] <ukscone> i think they'll get suspicious if this 3 story building has 40 apartments in it and i have 40 ways to spell my name :)
[0:49] <slaeshjag> phanboet: insult _inc
[0:49] <hallonphanboet> _inc: Your mom
[0:50] <_inc> :)
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> why is that spelled weirdly?
[0:50] <Tobias|> US spelling
[0:50] <_inc> slaeshjag: do you have a "buy pi" trigger?
[0:51] <slaeshjag> _inc: No, but if I have it clear of how to implement one, I might have one soon
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> boet?
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> sounds jamaican XD
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[0:52] <slaeshjag> tntexplosivesltd: fanbot -> phanboet -> hallonphanboet
[0:53] <_inc> obviously
[0:53] <slaeshjag> Because most IRC network doesn't allow ?? in nicknames :)
[0:54] <_inc> whats the bot count here?
[0:54] <mdavey> 132
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[1:14] <tntexplosivesltd> why hallon?
[1:14] <tntexplosivesltd> oh feep's here
[1:16] <ewan> saw a raspi in the flesh just now
[1:16] <ewan> it really is tiny
[1:16] <tntexplosivesltd> where/
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * ?
[1:17] <ewan> SCALE10x
[1:17] <ewan> the XBMC had a build running on one
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> what's that?
[1:17] <slaeshjag> tntexplosivesltd: swedish for "raspberry"
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> ewan: scale10x?
[1:18] <feep> tntexplosivesltd: hi
[1:18] <ewan> tntexplosivesltd: linux conf in los angeles
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
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[1:23] <Hideki> hrm, XBMC seems to run nicely in that video
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> it does yes
[1:24] <Hideki> at 1080p too, given my TV only manages 720p I should have no problems
[1:26] <ewan> https://twitter.com/#!/ultrahax/status/161243027518656512/photo/1
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[1:26] <ewan> I have another pic with my credit card beside it for scale, but I'll need to shop out the numbers first :)
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[1:35] <tntexplosivesltd> ewan: is that an alpha or beta board?
[1:36] <tntexplosivesltd> looks like an alpha
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[1:37] <ewan> I'm alpha due to the PSU
[1:37] <ewan> *assuming
[1:37] <ewan> christ, ssh on this wifi sucks
[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> yea lol
[1:37] <ewan> I've yet to attend a conf where the wifi wasn't a huge clusterfuck
[1:37] <tntexplosivesltd> loool
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[1:45] <ewan> https://twitter.com/#!/ultrahax/status/161247534923251712/photo/1
[1:47] <tntexplosivesltd> oh yeah that is the alpha
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[2:13] <mrdragons> Hmm, who's RaspberryPiBot?
[2:13] <mrdragons> Hi dragonbot?
[2:23] * answerbot (~answerbot@p5B2B2B8C.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:23] <feep> ;load qa
[2:23] <answerbot> Defined []
[2:23] <feep> also
[2:23] <feep> ;load uptime
[2:23] <answerbot> Defined [uname]
[2:23] <feep> oops
[2:23] <feep> ;reload uptime
[2:23] <answerbot> uptime reloaded.
[2:23] <feep> ;uptime
[2:23] <answerbot> 01:23:26 up 3 days, 12:07, 4 users, load average: 0.77, 0.53, 0.44
[2:23] <feep> long qemu :D
[2:24] <slaeshjag> !
[2:24] <hallonphanboet> !
[2:25] <feep> !
[2:25] <hallonphanboet> !
[2:25] <feep> /!\
[2:25] <feep> :mgs alert sound:
[2:25] <mrdragons> Hah, nice. :D
[2:26] <mrdragons> ;uptime
[2:26] <answerbot> 01:25:52 up 3 days, 12:10, 4 users, load average: 0.28, 0.42, 0.40
[2:26] <mrdragons> ;sudo rm -rf /*
[2:26] <slaeshjag> calc number of horns on a unicorn acre in teaspoons per beard-second
[2:26] <hallonphanboet> number of horns on a unicorn acre = 4.10521485 US teaspoons per beard-second
[2:26] <mrdragons> 0_o
[2:27] <mrdragons> You know, I think bot programming would be a great way to introduce kids to programming.
[2:27] <mrdragons> We have to have a raspberrypi-bot channel just for that.
[2:28] <mrdragons> There's what, 4 bots minus mine on here right now?
[2:28] <mrdragons> 3*
[2:29] * dragonBot (~dragonBot@c-98-204-134-137.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:29] <mrdragons> come back, dragonbot.
[2:29] <dragonBot> I'ma back
[2:29] <slaeshjag> phanboet: hug dragonBot
[2:29] * hallonphanboet huggles dragonBot
[2:30] <mrdragons> dragonbot, remember hug nick = ACTION hugs {action 4} 
[2:30] <dragonBot> Okay, I'll remember that.
[2:30] <mrdragons> dragonbot, hug nick phanboet
[2:30] <dragonBot> action hugs phanboet
[2:30] <ReggieUK> have you got an exclusion list?
[2:31] <ReggieUK> so that fscking thing doesn't interact with users on the list?
[2:31] <mrdragons> dragonbot, ignore me
[2:31] <dragonBot> mrdragons: Okay, I'm now ignoring your posts.
[2:31] <mrdragons> Like that?
[2:32] <ReggieUK> yeah, that'd be it
[2:32] <ReggieUK> dragonbot, ignore me
[2:32] <dragonBot> reggieuk: Okay, I'm now ignoring your posts.
[2:32] <ReggieUK> so if someone says something like bot hug reggie, it won't?
[2:32] <mrdragons> Si
[2:32] <mrdragons> hi Dragonbot
[2:33] <mrdragons> dragonbot, listen to me
[2:33] <dragonBot> mrdragons: Okay, now I'm listening to you.
[2:33] <mrdragons> hi Dragonbot
[2:33] <dragonBot> Hello mrdragons! This is dragonbot v0.6.
[2:33] <mrdragons> ftr, dragonbot doesn't have to prepend what you're going to say.
[2:33] <mrdragons> Ignore me dragonbot please.
[2:33] <dragonBot> mrdragons: Okay, I'm now ignoring your posts.
[2:34] <mrdragons> But really, I'm in favor of moving to #raspberry-bots
[2:34] <slaeshjag> heh, my bot is of the very stupid kind, it only triggers on the first word (second word if in "speshul list") x]
[2:35] <slaeshjag> (that is, the nick is in the "speshul" list)
[2:36] <slaeshjag> That made the bot work with the IRC bot thing we had on our minecraft server \o
[2:36] <mrdragons> Mine isn't much brighter, it searches for a select few words in the message, some in a particular order, then if not in that list, tries to match it against a dictionary where if it's a certain similarity will send back the message
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I think someone should make an ELIZA bot
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> which will try to make conversation with sightlight all the time
[2:37] <mrdragons> :P
[2:40] <Hideki> dragonBot, status
[2:41] <slaeshjag> bofh
[2:41] <hallonphanboet> The cause of the problem is: Scheduled global CPU outage
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[2:43] <dracolytch> Sanity check... Raspberry Pi discussion room, yes?
[2:43] <Hideki> yup
[2:43] <BarryK> lol yeah
[2:44] <EiNSTeiN_> ShiftPlusOne: hey, I redesigned my hdmi-dvi adapter and I also made a hdmi-vga one
[2:44] <dracolytch> K, I'm working on a text tutorial on how to get up/running with developing ARM software on the RPi development VM. Does anyone know if they've been able to succesfully cobble together an actual RPi VM yet?
[2:45] <BarryK> ukscone has some sort of VM but I've no idea how functional it is
[2:45] <dracolytch> I think a lot of dev is going to happen on full-power machines, but since RPi is supposed to be educational in nature, it also makes sense to do development from RPi itself.
[2:45] <EiNSTeiN_> ShiftPlusOne: did you get yours to work?
[2:45] <slaeshjag> I'm not that active on the boards etc, but getting a ARM emu up and running isn't that hard
[2:46] <dracolytch> I'm a hardcore code monkey... not as strong with the emulation/Linux distro side of things.
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, dracolytch, yeah qemu works just fine.
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> my 'clobbering' is up on raspi.springnote.com
[2:46] <slaeshjag> the main problem is that Qemu is very, very slow
[2:47] <EiNSTeiN_> ShiftPlusOne: I was asking about your hdmi-lvds adapter
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> EiNSTeiN_, I think that's a conversation you had with someone else
[2:47] <slaeshjag> On my workstation, I got performance in the class of Pentium MMX
[2:47] <dracolytch> Hmmm, my underlying machine is very, very fast. Will that help, or is it slow in ways that pure hardware won't help?
[2:47] <EiNSTeiN_> oops sorry
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> qemu isn't slow for basic things... if you're compiling openoffice, then yeah... don't. But if you're just testing to see what works, then it's fine.
[2:48] <slaeshjag> dracolytch: Keep in mind that ARM-Qemu is a emulator, you won't get any hardware acceleration what so ever, you need raw brute force to make anything happen
[2:48] <mrdragons> ukscone released another pi dev VM for virtualbox, I've been using that
[2:48] <dracolytch> Ok, I'll finish this tutorial on getting Hello, World compiled to ARM from a Linux Dev VM, and then I'll poke around with qemu.
[2:49] <ShiftPlusOne> scone's VM is more of a dev environment than a pi emulator.
[2:49] <dracolytch> I'm using the Dev VM that's a week old... but so far as I've seen, it should still be applicable.
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[2:50] <slaeshjag> dracolytch: My workstation is based on a Intel Q6600, although qemu can only make use of a single core. For stuff like basic compiling, it will probably do
[2:50] <mrdragons> ShiftPlusOne: Isn't that why most people are trying to emulate it though?
[2:50] <dracolytch> K, so for the purpose of authoring these tutorials (which is really aimed ad rPi development for Windows developers), that should do the job.
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah 'course, but the original question seemed to be about an ARM VM, not a general VM containing scratchbox and such
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[2:51] <ReggieUK> is there much point using qemu to compile, looking at ukscone video, compiling using scratchbox2 is pretty simple
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, sb2 is great
[2:51] <mrdragons> ShiftPlusOne: Oh, derp, mb
[2:51] <dracolytch> I'm making do with the general VM for now, but yes, an ARM VM would be ideal.
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[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> sb2 also uses qemu to run what you compile, so for text-based stuff you don't need anything else.
[2:52] <mrdragons> Bot yeah, if anyone wants to mess around with bots, I shall be in #bots
[2:52] <mrdragons> But*
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[2:54] <mrdragons> Wait, how does that work? Isn't qemu meant to emulate entire systems?
[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a mode in qemu to just run executables
[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> forget what it's called
[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but you can bind it to arm executables and it behaves as if it's just running natively on your computer
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's called usermode emulation or something like that
[2:56] <mrdragons> Huh
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if you google qemu binfmt and your host distro, you'll find what you have to install to get it working
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> or just use sb2... check ukscones blog
[2:58] <ukscone> I could add some ability to run graphics stuff using qemu but as qemu won't enulate the GPU it rewally is just guestimates
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're using SDL, then it should be just fine
[2:58] <ukscone> what i can garantee by using scratchbox2 is that it will build using the libs in the rootfs and thus run
[2:59] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes if you are using SDL then all is fine but i am waiting for the real hardware so i can add building/running uaing real hardware to the vm
[3:00] <ukscone> them you get the speed of a deesktop to build and thee exact hw to run
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, but you still have to transfer everything manually, right?
[3:00] <ukscone> nope
[3:00] <ukscone> not if you use sbrsh
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> google time
[3:01] <ukscone> remote shell via scratchbox
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> oh nice
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of like android development.... but without the awful.
[3:01] <piofcube> lol
[3:02] <ukscone> i used that one another device -- you can just up/download to/from the device and scratchbox2
[3:03] <ukscone> the main problem with adding standalone qemu emulation to the vm is qemu needs a disk image for system emulation and also there is no equivilent machine to the raspi to use for the system although versitile will do in a panich
[3:03] <ukscone> so i'l be forever buolding diskimes from my seed rootfs
[3:03] <ukscone> s/pamich/pinch
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that was a PITA when I was playing around with rootfs images
[3:05] <ukscone> and i'm sure once the hardware is out noone will care about the vm (other than me :) ) so it'll be a moot point
[3:05] <ukscone> it's served it's purpose (at least for me) so it can be retired to a field with the other retired donkeys
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> with sb2, could you forward the rootfs folder through sshfs straight to the actual device over the network?
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[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> or is there a better way?
[3:07] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes you could but there are better ways and other ways
[3:07] <ukscone> but when we have the real rootfs i can start doing interesting things
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> 'real rootfs'? isn't it just stock debian?
[3:08] <ukscone> nope
[3:08] <ukscone> for a start it won't be debian
[3:08] <ukscone> and which debian version anyway :)
[3:08] <ukscone> sueezey, wheezy or doc
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> well I am completly out of the loop then... when did they drop debian as the default os and why?
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ... is it doing to be... fedora? =(
[3:09] <ukscone> because debian sucks and is evil
[3:09] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, you could do an nfs share
[3:09] <ukscone> and as far as i know it'll be hat shaped
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, yeah, that would probably be better... I just like sshfs 'cause it doesn't require any fiddling.
[3:10] <ukscone> fedora is probably it because that is the distro that gave the most feedback and help
[3:10] <ukscone> the rest just didn't care
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> what about arch? they seemed to have put in a fair bit of work
[3:10] <ukscone> apart from smaller ones liek arch and puppy but they don't count
[3:10] <ReggieUK> but you've got full access to everything before it hits the sd card, so it's not like you're fiddling in the dark
[3:11] <ReggieUK> ukscone, I'll use your vm once the machines out
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[3:11] <ukscone> fedora threw bodies at it and didn't whine
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> what did debian do?
[3:11] <ukscone> as far as i know nothing
[3:11] <ukscone> just didn't seem interested
[3:12] <ReggieUK> simple easy toolchain that I don't have to mess with, that doesn't interfere with my over dev environments and I don't have to remember which env script to run for the toolchain is a win for me :D
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... probably 'cause there wasn't much to do... it just worked
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ... I just hate YUM.
[3:12] <ukscone> the only reason it was even on the alpha boards is that jamesh et all just shoved it on an sd card as it was what they had
[3:12] <ReggieUK> I thought debian gave lots of precompiled stuff via armel?
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I'll use the VM since I cbf setting up my own... let ukscone do the hard work I say
[3:13] <ukscone> fedora just worked too but they put in the effort to work on stuff to make it a nice experience
[3:13] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, kinda, more like I'm too dumb to set the whole toolchain up on my own unless there's a good tutorial involved
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[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, it's not hard to set up, but sb2 has so many options it can be hard to figure out what you need to change and what you need to leave.... at least that was my problem
[3:14] <ReggieUK> used about 4 toolchains for 2 platforms so far, and they're all a pain in the arse in their own sweet little ways
[3:14] <ukscone> i could actually make a script that would do all the hardwork of installing and configuring qemu, scratchbox2, toolchain and rootfs but not sure if i have the desire
[3:14] <ReggieUK> tbh I haven't looked at setting it up properly myself yet
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I had it working, but found rootfs to be too fiddly when transferring stuff to qemu.
[3:16] <ukscone> hmmmm i wonder
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess I could've had qemu and sbrsh working together as well.
[3:17] <ReggieUK> I'm interested in how the vm/sb2 deals with libraries too
[3:17] <ReggieUK> I saw make stuff on the video
[3:17] <ukscone> i haven't tried it yet but i did compile the qemu with sdl support, i wonder if it'd just work in usermode
[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, doubt it
[3:17] <ReggieUK> would doing sb2 ./configure -insane -amount -of -switches work?
[3:18] <ukscone> ReggieUK: sb2 jusy does it but if you are installing a neew one via yum or one you made yourseld use the -eR options
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, sb2 is great with libs
[3:18] <ReggieUK> because that's teh biggest issue I had with getting libs, pre-written stuff compiled on the other platforms
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what does -eR do?
[3:18] <ukscone> emulate and fakeroot
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah, I remember.
[3:19] <ReggieUK> like this for instance:
[3:19] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Didj_and_Explorer_SDL_image
[3:19] <ReggieUK> scroll down to #!/bin/bash
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> you're making want to get back to sb2 and qemu... but deep inside I know it will be a waste of time. I suppose a detailed tutorial would save some people some pain, so I might as well do it.
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, sb2 would handle all of that for you, AFAIK
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[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> as long as you have the libs and toolchain set up in sb2 obviously
[3:21] <ReggieUK> so I'd just need to do the 'normal' ./configure options and not care about the flags, prefix, build etc?
[3:21] <ukscone> pretty much
[3:21] <ReggieUK> that'd be bloody champion :)
[3:22] <ukscone> remembering that somethings might not be compatable like -m32
[3:22] <ukscone> that's an x86ish
[3:22] <ukscone> so it'd have to come out of a makefile if it's in there
[3:22] <ReggieUK> don't think I've ever used -m32
[3:22] <ukscone> i had to take it out of the newlisp makefile just now
[3:23] <ukscone> of course if there is assembler in there it won't work
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, fuck it... time to fiddle with sb2 and write a tutorial.
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right... family friendly channel.... my mistake.
[3:23] <ReggieUK> for that sort of thing we'd end up making a patch, just in case someone re-downloads the source code
[3:24] <ReggieUK> -m32 type of thing that is
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, what was the URL for your blog again?
[3:25] <ReggieUK> http://russelldavis.org/
[3:25] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll learn to spell your name one day
[3:27] <ukscone> heh
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, has qemu been updated since I wrote the tutorial? Is there still the need to compile it from git?
[3:31] <ukscone> yes it's been updated
[3:31] <ukscone> but i still do it from git
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> so the newest stable relsease supports ARM1176JZF-S?
[3:32] <ukscone> as far as i know
[3:32] <ShiftPlusOne> alright thanks
[3:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and did you try qemu usemode with SDL?
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[3:33] <ukscone> that was what i was saying i built both with SDL support just never actually tried it in usermode
[3:33] <ukscone> don't even know if it's supported to work or not
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[3:34] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I thought you were going to try it now
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[3:34] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[3:36] <ukscone> nope watching the giants game
[3:36] <ukscone> only at the computer coz my back hurts so lying on the floor
[3:36] <Da|Mummy> get a TENS unit
[3:36] <Da|Mummy> those things work wonders
[3:36] <DaQatz> Hope you're using a bellytop then.
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, if you get a chance to test it, let us know how it goes
[3:37] <DaQatz> Cause hard to use a desktop while laying down.
[3:37] <piofcube> I have 4 TENS machines... :-)
[3:37] <Da|Mummy> i have 2 cause the first i got sucked
[3:37] <piofcube> Dotted around the house... I don't use them all at once ;-)
[3:38] <Da|Mummy> if you ask me, make sure to get one which has the 4 pads separated, and not all stuck in place by a belt
[3:39] <piofcube> DalMummy: good advice and don't bother with the heated ones... Just a waste of bettery IMHO
[3:39] <piofcube> battery**
[3:40] <Da|Mummy> havent tried heated ones, but my first one also only lasted like 5min off a rechargeable battery, although it did have many more modes than the one i use now(when i need it)
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> did someone recently mention raspberrypi kernel patches being on github somewhere?
[3:41] <piofcube> I had a great little one... about the size of the R-Pi but Boots changed the connectors to force people into buying a new machine... :( Not as good.
[3:42] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: they are on the frontpage of the website
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> oh.. derp
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[3:48] <dracolytch> Ok, Windows developer friendly tutorial on how to get Hello, World compiled and running under ARM using ukscone's VM:
[3:48] <dracolytch> http://dracosoftware.blogspot.com/2012/01/hello-world.html
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[3:51] <PiBot> IT_Sean| That can be our motto! #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet!
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[3:51] <dracolytch> I know some girls who think spreadsheets are more fun than vibrators, you you had best be prepared to back that action up.
[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's possible to have / mounted through NFS (assuming nfs support is compiled into the kernel)?
[3:54] <Da|Mummy> you sure they didnt say "spread under the sheets"?
[3:55] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne: should be
[3:55] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne: You'll need the drivers needed to use the ethernet chip too
[3:55] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne: (compiled into the kernel)
[3:56] <ReggieUK> you can set it up so that it boots with initramfs or the other one and then it loads drivers, sets up networking, then runs the rootfs from the nfs share
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> oh that would be nice
[3:57] <ReggieUK> that's how leapfrog do their firmware updates
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> are there any tutorials for customizing initramfs you could link me to?
[3:57] <ReggieUK> they use a 'surgeon' kernel with the entire rootfs built in
[3:57] <ReggieUK> the whole shebang runs from ram
[3:58] <ReggieUK> nothing off the top of my head ShiftPlusOne
[3:58] <ReggieUK> it's not majorly difficult though
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ok... the plan is to make qemu boot the kernel with what you've described and mount the sb2 rootfs... then when you install new libs in either environments, you don't need to transfer anything...
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure if that'll work, but sounds good to me.
[3:59] <ReggieUK> sounds reasonable, although you don't necessarily need to be that deep
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> but first... update the tutorial to use the 'actual' kernel.
[3:59] <ReggieUK> just mount the normal kernel + rootfs, load the network drivers, mount the nfs share, make sure the nfs share is in your path
[4:00] <ReggieUK> you can then transfer stuff to the sd card if you wish, or if it's a binary, just run it like any other app.
[4:00] <dracolytch> ShiftPlusOne: Was that comment about the tutorial directed at me?
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> dracolytch, it was if you've got one.
[4:02] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, same for libs, as long as the system is aware of places to look for the lib objects then you don't need to fanny around mounting the nfs share as the rootfs
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, nuh, the problem is that if you manually install something into the sb2 rootfs folder, you then need to fiddle with the qemu disk image to get it in there. And if you install libs in qemu, you need to extract them and put them into the sb2 rootfs folder... so that's too fiddly.
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> hence the nfs /.... to make them 1 and the same
[4:04] <ReggieUK> but if the libs exist in the nfs share and the os is aware of them via paths, shouldn't it just work?
[4:05] <ReggieUK> and getting the stuff where sb2/qemu needs it to be, surely it's all highly repeatable and therefore scritable?
[4:06] <ReggieUK> scriptable*
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[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, so you're saying instead of making qemu use mount / from an nfs share, make it the host and have it mounted the other way around?
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[4:08] <ReggieUK> yes
[4:08] <ReggieUK> you can lay it up like a rootfs folder structure, bin, lib, sbin
[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> honestly, I don't like working with qemu disk images, so if I could make an initramfs image which mounts a network share, then it would eliminate all kinds of headaches in the future.
[4:09] <ReggieUK> and then just make sure the env vars are aware of the /nfsshare/bin etc. folders
[4:10] <dracolytch> Ok, so I have source code compiling and working in ScracthBox... Is there much else we can really do until we get our hands on hardware?
[4:10] <ReggieUK> just asking, what's so bad about qemu disk images?
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, if you have something like /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 (a partitioned disk), it's all 1 file, so you need to use offsets to mount a particular partition, for example.
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> or you can have /dev/sda as the partition, which is pretty improper and I feel dirty doing that
[4:12] <ReggieUK> hmmn, sounds like a leapfrog thing
[4:13] <ReggieUK> bootloader on a raw partition, kernel on a raw partition, might have an picture bolted onto it, rootfs is it's own partition, then their proprietary junk goes on it's own partition
[4:13] <ShiftPlusOne> dracolytch, nuh, that's pretty much it, lol
[4:13] <ReggieUK> so not quite a single partition but might as well be in the scheme of things
[4:14] <ReggieUK> their new unit uses an eMMC chip
[4:15] <ReggieUK> they are literally writing the kernel as raw data onto the flash chip (as if it was an sd card) and using offsets to read it
[4:15] <ReggieUK> bootloader is on nor
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> surely that's fiddley to work with
[4:15] <ReggieUK> not once it's scripted
[4:16] <ctyler> (sounds similar to what happens on a guruplug)
[4:16] <ReggieUK> it seems like it's pretty much how a lot of them do it really
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, and also.... with qemu disk images, if you want to have a properly partitioned disk, it may be offset differently depending on how the disk was created. If you create it within qemu, there's a certain offset... and if you create it outside of qemu, there's another. So there's a compatability problem.
[4:17] <ReggieUK> once you know the structure, you can automate the creation of the sd partitions and just dump your files straight into it
[4:18] <ReggieUK> but that's something else that can be scripted can't it?
[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I think you can calculate it using data from fdisk
[4:18] <ReggieUK> the fiddly bits are the first time round and a bit of testing (or lots depending on how much info is to hand :D)
[4:19] <ReggieUK> leapfrog left scripts everywhere
[4:19] <ReggieUK> and of course we had the source code for some stuff
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> don't the scripts then get fiddley because there are so many of them... and then they probably have their own switches and so on
[4:19] <ReggieUK> for these purposes, not really
[4:20] <ReggieUK> they're useful little helper scripts in general
[4:20] <ReggieUK> the stuff that helps speed up dev work
[4:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I think writting the scripts would be just as fiddley as setting up the initramfs image I was talking about
[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> well not really, with qemu it's pretty trivial... but I guess I've made up my mind
[4:21] <ReggieUK> :D
[4:22] <ReggieUK> I don't think there's any one right or wrong way tbh, whatever works is all gravy :)
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> also, the nfs thing would be pretty good for the pi itself, I think
[4:22] <ReggieUK> yes
[4:23] <ReggieUK> pretty much turning it into a thin client
[4:23] <tntexplosivesltd> 0_0
[4:23] <ReggieUK> on that note, I'm off to bed
[4:24] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, O_o ?
[4:26] <tntexplosivesltd> suddenly lots of talking
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> reggies jumps in on the more 'dev' oriented talk
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> *reggie
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> otherwise he just grumbles about kids these days
[4:29] <mrdragons> Heh
[4:29] <mrdragons> True
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> and he has experience with this sort of thing from working with leapfrog, so it's always good to pick his brain.
[4:31] <mrdragons> Definitely, I'm hoping he contributes a lot to the wiki so kids like me can learn a bit. :P
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[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a dedicated wiki yet or are they still on elinux?
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... I see there's a wiki =)
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> oh nope... still on elinux
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[4:42] <mrdragons> Yeah, elinux works for now though
[4:42] <mrdragons> I think the beagleboard wiki is also on there
[4:42] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[4:42] <tntexplosivesltd> dokuwiki ftw
[4:43] <tntexplosivesltd> sould switch over to it
[4:44] <dracolytch> Yeah, I used to have a dokuwiki based site... That really was pretty impressive, and easy to back up/ resore!
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> the raspberrypi seem to have an "if it's not broken, don't fix it" attitude about this sort of things, so I expet that it will stay on elinux
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather "if it's not broken too badly, don't fix it"
[4:45] <dracolytch> You need a pretty compelling arugment to move.
[4:46] <dracolytch> Ok, have the new VM... Time to see how much my tutorials change.
[4:46] <dracolytch> Bloody hell, yeah, problems out of the gate.
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[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> bleh... who the hell maintains qemu's git tree... doesn't work 80% of the time
[5:14] <mrdragons> Whoop, I just finished an editor for my question file for my bot that allows me to easily edit it while the bot is offline. No moar spamming here. ^_^
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[5:15] <dracolytch> Ok, one tutorial updated...
[5:15] <mrdragons> Linky?
[5:16] <dracolytch> http://dracosoftware.blogspot.com/2012/01/developing-in-virtual-machine.html
[5:17] <mrdragons> Pretty solid
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> dracolytch, you're infringing on my tutorial monopoly >=/
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> (good)
[5:18] <dracolytch> Down with the monopolistic tutorial empire!
[5:18] <dracolytch> ;)
[5:19] <dracolytch> You know what's interesting... I'm seeing a lot of videos, but I find for actual tutorial purposes, I prefer text/screens since it's easier to skip bits and pick up where you've left off, etc.
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> can't beat a well written tutorial
[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> 'git clone github.com/raspberrypi/linux' taking a while... =/
[5:33] <DaQatz> Probably under heavy load.
[5:33] <dracolytch> Ok, Hello World tutorial updated
[5:33] <dracolytch> http://dracosoftware.blogspot.com/2012/01/hello-world.html
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[5:42] <ukscone> dracolytch: nice
[5:43] <LiENUS> so any news on the shipmnt?
[5:43] <mrdragons> No, it's not coming tomorrow. :P
[5:43] <ukscone> dracolytch: one of the new advantages of the new vm is if it's in the fedora 13 arm repositories it's a yum away for you to be able to use it
[5:44] <LiENUS> lol it might you dont know
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> 'a yum away'? so close, yet so far.
[5:45] <dracolytch> ukscone: I wasn't sure if the next best move was to go for the arm repositories, or show how to build a c++ program from Anjuta
[5:46] <ukscone> well being able to use precompiled libs is good so why not do nsnake as it needs ncurses-devel from yum
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, and what do you mean only a yum away? does it automagically copy libs to sb2 as well?
[5:47] <ukscone> that was going to be my next vid but i'd need to revert back a few snapshots
[5:47] <ukscone> sb2 -eR yum install puts them were sb2 wants them
[5:47] <ukscone> the yum grabs arm libs
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... I really need to study up on sb2.... too many features >_<. So then my NFS idea is pointless, by the sound of it.
[5:48] <ukscone> thjere are some features of sb2 i want to use but the docs are crap
[5:49] <ukscone> basically man files that say things like " SPEC file can be used here" but no answer to what the SPEC files are or contain
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[5:51] <ukscone> i actually haven't set up of used 90% of what sb2 can do if configured right
[5:52] <Tobias|> Hmm
[5:52] <ukscone> i.e. the NFS server stuff :)
[5:52] <Tobias|> There we are, seeding your torrent, ukscone
[5:52] <ukscone> Tobias|: thanks a lot
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, oh... they already have that built in?
[5:52] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: there is something about it but never got it sussed yet
[5:52] <ukscone> http://dev.man-online.org/man1/sb2-init/
[5:54] <ukscone> but basically the docs for sb2 are man pages and source and the odd simple tutorial for stuff i already know
[6:01] <dracolytch> Hmmm, I'm getting an error when I'm trying to compile nsnake under sb2. ncurses.h - no such file or directory
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ...there's this.... http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Documentation .... that's what thye call documentation.... 7 lines.
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ncurses is a pita with config files... are you sure you have the .so and header files?
[6:03] <ukscone> dracolytch: did you do the sb2 -eR yum install ncurses-devel ?
[6:03] <dracolytch> I just ran 'sb2 -eR yum install ncurses-devel' to try to get the pre-compiled action in via sb
[6:03] <ukscone> and it said it installed?
[6:03] <dracolytch> yes.
[6:04] <dracolytch> I ran it again, to check, and it said the file was there / up to date
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> check that the config scripts checks the right path and that ncurses.h is there
[6:04] <ukscone> ok check to see if the include is in $HOME/raspberry_pi_development/f13arm_rootfs/usr/include
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> you might have to specify where to search
[6:05] <dracolytch> Wait a sec... I think when I double checked I forgot to do it under sb2
[6:05] <dracolytch> Ok, the sb2 install of the lib failed:
[6:05] <dracolytch> Running Transaction Installing : 1:pkgconfig-0.23-9.fc12.armv5tel 1/2 Error unpacking rpm package 1:pkgconfig-0.23-9.fc12.armv5tel error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/pkg-config;4f1cea55: cpio: open Installing : ncurses-devel-5.7-7.20100130.fc13.armv5tel 2/2 Error unpacking rpm package ncurses-devel-5.7-7.20100130.fc13.armv5tel error: unpacking of archive fai
[6:06] <ukscone> ok thought that might be the case
[6:06] <ukscone> there seems to still be a bug in the vm
[6:06] <ukscone> but shoudl be a quick fix
[6:07] <ukscone> go to $HOME/raspberry_pi_development/f13arm_rootfs
[6:07] <ukscone> then do
[6:07] <ukscone> sudo chmod -R 777 *
[6:07] <ukscone> this is outside of sb2 of course
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yay... new NonStampCollector video.
[6:14] <dracolytch> Ok, that worked
[6:14] <ukscone> sorry about that. i didn't need to do that with other rootfs but fedora seems picky
[6:15] <dracolytch> S'okay!
[6:17] <dracolytch> Ok, so it built, and I can verify it's a 32 bit ARM exec... Is there any way to run it though? Says it can't open xterm
[6:17] <dracolytch> (I'm butting near the edge of my Linux knowledge here)
[6:18] <ukscone> file
[6:18] <ukscone> file filename gives you some info about what it is
[6:19] <ukscone> so in the nsnake build dir
[6:19] <LiENUS> so when do we get a raspi that only has a hdmi port and gets power, ethernet, sound, video and everything all over hdmi? :P
[6:19] <ukscone> file ./nsmnake
[6:20] <ukscone> LiENUS: don't hold me to it but sooner than you (we) think or expect
[6:20] <LiENUS> ukscone, you seriously think a raspi with nothing but a hdmi port would someday come out?
[6:20] <LiENUS> itd be pretty spiffy
[6:20] <Tobias|> I wouldn't say HDMI
[6:20] <Tobias|> I'd say thunderbold
[6:21] <Tobias|> thunderbolt*
[6:21] <ukscone> LiENUS: yes and sooner than we think from readign between the lins and muttered comments when eavesdropping
[6:21] <LiENUS> Tobias|, well some form of single port interface
[6:21] <LiENUS> capable of carrying ethernet power video audio
[6:21] <LiENUS> and possibly usb
[6:21] <Tobias|> Would be cool it could handle power over ethernet natively
[6:22] <ukscone> LiENUS: i don't know what it would be but i know theey were upset that the prealpha board didn't prove feasible and they'd love to be able to do it
[6:22] <Tobias|> though I'll just jury-rig something to make it do that myself
[6:22] <ukscone> i.e. hdmi one end and usb ports the other
[6:22] <LiENUS> Tobias|, shouldnt be too hard but id imagine youd need something to regulate the power supply
[6:22] <dracolytch> ukscone: I got the exec type confirmation, but when I try to run nSnake, I unsurprisngly get an xterm error. Is there a way we can run this .exe under sb2 or qemu?
[6:22] <LiENUS> since most poe is at least 12v and raspi expects 5v
[6:22] <ukscone> dracolytch: in the build dir try this
[6:23] <ukscone> sb2 ./nsnake
[6:23] <dracolytch> That's how I got the xterm error
[6:23] <ukscone> what type of error?
[6:23] <ukscone> because i ran it about 10 mins ago
[6:24] <dracolytch> raspberry@raspberrypi-development:~/build/nsnake-1.5/bin$ file nsnake nsnake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped raspberry@raspberrypi-development:~/build/nsnake-1.5/bin$ sb2 ./nsnake Error opening terminal: xterm.
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> You ran that, but not an SDL app? >=/
[6:24] <_inc> morning chaps
[6:24] <_inc> woke up very early this morning
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> and try TERM=linux
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> _inc, ahoy
[6:25] <dracolytch> That did it
[6:27] <ukscone> 80x24 tooand the xterm needs to be >
[6:27] <ukscone> sorry the xterm needs to be >=80x24 too
[6:28] <ukscone> ok still some little niggles with the vm. looks like i might need to do one more release before we get Pi
[6:29] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe have some 'patch' scripts to fix minor errors instead of reuploading gigs of redundant data
[6:29] <ukscone> yup
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> 16% of the kernel download... Jeebus, this is going to take ages.
[6:31] <LiENUS> does raspi have a digital audio output?
[6:35] <LiENUS> erm hmm i guess hdmi would be digital audio output
[6:36] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUS: part of HDMI yes
[6:36] <LiENUS> did we ever find out how much bandwidth the gpio, spi,i2c and i2s stuff has?
[6:36] <tntexplosivesltd> i2c and spi are standards
[6:36] <tntexplosivesltd> so their bandwidth can't be changed
[6:37] <LiENUS> i never could find anything on spi bandwidth
[6:37] <LiENUS> forgot i2c i was able to find
[6:37] <tntexplosivesltd> well i2c is kinda complicated, so its bandwidth isn't that high
[6:38] <tntexplosivesltd> spi will probably e faster, being 4-wire serial and all
[6:38] <tntexplosivesltd> but I have no ideas on numbers
[6:39] <LiENUS> and what about the gpio and uart?
[6:39] <LiENUS> and i2s
[6:40] <tntexplosivesltd> no idea
[6:40] <tntexplosivesltd> uart is probably the standard 2400, 4800, etc
[6:40] <LiENUS> looks like i2c is about 3.4mbits
[6:40] <tntexplosivesltd> uart and stuff are always kinda slow
[6:40] <LiENUS> im curious if anyone of them can provide decent enough bandwidth for running an ethernet connection so usb bus isnt tied up for a media server
[6:41] <LiENUS> doubt it but still curious
[6:41] <tntexplosivesltd> well they're for something completely different
[6:41] <tntexplosivesltd> not nearly fast enough for media
[6:41] <MartijnVdS> well.. do you need the display? :)
[6:41] <MartijnVdS> HDMI bandwidth is high enough ;)
[6:41] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[6:41] <LiENUS> apparently one common use of spi is ethernet
[6:42] <LiENUS> MartijnVdS, somehow i dont think the raspi has ethernet over hdmi
[6:42] <tntexplosivesltd> well, probably slow ethernet
[6:42] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: you'd have to create everything yourself, yes
[6:42] <LiENUS> apparently usb as well
[6:42] <MartijnVdS> there are 100mbit SPI ethernet boards
[6:43] <LiENUS> MartijnVdS, that provide 100mbit over spi?
[6:43] <tntexplosivesltd> probably that's the bus speed
[6:44] <tntexplosivesltd> you'd need to account for overhead
[6:44] <tntexplosivesltd> in actually implementing ethernet
[6:44] <LiENUS> i mean i found a 10mbit i2c ethernet board
[6:44] <LiENUS> but it aint doing no 10mbit actually to the system
[6:45] <LiENUS> not a whole lot of spec info on the raspi :/
[6:51] <LiENUS> looks like shipping cost will only be about 2gbp
[6:52] <LiENUS> i dunno for sure how they'll ship tho
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[7:20] <dracolytch> Anyone home?
[7:20] <MartijnVdS> *tumbleweed rolls by*
[7:21] <MartijnVdS> *sounds of someone playing a mouth organ in the distance*
[7:21] <dracolytch> Huh, guess not...
[7:22] <dracolytch> I'm about to drop another dev. tutorial.
[7:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[7:22] <dracolytch> Anyone want to take a look at it?
[7:22] <MartijnVdS> I only have a few minutes before I go to work
[7:22] <MartijnVdS> but sure
[7:22] <dracolytch> http://dracosoftware.blogspot.com/2012/01/building-program-which-uses-existing.html
[7:23] <LiENUS> welp its officially the 6th anniversary of my 20th bday
[7:23] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: congratifications
[7:24] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: or, as they call it on reddit, "pie day" ;)
[7:24] <LiENUS> why pie?
[7:24] <MartijnVdS> traditional bday food
[7:25] <LiENUS> they do cakes here
[7:25] <LiENUS> im doing a cookie cake
[7:26] <MartijnVdS> not raspberry pie?
[7:26] <dracolytch> The cake is a lie... I suggest going for the pie.
[7:26] <LiENUS> the cake is a lie
[7:26] <LiENUS> it really isnt a cookie or a cake
[7:27] <LiENUS> its probably closer to a pie
[7:27] <dracolytch> The cake is a lie, and the pie are squared... so... yeah.
[7:27] <MartijnVdS> dracolytch: http://tauday.com/
[7:28] <dracolytch> MartijnVds: I have this -- http://www.signals.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi/hzpi/u/cce5eceb1922ad6777a67f242b57474b/hazel.cgi?randomizer=619088384&action=DETAIL&item=HL5861G&template=popup_temp.html
[7:28] <MartijnVdS> dracolytch: 8-)
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[7:47] <dracolytch> Night folks
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[8:11] <Shift_> any idea how the github kernel differs from the official kernel?
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[8:29] <Shift_> Thorn_, you around?
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[8:39] <Thorn_> Shift_ on the bus to work
[8:39] <Thorn_> why?
[8:39] <Shift_> Thorn_, alright, I'll bug you later =)
[8:40] <Shift_> just need to exploit you and host some stuff on your server
[8:41] <Thorn_> sure, ill be behind a pc in about 2hrs so i can do it then
[8:42] <Shift_> nuh, no rush, wouldn't want to bug you at work. I'll just get everything ready for when you're freeish.
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[9:18] <cornet> Shift_: https://github.com/simoncadman/Raspberry-Pi-Kernel-Patch/
[9:20] <Shift_> ah, I was just going through the commits, but that's handy, thanks
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[10:03] <Shift_> hmm =/
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[10:03] <Shift_> anyway managed to compile the kernel?
[10:03] <Shift_> I am getting drivers/mmc/host/bcm2708_mci.c:477:12: error: 'GP_LEV0' undeclared (first use in this function)
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[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> Night all, see you tomorrow at work
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> long weekend ftw
[11:03] <LiENUS> raspi out yet?
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[11:09] <MartijnVdS> LiENUS: every time you ask it gets delayed a bit more
[11:09] <LiENUS> says who
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[11:13] <Anppa> LiENUS, ask a lot, we'll get it just in time for xmas!
[11:13] <LiENUS> score!
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[11:14] <LiENUS> actually i already hijacked the shipment from chyna
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[11:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> just as well there is no place called chyna
[11:26] <LiENUS> place?
[11:26] <LiENUS> chyna is a girl
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[11:33] <MartijnVdS> no, Bowie's song is "China girl"
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[13:51] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
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[13:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[13:57] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Mon Jan 23 12:20:00 2012. Temp 8??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 81%, Later 7??C - 1??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[14:06] <R`> !w
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[14:55] <Davespice> are the forums down at the moment?
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[14:57] <_inc> nope
[14:57] <_inc> the DB drops out quite often
[14:57] <_inc> round about times when people should really be working
[14:58] <victhor_> I wonder why;;
[14:59] <victhor_> :)
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[15:01] <IT_Sean> _inc: what is this 'work' of which you speak?
[15:01] <_inc> beats me
[15:02] <IT_Sean> Is that what i'm sitting in this thing these humans call an "office" for?
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[15:17] <_inc> an office?
[15:17] <_inc> yea i remember them
[15:18] <IT_Sean> I am, in fact, in an office.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> a slightly dull one, by all appearances. White walls. Brown carpet. No windows. Shelves littered with circuit boards, bits of wire, and test equipment. A few PCs whoor away in corners.
[15:19] <feep> You are in an office.
[15:19] <feep> > look
[15:19] <feep> It is slightly dull, by all appearances.
[15:20] <nichobb> I'm on last day of holiday. Squandering it like the previous 2 weeks :-/
[15:20] <feep> White walls, brown carpet. No windows. Shelves littered with circuit boards, pieces of wire, test equipment. A few PCs whirr away in corners.
[15:20] <feep> >
[15:20] <nichobb> i
[15:21] <nichobb> inv (if this is slightly newer text adventure)
[15:21] <feep> > You have a business dress [worn]. You have a plastic spoon. You have a netbook bag {netbook}. You have a high-quality pen you are very proud of. You have a tie.
[15:21] <feep> er, scratch that >
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[15:22] <feep> You have a connection tester. It is beeping quietly.
[15:22] <IT_Sean> north
[15:22] <ahven> no dress, metal spoon, only a desktop, lots of low-quality pens, pretty simple clothes :P
[15:23] <feep> You walk into a wall. Need to work on your spirit-walking skills.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> south
[15:23] <feep> You quietly slip out the door into a sparsely-illuminated corridor.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> look
[15:23] <IT_Sean> (this is good fun :p )
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[15:24] <feep> I didn't actually plan this out any >_<
[15:24] <IT_Sean> i know :p
[15:24] <feep> aaaa I have no idea where you are supposed to be
[15:24] <feep> I have no plot ;_;
[15:24] <feep> give me a minute
[15:24] <IT_Sean> also... i should have a set of car keys in my pocket. Just saying.
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[15:25] <nichobb> this is where you manufacture a crash and require reload (but I want irritating sound and flashing colours)
[15:25] <Thorn_> Shift_: here
[15:26] <feep> You are standing in a sparsely illuminated corridor. The place seems deserted; the emergency lighting is on. You cannot hear anything. You can see a strange, shifting light pattern on the wall. It seems to come from a window at the end of the corridor.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> examine window
[15:26] <feep> You have died. Try again?
[15:26] <nichobb> Y
[15:27] * feep is a dick.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> y
[15:27] <IT_Sean> and yes, he is.
[15:27] <feep> You are in an office.
[15:27] <nichobb> Hide
[15:27] <IT_Sean> exit
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> throw chair at window, escape.
[15:27] <feep> You hide under the desk. You are filled with an aimless dread, although you don't know why. Feels like somebody walked over your grave.
[15:27] <feep> Your room has no windows.
[15:27] <feep> You quietly slip out the door.
[15:27] <feep> You are standing in a corridor.
[15:28] <nichobb> Use tester
[15:28] <_inc> examine inventory
[15:28] <feep> The CONNECTION TESTER is making a quiet beeping sound. It seems to have an indicator LED on it; it stands at one bar. You don't know what this means.
[15:28] <nichobb> Throw at window
[15:28] <feep> Throw what at the window?
[15:29] <nichobb> Throw tester at window
[15:29] <feep> The tester bounces off the window with a >plink<.
[15:29] <feep> The sound seems wrong.
[15:29] <nichobb> Run south
[15:30] <feep> There is a door there.
[15:30] <nichobb> Open door
[15:30] <feep> You open the door. Another cubicle, just like yours (.. yours?) lies behind it.
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[15:31] <MartijnVdS> open all drawers
[15:31] <nichobb> Find rope and hang self
[15:31] <feep> There are no drawers here.
[15:31] <feep> There is no rope here.
[15:31] <feep> There is no escape.
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[15:31] <IT_Sean> exit building to carpark
[15:32] <feep> You take the elevator to the garage. There are many cars here.
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> kick a random car
[15:32] <IT_Sean> invintory
[15:33] <feep> You kick a car in a fit of rage. The car alarm comes on .. but a moment later than it should. Its screeching echoes in the garage.
[15:33] <feep> IT_Sean: same as last time, plus your key I guess
[15:33] <IT_Sean> press button on key fob
[15:34] <feep> You find your car by the flashing lights. I have no idea about kinds of cars, so I guess whatever model you like.
[15:34] <feep> Pick something appropriate.
[15:34] <IT_Sean> enter car, start engine, drive out of garage
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> Aston Martin DB9
[15:34] <nichobb> A blue car
[15:34] <IT_Sean> MartijnVdS: that's hardly aproperate for an office drone
[15:34] <feep> You carefully leave the garage, eyes fixed ahead.
[15:34] <feep> You have died.
[15:34] <feep> Try again?
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: Maybe he's the boss?
[15:34] <IT_Sean> no
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[15:35] <feep> there is actually a reason for the deaths btw
[15:35] <feep> they're not random.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> clearly, if i go outside, i get shot.
[15:35] <feep> nope
[15:35] <IT_Sean> no?
[15:35] <feep> nope.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> was i not wearing a seatbelt, or something?
[15:35] <feep> eh, if we're ending it here I'll spoil it :D
[15:35] <IT_Sean> spoil it.
[15:35] <feep> you're in a simulation
[15:35] <feep> the outside literally doesn't exist
[15:35] <feep> if you try to look outside, the sim crashes and restarts
[15:35] <IT_Sean> I wondered if it were a dream, or some sort of non-reality
[15:35] <feep> you're an upload attempt that has brain damage
[15:36] <_inc> deep man
[15:36] <feep> that's why the car alarm came on a moment too late
[15:36] <feep> they had to pause you and code that in
[15:36] <nichobb> Hey, not so much of the upload. ..
[15:36] <feep> that's also what the connection tester is for
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[15:36] <IT_Sean> What a crap existance that would be, suck in an office for eternity.
[15:36] <IT_Sean> that's dark.
[15:36] <feep> IT_Sean: well you were an office drone
[15:37] <feep> they thought it'd be a setting you were used to.
[15:37] <feep> easy to code too.
[15:37] <IT_Sean> couldn't they have had me spending eternity on a desolate beach somewhere?
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> so is a fractal forest
[15:37] <feep> beaches are hard
[15:37] <feep> fractals are hard
[15:37] <feep> office buildings are cheap
[15:37] <feep> cheap to _fake_ most importantly
[15:37] <feep> nature has details
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> feep: so do fractals
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Did they at least give me a good car? I mean... i can at least drive it around the garage, right? :p
[15:38] <feep> MartijnVdS: yes but they're not the _same_ details
[15:38] <feep> IT_Sean: haha
[15:38] <feep> IT_Sean: I didn't think that far. I don't even know why you're in there
[15:38] <feep> options are consensual experiment, noncon experiment and medical reasons
[15:39] <feep> but yeah, moving on! :D
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[15:42] <_inc> those are called MUDs, right?
[15:43] <_inc> (haven't played those games since commodore 64)
[15:44] <piofcube> I was thinking of doing something with MUDs/MUSHes on the R-Pi
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[15:44] <_inc> you could start now
[15:44] <feep> technically, they're adventure games
[15:45] <feep> or interactive fiction
[15:45] <feep> or quests
[15:45] <feep> MUDs are the multiplayer online form.
[15:45] * IT_Sean has a load of the INFOCOM series tucked away somewhere
[15:45] <piofcube> Would be good for learning programming if it's something like FluffOS
[15:45] <feep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_fiction
[15:45] <feep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game
[15:45] <Shift_> hello
[15:45] <feep> http://tgchan.org/wiki/Main_Page the modern form
[15:45] <IT_Sean> hullo
[15:46] <piofcube> Many an hour consumed on Discworld MUD back when... ;-)
[15:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> nothing beats nethack
[15:47] <feep> df:nethack = emacs:vim
[15:47] <feep> well, more like kde:vim
[15:47] <piofcube> I liked Angband but that's not the same as a true MUD ;-)
[15:47] <feep> but yeah, quests are basically the current incarnation of this model
[15:48] <feep> http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ruby_Quest recommended reading
[15:49] <_inc> what was that game where you had to get supplies for a venture across the desert
[15:49] <Shift_> Thorn_, seems like there is no need. I was going to update the kernel patch for the official kernel, but instead, I'll find a way to use those unpatched.
[15:49] <_inc> and you plog along on your horse and wagon
[15:50] <_inc> * plod
[15:52] <_inc> The Oregon Trail
[15:52] <_inc> well heres the zombie spinoff - The Organ Trail: http://hatsproductions.com/organtrail.html
[15:52] <Shift_> _inc, yeah... the name escaped me. I was sitting here trying to figure it out.
[15:52] <IT_Sean> I was just about to mention the zombie one, _inc
[15:53] <IT_Sean> I remember playing the Oregon Trail in school... on an old Macintosh, the exact model of which now escapes me
[15:56] <piofcube> I remember playing the original capture the flag... Was quite a lot of fun.
[15:56] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:57] <IT_Sean> It's more fun with paint ball rifles.
[15:57] <piofcube> :-)
[15:57] <IT_Sean> Well, it is.
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[15:59] <piofcube> I'm trying to work out a neat/cheap method to power 5 Mini-ITX mobos. They will be mounted in a single custom case. I would prefer not to use 5 PSUs.
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[16:01] <victhor_> use a large PSU and lots of Y splitters?
[16:01] <piofcube> I was thinking that but not sure about pin 8 (power good signal)
[16:01] <IT_Sean> that sounds like a Very Bad Idea.
[16:01] <piofcube> the boards are 60watt max
[16:02] <IT_Sean> What about using 5 small 12v Mini-ITX PSUs. Run them all off the same, beefy, 12v supply?
[16:02] <IT_Sean> I know you cna get a small 12v Mini-ATX psu for car-pc use... I'd imagine you could get one in mini-itx.
[16:02] <piofcube> Yeah... That's what I was going to do but was wondering if there was another way
[16:03] <IT_Sean> That's prboably your best bet.
[16:03] <IT_Sean> But... why are you putting 5 boards in one case?
[16:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:04] <Shift_> Beowulf cluster, obviously! >=/
[16:04] <piofcube> I need four units to produce video out and the 5th will act as a video switch/mixer.
[16:04] <IT_Sean> isn't that massive overkill ?
[16:04] <IT_Sean> you need an entire PC to do video switching?
[16:05] <piofcube> These are low spec/cheap boards and the power saving is atractive :-)
[16:05] <Hopsy|2> one week left
[16:05] <Hopsy|2> for februari
[16:06] <IT_Sean> so?
[16:06] <piofcube> If possible I'd probs use the 5th to record and stream the video also
[16:07] <Hopsy|2> IT_Sean: It wasnt allowed to buy more then one product right? how will they check this?
[16:07] <IT_Sean> It's by shipping address.
[16:07] <Hopsy|2> address? profile name?
[16:07] <Hopsy|2> ow
[16:07] <Hopsy|2> :(
[16:07] <IT_Sean> The one per limit is temporary.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> If you want more than one, simply wait a bit.
[16:08] <IT_Sean> The idea is to get raspis into as many hands as possible to spur devlopment. It doesn't to anyone any good for one person to buy ALL of them.
[16:08] <Hopsy|2> I will be happy if I had one
[16:08] <Shift_> From the forum - " In addition we arn't talking x86 compiled code anyway, ARM uses denser code."
[16:09] <Hopsy|2> yes, understood
[16:09] <Shift_> How is that possible considering that it has a smaller instruction set?
[16:09] <IT_Sean> When a modem starts making screechy noises all on it's own, that means it needs to be bashed in with a blunt object. right?
[16:10] <mrdragons> Indeed
[16:10] * IT_Sean grabs a blunt object, and goes into the office across the corridor
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[16:10] <piofcube> it has to be a heavy, blunt object...
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[16:11] <piofcube> Fire extinguisher is always a good bet
[16:12] <Shift_> yup, only you can prevent server downtime.
[16:16] <amazoph_> Shift_: afaik, the instructions it uses are RISC - simpler compared to x86 assembly, but you generally need more instructions to perform the same op
[16:18] <Shift_> exactly.... so why do they say you get denser code.
[16:18] <Shift_> (they are saying you don't need as much RAM as you would on x86, because the code is denser... which doesn't make sense to me)
[16:19] <mrdragons> Wait wat
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[16:22] <mrdragons> I plan to use the Pi to learn a bit more on assembly, it's a lot of fun programming in it when you don't need anything done particularly quickly.
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[16:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> Arm assembly is differant .. it's very eduacational
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[16:24] <Shift_> mrdragons, it's simpler than x86. I wouldn't call it quirky.
[16:24] <IT_Sean> The fire extinguisher did the trick. The modem has been silenced.
[16:24] <mrdragons> 0_o
[16:26] <Shift_> mrdragons, for example... x86 has so many instructions that it's hard to know about all of them. With RISC, the idea is to cut it down to what you'll actually use. So sometimes you might need to use several instructions instead of a single instruction, but it's still simpler.
[16:26] <mrdragons> Yep, that's why I want to learn it
[16:26] <mrdragons> I know it's a good bit different
[16:27] <Shift_> It's like working with addition and subtractions instead of the entire function set of maths. In many ways it's simpler, but it might take a few more steps.
[16:27] <Shift_> so back to my question... wtf is this about denser code?
[16:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> Shift_ URL me - but x86 has more bloatage in it's instruction set
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[16:30] <Shift_> this makes no bloody sense and my leg is itchy! >=/
[16:30] <IT_Sean> scratch it
[16:31] <Shift_> I did, but it's a mosqito bite, so it just gets more itchy a bit later! >=/
[16:31] <Shift_> and doesn't solve the "denser code" nonsense.
[16:31] <IT_Sean> mosquitos are buggers.
[16:32] <IT_Sean> GAH! Modem of Death still making noises despite being bashed in by a fire extingusiher!
[16:32] * IT_Sean wonders if he used the wrong sore of extinguisher.
[16:33] <Shift_> I think you need the carbon dioxide extinguisher for electrical problems.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> we haven't got those.
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[16:35] <ahven> today has been a pretty slow today, too lazy to do anything fast on monday
[16:35] <ahven> there's the rest of the week for picking up the pace :P
[16:38] <Shift_> O_o http://www.google.com.au/search?q=santorum
[16:38] <Shift_> o_O
[16:38] <WASDx> :D
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[16:40] <ahven> mmkay :)
[16:45] <Shift_> Hmm, I see the forum software is still awful.
[16:45] <Shift_> ah well, as long as it's not Mingle, I'll live with it.
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[16:53] <Shift_> ok, so it seems that ARM has something called Thumb which is the common instructions in 16bit opcodes. So even though there may be more steps, the individual instructions take up less space and that helps with code density. Can't find any comparison to x86.
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[16:57] <ctyler> Shift_: thumb 1 mode (i.e., thumb on <ARMv7) does not have a significant advantage in most workloads, because thumb can't represent all opcodes and the CPU ends up switching between instruction sets. Experiments by students at Seneca indicated that the performance penalty was significantly larger than the code size reduction. The story is different on ARMv7 and higher with thumb2, but then in ARMv8, thumb2 is being dropped entirely.
[16:57] <ctyler> Thus, overall, thumb is a novelty but not all that useful.
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[16:59] <LiENUS> i prefer elbow mode
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[17:00] <IT_Sean> elbow mode?
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[17:00] <Shift_> IT_Sean, (it's a joke)
[17:00] <Shift_> because... ARM... Thumb.....
[17:00] <Shift_> see what he did there?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> (i gathered. It wasn't a very good one, though)
[17:01] <Shift_> well, we take what we can get around here.
[17:01] <Shift_> ctyler, yeah it sounds like a good idea, but no sure how practical it is. I am just curious to see a code density comparison to x86.
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[17:06] <ukscone> Shift_: compare the file sizes of tinybc.x86 and .arm -- i think the .arm ver is smaller by a bit (at least i remember it was) so there's your "proof" arm is denser :)\
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[17:07] <ukscone> tinybc filesizes are int he vid i posted :)
[17:08] <Shift_> ah thanks. Not very conclusive, but interesting.
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[17:09] <ukscone> yup not exactly proof although it does seem to be the case that most of the time the binaries are a few k smaller for arm than x86 but that could be better stripping, what's in the libs.....
[17:10] <Shift_> I guess a few k here and there would add up with 512MB RAM
[17:11] <mrdragons> Huh, cool. Thanks for clearing that up a bit ukscone
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[17:37] <ctyler> Looking at F15 binaries, looks like the ARM code is 8-20% smaller than the x86_64 code. But the total installed package sizes aren't that much smaller, due to data files, configs, documentation, etc.
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[17:39] <Shift_> yeah, but the data files shouldn't affect RAM usage
[17:39] <ukscone> if anyone is interested here is another q&d screencast of the vm in action -- newLISP this time and a bit of yum'img
[17:39] <Amnesia> hm am I the only one thinking the fact sucks that a sd card is only supported by the bootloader (by default)?
[17:39] <Shift_> so for RAM, an 8-20% increase is great. you can fly to the moon on that.
[17:39] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/23/building-newlisp-for-the-raspberry-pi-using-the-development-vm/
[17:39] <IT_Sean> Amnesia: yes.
[17:39] <ctyler> Shift_: depends on whether they're in RAM :-) e.g., game data, graphics, etc.
[17:40] <Amnesia> IT_Sean: sd's lifespan is crap^^
[17:40] <IT_Sean> Amnesia: not really.
[17:40] <Shift_> well normall you'd just load up the variables you need and close the file rather than keeping the whole thing in RAM.
[17:41] <Amnesia> meh guess, there'll also come alternative bootloaders:)
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[17:42] <rm> Amnesia, what else should it support?
[17:42] <Amnesia> usb for example?
[17:42] <rm> an usb... what?
[17:42] <ctyler> Shift_: I agree, but for many types of SW the data exceeds the binary text by quite a bit
[17:43] <Shift_> ctyler, doubt that's the kind of software people would be running on the pi, but fair enough.
[17:43] <rm> USB flash sticks do not have a higher lifespan than SD cards, in fact most likely shorter
[17:43] <Shift_> Amnesia, the bootloaders would still be loaded off the SD card.
[17:43] <Amnesia> o0 o'rly?
[17:43] <IT_Sean> yah rly
[17:43] <rm> and using a noisy vibrating USB hard drive is just ewww :)
[17:43] <IT_Sean> SD FTW
[17:43] <Amnesia> hm, the bootloader isn't located in some sort of eeprom?
[17:44] <IT_Sean> also, SD cards are relativly cheap. So, in a couple years, if it's worn out, you can easily replace it.
[17:44] <Amnesia> true that
[17:44] <ctyler> Amnesia: the SD *is* the eeprom
[17:44] <Amnesia> ah 'k :)
[17:44] <Amnesia> thanks for clearing that up
[17:44] <rm> ctyler, there's even smaller whateverROM that reads "the GPU binary" from the SD card
[17:45] <rm> not sure if that one is flashable
[17:45] <Amnesia> but will you folks be installing the os itself on the sd?
[17:46] <ctyler> rm: it's not
[17:46] <Shift_> Amnesia, I will be, but I'll surely play around with NFS.
[17:47] <Amnesia> heh
[17:47] <haltdef> usb to sata for an ssd would be fun
[17:47] <haltdef> if a bit expensive
[17:47] <IT_Sean> Amnesia: yes, the OS goes on the SD card.
[17:47] <rm> you can have the cheapest 128 megabyte SD card with a /boot partition
[17:47] <rm> and from there it can boot anything
[17:47] <rm> USB hdd, network, whatever
[17:47] <Shift_> turns out you can pass an NFS root straight to the kernel, so there's no need to fiddle with initramfs or anything like that.
[17:47] <rm> a bit of tinkering will be required
[17:47] <hamitron> haltdef, usb to sata is not as good as native sata though :/
[17:48] <haltdef> we don't have native sata
[17:48] <rm> but I'm sure ready-to-flash images for this sort of thing will be available from folks
[17:48] <IT_Sean> USB to SATA would be no better than just USB, though,. i would think.
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[17:48] <rm> right
[17:48] <IT_Sean> So, no benefit to using a new, expensive, SATA drive.
[17:48] <haltdef> usb flash drives don't do 30MB/s+ random 4k reads and writes
[17:48] <IT_Sean> (i.e. you may as well just pull a dusty old PATA drive w/ a USB bridge onnit off the shelf)
[17:49] <haltdef> maxing out usb on randoms is still pretty damn fast, even if usb is the bottleneck
[17:49] <hamitron> SSD on USB 3.0 isn't great though, there is some "delay"
[17:50] <hamitron> with 256Mb ram, I reckon could use a chunk for that for a virtual drive
[17:50] <hamitron> :D
[17:50] <Amnesia> hm can't wait to play
[17:51] <Jaseman> well you;ll just have to
[17:51] <hamitron> unless you play with what you already got
[17:51] <hamitron> :)
[17:51] <Jaseman> lol
[17:51] <haltdef> hamitron, that might just be the way to go, load everything into a ramdisk
[17:52] <haltdef> for a server-type raspi anyway
[17:52] <hamitron> haltdef, it is certainly the way I shall go
[17:52] <hamitron> I'd like to also roll out that idea to other machines here
[17:52] <haltdef> linux will duplicate anything you execute from your ramdisk into the remaining free ram, won't it?
[17:53] <haltdef> which we can't really do with 256MB
[17:53] <hamitron> linux will cache what it can, yes
[17:53] <Amnesia> any releasedate known yet?
[17:53] <Jaseman> they said end of january
[17:53] <haltdef> no, I mean when you execute a binary it's loaded into the ram
[17:54] <Jaseman> isn't that enough?
[17:54] <haltdef> linux will attempt do to the same now knowing / is a ramdisk, right?
[17:54] <hamitron> I can't see the problem tbh
[17:54] <haltdef> we don't have tons of ram to play with
[17:54] <hamitron> we do ;)
[17:55] <Amnesia> neat
[17:55] <Shift_> why would you use a ramdisk?
[17:56] <hamitron> speed, why not?
[17:56] <Jaseman> if you're using it on a network not as your main machine, I gues you wont need a screen attached, since yuo'll be ssh'ing into it or telnet
[17:56] <Shift_> because that's something you do when you have ram to spare
[17:57] <hamitron> probably not a good idea if you are wanting to run something like firefox
[17:57] <hamitron> or any beasty GUI app
[17:57] <hamitron> but I'm thinking, for a base OS, for simple tasks
[17:57] <Shift_> if the app will have much of an improvement being run from RAM, then it's probably a beasty app with lots of dependencies in the first place
[17:58] <hamitron> the machine I use atm only has 24Mb RAM
[17:58] <Shift_> if it's simple tasks, then it will run from the SD just fine
[17:58] <hamitron> flash memory has limited life for multiple writes
[17:58] <Jaseman> you only have 24mb of ram?!
[17:58] <Shift_> limited life, but not terribly expensive
[17:58] <hamitron> Jaseman, in one of my machines, yes
[17:58] <LiENUS> so how long you think it'll be before someone manages to desolder the ram pop and replace it with a bigger one?
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[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> not really that easy at all...,
[17:59] <Jaseman> mor e than enough
[17:59] <Shift_> LiENUS, impossible
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[17:59] <Jaseman> spectum had 48k
[17:59] <hamitron> Jaseman, target something with less resources, and it will always run good on a machine with more ;)
[17:59] <hamitron> well, mostly
[17:59] <Shift_> consider the computing resources that were around when they flew to the moon
[17:59] <LiENUS> Shift_, about 10 years ago someone said playing divx movies on the sega dreamcast was impossible
[17:59] <Jaseman> i wonder what you could run on 48k these days
[18:00] <LiENUS> http://dcemulation.org/?title=DCDivX turns out it wasnt
[18:00] <Shift_> LiENUS, it's not simply soldered on and I think there's a limit to what the ARM processor actually supports... and I think it might be maxed with the 512mb chip
[18:00] <hamitron> Street Fighter II runs on 128k
[18:00] <hamitron> ;)
[18:01] <LiENUS> Shift_, theres amodel with a 512mb chip?
[18:01] <IT_Sean> LiENUS: it'll never happen
[18:01] <Shift_> no, I am just tired and got confused..
[18:01] <Jaseman> true - nintendo ds games are all that size or smaller
[18:02] <hamitron> tbh, console games are a good example of making better use of resources, compared to their PC versions
[18:02] <Shift_> Jaseman, when something is designed around specific hardware, it's normally much more efficient because developers have constraints. Otherwise they just say "duh, your computer is crap".
[18:02] <Jaseman> if the pi can surf the net well...
[18:02] <Jaseman> it will be a success just for that reason
[18:03] <IT_Sean> It can. Sort of.
[18:03] <Shift_> depends on what you mean by well
[18:03] <IT_Sean> No flash.
[18:03] <hamitron> it depends on the content you are expecting it to render, I'd guess
[18:03] <Shift_> For me, 'well' means being able to open a gajillion tabs to "get around to" later.
[18:03] <IT_Sean> Toss Lynx on it, and do all your surfing in text only.
[18:03] <LiENUS> if it cant run flash sounds like a plus to me
[18:03] <hamitron> lynx will work 100%
[18:03] <victhor> PS3's also have 256 MB of RAM... but they don't have a huge HL OS using a lot of that memory...
[18:03] <hamitron> ;)
[18:03] <IT_Sean> hamitron: beat you to it :p
[18:03] <hamitron> damn >:|
[18:04] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:04] <IT_Sean> neener neener neened
[18:04] <IT_Sean> *neener
[18:04] <Shift_> elinks would probably be the way to go
[18:04] <Shift_> or links2
[18:04] <hamitron> :D
[18:04] <LiENUS> w3m
[18:04] <hamitron> frames are evil :/
[18:04] <Shift_> since it can use the framebuffer
[18:04] <Shift_> (and therefore display images)
[18:04] <Jaseman> it needs to run the main websites...
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[18:05] <Jaseman> facebook, bbc iplayer
[18:05] <hamitron> imo people should be saying "what can we get the pi to do?", not "does the pi do this?"
[18:05] <Jaseman> and starfleet commander!
[18:05] <IT_Sean> hamitron: YES.
[18:05] <Jaseman> well it will be a big contest
[18:05] <Jaseman> i got this to work
[18:05] <Jaseman> im running this look at me with my big clever head
[18:06] <Shift_> Jaseman, I wish.... people aren't that willing to step up
[18:06] <Jaseman> i think they will be...
[18:06] <hamitron> I personally want Minix 2 on it
[18:06] <Jaseman> people like to show off
[18:06] <hamitron> :))
[18:06] <Shift_> Jaseman, yeah, but most people lack the technical knowledge to be able to in this case
[18:07] <Shift_> though even with the limited number of dev boards, people are already doing great things out there
[18:07] <Jaseman> theres a lot of very clever boffins in the pi forums
[18:07] <mrdragons> Indeed
[18:07] <Jaseman> even with none its doing well
[18:07] <IT_Sean> and they are doing very clever boffin-ey things.
[18:08] <Jaseman> yeah building kernels
[18:08] <hamitron> building laptops with proto board and a few resisters
[18:08] <hamitron> ;)
[18:08] <mrdragons> :P
[18:08] <Shift_> building a kernel isn't really clever, lol.
[18:08] <Jaseman> is it to most people in the world
[18:08] <Shift_> hamitron, he's also using 5v capacitors!
[18:08] <mrdragons> That's not saying a lot...
[18:09] <hamitron> Shift_, you lost me now ;D
[18:09] <gobby> Writing patches for the Kernel is reasonably clever but no typing make isn't! ;)
[18:09] <Jaseman> i bet most people in my office dont know what a kernel is
[18:09] <hamitron> gobby, unless you are dyslexic
[18:09] <hamitron> ;/
[18:09] <Shift_> hamitron, he drew a schematic diagram.... he's putting "5v capacitors" in parallel to get a 5v output.
[18:09] <Jaseman> im not sure about it myself and i've worked in IT for 25 years
[18:09] <gobby> hamitron: good point
[18:09] <hamitron> Shift_, oh noes ><
[18:10] <Shift_> hamitron, http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396301_2840536264605_1595264811_32499873_251382786_n.jpg enjoy
[18:10] <hamitron> way i like at it, I won't be the best.... but a good device to push yourself and have fun
[18:10] <Jaseman> i dont know why but.....
[18:11] <hamitron> Shift_, I can't live with this
[18:11] <hamitron> ;/
[18:11] <Jaseman> i have this compulsion to see a rasperry pi going down a river in a paper boat
[18:11] <Jaseman> and its turned on
[18:11] <hamitron> hehe
[18:11] <hamitron> I want a moon landing :/
[18:11] <Jaseman> mars i reckon
[18:12] <Jaseman> who will be the first to put one on mars
[18:12] <IT_Sean> moon is closer
[18:12] <hamitron> I don't like to aim too high
[18:12] <victhor> Shift_, he will learn when the magic smoke comes out
[18:12] <Shift_> out of his ears, maybe.
[18:12] <hamitron> tbh, burning electronics smell rather nice :/
[18:12] <IT_Sean> Shoot for the moon! When you miss, you are only out ??25
[18:12] <hamitron> IT_Sean, plus fuel
[18:13] <hamitron> :)
[18:13] <IT_Sean> and sheilding
[18:13] <victhor> +money for the launching vehicle
[18:13] <IT_Sean> but, the joke stands
[18:13] <hamitron> and the fine for "aggression" on NASA
[18:13] <IT_Sean> A functioning raspi based moon rover would be AWESOME!!!!!
[18:13] <Shift_> and it will be a waste because people will believe that the raspberry pi moon landing was a hoax
[18:13] <hamitron> or china shooting your Pi out of the sky
[18:13] <hamitron> :/
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Raspi based satellites?
[18:13] <victhor> it would be one heck of a powerful rover... the ones in Mars don't have very powerful hardware...
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> for the German (CCC) idea?
[18:13] <IT_Sean> Bah... what do the chinese know about rockets!
[18:13] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:13] <Jaseman> drones for kamikazee planes
[18:14] <Shift_> is low orbit even available for 'civilian' use?
[18:14] <traeak> transistor sizes in space have to be large
[18:14] <traeak> because particles in space blow micro holes in stuff
[18:14] <hamitron> i486 ftw
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> ???_??? @ hamitron
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Shift_: are we talking weather baloon height here, or stable orbit. Because: yes, and no. respectivly.
[18:14] <traeak> our atmosphere and magnetosphere do a good job neutralizing high speed micro particles
[18:14] <traeak> but out in open space...and perhaps even on marks
[18:14] <Jaseman> you could just link one up to each light switch of your house
[18:15] <traeak> your nice small transistors will go "poof" in a big hurry
[18:15] <IT_Sean> I still think we need a raspi onthe moon.
[18:15] <IT_Sean> Even if all we can do is /ping it. :p
[18:15] <hamitron> IT_Sean, dead or alive? ;)
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[18:15] <traeak> !w
[18:15] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Jan 23 10:53:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 41%, Later 8??C - -5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:15] <IT_Sean> hamitron: LIVE!
[18:15] <traeak> ugh
[18:15] <Jaseman> and one at the north pole
[18:16] <Shift_> IT_Sean, so what would it take to get your own sattelite out to space. Assuming you've got sightlight to clobber up a perfect launching platform and rocket out of resistors.
[18:16] <traeak> put one in santa's workshop ?
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: the north pole is horrible. terrible wifi coverage up there. :p
[18:16] <Jaseman> but its great on the moon?
[18:16] <traeak> basicallymost satellites are geared to cover +- 80 lat or so
[18:16] <hamitron> and everything is melting :/
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Shift_: Besides the funding for the vehicle? FAA approval for the launch, and you are golden.
[18:16] <hamitron> at least the moon isn't melting
[18:16] <traeak> not sure about the "melting" part
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: it's made of cheese! it could be
[18:16] <traeak> lots of fiddling with stats there
[18:17] <haltdef> Shift_, rofl
[18:17] <hamitron> oh yeh :/
[18:17] <traeak> you have to remeber it seems no one can even predict where a hurricane will go
[18:17] <Shift_> nice
[18:17] <Jaseman> remember silent running?
[18:17] <traeak> so you believe them about full global climate models when they can't even predict hurricane tracks?
[18:17] <Jaseman> raspberry pi waters the plants
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> traeak: That's chaos theory for you
[18:17] <Shift_> traeak, a global warming 'sceptic' ey?
[18:18] <Jaseman> i am
[18:18] <Jaseman> there is no global warming
[18:18] <Shift_> Is the globe warming, on average?
[18:18] <Jaseman> no
[18:18] <WASDx> i've heard a litte of each
[18:18] <hamitron> I thought it was warming naturally, at the very least
[18:18] <Jaseman> they took away all the weather stations from the cold places
[18:18] <Jaseman> and only took readings in warm places
[18:19] <hamitron> maybe not man made though
[18:19] <WASDx> some say other planets are getting warmer too. Some say theaverage temperature has gone down in 10 years
[18:19] <IT_Sean> It's on the warming sideo f a natrual hot/cold cycle
[18:19] <Shift_> Jaseman, citation needed
[18:19] <traeak> Shift_: i'm skeptical about scientists
[18:19] <Jaseman> some guy on the internet said so...
[18:19] <Jaseman> after the 70's
[18:19] <traeak> Shift_: and i do lots of work with statistics
[18:19] <Jaseman> lots of weather stations got closed
[18:19] * hamitron hates statistics
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[18:19] <Jaseman> mostly ones on mountains
[18:19] <traeak> Shift_: so i know how full of bullshit people are, and how shitty models are in general
[18:20] <Jaseman> which has affected the average readings
[18:20] * IT_Sean prints out all of Wikipedia, compresses it down to the size of a baseball, and sticks it in Shift_'s ear
[18:20] <WASDx> note to everyone: try not to get into a heated debate
[18:20] <WASDx> don't pick sides
[18:20] <traeak> heh
[18:20] <mrdragons> No you!
[18:20] <traeak> its not worth it
[18:20] <IT_Sean> Can we change the subject?
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[18:20] <IT_Sean> How can we get a raspi on the moon.
[18:20] <hamitron> maybe use the Pi for SETI@home?
[18:21] <Jaseman> we need some nice package deals on the raspberry pi
[18:21] <hamitron> dedicated team
[18:21] <hamitron> :D
[18:21] <mrdragons> Slingshot?
[18:21] <Shift_> traeak, yeah, modelling global weather is complicated, I am not saying that global warming due to human activities is significant... I don't know that. I am trying to figure out how people can say that the climate isn't changing (through natural OR human causes)
[18:21] <Jaseman> i mean you should be able to buy it in a nice white cardboard box
[18:21] <Jaseman> with hdmi and power included
[18:21] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: it would have to be a massive bloody slingshot
[18:21] <mrdragons> And VGA
[18:21] <hamitron> why hdmi?
[18:21] <traeak> Shift_: does it matter that the weather changes? is it supposed to always be the same? why should it be?
[18:21] <Jaseman> because i only have 1 hdmi cable
[18:22] <hamitron> so buy another?
[18:22] <hamitron> :/
[18:22] <Jaseman> and thats hooked up to the playstation
[18:22] <mrdragons> IT_Sean: Exactly, just imagine all the other things you could send to the moon. ^_^
[18:22] <Jaseman> well for a purchaser
[18:22] <traeak> Shift_: historically it's been proven that the climate goes through warmer and colder periods so what's the big deal ? anyways
[18:22] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: like traeak? Could we slingshot traeak to the moon?
[18:22] <Jaseman> he wants to buy something and have al the accessories included in the box
[18:22] <Jaseman> that can get it to work
[18:22] <hamitron> no point in having loads of different packages of the same thing, makes it more costly to market
[18:22] <traeak> i'm actually pissed at archlinux now
[18:22] <Jaseman> its like people buy printers...
[18:22] <traeak> not sure if there's a good alternative
[18:23] <Jaseman> get it home and there's no usb cable
[18:23] <Shift_> traeak, I know and I agree, I am again the carbon tax and all that bs. That doesn't mean that global warming is 'a hoax'
[18:23] <mrdragons> IT_Sean: Sure, I don't see why not. >_>
[18:23] <mrdragons> <_<
[18:23] <WASDx> traeak: how so? works just fine to me. The latest kmod updated reduced my boot time by 1 second
[18:23] <traeak> Shift_: i like cooler wather myself but to make political decisions based on this crap is hugely irresponsible
[18:23] <traeak> WASDx: they put kmod in /usr/bin/ ! what idiots
[18:24] <Jaseman> in a press statement today on global, jaseman said 'I wouldnt worry about it'
[18:24] <traeak> when does kde or libreoffice have the same importance asa a kernel module loader?
[18:24] <IT_Sean> aaaaaaaaaaand i am off... I'll be back when you lot are done debating globall warming
[18:24] <traeak> i have a few systems out here with /usr in a separate partiition
[18:24] <traeak> my /usr is on an lvm
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[18:24] <traeak> so kernel 3.2.1 go installed..it reset my mkinitcpio.conf
[18:24] <traeak> then kmod moved to /usr
[18:24] <traeak> the laptop crashed (battery dead)
[18:24] <traeak> booted
[18:25] <traeak> ka-boom
[18:25] <Shift_> Jaseman, so where did you get the idea thing about picking which weather stations are used for the data?
[18:25] <traeak> machine boots, no lvm support in kernel
[18:25] <Jaseman> i saw it on an interview
[18:25] <traeak> can't start lvm to mount /usr because the module loader is on /usr/bin !
[18:25] <Jaseman> with some scientist that was anti-global warming
[18:25] <traeak> lunacy!
[18:25] <WASDx> :(
[18:25] <Jaseman> i can probably find you the link if you want
[18:25] <WASDx> so did your laptop die during an update?
[18:26] <traeak> i've always counted on '/' being bare mimum so the very small partition can boot and i use that to bootstrap the rest of the system if necessary
[18:26] <traeak> now arch breaks stuff so you have to be able to access spreadsheets and gui webbrowsers in order to do basic kernel management
[18:26] <traeak> and worse yet the maintainers don't give a shit
[18:26] <Jaseman> http://www.skepticalscience.com/Why-are-there-less-weather-stations-and-whats-the-effect.html
[18:27] <Jaseman> heres an explanation of it
[18:27] <Shift_> Jaseman, thanks
[18:27] <Jaseman> welcome
[18:27] <hamitron> hmmm
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[18:30] <Shift_> Jaseman, I am guessing you didn't read the article you linked me to?
[18:30] <mrdragons> So I'm recompiling my kernel today; any common suggestions on when to trim on it to speed up boot?
[18:31] <Shift_> mrdragons, doesn't make much difference
[18:31] <hamitron> everything you don't need
[18:31] <mrdragons> Shift_: I want to do it anyways. :P
[18:31] <Shift_> hamitron, it won't speed up boot time... it takes like a second for the kernel to load.
[18:31] <mrdragons> I'm bored and have nothing to do.
[18:31] <hamitron> Shift_, true
[18:32] <hamitron> but I don't like big kernels
[18:32] <hamitron> bad for memory
[18:33] <hamitron> although, I dunno if it is just me.... but I don't find the kernel so easy to config these days
[18:33] <hamitron> that could be just me not a familiar with some stuff though
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[18:33] <hamitron> s/a/as/
[18:34] <LiENUS> so anyone know what kinda bandwidth we can expect out of the raspi's gpio, uart and spi interfaces?
[18:34] <Shift_> if you know your hardware well, then configuring the kernel isn't hard. running lspci/lshw beforehand helps a lot
[18:35] <Shift_> and looking at the loaded modules
[18:35] <WASDx> hamitron: that regex wouldnt do good
[18:35] <Jaseman> 1 week to go
[18:36] <hamitron> ;/
[18:36] <hamitron> can't be a guy lazy? :/
[18:36] <WASDx> 1 week for what?
[18:36] <Jaseman> till you can buy your precious circuit board
[18:36] <WASDx> :O
[18:36] <WASDx> is it announced?
[18:37] <WASDx> the release date?
[18:37] <Jaseman> well they said end of jan
[18:37] <Jaseman> and its 23rd now
[18:37] <WASDx> they also said end of november
[18:37] <mrdragons> That's the hopeful release date
[18:37] <Jaseman> yeah but they hadnt placed the order then
[18:37] <hamitron> 1st April
[18:37] <hamitron> ;/
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: betting pool time? ;)
[18:37] <mrdragons> It's vaporware I tell ye! ;)
[18:38] <hamitron> hehe
[18:38] <Jaseman> i reckon the shipping will take a few weeks
[18:38] <Jaseman> after the manufacture is ended
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> I think the ordering may take a few hours
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> as in.. sold out in hours
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[18:38] <Jaseman> remember theres 10,000 of them
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Jaseman: only 10k
[18:38] <Jaseman> they wont be sending those in jiffy bags
[18:38] <hamitron> gonna take a few weeks to ship the stuff to the UK, from the East
[18:38] <hamitron> :/
[18:39] <Jaseman> probably in a shipping container
[18:39] <hamitron> at least everyone here has another device to play on
[18:39] <hamitron> :)
[18:40] <Jaseman> ive got 5 pcs here on my desk
[18:40] <Jaseman> very crap pc's but still
[18:40] <hamitron> so no real rush
[18:40] <Jaseman> 3 optiplex gx280's
[18:40] <Jaseman> one optiplex 755
[18:40] <hamitron> ah, but are they as crap as mine? ;)
[18:40] <dmsuse> why do you have 5?
[18:40] <Jaseman> and some other old AMD Athlon thingy
[18:41] <mrdragons> IT or something.
[18:41] <hamitron> they are not old :/
[18:41] <Jaseman> i have to remote assist people in my job
[18:41] <hamitron> well, they maybe are
[18:41] <Jaseman> ive got a vsista, 2 windows 7's
[18:41] <Jaseman> 1 on xp
[18:41] <hamitron> but Athlon is i686 init?
[18:41] <Jaseman> and one on kubuntu
[18:41] <Jaseman> im not even sure... i found that one in the storage cupboard
[18:42] <Jaseman> all the pc's from our company get sent to me for recycling
[18:42] <dmsuse> why not just have one good computer and 5 virtual machines
[18:42] <Jaseman> well soon it will be better....
[18:42] <hamitron> my worst is a Packard Bell with a P120 cpu w/ 24Mb ram..... plus 1Mb dedicated video memory
[18:42] <hamitron> ;)
[18:42] <Amnesia> 10k only:O?
[18:42] <Jaseman> because of our supplier is so slow delivering
[18:42] <mrdragons> That's better than my worst. :P
[18:43] <Jaseman> i convinced my boss that we need to keep spare new ones in stock
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[18:43] <hamitron> mrdragons, I fail to see what I could use a computer worse, daily for
[18:43] <hamitron> ;)
[18:43] <Jaseman> and those spare new ones will be...
[18:43] <Jaseman> on my desk
[18:43] <mrdragons> It's just sitting here actually, I have no use for it
[18:43] <hamitron> mrdragons, :-o find a use!
[18:43] <mrdragons> I may run my bot on it, but it's an energy hog
[18:43] <Jaseman> ive got some software called synergy running
[18:44] <hamitron> mine has no fans, which is kinda cool
[18:44] <Jaseman> so that i can use the same keybaord and mouse
[18:44] <Jaseman> across all the machines
[18:44] <hamitron> Jaseman, 5 monitors? :|
[18:44] <dmsuse> such a waste of energy...
[18:44] <Jaseman> so the mouse goes off the edge of one computer and on to the next
[18:44] <Jaseman> at the moment only 2 monitors are switched on
[18:44] <mrdragons> It has a 66mhz pentium with 16mb of ram I think, and a 1gb hard drive. :\
[18:44] <Jaseman> in fact only 2 of the machines are on
[18:45] <mrdragons> Still runs well though
[18:45] <hamitron> I have 5 comps on this desk.... 1 laptop and 4 desktops into a KVM switch
[18:45] <Jaseman> but these are all spare computers so....
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[18:45] <Jaseman> i figure i may as well make use of them
[18:45] * hamitron is on Jaseman's side on this issue
[18:45] <Jaseman> than let them rot in a portacabin
[18:46] <Jaseman> i disposed of 40 pentium 4 pc's recently
[18:46] <Jaseman> i felt guilty about it....
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[18:46] <Jaseman> but we had no space to store them
[18:46] <Amnesia> hamitron: what do you need all that power for:P?
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> bitcoin mining?
[18:46] <dmsuse> you would if you knew how much gold was in them
[18:47] <Jaseman> and i didnt have the energy to sell them on ebay
[18:47] <hamitron> MartijnVdS, none of my bitcoin mining is on my desk actually
[18:47] <hamitron> haha
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: oh wait that's Az not you ;)
[18:47] <hamitron> well, both of us
[18:47] <hamitron> :/
[18:47] <Jaseman> time to go home
[18:47] <Amnesia> hm, curious how much a bitcoin is worth now..
[18:47] <Jaseman> see ya later guys
[18:48] <hamitron> Azel has more than me
[18:48] <hamitron> ?4.10 today
[18:48] <hamitron> per bitcoin
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Amnesia: https://mtgox.com/
[18:48] <Amnesia> yep, was looking at that
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[18:48] <Amnesia> cba to register though
[18:49] <hamitron> I got 2 rooms in the house, bitcoin heated this winter
[18:49] <hamitron> really good use of resources
[18:49] <hamitron> :)
[18:49] <Amnesia> heh
[18:49] <Amnesia> I only have one laptop
[18:49] <Amnesia> and it's more than enough:)
[18:49] <Amnesia> virtualization ++
[18:49] <dmsuse> ^^
[18:49] <hamitron> I just do everything on the cheap
[18:49] <hamitron> hoard other peoples crap
[18:49] <hamitron> :/
[18:50] <dmsuse> were not living in the 60's anymore :P
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[18:50] <hamitron> indeed
[18:50] <hamitron> more people throw stuff away..... gives me more to choose from ;D
[18:51] <hamitron> I'd be bankrupt if I bought everything I have
[18:52] <Amnesia> hm I'm curious how netbsd will run on a raspberrypi
[18:52] <mrdragons> Same
[18:52] <hamitron> I draw the line at waiting for 2nd hand Pi to appear on ebay though
[18:52] <mrdragons> Or any of the *BSDs, really
[18:52] <Amnesia> I bet it'll work awesome
[18:52] <Amnesia> hamitron: lol ?
[18:52] <hamitron> Amnesia, could save money
[18:52] <hamitron> :)
[18:52] <Shift_> sudo apt-get install axel
[18:52] <Amnesia> cheapskate><
[18:52] <Shift_> gah...
[18:52] <Amnesia> downloadaccelerators...
[18:53] <hamitron> loads of kids may buy them for cheap gaming rigs, than realise they are useless
[18:53] <mrdragons> I wonder how cheap they'll go for on ebay after release and people realize they can't play crysis...
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[18:53] <hamitron> mrdragons, exactly
[18:53] <hamitron> :)
[18:53] <mrdragons> Heh, hivemind
[18:53] <hamitron> the main problem....
[18:54] <hamitron> buying a Pi 2nd hand, may have a larger than normal number of faultly goods
[18:54] <hamitron> with all these kids poking resistors into them
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> resistance is futile!
[18:55] <hamitron> not sure I can be bothered to risk it
[18:55] <hamitron> :)
[18:55] <hamitron> how much is the B model?
[18:55] <hamitron> ?28?
[18:55] <Shift_> $35, isnt it?
[18:55] <Amnesia> 20 pounds +- I think
[18:56] <hamitron> does that include delivery?
[18:56] <hamitron> ;)
[18:56] <mrdragons> Nope
[18:56] <Amnesia> nope
[18:56] <Shift_> think we need a currency conversion bot
[18:56] <hamitron> :/
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> 10kg? :P
[18:56] * MartijnVdS converts it to metric currency
[18:56] <mrdragons> Shift_: Are you sure? >_>
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Another bot?
[18:56] <Shift_> mrdragons, sure... and it has to be a separate bot
[18:56] <hamitron> haha
[18:56] <mrdragons> Aw
[18:57] <hamitron> !howmuch
[18:57] <mrdragons> ?I dunno
[18:57] <answerbot> undefined
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[18:57] <mrdragons> lol
[18:57] <hamitron> ?how much
[18:57] <answerbot> undefined
[18:57] <hamitron> :/
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> How much is the fish? </scooter>
[18:57] <hamitron> aw man, I thought I'd got away from that
[18:57] <hamitron> :/
[18:58] <hamitron> grown up and all that
[18:59] <hamitron> ohhhh
[18:59] <hamitron> 6pm
[18:59] <hamitron> better look into some fodder
[18:59] <Shift_> lies... 5AM
[18:59] <mrdragons> Lies, noon
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> lies, 19:00
[18:59] <hamitron> not my fault all you guys have the wrong time
[18:59] <hamitron> :/
[18:59] <Amnesia> ugh
[18:59] <Amnesia> how long are logs kept btw..
[18:59] <mrdragons> FOREVER
[18:59] <Amnesia> fml
[19:00] <mrdragons> Hehe, why?
[19:00] <hamitron> that is one big log
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Amnesia: why? people know you as Amnesia and you posted illegal stuff that will get you fired?
[19:00] <hamitron> ;/
[19:00] <Amnesia> MartijnVdS: no scared it'll make me get aids
[19:00] <hamitron> brb
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Amnesia: forget about it
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> </lame>
[19:00] <Amnesia> ^^
[19:01] <mrdragons> http://srv.datagutt1.com/
[19:01] <mrdragons> The bot isn't always on though
[19:01] <Amnesia> seen that:)
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[19:02] * mrdragons waves to datagutt
[19:02] <datagutt> its here right now
[19:02] <datagutt> RaspBerryPiBo
[19:02] <datagutt> RaspBerryPiBot*
[19:02] <datagutt> :)
[19:03] <mrdragons> Oh that's who that is
[19:03] <mrdragons> So we had 5 bots in here at one point. XD
[19:03] <datagutt> Eh
[19:03] <datagutt> mine was here orginially
[19:03] <datagutt> right when this was created
[19:03] <datagutt> Then we had PiBot
[19:03] <datagutt> thats the "semi-official" ones
[19:04] <mrdragons> Yep
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[19:04] <Amnesia> http://blog.zx2c4.com/749 lulz
[19:05] <Shift_> the guy is automatically awesome for having the Eagle nebula as a background.
[19:08] <Shift_> Amnesia, and that's obviously fake since linux can't be hacked.
[19:08] <Amnesia> lol...
[19:08] <Amnesia> u joking?
[19:08] <WASDx> a friend just linked that to me too
[19:09] <WASDx> so he's hacking into root?
[19:09] <Amnesia> privilege escalation
[19:09] <mrdragons> Nice
[19:09] <Amnesia> Shift_: fyi nothing's 100% secure
[19:09] <mrdragons> He's kidding
[19:09] <Shift_> there was a video recently from TED where the guy was talking about computer security. Half of the comments were "USE LINUX!"
[19:10] <Shift_> when linux wouldn't address ANYTHING the guy talked about in the video
[19:10] <WASDx> Shift_: i'd like to see that if you have the link
[19:10] <WASDx> TED talks are great
[19:10] <Shift_> yeah, just a second
[19:10] <WASDx> i had a test today
[19:10] <WASDx> a qusetion was what to do to prevent viruses
[19:11] <WASDx> i wrote "use linux or an antivirus software"
[19:11] <Shift_> WASDx, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM7HQ_zbdIw not so much linux crap in the comments now.
[19:11] <Shift_> but when the video just went up there were a lot
[19:11] <WASDx> thanks
[19:11] <Shift_> I guess the idiots didn't even watch the video before saying their mantra
[19:11] <mrdragons> What was the video about?
[19:12] <mrdragons> Oh wait
[19:12] <acfrazier> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Theft-victim-who-caught-up-with-crook-concerned-about-youth-fitness-17012012.htm
[19:12] <acfrazier> am I the only one that chuckled
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[19:15] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> Dear Santa. I've been good all year...Well most of the year....Okay f**k it, i'll buy my own
[19:17] <mrdragons> Shift_: Linux would obviously fix what he was talking about in the video.
[19:17] <Shift_> mrdragons, how so?
[19:19] <mrdragons> If you replaced all the hackers with a CD of linux, they would become inanimate objects.
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[19:19] * Shift_ facepalms
[19:19] <mrdragons> :P
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[19:20] <WASDx> I watched the Atheism 2.0 talk that that is in related videos. It had some great ideas
[19:20] <Shift_> A better talk from the same guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf3zxHuSM2Y
[19:20] <Shift_> WASDx, that was awful....
[19:21] <WASDx> i liked it
[19:21] <WASDx> you don't have to agree with anything, it had great ideas i think
[19:21] <WASDx> the name is a bit silly i admit
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[19:22] <WASDx> i'm surprised it has so many dislikes
[19:22] <Shift_> WASDx, why does a non-belief need organisation?
[19:22] <WASDx> i don't have any answers
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[19:23] <Shift_> lets looks into 'non stamp collecting' 2.0 while we're at it because we can learn a lot from stamp collectors =/
[19:23] <WASDx> i see what you mean
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[19:28] <Amnesia> but ehm, has the fact already been confirmed that there are currently 10k ordered?
[19:29] <mrdragons> Well, they said they're already making them, they're just waiting for the pis to finish baking...
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[19:31] <Amnesia> hmkay
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[19:39] <Shift_> WASDx, ok, now I feel the need to go on a rant. He's implying that religion has something exclusive in terms of community, rituals, cermons and so on. If you look at the 'atheist community', they have their own community, rituals and cermons. Look at Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins,
[19:39] <Shift_> and so on... they treat their talks like cermons for example
[19:39] <Shift_> art isn't exclusive to religion either, so where's that idea coming from?
[19:40] <WASDx> i'm not familiar with the atheist community
[19:40] <victhor> "You're doing it wrong" :P
[19:40] <WASDx> i'm happy to talk about these matters as long as it doesnt turn into a heated debate
[19:40] <WASDx> i try to not pick sides and be objective
[19:40] <Shift_> well that's just no fun
[19:41] <Shift_> full disclosure - I am religious, so I am not preaching atheism here.
[19:41] <WASDx> i don't really have a side
[19:42] <victhor> my blood lead content increased dramatically today :/
[19:42] <WASDx> i "believe" in the parts that i like from all worldviews
[19:42] <mrdragons> victhor: Don't eat the paint chips
[19:42] <victhor> it was solder
[19:43] <mrdragons> You probably shouldn't eat that either
[19:43] <traeak> if it's lead solder its fine
[19:43] <traeak> it's softer so it should digest okay
[19:43] <mrdragons> What were you making/fixing/what not?
[19:44] <victhor> I was tinning surface mount pads
[19:44] <victhor> after I removed the IC that used to be there. In the mean time I found that I destroyed 3 or 4 pads during the resoldering process
[19:44] <Shift_> WASDx, sure, the bible for example, has a great lot of wisdom and inspiration in it for many people. Mainstream stress management comes directly from Buddhism. So there's obviously value in religion... it's just that religion doesn't have anything that's exclusive to it that you can't get elsewhere. Anyway, I'll shut up.
[19:44] <victhor> desoldering*
[19:46] <WASDx> Shift_: I'm happy to talk if we don't interupt ontopic discussion in this channel. Discussing your ideas is great for personal development
[19:46] <Shift_> victhor, unless you didn't wash your hands after handling the lead, you're fine. Lead doesn't really absorb through the skin very well, nor does the vapour contain lead. It's just a matter of not eating the lead, lol.
[19:46] <victhor> lol
[19:46] <victhor> yes I do wash my hands afterwards.
[19:47] <mrdragons> How much lead do you have to ingest for it to be really dangerous?
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[19:47] <Shift_> oh and don't touch your face while soldering... the area around the eyes can absorb it well
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[19:48] <Shift_> mrdragons, no idea
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[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> morning all
[19:53] <Shift_> ahoy
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> anything interesting happen?
[19:54] <Shift_> as always, everything.
[19:56] <traeak> mrdragons: lead is most dangerous to children apparently
[19:57] <traeak> developement, etc
[19:57] <traeak> if you'reolder it's probably like drinking a few kegs of beer or something
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> they can harden up
[19:57] <traeak> you're already losing brain cells as it is
[19:57] <victhor> here we have a saying that goes on like this: "If you work with electronics, consider yourself lucky if you go past 60 years"
[19:58] <Shift_> probably moreso due to a crappy lifestyle than solder
[19:59] <victhor> lol
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[20:01] <mrdragons> That makes me feel good
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[20:04] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
[20:06] <mrdragons> PiBot seems awfully happy today... >_>
[20:07] <IT_Sean> He does. Someone should look for the HAPPY adjustment pot on his personality board, and turn it down slightly. About 8 degres anticlockwise should do it
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[20:16] * IT_Sean looks around
[20:16] * MartijnVdS turns it up to11
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> instead
[20:16] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:16] <IT_Sean> what did you just turn up to 11!!!?
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> that thing you wanted adjusted
[20:17] <mrdragons> Uh oh
[20:17] <IT_Sean> NOOO! That'll make him annoyingly chipper!
[20:17] <mrdragons> PiBot wasn't designed for that level of happiness
[20:17] <traeak> !w
[20:17] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Jan 23 13:53:00 2012. Temp 8??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 24%, Later 8??C - -5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[20:17] * IT_Sean readjusts it to the proper setting
[20:19] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: you awake to find yourself in a barren, white room. The only exit is to the south.
[20:19] <Shift_> s
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> /me calls for guns, lots of guns
[20:20] <mrdragons> walk south
[20:20] <IT_Sean> Shift_: you findyourself in a long corridor, stretching to the east and west
[20:20] <mrdragons> Look around
[20:20] <IT_Sean> sorry mrdragons, too late. Shift_ took over your game
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: This is the Matrix right? With the "we're going to need guns" loading program
[20:20] <mrdragons> >:(
[20:20] <IT_Sean> MartijnVdS: nope
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> aww
[20:20] <Shift_> no, he can have it back, I don't remember any commands
[20:21] <IT_Sean> okay. mrdragons, you find yourself in a long corridor, stretching to the east and west. There is a door at each end.
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[20:21] <mrdragons> Walk east
[20:21] <IT_Sean> you find yourself at a closed, wooden door. It does not appear to have a lock.
[20:21] <mrdragons> Open door
[20:22] <IT_Sean> Opening the door reveals a broom closet. Inside is a mop. On a shelf is a dusty lint brush, a pair of soiled underthings, and a set of keys.
[20:22] <mrdragons> Grab keys
[20:22] <IT_Sean> you have taken the keys
[20:23] <mrdragons> Walk west
[20:23] <IT_Sean> You find yourself at a junction. To the north is a featureless white room. To the west, the corridor continues.
[20:23] <mrdragons> Look around
[20:23] <IT_Sean> You find yourself at a junction. To the north is a featureless white room. To the west, the corridor continues.
[20:24] <mrdragons> Walk west
[20:24] <IT_Sean> You find youself at a featureless metal door. The lock appears to have long ago been forcibly removed.
[20:25] <mrdragons> Open door
[20:25] <IT_Sean> Opening the door reveals a garage littered with a few cars.
[20:26] <mrdragons> This is your house isn't it? :P
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Heh... No.
[20:26] <IT_Sean> If it were, the keys you are carrying would be to a much better car
[20:26] <mrdragons> walk to garage
[20:27] <IT_Sean> You are standing in the garage. A bit of litter blows past your feet. There are several cars in view. All of them anonamous, dull lumps.
[20:28] <IT_Sean> In the distance, a bird calls.
[20:29] <mrdragons> Walk outside
[20:30] <IT_Sean> you are in the middle of a barren desert. There is a dusty road leading off towards the north. There are no other buildings in view.
[20:30] <feep> is this the same game?
[20:31] <IT_Sean> feep: the same as yours? No.
[20:31] <feep> aw.
[20:31] <feep> :D
[20:31] <feep> > look at building
[20:31] <mrdragons> I'm busy with something else, feep, wanna take over?
[20:31] <feep> > look for bird
[20:31] <feep> well no because I'm watching a video :D
[20:31] <IT_Sean> feep: the building is a featureless grey building. There is no lettering or sinage on it whatsoever.
[20:32] <IT_Sean> *signage
[20:32] <feep> > look for signs of civilization
[20:32] <IT_Sean> Scanning the horizon reveals nothing but miles of sand in every direction.
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[20:33] <feep> > look for bird
[20:33] <IT_Sean> There is a bird nearby, pecking at a bit of paper
[20:33] <feep> are there singing birds in the desert?
[20:33] <feep> > i
[20:34] <IT_Sean> you are carrying: trousers (worn) a shirt (worn) and a key ring.
[20:34] <feep> damn, no treats to catch a bird with
[20:34] <feep> > lob key at bird
[20:34] <mrdragons> XD
[20:35] <IT_Sean> the bird squaks in surprise, then buggers off, leaving the keys, and the bit of paper
[20:35] <feep> > take key
[20:35] <feep> > take paper
[20:35] <feep> > x paper
[20:35] <IT_Sean> you have taken the keys and the paper
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[20:35] <feep> (examine)
[20:35] <IT_Sean> the paper appears to be a badly faded recipt for diesel fuel, dated three weeks ago.
[20:35] <feep> Hhhuh.
[20:36] <feep> Okay, nothing much to do
[20:36] <feep> > go back inside
[20:36] <IT_Sean> the door you exited the building from has locked behind you.
[20:36] <feep> > unlock door
[20:36] <IT_Sean> You do not have a key to this door.
[20:36] <mrdragons> Oshi-
[20:36] <feep> > examine building for windows or back entrances
[20:36] <victhor> use key on door
[20:37] <IT_Sean> The building is a featureless grey cube. there are no apparent points of entry besides the door in the garage.
[20:38] <tntexplosivesltd> well shit
[20:38] <mrdragons> Look around
[20:38] <feep> > look for food in cars
[20:38] <IT_Sean> the three cars you can see in the garage appear to be locked.
[20:38] <feep> > recall history of employment
[20:39] <IT_Sean> You have no memory of your past whatsoever
[20:40] <feep> no memory
[20:40] <feep> no attachments
[20:40] <feep> no guilt!
[20:40] <feep> > break open car windows
[20:40] <mrdragons> Use key on car
[20:40] <feep> yours first
[20:40] <mrdragons> :P
[20:40] <IT_Sean> :/
[20:40] <IT_Sean> you hit the window of the nearest car with your fist. You end up hurting your fist.
[20:40] <Kolin> ha
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[20:41] <IT_Sean> (perhaps you are carrying something useful in your current situation?)
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[20:41] <feep> [20:40:01] <mrdragons> Use key on car
[20:41] <IT_Sean> I must have missed that one
[20:41] <IT_Sean> sorry
[20:41] <mrdragons> You better be! >:\
[20:42] <IT_Sean> > you press the Unlock button on the key fob you are carrying. A grey vauxhall astra diesel in the corner chirps quietly.
[20:42] <IT_Sean> (what a vauxhall astra is doing in the desert, i have no idea)
[20:42] <victhor> well at least it isn't a beetle... :P
[20:43] <feep> > look for food in car
[20:44] <feep> actually
[20:44] <feep> > search car
[20:44] <feep> IT_Sean: you should make this a proper quest
[20:44] <mrdragons> Agreed
[20:44] <IT_Sean> You search the car, and find a weeks supply of MREs and a jug of water. You also discover a mobile phone with a dead battery, an open condom wrapper, and several small coins under the rear seat.
[20:44] <feep> IT_Sean: also you should start the game with a raspberry pi B
[20:44] <mrdragons> I'd help with it
[20:44] <feep> and use it at least three times
[20:45] <mrdragons> Open car hood
[20:45] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: you find a small lump of crap that GM dares to call an engine.
[20:45] <victhor> :D
[20:45] <feep> XD
[20:45] <mrdragons> Search for battery
[20:45] <IT_Sean> I'd be happy ot help write one of these, if someone else would do all the tricky coding bits
[20:46] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: there is a battery in the car (how else would the remote unlock have worked?)
[20:46] <mrdragons> It'd be fairly simple in a high-level language
[20:46] <feep> uuuuu.
[20:46] <feep> note 1: quests are not IF games.
[20:46] <mrdragons> Take out battery
[20:46] <feep> note 2: I happen to have a language specifically for quests!
[20:47] <feep> :D
[20:47] <feep> er
[20:47] <feep> IF
[20:47] <IT_Sean> you are now carrying a 12v car battery. The car alarm has gone off.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> The noise of the alarm is beginning to irritate you
[20:47] <feep> though, I'd have to bring that up to speed probably
[20:47] <mrdragons> How does that work...?
[20:47] <feep> yeah uh how does that oh
[20:47] <feep> > disconnect battery
[20:47] <feep> wait
[20:47] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: most car alarms have their own battery hidden away deep up the arse of hte car somewhere.
[20:47] <feep> > disconnect battery carefully
[20:47] <feep> aw
[20:47] <mrdragons> Replace battery
[20:48] <IT_Sean> the car emits a quiet chirpchirp as you repalce the battery
[20:48] <mrdragons> Pick up cell phone
[20:48] <IT_Sean> you pick up the phone
[20:48] <mrdragons> inventory
[20:49] <IT_Sean> you are carrying a set of keys, some clothing (worn), a mobile telephone, some small coins, and an opened condom wrapper.
[20:50] <mrdragons> Throw coin at locked car window
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Which of the two locked carsare you referring to? The grey locked car, or the black locked car?
[20:51] <mrdragons> The black car
[20:51] <IT_Sean> the coin bounces off and rolls on the ground forr a bit, before falling over.
[20:51] <mrdragons> Pick up coin
[20:52] <mrdragons> :P
[20:52] <IT_Sean> you are now carrying a small coin
[20:52] <mrdragons> Turn on car radio
[20:53] <IT_Sean> it would clearly need a lot more devlopment, but, if someone WERE ineterested in writing an IF-esque game, i'd be willing to help with the story arc.
[20:53] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: You are now listening to BBC radio 2
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[20:54] <mrdragons> phanboet: greet me
[20:54] <hallonphanboet> me: Hello
[20:54] <Shift_> feeling lonely, ey?
[20:54] <IT_Sean>
[20:54] <mrdragons> Not mine
[20:55] * IT_Sean needs to finish his bot.
[20:58] <mrdragons> So if you wanted to make this a real game, what langauge would you program it in, and would you need the help of any learning coders?
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[20:58] <mrdragons> Well, saying "learning coders" is redundant if you're actively coding
[20:59] <feep> I have a proposal for a language for IF games.. I have some code up for it, but it's legacy and unmaintained and kind of ugly. the main concept is good though, imo.
[21:00] <feep> the idea is to build an entire language around the concept of scopes. a scope is something that can contain other things and has a name.
[21:00] <feep> other things can be scopes or statements.
[21:00] <feep> executing a scope means executing its statements
[21:00] <mrdragons> So, basically a class?
[21:00] <feep> no because runtime extensible
[21:00] <feep> and because no methods
[21:01] <feep> well, sort of methods but
[21:01] <feep> a scope is a class and a method and a function and a struct
[21:01] <feep> and an object
[21:01] <feep> it's the generic form of all of those
[21:01] <mrdragons> So super-high level
[21:01] <feep> yeah but it fits with the design of actually hold on
[21:01] <feep> let me dig out my example level
[21:01] <feep> brb
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[21:03] <mrdragons> You should implement it in lolcode. :P
[21:05] <feep> mrdragons: http://tinyurl.com/7g9wckk
[21:05] <feep> it's an implementation of the xkcd adventure from that april fool's day
[21:07] <slaeshjag> blargh
[21:07] * slaeshjag is replacing his router/server
[21:08] <mrdragons> Whoop, kernel is now compiling
[21:09] <Shift_> mrdragons, which?
[21:10] <mrdragons> The one for my current machine
[21:10] <mrdragons> I kept getting distracted while configuring. :P
[21:10] <Shift_> ah I thought you were doing what I am doing and compiling a kernel for the pi and qemu
[21:11] * IT_Sean wants a raspi to play with
[21:11] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[21:11] <mrdragons> My machine is too slow to do that right now, although I might do that later tonight...
[21:12] <_inc> Thorn_: is that automated or are you doing that yourself every time?
[21:12] <Thorn_> well its not automated
[21:12] <_inc> dedicated trolling :)
[21:12] <Thorn_> but my fingers automatically do it
[21:13] <Thorn_> it's not trolling it's an honest question
[21:13] <_inc> :)
[21:13] <Thorn_> and you should be ashamed as a community member to think of it as such
[21:13] <_inc> keep on asking it after release :)
[21:13] <_inc> Thorn_: I have no shame
[21:13] <Shift_> the raspberripi kernel doesn't seem to work with qemu anyway
[21:14] <mrdragons> It's probably still ridden with bugs from the patches
[21:14] <_inc> I want to learn about the linux kernel in general, so if there are any good links out there fire away please
[21:15] <mrdragons> No offense to teh devs
[21:15] <mrdragons> Check out the arch-linux wiki
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[21:15] <mrdragons> Even if you don't use it
[21:15] <Shift_> or the gentoo handbook
[21:15] <mrdragons> ^^
[21:16] <Shift_> whenever I look up anything linux related I start with arch and gentoo documentation
[21:16] <Shift_> ... because it doesn't suck, like the rest of linux documentation.
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[21:16] <_inc> so my basic understanding is that the kernel is effectively the driver for the processor and IO devices right?
[21:17] <mrdragons> Sort of
[21:17] <_inc> handles the system architecture
[21:17] <Shift_> looks like you should be learning about what an operating system is in general
[21:17] <mrdragons> It's pretty much everything; it manages resources, timing, processes, hardware events, etc
[21:18] <_inc> oh
[21:18] <hamitron> _inc, the book "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation" is good
[21:18] <_inc> I think it just clicked
[21:18] <feep> that's a bad sign
[21:18] <feep> your drive may be dying
[21:18] <Amnesia> _inc: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAF8648427BB68706&feature=plcp <- that'll help you on the way:)
[21:18] <hamitron> not actually Linux based though
[21:20] <mrdragons> I like how the views on all the videos decreases as you progress through the videos.
[21:20] <mrdragons> (Thanks for sharing btw)
[21:20] <_inc> yea cheers guys
[21:21] <_inc> this is obviously something I have taken for granted
[21:21] <Amnesia> what is?
[21:22] <Shift_> that a kernel is some complicated shiz
[21:22] <_inc> Components of an OS
[21:22] <Amnesia> Shift_: in it's core it isn't:)
[21:23] <Shift_> in it's implimentation, it is.
[21:23] <Amnesia> true that
[21:32] <Shift_> yeah, I can't get the kernel to do anything in qemu =/ No need to update the tutorial I guess.
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[21:34] <theTroy> is the website down?
[21:34] <IT_Sean> 'cause it's not up?
[21:34] <Shift_> downish
[21:34] <theTroy> just confirming that is not a fault on my side
[21:34] <theTroy> any admins here?
[21:34] <theTroy> of the website
[21:34] <_inc> works for me
[21:34] <Shift_> the forum still works
[21:35] <_inc> check dns
[21:35] <theTroy> yeah it just started to work again
[21:35] <_inc> i use google
[21:35] <hamitron> google?
[21:35] <theTroy> _inc: does it still work?
[21:35] <_inc> google dns at
[21:35] <hamitron> oh, google dns
[21:35] <hamitron> brain fart ;/
[21:36] <theTroy> _inc: does the website work for you?
[21:36] <_inc> 100%
[21:36] <Shift_> and down again
[21:36] <theTroy> ok, I found how to crash the website... now I have to find an admin
[21:36] <IT_Sean> there are no admins here
[21:36] <hamitron> "Error establishing a database connection" <--- this?
[21:36] <_inc> somone early was saying it was down yet i could still see it
[21:36] <theTroy> hamitron: yeah
[21:36] <IT_Sean> these are not the geeks you are looking for
[21:36] <_inc> earlier*
[21:36] <IT_Sean> ::jedimindtrick::
[21:37] <theTroy> _inc: the website right now is down
[21:37] <theTroy> aaand restarted
[21:37] <rm> OHNOES IT MUST BE OUT
[21:37] <theTroy> I can crash it again, but Id rather not
[21:37] <mrdragons> How'd you do it mayne?
[21:37] <theTroy> Ill pm admins on the forum then
[21:37] <hamitron> good idea, best to not attract attention here any more than forced
[21:37] <hamitron> :)
[21:37] <_inc> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7056/Screenshots/cya7.png
[21:38] <_inc> site is not down
[21:38] <Shift_> _inc, it's downISH
[21:38] <hamitron> the forum
[21:38] <Shift_> their sql server is acting up
[21:38] <Shift_> I am guessing
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> I heard it's cos the shop is being readied for tomorrow morning
[21:39] <ReggieUK> I am of course lying
[21:39] <hamitron> so many people have visited the site, the root filesystem is full and writing over itself ;)
[21:39] <theTroy> _inc: you kept missing the gap when it was down
[21:39] <ReggieUK> hands up how many of you wanted that to be true though? :D
[21:39] <_inc> the blog is cached, the forum not so cached. the forum always had DB problems
[21:39] <theTroy> I found a way to bring it down for ~30 seconds
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[21:44] <_inc> theTroy: https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/161435166684880897
[21:45] <_inc> I brought up an issue a week ago which they haven't gotten to yet
[21:45] <_inc> the official channels are clogged
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[21:46] <Shift_> oh dear... Eben will be giving a TED talk?
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[21:48] <rm> ship the damn thing
[21:48] <rm> then talk the talk
[21:48] <IT_Sean> rm: as soon as the boards come in, and are known to be without defect, they will ship.
[21:49] <rm> it's becoming tiring already :)
[21:49] <IT_Sean> until then... you will have ot wait.
[21:53] <Amnesia> hm, it would be cool if in the future the raspberry pi will also be released as a diy package:)
[21:54] <Shift_> Amnesia, you can solder BGA by hand?
[21:54] <victhor> no one can, you use toaster ovens and hot plates for that
[21:55] <Amnesia> ball grid array ?
[21:55] <_inc> i'd love to see the spagetti of wires that most of those would be implemented like
[21:55] <Shift_> rm, sitting around and doing nothing isn't tiring.
[21:55] <Shift_> victhor, yeah, so it would be pointless as a diy kit
[21:55] <theTroy> _inc: well, sad, anyone has a shorter way to contact the admins? its not a big issue though tbh
[21:55] <rm> "you can't buy one anyway, so yeah why not, let's put out lots and lots of videos of how totally great it is"
[21:56] <_inc> theTroy: I've tried them all, no response
[21:56] <Amnesia> Shift_: hm thx, learnt something^^
[21:56] <theTroy> _inc: kk
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[21:56] <Shift_> rm, you'd rather have no information at all?
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[22:16] <_inc> oh wow, Spotify radio API
[22:17] <ukscone> heh playing Colossal Cave adventure on my faux??raspberry pi??:D
[22:17] <_inc> nice little Pi network radio alarm clock?
[22:17] <ukscone> http://russelldavis.org/RaspberryPi/adv_on_arm.jpg
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[22:18] <_inc> burn forest
[22:18] <_inc> ukscone: Am I your only seeder now?
[22:19] <Shift_> ukscone, any luck with usermode and SDL?
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[22:20] <Shift_> and I WILL keep bugging you to test it
[22:20] <Thorn_> smth need seeded?
[22:20] <ukscone> Shift_: doped up on meds so not tried it yet
[22:21] <tntexplosivesltd> why so many meds?
[22:21] <ukscone> cp/m is about my limit today
[22:21] <traeak> hmm
[22:21] <ukscone> cracked ribs, torm muscle and why the hell not? :)
[22:22] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[22:22] <traeak> i guess another week or so b4 orders *if* everything is still going well ?
[22:22] <traeak> hehe
[22:22] <Thorn_> did your wife beat you up again
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[22:23] <ukscone> nope a door was in th wrong place
[22:23] <ukscone> who puts a door right in the middle of my route to the kitchen?
[22:23] <chris_99> now that netflix has come to the uk i'm hoping to use the PI for a nice little streaming box
[22:24] <haltdef> netflix is silverlight isn't it?
[22:24] <ctyler> ukscone: wait, was this *your* house?
[22:24] <chris_99> silverlight runs on linux too though
[22:24] <hamitron> haltdef, sure MS will port it ;)
[22:25] <haltdef> not ARM I suspect
[22:25] <Thorn_> but does it run on arm
[22:25] <chris_99> yeah this is what i'm not sure about
[22:25] <hamitron> HTML5 is the way forward
[22:25] <mrdragons> There's an opensource implementation of it I believe, so probably
[22:25] <Thorn_> it should
[22:25] <Thorn_> windows 8 and all
[22:25] <Thorn_> not that that means anything
[22:25] <ctyler> moonlight is (was) Novell's silverlight-for-Linux, but it was crap from the beginning
[22:25] <chris_99> theres probably a way to circumvent the silverlight nonsense though i expect
[22:25] <ctyler> isn't silverlight basically dead?
[22:25] <hamitron> so is flash
[22:25] <chris_99> yup
[22:25] <hamitron> :/
[22:26] <Thorn_> probably the same level of dead as flash
[22:26] <Thorn_> goddamnit, ninja'd again
[22:26] <Kolin> it was never alive
[22:26] <hamitron> :)
[22:26] <haltdef> sky use it, as do netflix
[22:26] <haltdef> pretty big :P
[22:26] <ctyler> deader'n flash, I'd say
[22:26] <chris_99> i don't see why they use it though
[22:26] <Kolin> i wonder what could have possibly have persuaded them to use it
[22:26] <Kolin> $$$
[22:26] <chris_99> heh
[22:27] <hamitron> by the time the pi has a stable base, I reckon netflix will offer html5
[22:27] <ctyler> cross-platform drm
[22:27] <hamitron> ;)
[22:27] <hamitron> or something anyway
[22:27] <ctyler> the studios will probably be jumpy about their precious content being delivered on something non-proprietary
[22:28] <ReggieUK> f'em
[22:28] <hamitron> ReggieUK, that's the spirit
[22:28] <hamitron> :)
[22:28] <ReggieUK> stop producing crap then they can actually price their stuff at an affordable price
[22:28] <ReggieUK> make cinemas less of an inconvenience etc.
[22:28] <hamitron> tbh, I'm happy to pay ?3 for a dvd anyway
[22:28] <ctyler> exactly, but Netflix probably has to at least pretend to play the studio's game to keep the content flowing
[22:29] <victhor> they will figure it out sooner or later, as soon as they find themselves filing for bankruptcy protection :)
[22:29] <ReggieUK> I don't watch many films these days
[22:29] <haltdef> I hate cinemas
[22:29] <haltdef> sticky floors, sit through 20 minutes of ads after paying
[22:29] <haltdef> denied sry
[22:29] <chris_99> apparently netflix on linux is nigh on impossible
[22:29] <ReggieUK> very wary and jaded, I've paid soooo much money for utter tripe in the past that I'm just not playing their game anymore
[22:29] <hamitron> cinema is for seducing women anyway
[22:30] <ctyler> home Imax ftw!
[22:30] <hamitron> they could do to make it cheaper though :/
[22:30] <victhor> I doubt cinemas are going to go empty if they release movies on cinemas and other media at the same time
[22:30] <hamitron> but it costs me ?10 to get to a cinema anyway, so don't really bother.... makes it expensive
[22:31] <victhor> people go to cinemas just for the sake of it - big screen, funny glasses, etc
[22:31] <DaQatz> !w
[22:31] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Tue Jan 24 01:51:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 96%, Later 38??F - 36??F. Condition: Icy.
[22:32] <hamitron> !w york
[22:32] <PiBot> hamitron: in York, PA on Mon Jan 23 21:04:00 2012. Temp 36??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 93%, Later 40??F - 34??F. Condition: Icy.
[22:32] <hamitron> !w new york
[22:32] <PiBot> hamitron: in New York, NY on Mon Jan 23 20:51:00 2012. Temp 47??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 97%, Later 49??F - 41??F. Condition: Rain.
[22:32] <traeak> !w
[22:32] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Jan 23 15:53:00 2012. Temp 9??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 26%, Later 8??C - -5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[22:32] <hamitron> wtf is PA?
[22:33] <DaQatz> Pennsylvania
[22:33] <hamitron> !w york uk
[22:33] <PiBot> hamitron: in York, York on Mon Jan 23 20:50:00 2012. Temp 37??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 69%, Later 45??F - 30??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[22:33] <DaQatz> If you want it in C do !weather_set c
[22:33] <ctyler> !w
[22:33] <PiBot> ctyler: in Toronto, ON on Tue Jan 24 01:08:00 2012. Temp 4??C. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 93%, Later 10??C - -1??C. Condition: Rain.
[22:33] <hamitron> F is fine
[22:33] <hamitron> ;/
[22:34] <hamitron> !w hull
[22:34] <PiBot> hamitron: in hull on Mon Jan 23 20:50:00 2012. Temp 37??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 45??F - 34??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[22:35] <haltdef> hull? my condolences
[22:35] <hamitron> haha
[22:35] <mrdragons> !w sparta
[22:35] <PiBot> mrdragons: in Sparta, Peloponnesia. Temp 52??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 94%, Later 61??F - 45??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[22:35] <hamitron> not in either
[22:35] <hamitron> ;)
[22:35] <mrdragons> !w hello
[22:35] <PiBot> Not found.
[22:35] <mrdragons> !w hell
[22:35] <PiBot> Not found.
[22:35] <mrdragons> Hell, michigan? Pfft.
[22:35] <DaQatz> Which hell
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[22:36] <DaQatz> !w Hell, MI forecast
[22:36] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Tue Jan 24 01:51:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 96%, Later 38??F - 36??F. Condition: Icy.
[22:36] <PiBot> Tue: High 47??F Low 20??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[22:36] <PiBot> Wed: High 34??F Low 16??F :Condition Clear
[22:36] <PiBot> Thu: High 38??F Low 23??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[22:36] <DaQatz> !w Hell, MI
[22:36] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Hell, MI on Tue Jan 24 01:55:00 2012. Temp 41??F. Condition: Drizzle, Humidity: 91%, Later 49??F - 25??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[22:36] <mrdragons> Heh
[22:36] <IT_Sean> heh... hell has frozen over?
[22:36] <hamitron> we *will* break the bot ;/
[22:36] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[22:36] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 16??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 68%.
[22:36] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmmmm
[22:37] <DaQatz> Try and break it that's fine. But may want to do it im PM
[22:37] <DaQatz> For less spam.
[22:37] <hamitron> _effort_
[22:37] <DaQatz> If you do break it. Tell me what you did. So I can fix it.
[22:37] <hamitron> :/
[22:37] <hamitron> will do
[22:37] <hamitron> I won't try though
[22:37] <hamitron> ;)
[22:38] <mrdragons> Your bot supports pm? Mumble mumble...
[22:38] <DaQatz> Yes it does.
[22:38] <slaeshjag> heh
[22:38] <slaeshjag> Mine doesn't :D
[22:38] <DaQatz> Also used to translate text. But google shut down their free api.
[22:39] <hamitron> could you make @ before the command, make it send a private reply?
[22:39] * slaeshjag has ha zero-effort implementation of the IRC protocol
[22:39] * IT_Sean needs to get his bot finished
[22:39] <DaQatz> Need to write a new translate plugin.
[22:39] <slaeshjag> phanboet: pet IT_Sean
[22:39] * hallonphanboet pets IT_Sean
[22:39] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:39] <DaQatz> Well I wrote the irc code from scratch.
[22:39] <mrdragons> phanboet: Phan boat
[22:39] <mrdragons> phanboet: Phan boet
[22:39] <haltdef> more sodding bots than users
[22:39] <IT_Sean> my bot is... less friendly.
[22:40] <IT_Sean> but VERY useful!
[22:40] <hamitron> haltdef, haha
[22:40] <DaQatz> IT_Sean, what lang you write it in?
[22:40] <IT_Sean> it's slaps people in the face when they ask "is it out yet?"
[22:40] <DaQatz> Useful is good.
[22:40] <DaQatz> Toy is not
[22:40] <DaQatz> Lol
[22:40] <mrdragons> DaQatz: How does it check the weather?
[22:40] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: i haven't even started it yet, nor do i really intend to.
[22:40] <hamitron> is it out yet?
[22:40] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[22:40] <IT_Sean> hamitron: i haven't bloody written the bot yet.
[22:40] <DaQatz> mrdragons, The weather is through googles api
[22:40] <hamitron> haha, sorry
[22:40] <hamitron> :D
[22:41] <DaQatz> IT_Sean, I could add a plugin to PiBot to do that if you want.
[22:41] <mrdragons> What language?
[22:41] <Shift_> Is the bot out yet?
[22:41] <hamitron> :D
[22:41] <mrdragons> lol
[22:41] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: that would save me dusting off my coding skills (waht few i have).
[22:41] <IT_Sean> :p
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[22:41] <DaQatz> Me adding the plugin would?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> yes.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> if you want to.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Don't on my account.
[22:42] <hamitron> IT_Sean, will your bot be ready before the pi?
[22:42] <DaQatz> Making a plugin that slaps you when you ask "is it out yet" would take like 5 minutes.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> hamitron: seeing as i work from 8 to 5 all day, and the last thing i want to do in my off time is code an IRC bot, probably not.
[22:42] <hamitron> :/
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[22:43] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: well, an IRC-bot really isn't that much work for the basis
[22:43] <slaeshjag> My bot is around 200 lines of python
[22:44] <DaQatz> Not really. unless you make it flexible and complete.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> slaeshjag: i have an old one i wrote over a decade ago, but, it's in realbasic. (i know, i know...)
[22:44] <slaeshjag> And I do *everything* wrong
[22:44] <slaeshjag> mostly because I don't know python
[22:44] <mrdragons> slaeshjag: Huh, cool, mine's around that length too
[22:44] <slaeshjag> mrdragons: Is that including any plugins?
[22:45] <mrdragons> Yep
[22:45] <slaeshjag> Mine doesn't have plugins in the codebase
[22:45] <DaQatz> I wrote one in C awhile back.
[22:45] <IT_Sean> mine is rubbish, but, i think that goes without saying, seeing as i wrote it in RB. :p
[22:45] <slaeshjag> DaQatz: I have a almost-finished rewrite of mine in C
[22:45] <mrdragons> I'm going to reimplement mine in C
[22:45] <DaQatz> PiBot is python
[22:45] <DaQatz> Supports plugins
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[22:45] <DaQatz> Has tons of helper functions
[22:45] <DaQatz> I've been dabbling on a C++ code base.
[22:45] <hamitron> there are a few very small bots written in C, could base it on
[22:45] <hamitron> :)
[22:45] <slaeshjag> Mine uses HTTP for plugins :)
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[22:46] <DaQatz> Simply because I have never written an irc bot in C++
[22:46] <DaQatz> My C bot supported plugins and a ton of other stuff.
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[22:46] <mrdragons> come back dragonbot
[22:46] <dragonBot> I'ma back
[22:47] <slaeshjag> fibo 44
[22:47] <hallonphanboet> Fibonacci number 44 is: 701408733
[22:47] <slaeshjag> Most usefull plugin ever
[22:47] <mrdragons> Huh
[22:47] <IT_Sean> we really need a #raspberrypi-bots for all these sodding bots.
[22:47] <hamitron> hehe
[22:47] <mrdragons> I was thinking the same thing. :P
[22:47] <DaQatz> Lol seems so
[22:47] <hamitron> just so we know?
[22:47] <hamitron> :)
[22:47] <ukscone> fibo -(--34)
[22:47] <hallonphanboet> Fibonacci number 0 is
[22:47] <DaQatz> !channels
[22:47] <mrdragons> I actually said that I think
[22:47] <DaQatz> !channel
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[22:47] <DaQatz> Oh?
[22:47] <Kolin> ]someone make a bot that tells us what all the bots do
[22:47] <mrdragons> It broke. :(
[22:48] <IT_Sean> someone move all the dammed bots to #raspberrypi-bots :p
[22:48] <hamitron> !help
[22:48] <feep> .neatst int[auto~] fibs = [1,1]; int fib(int i) { while (i > fibs.length) fibs ~= fibs[$-1] + fibs[$-2]; return fibs[$-1]; } writeln "$(fibs 44)";
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[22:48] <DaQatz> !channel
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[22:48] <feep> oops
[22:48] <feep> .neatst int[auto~] fibs = [1,1]; int fib(int i) { while (i > fibs.length) fibs ~= fibs[$-1] + fibs[$-2]; return fibs[$-1]; } writeln "$(fib 44)";
[22:48] <DaQatz> When was that plugin chnaged?
[22:48] <feep> oh wait I don't even have that bot here
[22:48] <feep> carry on
[22:48] <mrdragons> Prolly an out-of-index error
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[22:49] <feep> .neatst int[auto~] fibs; fibs ~= [1,1]; int fib(int i) { while (i > fibs.length) fibs ~= fibs[$-1] + fibs[$-2]; return fibs[$-1]; } writeln "$(fib 44)";
[22:49] <DaQatz> oops had == where need !=
[22:49] <feepbot> feep: 701408733\n
[22:49] <DaQatz> !channel
[22:49] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev
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[22:49] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi
[22:49] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi - Main Raspberry PI chat room.
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[22:49] <PiBot> ukscone| no i am british we are used to summer just being the third wednesday in august
[22:49] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[22:49] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[22:49] <DaQatz> Lo ukscone
[22:49] <slaeshjag> Woo, I haz op in #raspberrypi-bots!
[22:49] <feep> A Proliferation of Chatbots
[22:50] <mrdragons> !channel
[22:50] <PiBot> mrdragons: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev
[22:50] <tntexplosivesltd> too many bots =(
[22:50] <mrdragons> !channel ukscone
[22:50] <PiBot> mrdragons: Unknown room.
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[22:51] <haltdef> what the jesus
[22:51] <haltdef> just realized I have a fuckload of linux devices
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[22:51] <hamitron> haltdef, I dunno, why ask me?
[22:52] <Shift_> what's the default fedora 13 password?
[22:52] <haltdef> router, wifi AP, modem, satellite box, n900, android phone
[22:52] <mrdragons> kill dragonbot 814
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[22:54] <mrdragons> !channel
[22:54] <PiBot> mrdragons: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev
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[23:02] <_inc> is holmes.freenode.net down?
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[23:18] <Amnesia> _inc: nc holmes.freenode.net 6667
[23:18] <mrdragons> Whoop, kernel compiled and installed successfully. ^_^
[23:20] <_inc> Amnesia: Whatever port, holmes is dead for me
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[23:20] <Amnesia> :-)
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[23:20] <_inc> did anyone see that? (SPOILERS)
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[23:32] <WASDx> Maybe this will fit well on the rpi? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/aluminum-cooler-heat-sink-chipset-for-ram-memory-w-type-8-piece-set-35816
[23:33] <xlq> But why?
[23:33] <Kolin> i dont see them running very hot :/
[23:34] <WASDx> it would cool *cool*
[23:34] <WASDx> look cool*
[23:34] <Kolin> it will look like some stuck some nasty cheap peices of metal to it
[23:34] <Kolin> :/
[23:35] <xlq> It will already be cool without a heat sink.
[23:36] <WASDx> it seems the cpu is about 13x13mm from http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/DSC_1095.jpg
[23:36] <xlq> It'd look cooler with liquid nitrogen.
[23:36] <WASDx> and those were 13x18 :(
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[23:42] <slaeshjag> Hmm... It might actually generate some heat
[23:42] <slaeshjag> My OpenPandora does get noticably warm
[23:43] <haltdef> 1.3ghz atom in a 5" umpc
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[23:43] <haltdef> *that* gets a bit toasty
[23:44] <slaeshjag> I can imagine
[23:44] <Hideki> the pandora only gets particularly warm when I have USB devices plugged in here
[23:45] <haltdef> said umpc decoding 720p h.264 is also fun
[23:45] <slaeshjag> Hideki: Mine has been sitting next to my keyboard for a week, and it feels like it's around 40-40??C
[23:46] <slaeshjag> 45*
[23:46] <Hideki> hrm, mine is nowhere near that but it's damn cold here atm, lol
[23:46] <slaeshjag> Hideki: Could be that I never disconnect the charger
[23:46] <Hideki> I don't, althoguh the display is off as it's closed
[23:46] <slaeshjag> Hideki: The 5v stepdown is a linear converter
[23:47] <Hideki> I wouldn't know, no schematics have been released yet afaik (which is itself a bit odd for an open device)
[23:47] <slaeshjag> And I think we're getting a bit offtopic here, since we're both in #openpandora x]
[23:47] <WASDx> is "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null" a correct way to check temperatures at 100% cpu?
[23:48] <Hideki> oh, there's that too, lol
[23:48] <Hideki> no, but the mersenne prime test is
[23:49] <slaeshjag> WASDx: try dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/stdout | gzip -9 | dd if=/dev/stdin of=/dev/null
[23:49] <Hideki> lol
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[23:50] <WASDx> why not just cat urandom instead of the first dd?
[23:50] <WASDx> and > /dev/null instead of the last dd
[23:51] <Thorn_> dd 3v3rywh3r3!!!!##;
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[23:56] <WASDx> slaeshjag: that works fine but still not constantly at 100%. i realized my suggestion only uses one thread so it wont work for multicores
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