#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-25

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[0:00] <Jaseman> i wonder if stephen hawking will buy one
[0:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I think he will...
[0:00] <Jaseman> hope so
[0:01] <Jaseman> and weird al yankovich
[0:02] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm...
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[0:03] <ryuo> anyone have an idea when an official enclosure for the raspberry pi will be available?
[0:03] <Jaseman> yes its been announced
[0:03] <haltdef> let's get raspis available first
[0:04] <Jaseman> im going to use them as timers for bombs
[0:04] <ryuo> Jaseman, so where is the announcement?
[0:04] <ryuo> ... ugh.
[0:04] <ryuo> x_x
[0:04] <ryuo> my last embedded board was a powerpc efika.
[0:04] <Jaseman> i wish people would stop asking
[0:04] <Jaseman> face it you're not going to get one of the first batch
[0:05] <Jaseman> so just get that idea out of your head
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[0:05] <SpeedEvil> I was under the impression the first batch was quite large.
[0:05] <Jaseman> the demand is even larger
[0:06] <ryuo> 10,000 units was it?
[0:06] <Jaseman> yes
[0:06] <Shift_> SpeedEvil, Jaseman is speculating.
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[0:06] <Shift_> I think anyone who makes an effort to get one quickly, will get one.
[0:06] <ryuo> still, it would be nice to have an enclosure to protect it.
[0:06] <Jaseman> i think we can safely say they'll be gone
[0:06] <Shift_> ryuo, cardboard box
[0:06] <Jaseman> the first batch
[0:06] * ryuo shrugs.
[0:06] <UnderSampled> anyone who gets it before the news hits slashdot
[0:07] <Jaseman> think about all the tech magazines
[0:07] <Jaseman> that will want one
[0:07] <Jaseman> wired
[0:07] <Jaseman> the gadget show
[0:07] <Jaseman> bbc click
[0:07] <sightlight> will the raspberrypi run quake 3 full speed?
[0:07] <Shift_> sightlight, jesus christ man....
[0:07] <UnderSampled> sightlight: yes
[0:07] <haltdef> you've seen the same video we have
[0:07] <sightlight> oh gosh
[0:07] <sightlight> slow down
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[0:08] <UnderSampled> Shift_, haltdef, I think I beat you for brevity
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[0:08] <victhor> sightlight, Yes. At 600 fps.
[0:08] <sightlight> it can be a posibility that the demo they uploaded was with out kernel patch
[0:08] <Jaseman> i prefer duke nukem
[0:09] <sightlight> and i know itll be like 300fps
[0:09] <haltdef> lol
[0:09] <sightlight> 30fps**
[0:09] <haltdef> better
[0:09] <haltdef> the commentary of the video did say performance has been better
[0:10] <Jaseman> it will run call of duty black ops as well
[0:10] <sightlight> no
[0:10] <sightlight> lol
[0:10] <sightlight> itl be nice though
[0:10] <victhor> it can run crysis on ultra high at 300 fps
[0:10] <tntexplosivesltd> and BF3
[0:10] <sightlight> wow, amazing
[0:10] <Shift_> can it run real life?
[0:11] <tntexplosivesltd> because it has heaps of memory to make it go fast
[0:11] <victhor> also capacitors are great for voltage regulation
[0:11] <Jaseman> no - only the matrix
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[0:11] <victhor> the really large ones work the best
[0:11] <Jaseman> you've actually been living inside a raspberry pi you're whole life
[0:11] <Shift_> no wonder I am so slow =(
[0:12] <sightlight> overclock the did
[0:12] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:12] <sightlight> overclock the thing
[0:12] <sightlight> and there.
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[0:12] <sightlight> make it roll
[0:12] <Shift_> sightlight, why don't you overclock it. Let us know when you're done.
[0:12] <sightlight> aha
[0:12] <Jaseman> Yeah lets see Model C
[0:12] <victhor> you can overclock it to 9001 MHz with liquid helium.
[0:12] <Jaseman> 1Gb RAM
[0:13] <tntexplosivesltd> and wifi
[0:13] <victhor> 1 Gb = 1 gigabit
[0:13] <victhor> = 128 MB
[0:13] <tntexplosivesltd> and a built-in screen
[0:13] <Jaseman> and usb 3
[0:13] <tntexplosivesltd> and AI
[0:13] <Jaseman> and sata
[0:13] <tntexplosivesltd> and 2 processors
[0:14] <Shift_> and a floppy drive
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> stacken on one-another
[0:14] <Jaseman> good call
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[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> * stacked
[0:14] <Jaseman> 5.25" floppy that is
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> and a pony
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> and made of gold
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> all for $12
[0:14] <Shift_> and a gramophone/turntable... I don't know why.
[0:14] <Jaseman> wow cool
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> please kthnx
[0:14] <feep> Jaseman: and satan
[0:15] <Shift_> anyway, this is nonsense. I am going to sleep. 'night
[0:15] <Jaseman> imagine loading a spectrum game from vinyl
[0:15] <feep> night
[0:15] <feep> Jaseman: .. wow. I can actually see a market for that.
[0:15] <Jaseman> lol
[0:15] <tntexplosivesltd> built-in satan...
[0:15] <tntexplosivesltd> * Satan
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[0:15] <feep> * ESatan
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[0:16] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
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[0:16] <Jaseman> i wonder if you could fit a raspi inside a keyboard
[0:16] <feep> yes.
[0:16] <feep> you can.
[0:16] <tntexplosivesltd> Yes
[0:17] <Jaseman> that would be quite nice
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> especially a funny-shaped one
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> (e.g. the kinesis ergo))
[0:17] <sightlight> if i turn down the resolution on quake 3, with an arm procesor, will it work faster?
[0:17] <Jaseman> sightlight - FORGET QUAKE 3!
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[0:18] <sightlight> anyway
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> DOOM II
[0:18] <feep> HALF-LIFE 1
[0:18] <feep> actually
[0:18] <amazoph_> PONG
[0:18] <feep> PONG 0
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> PING
[0:18] <feep> PONG :17312983
[0:18] <Jaseman> i cant imagine many people will be buying it as a games machine
[0:18] <feep> still better than the DS.
[0:19] <sightlight> Im trying to find a good programing language to learn but allways i try to the dont have exercises to practice and stuff.
[0:19] <feep> actually
[0:19] <sightlight> no fun
[0:19] <feep> if I could stick one INTO A DS
[0:19] <feep> that'd be epic
[0:19] <sightlight> they dont give you ideas on how to learn
[0:19] <Jaseman> python
[0:19] <feep> pytho
[0:19] <feep> n
[0:19] <feep> also scheme
[0:19] <sightlight> python
[0:19] <feep> the little schemer is the best introduction ever
[0:19] <Shift_> or a real language like C++
[0:19] <feep> Shift_: you asshole.
[0:19] <feep> :D
[0:19] <tntexplosivesltd> C++ = god tier
[0:20] <feep> <sightlight> I am a newcomer. <Shift_> C++!
[0:20] <Jaseman> python is friendlier
[0:20] <feep> srsly do you hate everyone
[0:20] <feep> or is it just sightlight
[0:20] <Shift_> feep, don't get me wrong. Python is user friendly and great for kids.
[0:20] <Jaseman> ive been using python for just over a week now
[0:20] <Jaseman> its very nice
[0:20] <Shift_> </troll> yeah, python is a good start
[0:21] <feep> my recommended learning order is Python, C, C++ (briefly), then whatever you want
[0:21] <feep> python for understanding programming, C for understanding the machine
[0:21] <Shift_> lies
[0:21] <feep> C++ for understanding why the industry needs to migrate away from C++
[0:21] <Shift_> assembly is for understanding the machine
[0:21] <Jaseman> bash script
[0:21] <feep> and C is portable assembly.
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[0:21] <feep> anyway, after that you can learn lisp maybe
[0:22] <feep> it's a brilliant language in many ways
[0:22] <Shift_> why lisp?
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[0:22] <feep> Shift_: so you stop thinking of code as immutable.
[0:22] <feep> even if you never use it in practice, _learning_ lisp is still good for you.
[0:23] <feep> also, conditions? miles ahead of exceptions. srsly.
[0:23] <Shift_> hmm
[0:23] <Jaseman> i can teach you html
[0:23] <Jaseman> in 30 mins
[0:24] <Shift_> =/
[0:24] <Jaseman> its a handy skill
[0:24] <feep> I can teach you html in 20 seconds
[0:24] <feep> 1. figure out what you want
[0:24] <feep> 2. google it
[0:24] <Jaseman> go on then
[0:24] <feep> 3. copypaste
[0:25] <feep> wow, that was faster than I thought
[0:25] <mrdragons> Heh, it's true too
[0:25] <Jaseman> you could say that about all the others
[0:25] <mrdragons> html is super easy
[0:25] <feep> Jaseman: yeah but with html it'll actually work???
[0:25] <feep> because browsers are SO ERROR TOLERANT.
[0:25] <feep> it's absurd.
[0:25] <Shift_> have fun copy/pasting assembly and c++ without understanding it
[0:25] <feep> I've actually seen stuff like <A HREF=/BLA.HTM>
[0:25] <mrdragons> It's not even a language
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[0:26] <Jaseman> umm actually it is
[0:26] <feep> it's a language
[0:26] <mrdragons> Well, programming language
[0:26] <feep> it's not a programming language.
[0:26] <feep> yeah
[0:26] <Jaseman> i disagree
[0:26] <Shift_> well... neither is python if you're going to be sctrict
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[0:26] <feep> Jaseman: it's not turing complete
[0:27] <Jaseman> i dont know what that means
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[0:27] <feep> Then you are really not qualified to have an opinion on this topic.
[0:27] <Shift_> anyway... why am I still here
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[0:27] <mrdragons> Python is a scripting language, I agree. :P
[0:28] <Jaseman> i wonder if you could write code in plain english
[0:28] <Jaseman> and create an interpreter
[0:28] <Jaseman> IE....
[0:29] <Jaseman> I want black text on a white background saying "Hello World"
[0:29] <mrdragons> Have you seen osx's scripting language? It's pretty close
[0:29] <feep> Jaseman: it's been tried.
[0:29] <Shift_> Jaseman, if we do, then we've got AI.
[0:29] <feep> Jaseman: Inform7.
[0:29] <feep> (yuck)
[0:29] <Jaseman> powerpoint is a language in a way
[0:30] <mrdragons> >_>
[0:30] <feep> powerpoint is not a language
[0:30] <feep> in any way
[0:30] <_inc> code me a torrent client in powerpoint
[0:30] <feep> powerpoint is a presentation editor.
[0:30] <Jaseman> you can program it to move graphics around the screen
[0:30] <_inc> heh, put that in your resum??
[0:30] <mrdragons> ...
[0:30] <feep> Jaseman: yes.
[0:30] <feep> so?
[0:30] <feep> that doesn't make it a language.
[0:30] <feep> let alone a programming language.
[0:31] <Jaseman> can you write macros in powerpoint?
[0:31] <dmsuse> powerpoint lmfao
[0:31] <feep> Jaseman: yes but the language isn't powerpoint
[0:31] <feep> it's vba
[0:31] <Jaseman> yeah i know
[0:31] <feep> vba is indeed a programming language :)
[0:31] <feep> albeit barely.
[0:31] <dmsuse> hahahahha
[0:31] <_inc> :D
[0:31] <dmsuse> my god, bbl
[0:32] <Jaseman> dmsuse....
[0:32] <Jaseman> you've just joined the very silly conversation
[0:32] <Jaseman> dont worry we're just talking nonesense
[0:32] <mrdragons> Best not mess with teh 1337 vba
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[0:33] <mrdragons> Don't we do that all the time? :P
[0:33] <dmsuse> ../win 2
[0:33] <dmsuse> Jaseman: oh good
[0:33] <_inc> in holywood powerpoint is probably used in budget productions to show some apparent mad hacking
[0:33] <dmsuse> lol
[0:33] <_inc> but this is the real world
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[0:34] <jardiamj> I do VBA from time to time
[0:34] <jardiamj> and MS Access...
[0:34] <mrdragons> I'm going to go code a GUI in visual basic to track down the IP address of the killer
[0:35] <_inc> only in holywood is frontend code so powerful
[0:35] <Jaseman> years ago i wrote some notes on an idea for compressing text
[0:35] <Jaseman> it might make you snigger
[0:35] <Jaseman> anyone interested?
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[0:35] <ReggieUK> nope, sightlight has me all sniggered out
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[0:37] <PiBot> IT_Sean| <IT_Sean> That can be our motto! "#rasberrypi. More fun than a spreadsheet!"
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[0:39] <WASDx> PiBot: we know
[0:39] <_inc> what is PiBots prime directives?
[0:39] <feep> spam
[0:39] <mrdragons> PiBot, I loves you
[0:39] <_inc> which bot is logging channel chat?
[0:39] <mrdragons> !channel
[0:39] <PiBot> mrdragons: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots
[0:40] <feep> mrdragons: as a kid, I tried to write an isometric rpg in vba
[0:40] <feep> mrdragons: I didn't quite know how arrays worked
[0:40] <feep> so I made a 9x9 grid of images
[0:40] <feep> and wrote a function to INDIVIDUALLY SET THEM
[0:40] <mrdragons> D:
[0:42] <Jaseman> one of my favorite programming commands.....
[0:42] <Jaseman> is file open and file close
[0:42] <Jaseman> for reading a writing to text files
[0:42] <tntexplosivesltd> why's that?
[0:42] <Jaseman> i dont know why - i just love it
[0:42] <_inc> for opening and closing file streamers...
[0:42] <Jaseman> reading each line into a string array
[0:43] <feep> string arrays are so 1990
[0:43] <Jaseman> so recent?
[0:43] <feep> today we load files into lazy line split iterators
[0:44] <Jaseman> comma seperated values are the future
[0:44] <Jaseman> ;-)
[0:44] <feep> while line <- splitAt(castIter!string readfile open "xmldump.txt", "\n") { } // :DDD
[0:44] <feep> strictly speaking that should be castIter!string readfile open "bla.txt" #.splitAt "\n"
[0:45] <feep> but yeah the point is that it doesn't allocate memory beyond internal buffers
[0:45] <feep> so you can process files larger than 4GB :D
[0:45] <Jaseman> 4gb text file!
[0:45] <Jaseman> try opening that with wordpad!
[0:45] <feep> it's possible! >_>
[0:46] <_inc> oh wow, remember wordpad?
[0:46] <feep> haha yeah
[0:46] <_inc> blast from the past there
[0:46] <_inc> and textpad
[0:46] <Jaseman> notepad
[0:46] <_inc> i stand corrected
[0:47] <Jaseman> i still use notepad on a daily basis
[0:47] <feep> edlin fuckers
[0:47] <_inc> I never understood why there had to be 2 different programs
[0:47] <Jaseman> so many things in windows are like that
[0:47] <Jaseman> too many ways to do the same thing
[0:48] <feep> also edit.com
[0:48] <feep> good times <3
[0:48] <hamitron> it is to pad out the menu, to make it look like you are getting something for your money ;)
[0:48] <feep> that one actually makes sense though
[0:48] <feep> _inc: notepad is a text editor, wordpad is a document editor.
[0:48] <Jaseman> this might be unpopular but....
[0:48] <Jaseman> i thought they should never have made a start menu
[0:48] <Jaseman> just have desktop icons
[0:48] <Jaseman> and no taskbar
[0:49] <hamitron> like 3.11?
[0:49] <hamitron> :/
[0:49] <Jaseman> yeah.....
[0:49] <Jaseman> because the idea was graphical interface
[0:49] <Jaseman> but startmenu is a list of text
[0:49] <hamitron> well, win95 had that option....bet most didn't choose it
[0:49] <hamitron> ;)
[0:49] <Jaseman> it kind of went against the idea
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> I use my start menu like dmenu XD
[0:50] <Jaseman> because if you go on russian windows....
[0:50] <Jaseman> you might not understand the russian word for notepad
[0:50] <_inc> graphical user interface doesnt mean 'pictures only'
[0:50] <Jaseman> but youll see the icon
[0:50] <hamitron> so don't go on russian windows....
[0:50] <hamitron> ;/
[0:50] <Jaseman> my wife is russian
[0:51] <hamitron> then learn russian
[0:51] <Jaseman> well all im saying is.....
[0:51] <_inc> obviously you dont love her that much :P
[0:51] <Jaseman> if its more image based....
[0:51] <hamitron> hehe
[0:51] <Jaseman> you wont have to worry about language translation
[0:51] <hamitron> images are more confusing imo
[0:52] <Jaseman> trashcan is obvious to everyone
[0:52] <Jaseman> and a folder icon
[0:52] <hamitron> but stuff like notepad and wordpad for example
[0:52] <hamitron> which is which?
[0:52] <Jaseman> you would soon learn
[0:52] <Jaseman> lets say the icon didnt have the name below it
[0:52] <_inc> you realise how much it costs to design a good icon? (hint: much more than bashing a few keys of text)
[0:53] <Jaseman> im sure microsoft can afford it
[0:53] <hamitron> words are easier to describe down the phone also
[0:53] <Jaseman> for key components
[0:53] <Jaseman> in that case go back to command line
[0:53] <hamitron> also, remember some people only had 16 colours
[0:54] <hamitron> 640x480 display
[0:54] <_inc> Jaseman: read "Don't make me Think" by Steve Krug. He's considered quite a expert on interface design
[0:54] <Jaseman> i would be interested to try an os that had zero text
[0:54] <Jaseman> only pictures
[0:55] <hamitron> OLPC maybe?
[0:55] <Jaseman> just to see how i got on
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> it's called mac, and people hate it XD
[0:55] <hamitron> hehe
[0:55] <hamitron> doesn't XFCE have the option?
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> eww
[0:56] <tntexplosivesltd> don't think so
[0:56] <hamitron> hey, I prefer LXDE for the record ;/
[0:56] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:56] <Jaseman> im very new to x windows
[0:56] <Jaseman> so i have no preference
[0:56] <Jaseman> lxde looks fine...
[0:57] <hamitron> LXDE or fluxbox ftw
[0:57] <Jaseman> but kde is fine too
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[0:57] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, what char is that?
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> nope nope nope nope nope
[0:57] <hamitron> :)
[0:57] <Jaseman> or gnome
[0:57] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: never gets old doesn't it? ???_???
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> hamitron: unicode 0ca0
[0:57] <Jaseman> i can live with any of those
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> Jaseman: ...
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> I can't
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> gnome is slow
[0:57] <hamitron> afraid I don't know unicode
[0:57] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, so what you use?
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> dwm
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> it's lightweight as
[0:58] <Jaseman> theres so many people arguing on the net...
[0:58] <_inc> ???helium
[0:58] <Jaseman> whether they prefer windows to linux to apple
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> and handles 2 monitors really well
[0:58] <Jaseman> or atheists vs relious
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> and starts in an instant
[0:58] <_inc> Jaseman: dont start something here
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> all options are compile-time
[0:58] <Jaseman> its an arguement that never can be won....
[0:59] <Jaseman> its like in war games
[0:59] <_inc> and thats the end of that topic
[0:59] <tntexplosivesltd> so changing an option means recompiling
[0:59] <Jaseman> when the computer realises that tic tac toe is pointless
[0:59] <hamitron> I never used dwm tbh
[0:59] <_inc> hey chaps, anyone fancy a cup of tea and some toast?
[0:59] <hamitron> no
[0:59] <Jaseman> sounds nice
[0:59] <hamitron> ;)
[0:59] <Jaseman> but its too late
[0:59] <Jaseman> im going to bed
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> the thing I find annoying about gnome is that it does everything for you in a window
[1:00] <hamitron> yeh
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[1:00] <hamitron> I only like LXDE, for a list of apps to start
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> but if you want to do an advanced thing, you need to go to the terminal anyway
[1:01] <_inc> does everything for you in a window?
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[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> like you follow some menu to a settings window
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[1:01] <Jaseman> lol sounds like a hooker in amsterdam
[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[1:01] <hamitron> Jaseman, stop justifying Gnome ;)
[1:01] <Jaseman> gnight
[1:02] <hamitron> nn
[1:02] <mrdragons> Nite
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[1:02] <_inc> tntexplosivesltd: so you mean you'd sometimes like to edit config files and such?
[1:02] <tntexplosivesltd> I do that anyway
[1:02] <hamitron> config files are the only way
[1:02] <_inc> sorry, was just trying to understand what you meant
[1:02] <hamitron> unless you run something like ubuntu and it makes everything confusing
[1:02] <hamitron> :/
[1:02] <mrdragons> I didn't switch to linux for cluttered, obfuscated guis
[1:03] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, you can't even have a .xinitrc
[1:03] <mrdragons> That's why ubuntu has kinda grown to annoy me. :\
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> also, memory footprint
[1:04] <hamitron> tbh, linux has forked into different sets of OS more in recent years
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[1:04] <hamitron> I'm refering to distro for you purists
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> I started on Arch, have to use ubuntu at work. It's terrible
[1:04] <hamitron> I never used arch
[1:04] <mrdragons> I do recommend
[1:04] <hamitron> requires i686 cpu
[1:04] <hamitron> :/
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
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[1:04] <mrdragons> Even if you don't stick with it, it's with a shot
[1:05] <tntexplosivesltd> the better CPU
[1:05] <tntexplosivesltd> hamitron: you have an old computer?
[1:05] <mrdragons> Yeah. :P
[1:05] <hamitron> I have some
[1:05] <hamitron> not all are old ffs
[1:05] <mrdragons> 23?
[1:05] <hamitron> yes, 23
[1:06] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: you suck at checking your phone
[1:06] <hamitron> I got a thin client with a SiS cpu
[1:06] <hamitron> it is i586
[1:06] <hamitron> recently
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: you suck at expecting that my phonw was in me
[1:06] <hamitron> AMD Geode is i586 also
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> * phone
[1:07] <hamitron> so is the earlier VIA C3
[1:07] <MystX> I dont expect your phone to be in you AT ALL
[1:07] <MystX> Thats pretty gross..
[1:07] <hamitron> :)
[1:07] <hamitron> with vibration
[1:07] <mrdragons> >_>
[1:07] <MystX> Also, if you're not going to keep it on you, stick to a landline
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: lol henry and I beat liam and sam
[1:08] <MystX> Good
[1:08] <MystX> I forget which ones those are
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[1:09] <MystX> >_>
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> sam is good
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> liam is also good
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> that is all you need to know
[1:09] <MystX> Yeah liam is
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[1:11] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[1:11] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
[1:11] <mrdragons> :D
[1:12] <hamitron> is the bot out yet?
[1:12] <mrdragons> Out is it yet?
[1:12] <hamitron> :/
[1:12] <feep> who let the bot out?
[1:12] <feep> who who who who
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[1:13] <piofcube> That should be "who let the bot *in*" ;-)
[1:13] <MystX> Is it on sale yet?
[1:14] <MystX> WINNER
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[1:19] <_inc> can someone program their bot to announce twitter/site rss
[1:20] <_inc> cus you know, that would be useful
[1:21] <MystX> Could write a module for Modbot
[1:21] <MystX> Hmm, an rss module would be awesome..
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm...
[1:22] <zabomber> PiBot what is 2 + 2?
[1:23] <zabomber> PiBot: what is 2 + 2?
[1:23] <hamitron> PiBot, what is 2+2?
[1:23] <hamitron> :/
[1:23] <hamitron> dumb ass bot
[1:24] <hamitron> zabomber, what is 2+2?
[1:24] <Hideki> no updates on the site for 4 days -.-
[1:24] <_inc> no news is good news
[1:24] <DaQatz> PiBot does not do math
[1:24] <Hideki> that's not always true...
[1:25] <DaQatz> !g 2 + 2
[1:25] <PiBot> DaQatz: http://www.twoplustwo.com/ - "Poker Strategy - Two Plus Two Poker &amp; Gaming Strategy"
[1:25] <DaQatz> !g 2 + 2 =
[1:25] <PiBot> DaQatz: http://www.twoplustwo.com/ - "Poker Strategy - Two Plus Two Poker &amp; Gaming Strategy"
[1:25] * DaQatz shrugs.
[1:25] <hamitron> !g calc 2+2
[1:25] <PiBot> hamitron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus - "Calculus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[1:25] <DaQatz> Even google isn't it seems.
[1:25] <_inc> 1. always use most your time and resources writing a post.
[1:25] <hamitron> google is filtered
[1:25] <_inc> 2. actually spend that time doing other more important work
[1:25] <hamitron> ;/
[1:26] <hamitron> car manufacturers have stopped results for 2+2 been shown
[1:26] <_inc> 3. spend all your time on IRC and dont get anything done
[1:26] * hamitron is #3 atm
[1:26] <_inc> the foundation is at #1 hopefully
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[1:27] <hamitron> yeh
[1:27] <_inc> and by #1 i mean #2
[1:28] <hamitron> oh crap, yeh
[1:28] <hamitron> haha
[1:28] <piofcube> anyone know where arch are hiding their older distros?
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[1:30] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[1:31] * blocky_ is now known as blocky
[1:32] <MystX> I am also #3
[1:32] <MystX> I should write a rss module though
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[1:35] <_inc> MystX: rss for github commits is an idea
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> github has a commit hook for that XD
[1:39] <MystX> How can i get a rss feed of r-Pi's tweets?
[1:39] <MystX> or the blog..
[1:39] <_inc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/feed
[1:40] <_inc> http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/RaspberryPi.rss
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[1:41] <_inc> MystX: bump
[1:52] <MystX> Im getting there
[1:53] <_inc> faster lad :P
[1:54] <MystX> Im not sure which part the tweets come under
[1:55] <MystX> whether the text is in the title field, or description or what
[1:55] <MystX> oh, i can find out
[1:56] <_inc> <description>raspberrypi: I really hope that some of the american Congressmen are horribly inconvenienced by the #SOPAstrike and they nix the bill</description>
[1:57] <_inc> the description tags nested within the <item> tags
[1:57] <_inc> I would do it but im revising sorry :P
[1:57] <_inc> Im having a browse at some frameworks mind
[2:00] <MystX> Also that link is wrong
[2:00] <MystX> its raspberry_pi
[2:00] <MystX> This should be interesting
[2:01] <_inc> my bad
[2:01] <_inc> :P
[2:04] <mrdragons> So did you guys buy one yet?
[2:05] <_inc> this morning
[2:05] <_inc> batch has sold out now
[2:05] <ukscone> bought two
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[2:05] <MystX> I only got one
[2:05] <MystX> =(
[2:05] <MystX> Ooh hello
[2:05] <MystX> !load rss
[2:05] <_inc> !latestnews
[2:05] <_inc> ;)
[2:06] <MystX> !load rss
[2:06] <MystX> fuuuuu
[2:06] <MystX> !load rss
[2:06] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:06] <MystX> !unload rss
[2:06] <AnotherBot> Module 'rss' wasn't loaded.
[2:07] <MystX> ???_???
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
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[2:07] <MystX> Bots, man
[2:07] <MystX> So roudy
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[2:07] <MystX> !load rss
[2:07] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:07] <mrdragons> !hi anotherbot
[2:07] <MystX> soo
[2:07] <mrdragons> !help
[2:08] <MystX> Nothing's loaded, mrdragons
[2:08] <mrdragons> !load rss
[2:08] <MystX> ..
[2:08] <MystX> I think we might have to wait a minute
[2:08] <mrdragons> !unload rss
[2:08] <slaeshjag> #raspberrypi-bots :P
[2:09] <mrdragons> It's a party in there. >_>
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[2:10] <PiBot> IT_Sean| Crap! Hide the pretzels!!!
[2:10] <MystX> Ok THIS TIME
[2:10] * IT_Sean peers in
[2:10] <tntexplosivesltd> how do we get a thing when we join?
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[2:10] <MystX> Itll probably spew out the latest of each though =\
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[2:11] <MystX> !load rss
[2:11] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:11] <MystX> FUUU
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[2:11] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-bots
[2:11] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-bots - Raspberry PI room for bots and testing.
[2:12] <EiNSTeiN_> !load python; !exec nc 1337
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[2:12] <MystX> The problem is that this is the old version of modbot
[2:12] <MystX> EiNSTeiN_: I have an exec module ;)
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[2:12] <MystX> !load rss
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[2:12] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:12] <EiNSTeiN_> MystX: what could go wrong hehe
[2:13] <slaeshjag> !exec cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[2:13] <MystX> Its not loaded -.-;
[2:13] <MystX> !unload rss
[2:13] <AnotherBot> Module 'rss' wasn't loaded.
[2:13] <MystX> ???_???
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[2:13] <tntexplosivesltd> dsp doesn't exist on most systems
[2:14] <DaQatz> !exec cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda
[2:14] <slaeshjag> I hope he isn't stupid enough to run it as root :)
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[2:15] <DaQatz> !exec cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda
[2:15] <MystX> Again, that module isnt loaded by default
[2:15] <MystX> And can only be loaded by an admin or me
[2:15] <MystX> !load rss
[2:15] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:15] <AnotherBot> New blog post: Getting ready for launch: kernel sources on GitHub - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/574
[2:15] <AnotherBot> New tweet: raspberrypi: I really hope that some of the american Congressmen are horribly inconvenienced by the #SOPAstrike and they nix the bill
[2:16] <MystX> There
[2:16] <MystX> Now we wait..
[2:16] <MystX> Wait thats the wrong twitter account
[2:16] <MystX> !unload rss
[2:16] <AnotherBot> Module 'rss' unloaded.
[2:16] <MystX> !load rss
[2:16] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[2:16] <AnotherBot> New blog post: Getting ready for launch: kernel sources on GitHub - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/574
[2:16] <AnotherBot> New tweet: Raspberry_Pi: @Epic_Assassin I believe it's on the wiki too somewhere.
[2:16] <DaQatz> MystX, do the testing and spamming stuff in #raspberrypi-bots
[2:16] <MystX> Im done now
[2:17] <MystX> Unless that prints again in a minute. In which case ill give up
[2:17] <_inc> thanks MystX
[2:18] <MystX> That took way longer than it should have
[2:19] <MystX> Tweet something already, raspberry_pi
[2:21] <_inc> MystX: it is hosted on AWS?
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[2:23] <koaschten> i doubt thats gonna happen at 3:20 local pi time ;)
[2:24] <UnderSampled> #raspberrypi-bots
[2:24] <UnderSampled> oops
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[2:24] <MystX> _inc: yup
[2:25] <MystX> Modular programming ftw
[2:26] <MystX> Id load the polls and stuff too but..
[2:33] <ReggieUK> can we punch the bots?
[2:33] * Gwildor punches the bots
[2:35] <IT_Sean> can we kick 'em out?
[2:36] <IT_Sean> pleeeease?
[2:40] <_inc> AnotherBot has a use
[2:40] <_inc> all the others give various answers to how Windows won't run on the Pi
[2:41] <Gwildor> WINDOWS WONT RUN ON THE PI!!!!
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[2:42] <_inc> yea, spoilers
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[2:44] <SpeedEvil> Sure it will.
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Win-CE, or qemu+wine
[2:45] <Gwildor> aww.
[2:45] <slaeshjag> It won't be fast though :)
[2:46] <IT_Sean> Why are people so intent on getting windows on a pi?
[2:46] <azalyn> windows is useless in any case.
[2:46] <azalyn> it's only useful on x86 machines due to compatibility.
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> win-ce might be nice
[2:46] <Gwildor> im stuck on it :(
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> there are a number of good GPS apps
[2:47] <Gwildor> IT manager knows dick all about *nix.... i mean, err, its a security risk
[2:47] <IT_Sean> heh
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[2:48] <Gwildor> i cant use anything opensource, says my manager from his firefox browser, with a ssh session open
[2:48] <IT_Sean> your manager is a dingletwat
[2:49] <_inc> :)
[2:49] <Gwildor> to be fair, they didnt teach him anything about it in his M$ cert classes...
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[2:49] <IT_Sean> i dunno... that sounds like pure ignorance
[2:50] <Gwildor> HA, funny....the exactly the other managers responce.
[2:50] <IT_Sean> Is it written company policy that you can't run linux?
[2:50] <Gwildor> no, its written company policy that this guy has to approve the software
[2:51] <azalyn> microsoft has managed to convince a lot of people in the industry that windows is secure and linux isn't.
[2:51] <IT_Sean> urg
[2:51] <azalyn> it's like the twilight zone.
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> Which is reasonable, if windows provided any security warranty.
[2:51] <Gwildor> ill make another push for it soon, our audit will be over.
[2:51] <azalyn> to microsoft, 'security' is just another marketing buzzword.
[2:52] <Gwildor> tbh, its for productivity for me more than anything...
[2:52] <Gwildor> its a pita looking for 'free' tools to replicate the functionality i am losing.
[2:53] <Gwildor> try finding a working second monitor taskbar... or make mouse follow focus on windows...
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[2:58] <Gwildor> lots of K love here
[3:00] <Gwildor> so... if anyone has any tips about joining a (preferably debian) install to Active Directory, now is the time
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[3:01] <IT_Sean> urf... i hate active directory
[3:01] <IT_Sean> Active directory can [censored] my [censord]ing [censored]s with a [censored]
[3:01] <DaQatz> That's ok it hates you too.
[3:01] <Gwildor> lol
[3:05] <MystX> Who actually owns this channel?
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> chanserv knows!
[3:05] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[3:06] <MystX> Right
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[3:15] <ukscone> hands up who's a bot in here ?
[3:16] <MystX> >_>
[3:16] <IT_Sean>
[3:16] <Gwildor> yeah.....
[3:16] * jmontleon looks inconspicuous
[3:16] <ctyler> ukscone: invert the question and you'll get better data
[3:17] <ukscone> i bet that ctyler user is just an intelligent eliza bot
[3:17] <IT_Sean> right... everyone... raise your had if you are NOT a bot!
[3:17] <IT_Sean> o/
[3:17] <ukscone> seriously though we are up to 3 bots in here now aren't we?
[3:18] <MystX> o/*\o
[3:18] <piofcube> o\
[3:18] <MystX> Oh, wait
[3:19] <ctyler> o/
[3:19] <ukscone> i'm just mulling what we need to clear out of the logs, bot quotes db's etc. ready for the nappies and newbies that will find there way in here around feb 14th or so
[3:20] <IT_Sean> i say leave it all
[3:20] <ctyler> /feb 14/ WAT?
[3:20] <IT_Sean> he said AROUND
[3:20] <ukscone> even the sheep talk and the quotes with rude words in them?
[3:20] <IT_Sean> i say leave it all
[3:20] <MystX> Which bots have quotes?
[3:21] <ukscone> said another 2 weeks or so for the boards to get back so around the 7th and then a day or so testing, boxing and selling so the first will be with users around 14th to 21st
[3:21] <MystX> also.. Just testing
[3:21] <MystX> http://google.com
[3:21] <AnotherBot> Google
[3:22] <MystX> Ah, correct.
[3:22] <mrdragons> !channel raspberrypi-bots
[3:22] <PiBot> mrdragons: Unknown room.
[3:22] <mrdragons> !channel #raspberrypi-bots
[3:22] <PiBot> mrdragons: #raspberrypi-bots - Raspberry PI room for bots and testing.
[3:22] <ukscone> on the whole i think we are ok pg13 wise but don't want anything in the logs or bots that would embarass the foundation
[3:22] <MystX> mrdragons: I know
[3:22] <IT_Sean> I think we need to declare a new rule. All bot TESTING gets done in A DIFFERENT CHANNEL. No unapproved bots in here.
[3:22] <MystX> Ok, testing wasnt the right word to use
[3:22] <ctyler> approved? by the BOT APPROVAL COMMITTEE?
[3:22] <IT_Sean> MystX: yes, it was
[3:23] <ukscone> i accept bribes
[3:23] <IT_Sean> Yes. ctyler. Otherwise we are going to end up with 100 bots in here
[3:23] <MystX> IT_Sean: For me, i mean.
[3:23] <mrdragons> ukscone: Can I has beta board?
[3:23] <ukscone> most currencies, visa, mastercard, amex and twiglets
[3:23] <IT_Sean> ukscone: what about jaffa cakes and sexual favors?
[3:23] <MystX> Permission to paste a youtube link to show off my bot? (Not testing, it works)
[3:24] <mrdragons> Fine. >_>
[3:24] <ukscone> jaffa cakes too SWMBO might not like the sexual favours part
[3:24] <MystX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmWJbN8bDo
[3:24] <AnotherBot> Skream & Example - Shot Yourself In The Foot Again (Official Video) - YouTube
[3:24] <AnotherBot> Rating: 41761 / 1026 || Views: 8270509 || Duration: 3:52
[3:24] <IT_Sean> MystX: 'tis better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission
[3:24] <MystX> =D
[3:24] <mrdragons> Mumble mumble not allowed to use my bot here mumble mumble
[3:24] <IT_Sean> and on that note, i am off for the night
[3:24] <MystX> Night
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[3:25] <mrdragons> Nitenite
[3:25] <mrdragons> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZncsJVcZU
[3:25] <AnotherBot> Oscillist - Ethereal Drift - YouTube
[3:25] <AnotherBot> Rating: 5 / 0 || Views: 593 || Duration: 5:40
[3:25] <ukscone> mrdragons: don't be sad i am not ALLOWED to even write a bot after the sconebot debarcle in jdev
[3:25] <MystX> Ill be in contact with ukscone about AnotherBot
[3:25] <mrdragons> sconebot sounds awesome, not gonna lie
[3:25] <MystX> Unless he finds me anoying. In which case i wont be
[3:25] <ukscone> so ok i missed a tiny flag setting and it copied the whole hostory of the room to the room every 10ms
[3:25] <ukscone> no sense of humour
[3:26] <MystX> XD
[3:26] <mrdragons> 'Tiny' XD
[3:27] <mrdragons> Hey, you didn't fail at making a bot, you just succeeded at making a spam bot.
[3:27] <ukscone> mrdragons: i had a good set of bots but aftr that one they made me put them in a sandbox for 6 months forst
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[3:28] <mrdragons> I can imagine
[3:30] <mrdragons> I might just do a complete redesign of my bot, it's a bit... lacking compared to others.
[3:31] <mrdragons> It's not extensible enough
[3:33] <ukscone> ok mrdragons you have just invoked my wrath
[3:33] <mrdragons> Aw. :(
[3:33] <ukscone> the next person who uses the word extensible gets banned
[3:34] <mrdragons> What's wrong with the word extensible?
[3:34] <ukscone> it might be in the dictionary but there IS NO SUCH WORD it's EXTENDABLE!!!!
[3:35] <mrdragons> It's not extendable enough
[3:35] <ukscone> extensible is the biggest piecee of excrement that ever got uttered by anyone
[3:35] <Gwildor> 'robust' is the word you seek
[3:35] <piofcube> Is it extensive enough for you?
[3:36] <mrdragons> ukscone: You obviously haven't listened to enough pop radio
[3:36] <ukscone> i hate the bloody word and i've knifed people for less
[3:36] <mrdragons> "I'm so 2008, you're so 2000-late"
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[3:36] * mrdragons shoots self
[3:37] <UnderSampled> mrdragons: I think you're four years behind
[3:37] <ukscone> i hated the bloody word when they were debating whether to call xmpp xmpp or not -- nearly took a baseball bat to the nominators head
[3:37] <mrdragons> It's still on the radio though. :P
[3:37] <ukscone> mrdragons: so if howard stern doesn't mean i have to like it though
[3:37] <ukscone> s/if/is
[3:37] <UnderSampled> ukscone: I think you need to learn english
[3:37] <UnderSampled> it's the only living living language
[3:38] <ukscone> UnderSampled: nope you lot need to learn english
[3:38] <UnderSampled> where words can grow, die, become fruitful, and become fertalizer
[3:38] <ukscone> i am english so i am correct by devine right
[3:38] <Gwildor> yeah, fanny
[3:38] <mrdragons> Hah
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[3:38] <UnderSampled> ukscone: would you rather have a government controlled language, like Spanish?
[3:39] <ukscone> ok my spelling leaves a lot to be desired but what i say goes
[3:39] <mrdragons> doubleplusgood
[3:39] <ukscone> UnderSampled: no but i'd ban americans from calling what they speak english
[3:39] <UnderSampled> ukscone: english is an umbrella language
[3:40] <ukscone> for a start there is a U in colour, honour....
[3:40] <UnderSampled> mostly, just a grammar
[3:40] <piofcube> ukscone: what would you prefer it called? Ameriglish? ;-)
[3:40] <mrdragons> ukscone: goougle
[3:40] <Gwildor> HA
[3:40] <UnderSampled> how you spell or pronounce the words is your own choise
[3:40] <Gwildor> potatoe potatoe
[3:40] <UnderSampled> I mean, does what the indian's speak count?
[3:40] <Gwildor> tomato tomato
[3:40] <UnderSampled> as british
[3:40] <Gwildor> ello, dis is nick
[3:41] <ukscone> well normally they are speaking gujarati
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[3:41] <LiENUS> raspi released!?
[3:41] <UnderSampled> ukscone: they also speak english, and it's different than american/british/south african/australian
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[3:42] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[3:42] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
[3:42] <Gwildor> ITS A SKILLET!
[3:42] <UnderSampled> mrdragons:, slapped by his own bot
[3:42] <mrdragons> Not mine. :P
[3:42] <mrdragons> That would be DaQatz
[3:42] <ukscone> they are biscuits not cookies, crisps not chips chips not french friees
[3:43] <DaQatz> ?
[3:43] <Gwildor> buiscuits dont have sugar in them, cookies do
[3:43] <DaQatz> Starch = sugar
[3:43] <mrdragons> Biscuits are for dogs
[3:43] <DaQatz> biscuits have flour
[3:43] <Gwildor> you cheater
[3:43] <ukscone> well all american cookies suck as they are stale
[3:43] <ukscone> biscuits go soft when they are stale
[3:43] <Gwildor> you want 'soft' cookies
[3:44] <DaQatz> Even the fresh baked cookies?
[3:44] <Gwildor> nothing goes soft when it is stale
[3:44] <DaQatz> Gwildor, not truw
[3:44] <Gwildor> stagnant, maybe, stale, no
[3:44] <ukscone> biscuits to -- leave a rich tea or digestive out for a few days and then see
[3:44] <Gwildor> DaQatz: stale icecream = soft ?
[3:44] <ukscone> that is the legal definition of the differencee between cakes and biscuits inported into the eu
[3:45] <DaQatz> But english biscuits kinda umm suck.
[3:45] <ukscone> if it goes soft when stake it's a biscuit if it goes hard it's a cake and thus no import duty on it
[3:45] <DaQatz> Gwildor, Try stale "crispsL aka potato chips
[3:45] <UnderSampled> if you put some freshly baked biscuits in with your old cookies, the moisture from the biscuits will transfer to the cookies
[3:45] <piofcube> potato chips? ohh crisps?
[3:45] <Gwildor> UnderSampled: or any bread...even 'wonder'
[3:46] <UnderSampled> Gwildor: hardly counts as bread
[3:46] <Gwildor> i guess they kinda goes soft.... more stale than soft,....hahaha
[3:46] <Gwildor> UnderSampled: still works
[3:46] <DaQatz> As to muffins, US muffins are better. They are more like a scone.
[3:46] <Gwildor> you mean... like an english muffin ?
[3:46] <Gwildor> or a blueberry muffin ?
[3:47] <UnderSampled> english muffins are scones
[3:47] <DaQatz> In england an english muffin is just a muffin
[3:47] <Gwildor> and a blueberry muffin, in england?
[3:47] <UnderSampled> us muffins are like cupcakes made of awesome bread
[3:47] <UnderSampled> instead of cake
[3:47] <DaQatz> Cupcakes != muffins
[3:47] <Gwildor> lol, yes
[3:47] <DaQatz> Even in us
[3:47] <Gwildor> DaQatz: same form factor :P
[3:47] <UnderSampled> muffins > cupcakes
[3:48] <mrdragons> Agreed
[3:48] <DaQatz> A cupcake is waaay to sweret
[3:48] <DaQatz> sweet*
[3:48] <Gwildor> is cake to sweet ?
[3:48] <mrdragons> Yeah
[3:48] <Gwildor> cuz its cake... in cup form
[3:48] <mrdragons> A muffin gets it just right though
[3:48] <Gwildor> what about corn bread?
[3:48] <UnderSampled> Gwildor: actaully, I bet cupcakes could be really good if they weren't made with storebaught cake mix
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[3:48] <Gwildor> its kinda like a muffin
[3:49] <UnderSampled> good with honey
[3:49] <mrdragons> Maybe, never been a big fan of cornbread though
[3:49] <Gwildor> UnderSampled: you need a grandma to bake for you :D
[3:49] <Gwildor> also, i had pulled pork, and ice cream cake at work today :D
[3:49] <UnderSampled> mrdragons: where do you live?
[3:49] <Gwildor> mrdragons: its better if some jerk doesnt put sugar in it :D
[3:50] <mrdragons> UnderSampled: US
[3:50] <mrdragons> I mean, it's not bad, it's just not amazing
[3:50] <UnderSampled> mrdragons: north or south?
[3:50] <mrdragons> I'ma yankee
[3:50] <UnderSampled> ???The North thinks it know how to make corn bread, but this is a gross superstition. Perhaps no bread in the world is quite as good as Southern corn bread, and perhaps no bread in the world is quite as bad as the Northern imitation of it.???
[3:50] <UnderSampled> Mark Twain
[3:50] <Gwildor> down south US = swet corn break (cake, it has sugar).... up north, no sugar in it....ad butter while its steaming hot....mmmm
[3:51] <Gwildor> "bread" does not require you to add granulated sugar to the grain, cake does.... southern cornbread = corncake
[3:52] <DaQatz> Northern cornbread has no sugar
[3:52] <Gwildor> correct, and it is GOOD
[3:52] <DaQatz> Neither does the northern corn muffins
[3:52] <Gwildor> DaQatz: that jiffy mix crap ?
[3:52] <DaQatz> I have never even eaten that crap
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[3:53] <Gwildor> wtf 'corn' would i ear...with sugar added?
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[3:53] <Gwildor> would you like sweetened or unsweetened taco shells ?
[3:53] <DaQatz> That would depend
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[3:53] <mrdragons> Ew, sweetened taco shells? 0_o
[3:53] <Gwildor> if you are eating a taco or not ?
[3:54] <UnderSampled> I like my tacos soft, which is really more of a burrito :P
[3:54] <DaQatz> On what I'm putting in it.
[3:54] <Gwildor> mrdragons: you putting sugar in your cornbread, might as well your shells
[3:54] <Gwildor> UnderSampled: also not corn,...is flour
[3:54] <DaQatz> I make chipotle glaze that people swoon over.
[3:54] <DaQatz> Has a damn lot of sugar in it
[3:54] <mrdragons> Gwildor: I thought the north didn't put sugar in their cornbread?
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[3:55] <DaQatz> We don't
[3:55] <Gwildor> mrdragons: they dont...
[3:55] <mrdragons> So I don't put sugar in my cornbread...?
[3:55] <Gwildor> no, dont.
[3:55] <DaQatz> We also do not commonly make taco shells
[3:55] <DaQatz> We put sugar in our beans though
[3:55] <Gwildor> unless you want corncake, this has sugar in it
[3:55] <Gwildor> ahh, beans, maybe...
[3:55] <Gwildor> also, not corn
[3:56] <DaQatz> And the southern folk are less kin to that.
[3:56] <DaQatz> Baked or stewed they are good with at least a little sugar
[3:56] <Gwildor> i dont eat beans...
[3:56] <Gwildor> kidney beans in chili, thats it
[3:56] <mrdragons> How did we get on talking about cornbread...
[3:56] <Gwildor> not even green beans.
[3:57] <Gwildor> mrdragons: some british kids and his damned chips
[3:57] <mrdragons> Ah, that's right
[3:57] <DaQatz> Most people have not had beans cooked right.
[3:58] <Gwildor> yeah, ive been so turned off...i wont even try them now... no matter how 'good' they are
[3:59] <DaQatz> If they are canned they are trash
[4:00] * Gwildor has a like 6 bags of beans in the closet
[4:00] <DaQatz> Well I grow them
[4:00] <Gwildor> AHA
[4:00] <DaQatz> Nice fresh french horticultural
[4:00] <Gwildor> greens?
[4:01] <DaQatz> Sometimes but prefer shell beans
[4:01] <Gwildor> tha fuk is a shell bean?
[4:01] <Gwildor> to the googles
[4:01] <Gwildor> oh...yup, i have bags of those
[4:02] <DaQatz> Oh a type of those.
[4:02] <DaQatz> It's a large category
[4:02] <Gwildor> im sure.
[4:02] <Gwildor> as are the bags :P
[4:02] <Gwildor> the markings i see....
[4:02] <Gwildor> not like lima beans, obviously
[4:02] <DaQatz> Dry is fone for a lot of stuff.
[4:02] <DaQatz> fine*
[4:02] <DaQatz> A few things I will only do with fresh.
[4:02] <Gwildor> tbh, they will be in the closet until the apocolypse
[4:03] <DaQatz> Lol
[4:03] <Gwildor> then, i eat beans
[4:03] <DaQatz> If I were there to cook them for you. I bet I could make you like them.
[4:03] <Gwildor> O.o
[4:03] <Gwildor> does this usually work :P
[4:03] <DaQatz> For me? Yes.
[4:04] <DaQatz> I'm a fair cook.
[4:04] <Gwildor> i can make.... pancakes
[4:04] <Gwildor> grilled cheeze.... ramen, the staples
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[4:04] <DaQatz> I have never met a recipe I could not make.
[4:04] <Gwildor> the onl real thing i 'make' is "chicken and rice"
[4:05] <Gwildor> its chicken, rice... gravy
[4:05] <Gwildor> or, cream of mushroom soup, our choice
[4:05] <DaQatz> Chicken and rice, while simple is easy to ruin.
[4:05] <Gwildor> hmm, i may make this.
[4:05] <DaQatz> A lot of people really mess it up.
[4:05] <Gwildor> wtf, how ?
[4:05] <Gwildor> burn the rice water
[4:05] <DaQatz> Mush rice, bland chicken etc...
[4:05] <Gwildor> yeah, i supose.
[4:05] <Gwildor> i use instant rice, so...
[4:06] <Gwildor> boil chick,... use chicken water to make instant rice while you cut up chicken.... mix with gravy/soup
[4:06] <DaQatz> Oi
[4:06] <Gwildor> eat for a week
[4:06] <DaQatz> Not how I make it.
[4:06] <Gwildor> i put...atleast salt in the chicken water.
[4:07] <DaQatz> Lol
[4:07] <Gwildor> with the chicken
[4:07] <uriah> tomorrow!!!!
[4:07] <uriah> it HAS to be tomorrow :(((
[4:07] <Gwildor> how u make it ?
[4:07] <Gwildor> are we that close ?
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[4:09] <DaQatz> I tend to roast the chicken.(It's wells seaoned) I cook the rice with just salted water and butter. I then pour a small amount of seasoned chicken broth on the rice.
[4:09] <Gwildor> ahh, that would work too..
[4:10] <ctyler> /topic Geeks in the kitchen
[4:10] <Gwildor> though, if i made chicken that way, id leave it virgin, and just make side dishes.
[4:10] <Gwildor> mine is mixed, like a gumbo or somet
[4:10] <Gwildor> not, 'chicken over the top'
[4:11] <DaQatz> Using seasoning's the right you can simply enhance the "chicken" flavour.
[4:11] <Gwildor> seasonings = stolen red robin fry spice :P
[4:11] <Gwildor> sorry, chips
[4:11] <DaQatz> >.>
[4:11] <Gwildor> 'seasoning salt' is about the only thing i can use right
[4:11] <DaQatz> Oi
[4:12] <Gwildor> everything else is to much or 'i thought i added xxx'
[4:12] <Gwildor> ooh, i like celery salt too
[4:12] <UnderSampled> Gwildor: I sued to call it sneasing solt :P
[4:12] <Gwildor> lol
[4:12] <UnderSampled> *sneezing
[4:13] <Gwildor> I CAN READ!
[4:13] <Gwildor> :P
[4:13] <UnderSampled> well, I can't spell
[4:13] <Gwildor> mavis beacon
[4:13] <Gwildor> im sure you can spell, its your typing that lacks :P
[4:13] <DaQatz> I do not claim to be able to spell.
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[4:13] <UnderSampled> mavis bacon
[4:13] <UnderSampled> :P\
[4:14] <Gwildor> but spellcheck can :P
[4:14] <UnderSampled> I used to call it sneezing salt
[4:14] <DaQatz> Or to use grammar in a cogent fashion.
[4:14] <Gwildor> grammer is a big hill
[4:14] <Gwildor> grammar/grammer coin toss, lets ask the brits
[4:14] <UnderSampled> there, I typed it
[4:14] * Gwildor dances
[4:15] * UnderSampled bets on grammar
[4:15] * UnderSampled spins the roulette wheel
[4:15] * DaQatz bets on grandma
[4:15] <UnderSampled> lol
[4:15] <Gwildor> HA
[4:16] <UnderSampled> 24, red
[4:16] <DaQatz> Damn no wheres near grammar grammer or grandma
[4:16] <UnderSampled> what's 24 in ascii?
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> A control char
[4:17] <DaQatz> $
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[4:17] <SpeedEvil> all under 32 are control chars
[4:17] <UnderSampled> SpeedEvil: is that decimal, or hex?
[4:17] <DaQatz> Aka cancel
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> decimal
[4:18] <Gwildor> convert 24 to hex = 18
[4:18] <Gwildor> oops...
[4:18] <EiNSTeiN_> UnderSampled: 0x24
[4:18] <UnderSampled> Shhh
[4:18] <EiNSTeiN_> oh ascii. sorry I thought hex
[4:18] <EiNSTeiN_> too tired for jokes
[4:19] <UnderSampled> ox24 is 36
[4:19] <UnderSampled> *0x24
[4:19] <UnderSampled> is a dollar sign: $
[4:20] <UnderSampled> does that mean the jackpot? :P
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[4:26] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd:
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[4:26] <Gwildor> http://www.datamation.com/data-center/is-a-35-pc-the-future-of-computing-1.html
[4:26] <AnotherBot> Is a $35 PC the Future of Computing? - Datamation
[4:27] <Gwildor> yeah, uhh, url-parse-bot
[4:28] <MystX> yaaay
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[4:29] <_inc> MystX: did you use a framework?
[4:30] <MystX> twisted
[4:30] <MystX> gtg, be back in 30 mins or so
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[4:30] <Gwildor> hardly warrents leaving the chan
[4:30] <Gwildor> warrants
[4:30] <Gwildor> MAVIS!
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[5:03] <zabomber> Gwildor come clean my room
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[5:04] <ctyler> oh humbug, my laptop just started making weird sounds. Fortunately weird fan sounds, I think, not weird drive sounds. Ugggg...
[5:04] <Gwildor> ok
[5:04] <Gwildor> its clean
[5:06] <DaQatz> Often I would rather loose the laptop then the data.
[5:06] <DaQatz> So weird fans sounds are worse then weird drive sounds
[5:06] <Gwildor> LOOSE DATA
[5:06] <DaQatz> It rattles about some.
[5:06] <DaQatz> When you hsake the drive.
[5:07] <DaQatz> Thems my files you hear
[5:07] <slaeshjag> losing data is no fun :|
[5:07] <ctyler> Need to switch to ARM laptop with SSD and get rid of all these moving pieces.
[5:08] <LiENUS> ctyler, so you want a pi in laptop form factor
[5:08] * slaeshjag relatively recently avoided a disaster with *very* narrowly
[5:08] <slaeshjag> My drive started clicking
[5:08] <ctyler> eww
[5:08] <LiENUS> a model A with 512mb or more ram would make a nice laptop
[5:08] <slaeshjag> In panic, inserted a drive I had laying around in my hot-swap rack and started copying /home
[5:08] <ctyler> yeah, ++ram
[5:09] <slaeshjag> With around 200 MB left to copy, the drive died completely
[5:09] <ctyler> slaeshjag: who run the race, your cp or the drive gremlins?
[5:09] <ctyler> oh.
[5:09] <ctyler> hopefully not-too-essential 200M
[5:09] <ctyler> s/run/won/
[5:09] <slaeshjag> nah, it was my local copies of my git repos
[5:10] <slaeshjag> Which I have on several other boxes as well
[5:10] <LiENUS> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ not a bad idea to run
[5:10] <AnotherBot> allwinner a10
[5:11] <ctyler> yeah, the A10's interesting but I'm not convinced they'll pull it off
[5:12] <LiENUS> it has a slot for ram instead of pop which is nice
[5:13] <LiENUS> but from what i can tell its not a complete machine like a raspi is
[5:13] <ctyler> but maxes at 1G, and there are 1G POPs
[5:14] <LiENUS> yeah but whats a 1G POP compare pricewise to a 1G DDR3 dimm
[5:14] <LiENUS> brb rebooting mah routah
[5:14] <LiENUS> err wait i gotta upgrade other as well
[5:15] <Gwildor> dont do it
[5:15] <Gwildor> credit cards will go down
[5:15] <LiENUS> lolwut
[5:16] <LiENUS> ttfn
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[5:18] <MystX> Ive never had chocolate dipped bacon..
[5:19] <DaQatz> Fiend
[5:19] <DaQatz> Got get a pig, and drown it in melted chocolate now!
[5:20] <MystX> Uh, yes sir
[5:20] <ukscone> pity all the people in the uk are asleep
[5:20] <ukscone> i have ambrosia creamed rice with a drizzle of ribena in it -- yum
[5:21] <MystX> Sounds good
[5:21] <ukscone> and they'd be jealous
[5:21] <MystX> Why aren't you asleep?
[5:21] <ukscone> because it's only 11:20pm
[5:21] <MystX> Oh. Figured you were in the UK
[5:21] <ukscone> and can't take my meds until i finish thee rice pudding
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[5:22] <MystX> lol
[5:22] <LiENUS> whee nwew firmwares
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> ukscone - I'm not
[5:28] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: you are the exception that proves the rle then
[5:30] * SpeedEvil hits ukscone with a cube of marmite.
[5:30] <ukscone> marmite comes in cubes now?
[5:31] <ukscone> used to be only bovril and oxo that came in cubes
[5:31] <DaQatz> It's basically beer yeast dregs.
[5:31] <LiENUS> wtflol you can download cars on tpb
[5:31] <DaQatz> So easy to make into cubes
[5:31] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: bet you don't like eating the chivers jelly cubes straight from the box either do you
[5:32] <SpeedEvil> ukscone: It does if you freeze it in ice-cube trays.
[5:33] <MystX> lol
[5:33] <MystX> mmm marmite cubes in whiskey
[5:34] <DaQatz> Don't ruin my whiskey that way.
[5:34] <DaQatz> Just whiskey, no ice thank you.
[5:34] <LiENUS> ima just download a raspi and print it
[5:34] <DaQatz> You wouldn't dowload a pi.
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[5:35] <LiENUS> why yes... yes i would
[5:35] <LiENUS> someday maybe such a thing will be feasable
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[5:36] <LiENUS> print out the board with most of the traces then just solder on the connectors and cpu (probably have to have the cpu on its own board to make soldering it on feasable
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[5:37] <ctyler> LiENUS: why stop at printing the boards? load up an inkjet with semiconductor, conductor, and dielectric inks and print onto plastic sheets, and print up the whole circuit. Who cares if the CPU takes a whole A4 sheet? Clip-on connectors for the edge.
[5:38] <LiENUS> ctyler, well thats what i meant print out the board as in the bare circuit board with the circuits layed out
[5:38] <DaQatz> Find me a room temp super conductor pls
[5:38] <DaQatz> I would really like one
[5:39] <LiENUS> ctyler, nah with 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 dpi print out the cpu too :P
[5:39] <ctyler> I'd settle for room temp-printable semiconductor
[5:39] <LiENUS> err dpi^3?
[5:39] <LiENUS> vpic
[5:39] <LiENUS> voxels per inch cubed?
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[5:39] <ctyler> yeah, I mean print out the CPU too. it won't be 45nm but whocares?
[5:39] <LiENUS> well with 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 vpic it could be :P
[5:40] <LiENUS> room temp printable semiconductor is easy
[5:40] <LiENUS> salt water
[5:40] <LiENUS> it just wont stay a semiconductor very long
[5:40] <DaQatz> I would also like a printer that print a smiley face on an electron.
[5:41] <LiENUS> actually
[5:41] <LiENUS> arent cpu's printed as is?
[5:41] <ctyler> etched
[5:41] <LiENUS> dont they use fancy lithography techniques or have they moved onto something else?
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[5:53] <MystX> Hey sightlight
[5:53] <sightlight> hello
[5:53] <sightlight> im cecking here some stuff about opengl
[5:53] <sightlight> checking*
[5:53] <LiENUS> will the raspi do directx 10?
[5:54] <sightlight> no
[5:54] <MystX> =(
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> Saltwater is not a semiconductor.
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> A semiconductor is not merely a bad conductor.
[5:54] <Tobias|> But then how will it run battlefield 3, sightlight? D:
[5:55] <sightlight> i never wanted to run that game.
[5:56] <LiENUS> SpeedEvil, well whats missing from saltwater as a semiconductor?
[5:56] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor
[5:56] <AnotherBot> Semiconductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> Doping, basically
[5:58] <LiENUS> ... you can dope saltwater
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[5:58] <sightlight> pythong good tutorials? Can smeone help me get python? Using Ubuntu 11.04.
[5:58] <LiENUS> or rather
[5:59] <Tobias|> pythong
[5:59] <LiENUS> saltwater is doped water more or less
[5:59] <Tobias|> If you're on ubuntu you already have python installed
[5:59] <LiENUS> you're just starting with an insulator instead of a semiconductor
[6:00] <sightlight> how do i compile for python?
[6:00] <Tobias|> Python files will be compiled when you run them
[6:01] <sightlight> so I just python python language
[6:01] <Tobias|> yes, you python python language.
[6:02] <sightlight> oh
[6:02] <sightlight> i just need to write the python code and I run it?
[6:02] <Tobias|> Yes
[6:02] <Tobias|> python mypythonfile.py
[6:03] <sightlight> is there a GUI for python?
[6:03] <TheLegace> i was looking at the GPU if you could call it that
[6:03] <TheLegace> is it just a video encoder/decoder?
[6:03] <Tobias|> IDLE comes bundled with python, sightlight
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[6:04] <TheLegace> whoops
[6:04] <TheLegace> use ctrl-w with caution
[6:04] <sightlight> how do I access it
[6:05] <Tobias|> I tend to hit ctrl+w an awful lot
[6:05] <sightlight> the IDLE
[6:05] <Tobias|> I don't know, sightlight
[6:06] <TheLegace> sightlight, google is your best friend
[6:07] <TheLegace> so the broadcom videocode
[6:07] <TheLegace> videocore since it can do OpenGL i guess its full gpu
[6:07] <TheLegace> capabilities
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[6:24] <TheLegace> i hope i didnt say anything wrong
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[6:59] <bbeattie> Does anyone know if the gert board will support back emf for load sensing?
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[7:19] <MystX> Not sure =\
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[7:51] <MystX> Man, Chris Angel is an idiot
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[8:09] <tntexplosivesltd> oh yes
[8:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate him
[8:10] <MystX> lol
[8:11] <MystX> Did a jacket escape
[8:11] <MystX> didnt put the sleeves in the right place
[8:11] <tntexplosivesltd> so he got stuck?
[8:12] <MystX> No, it meant he could just slip one arm over his head right away
[8:12] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
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[8:12] <tntexplosivesltd> what a fuckwit
[8:12] <MystX> yup
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[8:13] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, sightlight was here earlier
[8:14] <tntexplosivesltd> oh wow
[8:14] <MystX> lol
[8:14] <tntexplosivesltd> um... wow
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[8:15] <MystX> loool
[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: ping
[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> bye bye
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[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I win
[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> predicted the future
[8:20] <tntexplosivesltd> 10 points
[8:21] <TLF82> hmmm, i feel that i missed the fun
[8:21] <tntexplosivesltd> what fun?
[8:22] <tntexplosivesltd> we aren't allowed to have fun
[8:22] <tntexplosivesltd> the pi isn't out yet
[8:23] <TLF82> seems you ran someone off haha. yes, sadly you are correct, i have a bad itch only it can scratch.
[8:23] <tntexplosivesltd> nah, mystx's internet is probably didgy
[8:23] <tntexplosivesltd> * dodgy
[8:24] <TLF82> for now i have to get my fix by running a linux virtual box. ah ok
[8:25] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmm
[8:25] <tntexplosivesltd> why linux virtual box?
[8:26] <TLF82> i am going to put it on a "old" laptop I have. but for now its what I did not passify myself on my mac book.
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[8:26] <TLF82> and to try some different distros
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> a mate of mine put ubuntu onto his macbook
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[8:26] <TLF82> heh nice
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> cleanse the mac with fire
[8:27] <TLF82> HAHA, i have not used linux and years but im really enjoying using it. looking forward to getting deeper into it.
[8:27] <tntexplosivesltd> what distros are you looking at?
[8:28] <TLF82> so far i have played with fedora and right now running debian.
[8:28] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[8:28] <TLF82> trying to decide what the pi(s) are going to get.
[8:29] <tntexplosivesltd> arch XD
[8:29] <TLF82> ill have to check it out too
[8:29] <tntexplosivesltd> it's more barebones
[8:29] <TLF82> ah, ok
[8:29] <tntexplosivesltd> so you choose what to install
[8:29] <TLF82> i like that. that is what i did with this install of debian
[8:29] <tntexplosivesltd> good for small memory/space requirements
[8:31] <TLF82> im anxious to get the pi and see what all it can do. have a few things id like to play with
[8:32] <tntexplosivesltd> heh we all do XD
[8:33] <TLF82> no doubt haha
[8:37] <MystX> Color codes dot work on freenode =(
[8:37] <MystX> dont*
[8:37] <MystX> DO THE?
[8:37] <MystX> yes they do
[8:37] <MystX> wtf
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> this is colour stripped
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> +cnt
[8:38] <MystX> wat
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> c = strip colour codes
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> this chan
[8:38] <MystX> oh
[8:38] <MystX> well that's silly
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> meh
[8:38] <tntexplosivesltd> less colour spam
[8:39] <tntexplosivesltd> but colour is useful
[8:39] <MystX> Mean. Modbot almost works
[8:40] <TLF82> its usefull untill someone goes color happy
[8:52] <tntexplosivesltd> gah, error establishing db connection
[8:52] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone must be waking up and checking the r-pi site
[8:52] <jardiamj> tntexplosivesltd, that's exactly what I'm doing
[8:53] <tntexplosivesltd> told you XD
[8:53] <tntexplosivesltd> yay there we go
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[9:04] <cornet> someone should prolly look at sticking varnish in front of the site
[9:04] <tntexplosivesltd> what?
[9:05] <cornet> https://www.varnish-cache.org/
[9:05] <AnotherBot> Front page | Varnish Community
[9:05] <tntexplosivesltd> that's caching pages though
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> the forum makes a new query each time
[9:06] <cornet> yes...
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> otherwise pages are out of date
[9:06] <cornet> oh sorry i thought it was for the main site
[9:06] <cornet> not the forums
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> the site still uses a database
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> (wordpress)
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[9:06] <cornet> yes it will
[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> but no, I most often get that error when looking at the forum
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[9:07] <tntexplosivesltd> yay nick chanhe spam
[9:07] <tntexplosivesltd> * change
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[10:01] <Iota> Huzzar, I found the raspberry pi channel.
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[10:01] <Iota> Forum search takes 4 characters minimum. :(
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> good news, everyone!
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah that's annoying
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> it also sucks arse
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> like, bigtime
[10:02] <tntexplosivesltd> don't even try to view it on a mobile browser
[10:02] <Iota> Heh.
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[10:03] <Iota> Anyway, I have to get going now. Nice to meet you, tntexplosivesltd.
[10:04] <tntexplosivesltd> same to you
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[10:32] <MystX> Fuu
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[10:35] <MystX> There
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[10:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:40] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Wed Jan 25 08:50:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 76%, Later 11??C - 3??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:40] * RaTTuS|BIG wonders what all teh other bots do and can we have a amnasty on them ...
[10:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> !hump
[10:41] <Kostic> !w
[10:41] <Kostic> It seems that PiBot doesn't like me... :(
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> Kostic: use the help
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> pm it
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:42] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 16??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 21??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:43] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Wellington, Wellington. Temp 16??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 21??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:44] <tntexplosivesltd> crap, how do i set the location...
[10:45] <Kostic> I think that !weather_set
[10:45] <Kostic> should do it
[10:45] <Kostic> But can't figure out the locations
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> there we go
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:45] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 16??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 23??C - 12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> better
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> so !weather_set loc <location>
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather forecase
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather forecast
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecase
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecas
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecat
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecast
[10:46] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:46] <Kostic> !w
[10:46] <PiBot> Kostic: in Belgrade, Central Serbia. Temp 32??F. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 87%, Later 37??F - 28??F. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:47] <Kostic> Where to set celsius scale instead of F?
[10:47] <TLF82> !weather_set loc texas
[10:47] <PiBot> TLF82: Your location has been set to texas.
[10:47] <Kostic> !weather_set scale C
[10:47] <Kostic> no
[10:47] <TLF82> !w
[10:47] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:47] <R`> !weather_set stockholm
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set c
[10:47] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: You're now using celsius.
[10:47] <R`> !weather_set loc stockholm
[10:47] <PiBot> R`: Your location has been set to stockholm.
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Kostic: ^^
[10:48] <R`> !w
[10:48] <PiBot> R`: in stockholm. Temp 25??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 86%, Later 32??F - 27??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> that is frigging cold
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> does sweden use celsius?
[10:48] <R`> yes
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set c
[10:48] <Kostic> Europeans use celsius.
[10:48] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: You're now using celsius.
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> gogo
[10:48] <R`> and we actually have a pretty warm winter this year
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> Kostic: I know XD
[10:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh
[10:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-raspberry-pi
[10:49] <Kostic> !w
[10:49] <PiBot> Kostic: in Smederevo, Central Serbia. Temp 0??C. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 87%, Later 2??C - -2??C. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[10:49] <TLF82> !w
[10:49] <PiBot> TLF82: in Lubbock, TX on Wed Jan 25 09:07:00 2012. Temp 39??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 81%, Later 49??F - 31??F. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[10:50] <TLF82> guess it does like us americans haha
[10:50] <R`> !weather_set c
[10:50] <PiBot> R`: You're now using celsius.
[10:50] <R`> !w
[10:50] <PiBot> R`: in stockholm. Temp -4??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 86%, Later 0??C - -2??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:52] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 16??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 23??C - 12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmm it's hot
[10:53] <TLF82> 16c makes for a nice day
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> it's 11pm here
[10:54] <TLF82> ill be wanting that here in a few months when its 100+f here
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> so it makes for a damn hot evening
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> TLF82: that makes no sense to me
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> use proper units
[10:54] <TLF82> its almost 4am here... HA!
[10:54] <ahven> !
[10:54] <ahven> !w
[10:54] <PiBot> ahven: in kuressaare. Temp -7??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later -2??C - -3??C. Condition: Cloudy.
[10:54] <TLF82> i can't help it that we have to be different. :)
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> wow
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> TLF82: you don't have to be =)
[10:55] <TLF82> fair enough haha
[10:55] <ahven> hmm, 3 degrees difference to the real number :P
[10:56] <TLF82> !w
[10:56] <PiBot> TLF82: in Lubbock, TX on Wed Jan 25 09:07:00 2012. Temp 4??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 81%, Later 9??C - 0??C. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[10:56] <TLF82> there ya go
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> so 100??F is like 25??C ?
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> hang on
[10:58] <TLF82> around 37c
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time =D
[10:59] <TLF82> thank god for A/C! haha
[10:59] <TLF82> i should do the same...
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[12:11] <Thorn_> is it out yet
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[13:47] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[13:47] <IT_Sean> Goooood morning
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[14:16] <IT_Sean> well.... this is worrying
[14:17] <IT_Sean> the harddrive in my laptop is making noise again
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[14:37] * IT_Sean looks around
[14:39] <koaschten> pretty silent in here eeh?
[14:40] <haltdef> you ruined it
[14:40] <haltdef> also, why do you still have a hard drive in your laptop
[14:40] <haltdef> :(
[14:40] <piofcube> everyone's busy placing their orders.
[14:40] <koaschten> wait what?
[14:40] <piofcube> :P
[14:40] <koaschten> I HATE YOU
[14:40] <koaschten> :&
[14:40] <rm> shhh you aren't supposed to mention that publicly!
[14:41] <IT_Sean> haltdef: um... so that I have something to boot from? :p
[14:41] <piofcube> It's okay... I covered it up by pretending it was a joke.
[14:41] <haltdef> there are better things to boot from
[14:41] <chris_99> such as?
[14:41] <haltdef> SSD!
[14:42] <chris_99> thats still called a harddrive no?
[14:42] <haltdef> nope
[14:42] <IT_Sean> No SATA on this, and PATA SSDs are slower than frozen arse.
[14:42] <haltdef> haha
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[14:42] <haltdef> yea, the 1.8" ZIF in my UMPC is prtety terrible
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[14:42] <haltdef> just a bit quicker than a 3.5" 7200rpm for randoms, I don't want to talk about sequential
[14:43] <IT_Sean> Besdies... this laptop is 9 years old. An SSD, even if this did have SATA, is more than i would want to spend on a 9 year old laptop.
[14:43] <piofcube> haltdef: Just make sure your "drive" is fragmented then LOL
[14:43] <haltdef> wat
[14:44] <piofcube> less sequential reads ;-)
[14:44] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[14:44] * piofcube watches IT_Seans eyes roll off the edge of the screen.
[14:45] * IT_Sean retrieves his eyes, plonks them into a glass of water, swirls them around, then pops them back into his head
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[14:47] * IT_Sean submits his raspi order
[14:48] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:48] <chris_99> will it come out by the end of this week i wonder
[14:48] <Kolin> you bastard :P
[14:48] <UukGoblin> IT_Sean, order? you can order? WHERE?
[14:49] <IT_Sean> HAHAHAAHA!
[14:49] <chris_99> lol
[14:49] <IT_Sean> game, set, and match.
[14:49] <IT_Sean> chris_99: i doubt it. But, within the next couple of weeks.
[14:49] <IT_Sean> With my luck, it'll come out while i am out of town.
[14:49] <IT_Sean> :/
[14:49] <chris_99> oh, i thought it was supposed to be out by the end of jan
[14:50] <koaschten> Eben mentioned on twitter last night, when the pre-order thingy cam up, that it would another "few weeks"
[14:50] <IT_Sean> I think that was sort of the plan
[14:50] <UukGoblin> plan is important
[14:50] <UukGoblin> without a plan, how would we know that we failed?
[14:50] <IT_Sean> But, looking at the timeframe for getting stuff back from the factory, i'm betting on another couple of weeks
[14:51] <IT_Sean> I think the end of Jan estimate was based on having them made in the UK.
[14:51] <chris_99> i didn't think it was
[14:51] <IT_Sean> Either way...
[14:51] <IT_Sean> looking at the timeframe for getting stuff back from the factory, i'm betting on another couple of weeks
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[14:51] <chris_99> i reckon they're already on their way, maybe i'm too optimistic ;)
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[14:53] <koaschten> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/161860329150746625
[14:54] <chris_99> oh bugger :'(
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[14:55] <IT_Sean> well, there you go
[14:55] <koaschten> i need a rasppi to write a notifier to mail me instantly the rasppi goes online in the store.... damn... chicken ... egg....
[14:55] <koaschten> ,)
[14:55] <IT_Sean> And even once they are in, they need to check to make sure whu flung dung didn't solder anything on the wrong way 'round
[14:56] <IT_Sean> koaschten: it's called a mailing list. join it.
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[14:56] <koaschten> erhm IT_Sean isn't that what all that optical error detection equip is for? shouldn't have need for human checkup
[14:58] <IT_Sean> Kolin: I work for a device manufacturer. I've SEEN it happen. We got a load of baords in recently, and half of them had the RAM chips backwards.
[14:58] <IT_Sean> whoops, koaschten, rather.
[14:58] <chris_99> yay, i just got a spiffy new soldering iron
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[14:58] <IT_Sean> (needless to say, we don't get boards made there any longer)
[14:58] <koaschten> IT_Sean augh
[14:59] <IT_Sean> yeah... backwards RAM chips. lots of blue smoke.
[14:59] <IT_Sean> So, optical chip checking my arse... they can still make mistakes.
[14:59] <koaschten> yeah ok, if the chips don't have a notch to check by.... thats bad
[15:00] <IT_Sean> What happened is that the chip mfgr switched to laser etching the alignment mark, and it was really hard to see. So... i guess the camera couldn't see it well enough.
[15:01] <IT_Sean> either way, even with optical checks, mistakes can sneak through.
[15:02] <IT_Sean> So, it would be massivly irrisponsible for the foundation to not check that things were built properly. Esp as this is the first batch of a new board.
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[15:02] <koaschten> manually checking 10k boards...
[15:02] * koaschten rips eyes from skull.
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[15:05] <Dagger3> you don't have to check all 10k. if your problem affects 50% of boards, you only have to check 7 to notice the problem with 99% probability
[15:05] <IT_Sean> koaschten: i don't know what the foundations plans are, testing wise, but, at the minimum, there will be spot checks.
[15:06] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:06] <koaschten> yeag
[15:06] <koaschten> -g
[15:06] <IT_Sean> So, you check about 10 or 15, and if you don't see any issues, you call it good & ship.
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[15:08] <chris_99> i guess the manufacturers also have testing in place
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[15:09] <IT_Sean> chris_99: mfgr testing is usually more along the lines of checking continuity and such. i.e. checing to see that pin 87Q connects to pin 21B, but not to pin 34F, etc...
[15:10] <chris_99> aha yeah
[15:10] <koaschten> We have on of those push down needle testers
[15:10] <koaschten> fun to play with
[15:11] <gobby> I have an interesting idea but my lack of knowledge when it comes to electronics is frustrating... Can data transfer be made over the GPIO on the Raspi? If so at what sort of rate? I was thinking that if possible it would be an interesting project to attempt to build a PSTN FXO/FXS daughter board for the Raspi that could then turn it into a PBX with some assistance from Asterisk
[15:11] <victhor> it is possible, but will be rather slow
[15:11] <victhor> fast rates require lots of CPU time
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[15:12] <gobby> ah I guess a USB FXO interface would be more efficient if slightly less graceful
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[15:15] <jzu> don't forget USB and Ethernet are actually sharing the same port, which may limit bandwidth when using both
[15:17] <rm> voice is low bandwidth network-wise
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[15:17] <rm> typically 64kbits for example
[15:17] <jzu> yes
[15:18] <koaschten> wait, ethernet on the pi is usb connected? or what are you implying jzu?
[15:18] <gobby> yeah I was also figuring G.711 was a more sensible choice than G.729 as what you'd gain in bandwidth you'd loose in CPU time doing the compression
[15:18] <jzu> koaschten: no, they're sharing the same port on the SoC
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[15:19] <IT_Sean> jzu: both USB ports?
[15:19] <victhor> interestingly enough the SoC has a dedicated hardware for decoding audio/video. Problem is whether they will provide libraries and drivers to support it
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[15:19] <jzu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/model-b-io-speed-usb-and-ethernet-share-the-same-bandwidth
[15:19] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[15:19] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> YES!!!!!!
[15:28] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @elburger No, but they do sell us chips in smaller numbers than they would otherwise. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162179761702043648
[15:28] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @rmwebs We're changing hosts this week and getting more bandwidth, so you don't need to be fed up much longer. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162179863623639041
[15:30] <ahven> and db connection error on the loose, again
[15:30] <koaschten> anyone here ever happened to tamper with a belkin usb network hub? ( F5L009ea )
[15:30] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: RT @daviddarts: Raspberry Pi GPU beats Tegra 2, doubles iPhone 4S performance http://t.co/E2FG6XmU - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162180243048771585
[15:30] <victhor> The amount of users connected! It's too much
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[15:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> !hump
[15:36] <RaTTuS> !hump
[15:36] * RaTTuS|BIG Humps PaulW_cdot
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[15:38] <SpeedEvil> 'getting more bandwidth, so you don't need to be fed up much longer.' Because I, for one, find slow servers much more annoying than no product. :)
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[15:45] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @LiamActon Because the fine-pitch BGA soldering can't be done by humans. It's why we use robots. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162183991313702912
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[15:45] <haltdef> good lord
[15:46] <haltdef> another bloody bot
[15:46] <feep> never ends
[15:46] <feep> never ever ends
[15:46] <haltdef> ops need to start restricting them :P
[15:46] <_inc> i think this one is cool
[15:46] <feep> it's not even released yet and we're already full of pointless spam
[15:46] <feep> I worry.
[15:47] <haltdef> yes
[15:47] <ReggieUK> kill the bots
[15:47] <haltdef> all of them
[15:47] <ReggieUK> except pibot
[15:47] <feep> except answerbot
[15:47] <feep> because he's nice and doesn't spam unasked
[15:47] <haltdef> :|
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> I personally have soldered to BGAs.
[15:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah unless bot can be shown to be human
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> They are annoying to dead-bug, but quite possible.
[15:47] <_inc> what the hell does PiBot actually do?
[15:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[15:47] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Wed Jan 25 14:20:00 2012. Temp 12??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 11??C - 3??C. Condition: Fog.
[15:48] <haltdef> tells people off for asking when it's out
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> And soldering BGAs onto PCBs is quite doable at home in improvised equipment.
[15:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> yarg
[15:48] <_inc> !w
[15:48] <PiBot> _inc: in stockholm. Temp 25??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 32??F - 28??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[15:48] <feep> oh and answerbot is down because, apparently, my qemu network connection died
[15:48] <_inc> PiBot is broken
[15:48] <haltdef> qemu? :o
[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> why is it broken?
[15:49] <feep> I was running it on arm
[15:49] <feep> meh
[15:49] <_inc> I am not from stockholm
[15:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> _inc well tell it where youo are then ?
[15:50] <_inc> I've got a window to look outside of, this is how I know the weather :)
[15:51] <_inc> sometimes I even go outside and experience it too :)
[15:51] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @mrsuv Thank you - we're very grateful! - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162185581797965824
[15:51] <jzu> _inc: heh, you're a real warrior then
[15:51] <jzu> !w
[15:51] <PiBot> jzu: in stockholm. Temp 25??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 32??F - 28??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[15:52] <jzu> hmmm.
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[15:56] <R`> jzu where?
[15:56] <R`> !w
[15:56] <PiBot> R`: in stockholm. Temp -4??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 0??C - -2??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[15:56] <jzu> paris
[15:56] <IT_Sean> !w
[15:56] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Wed Jan 25 17:53:00 2012. Temp 37??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 59%, Later 40??F - 27??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:56] <IT_Sean> overcast my arse... it's sunny!
[15:56] <R`> then why does it say stockholm for you?
[15:56] <hamitron> !w york uk
[15:56] <PiBot> hamitron: in York, York on Wed Jan 25 13:50:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 52??F - 39??F. Condition: Fog.
[15:57] <_inc> PiBot is broken. Evict PiBot
[15:57] <jzu> !w paris fr
[15:57] <PiBot> jzu: in Paris, ??le-de-France. Temp 52??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 88%, Later 54??F - 45??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:57] <R`> aha
[15:57] <R`> i broke it!
[15:57] <R`> mohaha
[15:57] <R`> <- stockholm
[15:57] <R`> :D
[15:57] <hamitron> sounds about right tbh
[15:57] <hamitron> :)
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[15:58] <_inc> !w Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, wales
[15:58] <PiBot> _inc: in Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Isle of Anglesey on Wed Jan 25 13:50:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 52??F - 39??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:59] <hamitron> :|
[15:59] <haltdef> llanbobl
[15:59] <_inc> well I am very disapointed in that string limit
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[15:59] <hamitron> what you expect? 256?
[15:59] <R`> !w hulabandula
[15:59] <PiBot> Not found.
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> and it's not on the Isle either =- close but no cigar
[16:00] <IT_Sean> _inc: try a postcode instead
[16:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w SY21 0SF
[16:00] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in SY21 0SF on Wed Jan 25 14:20:00 2012. Temp 12??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 11??C - 2??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[16:01] <_inc> !w LL61 5UJ
[16:01] <PiBot> _inc: in LL61 5UJ on Wed Jan 25 13:50:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 52??F - 39??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[16:01] <hamitron> it is starting to dry around here
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[16:01] <hamitron> chilly though :/
[16:01] <jzu> Llanfairpwllgwyngyll was the village's traditional name, the long version was a marketing plot
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[16:39] -mquin- [Global Notice] We are experiencing some connectivity problems, please bear with us while we investigate (and run around with duct tape)
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[16:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[16:48] * ukscone *yawn* is it bed time yet?
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Closing on 4PM here.
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> So probably not.
[16:51] <hamitron> no more pibot
[16:51] <hamitron> :)
[16:52] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: nah 4pm sounds liek a good time to have a quick cat nap
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[16:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> wb guys
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[16:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> wb other guys
[16:55] <PiBot> Thorn_| <Thorn_> omg its november in 9.5hrs is it out yet??
[16:55] <PiBot> DaQatz| <dragonbot> daqatz: I don't trust you. >_> <DaQatz> dragonbot, I have a nice van with no windows, and plenty of candy.
[16:55] <PiBot> ukscone| <ukscone> SIMULATE alien abduction by scrolling out from your location on Google Streetview with a finger up your bum. lol
[16:55] <PiBot> IT_Sean| As long as the invisible man didn't leave invisible skidmarks on the photocopier, i don't really care.
[16:55] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne| well we're running out of corners and the stoopid people corner is mine! >=/
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Can someone shoot that bot?
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[16:56] <hamitron> should really disable the comments on users entering the room
[16:57] <hotwings> you can always just /ignore if it gets too annoying
[16:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> only really spammy on netsplits ..... and now we have lots of peoples in the channel
[16:58] <haltdef> none of the bots are particularly useful tbh
[16:58] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:58] <DaQatz> PiBot is primarily for logs.
[16:58] <IT_Sean> also... how do you ignore the comesintas and goesoutas? I forget the /ignore command for that
[16:58] <DaQatz> Which it is useful for.
[16:58] <DaQatz> The rest it does is just extras
[16:59] <WASDx> i thought it was the other way around
[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> IT_Sean - it depends on your client
[17:01] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[17:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> what are you using?
[17:01] <IT_Sean> irssi
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> then ,,,, "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
[17:02] <IT_Sean> Awesome
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[17:03] <IT_Sean> that worked, thanks.
[17:03] <IT_Sean> :)
[17:03] * RaTTuS|BIG dances
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[17:16] <WASDx> RaTTuS|BIG: /act all
[17:16] <WASDx> woops sorry
[17:17] <WASDx> was gonna do a irssi command and had apparently pressed tab first
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p S'OK
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[17:40] <arktos> hi
[17:40] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[17:41] <arktos> can i measure the input voltage with a raspberrypi so i know when to change batteries?
[17:41] <zer0her0> oh hai
[17:41] <IT_Sean> You will need additional circuitry, and the soffware of course, but you should be able to do so via the GPIO
[17:43] <zer0her0> arktos, that's weird i was just thinking of that this morning on the way into work.
[17:43] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:44] <jzu> but there's no analog input, so you will have to make do with a discrete level, maybe when it's too late
[17:44] <arktos> zer0her0: :)
[17:44] <IT_Sean> jzu: that's why i said "additional circuitry"
[17:44] <arktos> jzu: or an a/d converter :)
[17:44] <jzu> I stand corrected
[17:44] <IT_Sean> You will need a circuit to monitor battery level, which can then signal via the GPIO that the batteries need replacing.
[17:45] <jzu> I find this lack of analog input really annoying
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Or, you could just plug the thing into a power supply. :p
[17:45] * arktos requests that feature for the second feature
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> More importantly, you need some mechanism to disconect the Pi totally, so it does not overdischarge the battery, and damage it
[17:45] <arktos> eh.. second version
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[17:46] <IT_Sean> Aye... rechargable batteries do not like being discharged totally.
[17:46] <jzu> a lot of projects will be better off using an Arduino
[17:46] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, tell that to our dumb dumb security staff that turns off digital signage when they turn off the lights even though we've taped over the switch and put a sign on them saying "don't touch"
[17:46] <arktos> do they like being charged every day without being discharged?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> arktos: what!?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Don't over charge them, either.
[17:47] <IT_Sean> zer0her0: why not remove the switch, and just wire it to be always on?
[17:47] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, not allowed to :(
[17:47] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[17:47] <zer0her0> i believe for safety and future use reasons
[17:47] <arktos> IT_Sean: solar cell + batteries as a power source
[17:48] <zer0her0> in case we ever move equipment to another circuit or location
[17:48] <IT_Sean> arktos: you will need a charging circuit, to prevent damaging the batteries, so they don't asplode
[17:48] <IT_Sean> zer0her0: what abotu a key switch?
[17:48] <arktos> hmm ok
[17:48] <jzu> or use a 50ft wire to power the signage from another source?
[17:50] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, hmm doubtful but worth a look. right now i have actual computers w/ an actual UPS running the signage, but that's overkill, so thinking through replacements. though i may not even need a battery backup with RPi?
[17:50] <IT_Sean> the raspi will need a power source to keep working. It doesn't run on unicorn farts and rainbows.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> So will the signs.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> Solar cells blow.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> If you want the device to work 24*7, unless you're in a very sunny place, you need _way_ larger batteries than you migh expect.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> Around $400 at least in parts.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> Including a >150W solar panel.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> why don't you just break the security guys arms, so he cant turn the signs off.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Get managment to inform the security people not to do that.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Problem solved.
[17:52] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, well these are computers w/ OS X and windows running off platter drives, these things don't like sudden shut off in power, i would assume i could hack it so the RPi might better handle a sudden shut off and rebooting, or would UPS/Battery pack still be suggested?
[17:52] <IT_Sean> tell them the next time it is switched off, they will be escorted off the property. arse first. ...from a very high window.
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[17:52] <SpeedEvil> ^That figure is _only_ for a 2.5W constant load.
[17:54] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, this is a museum, we have a dozen or so displays, inevitably one gets turned off at some point, w/o knowing who or when exactly because by the time i come in they're running again
[17:55] <arktos> SpeedEvil: 150W solar panel for 2.5W power consumption?
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> arktos: yes
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> arktos: December has quite low average insolation, you need an extra 50% to cope with the losses going in and out of the battery.
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, this is scotland. If you're somewhere much sunnier...
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=3744&sid=2940 - last 5 weeks or so.
[17:57] * IT_Sean wishes he could "borrow" the solar panel that is on the utility pole outside his house :p
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> The 'low' days are a bit under 1Wh/W
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> So a 150W panel will produce about 120Wh. 80Wh or so once it's gone in and out of the battery
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Which is ~3W constant
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> It is slightly better than this if you optimise the system for low illuminations.
[17:58] <arktos> once the battery is charged, the battery can stay charged and the r-pi can run off the solar panel?
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> The above probably has a fair bit of loss.
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> If and only if the sun is out, yes
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> But most of the time, you're running off battery.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?id=3744&sid=2940&dt=20120124 - Divide that output by 25 to get about the power out from a 150W panel.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> So, it peaks at about 2PM at 10W.
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[18:02] <SpeedEvil> And can run off the solar panel from 10AM-3PM
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> The rest goes into charging the battery. This day, it'd require enough battery to buffer you over from a sunnier day.
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> As it doesn't have enough total.
[18:03] <IT_Sean> TBH, it'd be cheaper to just run it off the grid. Toss a UPS in there for good measure, if needed.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> If you've got grid.
[18:03] <sigtlight> hello
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> If you're facing several kilometers of new power-pole bills, it can work out way cheaper
[18:03] <arktos> hi sigtlight
[18:03] <IT_Sean> Solar panels are good for very low draw, and oppertunistic charging. But, in day to day operations....
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[18:04] <sigtlight> pi not releaset yet
[18:04] <IT_Sean> you'd need a fuckofalot of solar, and a fair lot of batterys to be assured of 99.999% uptime.
[18:04] <arktos> SpeedEvil: if it outputs 10W at noon, then why is it a "150W panel"?
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> They are useful for alternative energy, but you either need to size the panels really carefully, have adequate batteries, or combine with generator for the maybe a week per year.
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> arktos: Because it wasn't very sunny yesterday.
[18:05] <IT_Sean> 1the "150W" rating is peak output under ideal circumstances.
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> arktos: In mid summer, it will do ~150W for several hours.
[18:05] <IT_Sean> i.e. full, direct sun, and no bird shit on the panel
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[18:05] <arktos> hmm no good
[18:06] <IT_Sean> You also need to keep the panel clean, and scratch free. A baseball sized bird poo on a 150W panel could more than halve the output, depending on the panel, fo course.
[18:06] <arktos> too bad there isn't grid in the middle of nowhere
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> If there was, it wouldn't be the middle of nowhere.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Some sort of mixed-mode is generally best if you can.
[18:08] <IT_Sean> By definition, the middle of nowhere is nowhere. You can't have something be nowhere. Therefore, if there is something there, it isn't the middle of nowhere.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Even a relatively small wind turbine may help for those dark blustery days, though a low-power genrator may be a better investment
[18:08] <IT_Sean> A small wind turbine, like what you see on a sailing yacht would be a good idea.
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[18:09] <IT_Sean> One of those, plus some batteries, plus a solar panel would be a good combo.
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> It's usually useless in most locations. But at least here, when there are several very dark days, it's usually quite windy
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[18:09] <IT_Sean> Solar + wind might be agood combo. Wind for when it's icky, and solar for when it's not windy.
[18:10] <IT_Sean> and battries, of course.
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> Of course, you need to replace the batteries every 7-10 years.
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[18:10] <IT_Sean> Yes, but, you do need the batteries.
[18:10] <arktos> mind the snow
[18:11] <IT_Sean> The batteries act as a buffer for the whole system. Carrying you through when you aren't generating enough, and storing energy when you generate a surplus.
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Though I am idly looking at magnetic bearing design for flywheels.
[18:12] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, a ton spinning at 10000RPM in vacuum isn't trivial either.
[18:12] <IT_Sean> ...
[18:12] <IT_Sean> allllright... moving on...
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[18:13] <IT_Sean> I wonder how much of a solar panel i'd need to run just a raspi, a USB webcam, and a wifi dongle
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> More likely projects for pi are more muncane - solar energy controller for a thermal-solar system, based on temperature and valces, maybe weather forecast too.
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> See above.
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> If you want it 24*7
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> though it'll vary significantly depending on where you are.
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Just during the day would be fine
[18:14] <IT_Sean> I was thinking about using it to stream video from my bird feeder :p
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> For reasonably sunny days, maybe a little battery backup, somewhere around 30W wouldn't be unreasonable.
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> If you're happy with requiring actual sun for a couple of hours, maybe 15W
[18:15] <IT_Sean> I think i have an idea for a raspi :p
[18:15] <IT_Sean> FEEDERCAM2012! Solar Edition! :p
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> why all this solar panel talk? I am sure you guys have access to the grid.
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> I note now that solar panels are a lot cheaper than they once were.
[18:16] <piofcube> A raspberry-Spy perhaps... remote cameras ;-)
[18:16] <duckinator> hi
[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> </ignorance> but really, why?
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> It can be rather harder to run grid to remote areas of the property, especially if you want to do it legally.
[18:16] <IT_Sean> The thing that's stopped me running a webcam near the feeder up until now has been the lack of a way ot get power to it.
[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> would a car battery or something like that be just as good?
[18:16] <IT_Sean> would need regular refilling with electrons
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Car battery runs it for ~a week
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[18:17] <SpeedEvil> And if you charge it when flat - you get maybe 12-20 weeks life from.
[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> which is plenty, I would think.
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Car batteries do not like being deep cycled.
[18:17] <piofcube> 20 watt solar panels are cheap enough to get hold of
[18:17] <feep> car battery for a week sounds wrong
[18:17] <feep> because that'd mean you could charge a car battery over a week using solar
[18:18] <feep> I always thought car batteries had more than that
[18:18] <feep> might be wrong though
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> feep: 50Ah 12V, 500Wh, 500/2.5 = 200h 200h = ~1 week
[18:18] <feep> point
[18:18] <IT_Sean> car batteries are designed to give you a couple of attempts at starting the engine. that's about it.
[18:18] <feep> SpeedEvil: though, that's 1 week at full cpu load.
[18:19] <feep> (and usb)
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> feep: True
[18:19] <piofcube> I thought a typical car battery was rated at 120Ah?
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: Maybe for you. No car I've ever owned wants 120Ah
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> Or indeed will fit.
[18:20] <piofcube> Sorry, just Googled.. the 120Ah is a commercial car battery
[18:21] <piofcube> -car
[18:21] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:21] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: Slashdotted again, so the site may be slow or down - sorry! Good news is we're moving to a much bigger server later this week. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162223317128978432
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[18:22] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a handy feature
[18:22] <haltdef> not when you have bitlbee feeding you tweets in another window
[18:23] <piofcube> I am really starting to dislike Ubuntu :S
[18:23] <IT_Sean> urf... solar panels too aspensive for a feeder cam. nevermind :p
[18:23] <ShiftPlusOne> piofcube, one step ahead of you... dumped ubuntu completly
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[18:24] <piofcube> IT_Sean: Wouldn't a mobile phone solar charger or two not do the job?
[18:24] <IT_Sean> perhaps
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Those are usually not too expensive
[18:25] <IT_Sean> And they usually have regulated USB-complant ouputs.
[18:25] <piofcube> yeah :-)
[18:25] <piofcube> ShiftPlusOne: I don't blame you... I don't understand their logic these days.
[18:26] * IT_Sean is running Ubuntu, but, an older version. 10.10
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> "Let's ignore all user feedback and make things worse!"
[18:26] <piofcube> I like 10.10 but since 11... no thanks :(
[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/solar-power/
[18:26] <IT_Sean> piofcube: i agree
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[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> 11.10 classic mode .,.,,. is fine
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[18:27] <IT_Sean> besides... 10.10 PPC is the last build that runs properly on my laptop, anyway :p
[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> They're trying to jump on the tablet bandwagon 'early', I guess.
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[18:27] <IT_Sean> Is it really that ealry? We've had tablets be commonplace for the past year or two, haven't we?
[18:28] <DaQatz> Just muted the welcome messages from PiBot in the main channel.
[18:28] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:28] * IT_Sean just ignored AnotherBot
[18:28] <piofcube> But they have the Ubuntu netbook distro... surely they could mess with that and make a tablet version from it instead of doing a M$
[18:28] <DaQatz> They will still display in #raspberrypi-dev and #raspberrypi-bots
[18:29] <IT_Sean> piofcube: I agree. there was nothing wrong with good old Gnome
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, i mean that in the sense that they still kind of suck. Windows 8 is doing a good enough job, I think... but it's still all very... meh. Sure tablets have been around for ages... but they're just starting to almost be useful.
[18:29] * IT_Sean loves his
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> which?
[18:30] <piofcube> I never thought I would ever hear a software company say "If you really want to use a mouse and keyboard, you still can" when referign to a desktop OS.... O_o
[18:30] <IT_Sean> iPad. 1st gen. 16 gig. w/ the optional 3G modem
[18:30] <IT_Sean> bought it the day it came out :p
[18:30] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @dbrgn Too pricey to put onboard, but you could use a SATA to USB2 adapter. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162225661409366016
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> piofcube, lol
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, yeah, should've guessed. Do you just use it for browsing and watching movies and such or do you do anything productive as well?
[18:31] <IT_Sean> No, i do productive stuff with it too!
[18:32] <IT_Sean> I mean, yeah, i do use it for the internet and movies of course, but, i also use it to remote into the office & do work from the road. I write on it. I manage my photos with it.
[18:32] <IT_Sean> etc..
[18:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wouldn't a laptop be better?
[18:32] <IT_Sean> (im a hobbyist photog. A rather good one at that, not to toot my own horn)
[18:33] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: this is more compat, easier to carry, has the 3g connectivity built in, and does everything i ask of it.
[18:33] <IT_Sean> I'm not saying it's perfect for everyone. But, for me, it is.
[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's what I was going to say... to each his own. I don't see it.
[18:34] <IT_Sean> I will be the first ot admit that the iPad, or any other tablet, is NOT perfect for EVERYONE.
[18:34] <Aquilus_> Or indeed, useful at all.
[18:35] <Aquilus_> No more functionality than a phone, except the larger screen.
[18:35] <FireFly> Isn't the lack of an actual physical keyboard quite limiting?
[18:35] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @proinnsias :) We call one of those a Bramble. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162226906438176769
[18:36] <Aquilus_> I do want something like this though. http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/lenovos-ideapad-yoga-convertible-tablet-runs-windows-8-is-set/
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> sorry, on a call
[18:39] <arktos> turbine in stream (water), how about that? should be a more or less constant power supply, no?
[18:43] <Aquilus_> I'm in Norway. I just plug it into the wal to achieve the same effect :p
[18:43] <IT_Sean> to answer whoever's question it was, no, i do not find the lack of a physical keyboard irritating.
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[19:15] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @aSheepie AFAIK, nobody has yet - but I hope someone who buys one of the first ones will try! - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162236921773424642
[19:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Will they let us know exactly when they are available at least a few days in advance, or will they make them available and then send out a tweet, mailing list email, blog post and that's it?
[19:17] <WASDx> i'm wondering that too ShiftPlusOne. I guess everyone are
[19:17] <WASDx> if they tell in advance, people would refresh the webpage when it's about to release
[19:17] <WASDx> and i suspect it will go down
[19:17] <IT_Sean> I'm guessing they will send the alert when they are actually avail.
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought maybe someone who reads the forums might know... maybe liz mentioned it
[19:19] <traeak> ugh twitter blows
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[19:19] <IT_Sean> traeak: only if you ask it nicely
[19:19] <traeak> IT_Sean: you know what i mean, i dislike it...
[19:20] <WASDx> they seem to set optimistic dates rather than realistic
[19:20] <WASDx> i'm guessing february now
[19:20] <koaschten> hey IT_Sean can you give me that Shop link again, want to use the secret pre-order too.
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> WASDx, that's what I've always said... there is not way it was going to be anywhere near november.
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[19:33] <sightlight>
[19:33] <feep>
[19:33] <piofcube>
[19:34] <tntexplosivesltd> morning all
[19:34] <piofcube> lo
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[19:35] <tntexplosivesltd> anything happen yet?
[19:36] <haltdef> sightlight, that's the most sense I've ever heard you make
[19:36] <IT_Sean> traeak: :p
[19:36] <IT_Sean> I agree... i don't like twitter
[19:36] <IT_Sean> afternoon tntexplosivesltd
[19:37] <tntexplosivesltd> hahaha sightlight
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[19:38] <manifold> hi sightlight
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[19:39] <dr0ne_> must....buy....
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[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> well this batch is gone, so we're all waiting for the next year's one.
[19:40] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[19:40] <MystX> yea so glad i got one
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> lucky... they went fast
[19:40] <tntexplosivesltd> aww I missed it
[19:40] <MystX> yup.
[19:40] <manifold> What?
[19:40] <IT_Sean> yup. Can't wait for mine to arrive.
[19:40] <manifold> O_O
[19:40] <hotwings> me too.. that sucks
[19:40] <manifold> You guys ordered?
[19:40] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> early this morning.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> You didn't miss it, did you!?
[19:41] <dr0ne_> woah
[19:41] <hotwings> what quantity did they manufacture? seems like they went way too fast
[19:41] <dr0ne_> it's not out
[19:41] <haltdef> (bazinga)
[19:41] <manifold> I did. Where can we buy it from?
[19:41] <IT_Sean> HAHAH!
[19:41] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[19:41] <dr0ne_> They're trolling you ;)
[19:41] <IT_Sean> We are just screwing with you
[19:41] <IT_Sean> They aren't out yet.
[19:42] <manifold> fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[19:42] * hotwings kicks IT_Sean in the beans
[19:42] <dr0ne_> f5ing the site so hard
[19:42] <MystX> lol
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> no need.... just follow the twitter account and watch your email.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> ORF!
[19:42] <IT_Sean> hotwings!!!!
[19:43] <IT_Sean> join the mailing list, and you will be alerted the moment they go on sale
[19:43] <MystX> i love hotwing
[19:43] <MystX> s
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[19:43] <manifold> Then I need to convince someone to buy it for me. I don't have a credit card.
[19:43] <IT_Sean> got a checking account, and paypal?
[19:43] <MystX> ouch
[19:44] <tntexplosivesltd> so you're 12?
[19:44] <manifold> Nope.
[19:44] <hotwings> lol
[19:44] <IT_Sean> bummer
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> sucks to be you
[19:44] <manifold> IT_Sean: yeah.
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> how do you not have an account? O_o
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[19:44] <tntexplosivesltd> he's 12
[19:45] <dr0ne_> i'm sure someone here would buy you one
[19:45] <dr0ne_> but you need to take a pic with a shoe on your head
[19:45] <IT_Sean> dr0ne_: not at the 1 per person limit
[19:45] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahaha
[19:45] <datagutt> aw not out yet
[19:45] <datagutt> lol
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[19:46] <dr0ne_> damn they are going to sell out so fast
[19:46] <datagutt> Well
[19:46] <datagutt> Anybody wanna secure me one?
[19:46] <dr0ne_> it's gonna be a swarm of geeks
[19:46] <datagutt> Not like ive been hosting the logbot..
[19:46] <datagutt> lol
[19:46] <tntexplosivesltd> and kids
[19:46] <dr0ne_> i'll be surprised if their site stays up
[19:46] <IT_Sean> datagutt: i'll buy you one, at a 500% markup
[19:46] <haltdef> they're moving to a better server shortly
[19:46] <datagutt> I can give you months of logs
[19:46] <datagutt> for this channel
[19:46] <datagutt> who wouldnt want that?
[19:46] <MystX> me
[19:47] <dr0ne_> me
[19:47] <tntexplosivesltd> me
[19:47] <xlq> 10 PRINT "When is it going to be released?"
[19:47] <xlq> 20 PRINT "Why is there no VGA?"
[19:47] <xlq> 30 GOTO 10
[19:47] <MystX> lol
[19:47] <dr0ne_> FATAL ERROR
[19:47] <xlq> datagutt: My program is much smaller than your logs :)
[19:47] * dr0ne_ blue screens
[19:47] <datagutt> No blue screens on mac
[19:47] * xlq panic
[19:47] <xlq> s
[19:47] <manifold> :>
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[19:48] <dr0ne_> = (
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[19:48] * xlq beeps
[19:50] <rm> there isn't a GOTO in python, is there :))
[19:50] * IT_Sean unplugs xlq during bootup
[19:50] <xlq> rm: No, but Lua now has goto :(
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[19:50] <datagutt> hasnt php got goto now too
[19:50] <datagutt> Ive been missing it
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[19:55] <hotwings> while true; do echo "why is there no vga? :("; done
[19:55] <Jaseman> because it doesnt support high definitions
[19:56] <xlq> It does though!
[19:56] <Jaseman> because its analogue
[19:56] <rm> because it's not in the SoC (but this is a very very dull answer)
[19:56] <xlq> Really though, you can get very good quality over VGA.
[19:57] <Jaseman> I know
[19:57] <Jaseman> im using vga right now on my 28" monitor
[19:57] <IT_Sean> it doesn't hae VGA because it doesnt! It just bloody doesnt. Take your $35 dev board and be happy with it!
[19:57] <IT_Sean> bloody noobs.
[19:57] <Jaseman> and its sharp and crisp
[19:57] <feep> hotwings: I read that as "why is there no vagina"
[19:57] <rm> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/25/1543239/xbmc-running-on-raspberry-pi
[19:58] <rm> it's amusing how slashdot publishes every tiniest bit of news about rPi
[19:58] <Jaseman> that will be added to the gert board
[19:58] <_inc> wow its noobtastic in here
[19:58] <_inc> 'evening gents
[19:58] <Jaseman> no i think its jerktastic
[19:59] <hotwings> feep - that will be included in the $50 "premium" version!
[19:59] <feep> :D
[19:59] <feep> hotwings: I think there's a huge, untapped market for open-source teledildonics
[19:59] <_inc> I fancy some beef jerky
[19:59] <feep> all the existing products use closed-source protocols
[19:59] <feep> and yes that is a word
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[20:01] <Jaseman> has bbc click mentioned the raspberry pi yet?
[20:01] <rm> click is for noobs :P
[20:02] <rm> with their iphones
[20:02] <_inc> a simple google search suggests yes
[20:02] <_inc> at least on the site
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[20:03] <Jaseman> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9504208.stm
[20:03] <traeak> isn't it wonderful when a partner threatens you with patents they wrote based on your IP
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[20:04] <_inc> traeak: finish with her
[20:04] <Jaseman> this one is much smaller
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[20:05] <dr0ne_> teledildonics?
[20:05] * dr0ne_ slow claps
[20:05] <ampharos> I just realized who the RPi could make for a bitchin' car head unit replacement
[20:05] <dr0ne_> aw hell yeah
[20:05] <IT_Sean> dr0ne_: O_o
[20:05] <dr0ne_> XBMC in your car
[20:05] <ampharos> Slap Android on it, get Bluetooth, an BT OBDII adaptor, and GPS
[20:06] <ampharos> With the Google maps, Music, and Torque app, it'd be awesome
[20:06] <tntexplosivesltd> ampharos: if android works on it
[20:06] <dr0ne_> Shouldn't droid work on it?
[20:06] <ampharos> plus it fetches weather updates when it returns home with WiFi
[20:06] <tntexplosivesltd> of it supportd the gpu
[20:06] <traeak> the better way is to threaten them back to easily invalidate their patents...considering they think their value relies on their patent portforlio
[20:06] <ampharos> XBMC would be distracting. You can't want Buffy and drive!
[20:06] <tntexplosivesltd> * supports
[20:07] <tntexplosivesltd> * if
[20:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[20:08] <ampharos> the current car's stereo still has an segment display!
[20:08] <uriah> looks like we won't be getting any raspi's today :(
[20:08] <ampharos> CD MP3... and if they do have tiocuhscreens, they suck because they're not open
[20:08] <MystX> You expected them today?
[20:08] <uriah> any day now
[20:08] <traeak> heh
[20:08] <traeak> be a few weeks still uriah
[20:08] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[20:08] <Aquilus_> I'm betting it'll be a week or so.
[20:08] <MystX> Try in a few week
[20:08] <tntexplosivesltd> exactly
[20:08] <uriah> wwhhhyyyyyyy??!
[20:09] <Aquilus_> If what was in the last blog was correct, anyway.
[20:09] <MystX> Because the boards arent made yet
[20:09] <uriah> i see...
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> does no-one keep up with the news?
[20:09] <MystX> nop
[20:09] <MystX> e
[20:09] <dr0ne_> chuck testa
[20:09] <uriah> which blog post are we talking about here?
[20:10] <uriah> the official one, or one of the people involved's blog?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> READ. THE. WEBSITE.
[20:10] <uriah> As we wait for the first units to come back from the factory
[20:10] <tntexplosivesltd> dr0ne_: =D
[20:10] <uriah> is what it says
[20:10] <IT_Sean> it isn't brain science
[20:10] <uriah> so more assembly is required once they've arrived?
[20:10] <Aquilus_> If they're not out from the factory, they're not done yet ;)
[20:11] <uriah> i heard they were on their way
[20:11] <uriah> is all
[20:11] <tntexplosivesltd> then they need to be shipped
[20:11] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[20:11] <MystX> This isn't rocket surgery
[20:11] <uriah> oh well
[20:11] <dr0ne_> They said 2-3 weeks from the factory, probably next week
[20:11] <uriah> ok, alright, i'll wait then.
[20:11] <uriah> :P
[20:11] <Aquilus_> "This means that the first units from the first batch will be rolling off the line at the end of January." from the blog, two weeks ago.
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[20:12] <MystX> Does Abishur ever come on here?
[20:12] <tntexplosivesltd> don't think so =/
[20:13] <tntexplosivesltd> sooooooooooooooooooo hungry
[20:13] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: coffee?
[20:13] <MystX> mmm maybe
[20:13] <MystX> ..yes
[20:14] <ampharos> so my setup for an android system on the RPi designed for cars wouldn't use Car Home, rather vanilla android launcher: torque would provide engine diag, music and maps are obvious
[20:15] <ampharos> then I'd add a weather applet,so when it's connected to wifi at home, it'd be updating forecasts and missed emails
[20:15] <victhor> I hope you are not trying to run ICS. Too many flashy things and blinkenlights for 256 MB of RAM and ARM11 processor.
[20:15] <ampharos> Gingerbread
[20:15] <victhor> I suppose that's ok...
[20:15] <ampharos> i dont like ICS' look
[20:16] <esotera_> i'm fairly sure that on the website they say it's highly unlikely that it could run Android
[20:16] <Aquilus_> Probably something pre-gingerbread.
[20:16] <Aquilus_> Think even Gingerbread needs to much memory. If you want to run anything else anyway
[20:17] <ampharos> probably just a music player, maps app, OBD2 reader, and maybe weather and email
[20:19] <traeak> i don't mind ICS, i just wnt to move the status bar and wish it would autohide
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> ampharos: Angry birds controlled by a little knob on the steering wheel?
[20:22] <Aquilus_> Can't you remove the status bar with a launcher?
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[20:24] <sightlight> xonotic
[20:24] <sightlight> =)
[20:25] <Edwin512> Gingerbread ran just fine on my HTC Hero, which probably has less computing power than the Raspberry Pi and also 256mb RAM
[20:26] <haltdef> wonder if maemo will work
[20:26] <haltdef> n900 only has 256MB ram but has armv7 cpu
[20:27] <Stskeeps> no, it relies heavily on x11
[20:27] <Stskeeps> and is compiled for armv7
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: no
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: ah
[20:27] * SpeedEvil waves at Stskeeps and lets him finish.
[20:27] <Stskeeps> also, the usual "it's mostly a closed source stack aimed at nokia devices and a nightmare to port"
[20:27] <Stskeeps> :P
[20:28] <ampharos> SpeedEvil: no angry birds while driving, same with video
[20:28] <haltdef> is ok, I put android on my n900
[20:28] * haltdef runs off
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[20:29] <ampharos> just maps with USB GPS, OBD2 and phone possibly phone tethering for checking texts calls and emails safely, or at least notifying, a touchscreen, music player hooked up to the stereo system, and possibly other stuff
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[20:35] <MystX> Whoop whopp
[20:35] <MystX> Coffee is my favourite hot caffinated beverage
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> what's all the whooping about?
[20:35] <haltdef> YES
[20:36] <haltdef> mug with half espresso from dark roast beans, half hot milk
[20:36] <haltdef> NO FROTH
[20:36] <haltdef> <3
[20:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[20:36] <tntexplosivesltd> I am disappoint
[20:36] <haltdef> :(
[20:37] <MystX> I shall add a DB for AnotherBot
[20:37] <MystX> Then we may have a poll
[20:38] <MystX> think about what you'd like
[20:38] <haltdef> no more bots
[20:38] <haltdef> :(
[20:38] <tntexplosivesltd> this is the best bot
[20:38] <MystX> Its already here
[20:38] <haltdef> most spammy
[20:39] <MystX> Tis not
[20:39] <tntexplosivesltd> ut can do anything
[20:39] <tntexplosivesltd> * it
[20:39] * xenoxaos is now known as jesus
[20:39] <tntexplosivesltd> =O
[20:39] * jesus is now known as xenoxaos
[20:39] <Thorn_> #raspberry pi: Total of 160 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal, 129 bots]
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[20:40] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw
[20:40] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt4s_vKNQU
[20:41] <MystX> Wait what
[20:41] <MystX> Are there seriously 129 bots here?
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> 08:39 -!- Irssi: #raspberrypi: Total of 159 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 158 normal]
[20:46] <MystX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA
[20:46] <MystX> awesome song
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're into that sort of thing
[20:48] <MystX> Also fuck
[20:48] <MystX> Cant get my DB layout
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> for?
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: nah that's a shit song
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> what a wigga
[20:48] <MystX> =|
[20:49] <MystX> hah jokes its all there
[20:52] <MystX> !load mysql
[20:52] <MystX> Ah im not an admin =|
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[20:54] <MystX> !load mysql
[20:54] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'mysql'.
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[20:54] <MystX> !load quote poll rss
[20:54] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'quote'.
[20:54] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'poll'.
[20:54] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[20:54] <Kolin> Loaded module 'mysql'.
[20:54] <MystX> Yes?
[20:54] <feep> XD
[20:54] <mrdragons> Hey anotherbot.
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[20:55] <MystX> !poll
[20:55] <AnotherBot> There is currently no poll.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Loaded module 'skynet'
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Loaded module 'hentai'
[20:55] <MystX> =D
[20:56] <MystX> !nq < SpeedEvil> Loaded module 'skynet'
[20:56] <AnotherBot> Quote was saved successfully
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[20:57] <MystX> !newpoll Is it out yet?
[20:57] <AnotherBot> There is a new poll: Is it out yet?
[20:57] * PiBot slaps MystX across the face with a cast iron pan.
[20:57] <AnotherBot> Type '!vote yes' or '!vote no' to vote.
[20:57] * PiBot slaps AnotherBot across the face with a cast iron pan.
[20:57] <MystX> =D
[20:58] <MystX> Sorry >)_>
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> !poll
[20:59] <AnotherBot> The current poll is: Is it out yet?
[20:59] <AnotherBot> Current votes: 0 / 0.
[20:59] <AnotherBot> Type '!vote yes' or '!vote no' to vote.
[20:59] * PiBot slaps AnotherBot across the face with a cast iron pan.
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> !vote no
[20:59] <AnotherBot> Your vote has been cast.
[20:59] <haltdef> jesus christ
[20:59] <haltdef> now the bots are responding to each other
[21:00] <tntexplosivesltd> they're sentient =3
[21:00] <feep> but you had to go and load skynet!!
[21:00] <koaschten> hmm was looking at buying a new pc case... didnt want to buy a house... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuP9XMIjT6A&feature=player_embedded
[21:00] <feep> :<
[21:00] * haltdef flicks ukscone
[21:00] <haltdef> regulate them!
[21:00] <ReggieUK> with 5v capacitors
[21:00] <haltdef> hah
[21:00] <MystX> Loool
[21:00] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:01] <tntexplosivesltd> wow.....
[21:01] <tntexplosivesltd> that case is MASSIVE
[21:01] <MystX> Ill need a full tower soon =(
[21:01] <tntexplosivesltd> koaschten: buy ut
[21:01] <tntexplosivesltd> then live in it
[21:01] <MystX> Not for my pc though
[21:01] <tntexplosivesltd> * buy it
[21:01] <manifold> !vote no
[21:01] <AnotherBot> Your vote has been cast.
[21:01] <koaschten> tntexplosivesltd sadly i am not asian ;)
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:02] <manifold> !poll
[21:02] <AnotherBot> The current poll is: Is it out yet?
[21:02] <AnotherBot> Current votes: 0 / 2.
[21:02] <AnotherBot> Type '!vote yes' or '!vote no' to vote.
[21:02] * PiBot slaps AnotherBot across the face with a cast iron pan.
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> she's kinda cute
[21:02] <manifold> ...
[21:02] <tntexplosivesltd> PiBot: stop that!
[21:02] <manifold> PiBot: 1
[21:03] <MystX> !closepoll
[21:03] <AnotherBot> The poll has been closed!
[21:03] <AnotherBot> Is it out yet?
[21:03] <AnotherBot> Results: 0 votes to 2.
[21:03] * PiBot slaps AnotherBot across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[21:03] <MystX> Too much spam
[21:03] <Aquilus_> !spam
[21:03] <Aquilus_> That should totally be a bot command.
[21:03] <MystX> No, thats !omegle
[21:03] <MystX> Thats the spam command
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... sighlight is a meme now, ey?
[21:03] <MystX> Yup
[21:04] <MystX> Freshman Electronics Engineer
[21:04] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[21:04] <MystX> > Tries to build regulator
[21:04] <MystX> > Dies
[21:05] <MystX> Noone? ok =(
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> MystX: +1
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> MystX: this isn't /r/AdviceAnimals though
[21:07] * Craiggles is now known as Craig`
[21:07] <mrdragons> Is it not not out yet?
[21:07] <MystX> No
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> mrdragons: Delayed every time you ask.
[21:07] <feep> ooh, valve time?
[21:08] <mrdragons> Awesome, that makes the chances of me affording one better. ^_^
[21:08] <mrdragons> Well, a bunch of them
[21:08] <MystX> mrdragons: It hasnt begin to not be not out. On the contrary, its the opposite, and not yet not in production.
[21:08] <traeak> mrdragons: you didn't get one yet from the production batch?
[21:09] <mrdragons> well, besides that one
[21:09] <mrdragons> So it is in production?
[21:10] <mrdragons> Double++ negatives are easy; and odd number of negatives will still be a negative, while an even number will cancel out and become a positive
[21:10] <mrdragons> an*
[21:10] <jardiamj> Raspberrypi, building a community around a yet non-existent product. And I big active community.
[21:11] <traeak> rules in english, not valid in other languages
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> wah.... it's cold and sleepy here.
[21:11] <traeak> !w
[21:11] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Jan 25 14:53:00 2012. Temp 16??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 17%, Later 12??C - -2??C. Condition: Clear.
[21:11] <traeak> nice to see the forecast is fail again
[21:11] <mrdragons> 16c isn't that bad
[21:11] <traeak> no it's pleasant outside
[21:12] <traeak> missing the forecast by 4C isn't that bad...considering we have mountains directly to the west its almost impossible to forecast here anyways
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ~w
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> fail
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> !w
[21:12] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne: in Seaford, VIC on Thu Jan 26 11:30:00 2012. Temp 15??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 88%.
[21:12] <PiBot> Fri: High 30??C Low 17??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[21:12] <PiBot> Sat: High 35??C Low 20??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[21:12] <PiBot> Sun: High 35??C Low 15??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[21:12] <PiBot> Thu: High 23??C Low 13??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[21:12] <haltdef> >:|
[21:12] <haltdef> srsly
[21:12] <tntexplosivesltd> !q
[21:12] <AnotherBot> < SpeedEvil> Loaded module 'skynet'
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> what?
[21:12] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[21:13] <mrdragons> Dragonbot is undergoing major repairs atm, otherwise he'd join the party
[21:13] <traeak> what's VIC ?
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> victoria
[21:13] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[21:13] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 17??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 63%.
[21:13] <traeak> ahh okay
[21:13] <tntexplosivesltd> mmm
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[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> wait... in the video, did she say "this case has a racecar design" =/
[21:15] <traeak> hey pandora finally out!
[21:15] <traeak> hehe
[21:15] <traeak> talk about too many screwups
[21:15] <MystX> That case has 9 drive pays!
[21:15] <traeak> feel sorry for the guys actually
[21:15] <MystX> bays*
[21:15] <MystX> I need 8.. THis is good
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... I just let my drives be where they like... who needs bays
[21:16] * SpeedEvil looks at his drawer-full of drives hooked through USB.
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> With the PSU loose in the drawer
[21:17] <MystX> Eww
[21:17] <MystX> Yeah i like my drives to last loong
[21:17] <MystX> and give the rest of the hardware good airflow
[21:18] <MystX> It saddens me that ill have to move to raid 10
[21:18] <MystX> And that 1TB spinpoints are $160 now
[21:18] <feep> I keep my drives in a barely-ventilated box. :D
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> MystX: My house is at 6C at the moment.
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> They're plenty cool.
[21:19] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... ventilation... I just keep the case open.... gathers too much dust though, so that's probably a bad idea
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> ShiftPlusOne: fans help move dust :P
[21:20] <MystX> Oh god..
[21:20] <jardiamj> !w
[21:22] <MystX> Does raid 10 read from all disks like a raid 0?
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[21:26] <MartijnVdS> MystX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels
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[21:26] <MartijnVdS> MystX: RAID 0 does not have redundancy.
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> MystX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> MystX: RAID 10 = RAID 1 + RAID 0
[21:26] <MystX> Yes, i know that
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> MystX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10
[21:27] <Aquilus_> RAID 1 + RAID 1 = RAID 2
[21:27] <MystX> I was asking if it uses ALL disks in the read, or just the stripe
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> Aquilus_: not quite
[21:27] <Aquilus_> Don't ruin my bad jokes =/
[21:27] <rm> isn't RAID10 similar to a mirror of RAID0s
[21:27] <rm> so I'd assume it uses 2 drives to read
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[21:29] <MystX> Its a stripe of mirrors
[21:31] <MystX> I wonder if you can build a raid10 out of a raid0, and a mirror of each of those drives though
[21:31] <MystX> hmm =\
[21:32] <MystX> Research needs to be conducted
[21:34] <hotwings> when hd prices are sane again, ill pick up a few extras and try it out.. since i need to build a new fileserver anyways
[21:35] <mrdragons> Hmm, RAID10 would be an awesome artist name...
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> what kind of artist?
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> like a sandwich artist?
[21:35] <mrdragons> :P
[21:35] <hotwings> probably some electronica artist with a blinged out laptop to dj from
[21:36] <mrdragons> Exactly
[21:36] <mrdragons> *Some type of DnB
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[21:37] <MystX> Sandwich artist
[21:37] <MystX> He gives you two sandwiches the same
[21:38] <MystX> and there's two of everyhting inside each one
[21:38] <mrdragons> Oh yeah, for teh bot peoples, I just posted in the channel, if anyone wants to chat/critisize/destroy my code
[21:38] <MystX> oh
[21:39] <hotwings> speaking of sandwiches... subway sounds good for lunch
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[21:40] <uriah> hotwings: nah, get lebanese food
[21:40] <hotwings> turkey + white cheese + lettuce + jalapenos + mustard + mayo + black pepper... on honey wheat
[21:40] <hotwings> yum
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> l;fd;kljegjkl;esdfg;lkjerty;ofiugdfglkhj456yroitjyerhfghdfgh;lk4j56y0r9u
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> And then?
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> a 'q', I suppose.
[21:43] <ctyler> live a little, go for a Q
[21:43] <ctyler> shift livens up everything
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[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> you're right
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[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> damn fedora... always using a different root password >=/
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> haha root passwords
[21:50] * ctyler thought *you* set the root password in Fedora
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> haven't had one of those for a LOOONG time
[21:52] <Kostic> So its official, Fedora will be the main distro for RasPi?
[21:52] <haltdef> link?
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> not on the arm version.
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> it's meant to be fedoraarm
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> and always was
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> but I just downloaded f14... and it isn't >=/
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[21:54] <ctyler> Kostic: nothing official yet
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[21:54] <ctyler> ShiftPlusOne: you're using pbrobinson's f14 alpha? yeah, he forgot to set the root password.
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, RC1
[21:56] <ctyler> well yeah
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a difference apparantly
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> they told me it was THE release version, out of alpha.
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> init=/bin/bash it is then
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[22:08] <mikey_w> So when can I buy one?
[22:08] <Aquilus_> Sorry, they're sold out already.
[22:08] <Aquilus_> Come back next year.
[22:08] <mikey_w> Ok I'll just wait for an allwinner.
[22:09] <mikey_w> When will the sources be released. Binaries only don't interest me.
[22:10] <haltdef> there's a kernel fork on github
[22:10] <rm> it's Broadcom, they have binary firmware even on frigging network cards
[22:10] <mikey_w> Shame on them.
[22:10] <haltdef> why is that an issue?
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> haltdef, because people think that it will be plagues with bugs and nobody will fix them
[22:11] <haltdef> you're not bugging nvidia or amd for their graphics firmware, or your pc manufacturer for their BIOS source
[22:11] <rm> in fact we do :P
[22:11] <MystX> Just scored a pentium dual core + mobo + ram + gfx card =D
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, we are bugging nvidia and amd
[22:11] <mikey_w> If I can't build the source code and exam it, how do I know it's not calling home?
[22:11] <haltdef> you can build the source code
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> mikey_w, use packet sniffing
[22:12] <mrdragons> Packet analysing maybe?
[22:12] <haltdef> just not to the gpu furmware, that is and always will be closed
[22:12] <mikey_w> That's a tedious way.
[22:12] <Aquilus_> More tedious and going through all the source code?
[22:12] <Aquilus_> I think not.
[22:12] <mikey_w> Allwinner has open gpu code.
[22:12] <haltdef> go buy one then :P
[22:12] <mikey_w> Still being developed.
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[22:13] <mrdragons> The allwinner is also projected to be >= $100
[22:13] <mrdragons> Until 100,000 units have been sold
[22:13] <mikey_w> If it meets my criteria that's fine.
[22:14] <mikey_w> I've waited almost 3 years for my openpandora. I'm patient.
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mikey_w, they're releasing all their source code for all the allwinner hardware and all the schematics?
[22:15] <Aquilus_> Yeah, waiting for the hardware to get dates before it even releases is brilliant.
[22:15] <mikey_w> http://www.pocketables.net/2012/01/pandora-gaming-handheld-to-ship-en-masse-next-month.html
[22:15] <mikey_w> Some things just take time.
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll believe that the pandora is shipping once it arrives on my doorstep
[22:16] <Kostic> I think that Liz said that their priorities were not to make an ultimately open architecture but to make cheap and fun to program box... Correct me if I'm wrong.
[22:16] <Aquilus_> Hehe
[22:16] <mikey_w> That is a clue.
[22:16] <mikey_w> Just trolling.
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Kostic, yeah. The fact that they have made it as open as they possibly could is an extra. So people complaining about it is just stupid.
[22:17] <ReggieUK> and to be fair it's open right up to the proprietary gpu code
[22:17] <ReggieUK> which is fair enough
[22:18] <mikey_w> Would Stallman use one?
[22:18] <haltdef> the source code of that won't mean anything to anyone outside of broadcom, would it
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Couldn't care less about what Stallman uses.
[22:18] <haltdef> or one of broadcom's competitors
[22:18] <mikey_w> Yes it would.
[22:18] <mrdragons> Godwins law... So close...
[22:19] <ctyler> There are a few proprietary libraries in userspace, which will be the sticking point. They should eventually be opened.
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah Broadcom are as bad as Hitler, really.
[22:19] <mikey_w> All violation begin with the NDA.
[22:19] <mikey_w> begins
[22:20] <Aquilus_> Hitler commonly used NDAs in order to persectue the Jews and the disabled.
[22:20] <Aquilus_> Everyone knows that.
[22:20] <Kostic> I don't think he would use it... Because he already has some 100% open thingy from future... Now the question is, could he buy the same computer he is using with a $25.
[22:21] <ReggieUK> somebody should do a hitler parody for the pi
[22:21] <ReggieUK> who should be hitler though?
[22:21] <ReggieUK> too soon for it to be steve jobs?
[22:22] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[22:22] <Kostic> For money you give, it's quite open... If you don't like the fact that it has some closed-source parts (as I didn't liked it in the beggining), then go and write some... :)
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[22:22] <ReggieUK> 'steve, broadcom have released the pi chips, kids are making their own pads'
[22:23] <mikey_w> You shouldn't feed a troll.
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> troll?
[22:23] <mikey_w> Me.
[22:23] <Kostic> Richard Stallman could be Cherchil.
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> mikey_w: you are bot a troll by identofying yourself as one
[22:24] <Kostic> In that hipothetical parody.
[22:24] <ReggieUK> sightlight should be churchill
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> You're not doing a good job trolling
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> rule #1
[22:24] <mikey_w> I know, I'm a bad troll.
[22:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * you are not a troll
[22:24] <ReggieUK> but we eat trolls
[22:24] <mikey_w> lol
[22:24] <ReggieUK> mmmmmn, crunchy
[22:24] <mikey_w> oops!\
[22:25] * Kostic is hungry.
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[22:25] <mikey_w> I will buy a raspberry pi when I can just to have a ne toy.
[22:25] <mikey_w> new
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[22:30] <MystX> Nope. Im goignt o buy all of them
[22:31] <MystX> going to*
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[22:32] <mikey_w> MystX: Building a cluster?
[22:33] <Kostic> MystX: Building a Byblical Beast? :D
[22:34] <mikey_w> hmmmm
[22:35] <MystX> Both
[22:35] <MystX> Im going to make a rendering farm
[22:35] <MystX> 10,000 R-Pis. They render a frame each
[22:35] <MystX> Over a few days =P
[22:37] <Kostic> Ough... Good, I thought that you are one of these evil resellers... :)
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[22:38] <MystX> So, they'd take the same time to render a 10,000 frame video as a moderately powerful PC
[22:39] <Aquilus_> Haha
[22:39] <Aquilus_> Brilliant
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[22:48] <Kostic> I still think that its better to use it to collect human souls...
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[22:59] <MystX> afk, meeting
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[23:29] <MystX> So hungryyyy
[23:29] <LiENUS> raspi out!?
[23:31] <haltdef> you're going to burn in a very special level of hell
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[23:34] <Kostic> Where are our bots?
[23:34] <MystX> Which ones?
[23:35] <Kostic> I dunno... There were two or three competing. I think I saw PiBot...
[23:35] <MystX> He's here
[23:35] <MystX> AnotherBot is here. He's all the bot i need
[23:36] <Kostic> $beer
[23:36] <Kostic> AnotherBot, no beer? :(
[23:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[23:36] <tntexplosivesltd> there is more than 1 way to address a bot
[23:37] <tntexplosivesltd> that is not it
[23:37] <Kostic> !beer
[23:37] * RaTTuS|BIG Gives e-bree to mrdragons
[23:37] <tntexplosivesltd> e-bree?
[23:38] <MystX> ukscone: mm, beer
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like an STD
[23:38] <MystX> wait, not ukscone. soz
[23:38] <MystX> But while im at it, ukscone: you should -c this chan
[23:38] <mrdragons> Heh, wat? None of the bots here are mine. :P
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[23:50] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @TummyCustard I think that's a glitch rather than a significator of anything - afaik, they've not been shipped from China yet! - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162306161796853760
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[23:52] <tntexplosivesltd> pph
[23:53] <tntexplosivesltd> * ooh
[23:53] <tntexplosivesltd> that works well
[23:54] <Kolin> significator :/

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