#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-24

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[0:10] <azalyn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrLEiujfQh8
[0:10] <azalyn> woah.
[0:11] <_inc> are the vents necessary?
[0:12] <WASDx> probably not as much as in that video
[0:13] <_inc> looks like those toilet cleaner baskets
[0:14] <WASDx> haha
[0:14] <_inc> raspberry pi case: http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00BvVTarRdgAoE/Rim-Basket-Toilet-Cleaner-HH-9037-.jpg
[0:15] <WASDx> :D
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[0:18] <mrdragons> XD
[0:18] <_inc> mine will be fully enclosed
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[0:32] <_inc> How would this be for heat concerns with the Pi?: http://flickr.com/photos/davidnin/2086099902/
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[0:37] <mrdragons> Oh hey it's mr. Linus!
[0:37] <mrdragons> Oh wait
[0:38] <koaschten> anyone from uk here? generic question, is it normal you pay a 30% premium on pc hardware compared to the continent? :X
[0:39] <piofcube> hardware/software/anything
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[0:40] <_inc> I dunno about 30%, maybe at the highstreet yea
[0:40] <piofcube> Sometimes it can be even worse compared to the USA when some sellers insist on charging say 50USD to the USA but will charge 50GBP to the UK
[0:41] <piofcube> compared=comparing
[0:41] <koaschten> well a friend from uk linked me his new pc build and said it would be 2k britsh pound, i pieced it together here in germany and it was 1.7k euro o.O
[0:41] <koaschten> I probably could hand deliver it for that money ...
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[0:42] <piofcube> I always check the conversion and then decide if I should let PayPal convert or use the site's own GBP price. You can save a hell of a lot of money that way.
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[0:42] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Wahey! Sean is here! :D
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[0:42] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Well hello Sean. How are you today?
[0:42] <_inc> he probably doesnt know where to shop
[0:43] <koaschten> To add insult to injury... last nov i bought a lcd from the UK because it was 100? cheaper there after shipping it to germany ^^
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[1:29] <mrdragons> ?Hey feep
[1:29] <feep> ;load qa
[1:29] <answerbot> Defined []
[1:29] <feep> :sigh:
[1:29] <mrdragons> We have a bots channel now. ^_^
[1:30] <DaQatz> !channel
[1:30] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots
[1:30] <feep> answerbot was actually intended for here. it doesn't do random stuff, it doesn't do experimental code
[1:30] <feep> it just answers questions
[1:30] <feep> which people are gonna have a lot of in one or two weeks!
[1:30] <mrdragons> That's what mine's supposed to do too
[1:30] <feep> yeah but yours was kind of spammy last time I checked :D
[1:31] <DaQatz> PiBot, is primarily a logbot. Though more has been added with time.
[1:31] <mrdragons> Heh, I fixed it up.
[1:31] <feep> alright then!
[1:32] <mrdragons> The channel is really good if you want to do some testing
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[1:33] <hotwings> koaschten - markup on hardware is rarely over 15%, most commonly 7-10%. at least here in the us
[1:34] <hotwings> if youre paying 30%, youre absolutely getting ripped off unless it cant be avoided (possibly due to taxes)
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[1:47] <Maccer> Oh, there's a #raspberrypi channel on freenode too.
[1:47] <tntexplosivesltd> it's more active
[1:47] <Shift_> O_o there's a raspberrypi channel somewhere else?
[1:47] <Maccer> More users, I noticed.
[1:48] <Shift_> oh, it's just bots
[1:48] <Maccer> And compared to #openpandora
[1:48] <tntexplosivesltd> openpandora...
[1:48] <Maccer> Ahh, a free market in technology is so wonderful.
[1:48] <Maccer> Market isn't free enough, I say.
[1:49] <victhor> OpenPandora would have been a lot better if it weren't so expensive.
[1:49] <Maccer> ???
[1:49] <Maccer> (If you can see the tickmark)
[1:49] <victhor> but it's a large handheld, so I guess that's why
[1:49] <Shift_> it would probably be better if they put more effort into getting shit right the first time around
[1:49] <Maccer> And a raspberry pi has a cpu that runs of one like a Samsung Galaxy and other phones, but I guess that discounts the GPU.
[1:49] <Shift_> and not making promises they wouldn't be able to deliver on
[1:50] <victhor> I wouldn't put a price on the device until it is finalized...
[1:51] <victhor> they could make a small handheld like the mainstream ones, even the GP2X et al, dingoo were small devices, and the dingoo is a very inexpensive device
[1:51] <victhor> ok it doesn't compare, but the pandora appears to be much larger than all of those
[1:52] <Maccer> I've talked to a lot of the fabrication engineers and chip developers of openpandora. They're pretty nice. Makes me want to learn semiconductor engineering. They said that the euro debt crisis makes the price and costs really volatile.
[1:55] <Maccer> Also TIL about XBMC.
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[1:56] <Da|Mummy> i like my pandora :{
[1:57] <Shift_> I'd like my pandora.... but I am still waiting for EvilDragon to fix the mess he was left with
[1:57] <Da|Mummy> he did fix it
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[2:01] <Shift_> not until I have my pandora =/
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[2:12] <victhor> I wanted to build something like that, I read about a rather random standard "EOMA-something" that uses boards in CF card enclosures as computer-in-modules.
[2:13] <victhor> I wanted to build one of those, with a cortex a8 processor, but that would take a long time to finish with 1 person only :(
[2:14] <victhor> not to mention it would probably require components on both sides of the board, 8 layer construction, etc etc etc
[2:15] <Lerc> victhor: EOMA-68 is PCMCIA form factor
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[2:16] <Lerc> Has a lot of potential, but still in its infancy.
[2:16] <victhor> no, it was the other one that used CF cards, there was a page on elinux
[2:16] <victhor> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/CompactFlash
[2:17] <Lerc> Oh, cutesy. But tiny.
[2:18] <victhor> maybe a AT91SAM or something like that will work... :P
[2:18] <victhor> ARM9 microcontoller
[2:18] <Shift_> SpeedEvil, welcome
[2:18] <victhor> controller*
[2:19] <victhor> "Also, because the GPIO pins can be reconfigured individually bi-directional for any digital purposes, they *must* be made to be 5V TTL tolerant"
[2:19] <victhor> stupid requirement
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> Hello! Anyone have any clue as to a fairly small/low-power LVDS interface?
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - hey Shift_
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> I want to retrofit an old laptop with a Pi.
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> Unsure as to the best way to go - can't seem to find actual pinouts and stuff for the Pi.
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[2:22] <Shift_> not sure, but there are a few people interested in doing similar things. I don't think any of them are on right now though.
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> I suspected I may not be the only one.
[2:23] <Lerc> I have an XO-1. Would kinda be keen on putting either a R-PI or a AllWinnerA10 inside.
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking at this pile of old laptops I have, and wondering if I can do anything fun and exciting to make ~1Kg laptops with a 1024x768 10" screen, and ~10h battery life.
[2:23] <victhor> anything would be better than the PoS Geode inside the XO :/
[2:23] <Shift_> I was actually thinking you'd be the type of person best to ask about this sort of thing since I see you being helpful in ##electronics and ##physics quite often.
[2:24] <Lerc> It's actually not too bad if you don't try and do everything in python.
[2:24] <victhor> I believe there was a person in this channel who made a DVI-LVDS board for the pi?
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: I've been stalling on doing stuff for Pi, as I've not found good technical references.
[2:25] <Shift_> I think thee were two people working on it.. can't remember the names though.
[2:25] <Lerc> not sure about made a board, but I definitely saw people scoping out chips for it.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> BGA doesn't scare me.
[2:25] <Dagger3> SpeedEvil: hate to bring up the boring, real life issues, but how much of that 1kg weight is in the screen? I think they might end up a bit top-heavy
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, it annoys me, but...
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> Dagger3: that's 1Kg with the existing screen.
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Dagger3: It's 1.15Kg or so stock. With a 6 cell battery
[2:26] <Lerc> Dagger3: add more battery. 3kg and lasts forever!!!....
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> And it would last ~12h with modern cells, on the existing PII/300 processor.
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[2:27] <SpeedEvil> I plan on swapping the screen for an ipad one. For some extra lightness and resolution.
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[2:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/laptops/1270/toshiba-portege-3110ct
[2:28] <victhor> fill the empty space with battery cells
[2:28] <victhor> it will run, like, forever :P
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> True. I want to shrink the weight a little though.
[2:28] <Shift_> ...just don't take ideas from sightlight >.>
[2:28] <Dagger3> Lerc: and even more of a fire hazard, but other than that the plan sounds awesome ;)
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> But with the existing chassis, there seems to be lots of scope for stuff.
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> Wifi, webcam, 3G
[2:29] <Dagger3> SpeedEvil: well, my point was just that there's a limit to how far you can do that before the thing just falls over at the slightest provocation
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> Dagger3: Sure.
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[2:29] <SpeedEvil> Dagger3: But it's already quite light, and making the screen lighter should help a lot.
[2:30] <Dagger3> I guess putting everything at the front of the case would help though, possibly enough. my experience with this was taking everything out of my D610, but then the remaining weight was the motherboard at the back of the case
[2:31] <Shift_> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Screens
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - saw that - somewhat sketchy
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone know of links to more indepth hardware info on the Pi?
[2:31] <Shift_> yeah, sketchy is the best we've got so far
[2:32] <Shift_> which aspect? like gpio?
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> Whre are the RPI connectors, what's their pinout, voltage, ...
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> Same with everything really.
[2:32] <victhor> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard
[2:33] <victhor> disregard
[2:33] <victhor> it was moved to this page http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[2:33] <Shift_> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Hardware
[2:33] <Shift_> and that
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> mmm, there's my lovely pinout table =3
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[2:37] <DaQatz> I should add another sd card via the gpio
[2:37] <DaQatz> Pretty much all you need is the wiring for that.
[2:37] <Shift_> LiENUS, were you working on s ome dvi-lvds board?
[2:37] <LiENUS> Shift_, no?
[2:37] <MystX> I was >_>
[2:37] <Shift_> ah
[2:37] <Shift_> close
[2:37] <Shift_> MystX, you and who else?
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> me, helping with the same boards XD
[2:38] <Shift_> ah, well there you go then
[2:38] <LiENUS> raspberry pi for sale on webstore?
[2:38] <Shift_> done yet? =)
[2:39] <MystX> Shift_: Well, depends what you mean by done..
[2:39] <Shift_> LiENUS, no, sold out.
[2:39] <MystX> One board is populated
[2:39] <Shift_> do you have the shematic up somewhere
[2:39] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmm xbmc demo
[2:40] <victhor> it runs so smoothly
[2:41] <Shift_> MystX, I hope that's not it http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396301_2840536264605_1595264811_32499873_251382786_n.jpg =)
[2:41] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[2:41] <MystX> Er, no
[2:41] <Shift_> lol
[2:42] <Shift_> sorry, I can't get over that 'schematic'.
[2:42] <MystX> Its pretty awesome
[2:43] <MystX> I was going to do something.. fuck
[2:43] <victhor> ugh someone just complained that the internet was slow because I was using the ethernet cables
[2:43] <Shift_> that's a bit personal
[2:44] <victhor> it suffered severe packet loss yesterday due to strong rain (it happens), it's raining again but they don't seem to understand
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> MOAR GAIN.
[2:45] <victhor> how putting 12 volts through a 11 volt capacitor = 11 volts?
[2:45] <MystX> Lower modulation
[2:45] <victhor> that will result in a fire or a yellow liquid spill
[2:45] <MystX> Lol
[2:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Shift_: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/lvds-interface
[2:47] <tntexplosivesltd> from maybe page 2 onwards
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[2:48] <Shift_> ah nuh, I don't know anything about this... it was relevant to what SpeedEvil was asking about, so I was just trying to find out who it was that was working on it, since I forgot.
[2:48] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[2:48] <MystX> Uhg. Nnot sure how to handle SFW/NSFW tagging on netframe
[2:48] <MystX> Since I dont trust the community
[2:49] <tntexplosivesltd> then don't worry about it
[2:49] <MystX> NSFW disclaimer on first visit?
[2:49] <MystX> Like ebaums
[2:50] * tntexplosivesltd shrugs
[2:50] <tntexplosivesltd> probably yeah
[2:50] <victhor> someone should show a "zener diode" to sightlight
[2:50] <victhor> that's what he needs :P
[2:50] <tntexplosivesltd> why?
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[2:50] <victhor> shunt regulator
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> Zeners have issues if your normal voltage approaches their turnon voltage.
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[2:50] <MystX> Ah
[2:50] <victhor> better than exploding capacitors, by any means
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> A 12V zener is not off at 11.99V
[2:50] <tntexplosivesltd> for what though
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> It's dissipating 95% or so of its nominal wattage
[2:51] <victhor> I thought that was the source of that weird schematic
[2:51] <victhor> sightlight, I mean.
[2:51] <tntexplosivesltd> I habe no idea
[2:51] <tntexplosivesltd> would not be surprised at all
[2:51] <tntexplosivesltd> he's... interesting
[2:52] <victhor> did he give up on downgrading his netbook?
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> I hope so
[2:52] <MystX> Lo
[2:52] <MystX> l
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[2:53] <MystX> I just remembered that I spewed on these headphones once
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> that does look like something he would draw
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> it's quite... messy...
[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> the circuit I mean
[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> not MystX
[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> but that us true too
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[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> * is
[2:54] <victhor> he is desperate to smell the blue smoke
[2:54] <MystX> My schematic drawing and breadboarding is fucking EMACULATE
[2:55] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: ._.
[2:55] <MystX> it is
[2:55] <MystX> YOu know it
[2:55] <Shift_> MystX, are you one of those people who trims each wire to the exact length so it fits snugly to the board and everything runs neatly in parallel?
[2:55] <MystX> >_>
[2:55] <victhor> I can't wait until I get my RTC board. I can't seem to find a suitable xtal, it is all fine pitch SMD and I suck at soldering SMD
[2:55] <Shift_> (the breadboard I mean)
[2:55] <tntexplosivesltd> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emaculate
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> you mean immaculate
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immaculate
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> =)
[2:56] <victhor> I don't think it will get to the stage of blue smoke... the pads will get destroyed before it has any chance to get released
[2:56] <MystX> I dodnt say my spelling was emaculate
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> that came oit well
[2:56] <Shift_> I am just interested in how he plans to get the 12v
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> * out
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> fuck
[2:57] <victhor> car battery, obviously
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> hang on
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> what's the po powered off there?
[2:57] <MystX> Shift_: 12v for what?
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> * pi
[2:57] <Shift_> MystX, for sightlight's schematic
[2:57] <MystX> Oh. What actually is it?
[2:57] <Shift_> it's a "power supply"
[2:57] <MystX> For what?
[2:57] <tntexplosivesltd> and that ladder of resistors is pointless
[2:58] <Shift_> MystX, a raspberry pi netbook
[2:58] <victhor> he will know it won't work when the capacitors either burn or explode (depending on type) after power up
[2:58] <tntexplosivesltd> down the left hand side
[2:58] <Shift_> tntexplosivesltd, no it's to "distribute good current"
[2:58] <MystX> Looool
[2:58] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[2:58] <victhor> ROfl
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[2:58] <MystX> Oh man
[2:58] <victhor> at least pis are $35... :P
[2:58] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't want to live on this planet any more
[2:59] <victhor> next: sightlight builds a perpetual motion machine to power his r-pi netbook
[2:59] <tntexplosivesltd> also how is he going to find an 11V cap?
[2:59] <Shift_> out of a resistor ladder
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> you use a 16V cap, or 25V
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> for a PSU, you need a regulator
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> at least
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> Generally, yes.
[3:00] <victhor> the capacitor is supposed to lower the voltage
[3:00] <victhor> according to him :P
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> (for computer equipment at least)
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> For a car battery powering a Pi, you simply use a car USB 'charger'
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> can we ban him?
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> If you don't have enough clue.
[3:00] <Shift_> no!
[3:00] <Shift_> I like him
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[3:00] * victhor sets ban on sightlight!*@*
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> he does entertain us
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> (though this risks damaging the battery due to overcharge)
[3:01] <_inc> I want to see the collateral
[3:01] <_inc> let him stay
[3:01] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[3:01] <victhor> reminds me of this for some reason http://youtu.be/wBkvzbw5cDM?t=45s
[3:01] <Shift_> how can you bad that face? http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407978_2837142459762_1595264811_32498607_531039264_n.jpg
[3:01] <tntexplosivesltd> "I blowed up my r-pi someone heeeeeelp"
[3:01] <victhor> it's a electric motor, but the guy says it's "free energy"
[3:02] <Shift_> *ban
[3:02] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: oh god, some rick music came on
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[3:02] <MystX> Sprite time?
[3:02] <victhor> destroying a perfectly good laptop - check
[3:02] <MystX> I think so
[3:02] <victhor> trying to build a voltage regulator using only capacitors - check
[3:03] <victhor> nonsense wiring - check
[3:03] <Hideki> oh heh
[3:03] <Hideki> the free energy people make me laugh
[3:03] <victhor> guess someone is set for a BIG surprise when they get the pi :)
[3:03] <Shift_> there was a guy in ##physics and ##astronomy going on about free energy... kind of like sightlight, but more complicated. He linked everyone to a 12 hour series of youtube videos to explain his position.... and the videos were just nonsense.
[3:03] <victhor> next: powering it with "free energy" devices
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[3:04] <Hideki> victhor, if you're not sufficiently amused, there's a few youtube videos purporting to show cold fusion
[3:04] <victhor> lol the one on that video is a electric motor - consumes power :P
[3:04] <victhor> rofl
[3:04] <victhor> I saw one which involved pyramids and magnets
[3:05] <tntexplosivesltd> copper pyramids?
[3:05] <tntexplosivesltd> magic ones?
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[3:05] <victhor> the guy showed a fan running from it... I wonder whether the wires were going to a power supply and the magnet was holding a reed switch closed :P
[3:05] <Hideki> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy0UBpagsu8
[3:05] <Hideki> that's a good video for such people
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahaha
[3:06] <Shift_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NePPp5ZczG8 =/
[3:06] <victhor> Stargate! :D
[3:06] <Shift_> and the website http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/
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[3:07] <victhor> it's a late 90's site D:
[3:08] <Shift_> no, it's actually from the future
[3:09] <_inc> what was the name of the guy from the future, who posted quite a detailed story on some newsgroup?
[3:09] <victhor> "Your generous donations help make this site possible, thank-you for your support! "
[3:09] <Shift_> and then there's this.... http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
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[3:09] <Hideki> is that the harry potter font
[3:10] <Hideki> on the hutchinson effect site
[3:10] <Hideki> it looks very like it
[3:10] <Shift_> so yeah, no shortage of nonsense out there
[3:10] <victhor> black/pink argh
[3:10] <_inc> ah, john titor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
[3:10] <MystX> OOOoooh so refreshing
[3:10] <MystX> Sprite was a good choice
[3:10] <victhor> "one of the ideas that fascinated him was the prospect of re-creating the Ark of the Covenant."
[3:10] <victhor> halo fanboy :(
[3:11] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: foosball soon?
[3:11] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm
[3:11] <MystX> Old guys playing atm
[3:11] <tntexplosivesltd> yea
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[3:11] <victhor> "Also during John's experiments with his other tesla equipment, he achieved effects such as [...] transmutation of elements"
[3:12] <victhor> sounds legit
[3:12] <Hideki> they do that at the LHC
[3:12] <Hideki> it's not exactly a cost effective way of producing gold though
[3:12] <Hideki> some reactors do it too
[3:12] <victhor> well I know it is possible... just not practical :)
[3:13] <victhor> and certainly not feasible with "tesla equipment"
[3:13] <Hideki> er, well, no, lol
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
[3:13] <victhor> some of the stuff in there remind me of Stargate for some reason lol
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: will hilight you when the old guys get back
[3:14] <MystX> Mmkay
[3:14] <MystX> Bring teammates
[3:14] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm
[3:15] <MystX> What happens if you have a chip and give it the correct voltage, but current limit it?
[3:17] <tntexplosivesltd> depends on what current the chop needs to deliver
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> If the current limit is below the desired voltage, then the voltage drops, and it stops working
[3:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * chip
[3:17] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> current limit is below the desired current
[3:17] <MystX> Right
[3:18] <MystX> So if you measure 5V across a chip, you can assume its receiving roughly the right current?
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> well probably
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> is that second board fully populated?
[3:19] <MystX> yup
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> old guys are back
[3:20] <MystX> k
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> MystX: When you sit on a table that can support 500Kg, does that mean you weigh 500Kg?
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> (Apologies if you do weigh 500Kg)
[3:25] <SpeedEvil> If you apply the specified voltage to a chip, or other load, it draws what current it needs.
[3:25] <SpeedEvil> As long as the power can supply more than the needed current, it just all works.
[3:25] <Gwildor> like a funnel....
[3:26] <Gwildor> ...sorta
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> You can't assume that the current is constant - and you can do stuff like regulating with a resistor.
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> This is like trying to regulate the height of a shelf by tying it to the ceiling with springs.
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> Works only for one load.
[3:26] <_inc> or a ladder of capacitors :)
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> You can make a regulator out of caps, sort-of.
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> But it's complex.
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> - charge pump.
[3:28] <_inc> dont listen to me, im being silly
[3:28] <Shift_> it would be funny if we're all stupid and sightlight knows something we don't
[3:29] <_inc> I'm sorta hoping he's actually an electronics genious and has trolled us all well and truely
[3:35] <Shift_> judging by this soldering.... no... http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408818_2837333664542_1595264811_32498640_762752986_n.jpg
[3:35] <ReggieUK> who?
[3:36] <Shift_> ReggieUK, the guy making the raspberry pi netbook out of resistors
[3:36] <_inc> ReggieUK: "sightlight"
[3:38] <_inc> he's trolling anyways
[3:38] <_inc> he claimed he only had a netbook and nothing else
[3:39] <_inc> then he posts a mugshot with a desktop machine in the background
[3:39] <victhor> :O
[3:39] <_inc> he claims he only had the netbook hard drive, yet in that photo there is a 3.5"
[3:39] <Shift_> I think he's dishonest, but not a troll.
[3:43] <victhor> today I was feeling quite happy that I managed to find a way to reduce costs on some battery powered stuff.
[3:44] <victhor> reusing stuff on other projects
[3:44] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmm
[3:44] <tntexplosivesltd> slaughter
[3:44] <MystX> SpeedEvil: Yeah i meant if it has 5v, its not being current limited
[3:45] <MystX> (i dont weight 500kg)
[3:45] <MystX> (close)
[3:53] <MystX> >_>
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[3:55] <ReggieUK> he's a fscking idiot
[3:56] <tntexplosivesltd> who?
[3:56] <ReggieUK> troll or genius, he's still a knob
[3:56] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight?
[3:56] <ReggieUK> sightlight
[3:56] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[3:56] <tntexplosivesltd> I think he's a bit stupid
[3:57] <Shift_> .... bitching about people behind their backs..... shame on you.
[3:57] <ReggieUK> not so sure about stupid but just plain ignorant
[3:57] <ReggieUK> shift, if there are logs, you can see where I bitch to his face
[3:57] <_inc> i bitch about him in front of him to
[3:57] <ReggieUK> repeat anything you like to him
[3:57] <tntexplosivesltd> he didn't know what X was. Ubuntu does that to people though
[3:57] <_inc> * too
[3:57] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, he knows what I think of him
[3:57] <Shift_> (lol, I know, I've obviously been doing the same and I am not saying anything I haven't said to him directly)
[3:58] <ReggieUK> ubuntu doesn't make people write 5v against a capacitor and think that writing it will be enough to regulate the voltage on it
[3:58] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[3:59] <_inc> schematics are written up. it HAS to work
[3:59] <mrdragons> I'm not quite sure what to think of him, he's an odd fellow for sure
[3:59] <tntexplosivesltd> lol he's infamous
[4:00] <tntexplosivesltd> not in a good way
[4:00] <mrdragons> Ohsit I almost flooded chat by accident
[4:00] <mrdragons> Thank god irssi caught that
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[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[4:01] <ReggieUK> I just don't get on with people that won't listen to simple good advice when they're sooooo wrong about their knowledge of a subject
[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> or they have no knowledge at all
[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> like AT ALL
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[4:02] <ReggieUK> my real issue is, what if he is a kid messing around with electronics like this?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> I mean, if it's an adult then it's their choice to accept or decline a darwin award
[4:03] <mrdragons> I'm pretty sure he said he's 19
[4:04] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, darwinable then
[4:04] <Wolfram74> who's being terminally stupid?
[4:04] <ReggieUK> I say next time he's in, we tell him flame tastes of candy floss
[4:05] <ReggieUK> or hershey bars
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[4:05] <Wolfram74> what is this sightlight person up to?
[4:05] <_inc> Call the feds, tell them he's building and IED (which he effectively is with all those caps) :P
[4:06] <ReggieUK> well, I commend anyone that want's to try and learn electronics and there's nothing wrong with experimenting
[4:06] <tntexplosivesltd> Wolfram74: general ignorance and arrogance
[4:06] <ReggieUK> but if you'd seen the circuit diagram he's knocked up you really would've pissed yourself laughing
[4:07] <Wolfram74> from what i've got someone is doing something reckless with a capacitor/capacitor bank?
[4:07] <_inc> like you said though, he isn't willing to learn. he shoots down every piece of good advice hes been given
[4:07] <tntexplosivesltd> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396301_2840536264605_1595264811_32499873_251382786_n.jpg
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> Wolfram74: ^^
[4:08] <ReggieUK> 2 power rails, joined, a bunch of resistors between the rails and ground and some mysterious valued capacitors (5v, 11v etc.) that are doing all the 'regulatin'
[4:08] <mrdragons> Wait... I... What...
[4:08] <mrdragons> ._.
[4:08] <ReggieUK> is it making your eyes bleed yet?
[4:09] <Wolfram74> but... but capacitors don't regulate... you need a diode or a resistor in series or... or something?
[4:09] <ReggieUK> It's an a4 drawing of magic smoke is what it is
[4:09] <tntexplosivesltd> > open bag > all my chocolate bars fall out > everyone in the office is staring at me
[4:10] <_inc> IED :)
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[4:10] <ReggieUK> I get the feeling that he thinks the caps are batteries because they store power
[4:11] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[4:11] <ReggieUK> ignoring the fact that they charge/discharge too
[4:11] <Wolfram74> they store electric fields
[4:11] <tntexplosivesltd> if he is a troll, he has put too much work into it, and needs to get a life
[4:11] <mrdragons> True
[4:11] <tntexplosivesltd> if not, I can't wait til he comes back
[4:12] <ReggieUK> if not he's either dangerous or youtube gold
[4:15] <_inc> Further reading: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi#p32609
[4:17] <ReggieUK> is that a 1cm touchpad in that picture?
[4:17] <MystX> HAHAHA
[4:17] <ReggieUK> oh wait, that thing is the pi above it
[4:17] <tntexplosivesltd> oh my god...
[4:18] <mrdragons> T_T
[4:18] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't want to live on this planet any more
[4:18] <MystX> Oh man i dont think there's one solid joint on those resistors
[4:19] <ReggieUK> you're worried that he's got bad solder joints? I think that's the least of his worries
[4:19] <mrdragons> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407978_2837142459762_1595264811_32498607_531039264_n.jpg
[4:19] <mrdragons> He's using a desktop there...
[4:19] <Shift_> hmm... youtube has some good technology.... just uploaded a video for my brother without specifying any tags, tile or description and it managed to figure out the contents of the video and suggest the tags. =/
[4:19] <_inc> MystX: he must have smoked one solid joint when he drew that
[4:19] <ReggieUK> I think his number 1 priority is remembering how to breathe
[4:20] <mrdragons> I thought he said he only had a netbook...?
[4:20] <MystX> _inc: or 3
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I see no desktop
[4:20] <tntexplosivesltd> there's a kb
[4:20] <_inc> Shift_: What, like voice recognition? I didn't know that.
[4:20] <mrdragons> Shift_: That's kind of weird, maybe speech-to-text technology?
[4:21] <tntexplosivesltd> but I do the same with a laptop
[4:21] <ReggieUK> I think that kb is going to be part of his netbook
[4:21] <ReggieUK> he just needs to add serial
[4:21] <mrdragons> Oh
[4:21] <Shift_> it was a baby video... so there wasn't any speech other than baby noises
[4:21] <ReggieUK> mrdragons, I'm joking
[4:22] <mrdragons> >_>
[4:22] <ReggieUK> I reckon the next picture we see will have scorch marks on his desk and no eyebrows
[4:22] <MystX> Shift_: would have been ebter if it suggested satanic things
[4:22] <mrdragons> Well it doesn't sound that rediculous compared to the other stuff he's been saying. :P
[4:22] <MystX> better*
[4:22] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: there is a keyboard, speakers and a mouse. I called bullshit on him deducing that he had a desktop, and he admitted that it was his other machine
[4:22] <tntexplosivesltd> I want to comment on that forum
[4:23] <tntexplosivesltd> so much
[4:23] <tntexplosivesltd> but I don't want to get banned
[4:23] <ReggieUK> should probably tip off a mod about him
[4:23] <Shift_> I used to be a mod back in the day.... before I stopped going on the forum =(
[4:23] <_inc> he's teaching other newcomers bullshit electronics
[4:23] <ReggieUK> as it's the official site, they wouldn't want to encourage children to use a pi with that kind of bad electronics in a thread
[4:24] <mrdragons> Just think of the children!
[4:24] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: pack up time
[4:24] <ReggieUK> well, it is the ultimate aim of the pi project
[4:24] <tntexplosivesltd> okay
[4:25] <ReggieUK> to a point we can get up to whatever we like here because it's not an official channel
[4:25] <mrdragons> I know, I just find the "protect the children" argument used for everything funny
[4:26] <MystX> HOME TIME
[4:27] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi#p33463
[4:27] <_inc> pub on the way home?
[4:27] <Shift_> MystX, you sure? it's soup time over here.
[4:27] <MystX> i wish
[4:27] <tntexplosivesltd> I couldn't help myself
[4:27] <tntexplosivesltd> OKAY HOME TIME
[4:27] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: you have saved countless precious lives today
[4:27] <Hideki> ah, sightlight again, heh
[4:27] <MystX> ;Might just drink tnt's beer when i get home
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[4:29] <Shift_> Hideki, still*
[4:29] <Shift_> we've been talking about him for the last few hours =)
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[4:55] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: lol it's a gift I have XD
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[5:27] <ReggieUK> g'night all
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[5:54] <tntexplosivesltd> hehe "The power supply design does not seem to have a strong basis in electrical theory."
[5:54] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: XD
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[5:56] <sightlight> hello
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[5:56] <sightlight> what?
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> have you ever done any electrical theory?
[5:57] <sightlight> can you get OFF my back with that stuff.
[5:57] <sightlight> ?
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> it's a serious question
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> I am just wondering
[5:57] <sightlight> yes.
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> how much?
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[5:58] <sightlight> a couple projects from the electronic learning lab
[5:58] <tntexplosivesltd> okay
[5:58] <sightlight> (kit)
[5:59] <sightlight> also, I got drivers freshly release for pouslbo
[5:59] <sightlight> im downloading XOnotic as we speak
[5:59] <sightlight> see how it goes.
[5:59] <tntexplosivesltd> So are you willing to accept constructive criticism on your circuit diagram?
[6:00] <sightlight> I accept "fix this and that",, I dont accept "Go elsewhere, this guys is crazy"
[6:00] <sightlight> lol
[6:00] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah
[6:01] <uriah> <--- this guy is crazy
[6:01] <uriah> :P
[6:01] <uriah> just had to
[6:01] <SpeedEvil> sightlight: you can't regulate voltage with capacitors, for one.
[6:01] <tntexplosivesltd> to start with, that resistor ladder doesn't need to be there, it just wastes power
[6:01] <tntexplosivesltd> if you are looking to regulate voltages, use regulators
[6:01] <SpeedEvil> Or, indeed resistors.
[6:01] <sightlight> I changed the resistors howthey where
[6:01] <sightlight> paralel.
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[6:02] <sightlight> they are diferent
[6:02] <uriah> isn't there already a 5v regulator built into the raspi?
[6:02] <tntexplosivesltd> you probably don't need them
[6:02] <SpeedEvil> The power drawn by the Pi, and other components will vary. You need some active circuit to stabilise this voltage through the varying load.
[6:02] <tntexplosivesltd> if you go over a capacitor's voltage, you'll really ruin it
[6:03] <tntexplosivesltd> uriah: not sure, it mught expect 5V regulated and take it down to 3.3 and 1.8 with on-board regulators
[6:03] <SpeedEvil> This is a regulator - they are unexpensive.
[6:03] <uriah> hm
[6:03] <SpeedEvil> in
[6:03] <uriah> i doubt it. they talk about using 4 aa batteries
[6:03] <tntexplosivesltd> uriah: don't quote me, I may be wrong
[6:03] <uriah> heh k
[6:03] <sightlight> I probably with wait until maybe the team release another board to control things or something
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> uriah: that might be with an external regulator
[6:04] <uriah> perhaps
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> no idea
[6:04] <uriah> same
[6:04] <sightlight> or people
[6:04] <SpeedEvil> sightlight: I recommend as a first step - pop over to ##electronics - and read the ebooks in the topic
[6:04] <uriah> i thought i read somewhere that the board regulated it though, but who knows
[6:04] <SpeedEvil> sightlight: Or get a copy of 'the art of electronics' by horowitz and hall.
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> a strong basis in electrical theory can take you very far
[6:05] <sightlight> I got books of electronics that came with the Lab.
[6:05] <sightlight> its ok
[6:05] <sightlight> many projects
[6:05] <uriah> more sources of knowledge is a good thing... its recommendation had best not be disregarded
[6:06] <ctyler> uriah: the early board designs accepted 6-20v and regulated it down, the release boards expect 5v
[6:06] <uriah> ah, alright
[6:06] <uriah> why the change?
[6:06] <sightlight> when they coming out?
[6:06] <mrdragons> Cost
[6:06] <uriah> ah, k
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: ninja'd
[6:06] <uriah> they're coming out on the 24th, a time traveller told me
[6:06] <uriah> :P
[6:06] <ctyler> so you can use USB chargers
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: when they're done
[6:07] <uriah> ctyler: what about batteries though?
[6:07] <SpeedEvil> I bet on the 14th of March.
[6:07] <SpeedEvil> For obvious reasons.
[6:07] <ctyler> uriah: too bad he didn't tell you the month
[6:07] <uriah> ;D
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[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> uriah: use a regulator
[6:07] <uriah> k
[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> connected to the batteries
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[6:07] <uriah> 5v reg it is
[6:07] <mrdragons> You can still use 4 batteries, just add a diode to bring the voltage down to 5.3v for a hack-y way of doing it
[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> make a power supply
[6:07] <ctyler> uriah: there are tons of battery-to-usb reg circuits that are cheap
[6:07] <tntexplosivesltd> then tell sightlight how it works XD
[6:07] <uriah> alright, cool
[6:08] <uriah> i already have a 5v regulator and some caps
[6:08] <SpeedEvil> 4 AA batteries will vary from 6.6 to 4V or so under various states of charge
[6:08] * ctyler wishes for something as simple as a 7805 that was a lot more efficient
[6:08] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, the batteries should really be above the regulator output at all times =/
[6:08] <mrdragons> Didn't say it was perfect. :P
[6:09] <sightlight> hey
[6:09] <sightlight> is there some Halo mod for quake 3?
[6:09] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[6:09] <mrdragons> Prolly, but they use fairly different engines...
[6:10] <uriah> SpeedEvil: what would you recommend that one do when the voltage of 4 AA batteries goes lower than 5v?
[6:10] <mrdragons> I'm sure there's one to replicate looks
[6:10] <tntexplosivesltd> uriah: replace them XD
[6:10] <uriah> tntexplosivesltd: nah i mean to turn the computer off to avoid frying it
[6:10] <tntexplosivesltd> it won't fry it
[6:11] <tntexplosivesltd> the voltage from the regulator will just sag
[6:11] <uriah> sag?
[6:11] <uriah> please describe in a pwm fashion
[6:11] <uriah> :P
[6:11] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing to do with pwm
[6:11] <uriah> -_-_-_-_-_-
[6:11] <uriah> :P
[6:11] <SpeedEvil> ctyler: they are common.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-LM2596-Low-Ripple-DC-DC-Converter-Step-Down-Buck-Module-Power-Supply-/170737368260?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item27c0bd7cc4
[6:11] <SpeedEvil> For example
[6:11] <tntexplosivesltd> it will be below the desired output voltage
[6:12] <uriah> ok
[6:12] <SpeedEvil> uriah: you need a buck/boost switching supply
[6:12] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively.
[6:12] <uriah> hmm, k
[6:12] <mrdragons> Oh cool
[6:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-3V-5V-1A-Voltage-Step-up-Power-Regulator-Transformer-Module-500KHz-NEW-/300629663919?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item45feeca0af
[6:13] <SpeedEvil> And you attach one protected li-ion cell to it
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[6:13] <SpeedEvil> That suppply will work over the entire li-ion range
[6:13] <SpeedEvil> Or 3AA, whatever.
[6:14] <SpeedEvil> (I have no experience with this seller)
[6:15] <mrdragons> Oh cool, the input voltage to that could be 1 < n < 5 volts
[6:15] <mrdragons> Cell phone batteries
[6:15] * uriah wonders if there will be a proper howto wiki community somewhere for the raspi
[6:16] <tntexplosivesltd> I really really hope so
[6:16] <SpeedEvil> mrdragons: Li-ion cells get damaged if you use them down to under 3V. There exist protected cells that have a circuit that protects you from overdraining them.
[6:16] <mrdragons> I'll contribute to it after I get my hands on some pi
[6:16] <uriah> indeed, same
[6:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=li-ion+protected
[6:16] <uriah> SpeedEvil: the protective circuit just turns a switch to off?
[6:17] <SpeedEvil> yes
[6:17] <uriah> cool
[6:17] <mrdragons> SpeedEvil: I need to learn a lot on electronics, any suggested reading material?
[6:17] <tntexplosivesltd> 4 years at uni XD
[6:17] <uriah> heh
[6:17] <mrdragons> Hurr internet
[6:17] <SpeedEvil> For example, the 3600mAh li-ions listed there would through that converter run the pi for about 5 hours.
[6:18] <SpeedEvil> If the 3600mAh batteries in that link were actually that value, and it wasn't the sticker lying, of course.
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[6:19] <SpeedEvil> I strongly recommend http://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521370957 - the first third of the first 6 chapters is most 'beginning electronics' books.
[6:19] <SpeedEvil> It's written in an easy to read way, with quite a lot of examples, and avoids the heavy math.
[6:19] <tntexplosivesltd> heavy maths ftw
[6:20] <SpeedEvil> Not everyone finds heavy maths the easy way to learn.
[6:20] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[6:20] <SpeedEvil> In addition, heavy maths based knowledge is more fragile.
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[6:20] <SpeedEvil> You tend to forget it if it's not backed by rules of thumb.
[6:20] <tntexplosivesltd> well, if it's based in that yeah
[6:20] <mrdragons> Sounds good, thanks
[6:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean complementing the learning
[6:20] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively - there are ebooks in the topic of ##electronics - they're not terrible.
[6:21] <mrdragons> Just joined the channel cause you were talking about that
[6:21] <SpeedEvil> And hanging out there can help you to clarify your knowledge.
[6:21] <uriah> SpeedEvil: 5 hours at full power, that is :P
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[6:21] <SpeedEvil> uriah: Indeed - I question how well the power managment will work.
[6:21] <uriah> i asked
[6:21] <uriah> in the forum
[6:21] <SpeedEvil> While I've seen extreme power managment on ARMs - it is a chip AIUI targeted at routers.
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[6:23] <uriah> SpeedEvil: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/power-management-options
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[6:25] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[6:25] <uriah> indeed
[6:26] <SpeedEvil> Generally, processors that get good power managment can go a _lot_ lower.
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[6:26] <SpeedEvil> But that needs to be built into the design
[6:26] <uriah> yeah...
[6:26] <SpeedEvil> My phone CPU draws ~1.5mA when ssh-into-able, and wifi and 3g on
[6:26] <uriah> huh
[6:26] <uriah> 1.5mA??
[6:27] <uriah> you sure about that?
[6:27] <SpeedEvil> Of that order.
[6:27] <uriah> that barely makes any sense...
[6:27] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm, I doubt that
[6:27] <SpeedEvil> The whole phone draws 8.6
[6:27] <tntexplosivesltd> oh lol
[6:27] <tntexplosivesltd> cpu itself
[6:27] <tntexplosivesltd> how did you measure it?
[6:27] <uriah> oh
[6:28] <SpeedEvil> It will last ~6 days with wifi power saving on a 1200mAh battery.
[6:28] <tntexplosivesltd> (the radio unit uses a lot of power)
[6:28] <SpeedEvil> The cellmo wants ~3mA (av)
[6:28] <SpeedEvil> These numbers are @4V or so
[6:28] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
[6:28] <uriah> SpeedEvil: which phone?
[6:28] <uriah> oic
[6:28] <uriah> cool
[6:29] <SpeedEvil> I'm also subtracting the memory figure from the 1.5mA.
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[6:36] <uriah> gnight
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[11:04] <tntexplosivesltd> then, no activity
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> *tumbleweed rolls by*
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> *rattlesnake in the distance*
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> this is weird
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> I expect some noob to come on and start talking about windows any minute
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> DOES IT RUN WINDOWS!?!?!??!
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> YES AND IT CAN PLAY CRYSIS ON HIGH DETAIL
[11:08] * Davespice chuckles
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> AND IT CAN MAKE A CAKE FOR YOU
[11:08] <Davespice> guys can I get you all to test a website for me?
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> AND MAKE YOU TYPE IN CAPS
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> Davespice: www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> depends -_-
[11:08] <Davespice> lol, it's clean - it's what will be my blog site
[11:08] <Davespice> http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/
[11:09] <Davespice> it was giving directory listing forbidden before...
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> nope, works
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> although -10 points for using wordpress
[11:10] * Davespice shrugs
[11:10] <Davespice> I actually wasn't given a choice at it happens
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> it looks almost ecaxtly like the r-pi site XD
[11:11] <tntexplosivesltd> hehehe
[11:11] <Davespice> yeah, I did have their logo in the banner for a bit
[11:11] <Davespice> but then I read their terms of logo usage and decided against it
[11:12] <Davespice> does the Projects page load okay>
[11:12] <Davespice> ?
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> yup
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> heh python
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> for teaching
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> makes sense
[11:13] <Davespice> jolly good, thanks for testing it
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> np
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[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> ohai Kostic
[11:14] <Kostic> tntexplosivesltd hello
[11:15] <Kostic> Whats up?
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> absolutely nothing =(
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> it's real quiet for some reason
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> maybe everyone gave up, and only 10,000 people are interested now
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> which would suit me fine
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> wishful thinking
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh crap, bed time
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[11:16] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 14??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 77%, Later 18??C - 11??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:16] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecast
[11:16] <PiBot> Not found.
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather set forecast
[11:17] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 14??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 77%, Later 18??C - 11??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:17] <PiBot> Wed: High 22??C Low 16??C :Condition Clear
[11:17] <PiBot> Thu: High 20??C Low 16??C :Condition Clear
[11:17] <PiBot> Fri: High 20??C Low 12??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> awesome
[11:17] <tntexplosivesltd> night all
[11:18] <Kostic> !w
[11:18] <PiBot> Kostic: in Baltimore, MD on Tue Jan 24 08:54:00 2012. Temp 44??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 96%, Later 54??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:19] <Kostic> Baltimore??
[11:19] <Kostic> lol
[11:19] <Anppa> !w
[11:19] <PiBot> Anppa: in Baltimore, MD on Tue Jan 24 08:54:00 2012. Temp 44??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 96%, Later 54??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:19] <Anppa> :)
[11:19] <Kostic> I just got up. 11:20 here...
[11:19] <Anppa> 12:20 here :)
[11:20] <Kostic> Where are u Anppa?
[11:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[11:20] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Tue Jan 24 09:50:00 2012. Temp 6??C. Condition: Drizzle, Humidity: 93%, Later 11??C - 7??C. Condition: Rain.
[11:20] <Anppa> Finlan
[11:20] <Anppa> d
[11:21] <Kostic> Are there any news about RasPi?
[11:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> nothing new
[11:21] <Kostic> Are they shipping it or what?
[11:22] <haltdef> still nothing new :P
[11:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> are we nearly there yet?
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> also everytime you ask they put it back by 12hrs
[11:28] <Kostic> I didn't know that. Guess I should shut my mouth up. :D
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[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ummm
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[13:57] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[13:57] <IT_Sean> morning
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[14:18] <IT_Sean> !w
[14:18] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue Jan 24 15:53:00 2012. Temp 39??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 93%, Later 45??F - 25??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[14:18] <victhor> if you power a S/R latch with both S and R pulled up (logic state 1), you get a black hole? :P
[14:19] <IT_Sean> Is that anything like putting a humidifier and a dehumidifier in the same room?
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[14:24] <noname^^> victhor, "maybe"
[14:25] <victhor> :)
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[14:31] <Hideki> bah, 4 adverts before I can even start watching on 4od
[14:31] <haltdef> skins? :P
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[14:49] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[14:49] <Anppa> yes, but all sold out
[14:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> also everytime you ask they put it back by 12hrs
[14:50] <haltdef> every time someone says they put it back every time someone asks when its out it gets put back further
[14:50] <haltdef> !
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[14:57] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: no. it isn't. stop asking.
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[15:24] <haltdef> tntexplosivesltd, you seen sightlight's "designs" then
[15:24] <haltdef> ????
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Is he the one that was in here the other day, that has probably electrocuted himself by now?
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> Wasn't he trying to make some sort of backasswards AC DC rectifier or something?
[15:26] <haltdef> out of 5 resistors on a board, yes
[15:27] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[15:27] <haltdef> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi
[15:27] <IT_Sean> Has he been seen since?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> has the PI got any capability for RS232?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> ... without a USB adapter?
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[15:28] <victhor> "The power supply design does not seem to have a strong basis in electrical theory."
[15:28] <victhor> :D
[15:28] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[15:29] <IT_Sean> His design did not seem to have a strong basis in REALITY!
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[15:29] <haltdef> the whole idea doesn't
[15:29] <victhor> I would be, like, "ok" if he used zeners to make a shunt regulator
[15:29] <victhor> but capacitors? :/
[15:30] <haltdef> I know less than he does about electrical theory
[15:30] <victhor> IT_Sean, there is a serial port but it uses TTL logic levels... you need a RS232 transceiver like the MAX3232 to use it with RS232
[15:30] <haltdef> I'm also not trying to design a PSU of any kind :>
[15:30] * victhor is
[15:30] <IT_Sean> wow... that desgn sketch is really poor
[15:30] <victhor> of course, I might just hurt myself in the process
[15:30] <IT_Sean> victhor: thanks.
[15:31] <haltdef> http://www.anandtech.com/show/5450/mobile-broadband-natively-supported-in-windows-8
[15:31] <haltdef> that'll be nice
[15:31] <haltdef> atm there's tons of connection software, all crap
[15:31] <piofcube> yeah but he did have three colours... black brown and red so that should be okay... if it was orange, maybe not :P
[15:31] <haltdef> same as vanilla xp for wifi heh
[15:31] <victhor> m$ finally catches up with features present in other oses
[15:32] <haltdef> do other OSes support 3g with a standard ui? never tried
[15:32] <victhor> if "other os" = linux, yes
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[15:33] <haltdef> prioritise wifi over 3g too
[15:33] <haltdef> handy
[15:33] * IT_Sean will probably just use the USB / Serial adapter he has lying around, as he already has it
[15:34] <haltdef> I'd imagine it'll depend on the 3g chipset venfor to provide new drivers based on the new standard
[15:34] <haltdef> which'll suck
[15:35] * SpeedEvil setup /etc/pppd/* for his 3g modem explicitly.
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[15:36] <SpeedEvil> I used my 1990 dialup files, and just changed the password and port
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[15:58] <ahven> forebode, forebode :P
[15:59] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:00] <IT_Sean> supposidly, as long as you instal SP3, it'll work. But... that's according to Microshaft, so... who knows.
[16:01] <feep> foooorebooooode.
[16:01] <feep> forebode and hindbode
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[16:03] <IT_Sean>
[16:04] <feep> "This does not mean that I fail to recognise that Lisp is still #1 for key algorithmic techniques such as recursion and condescension. It just means that I have no idea how, or indeed if, Lisp handles exceptions."
[16:04] <feep> Amusingly, Lisp handles exceptions far better than C++.
[16:04] <feep> (conditions ftwww)
[16:07] <feep> it's funny because conditions can actually do things that exceptions literally can'
[16:07] <feep> 't
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[16:07] <feep> that is, conditions can _resume_ execution.
[16:08] <feep> for instance, my favorite example ever, if you write a download() function, and it raises an error because of a timeout, the handler may invoke "return-null" or "retry"
[16:08] <feep> hell, the handler may throw up a dialog box if it so pleases.
[16:09] <feep> this is undeniably the Coolest Thing Ever.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> O_0
[16:12] <feep> "1991 - Dutch programmer Guido van Rossum travels to Argentina for a mysterious operation. He returns with a large cranial scar, invents Python, is declared Dictator for Life by legions of followers, and announces to the world that "There Is Only One Way to Do It." Poland becomes nervous."
[16:12] <feep> http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html <3
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[16:15] <noname^^> haha
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[16:27] <victhor> what's with 1366x768?
[16:27] <victhor> everything I buy has 1366x768 resolution LCDs.
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[16:28] <haltdef> 1280x720 is a little low for a computer screen
[16:29] <Thorn_> yeah my phone runs 720p
[16:29] <Thorn_> and it's 3.5"
[16:30] <Thorn_> (im kidding)
[16:30] <Thorn_> but even most phones these days do 800x480
[16:30] <Thorn_> 1366x768 for a 5x larger screen is a bit blurry :D
[16:30] <haltdef> my 4.8" umpc is 1024x600
[16:31] <Thorn_> pfft rich people
[16:31] <Aquilus_> Thorn_: Moving towards 720p now, actually.
[16:31] <noname^^> 720p is pretty standard for new phones
[16:31] <noname^^> hehe ;M)
[16:31] <noname^^> -M
[16:31] <Aquilus_> Galaxy Nexus, anyway. Though that phone is sort of big :p
[16:31] <hamitron> my 17" monitor does 1024x768 flicker free
[16:31] <hamitron> ;)
[16:31] <Dagger3> 1366x768 is 768px height + 16/9 ratio... that's why it became common
[16:31] <Aquilus_> Not that you *need* 720p on a phone, mind you.
[16:32] <noname^^> I see it as an absolute requirement for my next buy
[16:32] <noname^^> /sarcasm
[16:32] <haltdef> I'm still using a nokia n900
[16:32] <noname^^> they should make one that's thinner and has a capacitive multitouch screen :/
[16:32] <noname^^> but that's not gonna happen now >_>;
[16:33] <noname^^> nokia seem hellbent on going bankrupt
[16:33] <noname^^> err, has/have
[16:33] <haltdef> I can't wait to see their WP7 phones fail
[16:33] <noname^^> haha
[16:33] <hamitron> maybe they are wanting to buy back their shares.... once they got them back they can start profiting again? ;)
[16:33] <Thorn_> tbh
[16:33] <haltdef> was so looking forward to a meego phone
[16:34] <Thorn_> everyone i know that's actually used a wp7 phone say they're great
[16:34] <Thorn_> and i'm certainly looking forward to trying one, anything's gotta be better than android
[16:34] <Thorn_> well, maybe not symbian
[16:34] <haltdef> android has been ok for me
[16:34] <hamitron> I like symbian ;/
[16:34] <Thorn_> :D
[16:34] <haltdef> it's a stupid cyanogenmod bug that got me back on my n900
[16:35] <hamitron> uses less resources anyway
[16:35] * hamitron wants a n900 again
[16:35] <haltdef> not spending hours dicking about with tons of third party roms like I did on windows mobile
[16:35] <haltdef> they all sucked equally in the end
[16:35] <hamitron> or is a n9 better?
[16:40] <ahven> symbian atleast had USB HID profiles support by default :P
[16:40] <ahven> blah, bluetooth HID, I mean
[16:41] <ahven> started thinking about connecting a desktop keyboard connected to a tiny phone
[16:41] <hamitron> I feel android is just overly complicated, for what is needed for a phone
[16:41] <noname^^> it's a SMART phone
[16:41] <hamitron> yeh, so was symbian
[16:41] <noname^^> if you just want "a phone" you could buy one for a lot cheaper
[16:41] <hamitron> android is ofc smarter
[16:41] <hamitron> ;)
[16:41] <ahven> 2.x series is okish
[16:41] <noname^^> symbian >_>;;
[16:41] <noname^^> dumb phone imo
[16:42] <hamitron> s60 I found not as smart ofc, but it did more than the basic type phone
[16:42] <noname^^> though it was years since I used symbian
[16:42] <hamitron> it was smart for the day, lets say
[16:42] <hamitron> :)
[16:42] <noname^^> maybe it's better nowadays
[16:42] <noname^^> I had some other motorla phone that was ~s60
[16:42] <hamitron> my last phone was symbian 60v5
[16:42] <noname^^> a930?
[16:42] <noname^^> something like that
[16:43] <hamitron> honestly, I've never got on with touch screens
[16:43] <hamitron> my fingers must be fat :/
[16:43] <noname^^> haha
[16:44] <noname^^> sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad
[16:44] <noname^^> they're a lot more straight forward to use
[16:44] <noname^^> see something you want to do? tap on it
[16:44] <hamitron> "tap on it"..... ends up hitting the wrong thing ;/
[16:44] <hamitron> I see how "simple" they are, if only I could physically do what I am trying to
[16:45] <noname^^> xD
[16:45] <hamitron> my favourite phone of all time.... ngage qd
[16:45] <noname^^> get a capacitive stylus?
[16:45] <noname^^> haha
[16:45] <noname^^> sideways talking!
[16:45] <hamitron> no
[16:45] <hamitron> that was the normal ngage
[16:45] <hamitron> ;/
[16:45] <noname^^> oh xD
[16:45] <noname^^> still, hilarious :x
[16:46] <hamitron> the qd had a nicer bright screen
[16:46] <noname^^> I see
[16:46] <hamitron> I had a normal ngage before
[16:46] <hamitron> :)
[16:46] <noname^^> haha, awesome
[16:46] <hamitron> and I upgraded to the qd, so could still use my satnav kit
[16:46] <noname^^> oh, it had satnav?
[16:47] <hamitron> s60v2 was smart, and had bluetooth
[16:47] <LiENUS> hahahahaha
[16:47] <hamitron> ;)
[16:47] <LiENUS> im at csci 192
[16:47] <LiENUS> introduction to programming
[16:47] <LiENUS> sobord
[16:47] <hamitron> :/
[16:47] <hamitron> pay attention LiENUS
[16:47] <LiENUS> lolno
[16:47] <hamitron> you may learn something
[16:47] <hamitron> ;)
[16:47] <LiENUS> i've got a half a million lines of code under my belt
[16:47] <hamitron> you can still always learn
[16:47] <hamitron> ;/
[16:47] <LiENUS> ima come up with my own line of raspberrypi clones
[16:48] <LiENUS> and call them the rapberry pi
[16:48] <noname^^> ...profit
[16:48] <hamitron> for example
[16:48] <LiENUS> is raspberrypi.org down for you guys?
[16:48] <LiENUS> or is internet suck here
[16:48] <LiENUS> err not rapberry pi rapsberry pi
[16:48] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:48] <hamitron> yesterday I learned, lots of linux users don't know the octel form for file permissions
[16:49] <noname^^> seems to be working here
[16:49] <LiENUS> gotta have the s
[16:49] <hamitron> I just thought everyone who used it, knew
[16:49] <hamitron> :/
[16:49] <IT_Sean> does a rapberrypi wear it's hat backwords and it's trousers 'round it's ankles?
[16:49] <LiENUS> ...
[16:49] <LiENUS> no
[16:50] <noname^^> I thought chmod -R 777 was the first thing anyone ever learned :x
[16:50] <LiENUS> its not a punk
[16:50] <Aquilus_> And large gold chains?
[16:50] <LiENUS> protip, trousers round your ankles == you're looking for a man to have sex with
[16:50] <LiENUS> dont do it
[16:50] <LiENUS> true story its prison code
[16:51] <LiENUS> teacher asks what a "kilobyte" is
[16:51] <LiENUS> do i say 1000 or 1024
[16:51] <IT_Sean> 1024
[16:51] <noname^^> unless of course you're looking for a man to have sex with
[16:51] <Thorn_> 1024
[16:51] <Thorn_> SI is for losers
[16:51] <LiENUS> she said kilobyte not kibi
[16:51] <noname^^> then it's recommended
[16:51] <LiENUS> noname^^, well true
[16:51] <LiENUS> o yay she said 1000
[16:51] <LiENUS> ...
[16:51] <LiENUS> fffuuu
[16:51] <LiENUS> nooo she said 1024 KB in a MB
[16:52] <noname^^> "kibi" never caught on
[16:52] <Thorn_> kirby on the other hand
[16:52] <LiENUS> its better than the confusion of 1024kilo
[16:52] <noname^^> 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes, unless you're a harddrive manufacturer :P
[16:52] <hamitron> Mb = megabits? and MB = megabytes?
[16:52] <noname^^> sometimes :P
[16:53] * hamitron gives up
[16:53] <LiENUS> hamitron, unless your lazy like me and say mb
[16:53] <LiENUS> when i say mb i mean megabytes typically
[16:53] <hamitron> LiENUS, lazy is fine
[16:53] <hamitron> :)
[16:53] <LiENUS> not microbits
[16:53] <noname^^> well, Mb is probably megabits
[16:53] <hamitron> megabits
[16:53] <LiENUS> in SI m == micro iirc
[16:53] <LiENUS> M is mega
[16:53] <Thorn_> nobody cares about SI
[16:53] <hamitron> how can you have a microbit? ;/
[16:53] <Thorn_> get that crappy standard out of here
[16:53] <Thorn_> yuck
[16:53] <LiENUS> i've had anal retentives ask me why my internet is only 15 microbits
[16:53] <noname^^> why else would you capitalize M and make b small
[16:54] <Thorn_> to show M's Masculinity
[16:54] <noname^^> mB = the author is high
[16:54] <LiENUS> looking at teachers age
[16:54] <Thorn_> and b's his bitch
[16:54] <hamitron> I think I was always told Mb=megabyte and Mbit=megabit
[16:54] <hamitron> :/
[16:54] <LiENUS> im pretty sure i've been coding longer than her
[16:54] <Aquilus_> hamitron: And that's WRONG! :p
[16:54] <LiENUS> hamitron, yeah thats wrong more or less everywhere
[16:54] <LiENUS> lazy or otherwise
[16:55] <hamitron> this was in the 80s
[16:55] <hamitron> not sure if it has changed, or just less standard, or wrong
[16:55] <LiENUS> for a while i thought Mb == megabyte mb == megabit
[16:55] <LiENUS> hamitron, the guy was prolly just hyped up on coke
[16:55] <LiENUS> it was the 80s after all
[16:55] <hamitron> she was a very nice teacher ;/
[16:56] <LiENUS> err she was
[16:56] <LiENUS> so?
[16:56] <LiENUS> its the 80s
[16:56] <noname^^> did you kill her? D;
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[16:57] <hamitron> LiENUS, get with it.... not the 80s now
[16:57] <hamitron> ;)
[16:57] <noname^^> my laptop with a bad bios battery begs to differ
[16:57] <LiENUS> yeah but im saying being high on coke didnt make you a bad person in the 80s
[16:57] <hamitron> so now my shift key will get even more hammering :/
[16:57] <LiENUS> use caps?
[16:58] <hamitron> noooooo
[16:58] <hamitron> :/
[16:58] <LiENUS> yessss
[16:59] <noname^^> this is true
[16:59] <Kolin> yeah because useing caps lock to capitalize 2 letters uses less keystrokes than shift :/
[16:59] <noname^^> it does if you type everything in caps :P
[16:59] <LiENUS> hamitron, wait you syaing your shift key will be hammered cos of my nick?
[16:59] <LiENUS> just type lie and hit tab
[17:00] <LiENUS> LiENUS,
[17:00] <LiENUS> like that
[17:00] <LiENUS> no caps
[17:00] <hamitron> I mean because of using MB, rather than Mb
[17:00] <LiENUS> ohh
[17:00] <LiENUS> yeah
[17:00] <hamitron> :)
[17:00] <LiENUS> feels batman
[17:01] <hamitron> it is always my left shift key that dies
[17:01] <LiENUS> lol on my way to class some jackass cuts me off
[17:01] <hamitron> :/
[17:01] <LiENUS> so i honk in case he didnt know i was there
[17:01] <hamitron> or ESC key, after hitting it
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[17:01] <LiENUS> next light hes getting out of his car to yell at me
[17:01] <hamitron> hehe
[17:01] <noname^^> hamitron, vim? :P
[17:01] <LiENUS> i have my 1.5 yr old daughter in the car
[17:01] <LiENUS> and left my gun at home :/
[17:01] <LiENUS> worse yet
[17:01] <LiENUS> i know him
[17:01] <LiENUS> or rather
[17:01] <LiENUS> i arrested his brother
[17:01] <hamitron> noname^^, you know? :-o
[17:01] <LiENUS> never have i wished i had my gun on me more than this morning
[17:02] <hamitron> I have spies
[17:02] <hamitron> :/
[17:02] <noname^^> xD
[17:02] <hamitron> anyways
[17:02] <noname^^> LiENUS, copypasta or actual story? D;
[17:02] <traeak> road rage is pretty scary
[17:02] <hamitron> tea and cake time
[17:03] <LiENUS> true story
[17:03] <noname^^> wow
[17:03] <LiENUS> i worked at louisiana state penn (angola)
[17:03] <traeak> last time i had some one rage and follow me I *was* packing
[17:03] <traeak> here in CO it's legal for *anyone* to keep a gun loaded in your car
[17:03] <LiENUS> traeak, i never got my permit because i was broke/lazy
[17:03] <LiENUS> its legal to keep a gun loaded in my car
[17:03] <traeak> LiENUS: i know my permit ran out
[17:03] <LiENUS> i just dont cos its inside in my safe
[17:03] <LiENUS> i need my permit
[17:03] <traeak> LiENUS: with kids that makes things very difficult
[17:03] <LiENUS> yes indeed
[17:04] <traeak> which reminds me, my son is getting pretty strong, need to step up the child security (although he's still not tall enough to get to anything)
[17:04] <traeak> and yeah, getting permit renewed would be a good thing
[17:04] <traeak> ugh
[17:05] <traeak> my wife probably tossed my certificate for taking the class...i'll hvae to go dig for that (that's the only requirement i need for renewal)
[17:05] <LiENUS> i have the cert
[17:05] <LiENUS> but i duno if its any good lemme check now
[17:05] <LiENUS> its almost a year old
[17:05] <LiENUS> i forget if its 6 months or a year
[17:05] <traeak> i've always carried a large frame automatic and no one ever knew
[17:05] <LiENUS> problem is i have an arrest that was expunged
[17:05] <LiENUS> state oplice require it to be documented
[17:05] <traeak> 10mm 15 round glock for a while, then a large frame 10mm cz
[17:05] <LiENUS> police*
[17:05] <traeak> that was 15rd as well
[17:05] <traeak> heh
[17:05] <traeak> oh lovely
[17:05] <LiENUS> yet theres a court order saying i cant document it
[17:05] <LiENUS> i have a glock 21
[17:06] <LiENUS> bought it on my badge when i worked at the prison
[17:06] <traeak> ahh
[17:06] <LiENUS> 465$ for a brand new glock 21 with 3 mags
[17:06] <LiENUS> then put a lasermax in
[17:06] <traeak> glocks scare me....the answer is to not carry them hot
[17:06] <traeak> ugh i can't even remeber the model number (hehe)
[17:06] <LiENUS> or get a good holster
[17:06] <LiENUS> i have a serpa lvl 2
[17:06] <traeak> glock 21
[17:06] <LiENUS> 10mm is a glock 20 usually
[17:06] <traeak> biggest one they make
[17:06] <LiENUS> unless its a smaller model
[17:06] <LiENUS> yeah same size as my 45
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[17:07] <LiENUS> welp im out class is out
[17:07] <traeak> show some bad reloads and blew the mag out the bottom once
[17:07] <traeak> thankfully it only sheard the catch...glocks scare me
[17:07] <traeak> stung like a mofo (heh)
[17:07] <LiENUS> you reload yourself?
[17:07] <traeak> no
[17:07] <LiENUS> i do heh
[17:08] <traeak> got these reloads from a firing range (!)
[17:08] <traeak> i have all the equipment
[17:08] <traeak> used to reload 45
[17:08] <traeak> another life 15 years ago..family and kids kill everything
[17:08] <LiENUS> i reload 45acp and 45-70
[17:08] <traeak> i got rid of my 45
[17:08] <traeak> 10mm isn't any cheaper thoough
[17:08] <traeak> just like the extra "boom" but i'm more than happy with 40S&W
[17:09] <traeak> carried the glock 20 on some backpacking trips
[17:09] <LiENUS> 10mm costs a boatload :/
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[17:10] <traeak> yes it does :(
[17:10] <traeak> but not much diff from .45
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[17:12] <traeak> that's why i have a .40 barrel for the glock 20
[17:13] <traeak> if i could find that damn thing (i loaned it to someone for the range once and now i can't find it myself :()
[17:14] <traeak> i can't hit the side of a barn with a glock or a 1911 the CZ is very natural for me aiming but i hate charging a slide
[17:14] <traeak> glock is easy to operate when in trouble
[17:14] <traeak> the cz is *HEAVY* all tennifer steel
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[17:15] <traeak> people all say "you need a great holster, blah blah blah...i never noticed that
[17:15] <traeak> okaytime to quit :-p
[17:15] <traeak> IT_Sean: people get a lot more polite when they don't know who/if might be carrying
[17:16] <Aquilus_> Is this still about a cheap ARM board? :p
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[17:16] <Hideki> ...
[17:16] <noname^^> Aquilus_, yeah, sort of wondering that too >_>;
[17:16] <traeak> hehe sry :-p
[17:16] <Aquilus_> It's alright.
[17:16] <Aquilus_> Just don't shoot me.
[17:16] <traeak> i'm sure the rpi would make good target practice
[17:18] <traeak> why ? shooting is only for people directly ivolved in criminal action ... funny in the US a police officer is not required to get involved. a crime can happen right in front of a police officer and he doesn't have to intervene ... police have done just that, it's gone to court many times and always in favor of the officer
[17:18] <traeak> so this myth about putting more police out there...considering they have no compulsion to stop a crime means it's really up to you to protect yourself no matter what
[17:18] <Aquilus_> Good thing I don't live in the US, then.
[17:19] <traeak> the law is probably the same in yoru country as well
[17:19] <traeak> and the police excel at cleaning up the mess after a crime happens, this is true everywhere
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[17:19] <traeak> no sane criminal will commit a crime with police around :-p
[17:19] <traeak> and i know a girl who shot dead some idiot who snuck into her car
[17:20] <Aquilus_> Sounds crazy.
[17:21] <Aquilus_> I'll be visiting the US in April, sounds like I better get a bulletproof vest.
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[17:21] <IT_Sean> Aquilus_: depends on which bit of the US.
[17:21] <IT_Sean> :p
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[17:22] <Aquilus_> California primarily. Stopping by Las Vegas as well.
[17:22] <IT_Sean> Just stay out of the bad bits.
[17:22] <traeak> Aquilus_: funny enough it's safer here thanmost places in the world
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[17:24] <traeak> Aquilus_: and normal citizens takign responsibility to help control bad guys helps tons...it's in those places where gun control laws are strict is where you have the really bad crime problems (new york, california, etc)
[17:24] <traeak> everywhere that allows conceal/carry sees an immediate drop in violent crimes
[17:25] <traeak> although i know people when they lived in CA would carry illegally anyways
[17:26] <Aquilus_> traeak: The US is ranked 8th by firearm homicide. I'd hardly call that safe.
[17:27] <traeak> Aquilus_: they way the numbers are recorded is also rigged. however look at total homicides, not just firearms
[17:28] <traeak> Aquilus_: and remenber, in CA, NewYork the criminals have guns, the citizens are denied access to them
[17:29] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said.
[17:29] <Aquilus_> Still fairly high.
[17:29] <IT_Sean> If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Aquilus_: you cannot read too much into those numbers.
[17:29] <Aquilus_> IT_Sean: Our cops don't even carry guns.
[17:29] <traeak> and here's the fun point
[17:30] <traeak> to throw stats around
[17:30] <Aquilus_> One also has to factor in cultural differences and such, obviously, so it's not very telling.
[17:30] <traeak> in the UK you are 2x more likely to be a victim of a knife crime than you are of a gun crime in the US
[17:30] <feep> if you outlaw guns, only guns will have outlaws.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> Drive-by-knifings are however rare.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> And personally, I'd prefer the police not in general having guns.
[17:31] <Aquilus_> traeak: Source?
[17:31] <traeak> SpeedEvil: i agree...police forces are too easily repurposed as government run paramilitary operations against the citizenry
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Accidents happen. And having been picked up for acting strangely, I'd rather not have the police armed.
[17:31] <traeak> Aquilus_: take with a grain of salt...statistics are statistics
[17:31] <traeak> Aquilus_: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> As I was not logical at that time, and may not have complied with instructions.
[17:32] <Aquilus_> I like how it works here. They have guns safely locked in their cars, but don't carry them and need permission to discharge.
[17:32] <traeak> well peopel must be responsible
[17:32] <Aquilus_> I've been on holidays in countries like Turkey, where they openly carry automatic weapons.
[17:32] <Aquilus_> That's ominous =/
[17:33] <traeak> if soeone uses a deadly weapon in committing a crime i believe in immediate capital punishment. that person has clearly demonstrated that their personal lust is more important than someone else's life
[17:33] <traeak> that would force responsible use of any deadly weapons
[17:33] <traeak> enforce i mean
[17:33] <traeak> Aquilus_: similar in afghanistan, etc
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> It's not always clear to judge what a crime is.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> If you're just seeing events unfold.
[17:34] <traeak> SpeedEvil: true, but robbing banks, stores, etc are pretty clear cut
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Or someone shooting someone else.
[17:34] <Aquilus_> I think capital punishment is an archaic and vile practice, so we each have our opinions ;)
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> (who had just robbed a bank out of view of the first person)
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> second
[17:36] <Aquilus_> Might as well go back to practicing Holmgang. :p
[17:37] <Aquilus_> For those not well-versed in ancient Nordic practice of Law: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Holmgang
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[17:40] <traeak> hmmm
[17:40] <traeak> bug hunting time!
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[17:43] <Aquilus_> Is rasperry still due for a January release?
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> Who knows.
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> I bet on 14th of March.
[17:44] <Tobias|> Late Jan-early Feb, I thought
[17:44] <DaQatz> Will be out around next December
[17:45] <DaQatz> ;)
[17:45] <IT_Sean> I was hoping for early Feb @ the latest.
[17:45] <Tobias|> you know
[17:45] <traeak> heh
[17:45] <Tobias|> It's equally as many keypresses to type 'at' as it is to type '@' <_<
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Although, if they just hold off 'till the end of Feb, i'll turn up and buy one in person :p
[17:46] <traeak> its' 2 weeks since manuf announce
[17:46] <traeak> so any days now? :-p
[17:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> Aquilus_ everytime someone asks it gets pushed back 12hrs ....
[17:46] <traeak> any day now
[17:46] <IT_Sean> hopefully
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> March the 14th at 5:9:26
[17:47] <traeak> everytime someone asks they find another bug with the rpi system (pushes it back another 2 weeks)
[17:47] <IT_Sean> I'll be in the London area late Feb. If it isn't out by then, i will go pester them.
[17:47] * IT_Sean wonders if he can bring his Poking Stick at checked baggage
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koziol-PI-P-Shoehorn-L-RASPBERRY-RED-/230552335835?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35adfd75db
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> silly ebay
[17:48] <traeak> woah why in windows7 using the file browser i make a directory, then try to make a subdir in that and it tells me i dn't have permission ?
[17:48] <traeak> wierd
[17:50] <IT_Sean> I know what the problem is!
[17:50] <IT_Sean> You are using Windows.
[17:50] <traeak> uhoh
[17:50] <traeak> no choice...pesky customers
[17:50] <IT_Sean> ick.
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[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> Raspberry_Pi Raspberry Pi
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> We hope to see the first devices back from the factory in the next couple of weeks; we'll let you know as soon as we have a shipping date.
[18:21] <Davespice> Ladies and Gentlemen, I know this might sound like spam - but I strongly feel the need to share this with you all. -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/homemadejaffacakes_91480
[18:22] <Aquilus_> Don't tempt me.
[18:22] <Aquilus_> Now I need jaffa cakes.
[18:22] <Davespice> they look amazing don't they? :)
[18:22] <slaeshjag> Davespice: Then, I feel a strong need to share this with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RolrFchV-_c
[18:23] <Davespice> slaeshjag: wow!
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[18:27] <nrltd> Raspberry Pi preorder ?
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> nrltd: no.
[18:27] <DaQatz> They do not want to do pre orders
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> because pre-orders would be to vaporwarey
[18:27] <nrltd> all right, will wait for info on raspberrypi.org
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[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> We hope to see the first devices back from the factory in the next couple of weeks; we'll let you know as soon as we have a shipping date. <- that was from teh twitter account
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[18:35] <traeak> just now?
[18:35] <DaQatz> Like 20 minutes ago
[18:35] <traeak> ahh okay
[18:36] <traeak> so we're 4 weeks from manufacturing announcement
[18:36] <rm> the Chinese *are* on their new year after all
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[18:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> traeak - no they have / are building now...
[18:38] <IT_Sean> Somebody please tell the chinese that new years was 24 days ago
[18:38] <traeak> manuf announcment 2 weeks ago from today
[18:38] <traeak> hehe
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[18:38] <traeak> IT_Sean: they use a lunar calendar for that
[18:39] <IT_Sean> bah!
[18:39] <traeak> funny it's actually "spring festival" if you can believe it
[18:39] <traeak> i don't seen spring anywhere near here (heh)
[18:39] <traeak> !w
[18:39] <traeak> snowing
[18:39] <IT_Sean> well, it is 52F outside right now
[18:39] <IT_Sean> I was just out driving with my sunroof open
[18:39] <traeak> snow falling here right how
[18:39] <traeak> now
[18:40] <IT_Sean> sunny and warm-ish
[18:40] <IT_Sean> it won't last, though.
[18:40] <traeak> IT_Sean: we installed windows7 without a license and just run it in demo mode. that'w been expired for 1 year or so. what bad side effects might we start seeing? (hehe)
[18:40] <IT_Sean> traeak: supposidly, lack of soffware updates
[18:40] <IT_Sean> and eventually it'll, supposidly, shut off your network access
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[18:41] <traeak> IT_Sean: boohoo on that, we dont' want internet access from that box since it does our builds
[18:42] <IT_Sean> in that case, keep on trukin'
[18:42] <traeak> IT_Sean: seems like any new folder i create is read only -- maybe something finally corrupted
[18:42] <IT_Sean> could be
[18:44] <traeak> IT_Sean: i'm happy MS tells me that i'm possibly the victim of piracy :-p
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Arrr!
[18:45] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:46] <Aquilus_> I like MS. They give me free software.
[18:46] * IT_Sean makes sure his special copy of the Win XP isntaller that completly bypasses the serial # check is safely locked away
[18:46] <traeak> Aquilus_: they shoudl give us free stuff as well
[18:47] <traeak> Aquilus_: we only use win7 for builds for our customers and some testing
[18:47] <Aquilus_> Eh, there has to be benefits to being a student.
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[18:50] <traeak> Aquilus_: your stuff probalby isn't free, you are paying MS through your tuition
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[18:50] <Aquilus_> I don't pay tuition.
[18:50] <hamitron> so the government do? ;)
[18:50] <IT_Sean> I think he was referring to the ease at which one can circumvent the copy protection
[18:51] <Aquilus_> hamitron: Well, yeah.
[18:51] <Aquilus_> Someone is obviously paying for it. Just not me.
[18:51] <Aquilus_> MS isn't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.
[18:51] <hamitron> too right
[18:51] <hamitron> :)
[18:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ normal pusher method
[18:52] <traeak> IT_Sean: i'm not hacking win7 atall, just doing what it allows me to ...
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[18:53] <hamitron> MS allow 30 or 60 days of se for free anyway, don't they?
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[18:53] <hamitron> most geeks should get sick of it in that time
[18:53] <hamitron> ;)
[18:53] <hamitron> use*
[18:53] <IT_Sean> That takes about 3 minutes.
[18:53] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:54] <hamitron> that is harsh
[18:54] <hamitron> 2 days ;/
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[18:54] <Aquilus_> I disagree.
[18:54] <hamitron> takes about 2 days to install everything
[18:54] <hamitron> :/
[18:54] <traeak> hamitron: technically they allow 4 recharges of 30 days each, server 2008 is 60 days each
[18:54] <Aquilus_> More like 2 hours, if you include all the basic software you need.
[18:54] <traeak> rebuild is a PITA to some degree
[18:54] <Aquilus_> Though I'm not going to make the mistake of arguing with linux fanatics :p
[18:55] <hamitron> traeak, wasn't up on the exact offering atm :)
[18:55] <traeak> turning off all the annoying crap is the biggest headache
[18:55] <hamitron> I hate linux
[18:55] <hamitron> :/
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[18:55] * hamitron hates everything equally atm
[18:55] <Aquilus_> Heh
[18:56] <IT_Sean> hamitron: you do realise this is #raspberrypi? Where we talk about the Raspberry Pi. A linux based dev board? :p
[18:56] <hamitron> indeed
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[18:56] <hamitron> I am hoping I ignite my interest again
[18:56] <hamitron> getting back to the roots of what interested me in the early 90s
[18:58] <Aquilus_> I use Debian on my server (and I'll use that on the Pi as well), but no way in hell am I adapting it as my primary OS.
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu YAY :)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: ?
[18:58] <hamitron> hang on, the Pi is linux only?
[18:58] <hamitron> :|
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: no, it can run RISCOS
[18:58] <lukec111> Debian arm seems to work fairly well on a mobile device
[18:58] <traeak> hamitron: for full features you have to run some linux flavor
[18:58] <Aquilus_> MartijnVdS: Isn't Ubuntu based on Debian anyway?
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: or anything that runs on ARM6
[18:58] <lukec111> i run it on my n900
[18:58] <traeak> hamitron: until otheros is running. the opengl es userspace stuff seems to be linux only
[18:58] <hamitron> well, I intend to play
[18:59] <lukec111> ...?
[18:59] <hamitron> I never had "3d" in the early 90s
[18:59] <hamitron> :)
[18:59] <Aquilus_> Pi with Windows 8. That would be pointless but fun.
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[18:59] <lukec111> much better to have Debian :3
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[19:00] <IT_Sean> the chances of gettign Win 8 on the Pi are about as good as getting anal probed by a 2 foot tall green alien named Jared dressed as a princess, while singing god save the queen
[19:00] <haltdef> it'll go on it
[19:00] <hamitron> I think a custom distro or OS would be cool
[19:00] <Aquilus_> IT_Sean: Don't remind me of last Friday.
[19:00] <haltdef> it'll have to be forced and it'll do bad things to your sanity, ofc :P
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[19:01] <hamitron> home baked
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Aquilus_: sorry.
[19:01] <sightlight> windows 8 on the pi can work.. there are many versions of windows 8 for tablets and such. low ram. but no source code.
[19:02] <hamitron> but.... why? ;/
[19:02] <haltdef> not electrocuted yourself yet?
[19:02] <Caver> I'm getting worried about the amount of anal probing IT_Sean keeps bringing up
[19:02] <hamitron> he he
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: ARM6 vs ARM7, so probably won't run. Also, no secure boot.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> Caver: don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:02] <haltdef> I'd forgotten about that, I suppose it will be armv7 only
[19:02] <sightlight> ubuntu can work however
[19:02] <sightlight> :)
[19:03] <hamitron> how does armv6 compare to armv5?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: once recompiled for ARM6
[19:03] <haltdef> which ubuntu won't do officially
[19:03] <sightlight> rasp is arm11
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: ARMv11 = ARM6
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: confusing, I know
[19:03] <sightlight> oh
[19:03] <sightlight> i see
[19:03] <sightlight> aha
[19:03] <sightlight> and arm7 stands for?
[19:03] <hamitron> arm7
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores has a nice table
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: ARMv7 = Cortex. ARM7 = ARMv3 :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:04] <haltdef> arm11 cpus implement the armv6 instruction set, I believe
[19:04] <Aquilus_> I didn't ask. But thanks, I guess?
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[19:04] <haltdef> cortex a8 cpus implement the armv7 instruction set
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: a is next to s, I thought I did s<tab> :)
[19:04] <Aquilus_> Heh
[19:04] <sightlight> armv8 for next generation pi
[19:05] <Caver> *sniggers*
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> 64-bit ARM, can't wait for RPi 4 :)
[19:05] <haltdef> I can't see a next gen pi happening tbh
[19:05] <haltdef> unless either the ram or SoC are discontinued
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> haltdef: maybe a few years down the line
[19:05] <hamitron> better to not change too often
[19:05] <sightlight> wht not next generation pi?
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> or someone else will make something Pi-ish
[19:06] <haltdef> the current gen will accomplish the foundation's goal for many years to come
[19:06] <sightlight> they might release model 2
[19:06] <sightlight> wow
[19:06] <sightlight> model c*
[19:06] <Aquilus_> Well, at one point it'll be cheaper to get a newer generation core.
[19:06] <haltdef> easy to forget we are not the primary target audience
[19:06] <Aquilus_> As the old ones get phased out of production.
[19:06] <haltdef> yeah, that's what I'm getting at
[19:06] <hamitron> the question really, is if parts for the existing design are available at decent price
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: s/for/compatible with/
[19:07] <hamitron> as Aquilus_ said
[19:07] <hamitron> yeh
[19:08] <hamitron> don't really want loads of different versions though
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> make it harder to make generic software working on all
[19:08] <hamitron> nightmare to support, if someone has a bug that is for 1 type
[19:08] <hamitron> that too
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[19:09] <Caver> I wonder how long Broadcom will make the SOC
[19:09] <sightlight> updating the kernel even more, is that posible?
[19:09] <hamitron> Caver, depends on demands I'd guess
[19:10] <hamitron> imo, be good to get the pi sold in larger quantities, without 1 device per user limits
[19:10] <Caver> sightlight: yes you can update kernels as much as you like - thats the joys of open source
[19:10] <Aquilus_> I just need one, hoping that I'll be able to grab one from the first batch.
[19:10] <Caver> (ok ok I know the binary loader issue)
[19:10] <hamitron> I think I could use 15
[19:10] <Caver> hehe yes me too
[19:10] <IT_Sean> Aquilus_: so is everyone else
[19:11] <Caver> sniggers
[19:11] <sightlight> 1 pi per home said liz
[19:11] <Caver> the fact that xbmc seems to do so well on it, in a way isn't helping ...
[19:11] <Caver> sightlight: yup for the 1st batch of them
[19:11] <hamitron> not in a rush for 1st batch myself
[19:11] <sightlight> how much for the first batch
[19:12] <Caver> *hopefully* they'll be able to order more than 10,000 for the 2nd batch
[19:12] <hamitron> I'll let all you impatient peeps in the queue first
[19:12] <hamitron> ;/
[19:12] <IT_Sean> hamitron: thanks! :) That's big of you.
[19:12] <Aquilus_> Yeah
[19:12] <hamitron> purely selfish reasons
[19:12] <hamitron> ;)
[19:12] <Aquilus_> I need to retire my old "mess about with linux server" (that this IRC shell is running off).
[19:12] <IT_Sean> ahh
[19:12] <Aquilus_> It's an ancient laptop which is noisy as hell.
[19:13] <hamitron> well, I have plenty of spare i586 comps here
[19:13] <Aquilus_> Hehe
[19:13] <hamitron> don't need a pi really
[19:13] <hamitron> but it would save space
[19:13] <hamitron> and be cool having an ARM cpu machine
[19:13] <hamitron> :)
[19:13] <sightlight> I want to try a Pi
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[19:14] <hamitron> bbl, food
[19:14] <sightlight> atom = arm
[19:15] <Caver> ?
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[19:15] <Caver> atom is intel isn't it?
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[19:15] <Aquilus_> It is.
[19:15] <sightlight> ye
[19:15] <sightlight> what te diference?
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[19:15] <sightlight> i know they diferent
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: they're completely different :)
[19:16] <sightlight> I see.
[19:16] <sightlight> performance?
[19:16] <Aquilus_> Architecture, performance, power consumption.
[19:16] <Aquilus_> Pretty much everything.
[19:16] <sightlight> 800mhhz intel vs 800mhz arm
[19:16] <sightlight> ??
[19:16] <answerbot> raspberry pi = A $25 computer developed by the Raspberry Pi foundation to teach programming to kids.
[19:17] <Caver> ARM was designed to be simple, Atom is a type of the Intel Pentium range .... so very complicated, more expensive and more powerful
[19:17] <slaeshjag> sightlight: The intel one will probably have better floating point performance
[19:17] <Aquilus_> Also with a higher energy consumption.
[19:17] <Caver> also true
[19:17] <Aquilus_> Which is why ARM is dominant in the phone market.
[19:17] <slaeshjag> sightlight: And possible better overall performance due to larger cache, better branch prediction etc.
[19:17] <Caver> you won't be able to run a Atom based thing off a couple AA batteries
[19:17] <slaeshjag> Not to mention better memory bandwidth
[19:18] <sightlight> how does the arm work with overclocking?
[19:18] <Thorn_> it'll cost you a leg
[19:18] <sightlight> why?
[19:18] <Thorn_> nevermind
[19:19] <slaeshjag> sightlight: LEt's just say that the ARM11-based CPU used with the raspberry pi will not reach Intel Atom performance
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[19:19] <sightlight> lets put some water blick and over clock
[19:19] <sightlight> :)
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[19:19] <slaeshjag> sightlight: Not even with overclocking
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[19:20] <slaeshjag> A Cortex-A9 or A-15, maybe
[19:20] <slaeshjag> But not with a ARM11
[19:21] <Amnesia> hm x86 is a mess imo
[19:21] <slaeshjag> And don't forget, windows and pretty much all windows programs will not work on a ARM-CPU
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[19:21] <slaeshjag> Amnesia: It is, but the Atom etc. has a lot of extra stuff that's not only bloat
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[19:22] <Amnesia> true that
[19:22] <slaeshjag> Even though ARM is a more "pure" architecture
[19:22] <Amnesia> but little endianness, io ports + mapped memory etc <-crap
[19:22] <DaQatz> Pi runs little endian by default
[19:23] <feep> the arm has sse
[19:23] <feep> I don't know if atom does, sec
[19:23] <sightlight> cant understand why no overclock but ok
[19:23] <feep> well, not see but a similar thing
[19:23] <feep> higher width too
[19:23] <Amnesia> is arm also litle endian?
[19:23] <feep> sightlight: it does overclock itself
[19:23] <feep> automatically
[19:23] <feep> well, more like underclock
[19:23] <slaeshjag> feep: Not SSE, but some cores have SIMD-instructions. Very rare with ARM11 based ones though
[19:23] <DaQatz> Amnesia, it's "bia-endian"
[19:23] <feep> okay yes, atom has sse and sse2
[19:23] <feep> slaeshjag: oe :(
[19:23] <feep> slaeshjag: I thought the razpi had that..
[19:23] <DaQatz> Bi*
[19:23] <feep> what was the exact processor again?
[19:24] <slaeshjag> feep: Look up the SoC, look for NEON
[19:24] <Caver> sightlight: I'd have thought overclocking might upset the timings etc for the HDMI
[19:24] <DaQatz> It can run little or big endian
[19:24] <feep> slaeshjag: I mean the rpi
[19:24] <Amnesia> DaQatz: neat
[19:24] <feep> bcm2835 ..
[19:25] <feep> ARM1176JZ-f
[19:25] <feep> reading
[19:25] <slaeshjag> There"s no ARM NEON, but it does have ARM VFP. (Had to ask about that too!)
[19:25] <slaeshjag> Says liz
[19:26] <feep> vfp ..
[19:26] <feep> okay
[19:26] <feep> good! :D
[19:26] <feep> I meant that
[19:26] <slaeshjag> the VFP is fine I guess, but gcc is quite horrible at optimizing for it
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> NEON is like SSE2
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> ish
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> a little
[19:26] <slaeshjag> you you'll need some inline assembly to really use it
[19:26] <feep> slaeshjag: well yeah but I won't use gcc :D
[19:26] <sightlight> so the team can keep uptimizing the kernel for speed or no
[19:26] <DaQatz> If you're going to use asm in a c or C++ project don't inline. Write it as a function and link it in after the fact.
[19:27] <feep> the fun thing about having your own compiler is that you can tweak to your heart's content
[19:27] <DaQatz> inline is so messy
[19:27] <feep> for instance, neat uses sse by default under x86
[19:27] <feep> I expect it shouldn't be hard to port
[19:27] <feep> (though I don't even have float support yet .. XD)
[19:28] <DaQatz> !w
[19:28] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Tue Jan 24 22:51:00 2012. Temp 51??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 61%, Later 50??F - 23??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:28] <sightlight> warsow on the raspberrypi 1080p?
[19:29] <slaeshjag> sightlight: Doesn't seem to be open source, so it's unlikey to run at all
[19:29] <sightlight> it is open
[19:30] <slaeshjag> Oh, I didn't find a source download link
[19:30] <sightlight> well
[19:30] <slaeshjag> It does look a little too fancy, so I wouldn't hold my breath
[19:30] <sightlight> I think it might not be the source exacly
[19:30] <sightlight> in the download secion at the botom
[19:31] <sightlight> Warsow SDK
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[19:31] <sightlight> and tool
[19:31] <sightlight> s
[19:31] <sightlight> if that doesnt work Xonotic is awesome too
[19:31] <sightlight> same engine I think
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[19:31] <slaeshjag> sightlight: If it's written in C/C++, source code is need it to compile it for ARM. If it's written in a interpreted language, it's probably way too slow to be playable at any resolution
[19:32] <sightlight> how do I find that?
[19:32] <sightlight> Xonotic is a free, open source (GPL) ultra-fast, first-person shooter
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[19:33] <Caver> well I guess if they managed to make Quake 3 to run at least semi fast, other things ought to be possible too
[19:34] <sightlight> The game is based off the Darkplaces game engine which is originally a quake modification.
[19:34] <Caver> nods ... thats a good sign then
[19:34] <sightlight> cant run this game on my netbook
[19:35] <sightlight> well
[19:35] <sightlight> cant run quake 3 nicely in this latop
[19:35] <sightlight> and in the pi get 200fps
[19:35] <sightlight> ....
[19:35] <feep> intel graphics
[19:35] <slaeshjag> Well, that's the first thing I do when I test the feasability for something to run on the OpenPandora, I test it on my EEEpc 901. If it doesn't run good, I don't even bother.
[19:35] <feep> you get what you pay for
[19:36] <sightlight> 300 < 35.........
[19:37] <victhor> wtf pi runs q3 at 30 fps or less
[19:37] <sightlight> no
[19:37] <sightlight> have you seen the video?
[19:38] <sightlight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mDuJuvZjI
[19:38] <victhor> yep. Less than 30.
[19:39] <victhor> the frame rate counter stays mostly below 20 fps
[19:39] <victhor> if you think that's 300 fps... You have terrible eyesight.
[19:40] <sightlight> oh wow
[19:40] <sightlight> NOOOOWWW i knowtince....
[19:40] <sightlight> dang
[19:40] <sightlight> lol!!
[19:41] <victhor> also, using capacitors to regulate voltage will most likely result in a spectacular pyrotechnic show. Just sayin'
[19:41] <IT_Sean> True.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> But it would look awesome!
[19:42] <IT_Sean> :D
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[19:50] <tntexplosivesltd> wtf...
[19:50] <tntexplosivesltd> 07:35 < sightlight> and in the pi get 200fps
[19:50] <tntexplosivesltd> no, no it doesn't
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[19:52] <LiENUS> any new updates on the pi?
[19:52] <Caver> always worth subscribing to the twitter feed if you want to know whats going on
[19:53] <LiENUS> o twitter feed?
[19:53] <LiENUS> where?
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> there have been a few more people taking "preorders"
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[19:53] <victhor> tntexplosivesltd, yes! They released a new Pi Model C with a Core I7 and a GeForce GTX 580 with 8 GB RAM
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> and people buying them
[19:53] <Caver> sniggers
[19:53] <LiENUS> whats the raspi twitter feed?
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> victhor: why are people sooooo misinformed
[19:54] <victhor> I'm misinformed about this subject
[19:54] <victhor> :P
[19:55] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUS: follow https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi
[19:55] <LiENUS> ty
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[19:55] <Caver> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
[19:55] <Caver> aha ... you beat me to it
[19:55] <tntexplosivesltd> ninja'd
[19:56] <Aquilus_> Raspberry Pi v2 will have an Ivy Bridge Cpu
[19:56] <Aquilus_> Or so I've heard.
[19:56] <Caver> I love how many people want to have all sorts of PCI devices .... errr there isn't a PCI bus ...
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: yes and you get a free airplane if you order now
[19:56] <haltdef> <Raspberry_Pi> [18:27:09] RT @Cooking_Hacks: @Raspberry_Pi We have rectified in our site and we're not going to make preorders of your product.Sorry for the inconvenience to all people. <- seems more like ignorance rather than a scam
[19:56] <Caver> yeah right
[19:56] <victhor> I swear I saw a USB adapter with a PCI slot :P
[19:56] <victhor> the guys that make it also make a ISA slot adapter
[19:57] <Caver> I suppose you *could* have a PCI master via USB .. it'd be horrifically slow though
[19:57] <victhor> http://www.arstech.com/item--ssi2_pci.html
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[19:59] <Caver> whats that meant to link too?
[20:00] <victhor> it opens here
[20:01] <victhor> it's a USB adapter that provides a PCI slot
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[20:01] <LiENUS> i need a bnc again :/
[20:02] <haltdef> I'll be running one on a raspi
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> victhor: Seems debatably functional for some cards.
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[20:02] <SpeedEvil> I suppose it could be useful.
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> If the latency doesn't screw you
[20:02] <IT_Sean> that would be sloooooooooooooooooooooooow
[20:03] <IT_Sean> but, potentially usefull for any card that isn't high speed dependant
[20:03] <victhor> the ISA version doesn't seem insane
[20:03] <Caver> sniggers a bad idea on soo many levels but I guess if your disperate
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> Depending on 'stuff' - there could be hax.
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> victhor: Vesa Local BUs
[20:03] <Caver> cue lots of posts asking why their 1Gb network card is slow ...#
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> For example, you could have a leetle processor x86 with PCI on it
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[20:04] <victhor> the ISA card is $149... :P
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[20:05] <IT_Sean> that's a bit steep, innit?
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[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Not if you have an ISA card hooked to a $30K machine.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> It's damn cheap.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Then of course there is the fun issue of if the software can talk to the card.
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[20:12] <_inc> oh lord: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi/#p33669
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[20:13] <MartijnVdS> netberry pi?
[20:15] <_inc> im just amazed that someone saw those 'schematics' and though 'yea, I would like to buy this from him'
[20:15] <IT_Sean> hewh
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> _inc: you haven't been on the internet for very long have you
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[20:17] <_inc> MartijnVdS: I usually selectively ignore such things, but sightlight is a special case
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[20:17] <haltdef> special indeed
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi/#p33775 - I have about 10 of these laptops I haven't gotten rid of yet.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Nice ones, with trackpoint in keyboard.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Would make excellent platforms.
[20:18] <Amnesia> hm I hope the hardware itself will be well documented
[20:19] <Amnesia> since my knowledge of electronics is crap
[20:19] <_inc> SpeedEvil: what model laptop were you refering to?
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/laptops/1270/toshiba-portege-3110ct
[20:20] <_inc> would need to fab a custom bezel for an iPad display though?
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> To a very limited degree
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> It's almost exactly the same size
[20:21] <_inc> oh right sweet
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> I also happen to have a brother with a new laser cutter.
[20:24] <traeak> my brother is bigger than your brother though
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Not once the laser cutter is finished.
[20:28] <Shift_> 'morning
[20:29] <LiENUS> laser?
[20:29] <LiENUS> "laser"
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> laz0r
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation
[20:31] <IT_Sean> Can i have frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads!?
[20:33] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[20:33] <tntexplosivesltd> costs too mych
[20:33] <tntexplosivesltd> * much
[20:33] <IT_Sean> :(
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[20:34] <tntexplosivesltd> so then I mane the r-pi control a laser to draw stuff XD
[20:34] <tntexplosivesltd> * made
[20:34] <MystX> Sup
[20:34] <tntexplosivesltd> like a shark with a laser on its head
[20:35] <LiENUS> "laser"
[20:35] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: someone saw sightlight's schematocs and asked if he will mass-produce the netbook thingy
[20:35] <tntexplosivesltd> * schematics
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TANGENT-GALVONOMETER-VICTORIAN-PHYSICS-GRIFFIN-LONDON-SERIAL-NO-33744-/280812002122?pt=UK_Antiques_Science_RL&hash=item4161b31b4a
[20:35] <MystX> ???_???
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> See
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> oops
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> no
[20:35] <LiENUS> i heard the model D will have a built in "laser"
[20:36] <MystX> LiENUS: Thats how real people spell it
[20:36] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi#p33669
[20:36] <IT_Sean> yeah, but it''ll cost ??23000
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20Kpps-HightSpeed-Galvo-System-laser-galvo-scanner-NEW-/220880557463?pt=UK_ConElec_LightingLEDsStrobes_RL&hash=item336d81d597
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> That
[20:36] <Shift_> why do you keep putting laser in quotation marks?
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> For lasers
[20:36] <tntexplosivesltd> Shift_: =|
[20:36] <LiENUS> Shift_, because i will put a "laser" on the moon
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> It should really be LASERs
[20:36] <LiENUS> and hold the world hostage
[20:36] <Shift_> oh... DUH
[20:36] <Shift_> stupid me, lol
[20:36] <LiENUS> for *insert pinky finger in mouth* one million dollars
[20:37] <IT_Sean> ...
[20:37] <IT_Sean> ooohkay dr evil.
[20:37] <IT_Sean> whatever you say
[20:37] <Shift_> yeah, that went completly over my head for some reason
[20:37] <IT_Sean> Shift_: reference to a bad movie
[20:37] <MystX> OH
[20:37] <MystX> "Laser"
[20:38] <MystX> >_>
[20:38] * IT_Sean steals all of MystX's "s
[20:38] <Shift_> I know, I got it straight after he mentioned the moon.
[20:38] <MystX> You have to pause before you say it too
[20:40] <MystX> Oh so guys i pre ordered a R-Pi from this site totallylegit.com
[20:40] <Shift_> so... anyone got the kernel working with qemu? has anyone even tried?
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[20:41] <MystX> link: http://totallylegit.com/this-is-not-a-scam
[20:41] <Stskeeps> Shift_: that usually requires a full pi emulation
[20:41] <Shift_> looks legit
[20:42] <Shift_> Stskeeps, not really, just enable the versatile platform modules.
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> MystX: I love how that links to godaddy
[20:42] <Stskeeps> Shift_: ok, if you enable the right board modules it might work
[20:42] <MystX> MartijnVdS: Was just laughing at that
[20:42] <Shift_> I did... it doesn't.
[20:42] <Stskeeps> then broadcom hacked ;)
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[20:49] <sightlight> hi hi
[20:49] <MystX> SUp
[20:49] <Shift_> sightlight, welcome back
[20:50] <sightlight> i thought that quake demo was running above 100fps
[20:50] <sightlight> :(
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ~20
[20:50] <sightlight> below 30fps.
[20:50] <sightlight> yea
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> 15-20
[20:50] <Shift_> no, it's for education, not gaming
[20:51] <sightlight> defenetly not for gaming
[20:51] <MystX> I was gonna try install BF3 on one..
[20:51] <sightlight> i though it was running high fps
[20:51] <Shift_> it was
[20:51] <Shift_> for what it is, that's very high fps
[20:51] <haltdef> is your netbook pi project cancelled now?
[20:51] <Shift_> haltdef, no! >=/
[20:52] <sightlight> I dont know. I want to try the Pi.
[20:52] <haltdef> ofc
[20:52] <MystX> Is what he said
[20:52] <sightlight> the gpu is not the problem
[20:52] <sightlight> the cpu is..
[20:52] <haltdef> it's just stupid to kill a far superior netbook for it
[20:52] <MystX> I thought it was funny =(
[20:52] <sightlight> still am going to do it
[20:52] <Aquilus_> MystX: It wasn't.
[20:52] <Shift_> sightlight, neither are a problem.
[20:53] <sightlight> just want to see the Pi by my self
[20:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[20:53] <MystX> Im sorry, ill try harder
[20:54] <sightlight> this pi is for programin
[20:54] <MystX> Oh shit
[20:54] <sightlight> and i dont knoww how to program very well
[20:54] <Shift_> sightlight, that's the point
[20:54] <Shift_> it's for learning
[20:54] <sightlight> or at all
[20:54] <tntexplosivesltd> *sigh*
[20:54] <MystX> I need to go buy a 3.5" HDD enclosure for R-Pi hax
[20:54] <Shift_> yeah..... that's why they made it
[20:54] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not a toy, sightlight
[20:54] <Aquilus_> MystX: Isn't that too big?
[20:54] <Aquilus_> (Which, incidentally *is* what she said)
[20:54] <Shift_> tntexplosivesltd, it is for us nerds. =)
[20:54] <hamitron> it isn't a toy? :-o
[20:54] <sightlight> I would need a frendly programing language
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> it's for exactly your situation
[20:55] <Aquilus_> sightlight: FORTRAN
[20:55] <MystX> Aquilus_: It will hopefully house a 2.5" drive, R-Pi and.. some other stuff. Dunno yet
[20:55] <hamitron> pascal
[20:55] <MystX> Python
[20:55] <MystX> I win
[20:55] <Aquilus_> MystX: Don't be silly.
[20:55] <Shift_> hamitron, that's actually a good answer.
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[20:56] <Aquilus_> Seriously though, go for Assembly.
[20:56] <Aquilus_> Start low level, then work up to high level.
[20:56] <Aquilus_> That makes sense. It's how RPGs work.
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> ;p;
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> * lol
[20:56] <tntexplosivesltd> flawless plan
[20:56] <sightlight> low level language?
[20:56] <hamitron> imo, best to learn basic electronics and computer science first..... then go pascal->C->assembly and it all meets
[20:56] <sightlight> what is C?
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> mid-level
[20:57] <Aquilus_> ^
[20:57] <ReggieUK> bettr than D
[20:57] <sightlight> low level easy?
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[20:57] * haltdef is trying python
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing is easy
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> the harder it is, the faster you learn
[20:57] <tntexplosivesltd> that's why I started on Arch
[20:57] <Aquilus_> Assembly is pretty easy.
[20:57] <MystX> haltdef: Good man
[20:57] <hamitron> easy comes with been familiar with it and forward planning
[20:57] <Aquilus_> I mean, it has a very restricted syntax, so it's easy to learn everything :p
[20:58] <Aquilus_> Sort of
[20:58] <haltdef> this book has lost me *entirely*
[20:58] <haltdef> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ex28.html
[20:58] <ReggieUK> planning is for people that care about the consequences
[20:58] <hamitron> Aquilus_, I guess you are right.... assembly IS easy, hehe
[20:58] <ReggieUK> not sure SL fits that category
[20:58] <IT_Sean> haltdef: you need LearningPythonTheEASYWay
[20:58] <hamitron> just not easy to do much useful
[20:58] <hamitron> ;)
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[20:58] <Aquilus_> hamitron: Well, yeah.
[20:58] <Aquilus_> But nobody said anything about that!
[20:58] <MystX> Soo.. Where are the overall dimensions of a model B?
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> post aaaaages ago
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[20:59] <hamitron> bigger than model A
[20:59] <IT_Sean> MystX: it's about this big [gestures with hands]
[20:59] <MystX> Good.
[20:59] <IT_Sean> (which, incidentally, is really what she said)
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oicyr/i_have_a_raspberry_pi_beta_board_ama/ has dimensions
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[21:01] <MartijnVdS> MystX: http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2012/01/15/raspberry-pi-measurements-dimensions/
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: well played
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[21:02] <MystX> That page doesnt have the overall height.. wtf
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> nothing seems to =(
[21:02] <ReggieUK> oh noes
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> MystX: it lists the heights of the parts though. Calculation isn't your strong suit? ;)
[21:02] <MystX> THe usb ports are 15mm high. So is that including the board?
[21:02] <hamitron> remember you need air flow?
[21:03] <ReggieUK> height of a double usb socket + a 6 layer board?
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> 4.5mm + 15mm + board thickness
[21:03] <MystX> hmm
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> go for 25mm minimum if you want some room in the box
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> and yes, airflow
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> I found a site with boxes.. 1 moment
[21:04] <hamitron> think I'll just mount mine on chipboard or plywood
[21:04] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: we should CNC a case
[21:04] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: Yes i said that months ago
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[21:04] <MystX> And you said it would be a waste of Al
[21:04] <hamitron> someone should upload a case that can be printed, off thepiratebay
[21:05] <hamitron> :)
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[21:05] <_inc> i want to do this: http://lemonodor.com/images/arduino-encased-in-resin-block-s.jpg
[21:05] <_inc> but im not sure how that would be with GPU heat
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.hammondmfg.com/
[21:05] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: O mean use plastic, but whatever
[21:05] <hamitron> haha _inc
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm to be precise
[21:05] <tntexplosivesltd> * I meant
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[21:07] <Aquilus_> Yeah, paper is the superior case material.
[21:07] <Aquilus_> Clearly.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> _inc: GPU heat -> die-cast aluminum case -> problem solved ;)
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[21:07] <_inc> scrunch around a wad of A4?
[21:08] * MartijnVdS cries a little
[21:08] <_inc> whats "aluminum"? :P
[21:08] <MystX> So inside a 3.5" enclosure i can guarantee 25mm height =\
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> aluminium, it's typotastic!
[21:08] <hamitron> what size was it again?
[21:08] <MystX> But i need a drive to go next to that
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> _inc: ???_???
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> MystX: CF card? :)
[21:09] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[21:09] <MystX> Noooope
[21:09] <tntexplosivesltd> MartijnVdS: why do americans spell and say it wrong?
[21:09] <feep> what the hell is an aluminum falcon?!
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> tntexplosivesltd: because they're 'murkin
[21:09] <MystX> Because their country is silly
[21:09] <tntexplosivesltd> mecause they are morons
[21:10] <tntexplosivesltd> * because
[21:10] <feep> because they are tomatoes.
[21:10] <tntexplosivesltd> fail statement
[21:10] <Shift_> meh... why do Americans do anything...
[21:10] <feep> what tntexplosivesltd is trying to say is that he is the reason americans are morons
[21:10] <IT_Sean>
[21:10] <Aquilus_> tntexplosivesltd: mormons*
[21:10] <feep> the correct form of course would be "I am the cause of them being morons"
[21:11] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: I am not american
[21:11] <feep> tntexplosivesltd: well, obviously
[21:11] <tntexplosivesltd> fuck that
[21:11] <feep> nobody'd moronize oneself.
[21:11] <jardiamj> hahahahaha
[21:11] <Shift_> Careful, IT_Sean is sensitive.
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[21:11] <Shift_> now look what you did!
[21:11] <jardiamj> I like the subject on this channel..
[21:11] <tntexplosivesltd> good
[21:12] <feep> also I have acquired soup.
[21:12] <tntexplosivesltd> he is deserving of public humiliation
[21:12] <tntexplosivesltd> for living where he does
[21:12] <hamitron> hmmm, I want water cooling on my pi now
[21:13] <tntexplosivesltd> and liquid nitrogen
[21:13] <tntexplosivesltd> at the same time
[21:13] <Aquilus_> Cooling is for little girls.
[21:14] <MystX> Those printed rulers are in cm, right?>
[21:14] <sightlight> overclock the pi.
[21:14] <MystX> DOnt tell me what to do
[21:14] <_inc> overclock it with capacitors
[21:14] <hamitron> http://www.rapidonline.com/Tools-Equipment/100-X-75-X-40-Black-ABS-Box-30-0505
[21:15] <Shift_> _inc, rofl
[21:15] <hamitron> _inc, stop giving trade secrets away :/
[21:15] <Shift_> sightlight, why don't you overclock it?
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: like I said, http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> oh my god...
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> are you kidding me
[21:16] <hamitron> MartijnVdS, I saw no prices :/
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: they have a PDF of prices
[21:16] <hamitron> MartijnVdS, and a good excuse to buy a load of electronic bits too
[21:16] <hamitron> ;)
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: look up the part number first, then look in the PDF for a price, then contact them to buy a truckload :)
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: OK, THAT's a good excuse ;)
[21:17] <hamitron> ?1.63 for 1 is fine
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> that's nothing
[21:17] <hamitron> hehe
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to make some holes though
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> for the SD/USB bits
[21:17] <hamitron> aye
[21:18] <hamitron> there is a box almost exact size
[21:19] <hamitron> that would require removing the sd card though
[21:19] <sightlight> is arm CORTEX A9 GOOD?
[21:19] <sightlight> sorry caps off
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> sightlight: on it's own? or generally?
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> its*
[21:19] <hamitron> no
[21:19] <ReggieUK> it's better than a chip buttie
[21:19] <hamitron> ARM sucks tbh
[21:19] <hamitron> ReggieUK, !!!!
[21:19] <MystX> I could ALMOST firt the long dim. of the R-Pi in the short dim. of a 3.5" HDD
[21:19] <ReggieUK> but not as good as marmite
[21:19] <hamitron> chip butties rock :/
[21:19] <MystX> Might have to remove the USB ports though
[21:19] <tntexplosivesltd> hamitron: =D
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Just custom-saw some transparent plastic
[21:20] <ReggieUK> how many megahertz is a chip buttie?
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> and glue together
[21:20] <hamitron> ReggieUK, depends how many chips
[21:20] <hamitron> ;)
[21:20] <MystX> That leaves me with a 80mm by 100mm space to fit a HDD
[21:20] <MystX> Or 2
[21:21] <slaeshjag> plenty of space!
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[21:22] <MystX> Not really =\
[21:22] <hamitron> need it to be tight, or it isn't good :/
[21:22] <hamitron> to the limit kinda thing
[21:22] <MystX> A 2.5" drive is exactly 100mm
[21:22] <_inc> MystX: do you own a belt sander?
[21:22] <MystX> And I need to fit the connectors in the end of it
[21:22] <MystX> _inc: yes..
[21:23] <_inc> take it down a few mm :)
[21:23] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[21:23] <MystX> ???_???
[21:23] <hamitron> hmmm, wonder how much you could take off
[21:23] <hamitron> safely
[21:23] <hamitron> ;/
[21:23] <slaeshjag> MystX: Thengo dowhn a size?
[21:23] <MystX> slaeshjag: Dont really want to
[21:24] <hamitron> I may make my case from pastry
[21:24] <hamitron> well, custom sort
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> hmmm pastry
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: so it'll be a real raspberry pie
[21:26] <hamitron> yeh
[21:26] <hamitron> :)
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> you could hollow out a brick or something
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> that should conduct heat away pretty well
[21:27] <MystX> The average enclosure has a small gap between the inside and the plastic on the outside
[21:27] <MystX> ill just cut a hole in the sheilding to loop the sata and power cables through
[21:27] <MystX> And try to make them as right-angled as possible
[21:28] <MystX> Hell i could just solder the power cable onto the bottom of the drive
[21:28] <sightlight> the linux that the raspberrypi is making is completly arm based
[21:28] <MystX> Problem solved
[21:28] <sightlight> could I hook it up to a JXD 601
[21:28] <_inc> sightlight: I didnt know that
[21:28] <sightlight> ARM cortex
[21:29] <sightlight> a9
[21:29] <sightlight> MALI graphics
[21:29] <sightlight> 80$
[21:29] <haltdef> what crazyness are you cooking up now
[21:29] <tntexplosivesltd> sightlight: where are you getting this info?
[21:29] <MystX> SO. A R-Pi and a 2.5" HDD will fit side by side in almost exactly the same dimensions as a 3.5" drive
[21:29] <sightlight> www.jxd.cc
[21:29] <MystX> =D
[21:29] * MystX is making a 3.5" enclosure PC
[21:30] <Aquilus_> Hehe, that's a pretty neat idea.
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[21:30] <Aquilus_> I prefer the idea of just using NAS though.
[21:30] <sightlight> buy that and them boot a rasp image
[21:30] <MystX> but thats boring
[21:30] <sightlight> what?
[21:31] <_inc> sightlight: how's your project looking?
[21:31] <sightlight> good
[21:31] <sightlight> im not stoping it
[21:31] <ReggieUK> like roadkill?
[21:31] <hamitron> sightlight, you better be documenting this, so I can get tips
[21:31] <tntexplosivesltd> doesn't look good from here XD
[21:32] <MystX> So the first thing i read on jxd.cc is "Touch EVERYTHING!"
[21:32] <MystX> ???_???
[21:32] <_inc> sightlight: hows the powerboard coming along, any progress?
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> I can't read it
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> I am not chinese
[21:32] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: english version
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[21:32] <sightlight> i changed the disgn
[21:32] <Shift_> moar capacitors?
[21:32] <sightlight> I guess its better than before.
[21:32] <haltdef> more resistors?
[21:32] <sightlight> still need more progress
[21:33] <sightlight> thanks for asking
[21:33] <tntexplosivesltd> more foundation knowledge perhaps?
[21:34] <MystX> More blue smoke
[21:34] <_inc> sightlight: I was just concerned you might have hurt yourself. Haven't seen you here for a while
[21:34] <Aquilus_> Haha
[21:34] <_inc> like maybe stapling things to a li-ion cell or something
[21:34] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:34] <Shift_> lol
[21:34] <Aquilus_> That would've been a shock to all of us.
[21:34] <hamitron> the pi is to learn and all that.... can't learn if you are out of action :/
[21:34] <tntexplosivesltd> some on, that's a bit harsh
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[21:36] <MystX> Stapling things to a poly battery would be betetr
[21:36] <MystX> better*
[21:36] <hamitron> maplin have some 1.5W trickle charger solar panels half price
[21:36] <ReggieUK> LINK
[21:36] <hamitron> ?9.99
[21:37] <ReggieUK> LINK
[21:37] <MystX> 0.o
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: square-meter things or what
[21:37] <ctyler> It ain't real without a LINK
[21:37] <hamitron> they are a reasonable size
[21:37] <MystX> LINK
[21:37] <_inc> LINK
[21:37] <hamitron> god damn it
[21:37] <hamitron> I got about 70 tabs open
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> http://www.maplin.co.uk/solar-powered-12v-1.5w-battery-trickle-charger-98358
[21:37] <_inc> THANKKS
[21:37] <MystX> LINK
[21:37] <MystX> owait
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> just search for "1.5w" and "panel" next time
[21:37] <ReggieUK> oh ffs
[21:38] <ReggieUK> ends today
[21:38] <hamitron> http://www.maplin.co.uk/solar-powered-12v-1.5w-battery-trickle-charger-98358
[21:38] <ReggieUK> and I was near a maplins today
[21:38] <hamitron> bah
[21:38] <hamitron> :/
[21:38] <_inc> ReggieUK: RESERVE, THEY MAY HOLD IT
[21:38] <_inc> caps
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> No delivery to Europe? What kind of 18th century business is this?
[21:39] <hamitron> just thought I should point it out, someone may like them for the pi
[21:39] <hamitron> ;)
[21:39] <ReggieUK> doubtful and no chance I could pick it up before next wednesday anyway
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[21:39] <ReggieUK> bugger the pi, they'll be great for astronomy :D
[21:39] <Aquilus_> MartijnVdS: Isn't the UK in Europe?
[21:39] <hamitron> hehe
[21:39] <Aquilus_> Pretty sure it was, last time I checked :p
[21:39] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: That panel would be awesome for uniLink (TM)
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: OK, they don't deliver to the rest of it then
[21:39] <Aquilus_> Bastards.
[21:39] <hamitron> they may have it on ebay
[21:40] <MystX> Ok im going to do work now
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: island mentality ;)
[21:40] * hamitron wouldn't give you cheap solar panels either
[21:40] <hamitron> ;)
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[21:40] <hamitron> aw man, unhappy faces make me feel guilty :/
[21:41] <hamitron> tbh, sure there are cheaper solar panels anyway
[21:41] <ReggieUK> where?
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> I haven't looked yet
[21:41] <hamitron> I dunno
[21:41] <Aquilus_> Why would you want solar power anyway?
[21:42] <hamitron> but maplin is often a little over priced
[21:42] <Aquilus_> Haven't you got electricity where you live? :p
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: Electriciwhatnow?
[21:42] <hamitron> well, I was thinking, a self sufficient hardware pibot
[21:42] <hamitron> ;)
[21:42] <_inc> We just discovered fire here
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[21:42] <Aquilus_> Not that solar power would be any use at all where I live, mind you.
[21:43] <_inc> somewhere in america there is a town that just discovered an abundance capacotors
[21:43] <_inc> * of capacitors
[21:43] <ReggieUK> maplin is over-priced, that's why their 1/2 price stuff is worth looking at because it's usually better than anyone else at that point
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[21:45] <_inc> http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=14001760&utm_source=gbuk
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[21:48] <MartijnVdS> I found a 10W panel for ???90 -- for caravans/boats
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> *ponder*
[21:49] <ReggieUK> I found a 4watt one for ??15
[21:49] <ukscone> ReggieUK: well aren't you special :)\
[21:49] <ReggieUK> screw craplins
[21:49] <ReggieUK> as in 'special bus' special?
[21:50] * ReggieUK nods
[21:50] <_inc> linky link
[21:50] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Watt-12v-Volt-Solar-Panel-Trickle-Car-Battery-Charger-/130543581857?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item1e6500faa1
[21:51] <ukscone> yes ReggieUK is in the blunt sisssors, glitter and construction paper class
[21:51] <jardiamj> ReggieUK: Where did you find that?
[21:51] <ReggieUK> on ebay
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> For solar - a pound a wattish is where you're looking at for larger panels
[21:51] <jardiamj> oh... I saw the link..
[21:51] <ukscone> erg now ReggieUK has fleabay cooties
[21:52] <ReggieUK> hi SpeedEvil :D
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/80-Watt-Solar-Panel-PV-Monocrystalline-12V-80W-/320817441715?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item4ab235abb3
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> 80W solar panel - free shipping
[21:52] <Aquilus_> Duct tape your rpi onto that.
[21:53] <Aquilus_> UNLIMITED POWER
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> The size of panel you need for a pi is larger than you may expect.
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: size A3 paper should do, even on not-quite-clear days
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[21:53] <hamitron> depends if you want 24/7 use
[21:53] <hamitron> :/
[21:54] <MartijnVdS> Batteries!
[21:54] <hamitron> yeh, and they need charging ;)
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> In order to keep a 2.5W load alive 24*7, you need about 180W of panel.
[21:54] <hamitron> plus power for the laser sight
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> In december.
[21:54] <hamitron> erm, scrap that ;/
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[21:54] <Jaseman> hey
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> At least in scotland.
[21:55] <Jaseman> stop picking on that guy because of his circuit diagram
[21:55] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[21:55] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: so.. move to Spain? :)
[21:55] <Thorn_> lol!
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[21:55] <Jaseman> i cant stand negative people who put others down
[21:55] <Jaseman> maybe it is wrong...
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> Nobodies put anyone down.
[21:55] <Shift_> Jaseman, it's not about the diagram.
[21:55] <Jaseman> but you dont have to be an ass
[21:55] <ReggieUK> Jaseman, we've tried to point him in the right direction
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> I haven't been able to find the captive bolt gun.
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[21:55] <ReggieUK> so we've gone past the point of being nice about it
[21:55] <Shift_> Jaseman, we've spent many hours trying to help kindly
[21:55] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, linky once you have
[21:55] <ReggieUK> the pratt is going to hurt himself
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[21:56] <ReggieUK> and pass that knowledge on to someone else
[21:56] <Jaseman> ok ill believe ya but still....
[21:56] <hamitron> gotta be mean to be kind
[21:56] <Jaseman> some people can be unkind
[21:56] <WASDx> a big swedish site just posted an article on the rpi, http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/14980-xbmc-spelar-1080p-med-raspberry-pi-pytteliten-dator-for-enstaka-hundralappar
[21:56] <Shift_> Jaseman, but I agree 100%, I wouldn't normally do this.
[21:56] <WASDx> So now a 1000 more people will buy it as xbmc servers
[21:56] <Shift_> it's a.... special case.
[21:56] <Jaseman> i hope he succeeds
[21:56] * hamitron too
[21:57] <hamitron> but we don't want people testing resistors plugged into the mains
[21:57] * ReggieUK says he smells burnt flesh before he gets it to work
[21:57] <hamitron> ;)
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> (a 180W solar panel with a 50Ah 12V or so battery, appropriate charge circuitry - and here, it'd still have powered down for about a week in early dec.
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Solar is hard.
[21:57] <Jaseman> maybe its a prototype design and he'll fix it up
[21:57] <Jaseman> who knows
[21:57] <ReggieUK> it's certainly a prototype
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: The design he has made cannot ever work.
[21:58] <ReggieUK> unlikely he'll fix it up
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> In the manner the schematic for the power supply sets out.
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> It will explode stuff.
[21:58] <ReggieUK> he's started wasting lead on it already
[21:58] <hamitron> or kill someone :/
[21:58] <Jaseman> maybe he needs to learn the lesson the hard way
[21:58] * SpeedEvil looks at his box of 2kW of solar cells.
[21:58] <ReggieUK> and he *is* wiring it up exactly as it is in the diagram
[21:58] <Shift_> ReggieUK, actually, he said he changed it
[21:58] <mrdragons> Sightlight again?
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[21:59] <hamitron> mrdragons, yeh
[21:59] <mrdragons> Heh, he's getting quite the reputation here
[21:59] <Kolin> anyone have a link to his diagram?
[21:59] <Kolin> im intruigued
[21:59] <ReggieUK> personally I reckon he'd get a better design with a spirograph, some strategic glue splodges on the picture and throwing a handful of random components at the paper
[21:59] <hamitron> tbh, you have to do stupid stuff to get the creative juices flowing
[21:59] <hamitron> ;)
[22:00] <Shift_> Kolin, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi
[22:00] <mrdragons> Kolin: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi
[22:00] <mrdragons> ^^ >_>
[22:01] <Kolin> lovely :/
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[22:01] <hamitron> hang on.... oh I give up
[22:01] <Jaseman> its not a bad idea though
[22:01] <Jaseman> to make it into a netbook
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[22:02] <ReggieUK> as an exercise, possibly not that bad an idea
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Indeed not.
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> I plan to try that myself, with an old PII/300 ultralight laptop
[22:03] <hamitron> oh the idea is good
[22:03] <hamitron> :)
[22:04] <mrdragons> I plan to make a netbook, and I'm making the case myself. :P
[22:04] <victhor> uh oh I think I should have read the "minimum quantity" field before ordering
[22:04] <haltdef> he's going to do it because his gma500 netbook can't play games very well because of the state of linux drivers though :|
[22:04] <haltdef> "it'll be faster"
[22:04] <victhor> my order form has $35 worth of RTCs, that's not 1 RTC :(
[22:04] <victhor> the form says "1 UNIT"
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[22:05] <mrdragons> Now you'll have time to spare
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> victhor: what are you trying to ore?
[22:05] <victhor> :D
[22:05] <victhor> SpeedEvil, BQ32000
[22:05] <victhor> I think I'll need to retry the sample order method. My last sample request got rejected
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/BQ32000DR/296-24583-1-ND/2078417
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> $2.63
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> Depending on where you are, shipping is reasonable.
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> (though not for one part)
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[22:08] <victhor> that's the problem, I'm not in a place where shipping is reasonable
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> Where?
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[22:08] <victhor> I'm in Brazil, digikey's shipping is absurd
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[22:09] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[22:09] <Jaseman> you just need to be patient....
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> IIRC Brazil along with Argentina has truly impressive rates of duty on new electronics too.
[22:09] <Jaseman> this computer is prety much somebody's garage project right now
[22:09] <Jaseman> but its growing fast
[22:09] <victhor> not if value < $50
[22:09] <victhor> declared value that is ;)
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> victhor: ah
[22:10] <Jaseman> if it gets established.. resellers will appear to serve other countries im sure
[22:10] <Jaseman> i think potentially it could be huge
[22:10] <victhor> ironically farnell is the only distributor with reasonable shipping
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[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Surely there are some date/time chips
[22:11] <Shift_> but yes, digikey is awful outside of USA.... maybe check findchip for other distributors.
[22:12] <Jaseman> ok get ready for a dumb question
[22:12] * MystX braces
[22:12] <Jaseman> what are those pins sticking up off teh board?
[22:12] <Shift_> gpio?
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: depends.
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[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: In the UK, free shipping over $80
[22:12] <Jaseman> well i wonder what connects to them
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: connectors.
[22:13] <Shift_> Jaseman, it's general purpose.... for your own projects.
[22:13] <Jaseman> connectors for?
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: For random IO to electronics stuff.
[22:13] <Jaseman> i see
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[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Not USB or anything.
[22:13] <Jaseman> but is it like an ide connection or something?
[22:13] <Shift_> Jaseman, are you familiar with arduino?
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: no
[22:14] <Jaseman> no ive only heard abuot it on the forums here
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: They are individual pins, or groups of pins that can be used for connecting electronics of your own design to them.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> (or of others designs)
[22:14] <Jaseman> i guess there is a plug which fits onto those pins though right?
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> They are designed not for consumer-friendliness, but for ease-of-use for designers.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:14] <Jaseman> whats that plug called?
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[22:15] <SpeedEvil> Header socket.
[22:15] <Jaseman> ok
[22:15] <MystX> I feel like im doing something wrong when i change 55 files in a commit =\
[22:16] <Jaseman> anyone planning to connect a header socket?
[22:16] <Shift_> Jaseman, the idea is that you can learn some hardware design as well. Also, you can add extra functionality to the board (within limits).
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[22:16] <Shift_> And yes, I'll certainly be playing with the GPIO.
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> To connect it to a 1-wire thermometer bus.
[22:16] <MystX> Like a killer robot
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/NPPN052FFKS-RC/S6010-05-ND/810064
[22:17] <Jaseman> would it be possible tp wire up a hard drive to those connectors?
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> broadly similar socket - meant to solder onto your own board, and plug to the mating device
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: no
[22:17] <MystX> You could actually get very creative with the GPIO pins..
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: use the USB, connect an adaptor
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Well - in principle you might get a 8 bit PATA drive
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> But don't.
[22:17] <Jaseman> im not planning to plug anything on there
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[22:17] <Jaseman> dont want to blow my pi up
[22:18] <MystX> I can see myself automating everything in sight with a R-Pi
[22:18] <Jaseman> thats if i ever get one
[22:18] <MystX> My room is going to be full of wires..
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> MystX: Naah - you put a pi next to every thing, and add a wifi dongle.
[22:19] <MystX> True.. What if the stuff i want to automate is on opposite side of the room though
[22:19] <MystX> sides*
[22:19] <MystX> I could totally automate my audio switcher tntexplosivesltd
[22:19] <MystX> As in, make it network-enabled
[22:20] <victhor> there is something I wanted to do, but required a device with USB device mode support
[22:20] <Shift_> Jaseman, good idea, because there is not protection on those inputs. In fact, I don't think those pins will be on the final board, you'd have to solder them on yourself. But if you do start playing around with hardware (and I suggest that you do), it's nice to have raspberrypi provide the option.
[22:20] <victhor> a device that attached into the USB port of my DVR and acted like a mass storage device (Linux supports this), but sending the data to a network share
[22:20] <victhor> I think I know how to do this but atm no hardware.
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> You mean you want to access the files on the device while still plugged into the USB port - read only?
[22:22] <MystX> Sooo many things I could so
[22:22] <MystX> do*
[22:22] <MystX> Im going to need at least 5 R-Pis eventually =P
[22:23] <Jaseman> one will be enough for me
[22:23] <Jaseman> i might get one to keep at work
[22:23] <Jaseman> and one at home
[22:23] <Jaseman> but beyond that - no
[22:23] <victhor> SpeedEvil, no, read write
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> victhor: you basically can't do that.
[22:23] <victhor> why not?
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> victhor: The problem is the USB device is not a device to store files.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> It's a device to store blocks.
[22:24] <Jaseman> you've got the sd card for files anyway
[22:24] <Jaseman> you can fit alot on a 16gb card
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> In short - the block allocators of both devices don't know about each other.
[22:25] <victhor> yes... so what I had in mind was to use the "file backed" mass storage module, to write to a "file backed storage" file in a network share
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> So they will fight, and basically destroy your filesystem utterly.
[22:25] <victhor> not directly to the share
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> You can only (reliably) read from the card, when the DVR has closed it - and is not holding any files open.
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> And you can probably only write to it after simulating an unplug.
[22:26] <victhor> it will behave like a ordinary USB drive to the host, but instead of writing to a local file, it would write to a file on a e.g. NFS share
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> You then run into the issue that you need to map block writes to file writes.
[22:26] <victhor> the device acts only as a bridge, the DVR does all the data handling tasks.
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> The DVR writes to block 393929
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Which file does this go to?
[22:26] <victhor> to that single file
[22:26] <victhor> it's like a disk image.
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[22:27] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I see.
[22:27] <victhor> it has a file of a fixed size, and it acts much like a disk image. You can mount it, but not while the module is in use
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> That in principle might work - if you're prepared to have it unplugged whenever you want to change it locally, or read it reliably
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> s/might/will/
[22:29] <victhor> the NAS should have that file mounted read-only, if mounted at all.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> If it's mounted read-only, you shouldn't see corruption of the files - but you will see massive corruption of the disk perhaps as it gets written to.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> This will be fixed if you unmount/mount
[22:30] <victhor> ah
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> The kernel caches bits of the metadata, so if they change - wierd things happen
[22:30] <victhor> so it's better to mount the file only when I need it
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> yes - and ideally 'unplug' it from the DVR
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[22:34] <victhor> hmm.
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[22:49] <Jaseman> anyone see that post by Markus
[22:50] <MystX> Nope?
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[22:50] <Jaseman> he wrote this on the main forum....
[22:50] <Jaseman> Well??? all of us are very anxious for launch of raspb??? I???m sorry saying this but i???m getting very FRUSTRATED with this launch, It seems to me that raspb team is taking too long to make it available??? like a market campaign??? and all market campaigns that take too long to put the product in the market make the spectator???s frustrated and to look for other solution to the problem they???ve created. I???m already looking
[22:50] <Jaseman> I don???t know??? looks like they are fomenting us at a maximum level to buy but we don???t want to WAIT any longer??? we have projects to run and depends on a project that was promised to begin last year. Lot of us are allocating people to deal with this new tool, for creating new projects, new solutions and WE EVEN DON???T KNOW WHEN they will be available to the market, simply because they promise and don???t fulfill it.
[22:50] <Jaseman> I???m sorry???. but all the world noticed those hardwares, every one is interested, they appeared with a half dozen prototypes with some kind of defect bidding it @ ebay??? Don???t know??? raspberry foundation with those promises and delays are looking they are not up to the challenge and maybe won???t be able to accomplish what they offered???
[22:51] <Jaseman> I don???t want to start any discussions around this subject here??? I just want they stop marketing and make it WORK. They show from quake 3 to apple tv demos???cool BUT??? THIS MEANS NOTHING to those who need this tool. if we CAN???T have access to it, doesn???t matter the power of the hardware. We can???t make it happen??? Shame on rasp.
[22:51] <_inc> holy pasteflood batman
[22:51] <Jaseman> sorry about that
[22:51] <_inc> heard of hyperlinks? :P
[22:52] <Shift_> well whoever posted that is obviously not familiar with the proccess.
[22:52] <alien___> well, I must admit that I am also pretty anxious to get a rasp pi, so I pretty much understand this guy :)
[22:52] <_inc> that dude sounds like a spoilt brat
[22:53] <Jaseman> i think its got a bit too hyped up
[22:53] <Jaseman> the anticiation of the release is immense
[22:53] <Shift_> If you're planning a project around something that's not out yet and has no official release date and allocating resources for it in the workplace, you're a bit of an idiot.
[22:54] <alien___> that's true
[22:54] <alien___> I was hoping I could get one as a Christmas present
[22:54] <_inc> if you think your complaint on their forum is gonna speed them up somewhat, then again, you're a bit of an idiot
[22:54] <MystX> .
[22:54] <alien___> but maybe I could get one as my wife's b'day present instead :)
[22:54] <Shift_> a while back someone posted something along the lines of "I promised our client a blah blah, I need a dev board now. Please send me one ASAP, so that i can demostrate the concept" I mean really....
[22:55] <MystX> If he wants it so bad, me can develop it himself
[22:55] <Jaseman> i tink he just has no patience
[22:55] <_inc> or no life
[22:55] <Shift_> And people seem to think that the raspberrypi guys sit around doing nothing and just go do conferences and marketing
[22:55] <MystX> yup
[22:56] <Jaseman> i think people have the idea that the raspberry foundation...
[22:56] <Jaseman> is some huge organisation
[22:56] <Shift_> even then, a huge organisation would take just as long, if not longer
[22:56] <Kolin> that guy should be banned from ever buying one :)
[22:56] <Jaseman> i think everyone shuold be able to get one
[22:56] <Jaseman> if they want
[22:57] <alien___> is it known how far are we from the public release?
[22:57] <Jaseman> the more the better
[22:57] <Jaseman> no
[22:57] <haltdef> recent tweet says they'll be in the hands of the raspi guys in 2 weeks
[22:57] <Jaseman> i dont think it will be at the end of the month....
[22:57] <Shift_> they'd just hire people to work within the organisation to keep it quiet... raspberry pi depends on the community... that's where the cool demos are coming from.... people outside of the foundation
[22:57] <alien___> as in order of days,weeks,months?
[22:57] <Jaseman> bound to be a delay
[22:57] <Jaseman> but in the next few weeks i reckon
[22:57] <Jaseman> but there's going to be a lot of dissapointed people when the fist batch is gone
[22:58] <Jaseman> they people will get really crazy
[22:58] <MystX> Has anyone made a working release of PiCard yet?
[22:58] <alien___> how many boards there will be in the first batch?
[22:58] <MystX> Dont see any links in the thread
[22:58] <Jaseman> 10k
[22:58] <haltdef> those selling fast can only be good news
[22:58] <alien___> I bet they will sell like hot cakes
[22:58] <Jaseman> well not necessarily
[22:58] <haltdef> profits from the first 10k goes directly into the next batch, possible more than 10k
[22:58] <Jaseman> 10 thousand is a big number
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[22:59] <Jaseman> theres a group of people making a lot of noise about it....
[22:59] <Jaseman> but once they've all got one
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[22:59] <alien___> at this price there will be lots of schools buying it in huge numbers
[22:59] <Jaseman> it might suddenly go quiet
[22:59] <MystX> Ill laugh when one of them misses out
[22:59] <Jaseman> schools wont buy them in large numbers....
[22:59] <Jaseman> without a budget approval
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[22:59] <MystX> They'll be all "I need one now, why dont you have more"
[23:00] <alien___> we'll see
[23:00] <Jaseman> its impossible to tell
[23:00] <Jaseman> i think they were right just to make 10 thousand
[23:00] <Jaseman> in the first run
[23:00] <_inc> don't be such a debbie downer man
[23:00] <_inc> this is like a super arduino
[23:00] <_inc> it will sell
[23:01] <alien___> but is there a constraint as in how often we can make the batches?
[23:01] <alien___> like we must wait days for the next one
[23:01] <Kolin> alien___: that probably comes down to cash
[23:01] <Jaseman> well i just hope if the first 10k sell super-fast.....
[23:01] <Jaseman> and the next 10k do also...
[23:01] <_inc> alien___: it was quoted by staff in the forums that batch two would be underway imediately after
[23:01] <Jaseman> they will start producing them in larger batches
[23:02] <Jaseman> its still risky to eben and liz
[23:02] <Jaseman> they have staked alot on this
[23:02] <haltdef> I can't see money being a problem, not after people paying thousands for the beta boards
[23:02] <alien___> but will the board be improved in between these batches?
[23:03] <Jaseman> i dont know....
[23:03] <haltdef> improved how?
[23:03] <Kolin> i guess it will stay prety consistant
[23:03] <alien___> like by adding more RAM
[23:03] <Jaseman> not if it doesnt need improving
[23:03] <alien___> faster CPU
[23:03] <haltdef> very doubtful
[23:03] <Jaseman> no that wont happen
[23:03] <jardiamj> hey guys, I have an old non-working laptop Dell, I took it apart and have the screen and a keyboard with a trackpoint like the thinkpad ones. Do you think they would be reusable for the Raspberrypi...
[23:03] <_inc> why am I sensing worry about the Pi release
[23:03] <_inc> people need to chill
[23:04] <haltdef> maybe if it ever becomes cheaper if the volume they're ordering becomes high enough
[23:04] <Jaseman> i think everyone believes its going to be a massive success
[23:04] <Jaseman> thats the feeling we all get
[23:04] <_inc> if you're worried about being disapointed, then dont get so worked up about it pre-launch
[23:04] <Jaseman> thats why we are excited about it
[23:04] <MystX> Maybe even a triumph
[23:04] <haltdef> or once the currect SoC/ram stop being manufactured and a same-priced replacement shows up
[23:04] <jardiamj> I'm sorry to deviate you from your topic... I'm a completely newbie on this, and just wanted to know what somebody more acknowledgeable would think
[23:05] <MystX> jardiamj: unfortunately connecting a laptop screen is rather involved
[23:05] <alien___> jardiamj: it all depends on how you can connect to those components
[23:05] <MystX> Unless you buy a pre made board to connect between the Pi and the screen. But those are expensive
[23:05] <jardiamj> any good sources of information?
[23:05] <Jaseman> the touchpads normally have a ribbon connector
[23:06] <alien___> the laptop manufacturers usually create fancy proprietary connectors between their components
[23:06] <Jaseman> you would need to somehow connect that in to the pi
[23:06] <jardiamj> yep, the keyboard I'm talking about has two ribbon connectors, one for the keyboard and one for the trackpoint
[23:06] <Jaseman> would be easier to buy a usb touchpad
[23:06] <_inc> jardiamj: search 'LVDS' in the forums for info on the screen
[23:07] <jardiamj> Jaseman, I know but it wouldn't be that much fun...
[23:07] <Jaseman> well its not my idea of fun
[23:07] <jardiamj> I want to learn, that's the main purpose
[23:07] <Jaseman> but go for it!
[23:07] <alien___> jardiamj: out of the box there is no chance it could work, but it would be a lot of fun to make an extension board for this
[23:07] <jardiamj> _inc, I already did that.. but not much of information..
[23:08] <_inc> jardiamj: sorry, i havent got my bookmarks with me
[23:08] <Jaseman> id love to see a spectrum 48k keyboard wired to it
[23:08] <Jaseman> or any of those old retro 80's machines
[23:08] <jardiamj> alien___, that's exactly what I'm looking at, but I'm lacking the keywords to start looking
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[23:09] <Jaseman> surely there's a more useful project you could do
[23:09] <Jaseman> i mean...
[23:09] <Jaseman> usb keyboards are like ??6
[23:10] <Jaseman> you should get the gert board
[23:10] <Jaseman> and do some sutff with motors
[23:10] <alien___> Jaseman: btw, is there a list of ideas people could implement on the raspi?
[23:10] <Jaseman> that has to be more enjoyable
[23:10] <Jaseman> yes there is
[23:11] <_inc> jardiamj: http://biosrhythm.com/?p=910
[23:11] <jardiamj> Jaseman, I've seen the forums but it's kind of a pain to go through the posts
[23:11] <Jaseman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/the-projects-list-look-here-for-some-ideas
[23:11] <Jaseman> try this for a start
[23:11] <_inc> jardiamj: see how he does that with the commodore? similar process. You could even interface it to the GPIO pins on the Pi
[23:11] <alien___> yes, I would argue that wikis are better suited for this kind of information than threads on a forum
[23:12] <Jaseman> forums always get messy
[23:12] <Jaseman> and you get several threads for the same tpoic
[23:12] <Jaseman> topic
[23:12] <Jaseman> i would much rather they had only one topic
[23:13] <Jaseman> and you had to post everything in one place
[23:13] <jardiamj> yep, I was thinking on that as well
[23:13] <jardiamj> I have a hard time trying to link the ideas on the forum...
[23:13] <Jaseman> well if you have a few hours....
[23:14] <Jaseman> you can just read through all of them
[23:14] <Jaseman> ive read quite a lot of them in my spare momentsd
[23:14] <jardiamj> and it's not that I'm new to forums,
[23:14] <Jaseman> one which interests me right now is....
[23:14] <Jaseman> which distro will be official
[23:15] <Jaseman> and the foundation have been a bit poor on this....
[23:15] <alien___> I would say that many will support it
[23:15] <Jaseman> first they were quite clear that it was going to be debian
[23:15] <jardiamj> ohhh, I use Debian, so I'll probably go with Debian
[23:15] <Jaseman> then they said it might be fedora
[23:15] <alien___> Mer
[23:15] <Jaseman> or maybe something else
[23:15] <Jaseman> again... we just have to be patient....
[23:15] <alien___> it doesn't matter, it's just Linux after all
[23:16] <jardiamj> yeah, I read the fedora thing some days ago
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[23:16] <Jaseman> but for people like that Liam, who's made the pyhton tuorials on youtube....
[23:16] <jardiamj> I saw all the OS's listed, and don't know most of them
[23:16] <alien___> as long as drivers are there, people could even run android on it :)
[23:16] <Jaseman> he assumed that its debian for him virtual machine
[23:16] <Jaseman> and spent time making a video on how to install debian
[23:17] <Jaseman> which may turn out to be a waste of time
[23:17] <_inc> hands up whos go something positive to say about something?
[23:17] <Jaseman> another person has done a similar exercise as a blog
[23:17] <Jaseman> but chosen ubuntu
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[23:17] <alien___> full blown OSes are too big for the R-Pi hardware
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[23:17] <Jaseman> but if we knew the distro....
[23:18] <Jaseman> these people could make a start on developing their tutorials
[23:18] <alien___> Jaseman: why would that be useful?
[23:18] <Jaseman> under the official platform
[23:18] <ozone89> hello!
[23:18] <alien___> it doesn't matter
[23:19] <alien___> after all a distro is just a way to structure init scripts, and a packaging standard
[23:19] <vgrade> evening
[23:19] <Jaseman> well it might....
[23:19] <_inc> ozone89: hi
[23:19] <Jaseman> imagine you are a complete newbie
[23:19] <Jaseman> and maybe you used windows a little
[23:19] <Jaseman> and nothing else
[23:19] <Jaseman> and youve decided right im gonna try this raspberry pi thing
[23:19] <alien___> you will get tons of supported distros after the hardware is out there
[23:19] <Jaseman> and maybe they are struggling
[23:20] <alien___> you just pick one and flash it and there you go
[23:20] <Jaseman> so they pick up one of these tutorials
[23:20] <Jaseman> and start to learn it
[23:20] <Jaseman> and then someone comes along and says actually most people arent doing it that way now
[23:20] <alien___> yes
[23:20] <Jaseman> they might get annoyed and give up
[23:20] <alien___> so you flash the other and learn that one too
[23:21] <jardiamj> hahahahahahahaha
[23:21] <alien___> I doubt they will, people who buy it will like to try new stuff on it
[23:21] <jardiamj> I kind of agree with alien___, it doesn't really matter the distro
[23:21] <Jaseman> well i can just see a certain group of people....
[23:21] <Jaseman> who get easily confused
[23:21] <jardiamj> it's just a matter of getting use to
[23:22] <Jaseman> and they want a very simple and straight talking step by step series of lessons
[23:22] <Jaseman> they dont know what a variable is
[23:22] <Shift_> Jaseman, it doesn't work that way. Linux is linux... you can jump from distro to distro... and that's a good way to learn.
[23:22] <Jaseman> or a string
[23:22] <ozone89> just a lil' question, then I'll leave you alone :)
[23:22] <Jaseman> go ahead ozone
[23:22] <ozone89> has anybody tried to play Hi10p files with xbmc on pi?
[23:22] <ozone89> *yet
[23:22] <haltdef> not gonna work
[23:23] <alien___> there was a video on youtube
[23:23] <haltdef> no hardware supports 10bit yet :P
[23:23] <Jaseman> there was that old post with the star trek movie trailer
[23:23] <ozone89> and i guess cpu is not powerfull enough to do it, right?
[23:23] <haltdef> possibly at low resolutions
[23:23] <Jaseman> that was 1080p i think
[23:24] <ozone89> sad ozone89 is sad :(
[23:24] <ozone89> thanks for answering anyway :)
[23:24] <vgrade> its $35
[23:24] <ozone89> bye, have a nice chit-chat
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[23:24] <Jaseman> someone might manage to do it yet
[23:24] <MystX> I will have a lovely chit-chat
[23:24] <Jaseman> i guess he decided if it cant do that...
[23:24] <Jaseman> he doesnt want one
[23:25] <MystX> Yeah well..
[23:25] <MystX> Having fun isnt for everyone
[23:25] <haltdef> I'm just gonna use mine for znc and bitlbee
[23:25] <haltdef> think it'll just about work
[23:26] <jardiamj> well... see you later guys...
[23:26] <jardiamj> got to go
[23:26] <Jaseman> bye
[23:26] <victhor> besides what's the point in a 10 bpp video when the display is at 8 bpp? :P
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[23:26] <Jaseman> good luck with your laptop keyboard and touchpad
[23:27] <haltdef> better compression, even if the source is only 8 bit
[23:27] <haltdef> for cartoons anyway, it's not worth the extra encoding time for live action imo
[23:28] <Jaseman> theres too many assumptions being made
[23:28] <Jaseman> by people that havent had their hands on the thing yet
[23:28] <haltdef> ?
[23:28] <Shift_> Jaseman, what's the problem exactly?
[23:28] <Jaseman> no problem
[23:28] <haltdef> ARM11 CPUs are out there, low ram systems are out there
[23:29] <Shift_> it sounds like you're saying something's wrong
[23:29] <Jaseman> well ill just believe it when i see it
[23:29] <haltdef> believe what
[23:29] <Jaseman> nevermind
[23:30] <_inc> Jaseman is being negative about things tonight
[23:30] <Jaseman> im just saying lets just wait and see
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[23:30] <Jaseman> im really positive abuot raspi
[23:30] <Shift_> Jaseman, everything alright? bad day or something? =)
[23:30] <_inc> fooled me
[23:30] <Holz> i want my raspi already
[23:30] <Jaseman> im fine really
[23:30] <Jaseman> :-)
[23:30] <Shift_> Then stop complaining! >=/
[23:30] <Jaseman> sorry if it comes across that way
[23:30] <Holz> any info on release yet?
[23:31] <Jaseman> no
[23:31] <Shift_> (not being serious, by the way)
[23:31] <vgrade> two weeks
[23:31] <Jaseman> next person who asks that....
[23:32] <Jaseman> im gonna say.. 4 am tommorow morning
[23:32] <Shift_> I think, "they just sold out this morning" is a better answer
[23:32] <Kostic> Any new about releasing? xD
[23:32] <Jaseman> but then they wont get up early
[23:33] <Shift_> fair enough
[23:33] <Jaseman> its going to be bubble wrapped
[23:34] <MystX> Jaseman: Ill play along
[23:34] <Jaseman> even im not that cruel
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[23:35] <MystX> Oh i am
[23:35] <Jaseman> unless its that markus dude
[23:35] <alien___> regarding the kernel sources, do they support all the hardware there is on the board?
[23:36] <MystX> Yeah what's up wiht the kernel sources?
[23:36] <Jaseman> i hope you're not asking me that question - i have no idea
[23:36] <DaQatz> The source in the git does I believe.
[23:36] <MystX> Is it the normal kernel with some drivers added or what?
[23:36] <Shift_> that's exactly what it is
[23:36] <alien___> MystX: it should
[23:37] <MystX> Ah ok
[23:37] <alien___> but are there drivers for all the existing hardware?
[23:37] <Shift_> som drivers, and they changes the linux bootup logo to the raspberry pi logo
[23:37] <MystX> Hope ArchARM has a compiled version >_>
[23:37] <vgrade> MystX, yea its mainline plus Pi drivers, gfx, usb
[23:37] <Jaseman> ooh i like that
[23:37] <vgrade> Jaseman, what you planning for the device?
[23:37] <Shift_> alien___, yes and no... yes they're all there, no it's not perfect yet
[23:37] <Jaseman> i havent got any specific plan
[23:37] <alien___> Shift_: what's missing?
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[23:38] <Jaseman> i just want one and dont need to justify a reason
[23:38] <Jaseman> i can tell you this.....
[23:38] <Shift_> alien___, it doesn't meet the guidelines to be added to the official kernel.... the code is messy... that sort of thing
[23:38] <vgrade> Jaseman, do you have your toolchain sorted out?
[23:38] <Shift_> basically, there's work to be done.
[23:38] <Jaseman> first thing ill do with mine is....
[23:38] <Jaseman> see what runs on it
[23:38] <alien___> Shift_: I get it. somehow like the N900 hardware is also
[23:38] <Jaseman> IE can i get connected to the net
[23:39] <Jaseman> can i play an mp3
[23:39] <Jaseman> basic stuff
[23:40] <MystX> Whoo
[23:40] <Jaseman> after that i quite like the idea of helping some newbies
[23:40] <Jaseman> i thought about selling SD cards
[23:40] <Jaseman> with OS's on them
[23:40] <zabomber> Jaseman, i suggest you troll the forums... EVERYTHING you have just said has been covered...
[23:41] <vgrade> I think there will be a limited number due to the limited ram on the device
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[23:41] <Jaseman> i know that zabomber
[23:41] <zabomber> easy tiger
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[23:42] <Jaseman> if the raspi foundation have lots of pre-built sd cards on offer....
[23:42] <Jaseman> i wont bother making any
[23:42] <Jaseman> but if there's a shortage
[23:42] <Jaseman> there may be demand for an alternative source
[23:43] <zabomber> if theres a shortage, people will just download the OS and put it on the SD card from instructions someone will write up...
[23:43] <Jaseman> the learners wont know how to do that
[23:43] <Shift_> Jaseman, you're underestimating people.
[23:43] <Jaseman> well some people wont know how or wont want to know
[23:43] <mrdragons> That's just lazy
[23:43] <Shift_> people who don't WANT to learn have no business with a pi
[23:44] <Jaseman> maybe they want to learn something specific
[23:44] <Jaseman> and not waste time installing the OS
[23:44] <Jaseman> or finding out how to
[23:44] <Jaseman> when i buy a car....
[23:44] <Jaseman> i dont find out how the engine is assembled
[23:44] <Shift_> sorry, I have no sympathy for those people.
[23:45] <Jaseman> well nobody does...
[23:45] <MystX> Anyone know if ArchlinuxArm plans to make a PI kernel with al their patches included?
[23:45] <Jaseman> and thats why many people get alienated
[23:45] <UnderSampled> Is it out yet?
[23:45] * PiBot slaps UnderSampled across the face with a cast iron pan.
[23:45] <UnderSampled> :P
[23:45] <Shift_> Jaseman, how do they get alianated if they don't make an effort in the first place?
[23:45] <Jaseman> maybe they did have a go....
[23:45] <mrdragons> Yes, thank you pibot! :D
[23:45] <Jaseman> but stumbled
[23:45] <ukscone> Shift_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao
[23:45] <Jaseman> and then they ask advise....
[23:46] <Jaseman> and get swamped by the techy answers
[23:46] <Shift_> ukscone, this better be a cat video! >=/
[23:46] <Jaseman> and they just walk away
[23:46] <UnderSampled> That's an awesome trigger
[23:46] <UnderSampled> when does it come out?
[23:46] <MystX> Ill take that as a no
[23:46] <UnderSampled> :( didn't tirgger
[23:46] <Shift_> ukscone, close enough, yeah I've seen that...
[23:46] <UnderSampled> when's the release date?
[23:46] <UnderSampled> no trigger either
[23:46] <UnderSampled> oh well
[23:46] <ukscone> it out
[23:47] <mrdragons> brb
[23:47] <ukscone> out yet?
[23:47] <UnderSampled> it out yet?
[23:47] <UnderSampled> is it out yet?
[23:47] <ukscone> stoopid bot
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[23:47] <UnderSampled> it is out yet?
[23:47] <UnderSampled> yet it is out?
[23:47] <ukscone> it aardvark out ocelot yet?
[23:48] <Shift_> Jaseman, so you don't think being able to copy/paste console commands is a requirement to do anything useful with a pi?
[23:48] <UnderSampled> is aardvark it out yet?
[23:48] <UnderSampled> Shift_: screen?
[23:48] <Jaseman> i work in IT....
[23:49] <Jaseman> and a lot of the time i have to show people how to do stuff
[23:49] <Jaseman> and everyone has a glossy eye moment
[23:49] <Jaseman> when they cant take in the info anymore
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[23:49] <Jaseman> and its different for everyone
[23:49] <Shift_> Jaseman, and what if they say "no I don't want anything to do with this... just get it done for me, so I can <insert something irrelevant here>"
[23:50] <DaQatz> Is the rpi out yet?
[23:50] * PiBot slaps DaQatz across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[23:50] <Jaseman> everything is built ontop of something else
[23:50] <DaQatz> out yet does work.
[23:50] <Jaseman> you dont have to know it all from the ground up
[23:51] <DaQatz> If it's preceded by raspberrypi
[23:51] <Jaseman> its great if you do - but not always necessary
[23:51] <DaQatz> or some variation there of.
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[23:52] <UnderSampled> is the aardvark out yet?
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[23:52] <Shift_> Jaseman, seems like an apple sort of philosophy.
[23:52] <Jaseman> apple pi
[23:52] <Jaseman> hee hee
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[23:52] <Shift_> Good idea
[23:52] <Shift_> it can come with a built in sd card
[23:52] <Shift_> which you can't remove
[23:52] <Shift_> or write to
[23:53] <Shift_> and it will cost $500
[23:53] <UnderSampled> is the apple pi out yet?
[23:53] <Jaseman> tommorow morning
[23:53] <Jaseman> 4am
[23:53] <UnderSampled> to early for me, I guess I'll have to wait for the blackberry pi
[23:53] <Jaseman> set your alarm clock and head over to the store
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[23:54] <UnderSampled> Jaseman: head over now, or when the alarm goes off?
[23:54] <Jaseman> well go for 3.55am
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[23:54] <Jaseman> so you have time to boot up
[23:55] <Jaseman> what sort of people will buy the pi
[23:55] <Jaseman> typical profile of a pi owner
[23:55] <UnderSampled> Jaseman: first batch would be people who like linux, and have heard of arduino
[23:55] <alien___> Jaseman: clueless students who will be asked by their teacher to leard to do stuff on it
[23:56] <UnderSampled> and have an opinion about the arduino (like it/think it's pointless)
[23:56] <Jaseman> not many teachers heard of it yet i bet
[23:56] <alien___> yeah, those will be the next batches :)
[23:56] <tntexplosivesltd> UnderSampled: lol same XD
[23:56] <alien___> Jaseman: you underestimate social networks
[23:56] <UnderSampled> the Fifth batch will be people learning how to use Open office
[23:56] <Jaseman> people too tight fisted to buy a full blown pc
[23:57] <UnderSampled> or I guess it's called liberoffice or something
[23:57] <Jaseman> many of them will end up in a drawer after the first week
[23:57] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah =(
[23:58] <Jaseman> never to see the light of day again
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[23:58] <vgrade> hundreds of people here, http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted
[23:59] <Jaseman> how many of you have the logo as your wallpaper?
[23:59] <vgrade> and a couple of hundred more, http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_RaspberryPi/Device_program potential

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