#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-26

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: lunch time
[0:01] <Kostic|hakuje> Battle for Wesnoth and then sleep time... See you guys.
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[0:03] * Kostic|hakuje (~Kostic]@net65-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has left #raspberrypi
[0:04] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7-dev)
[0:04] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @TummyCustard We all (esp Liz) want to see more girls programming - there's obv some barrier, but we're buggered if we know what it is. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162309777400139776
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[0:08] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: A new #QtonPi from @baldand - enjoy! http://t.co/5XRUpAda - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162310708820836352
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[0:10] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @ColinTGraham Speaking as someone who was very social and emotional 20 years ago, I'm pleased to be able to prove you wrong! - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162311197750853633
[0:14] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @evilhackerdude Broadly speaking, you can't - we've run out. Mail us if you think you have a very special case, though! - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162312180312719360
[0:14] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @ColinTGraham We know. It's a big problem (which isn't ours to fix); Personally, I believe strongly it starts in the home & playground. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162312352421781504
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[0:15] <MystX> Oh boy
[0:17] * dr0ne_ (83fcf1f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[0:22] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @ColinTGraham Woeful, isn't it? Maths teacher friends of ours have found that showing salary charts of those w the A Level counts for a lot. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162314320292741120
[0:22] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @ColinTGraham (Which, of course, sucks in a whole different way.) - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162314377939263489
[0:23] <DaQatz> AnotherBot is a bit spammy to have in the main chan.
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the tweets aren't spam
[0:23] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @Trive77 On the contrary - our power consumption is under a watt for the main processor, and that's something we designed in. - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162314540334333952
[0:23] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: @evilhackerdude Bung us an email anyway. You never know. ;) - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162314685507571712
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe get rid of the @ tweets though
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> since... there's no context to half of them
[0:24] <DaQatz> Keep the bot in #raspberrypi-bots
[0:24] <DaQatz> So that anyone who wants to see them can.
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ....but I don't want to be in raspberrypi-bots
[0:25] <DaQatz> Then don't go to the channel
[0:25] <MystX> ..
[0:25] <tsdedst> twitter.com :P
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the plan.
[0:26] <MystX> Ill fix it to ignore @ tweets when i get home from work
[0:27] * [TNM]Roban (~jadu@ Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[0:28] <MystX> !unload rss
[0:28] <AnotherBot> Module 'rss' unloaded.
[0:28] <MystX> !load rss
[0:29] <AnotherBot> Loaded module 'rss'.
[0:29] <MystX> There's a temp fix in place now
[0:30] <DaQatz> 151 users, damn when I joined this room there were less people here then are in #raspberrypi-dev atm.
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[0:31] <traeak> heh
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[0:45] <Thorn_> raspberrypi-dev?
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[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> what about it?
[0:47] * zgreg (greg@ Quit (*.net *.split)
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[0:47] <traeak> a quiet sleepy place
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[0:49] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[0:49] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
[0:49] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi, we're experiencing an outage at once of our sponsors, causing NickServ/ChanServ and friends to have left as well as some server being unavailable. We're looking into the cause now. More updates by wallops, /mode yournick +w to see them!
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[0:58] <uriah> mrdragons: heh
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[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> wow what happened
[1:02] <tntexplosivesltd> lol netsplit made chanserv quit
[1:03] <cousteau> tntexplosivesltd, yes, it's doing weird stuff today
[1:03] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[1:04] <_inc> FAO bot haters: why not just /ignore?
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[1:08] <pizza-dude> why not zoidberg ?
[1:09] <DaQatz> Because he's a squid face crab!
[1:09] <DaQatz> That is why not zoidberg
[1:10] <pizza-dude> poor zoidberg
[1:10] <pizza-dude> he never gets chosen :p
[1:10] <DaQatz> I will pour hot butter on him!
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[1:11] <pizza-dude> you sure ya wana do that ?
[1:11] <DaQatz> No I do not like seafood. But zoidberg will love the butter.
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[1:12] <pizza-dude> true that
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[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> you guys are sich
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> * sick
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[1:35] <PiBot> All bots must die.
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[1:49] <ReggieUK> why should bot haters have to 'opt' out of their inane crap?
[1:50] <MystX> Well I agree that having lots of bots is silly
[1:50] <MystX> But having one bot with some useful functions would be preferred but most people
[1:50] <MystX> by*
[1:51] <ReggieUK> of course but pibot is the only one doing anything useful, and that's the weather......
[1:51] <ReggieUK> the rest of them are dross
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[1:52] <MystX> In your opinion
[1:52] <DaQatz> PiBot does logs as well.
[1:53] <DaQatz> Need to write a new translation module too.
[1:53] <MystX> Imo having rss updates printed in chan is awesome. If not here, for my chan
[1:54] <MystX> But im bias
[1:54] <MystX> ed
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[1:55] <DaQatz> Well a general rule of thumb. If the bot gives info with a direct request from people, it will annoy them.
[1:56] <DaQatz> Which is one reason I muted the welcomes for this channel.
[1:57] <tntexplosivesltd> in this case they happen so infrequently that it isn't an annoyance
[1:57] <tntexplosivesltd> and it's always good to hear news from the r-pi team
[1:58] <MystX> Saves checking the site every 5 minutes
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[2:11] <mrdragons> As long as it's not flooding the chatroom, I'm totally fine with rss updates in chat
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[2:39] <_inc> yea so like i said, /ignore
[2:40] <_inc> easy fix for bot haters, doesnt become an inconvinience for people who do like them here
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[2:42] <traeak> !w
[2:42] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Jan 25 19:53:00 2012. Temp 11??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 23%, Later 16??C - -2??C. Condition: Clear.
[2:43] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, nice
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[2:43] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[2:43] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 19??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 56%.
[2:44] <tntexplosivesltd> oh man
[2:48] <mrdragons> !w
[2:48] <PiBot> mrdragons: in Baltimore, MD on Thu Jan 26 00:54:00 2012. Temp 39??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 70%, Later 47??F - 38??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:48] <PiBot> Thu: High 47??F Low 43??F :Condition Rain
[2:48] <PiBot> Fri: High 54??F Low 34??F :Condition Showers
[2:48] <PiBot> Sat: High 52??F Low 32??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[2:48] <amazoph> !w
[2:49] <amazoph> ah, the bot hates me :P
[2:49] <mrdragons> !weather_set Baltimore, MD
[2:50] <mrdragons> You must do that for !w to work
[2:51] <amazoph> !weather_set Edinburgh, UK
[2:51] <amazoph> !w
[2:51] <amazoph> !weather_set Edinburgh, United Kingdom
[2:51] <amazoph> !w
[2:51] <mrdragons> Herm
[2:52] <amazoph> as an aside, would be useful to have a confirm
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[2:52] <MystX> DerpBot
[2:52] <amazoph> that the weather set thingy worked or now.
[2:52] <amazoph> *not
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> UI think there is
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> * I
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... google sure do make setting up a free @yourname.com email address easy. No more fiddling with a mail server and it only cost me my soul.... gotta love google.
[2:52] <mrdragons> I dunno if I typed it right, I think there's a confirmation
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> 22:45 <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set loc Upper Hutt, New Zealand
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> 22:45 <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: Your location has been set to Upper Hutt, New Zealand.
[2:52] <amazoph> aha
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> so you need loc
[2:53] <mrdragons> !w EdinburgAh
[2:53] <PiBot> Not found.
[2:53] <mrdragons> Wait wat
[2:53] <amazoph> !weather_set loc Edinburgh, United Kingdom
[2:53] <PiBot> amazoph: Your location has been set to Edinburgh, United Kingdom.
[2:53] <amazoph> and zing.
[2:53] <amazoph> !w
[2:53] <PiBot> amazoph: in Edinburgh, Midlothian on Thu Jan 26 01:20:00 2012. Temp 37??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 93%, Later 50??F - 34??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[2:54] <amazoph> seems accurate :P
[2:55] <amazoph> was assuming before that it used some sort of geolocation
[2:59] <mrdragons> Same :P
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> No, it's not
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> date is wrong
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - it's random - nvm
[3:01] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[3:01] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[3:01] <mrdragons> Is it out yet is a question he doesn't like.
[3:01] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[3:13] <PiBot_> Is it out yet?
[3:13] * PiBot slaps PiBot_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[3:13] * PiBot_ is now known as mrdragons
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[3:26] <mrdragons> So I just found out it's the year of the dragon
[3:26] <mrdragons> Win
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> it is?
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I win too I suppose then
[3:36] <victhor> I want my boards from seeedstudio, I don't care about new year
[3:36] <victhor> (well the tracking service says it was sent to my country so... not much to care about anyway)
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[3:53] <MystX> I am full of rage
[3:54] * tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl15-108-23.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:54] <mrdragons> Same
[3:55] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: but we won
[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> why the rage?
[3:56] <_inc> sports i'm guessing
[3:57] * DexterLB (~angel@ Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, how about that local sports team, ey?
[3:57] <Tobias|> The thing about that local sports team
[3:57] <Tobias|> is that they always try to walk it in
[3:58] <_inc> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-zealand-officials-shoot-33-stranded-whales-after-several-refloating-attempts-fail/2012/01/25/gIQAwhUWRQ_story.html
[3:58] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
[3:58] <_inc> MystX is full of rage cus they couldn't save the whales
[3:59] <tntexplosivesltd> don't care about the whales
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[4:00] <_inc> Cricket?
[4:00] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> I think it might be work-related
[4:01] <_inc> Pokemon (the original 150)
[4:01] <_inc> vent out on the foosball dudes :)
[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> we just did
[4:01] <tntexplosivesltd> we slaughtered
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[4:07] <MystX> Yeah I am foosball champion
[4:07] <_inc> is there a mobile phone out there which you can control the sms functions from a connected machine?
[4:08] <_inc> preferably via bash terminal
[4:08] <MystX> use a 3g stick?
[4:08] <MystX> otherwise, any android phone + adb
[4:09] <_inc> oh hello, thats a standard feature of 3g sticks?
[4:09] <MystX> i think some of them are able to do sms
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> Most can.
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> Some plans don't support SMS though
[4:09] <MystX> And im sure someone's made a command line api for them
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> google 'at command' SMS PDU
[4:10] <_inc> cheers gents
[4:11] <_inc> I'm thinking remote command to get GPS location from car
[4:11] <_inc> though that could all be done on an android really
[4:12] <MystX> This could be useful..
[4:12] <MystX> The SMS part
[4:13] <_inc> sms coverage is better than 3g data where i am
[4:13] <MystX> Actually yeah i could just make mine network based
[4:14] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: 4:40 train?
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[4:18] <koaschten> Stupid TEMPer2 ebay usb thermometer... http://i.imgur.com/yJ5TO.png
[4:18] <koaschten> outside temp dropped below zero...
[4:19] <koaschten> Green is before the sensor reads below 0?C, red the sensor drops below 0?C, yellow touch sensor to bring above 0?C.
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[4:29] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: yeah
[4:29] <MystX> cool
[4:29] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: gogogo
[4:29] <tntexplosivesltd> one last test
[4:30] <MystX> if we miss the train ill kill you
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[4:39] <_inc> continuous interg
[4:39] <_inc> integration**
[4:39] <_inc> merge those commits
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[4:46] <koaschten> damn this thermometer is bothering me :/
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[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess I don't want to know
[4:49] <koaschten> scroll up ShiftPlusOne ;)
[4:49] <koaschten> Stupid TEMPer2 ebay usb thermometer... http://i.imgur.com/yJ5TO.png
[4:50] <koaschten> Green is before the sensor reads below 0?C, red the sensor drops below 0?C, yellow touch sensor to bring above 0?C.
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I'll just stick with my assumption that you're talking about an anal thermometer.
[4:50] <koaschten> I just hope it's the crappy default windows software
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[5:04] <sightlight> hi
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[5:05] <Thorn_> still alive?
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[5:09] <sightlight> 'hi
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[5:17] <sightlight> hello
[5:17] <sightlight> anybody planning to game on the raspberyypi
[5:17] <sightlight> ?
[5:19] <mrdragons> I plan to make a MUD on it, so yes
[5:19] <mrdragons> :P
[5:19] <sightlight> mud
[5:20] <sightlight> ?
[5:20] <sightlight> what is MUD?
[5:20] <mrdragons> Multi-User Dungeon
[5:20] <mrdragons> Text-based online RPGs
[5:21] <mrdragons> Kinda
[5:21] <sightlight> an online game rpg.
[5:21] <sightlight> text based?
[5:21] <sightlight> no graphics?
[5:21] <mrdragons> Correct
[5:22] <sightlight> wouldnt that look horrible?
[5:22] <mrdragons> Depends on how good you are at formating text, lol
[5:23] <sightlight> black and while?
[5:23] <sightlight> white*
[5:23] <mrdragons> Most terminals support color output these days
[5:24] <sightlight> are you already developing it, or you will make this on the pi?
[5:24] <mrdragons> I'm going to make this on the pi, although I may start developing it now
[5:24] <mrdragons> I may make it IRC based just for teh lulz
[5:24] <sightlight> what language would you use?
[5:25] <mrdragons> Probably python for it's versatile data structures and very nice linux support
[5:25] <mrdragons> And string tools
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> Kinda orthoganal to pi really
[5:26] <mrdragons> !g dictionary.com orthoganal
[5:26] <PiBot> mrdragons: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orthogonal - "Orthogonal | Define Orthogonal at Dictionary.com"
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[5:27] <sightlight> I dont under stand the python compiler or IDLE or what ever
[5:27] <sightlight> ..
[5:27] <sightlight> good you can program
[5:27] <DaQatz> mrdragons, Which muds have you played?
[5:28] <mrdragons> sightlight: Python is an interpreted language, you don't (need to) compile it.
[5:29] <mrdragons> Just "python script.py" to run a program
[5:29] <mrdragons> DaQatz: Honestly never got much into them, although I've played aardmud and elephant(?) and thought they were interesting.
[5:30] <DaQatz> Hmm my mother still plays on AardWolf
[5:30] <DaQatz> I used play AstroMud
[5:30] <mrdragons> Or is that what it's called? I dunno lol
[5:30] <DaQatz> But that was like 15 years ago.
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> I quit muds after I stopped and looked at 'score' once.
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[5:32] <SpeedEvil> And realised that my 'low time' char had 500 hours on it.
[5:32] <SpeedEvil> This is the reason I don't make fun of WoW ddicts.
[5:32] <DaQatz> That depends a lot on the mud.
[5:32] <Thorn_> it gotta be the right shade'a brown
[5:32] <DaQatz> If you know what you are doing you can reach max level in 1 day.
[5:33] <DaQatz> In most muds.
[5:33] <mrdragons> Yeah, when I was younger I used to be a pokemon addict... I think I seriously had about 1000 hours total altogether on my games
[5:33] <SpeedEvil> These were ones where you could probably hit max level in perhaps 10-15 hours
[5:33] <DaQatz> Never liked pokemon
[5:33] <DaQatz> Never liked wow either
[5:33] <SpeedEvil> But the more you put into a char, the slower it was to level, but the more ultimately powerful.
[5:34] <DaQatz> Again that depends on the mud
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> Dark and shattered lands.
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[6:00] <sightlight> how do you guys see the future f the Pi?
[6:00] <sightlight> 2nd gen?
[6:01] <mrdragons> Nanobots that devour half the world
[6:01] <rm> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/only-10000-up-for-grabs-what-will-happen
[6:01] <rm> :DD
[6:03] <mrdragons> http://xkcd.com/865/
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[6:06] <mrdragons> rm: There will be blood
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[6:10] <sightlight> xonotic!!
[6:10] <sightlight> xonotic raspberrypi
[6:10] <sightlight> !
[6:10] <mrdragons> I dunno how well it'll run, but okay
[6:11] <sightlight> the video of quake runs 30 below
[6:11] <sightlight> I hope they improve the kernel a bit to make it stable
[6:11] <mrdragons> I expect heavier games like xonotic to run at maybe 15 fps max
[6:12] <mrdragons> Quake 3 is pretty light.
[6:12] <mrdragons> Relatively speaking of course.
[6:13] <sightlight> you speaking of xonotic in max or low? or doesnt matter?
[6:13] <mrdragons> Well, I suppose you could probably get it to run decently in low settings
[6:15] <sightlight> is 15 fps ok?
[6:15] <mrdragons> Eh...
[6:15] <sightlight> im going to download an app like fraps or something
[6:15] <mrdragons> Not really, it gets a bit choppy in high-speed games like xonotic
[6:16] <sightlight> and compare with this netbook
[6:17] <sightlight> you know a program like fraps for linux?
[6:17] <mrdragons> I bet sauerbraten will run really well on it, that should be cool if it works ok with gles
[6:17] <mrdragons> Nah
[6:18] <sightlight> what is the frame rate we need for xonotic? also I wonder how the got that frame per second counter on the quake video
[6:19] <mrdragons> Then again, that qauke demo was 1920x1024 on max iirc, xonotic might run really well on it on lower settings
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[6:21] <sightlight> man..
[6:22] <sightlight> i would like to play xonotic on the pi 1080p high setting good frame rate
[6:22] <sightlight> ..
[6:22] <sightlight> would really like that
[6:23] <sightlight> the team havent realease the images of the OS's to VM it.
[6:23] <sightlight> see how it does.
[6:24] <sightlight> i hope the kernel had improve some.. its been half a years since that demo.
[6:24] <sightlight> half a year*
[6:24] <sightlight> they must of had time to improve that.
[6:24] <sightlight> and i heard on the forum that the kernel had a patch and all
[6:24] <sightlight> they have it,
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[7:07] <sightlight> night
[7:07] <sightlight> im tired
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[7:18] <tntexplosivesltd> oh god, what happened this time?
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[9:46] <R`> hmm
[9:46] <R`> if one would build a cluster of pis
[9:46] <R`> then would http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/powerpad-16-usb-station-charges-your-ipad-and-15-others/ + usb->miniusb work as psu?
[9:47] <haltdef> can't see why not
[9:48] <haltdef> I think the pi needs a bit more than a single regular usb port can provide, as long as they do that
[9:55] <Tobias|> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/tiny-25-raspberry-pi-linux-board-reportedly-offers-twice-the-performance-of-iphone-4s-gpu.ars
[9:55] <Tobias|> Say wha'? Didn't expect that
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[10:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> |^ yesterdays news ;-p
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[10:11] <Tobias|> But it was published only 9 hours ago :<
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[10:13] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:16] <Kostic> What news?
[10:16] <Tobias|> <_<
[10:17] <Kostic> "Are we there yet?"
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[11:17] <bolosaur> Hi.
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[13:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> lo
[13:01] <haltdef> sup
[13:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[13:04] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Jan 26 11:20:00 2012. Temp 5??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 7??C - 3??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[13:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'm having one of those days .... stupid people are stupid ....
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[13:12] <wcchandler> what's with all the DB "cannot connect" errors? is the FP really getting hit that hard?
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[13:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[13:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> they are moving to a better host later this weke I understand
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[13:26] <Jaseman> i've got 11 x old school nokia phone chargers here
[13:27] <Jaseman> i wonder if its worth getting a micro usb adapter
[13:27] <Jaseman> and using those to power my raspberry
[13:27] <Jaseman> i think the adapter will cost the same as just buying a new charger though
[13:28] <victhor> look the current output rating on the unit
[13:28] <Jaseman> anyone know what the price will be on the official power supplies that will be available through the store?
[13:28] <victhor> the B uses 700 mA or so I've heard
[13:28] <Jaseman> its 5.7v 800 ma
[13:29] <FireFly> Jaseman, I actually got an adapter with my last Nokia phone that converts from the two old plugs to microUSB
[13:29] <Jaseman> the adapters cost about ??2 on ebay
[13:30] <Caver> I can see all sorts of adaptors being made up to get power from various different sources
[13:30] <Jaseman> but all depends how much a new charger costs in comparison
[13:30] <victhor> 5.7, that's a bit too much
[13:30] <Jaseman> would it fry it?
[13:31] <Jaseman> from what i understood the raspi was quite tollerant
[13:31] <Caver> no
[13:32] <Caver> from the forum "the Raspberry Pi will accept voltages from 6V to 20V"
[13:32] <chris_99> wow
[13:32] <chris_99> thats very tolerant
[13:32] <Caver> I think they know kids are likely to try odd power sources
[13:32] <Jaseman> so it should be fine then
[13:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> ttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro-USB-Mains-Charger-Charge/dp/B001SGXGGA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3384TI6969SJF&colid=1H9F2QC1SERGW <- that will power it
[13:32] <Caver> if it gets over volted it'll shut down
[13:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro-USB-Mains-Charger-Charge/dp/B001SGXGGA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3384TI6969SJF&colid=1H9F2QC1SERGW
[13:33] <Aquilus_> Will a 5V/0.7A phone charger work?
[13:33] <Caver> should do
[13:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah should do
[13:33] <Caver> the actual SoC runs at 3.3V I think, so there is a DC to DC converter that does the final conversion
[13:34] <Jaseman> i looked at that link you just posted
[13:34] <Jaseman> but it has no cable on it
[13:34] <Caver> lol I wonder if the price of micro usb phone chargers will spike when the pi is released :P
[13:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> yarg - case i ahve usb to micro usb cables.... let me find another
[13:35] <Jaseman> what we want is a cheap one...
[13:35] <Jaseman> with the correct plug on the end and at least a bit of wire
[13:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Micro-USB-Mains-Charger/dp/B0028QHJSK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327581293&sr=1-1 ?
[13:35] <Jaseman> so it doesnt have to be mounted to the mains socket
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[13:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nexxus-Mains-Charger-Micro-USB/dp/B002K8PAXW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327581293&sr=1-3 also
[13:36] <Jaseman> that aint bad
[13:36] <Jaseman> ??2.90
[13:36] <Caver> yeah
[13:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can get some at the pound shop everybow and then but I'm not 100% sure about them
[13:36] <Caver> to start with I've got a old powered usb hub and come old usb --> microusb cables
[13:37] <Jaseman> the only thing I have with micro usb connectors is my playstation controllers....
[13:37] <Jaseman> and a usb hard drive
[13:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> Caver - you need to make sure that they are power usb and not data ones also [as the data one wil be limited to 500ma I think
[13:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> dont quote me though
[13:38] <Caver> it is - it quite happily charges my phone, even when the computer is off
[13:38] <victhor> Caver, that is not true for the final board
[13:38] <Jaseman> for ??2.90 its not erally worth taking a risk
[13:38] <victhor> it has no voltage regulator for 5V so 20V will fry it. It requires 5V, +/- 0.5V I suppose.
[13:38] <Caver> victhow: whats not true?
[13:39] <victhor> that the r-pi can run at 6V-20V
[13:40] <Caver> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260 quite right
[13:40] <Caver> I sit corrected
[13:40] <Jaseman> that ??2.90 adapter doesnt list the voltage
[13:40] * Caver sits here being wrong in his wrongness
[13:40] <Jaseman> are you sure its 5v?
[13:41] <victhor> if it's usb it's 5V
[13:41] <victhor> unless it's some piece of crap charger that is unregulated
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[13:43] <Jaseman> im wondering if i should go ahead and buy a power supply now
[13:43] <Jaseman> or wait incase i cant actually get a raspi for months
[13:43] <Aquilus_> You don't have one lying around?
[13:43] <Aquilus_> From a phone or something?
[13:43] <Jaseman> only those old nokia 5.7v ones
[13:44] <Jaseman> which would require a micro usb adapter
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[13:46] <Jaseman> some of them are 3.7v
[13:46] <Jaseman> and some are 5.7
[13:46] <victhor> the one I have is conveniently 5V
[13:46] <Jaseman> i may have another oly adapter which runs at 5v
[13:46] <Jaseman> but nothing with a micro usb on the end
[13:47] <ReggieUK> sightlight will make you a psu
[13:47] <ReggieUK> from cornflakes and string
[13:48] <Caver> heh
[13:49] <Jaseman> lol
[13:49] <Jaseman> ive got a box full of adapters...
[13:49] <Jaseman> 13v
[13:49] <Jaseman> 12v
[13:49] <Jaseman> 9v
[13:49] <Jaseman> but not a single one is 5v!
[13:49] <Jaseman> grrrr
[13:49] <Jaseman> 15v
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[13:51] <Caver> ouch!
[13:52] <Hideki> use a 7805
[13:52] <Jaseman> will just have to buy one
[13:53] <Jaseman> the closest i found was 7.5v
[13:53] <Jaseman> but that was 1a
[13:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> damnit - the forums just got radio4'd ...
[13:53] <Jaseman> radio 4'd?
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[13:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> a feature was just on radio4 - you and yours - and now the website is actiing like a slash dot
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[13:54] <Caver> ahh ... that explains why I can't get in
[13:55] <Jaseman> i see
[13:55] * RaTTuS|BIG goes for lunch
[13:55] <Jaseman> so now even more people will be wanting one
[13:55] <Jaseman> cant they keep it a secret?
[13:55] <Caver> lol ... I know
[13:56] <Jaseman> are they making 10,000 in the second batch as well?
[13:56] <Jaseman> does anyone know
[13:56] <Aquilus_> That'll depend on how quickly the first one sells, I imagine.
[13:56] <Jaseman> well i think we all know the answer to that
[13:56] <Caver> I know they don't start to cover the initial dev costs until about 30k have been sold
[13:57] <Caver> so they will defo want to make a 2nd batch
[13:57] <Jaseman> well i hope they manufacture more than 10k for next batch
[13:57] <Jaseman> or there will be a lot of very frustrated people
[13:57] <Jaseman> there will be riots
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[13:58] <Jaseman> and if you manage to get one, i'd keep quiet about it or you'll get mugged
[13:58] <Jaseman> or robbed
[13:58] <Caver> anonymous will have nothing on scorned irc'ers
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[13:59] <Jaseman> i have a suspicious feeling that poor liz is personally hand packing each of the 10,000
[13:59] <Caver> hi IT_Sean
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[13:59] <Caver> heh - did you see people are volntering to help with the packing on the forums?
[13:59] <IT_Sean> hey Caver
[13:59] <IT_Sean> I didn't
[13:59] <Jaseman> i didnt see that no
[14:00] <Jaseman> how many volunteers are there?
[14:00] <Jaseman> we could do with 10,000 of them ;-)
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[14:00] <Caver> yeah but how many would get "redirected" ... they'd have to pat you down as you left
[14:01] <Jaseman> i wonder how they are going to get them all down to the post office?
[14:01] <Jaseman> can you imagine the womans face at the counter
[14:01] <Jaseman> i'd like to post these please
[14:01] <Jaseman> can i have 10 thousand first class stamps?
[14:02] <Caver> lol ... I think you'd take them to the depot
[14:02] <ReggieUK> either that or you have a franking machine
[14:02] <Jaseman> its still a big logistical task
[14:02] <ReggieUK> or you get the PO to do the mailshot for you
[14:02] <ukscone> Jaseman: they are going to borrow some kids from the workhouse
[14:02] <Jaseman> im antipating them selling millions of them
[14:03] <ukscone> the kids will love the change from going up chimneys
[14:03] * IT_Sean has images of some pore Royal Mail drone trying to stuff 10000 raspis into the back of a Transit
[14:03] <IT_Sean> *poor
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[14:03] <Jaseman> maybe one of the linux magazines will put one free on the front cover as a promotion
[14:03] <Caver> why ... it's not like they are big or heavy!
[14:04] <IT_Sean> Caver: yeah, but... there is a LOT of them
[14:04] <Caver> probably get the entire 10000 batch in a transit no problem
[14:04] <IT_Sean> I was referring to the amount of time it would take to load them
[14:04] <IT_Sean> 10000 individually packaged raspis? Thats a lot of boxes
[14:04] <Jaseman> would be interesting if they were all tagged to see where they end up
[14:05] <Jaseman> i wonder who will be the first in new zealand to get one
[14:06] <ukscone> damn there are 5 bars of unguarded chocolate on the wife's side of the bed and i have toothache :(
[14:06] <Jaseman> lol
[14:06] <Caver> lol
[14:06] <IT_Sean> thats why they are unguarded :p
[14:06] <Jaseman> riflle through her knicker drawer instead
[14:06] <Jaseman> to take your mind off it
[14:06] <Caver> just suck on the other side
[14:06] <ukscone> nah she just left for work in a hurry
[14:06] <ukscone> she didn't know about the toothache
[14:06] <IT_Sean> chew on the other side
[14:07] <ukscone> Jaseman: why would i need to go through her knicker drawer? i already have a kite
[14:07] <IT_Sean>
[14:07] <Jaseman> a kite?
[14:07] * ukscone is lucky that his wife doesn't know how to look at irc logs
[14:07] <Jaseman> lol
[14:07] <Caver> you hope ....
[14:08] <ukscone> i know -- i have to show her how to get to her email :)
[14:08] <Jaseman> i wonder what the male/female ratio will be on raspberry ownership
[14:08] <ukscone> IT_Sean: you hear about greg kelly from good day ny on fox?
[14:08] <Caver> ROFTL ... you really need to get out more, if thats a curosity
[14:08] <IT_Sean> I have not.
[14:09] <Jaseman> 99,000 males and 1 female
[14:09] <Caver> mind you geek love ....
[14:09] <ukscone> police commisioners son and has been accused of rape
[14:09] <Jaseman> 999 non-gender specific
[14:09] <ukscone> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/woman-accuses-greg-kelly-son-police-comissioner-raping-law-office-article-1.1012172
[14:10] * IT_Sean pokes his computer
[14:10] <Caver> unless there were raspberries involved thats off topic
[14:11] <Jaseman> can someone answer me this....
[14:11] <IT_Sean> Just because the's the comissioner's son doesn't mean he isn't a skeevy raping crim.
[14:11] <Jaseman> which is leaner
[14:11] <ukscone> Caver: my channel my rules :)
[14:11] <Jaseman> debian or damn small linux
[14:11] <Jaseman> or are they the same?
[14:11] <ReggieUK> beat me to it ukscone
[14:11] <IT_Sean> well, damn small linux is pretty damn small.
[14:12] <ukscone> IT_Sean: the delay in reporting is a bit iffy but no matter what his career as a tv anchour is over
[14:12] <Jaseman> when i did those python video tutorials...
[14:12] <Jaseman> we downloaded a very small debian
[14:12] <Jaseman> it was like 40mb download
[14:12] <IT_Sean> ukscone: yup.
[14:12] * Caver is being sad and setting up qemu, so I can start making my own software SD cards to try on it anyway
[14:13] <Jaseman> i dont even know what qemu is
[14:13] <Jaseman> heard it mentioned a few times though
[14:13] <Jaseman> goodle search pending
[14:13] <Caver> it's a computer emulatoer
[14:14] <Caver> so you can emulate a arm cpu
[14:14] <IT_Sean> qemu = Quite Excellent Manly Underthings
[14:14] <IT_Sean> no? :p
[14:14] <Caver> ahahah
[14:14] <Caver> I like idea of manly
[14:14] <Jaseman> emulator
[14:14] <Jaseman> is it like a virtual machine?
[14:15] <Caver> yes
[14:15] <Caver> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qemu
[14:15] <Caver> could think of it as like vmware, but able to emulator all sorts of processors and architectures
[14:16] <IT_Sean> Quivering Edible Marzipan Underwear
[14:16] <Caver> <-- lunch - brb
[14:16] <IT_Sean> HAHA
[14:16] <Jaseman> ill just wait till the real thing comes along
[14:17] <Jaseman> i noticed with python....
[14:17] <IT_Sean> Speaking of... is VMWare any good? and how difficult is it to set up?
[14:17] <Jaseman> the processor really makes a difference to performance
[14:17] <Caver> back
[14:17] <Caver> vmware - yeah it's not bad
[14:17] <Jaseman> vmware used to be good....
[14:17] <ukscone> IT_Sean: depends on what you want to do and if you have cash to throw at it
[14:17] <Jaseman> but its crap under windows 7
[14:17] <Jaseman> because the NAT networking doesnt work
[14:18] <Caver> but I don't think you can emulate non PC architectures with it
[14:18] <ukscone> IT_Sean: if it is for personal use virtualbox is pretty good
[14:18] <IT_Sean> ukscone: my company has the cash to throw at it, and we need to get it running to support our customers that are too cheap to buy a proper server. :/
[14:18] <Jaseman> im very impressed with oracles virtual box thingy
[14:18] <ukscone> IT_Sean: then vmware is the way to go then
[14:18] <ukscone> it's the one all the corps use
[14:18] <Caver> I use vmware player all the time so I can have test windows XP/Vista/Server2003/7 setups
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it's what we are going to get. I just wanted to make sure i wasn't in for a world of pain when i went to set it up.
[14:18] <Jaseman> and the microsoft virtual pc aint bad either
[14:19] <Caver> virtual box is great, but I do wonder if oracle will screw it up, as they're not exactly doing well with everything else they got from sun
[14:19] <IT_Sean> Can i install it on Win 2008 Server (64 bit) ?
[14:19] <Caver> yes
[14:19] <Jaseman> well ive only run xp on it under win7 and its alot faster than doing it with vmware
[14:20] <Caver> IT_Sean - if the hardware support is right, ESXi is a lot more efficent
[14:20] <Caver> jaseman: did you install the proper vmware drivers on the virtual XP setup?
[14:20] <IT_Sean> we are installing VMWare. It's what most of our clients want to use. I just wanted to know if it was going to be a painful setup :p
[14:21] <Jaseman> yes
[14:21] <Caver> fair enough
[14:21] <Jaseman> it's okay once the thing has booted up
[14:21] <IT_Sean> So, i appricate the advice on alternatives, but, VMWare it is. the decision has been made above my head.
[14:21] <Caver> maybe windows 7 sucks as a host OS
[14:21] <Jaseman> but from the time you fire it up
[14:21] <Jaseman> you have to wait a long time
[14:21] <Caver> <-- using ubuntu and it works a treat
[14:22] <Jaseman> after you get past login...
[14:22] <Caver> though ... IMHO if you can put the virtual images on a SSD, it so worth it, as hard disk access is the main slow down on any emulated setup
[14:22] <Jaseman> and the start button appears
[14:22] <Jaseman> it takes ages until the menu is responsive
[14:22] <Jaseman> with vmware
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[14:22] <Caver> nods ... on my intel core2 3GHz ... from start to windows XP login prompt is about 4 seconds
[14:22] <IT_Sean> Basically, i just need to install our own app server on it, and make sure it works. I won't actually be USING it :p
[14:23] <Caver> IT: aha
[14:23] <Jaseman> its the part after login that is slow
[14:23] <IT_Sean> it just has to run SQL Server & our own soffware
[14:23] <Caver> :)
[14:23] <Jaseman> but once its settled down it runs okay
[14:23] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, it'll be fine
[14:23] <Caver> IT_Sean, if your running SQL - *defo* put it on something with good IOPS
[14:23] <Caver> or the performace will suck
[14:24] <Jaseman> has anyone ever used dosbox?
[14:24] <Caver> I have but not for a while
[14:24] <Jaseman> i wonder if you could run on msdos games under that on the pi
[14:24] <Caver> no
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[14:25] <Jaseman> i think dosdox can rnu on arm
[14:25] <Jaseman> dosbox rather
[14:25] <Caver> well it can, but as it can't do dynamic instruction translation it will be *sloooooow*
[14:26] <Caver> so your 700MHz arm will probably perform like a Pentium 100 ... *if* that
[14:26] <Jaseman> well for those old msdos games...
[14:26] <Jaseman> you need it to be slow
[14:26] <Caver> might do games like monkey island etc
[14:26] <rm> which will be fine for many DOS apps :)
[14:26] <Caver> true
[14:26] <Jaseman> i remember running up test drive 3 on a pentium 1
[14:26] <Caver> hehe time will tell I guess
[14:26] <Jaseman> it was hillarious
[14:26] <Caver> yeah ...
[14:26] <chris_99> thats not quite true Jaseman
[14:26] <Jaseman> the car travelled at lightning speed
[14:27] <chris_99> about it performing as well as a pentium
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[14:27] <Jaseman> it was designed in the days when you had a turbo button to go from 33mhz to 66
[14:27] <chris_99> oh sorry you were saying in an emulator
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[14:27] <rm> I imagined that someone would tell me in 1996, that a computer running the same thing as my new Pentium 100 will be size of a credit card and will consume 1 watt
[14:27] <rm> and you know what, I'd totally believe
[14:28] <rm> because it's in that wonderous future
[14:28] <rm> where everyone has flying cars and all :P
[14:28] <rm> I'd probably ask, "so it also plugs directly into the brain, right"
[14:28] <Jaseman> i thought computers would be in wrist watches by now
[14:29] <Jaseman> and the display would send wirelessly to your tv
[14:29] <IT_Sean> rm: it does... that's what the GPIO is for!
[14:29] <IT_Sean> it's really a neural brain interface
[14:29] <IT_Sean> SHHH!! SEEKRIT!
[14:29] <Jaseman> would be dangerous with my filthy mind
[14:29] <IT_Sean> tehehe
[14:30] <IT_Sean> Sooooo much poooorn.
[14:30] <Jaseman> thats the first thing ill do with my pi
[14:30] <Jaseman> get porn on it
[14:30] <Jaseman> everything else is secondary
[14:31] <Jaseman> can i save a text file on my sd card - who cares? just get some porn on
[14:31] <Hopsy> and, do we know the release date now? :p
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> Text can be porn!
[14:31] <Jaseman> no we dont
[14:31] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: NOOOO!
[14:31] <Hopsy> okay, clear :(
[14:31] <Hopsy> thanks :')
[14:31] <Jaseman> we all want to know that
[14:32] <datagutt_> Who will buy me one lol
[14:32] <datagutt_> I suspect myself
[14:32] <Jaseman> they will be like star wars figures
[14:32] <Jaseman> impossible to get hold on
[14:32] <IT_Sean> Listen up people (and noobs): The BEST source for RasPi release date info is the website. If you join the mailing list, you will be notified the MOMENT the RasPi goes on sale.
[14:33] <rm> well, not necessarily
[14:33] <IT_Sean> well... unless your email shits itself.
[14:33] <Jaseman> itll be easier to buy a buzz lightyear on christmas eve
[14:33] <rm> I don't see anyone promising instant and to the moment mailing list notify
[14:33] <IT_Sean> um... Liz has said that the mailing list will be used to notfiy you when the raspi is avail.
[14:34] <rm> yes but, "the MOMENT"?
[14:34] <rm> sure, an hour or two after it's on the shop
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Okay... perhaps not the EXACT femosecond....
[14:34] <rm> but no one promises to the second
[14:34] <Jaseman> i hope the first batch all have to get recalled
[14:34] <IT_Sean> why!?
[14:34] <Jaseman> and that i get one from the second batch
[14:34] <rm> also it takes a lot of time to just send out 60000 e-mails
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: don't be a twat.
[14:34] <rm> you typically can't do a lot in parallel
[14:34] <Jaseman> so i can wind up all these desperate people who cant wait
[14:35] <IT_Sean> Now now now, there is no need for you to be a dingleberry
[14:35] <Jaseman> i want that smaller version
[14:35] <Jaseman> the usb stick sized one
[14:36] <IT_Sean> too bad. you can't have the smaller version
[14:36] <rm> it was just a prototype
[14:36] <Jaseman> but that one was cooler
[14:36] <rm> model A is exactly the same size as B
[14:36] <IT_Sean> It's not enough for you to have a $35 dev board, is it? It needs to be small enough to fit in your arse?
[14:37] <Jaseman> well that wound be a bonus
[14:37] <Caver> ah and back to porn again
[14:37] * ReggieUK emails liz to make sure the board edges are extra sharpened by the workhouse kids
[14:37] <ukscone> i wuldn't be surprised if the usb stick format was resserected sometime
[14:37] <Caver> LOL
[14:37] <rm> don't underestimate the XXX industry's impact on new technology
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[14:37] <ukscone> the only reason it was dropped was cost of pcb and lack of gpio etc
[14:37] <Jaseman> you can connect a butt plug up to the gert board instead
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[14:38] <Jaseman> and hope the software doesnt crash
[14:38] <IT_Sean> A vibrating buttplug?
[14:38] <Jaseman> TURN IT OFF TURN IT OFF!!
[14:39] <Jaseman> yeah with led's on it
[14:39] * IT_Sean emails Liz and reminds her to add a "Not for anal use" sticker to every board
[14:39] <Jaseman> lol
[14:39] <Caver> rule 34 ... someone's gonna try it
[14:39] <ReggieUK> and a birthday card tune chip on it playing rick astley
[14:40] <ReggieUK> now that would be funny
[14:40] <Caver> ROFTL
[14:40] <ReggieUK> people open their boxes and get rickrolled
[14:40] <datagutt_> hahaha
[14:40] <Davespice> oh my word gents... lol
[14:40] <Jaseman> Glenn Medeiros would be better
[14:41] <Jaseman> nothing's gonna change my love for you
[14:41] <ukscone> hehehehhehehehehe liz said she was sick of stuffing envelopes with stickers and she was done finally :) i just ordered two more
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[14:41] * Caver roots around the back of the cupboard for the mind bleach
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Naah - playing Rick Astley - 'Together Forever'
[14:41] <Jaseman> who's going to buy a model a and a model b?
[14:41] <Caver> did you see Pi got another mention on arstechnica?
[14:41] * rm sings Khil's trololo song
[14:41] <IT_Sean> ukscone: you are evil.
[14:42] <Jaseman> i think i'll get a model a
[14:43] <datagutt_> model b ftw
[14:43] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yes i've been told that many tines although i prefer to think of myself as machivellian or maybe roveian
[14:43] <Jaseman> im interested to know what you can't do that the model b can
[14:43] <IT_Sean> evil.
[14:43] <Jaseman> in terms of software
[14:43] <IT_Sean> B FTW
[14:43] <ukscone> Jaseman: well the model A won't hurt as much when inserted anally as the usb slot doesn't stick up as much
[14:44] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: the B has ethernet, and more RAM than the A. Other than that, they are the same.
[14:44] <Caver> the lower ram will be a problem
[14:44] <Jaseman> i bet a lot of things will still work
[14:44] <ukscone> it's more like what the model a can do that the b can't
[14:44] <chris_99> you can't get a Model A out of the first 10,000 though Jaseman
[14:44] <Jaseman> i know that....
[14:44] <Caver> I wonder if you can disable the graphics side of it, and then get the full 128Mb to play with
[14:44] <ukscone> on the b you have a chip between the usb and soc which blocks a lot of hacks related to usb
[14:44] <Jaseman> i doubt ill get a model b from the first batch
[14:44] <Caver> synic!
[14:45] <chris_99> heh
[14:45] <Caver> I just hope I don't blow my 1st one up too quickly
[14:45] <Jaseman> maybe you can extend the ram using a usb stick
[14:45] <chris_99> i've decided i want to make a little cd ripping center/music player using mine
[14:45] <Jaseman> like windows can
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[14:46] <ukscone> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Relaunched-the-6502-microprocessor-1422007.html
[14:46] <Jaseman> how many cds do you have?
[14:46] <chris_99> thats not really extending the RAM Jaseman, just creating more swap space
[14:46] <Jaseman> call it what you like....
[14:46] <Jaseman> you know what i mean
[14:46] <victhor> swap != ram
[14:47] <victhor> what windows does is swapping.
[14:47] <Jaseman> well what im saying is....
[14:47] <Jaseman> maybe you can lift some weight off the innards
[14:47] <Jaseman> and put some load onto a usb stick
[14:47] <Caver> memory accesses over a USB bus are not going to be fast!
[14:48] <Jaseman> maybe fast isnt a requirement
[14:48] <victhor> it's not fast, it's so slow it'll become unusable!
[14:48] <Jaseman> it depends what the task is
[14:49] <Jaseman> you might say do this task.. ill be back in the morning to check how you're getting on
[14:49] <victhor> it will lower RAM usage if the swappiness level is high enough, but switching to background applications will become too slow
[14:49] <Jaseman> if you talk to your raspi that is
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[14:49] <chris_99> i wonder if you could solder another RAM chip onto it i'm guessing the surface mount pins are quite tiny though
[14:50] <Jaseman> somebody will make a ram pack for it
[14:50] <Jaseman> sooner or later
[14:50] <ReggieUK> for what?
[14:50] <ReggieUK> the pi
[14:50] <Caver> unlikely the memory is literally soldered under the main SoC chip
[14:50] <chris_99> oh is it, interesting
[14:50] <ReggieUK> it's a PoP configuration
[14:50] <Caver> it's the kind of soldering only a robot can do reliably!
[14:50] <victhor> it's on top
[14:50] <chris_99> PoP?
[14:50] <ReggieUK> package on package
[14:50] <Jaseman> gert could do it
[14:50] <chris_99> ah
[14:51] <Jaseman> what does gert look like
[14:51] <piofcube> Take a look at GPIO to MMC controllers... much slower than the normal RAM but seems much faster than USB
[14:51] <Caver> no drinking for a week
[14:51] <Jaseman> has anyone ever seen him>
[14:51] <Caver> steady the hands
[14:51] <Jaseman> hes like the stig
[14:51] <piofcube> Plus there's plenty of linux support for them
[14:51] <Caver> erm ... no I don't think so
[14:51] <ReggieUK> but it has mmc support on board
[14:51] <Jaseman> its time to hand it over to our untamed solderer
[14:52] <Caver> LOL
[14:52] <piofcube> I thought the MMC was already occupied with the SD and RAM?
[14:52] <ReggieUK> mmc is occupied with SD, didn't know about ram
[14:53] <piofcube> I was thinking that tapping into the existing MMC would be more of a problem than adding an extra onto the GPIO... Just a WAG ;-)
[14:54] <ReggieUK> but I'm not sure what the point is
[14:54] <victhor> what does MMC have to do with RAM?
[14:55] <IT_Sean> Some say his nose is a soldering iron, and when a RasPi boots successfully, one of his legs gets longer. All we know is he's called the GERT.
[14:55] <ReggieUK> and sparkfun do an sd breakout board if you want to get at the socket without hassle
[14:55] <Caver> What could possibly go wrong ...
[14:55] <piofcube> point could be to add extra memory for things that don't need fast r/w or add an extra SD card slot
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[14:57] <piofcube> victhor: From the little I've looked into it, there's some MMCs that have full linux support and will act as the interface to DIMMs and SD cards
[14:57] <Caver> cool
[14:57] <victhor> like those SATA ramdisks they had a while ago?
[14:58] <Caver> though doesn't the if your going to expand it that much, why not buy something chunkier to start with argument come into play?
[14:58] <Caver> aside from fun and general geekyness
[14:58] <victhor> once 512 MB RAM becomes less expensive they might start putting 512 MB
[14:58] <IT_Sean> Caver: fun,, and general geekyness
[14:59] <Jaseman> do you think they could make an EVEN cheaper version?
[14:59] <victhor> I know a PoP development board that used to be 256 MB but was upgraded to 512 MB with no price change. The price of the thing leads me to believe they have a huge profit margin
[14:59] <piofcube> Well... you could argue that if you have an expansion card which plugs into the GPIO, if at a later date you want to play with something else or the R-Pi breaks, you will still have the add-on to use next time.
[15:00] <Jaseman> im never going to use the GPIO
[15:00] <Jaseman> so i could have save a few quid there
[15:00] <victhor> sad they took out the I2S :(
[15:00] <Caver> well maybe *a* quid
[15:00] <piofcube> LOL
[15:00] <Jaseman> when the think cost ??20
[15:00] <Jaseman> 1 pound counts
[15:00] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[15:01] <Caver> depends how poor you are I guess
[15:01] <Jaseman> well lets face it....
[15:01] <Jaseman> if it was ??100
[15:01] <Jaseman> there would be much less interest
[15:02] <ReggieUK> doubtful it would've saved a quid
[15:02] <Caver> nods .. mainly as that price point starts to get into the other dev boards
[15:02] <ReggieUK> it would've cost them to have 2 designs
[15:02] <ReggieUK> what's the point?
[15:02] <piofcube> For most people, I don't think there's a need but it might just push newer DIY stuff forward... Hell, we might even get those RAM discs back... I really could do with a few of those but I couldn't find any for sale last time I looked... I used to have a few vesa local bus units which was great.
[15:02] <Tobias|> If it was that much, people'd be getting other boards, Jaseman
[15:02] <Jaseman> i just wonder whats the cheapest they could do
[15:02] <Caver> well 3 ... there's already A & B ...
[15:02] <ReggieUK> anyway, if you don't want the gpio on the pi, do this:
[15:02] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/01/25/custom-microcontroller-using-only-a-dremel/
[15:03] <victhor> remove all voltage regulators... you'd need a bunch of power supplies but the board would cost less
[15:04] <Jaseman> if you had one great psu.....
[15:04] <Jaseman> you wouldnt need any
[15:04] <victhor> use a computer power supply.
[15:04] <victhor> the only thing it lacks is 1.8V
[15:05] <Caver> whats 1.8V used for?
[15:05] <Jaseman> could you use a standard computer PSU to power it?
[15:05] <Jaseman> i have lots of those spare
[15:06] <victhor> sure... they have 5V. It's a waste of power thougj
[15:06] <piofcube> You could make your own bramble powered from one PSU LOL
[15:06] <Jaseman> it would be too bulky
[15:06] <victhor> some won't regulate properly if you have too little load on it though
[15:07] <Tobias|> Would probably be easiest just to use a couple of USB ports on a computer anyway
[15:07] <Jaseman> how about off a cigarette lighter?
[15:07] <piofcube> The small PSUs designed for smaller form factors should be better at handling smaller loads, right?
[15:07] <victhor> I don't see why not.
[15:08] <Jaseman> i just hope someone starts a seperate shop
[15:08] <Caver> Jaseman, wouldn't it catch fire
[15:08] <IT_Sean> They still may not regulate properly without the expected load, though.
[15:08] <Jaseman> selling pi accessories
[15:09] <piofcube> Power your usb hub and other stuff from it also?
[15:09] <Jaseman> docking station
[15:09] <Caver> mind you ... usb power source, SD card, cables, USB keyboard/mouse ... it's going to end up costing more than the actual board
[15:09] <Jaseman> raspberry pi docking station
[15:09] <Jaseman> oh yeah
[15:10] <Caver> :)
[15:11] <IT_Sean> Caver: except that a lot of people will already have spares lying around
[15:11] <piofcube> You could also make room for your ipad/android/etc on the docking station ;-)
[15:11] <Caver> IT_Sean: yeah ... just saying
[15:11] <Caver> the only HDMI device I've got is my main tv
[15:11] <IT_Sean> HDMI > DVI adapter?
[15:12] <Caver> perhaps .. but then no sound
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[15:12] <Caver> realistically I'm going to get it working, and then ssh in to it :)
[15:12] <IT_Sean> USB sound
[15:12] <Caver> lol then thats more bits to buy
[15:13] <piofcube> 3.5 jack to phono?
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Okay... this client is now 13 minutes late to a conference call that THEY scheduled
[15:13] <IT_Sean> They get two more minutes to join, then i am giving up.
[15:13] <Caver> mah more than 10, they can email and reschedule
[15:14] <IT_Sean> 14.5 minutes now
[15:14] <IT_Sean> 14.75
[15:14] * IT_Sean hangs up
[15:14] <Jaseman> how much does a network print server cost these days?
[15:14] <Caver> well the 2 uses I've got in mind are GPIO fun and games - all of which can be done over SSH and python
[15:15] <Caver> the other is as a xmbc, for which plugging it into the HDMI on the tv is fine
[15:15] <Caver> *especially* is HDMI CEC works
[15:15] <Caver> is = if
[15:15] <Jaseman> hmm 20-30 quid
[15:15] <Jaseman> raspberry pi is cheaper than a print server
[15:16] <Caver> heheh any wonder they looks like they are going to sell well
[15:16] <Jaseman> but I absolutely HATE CUPS
[15:17] <Caver> what about a mug then?
[15:17] <Jaseman> ha ha
[15:17] <Caver> ah LOL ... the printnig server
[15:17] <Jaseman> i assume you know what CUPS is
[15:18] <Caver> I do :P
[15:18] <IT_Sean> CUPS = Crappy [something] Print Server?
[15:18] <Jaseman> well you could use it a print server
[15:18] <Caver> CUPS is great right up until it doesn't do what you want plug and play wise ...
[15:18] <Jaseman> common unix printing system
[15:18] <Caver> unix ..
[15:18] <IT_Sean> I knew that. Crappy Unix Printing System
[15:18] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:19] <piofcube> Maybe if more printers had linux support it would be easier :S
[15:19] <Jaseman> you can defend it all you like but it just doesnt work as well as any windows shared printer
[15:19] <Caver> mmm well most modern printers do
[15:19] <piofcube> apart from many canons and kodaks to start with
[15:19] <Jaseman> windows printer drivers just work
[15:19] <Caver> are you talking about to connect from a windows machine?
[15:19] <Jaseman> yeah
[15:19] <Jaseman> we use debian servers.....
[15:19] <Caver> thats the problem *if* they supplied cups drivers ... do would cups!
[15:20] <Jaseman> with printers connected through cups
[15:20] <Caver> right
[15:20] <Jaseman> and the users are on windows
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[15:20] <Jaseman> causes all kinds of problems
[15:20] <Caver> well don't know ... same here no trouble to date - guess I've been lucky
[15:20] <Caver> but mainly HP printers
[15:20] <Jaseman> some printers are fine....
[15:20] <Jaseman> others not
[15:20] <Jaseman> we have an old hp5000 laserjet
[15:20] <Caver> one epson .. but as we tend to just have postscript ones ...
[15:21] <Jaseman> if you send a pdf to that through cups you only get page 1
[15:21] <Caver> it just pipes postscript to 'em and it just works (tm)
[15:21] <Jaseman> but if you send the print direct to the ip port
[15:21] <Jaseman> it prints the whole doc
[15:21] <Caver> surely the driver on the windows printer ought to convert it to the correct printer language
[15:22] <Caver> yeah ... windows driver problem there
[15:22] <Jaseman> something gets lost in translation somewhere
[15:22] <Jaseman> but using the same windows driver....
[15:22] <Jaseman> direct and not through cups works
[15:22] <Caver> turn on binary in cups then
[15:23] <Caver> will not touch the data
[15:23] <Jaseman> that might work...
[15:23] <Jaseman> but in windows you dont have to mess about so much
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[15:23] <Jaseman> things - just work!
[15:23] <piofcube> Anyone remember when microsoft were going to ditch ascii/ansi and bring out their own standard? Just so people couldn't communicate between other OSes and Windows? O_o
[15:24] <Caver> piofcube, lol .. no never heard that one!
[15:24] <Jaseman> ansi was really useful
[15:24] <Jaseman> in batch files
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[15:24] <piofcube> IIRC this was pre WFWG
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[15:25] <Caver> ahh
[15:25] <Caver> before the days of UTF
[15:25] <piofcube> :-)
[15:25] <Caver> thank god for that - any charactor you like and no code pages ... :)
[15:25] * Caver remembers the dark days of 9 pin epson printers and the murder it was to get f**king windows to print a ?? correctly
[15:26] <Jaseman> when i was 7 years old i saw a diagram in a BBC micro book showing a grid
[15:26] <Jaseman> to explain how the pixels have x and y
[15:26] <Jaseman> i just wanted to draw that grid on the screen
[15:26] <Jaseman> but it didnt do that
[15:26] <Jaseman> i was very dissapointed
[15:27] <piofcube> I remember my first scanner... It was a senser you stuck on the print head of the dot matrix printer I had LMAO
[15:27] <Jaseman> a friend of mine gave me a thermal printer for my spectrum - free of charge
[15:28] <Jaseman> i loved that printer
[15:28] <Jaseman> everything came out blue on a toilet paper sized roll
[15:29] <piofcube> Yeah... I thought those were great until you started to realise the cost of the paper... Mine took a roll of fax paper so my sheets were always different sizes LOL
[15:30] <Jaseman> i always wanted a microdrive for my spectrum
[15:30] <piofcube> Use to love the golf-ball printers though... great print quality
[15:30] <Jaseman> but they were too expensive
[15:30] <piofcube> used**
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[15:30] <ReggieUK> and tehy were loud
[15:30] <ReggieUK> not as loud as band printers though
[15:31] <Jaseman> http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/images/microdrives.jpg
[15:31] <Jaseman> i think i just liked that it had the spectrum colours on the corner
[15:31] <Jaseman> that was what attracted me to it
[15:32] <Jaseman> someone should mod one of those into an sd card reader
[15:34] <Jaseman> i think you could dasiychain up to 8 of them to one spectrum
[15:34] <Jaseman> i imagine anyone with such a set up would know how it feels to be god
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[15:38] <Caver> a microdrive?
[15:38] <Jaseman> yeah it was one of those objects of desire for me
[15:39] <Jaseman> that you always want and never manage to own
[15:39] <Jaseman> like a porsche 911
[15:39] <Caver> *grins*
[15:39] <Caver> good man ... yeah I always lusted after a proper floppy drive for my BBC Model B
[15:39] <Jaseman> maybe i should hunt one down
[15:39] <IT_Sean> Which, a microdrive, or a 911?
[15:39] <Jaseman> just to put that to rest finally
[15:39] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:39] <Jaseman> both!
[15:40] <Jaseman> a microdrive - in a 911
[15:40] <Caver> phooor
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Just make sure the 9112 is left had drive. the RHD models don't have a place to put your left foot, due to the placement of the fuel tank.
[15:40] <Caver> mounted in the center of the dash
[15:40] <IT_Sean> *911
[15:41] <Jaseman> do they have a glove box?
[15:41] <Jaseman> to keep your microdrive in
[15:41] <Caver> LOL I can see a retro 80's car tv program comming on
[15:41] <IT_Sean> Of course they do! :p
[15:41] <Jaseman> thats ok then
[15:41] <IT_Sean> You can also keep gloves in it!
[15:41] <Caver> who needs airwolf, when you can have your 911 with microdrive power
[15:41] <IT_Sean> (am i the only one that keeps gloves in the glove box?)
[15:41] <Jaseman> you'll never press the rubber keys with gloves on
[15:42] <IT_Sean> I love my car. All the buttons are glove sized.
[15:42] <IT_Sean> (i.e. easily pressed w/ big heavy winter gloves on)
[15:42] <Jaseman> is it made by fisher price?
[15:42] <IT_Sean> no.
[15:43] <Jaseman> what is it?
[15:43] <IT_Sean> 1986 BMW M5.
[15:43] <Jaseman> nice
[15:43] <Caver> heheh what millage?
[15:43] <Jaseman> I have a 2002 audi a4
[15:43] <IT_Sean> Caver: about 200k
[15:43] <Jaseman> mine is 78k
[15:43] <Caver> cool ... always fun to have something mega miles and still working
[15:44] * Caver mine is 147k
[15:44] <IT_Sean> To be fair... the engine internals have had a going over.
[15:44] <Caver> oh yes?
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Cylinders have been bored out and a custom camshaft fitted to increase displacmenet from 3.5L to 4L
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Also running a less restricitive intake manifold and exhaust headers.
[15:44] <Jaseman> and a sinclair microdrive fitted ;-)
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Suspension has had a going over as well.
[15:45] <Caver> LOL @ 3.5L to 4L ...
[15:45] <Caver> right ... so not quite new, but not too far off it :P
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Gearbox and rear limited slip diff are 100% origional, however.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> why is that funny?
[15:45] <Jaseman> i bet the insurance is high
[15:45] <Jaseman> and tax
[15:45] <Caver> depends how old you are and where you live I guess
[15:45] <Jaseman> my tax disc is stupidly expensive
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: nope. Not really. And we don't pay tax here based on displacment, so...
[15:46] <IT_Sean> I live in the US. So, no road tax.
[15:46] <Caver> yeah lucky git!
[15:46] <Jaseman> ah kewl dude
[15:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:46] <Jaseman> didn't realise that
[15:46] <Caver> ??215 for a years tax here
[15:46] <ctyler> They just build the road tax into the fuel price.
[15:46] <Jaseman> im going to california in may
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Well, yes.
[15:46] <IT_Sean> But, the point is, there is no road tax based on the sort of engine you have :p
[15:46] <Jaseman> 15 awesome days of road trip
[15:47] <Jaseman> L.A., vegas, yosemite, san fran. and back to L.A.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> I am paying the same fuel tax as everyone else on the road. At, least everyone else that's running 96 octane.
[15:47] <Jaseman> a few days in santa monica at the end
[15:47] <Jaseman> i cant wait!
[15:47] <Caver> yeah a car in america is sorta not optional
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[15:48] <Caver> I think you guys have a lot cheaper mechanics too
[15:48] <Jaseman> well ill have something mid sized from alamo
[15:48] <IT_Sean> I'd have a car wherever i lived. I don't like taking public transport.
[15:48] <Jaseman> pontiac grand hunk
[15:48] <IT_Sean> I wouldn''t have a tuned M5 anywhere, of course, but, i would have some sort of car.
[15:48] <zer0her0> i'm an american and i can take or leave cars
[15:48] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[15:48] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> HAHA!
[15:49] <zer0her0> i grew up in DC and NYC, love "good" public transportation, most US cities have horrible public transportation.
[15:49] <Jaseman> i should own a rasperry pi before i go to america (sigh)
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[15:50] <Jaseman> im going to sleep with it for the first night
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: remember, double penetration of the USB port will void the warrenty
[15:50] <Jaseman> lol
[15:50] <Caver> lol ... be nice to it and at least bag it 1st
[15:50] <Caver> (static bag)
[15:51] <Jaseman> ill rest it on the pillow at my side....
[15:51] <Jaseman> and when i wake in the morning
[15:51] <Caver> Jaseman can only double penatrate if it's a model d
[15:51] <Caver> *b
[15:51] <Jaseman> ill have the GPIO in my cheek
[15:51] <Jaseman> and all the pins will be bent
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[15:52] <IT_Sean> Caver: HAHA!
[15:52] <Jaseman> who's getting a raspberry logo tatoo?
[15:52] <IT_Sean> Well... *All* the pins? let's not give him that much credit.
[15:52] <Caver> lol no GPIO pins on the production one ...
[15:52] <Caver> only the beta's
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: GPIO ALL THE PINS
[15:52] <Caver> solder pads = yup
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Didn't Liz or Eben say something about hte first batch having GPIO pins due to a miscommuncation @ the factory?
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Or was that just on the beta boards?
[15:54] <Jaseman> why woundlt you want pins on it?
[15:54] <ReggieUK> gertboards will be screwed without gpio won't they?
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: the intent is to NOT have the pins presoldered, because everyone wants a different arrangment
[15:54] <ReggieUK> ahh
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Some people want straight ones
[15:54] <ReggieUK> that's fine then
[15:54] <IT_Sean> some people want 90 bends
[15:55] <IT_Sean> some people like it on top
[15:55] <Jaseman> well i want pins
[15:55] <Caver> yeah not everyone is straight
[15:55] <IT_Sean> some people perefer the bottom
[15:55] <Jaseman> and jumpers too
[15:55] <Jaseman> got to have some jumperrs
[15:55] <Caver> hands up who wants bottom?
[15:55] <IT_Sean> so, it will be up to you to source the sort of pin header you want and solder it yourself
[15:55] <Jaseman> can you solder mine for me?
[15:55] <Jaseman> if i send it to you?
[15:55] <ReggieUK> I'll do it
[15:56] <Caver> yeah sure
[15:56] <ReggieUK> 12month turnaround
[15:56] <IT_Sean> You can send it to me :p
[15:56] <Caver> top/bottom, straight / 90 deg
[15:56] <Jaseman> hmm on second thoughts
[15:56] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:57] <Jaseman> im going to have lego technic beams on the edge of my pi
[15:57] <IT_Sean> I prefer not having the pins on from the factory.
[15:57] <Jaseman> so it can be clipped onto something with wheels
[15:58] <Aquilus_> Haha
[15:58] <Aquilus_> Connect it by wifi and use batteries, then drive it around.
[15:58] <Aquilus_> Now *that* would be a portable media center :p
[15:58] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:59] <IT_Sean> put a camera on it, and just program it to follow you around while playing a thumping bass line?
[15:59] <Jaseman> i might modify my son's lego train set
[15:59] <Jaseman> and fit it to that
[15:59] <Caver> *grins*
[15:59] <Caver> does anyone know about the camera options for it
[16:00] <Caver> I know there is a CSI or something port but nothing more about it
[16:00] <Jaseman> usb
[16:00] <Caver> yeah USB is an option, just trying to avoid that
[16:00] <Caver> I'm guessing CSI is some kind of standard
[16:01] <Jaseman> you planning to make a toilet cam or something?
[16:01] <Caver> ahaha
[16:01] <piofcube> LOL... put a dynamo on the flush to power the r-pi LMAO
[16:01] <Jaseman> you wont store much footage on an sd card
[16:02] <Jaseman> youll have to stream it via the internet
[16:02] <rm> there are 32 GB SD cards
[16:02] <Caver> no but can stream forever to the ethernet port
[16:02] <IT_Sean> There will, supposidly, be a camera addon later
[16:02] <IT_Sean> and... please... no toilet cams.
[16:02] <Jaseman> well you would be better off just having a long wire on the usb camera
[16:02] <IT_Sean> Noone wants to see that.
[16:03] <Caver> something like https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pas.webcam but I could motorise it
[16:03] <Caver> rule 34 remember ...
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[16:04] <Jaseman> keyboard = ??6
[16:04] * IT_Sean shudders
[16:04] <IT_Sean> I hate rule 34
[16:04] <Jaseman> psu = ??3
[16:04] <Jaseman> hdmi = ??2
[16:05] <Jaseman> monitor = ??80
[16:05] <IT_Sean> why is Jaseman pricing things?
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: But Rule 34 loves you. Very much.
[16:05] <IT_Sean> MartijnVdS: ::shudder::
[16:05] <IT_Sean> rule 34 loves you long time?
[16:05] <Jaseman> its going to cost ??110
[16:05] <Jaseman> for a complete raspberry
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: No.
[16:06] <Jaseman> with all accessories
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Most people already HAVE that stuff lying around
[16:06] <Jaseman> you think so?
[16:06] <Thorn_> also your pricing sucks
[16:06] <Thorn_> psu99p
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Yes. And yes, it does.
[16:06] <Jaseman> its approx
[16:06] <Thorn_> hdmi cable 99p
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: it's in't even close
[16:06] <Thorn_> monitor ??40 brand new
[16:07] <Jaseman> including postage?
[16:07] <Thorn_> yes
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> from China
[16:07] <Jaseman> hdmi monitor for ??40?
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> made by little children
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> in a sweatshop
[16:07] <Jaseman> lets see a link to that
[16:07] <Thorn_> Jaseman: nobody said it had to work
[16:08] <Jaseman> it has to work
[16:08] <Jaseman> and who wants a minging old used keyboard?
[16:08] <Thorn_> you can get new keyboards for a quid in any bargain bin
[16:08] <Jaseman> with someone elses pubes and food oozing out the keys?
[16:08] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: stop being a dingletwat
[16:08] <Jaseman> ??1 usb keyboard?
[16:08] <Jaseman> link please
[16:09] <Thorn_> i said at in any bargain bin
[16:09] <ReggieUK> www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[16:09] <IT_Sean> THANK you ReggieUK
[16:09] <Thorn_> -at
[16:09] <Jaseman> i cant find one for that price
[16:09] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: then you aren't looking hard enough
[16:10] <Thorn_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-USB-Multimedia-Keyboard-Solutions/dp/B000W0IZKU/ref=sr_1_21?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327590566&sr=1-21
[16:10] <Thorn_> 10 pence! 2 new
[16:10] <Jaseman> wow!
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[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> delivery wil kill you though
[16:11] <IT_Sean> RaTTuS|BIG: yes, but if you can find one online for 10p, you should be able to find one in person for ??1
[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> however - depening on where you live it may be worth your time to wander down to a market
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[16:11] <Jaseman> yeah thats bull
[16:12] <Jaseman> 11.99 postage!
[16:12] <Jaseman> the cheapest decent and new keyboard ive seen is ??6
[16:12] <Jaseman> including postage
[16:13] <Jaseman> logitech
[16:13] <Jaseman> from amazon
[16:13] <Thorn_> oh now he wants decent too
[16:13] <DaQatz> Define "decent"
[16:13] <Jaseman> well 'reasonable'
[16:13] <Jaseman> clean
[16:13] <Jaseman> and good quality
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Just ignore him. You are feeding the troll at this point
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Jaseman: buy a gruddy one and clean it yourself
[16:14] <DaQatz> Trolls gotta eat.
[16:14] <Jaseman> i'd rather pay the 6 quid
[16:14] <Thorn_> well aren't you upper class then
[16:14] <Thorn_> i'm sure the ??110 for that full raspberry pi shouldn't bother you
[16:14] <Jaseman> well its only the monitor.....
[16:14] <Jaseman> thats the bulk of the cost
[16:15] <Jaseman> without monitor its like ??30
[16:15] <Jaseman> which is acceptable
[16:16] <Jaseman> might be able to get a dvi monitor and an adapter cheaper
[16:16] <ukscone> i think i might be going nuts
[16:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> get yourself down to tesco , asda , morrisons and pick up a bargin [monitors] - or a local market for mice and keyboards and hdmi leads
[16:17] <ukscone> i just had a 10 minute conversation with the cats and actually expected them to say sorry when i said "i'm not as green as i'm cabbage looking"
[16:17] <ukscone> when i told them off for tring to sneak the treats bag
[16:17] <Jaseman> its not that I personally am on a tight budget.....
[16:17] <Jaseman> it just interests me how cheap you can get one
[16:18] <Jaseman> i forgot to add ??9.99 for the sd card
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[16:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/MultiMedia-SD-Cards-Memory-Readers-Peripherals/b?ie=UTF8&node=296791011
[16:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> ??5.52 for 8GB class 4
[16:19] <Jaseman> i want 16gb
[16:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> i want i want i want ..... ;-p
[16:19] <Jaseman> i perrsonally would struggle with only 8 gb
[16:19] <Caver> hehehe
[16:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> go for 2Gb and use an 2" notebook drive.....
[16:20] <Jaseman> linux would eat most of that
[16:20] <DaQatz> You say "Oh but I have money issues." Then you say "But I want blah blah..."
[16:20] <DaQatz> Choose one.
[16:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> choose life
[16:20] <Jaseman> choose pi
[16:20] <Thorn_> struggle with 8gb? what are you intsalling, sabayon ??
[16:20] <Thorn_> installing*
[16:21] <Jaseman> well i want some mp3's on there
[16:21] <Jaseman> and videos and stuff
[16:21] <Jaseman> pictures
[16:21] <Caver> so stream them off your main machine
[16:21] <Caver> no point storing it all twice
[16:21] <Aquilus_> NAS is where it's at.
[16:21] <Caver> smbmount
[16:21] <DaQatz> Magic!
[16:21] <ReggieUK> has there been another outbreak of fucktardary on the internetz? someone call the cdc
[16:21] <Caver> or if you do ... USB storage will be fine
[16:21] <Caver> ReggieUK, yup!
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[16:22] <Caver> of course if you've got a phone, you can always plug that into the usb port and stream the mp3's off it...
[16:22] <Caver> most phones will allow themselves to be mounted as a filesystem
[16:23] * Caver has a EEE which runs just *fine* with 4Gb
[16:23] <Jaseman> but my useb ports will be full
[16:23] <Jaseman> one with a logitech wireless keyboard/mouse thingy
[16:23] <Jaseman> the other one....
[16:23] <Jaseman> not sure
[16:23] <Caver> *troll*
[16:24] <Caver> so ... it's not full then
[16:24] <Jaseman> ok....
[16:24] <Jaseman> i guess i will put usb hard drive in the other usb port
[16:24] <Jaseman> so storage space wont be an issie
[16:24] <Jaseman> issue
[16:24] <rm> there are 10-port and 13-port USB hubs now
[16:24] <rm> not to mention you can plug a hub into a hub
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> rm: they're actually just stacked 4-port Hubs internally
[16:25] <rm> up to 127 devices total
[16:25] <Jaseman> but personally i already have 4 x 16gb microsd cards
[16:25] <rm> MartijnVdS, exactly :)
[16:25] <DaQatz> Or solder another SD card port to the gpio!
[16:25] <DaQatz> Yay fun
[16:25] <Jaseman> with an sd card adapter
[16:25] <Caver> nods .. my idea is defo to have a powered hub, so that can do the Pi's power
[16:25] <Caver> and then your not really constrained the number of devices you wanna plug in
[16:25] <Jaseman> i dont want a usb hub
[16:25] <Jaseman> theres already enough wires and stuff dangling off the thing
[16:26] <Caver> I could for example plug in my usb SATA thing, and then I get what ever sized hard disk I fancy
[16:26] <Caver> not very fast, but would work
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[16:26] <Jaseman> yeah i think thats a good idea
[16:26] <Jaseman> if you want to play movies
[16:26] <ReggieUK> or stream across a network
[16:27] <Jaseman> i've got a 1.5tb seagate 2.5" drive full of movies
[16:27] <Caver> I got mine for ??10 from a charity shop, I'm sure their not too expensive online
[16:27] <Jaseman> ill plug that in and play them though xbmc
[16:27] <Jaseman> or vlcplayer if it can run that
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[16:27] <Caver> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-2-0-SATA-IDE-cable-HDD-Dynamode-USB-SI-C-/390313712522#vi-content
[16:27] <Jaseman> anyone shown the pi running vlc player yet?
[16:28] <Caver> don't think so
[16:28] <rm> that's bulky
[16:28] <Jaseman> more so than xbmc?
[16:28] <Jaseman> ive never used xbmc
[16:28] <Caver> rm: the sata thing?
[16:29] <Jaseman> my hard drive's an external jobbie already
[16:29] <Jaseman> in an encloruse
[16:29] <Jaseman> i dont need a sata converter
[16:29] <Jaseman> its got usb 3
[16:29] <Caver> thats ok then
[16:30] <Jaseman> its powered from the usb port
[16:30] <Jaseman> hope thats not a problem for the pi
[16:30] <Caver> xbmc - used it on a modded xbox 1, which worked fine, but the xbox was too loud really
[16:30] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/326042668-HDD-Docking-Station-3-5-2-5-HDD-Dock-HUB-CF-SD-MS-XD-card-reader-wholesalers.html
[16:30] <rm> Caver, yes
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[16:30] <rm> it's just a bunch of some cables you lay out on a table or whatever
[16:30] <Caver> rm: thats very like the one I've got
[16:31] <rm> the thing I linked at least looks like an actual stationary device
[16:31] <Caver> yeah ... and it gives you so many options
[16:32] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/479901952-Free-Shipping-Multi-Function-2-5-3-5-2x-SATA-1x-IDE-HDD-Docking-Station-Clone-wholesalers.html
[16:32] <rm> here's for two SATA
[16:32] <Caver> Jaseman, ought not to- but will depend on the "strength" of your PSU ... mode of the external docking stations have their own PSU so will draw very little power on the usb
[16:32] <Caver> mode = most
[16:32] <rm> these things look like ultimate rPi companions :)
[16:32] <Caver> yup
[16:32] <rm> and you can even power the rPi from an USB port on them
[16:32] <Jaseman> thats cool
[16:32] <Caver> the one I've got has USB sound as well
[16:33] <rm> (maybe)
[16:33] <Jaseman> i guess you cant hotswap those hard drives
[16:33] <Jaseman> you have to power down
[16:33] <rm> depends
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[16:34] <Caver> yeah you can hotswap, just tell them to power off before you remove
[16:34] <Caver> you do it with the hdparm command
[16:34] <Jaseman> is that a linux command?
[16:34] <Caver> yes
[16:35] <Jaseman> so storage is definately not a problem then
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[16:35] <Jaseman> how about a dvd rom drive?
[16:36] <Caver> hdpram -S I think ... to be honest these days I just use the Disk Utility to switch it off before removal
[16:36] <Jaseman> you might want to connect one of those
[16:36] <Jaseman> although i tend to rip them to iso files
[16:36] <Caver> you want to use a Pi for ripping?!
[16:36] <Jaseman> but you have to rip them first from the dvd
[16:36] <Caver> might be a tad slow
[16:36] <rm> it might just work
[16:37] <Caver> again, usb SATA ... there are lots of SATA DVD drives
[16:37] <Jaseman> i would most likely rip them using another pc
[16:37] <Jaseman> to iso file
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[16:37] <Jaseman> put them on the usb drive and only play them through the pi
[16:37] <Caver> well once you can get the Pi to access it .. your away
[16:37] <Caver> yup
[16:38] <Jaseman> i wonder if i could survive with only a raspi
[16:38] <Jaseman> and no other computer
[16:38] <Jaseman> i might try it for a week
[16:38] <rm> that'd be an interesting endeavor
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: It's limited.
[16:38] <Caver> LOL ... would try!
[16:38] <rm> to me the most painful issue would be the small RAM
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: My ~1999 laptop is faster.
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[16:38] <LiENUS> raspberry pi for sale!?!
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Though less memory.
[16:39] <Jaseman> i suppose it depends what you need to do
[16:39] <LiENUS> rm 256 is a ton of ram
[16:39] <LiENUS> 256MB*
[16:39] <LiENUS> or is it 256 megabits?
[16:39] <rm> I have 8 GB both in my desktop and in my server
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> bytes
[16:39] <Jaseman> stop being so bloody perdantic
[16:39] <Jaseman> you know full well what he meant!
[16:39] <Tobias|> pedantic*
[16:40] <LiENUS> Jaseman, me?
[16:40] <LiENUS> lol
[16:40] <Thorn_> lol
[16:40] <LiENUS> @ Tobias|
[16:40] <Jaseman> whatever!
[16:40] <noname^^> it's loads for any custom written, single application
[16:41] <Jaseman> i cant stand that when people are picking at someone because they made a slight error
[16:41] <noname^^> but it's def the most limiting factor if you wanted to use it as a general purpose computer
[16:41] <noname^^> with stock linux software
[16:41] <LiENUS> i remember using a compy with 24MB ram running windows 98 heh
[16:41] <noname^^> like say, a browser
[16:41] <Jaseman> im starting to think minimal
[16:41] <Jaseman> less is more
[16:41] <Jaseman> keep it simple
[16:41] <Caver> it's modern browsers that are to be honest just about a complete OS in themselves by the time you've got flash etc running
[16:42] <Jaseman> back to basics
[16:42] <Caver> are so heavy weight
[16:42] <Caver> I think the lack of flash will be a problem
[16:42] <Caver> at least to begin with for that
[16:42] <Jaseman> can you run facebook without flash?
[16:42] <Caver> no prontube :P
[16:42] <Jaseman> i mean just basic facebook
[16:42] <Caver> for the most part - yes
[16:42] <Caver> it's just html and javascript
[16:42] <ReggieUK> if you're going to use the pi for facebook, you really should be punched
[16:42] <ReggieUK> hard
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[16:43] <Caver> ReggieUK, ahahaha
[16:43] <ReggieUK> untill you apologise
[16:43] <LiENUS> ReggieUK, why not?
[16:43] <Caver> now now ... each to their own
[16:43] <Jaseman> do it
[16:43] <LiENUS> buy one raspi for facebook
[16:43] <Jaseman> hit me
[16:43] <LiENUS> one for myspace
[16:43] <LiENUS> one for slashdot
[16:43] <LiENUS> one for cnn
[16:43] <LiENUS> yer still only at like 100%
[16:43] <Tobias|> I'd prefer people used a raspberry pi for facebook than bought $2000 facebook machines, ReggieUK
[16:43] <LiENUS> get a kvm and just switch to what website you wanna browse
[16:43] <ReggieUK> I couldn't give a shit about other machines and facebook
[16:43] <Jaseman> some of us like to use facebook
[16:44] <Jaseman> from time to time
[16:44] <noname^^> oh there's flash for arm. not sure it's the right arm-version for raspberry pi though
[16:44] <Jaseman> and if you're living off a pi for a week
[16:44] <noname^^> but it feels like most sites are abandoning flash anyway
[16:44] <ReggieUK> Yup, Jaseman, you most certainly seem like a facebook type
[16:44] <Jaseman> you might want to check whats happening on your wall
[16:44] <Caver> ReggieUK, you have met modern kids? facebook is kinda part of basic life to them
[16:44] <Jaseman> its called socializing
[16:45] <Caver> noname^^, yes they are - at last
[16:45] <Tobias|> Caver, quiet you! People who use this hardware on that website need punching! Raagh
[16:45] <ReggieUK> see, there was me thinking that socialising consisted of talking to people in real life
[16:45] <ReggieUK> go figure
[16:45] <Tobias|> </not a moron at all>
[16:45] <Caver> it's really video that still uses flash on the whole
[16:45] <Caver> says the man on irc :P
[16:45] <Jaseman> real life? whats that?
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[16:45] <Jaseman> digital is just as real as anything else
[16:45] <Jaseman> its still a person at the other end
[16:46] <ReggieUK> oh right, so cos I'm on irc, you think that's me socialising and of course my life revolves around it
[16:46] <Jaseman> communicating
[16:46] <Caver> nope, just saying it's a *part* of socialising
[16:46] <Jaseman> well if i want to run facebook on my pi i will
[16:47] <Caver> however I'd still maintain kids and facebook and Pi *is* going to happen
[16:47] <Jaseman> and i dont care what you think
[16:47] <Jaseman> i dont have any issue with what you do with your pi
[16:47] <Tobias|> Jaseman, you're trying to please a guy who things people using arbitrary hardware on an arbitrary website should be physically assaulted
[16:48] <Tobias|> thinks*
[16:48] <ReggieUK> you and sightlight should make a facepipad
[16:48] <Jaseman> yes we will
[16:48] <Caver> uhuh
[16:48] <Jaseman> and we will send you an invite
[16:48] <Jaseman> so we can all look over circuit diagrams together
[16:48] <Jaseman> and while away the fun hours
[16:49] <ReggieUK> yeah, cos I can't do that right now, without all those things....
[16:50] <Jaseman> what are you going to be doing with your pi Reggie?
[16:50] <ReggieUK> me, well, I was thinking about making it into a control system for my motorised telescope mount
[16:50] <Jaseman> what nobel project
[16:50] <DaQatz> I will use mine to take over world.
[16:50] <noname^^> you probably need two for that
[16:50] <Thorn_> I will use mine to take over the overworld.
[16:51] <Caver> cool ... with a GIRT board or something of your own design?
[16:51] <ReggieUK> that would be automatic focusing on the telescope itself (stepper motors), control of temperature of the telescopes, cloud detection etc.
[16:51] <Caver> a stepper moter drive would be a lot of fun
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[16:52] <noname^^> it's funny that the rpi is so cheap that you can use it for things like that xD
[16:52] <noname^^> I mean, it's SO OVERPOWERED for that application xD
[16:52] <noname^^> 700MHz yawns at stepper motor control
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[16:52] <ReggieUK> yeah, it's not just moving a stepper motor you dullard :D
[16:53] <ReggieUK> automatic focusing, means image analysing, adjusting focus
[16:53] <DaQatz> Add wifi do it remotely
[16:53] <noname^^> oh, "cloud detection" sounds pretty heavy
[16:53] <Caver> groans
[16:53] <noname^^> still
[16:53] <Jaseman> you're so hostile Reggie
[16:54] <ReggieUK> a week of trolls and bots can get you like that
[16:54] <noname^^> it's so cheap you could, if you wanted to, use it as a ethernet controlled light switch
[16:54] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, you should show them what hostile is.
[16:54] <Caver> yeah with a good punching
[16:55] * ReggieUK has already counted to ten, so FO the lot of you :)
[16:55] <Caver> :P
[16:55] <noname^^> "dullard", I'm appalled
[16:55] <Jaseman> i just reason that its human nature
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[16:55] <Jaseman> that a lot of people are 'unfriendlies'
[16:56] <ReggieUK> some people just don't suffer fools gladly
[16:56] <Jaseman> only about 99% of people
[16:56] <DaQatz> Jaseman, ReggieUK is fine when you have been sitting around poking him with a stick ahile.
[16:56] <Jaseman> and the nice ones are always too busy to give you the time of day
[16:56] <DaQatz> Keep it up and he may just spill some hot tea on you.
[16:57] <Jaseman> better to skip a stage and take the water from teh kettle
[16:57] * ReggieUK enters teh room with a tray full of hot cups of tea
[16:57] <noname^^> uh oh
[16:58] <Jaseman> welcome to history today
[16:58] <DaQatz> My plot worked! Grabs a cup of tea, sits back and sips.
[16:58] <Jaseman> with professor f.j. reggie
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[16:58] * Caver gets the chocolate biscuits
[16:58] <wiiguy> too bad wine and/or mono will work on it :(
[16:58] * ReggieUK kicks DaQatz chair leg as he walks past
[16:58] * ReggieUK chuckles
[16:58] <DaQatz> >.>
[16:59] <Jaseman> you know that 256mb ram.....
[16:59] <noname^^> wiiguy, why is that bad?
[16:59] <Jaseman> thats YOU that is!
[16:59] <Jaseman> thats your brain capacity
[16:59] <ReggieUK> who's?
[16:59] <wiiguy> if it could run it, i could play worms armaggedon on it :p
[16:59] <Jaseman> just kidding
[16:59] <noname^^> wiiguy, I think you accidently a not
[16:59] <ReggieUK> coming from the guy who couldn't find a ??1 keyboard on the internet
[16:59] <noname^^> accidentally even
[16:59] <wiiguy> ?
[16:59] <Jaseman> you still havent found one
[17:00] <noname^^> "<wiiguy> too bad wine and/or mono will work on it :("
[17:00] <Jaseman> you found a 10p one with 11.99 postage
[17:00] <Jaseman> what f****in use is that?
[17:00] <wiiguy> oops
[17:00] <wiiguy> i meant wont yeah :p
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[17:00] <noname^^> mono will work just fine
[17:00] <noname^^> I'm guessing
[17:00] <noname^^> it even has JIT for arm
[17:00] <noname^^> not sure what version of arm it can target though
[17:01] <wiiguy> hmm will have to try it then
[17:01] <noname^^> could be cool for custom apps, but I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to random .NET applications
[17:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Variety-5-keyboards-/230734929385?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item35b8df9de9#ht_500wt_1230
[17:01] <noname^^> most of them aren't AnyCPU anyway
[17:02] <Jaseman> 'collection only'
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[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-qwerty-keyboard-/230734678646?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item35b8dbca76#ht_500wt_1230
[17:02] <Caver> Jaseman, are you near any big towns?
[17:02] <Jaseman> im not near nottingham
[17:02] <Jaseman> im between chester and wrexham
[17:03] <Jaseman> in the leafy suburb of gresford
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[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> there are markets in both chester and wexham ...
[17:03] <Jaseman> next time im tehre.....
[17:03] <Jaseman> ill have a look whats teh cheapest keyboard i can find
[17:05] <Caver> just to ask the obvious question ... whats wrong with the one your typing on?
[17:05] <Jaseman> youre missing the point....
[17:05] <Jaseman> ive got a box full of usb keyboards
[17:05] <Jaseman> what im saying is... if you didnt have any of the stuff
[17:05] <Jaseman> whats the lowest price you can get it
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[17:06] <Jaseman> i wonder if you put an add in the paper
[17:06] <Jaseman> usb keyboard wanted
[17:06] <Jaseman> for free to a good home
[17:07] <Jaseman> someone might reply
[17:08] <Jaseman> actually im sure any weeee recycling centre would happily give me one for free
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[17:10] <Jaseman> there's not much excuse for not owning a computer when you think about it
[17:10] <Jaseman> unless you just dont want one
[17:10] <piofcube> And those that perhaps shouldn't LOL
[17:11] <Jaseman> i cant understand anyone that wouldnt want a computer
[17:11] <Jaseman> i just cant understand it
[17:12] <Jaseman> they should just round up everyone that hasnt got one and shoot them
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[17:12] <Jaseman> even my mum's got one!
[17:12] <piofcube> Many people blame technology for problems and don't realise it's what the people use them for that is the problem.
[17:12] <Jaseman> she hasnt got a bloody clue how to use it
[17:13] <Jaseman> but at least shes got one
[17:13] <Jaseman> lots of people are scared of them
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[17:16] <piofcube> IMHO, one of the most important things to get across to people that are new to computers is if they wouldn't do something "in the real world", they should do it on the PC/Net. If some stranger knocked at their door and asked for their credit card numbers they would say no, but they will happily put in these details into any pop-up box that appears on their screen.
[17:16] <piofcube> should't** LOL
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[17:17] <piofcube> Same with software... And hence why bot nets and all these other nasties can get around so easily.
[17:18] <Jaseman> i wouldnt even mention that
[17:18] <Jaseman> youre going to scare them even more saying things like that
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[17:19] <Jaseman> when windows xp came out.....
[17:19] <Jaseman> and i first got to use it.
[17:19] <Jaseman> the first thing i did was click on start and then proceed to clock on every single option off the the menu
[17:20] <Jaseman> click on
[17:20] <Jaseman> until i knew what each thing was
[17:20] <haltdef> so blue
[17:20] <Jaseman> but some people wont do that
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[17:20] <piofcube> I've known many new users end up with huge phone bills because of pop-ups and malware changing their connection properties to premium rate numbers... That's why I always tell anyone getting internet via the phone line to block them numbers. To start with anyway... Plus I get them onto Linux anyway :-)
[17:20] <Jaseman> they want to be shown everything
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[17:22] <Jaseman> the worst ones are people with loads of browser toolbars
[17:22] <Jaseman> they always have google toolbar, yahoo toolbar, seach and a ton of others
[17:22] <Jaseman> i ask them....
[17:22] <Jaseman> do you use these toolbars?
[17:22] <piofcube> OMG yes... I've seen people with half a screen filled with them... about 4 inches of web page left :S
[17:22] <Jaseman> and they always say...
[17:22] <Jaseman> i dont know what they are
[17:22] <Jaseman> get rid of them!
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[17:23] <piofcube> how do you do that? :S
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[17:23] <Jaseman> control panel
[17:23] <Jaseman> add remove programs
[17:23] <Jaseman> or programs and features if its win7
[17:23] <piofcube> what's a control panel?
[17:24] <Jaseman> unless they are REALLY bad toolbars
[17:24] <Jaseman> then you need to dig out your system restore cd
[17:24] <piofcube> For some people I just get them to use a live cd.
[17:24] <Jaseman> really?
[17:24] <Jaseman> thats a bit slow
[17:24] <Jaseman> but at least they cant mess it up
[17:24] <piofcube> There have been a couple of my own family that just simply don't learn
[17:25] <Jaseman> one of our employees has a laptop
[17:25] <Jaseman> and she lets her kds play on it in the evenings
[17:25] <Jaseman> she comes back the next day and starts complaining that its not working
[17:26] <Jaseman> so you spend 3 hours fixing it and unistalling all the crap off it
[17:26] <Jaseman> and two days laters its the same again
[17:26] <piofcube> yeah
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[17:26] <Jaseman> what can you do?
[17:26] <piofcube> One of my bugbears with Win7... You need adminstrative authority to do this... click OK and it'll be done for you.. no password required :S
[17:27] <Jaseman> she wont stop her kids from using it
[17:27] <haltdef> get all bofh on her
[17:27] <haltdef> piofcube, set an admin password and it'll ask for one
[17:27] <Jaseman> confiscate the computer
[17:27] <Jaseman> when she goes home
[17:28] <Jaseman> she gives her kids the passwords
[17:28] <haltdef> family machines are setup like that, everyone has a passwordless limited account, passworded admin account, UAC on
[17:28] <Jaseman> i think thin client might be the only answer for her
[17:28] <piofcube> haltdef: I know that but the typical user doesn't... That's the problem.. same with MS setting "hide file extensions by default"... major problems that has caused alone.
[17:29] <Jaseman> i hate that option
[17:29] <haltdef> it was more intended to stop hidden processes from doing things they shouldn't
[17:29] <Crazytails> The first thing I do to any Windows install is set it to show file extensions.
[17:29] <Jaseman> yeah me too
[17:29] <Jaseman> you end up with filename.txt.txt
[17:29] <piofcube> Hey... download this text file... somefile.txt.exe :S
[17:29] <Jaseman> because its hidden the extension so you added it again
[17:30] <Jaseman> right
[17:30] <Jaseman> i understand the idea of it.....
[17:30] <Jaseman> just show the name
[17:30] <Jaseman> and not some computery file name
[17:30] <Jaseman> but in practise it doesnt work
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[17:31] <Jaseman> our receptionist.....
[17:31] <Jaseman> wasnt very bust so he went itnto word
[17:31] <Jaseman> and went to file open
[17:31] <Jaseman> and saw theres lots of folders with no files in them
[17:32] <Jaseman> so she deleted all those
[17:32] <Jaseman> but she had *.doc as a filter
[17:32] <Jaseman> not realising that there were excel files there
[17:33] <Jaseman> and other files types that didnt show in word's file open dialgue box
[17:33] <Aquilus_> Haha
[17:33] <Jaseman> she said to me...
[17:33] <Jaseman> ive helped you out and tidied up the server
[17:34] <Jaseman> thanks very much i replied
[17:34] <Aquilus_> I hope you kept backups.
[17:34] <Jaseman> yeah
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[17:34] <Jaseman> LTO4
[17:34] <piofcube> I've had someone once phone me asking how to delete the windows folder because she's using office now
[17:34] <Kolin> ...
[17:35] <Jaseman> i had one weird one....
[17:35] <Jaseman> phone call comes in
[17:35] <Jaseman> jase can you come and look at my excel..
[17:35] <Jaseman> its got a virus in it
[17:35] <Jaseman> whenever i type the number 9 the screen shoots off to the top
[17:35] <piofcube> lol
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> numlock?
[17:35] <Jaseman> yep
[17:36] <piofcube> I never use a machine without numlock on
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[17:36] <Jaseman> they should remove it from keyboards
[17:36] <Jaseman> have it permanently locked on
[17:36] <Caver> heh
[17:37] <Crazytails> piofcube: On my main computer there is a keyboard with out a numeric keypad
[17:37] <Crazytails> Jaseman: Thats what Apple have done
[17:37] * Caver remembers the old XT keyboards were it was a bit more essential
[17:37] <Caver> hands up anyone who's used the "Pause/Break" key recently :)
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[17:37] <Crazytails> Caver: Win+Pause
[17:37] <Jaseman> i used to use pause key...
[17:37] <Jaseman> in the msdos days
[17:38] <Jaseman> because the bios screen shot past too quick
[17:38] <Jaseman> if i wanted to read something
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[17:38] <piofcube> scroll lock is a thing of the past.. though handy for keyboard shortcuts at times
[17:38] <Jaseman> like whether the mfm hard drive had been detected
[17:38] <Caver> mmm great for pausing kernel boot screens :)
[17:39] <Jaseman> even the F keys are pointless
[17:39] <Jaseman> for the most part
[17:39] <Caver> really - I use them constantly
[17:39] <Caver> F5 refresh
[17:39] <Jaseman> they can have press dell for setup
[17:39] <Caver> F12 save as
[17:39] <Caver> etc
[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> ctrl-f4 close
[17:40] <piofcube> I remember paying??80quid for a 80MB MFM
[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> f1-f8 fire
[17:40] <Caver> F12 = Break on my BBC Model B emulator :)
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[17:40] <Jaseman> and they should start putting pound signs on american keyboards
[17:40] <Jaseman> on the number 3
[17:40] <Caver> then it would be a british keyboard
[17:40] <Crazytails> jas #
[17:40] <Crazytails> Jaseman: #
[17:41] <Crazytails> There already is a pound sign on 3
[17:41] <Crazytails> :P
[17:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> # == pound ;-p
[17:41] <Jaseman> lets have a universal keyboard layout
[17:41] <Caver> ?? = pound ...
[17:41] <Caver> # = hash
[17:41] <Aquilus_> Both hash and pound symbols are on my 3 key :p
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> I just use US
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> However.
[17:41] <Jaseman> because i hate it when i go to do an @ and get "
[17:41] <piofcube> I guess I should get round to sorting my shell out on the server ;-)
[17:41] <Jaseman> because its defaulted to US keyboard
[17:42] <Caver> which os is this?
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> I've gotten to teh stage I can touch type it - including most symbols. As I'm using the keyboard under the blankets.
[17:42] <Jaseman> im not even going to ask
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> This is not unrelated to the fact that the current temperature in here is 5C
[17:43] <Jaseman> buy an electric heater
[17:43] <piofcube> Balmy 16C in my work area
[17:43] <Jaseman> theyre quite efficient these days
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: Err...
[17:44] <Caver> electric heaters are by definition 100% efficent LOL
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> _all_ electric heaters are 100% efficient
[17:44] <Jaseman> well there you go then
[17:44] <Caver> just electricity per unit cost are a lot dearier than gas per unit cost
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> And it would cost me around 1600 quid to heat this place adequately with the current level of insulation.
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> H?ence why I'm saving up money for insulation.
[17:44] <Caver> there is a reason that people like gas heating ...
[17:44] <ReggieUK> get a hot water bottle
[17:44] <piofcube> Or you could say they are so inefficient they convert all electric to heat ;-)
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[17:44] <Jaseman> turn the heating controlled down
[17:44] <Jaseman> and it costs less
[17:44] <Caver> ?
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[17:45] <Jaseman> if you have the electric heater on full blast
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> That's 1400 to hit 20C. 700 to hit 14
[17:45] <Caver> Jaseman, do you pay your own heating bills?
[17:45] <Jaseman> yes it will cost loads
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> (multiply by 3 for electric)
[17:45] <Jaseman> not in work i dont
[17:45] <Jaseman> my room was So cold i complained
[17:45] <Jaseman> and they got me an electric heater
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> ...
[17:46] <Jaseman> because I work in a 200 year old house
[17:46] <Jaseman> with an oil heating system
[17:46] <piofcube> I find the oil filled radiators to be best suited to the job if it's a small area
[17:46] <Jaseman> and the radiators suck here
[17:46] <Jaseman> the valves keep jamming up
[17:47] <Jaseman> we're moving to a modern office in october
[17:47] <Jaseman> so that problem will be gone then
[17:47] <Jaseman> the only thing is... this house is beautiful
[17:47] <Jaseman> in its own grounds
[17:47] <Jaseman> i see horses outside my window
[17:47] <piofcube> IR lamps are starting to take hold though.. The idea being that you heat yourself and not the whole room.
[17:47] <Jaseman> we're out in the countryside
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[17:48] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: That only works if you sit right next to the lamp. And at that point, you may as well use a blanket.
[17:48] <Jaseman> but soon ill be in a soulless open plan box
[17:48] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: Yeah... true LOL
[17:49] <Jaseman> you obviosly dont have enoug computers switched on in your room
[17:49] <Jaseman> get another 30 of them booted up and youll soon feel warmer
[17:49] <Tobias|> or one Dell
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Warmer is trivial - I can't afford the bills. I have plenty of heaters.
[17:49] <Aquilus_> Need to buy 50 Pis for heating.
[17:50] <Jaseman> why cant you afford the bills?
[17:50] <piofcube> You would have to get them crunching something really complicated to make the fans blow out warm air though... Bitcoin mining to pay for the bill LMAO
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[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ do some bitcoin mining [not on a Pi though]
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> Jaseman: Because at the moment even doing triival tasks like the washing up can exahust me to the point I'm not safe. This makes getting a ob problematic.
[17:50] <Tobias|> If you were going to do that, piofcube, you'd be better off with FPGAs
[17:51] <piofcube> LMAO
[17:51] <Jaseman> do you have health issues?
[17:51] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, what do you suffer from?
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Chronic fatigue syndrome.
[17:51] <ReggieUK> ahh, not nice
[17:51] <Jaseman> i think i have that too
[17:51] <Tobias|> o_o'
[17:51] <ReggieUK> I have crohns disease and the meds make me extremely tired
[17:51] <Tobias|> You think you have it
[17:51] <Jaseman> and hostile
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[17:52] <ReggieUK> yeah, fuck off
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[17:52] <Jaseman> lol
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> To the point I've failed the driving test 4 times as I get extremely tired halfway through, and start making mistakes. And this is wihen I know I have it to do, and can rest up the couple of days before.
[17:52] <piofcube> No not nice at all... I have nerve problems myself as well as AS neuropathy and a few other things... I rattle with the tablets I take.
[17:52] <Caver> heh ... if there is one thing a Pi would be bad it, it's being a room heater
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[17:52] <SpeedEvil> It's probably worse at bitcoin.
[17:53] <ReggieUK> I fall asleep in the day time, even though I get plenty of sleep
[17:53] <piofcube> I wish I could sleep easily... Care to send some of your sleep over to me sometime? Email it.
[17:53] <Caver> I do that in meetings with out problem too
[17:53] <Caver> but yes
[17:54] <ReggieUK> melatonin helps with sleep
[17:54] <ReggieUK> see your doctor
[17:54] <piofcube> Not so good with my other medication :(
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=melatonin&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories
[17:55] <piofcube> I was on morphene 4 times a day but ended up having a toxic reaction so had to switch to the dreaded oxycontin.
[17:55] <ReggieUK> notice that they're mostly in america?
[17:56] <ReggieUK> see your doctor, melatonin has side effects that may or may not agree with you
[17:56] <ReggieUK> and you're not supposed to do them long term
[17:56] * SpeedEvil would not seriously suggest getting anything medical from ebay.
[17:56] <ReggieUK> indeed, I'm just making sure no one takes you literally :)
[17:56] <piofcube> You probs end up with vetinary from there :S
[17:57] <Caver> lol
[17:57] <ReggieUK> horse tranqs
[17:57] <piofcube> if you're lucky LOL
[17:57] <Caver> vitamin k ...
[17:57] <Jaseman> get a raspberry pi and solve all your ailments
[17:58] <Caver> nah ... but will I hope be a fun toy
[17:58] <Jaseman> i didnt realize the education would span as far as healthcare
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[17:58] <Jaseman> i think the community that builds around the raspberry might be as important if not more than the actual device
[17:59] <jardiamj> I couldn't sleep last night until 3 A.M and I almost didn't wake up to go to work this morning, I usually have brain storms at night and that gets me from sleep...
[17:59] <piofcube> Jaseman: Yep
[18:00] <piofcube> I got to sleep at 7am... which is pretty much usual for me during the winter.
[18:00] <Jaseman> you been programming?
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[18:00] <jardiamj> wow...
[18:00] <Jaseman> i can never sleep after coding
[18:00] <jardiamj> 7 A.M...
[18:00] <DexterLB> Jaseman: ditto
[18:00] <Jaseman> i keep having these great ideas
[18:00] <jardiamj> Jaseman: yep, I guess that's exactly what happens to me..
[18:01] <Jaseman> if i rewrite this function it will be far more effiecient
[18:01] <Caver> lol I thought that was what porn was for
[18:01] <Caver> distract you from programming
[18:01] <DexterLB> i'm convinced it'll be more efficient! now go to sleep
[18:01] <Jaseman> yeah the porn helps you get to sleep
[18:01] <DexterLB> but what if..
[18:01] <piofcube> Interesting to see the chat in here after the UK has gone to bed ;-)
[18:02] <DexterLB> lol
[18:02] <Jaseman> is there any?
[18:02] <jardiamj> Jaseman: hahahahaha, good advice I'll take in consideration....
[18:02] <Jaseman> whenever i come here its deadly silent
[18:03] <Jaseman> or someones rabbiting on about something really dull to do with voltage
[18:03] <piofcube> LOL... or erm... showing their new PSU design with only 1 resistor ;-)
[18:03] <Jaseman> with the occasional new arrival asking if there has been announcement about the release date yet
[18:03] <jardiamj> hahahahahaha... of course there is life here after UK goes to sleep
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[18:04] <piofcube> Is it out yet?
[18:04] * PiBot slaps piofcube across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:04] <jardiamj> is it out yet?
[18:04] * PiBot slaps jardiamj across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:04] <Jaseman> yeah they wait for us to leave...
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[18:04] <Jaseman> then invite all the hot chicks
[18:04] <Caver> in your dreams
[18:04] <Jaseman> speaking of which...
[18:04] <Caver> there are no hot chicks on the internet .. it's just a myth
[18:04] <Jaseman> ive gone off Liz
[18:05] <Caver> oh?
[18:05] <DexterLB> hot chicks on the internet only exist when not observed
[18:05] <Jaseman> she looked quite hot on her avatar
[18:05] <Thorn_> ...
[18:05] <Jaseman> but its only 50 pixels square!
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[18:05] <piofcube> Jaseman: Be careul you could be inviting comment ;-)
[18:05] <Aquilus_> But more improtantly
[18:05] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[18:05] * PiBot slaps Aquilus_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:06] <Aquilus_> :p
[18:06] <Aquilus_> importantly*
[18:06] <Thorn_> you think you're hip or something?
[18:06] <Jaseman> yeah
[18:06] <Jaseman> havent you got one yet?
[18:06] <Jaseman> we've all got them now
[18:06] <Thorn_> that line is trademarked.
[18:06] <Thorn_> copyright
[18:06] <Thorn_> whatever
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[18:06] <Shift_> trademarked was right
[18:07] <Thorn_> (anyone comments that trademarking a phrase does not make sense will promptly be slapped)
[18:07] <Thorn_> really?
[18:07] <Jaseman> sure
[18:07] <piofcube> I guess not many know about CTRL-Clicking on the dot above the R-Pi on the site to get into the secret online store...
[18:07] <Caver> trademarking a phrase does not make sense
[18:07] <jardiamj> but is doesn't make any sense
[18:07] <Caver> ahahahah
[18:07] <piofcube> Oops... pretend I didn't say that.
[18:07] <Jaseman> my raspberry pi has been personally autographed by David Braben
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[18:07] <DexterLB> lol
[18:08] <piofcube> Mine is running Elite right now
[18:08] <Jaseman> mine is running Frontier
[18:08] <Jaseman> ;-P
[18:08] <Thorn_> mine is running Pioneer
[18:08] <DexterLB> I bet few know about the second secret store entrance either (konami code)
[18:09] <piofcube> I just bought my auto-dock so that makes things much easier
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[18:09] <Jaseman> hush now
[18:09] <Jaseman> hamitron is here
[18:09] <hamitron> ;/
[18:09] <Jaseman> how's it going matey?
[18:10] <hamitron> not bad tbh
[18:10] <hamitron> and u?
[18:10] <Jaseman> i think this afternoon is never going to end
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[18:11] <hamitron> haha
[18:11] <Jaseman> has anyone dreamt abuot the raspberry pi yet?
[18:12] <Jaseman> found themselved shouting it out in the middle of the night
[18:12] <Jaseman> waking up in a sweat
[18:12] <hamitron> haha
[18:12] <hamitron> not in my sleep, no
[18:12] <hamitron> keep wondering if I can be bothered
[18:12] <piofcube> just in waking life? ;-)
[18:12] <hamitron> yeh ;/
[18:13] <Jaseman> bothered to get one you mean?
[18:13] <hamitron> Jaseman, yep
[18:13] <Jaseman> : O
[18:13] <Jaseman> dont give me that
[18:13] <hamitron> from point of view of cost and the device, I'd be wasting money
[18:14] <Jaseman> you;ve already got a perfectly good pc
[18:14] <hamitron> but.... the one reason it could be cool, is lots of others will have one
[18:14] <Jaseman> that will outperform it
[18:14] <hamitron> I have 15 that will
[18:14] <Jaseman> yes exactly
[18:14] <hamitron> so only reason to get one, is for the community tbh
[18:14] <Jaseman> but you wont feel complete without one
[18:14] <hamitron> aha
[18:14] <Jaseman> there would always be a hole
[18:15] <Jaseman> where your pi should be!
[18:15] <hamitron> well, I certainly won't rush
[18:15] <hamitron> if there is a shortage, I will do without for a while
[18:15] <Jaseman> there's no 'if' about it
[18:15] <Jaseman> there will be a shortage
[18:15] <hamitron> I may wait till the 2nd batch then
[18:15] <Jaseman> me too
[18:16] <Jaseman> or third
[18:16] <hamitron> I was bidding on a laptop yesterday
[18:16] <Jaseman> oh yeah?
[18:16] <Jaseman> ebay?
[18:16] <hamitron> it went for ?24
[18:16] <hamitron> 800mhz via c3 cpu
[18:16] <Jaseman> thats a cheap laptop
[18:16] <hamitron> 256mb ram
[18:16] <hamitron> windows xp embedded
[18:16] <haltdef> got a samsung q1 somewhere
[18:17] <hamitron> that included delivery
[18:17] <haltdef> 900mhz celery, 2GB ram
[18:17] <Jaseman> i bought a eeepc
[18:17] <Caver> 2nd hand?
[18:17] <hamitron> Caver, yep
[18:17] <Jaseman> which had a broken touchpad
[18:17] <Jaseman> and then i bought a touchpad
[18:17] <Jaseman> and fitted it
[18:17] <Jaseman> its fine now
[18:17] <piofcube> I'm still trying to get linux installed on a couple of samuel 2 boards... I think I might have a bad IDE CDROM drive though which isn't helping.
[18:17] <hamitron> but it is more powerful than the pi, has a case, keyboard, drive, OS
[18:17] <hamitron> screen
[18:18] <Jaseman> for me the strengths of the pi are....
[18:18] <Jaseman> cheap
[18:18] <Jaseman> standard hardware
[18:18] <hamitron> piofcube, VIA C3 samuel?
[18:18] <piofcube> hamitron: Yeah
[18:18] <Jaseman> and the whole community idea that surrounds it
[18:18] <hamitron> what distro you reckon is best for them?
[18:19] <hamitron> Jaseman, in one :)
[18:19] <Jaseman> a sort of get back to basics and teach people philosophy
[18:19] <Jaseman> well ive been wondering about damn small linux
[18:19] <Jaseman> or debian
[18:19] <hamitron> but tbh, basics can be learnt on any cheap comp, if someone puts the effort in
[18:19] <piofcube> They say anything with a 2.26.2x I think.. can't remember exactly off the top of my head.
[18:19] <Jaseman> but lots of people are talking 'fedora'
[18:20] <Jaseman> ive never used fedora
[18:20] <hamitron> piofcube, a what? :|
[18:20] <piofcube> the kernel... sorry
[18:20] <Jaseman> but i think ill go with whatever the foundation deem to be 'the distro'
[18:20] <Jaseman> but i also like the idea of having an sd card for every distro
[18:20] <piofcube> The samuel 2 doesn't support cmov
[18:21] <Jaseman> and even selling sd card distros
[18:21] <hamitron> piofcube, indeed, so need distro compiled for i586 or below
[18:22] <hamitron> I'm torn between slackware and linuxfromscratch
[18:22] <piofcube> hamitron: I'm a little short on optical drives right now but I'll get some soon and have a bash and make a tutorial video as the Eden/Samuel 2 boards are cheap and popular on ebay
[18:22] <Jaseman> i think the x window is more important
[18:23] <Jaseman> lxde seems like the popular choice
[18:23] <hamitron> tutorial for what? :| I guess maybe worth it for a newbie
[18:23] <Caver> XFCE is ok too
[18:23] <hamitron> LXDE or fluxbox imo
[18:23] <Jaseman> fluxbox is lighter than lxde?
[18:24] <hamitron> but lets not start a "political" arguement
[18:24] <hamitron> :)
[18:24] <piofcube> tutorial showing how to set up the samuel 2 and where to get the distros from... Do a range of distros so they can see whcih they prefer.
[18:24] <Caver> *hides*
[18:24] <hamitron> Jaseman, I'd say it is different. fluxbox is easier to modify imo
[18:24] <piofcube> I had a hell of a job getting hold of older distros
[18:24] <Jaseman> i wouldnt even worry about distros just yet
[18:25] <Jaseman> they are still hammering them together from what i see
[18:25] <Jaseman> better to sit back for a bit
[18:25] <hamitron> piofcube, my aim is to run modern stuff, but rolled out for the older class of hardware
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[18:25] <hamitron> Jaseman, I intend to make my own for the Pi, if I get one
[18:25] <hamitron> it is the only reason I want one ;)
[18:26] <Jaseman> your own distro?
[18:26] <hamitron> distro or OS or something
[18:26] <piofcube> hamitron: yeah, I'll be looking at that also... see what boot options there are to get round the CMOV problem etc
[18:26] <Jaseman> im thinking in terms of sd cards....
[18:26] <hamitron> piofcube, it isn't a boot option really, more just a compile time flag
[18:26] <hamitron> :/
[18:27] <Jaseman> i dont think its worth buying less than 16gb
[18:27] <hamitron> Jaseman, I'd say 512mb
[18:27] <Jaseman> when they only cost like ??9.99 each
[18:27] <hamitron> guess may as well get 16gb at that price
[18:27] <hamitron> :)
[18:28] <piofcube> The thing that annoyed/confused me was many of the live cds would work but wouldn't install LOL
[18:28] <Jaseman> i like the idea of making some tutorials myself
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[18:28] <Jaseman> its time consuming though
[18:28] <Shift_> Jaseman, very
[18:29] <Jaseman> and most of its been done already....
[18:29] <Jaseman> but i might go in the direction of....
[18:29] <hamitron> piofcube, most of the GNU stuff doesn't really make great use of modern hardware. so even if set to use CMOV, not used a great deal
[18:29] <Jaseman> pointing people towards tutorials that already exisit
[18:29] <Jaseman> rather than rewriting them
[18:29] <piofcube> hamitron: true enough
[18:29] <Jaseman> phyton is python
[18:30] <Jaseman> whether you're on a pi or whatever
[18:30] <hamitron> you guys won't get tutorials off me I'm afraid :/ I hate paperwork and believe in working around stuff yourself ;)
[18:30] <hamitron> I will ofc give others pointers and help them if I can
[18:30] <hamitron> :)
[18:30] <Jaseman> what i want is an apprentice
[18:30] <hamitron> gtg, bbl o/
[18:31] <piofcube> cya
[18:31] <Jaseman> a fresh faced enthiastic person that knows nothing
[18:31] <Jaseman> who i can program
[18:32] <Jaseman> and they'll get really pleased and excited when you show them how to draw a polygon on the screen
[18:32] <Shift_> Jaseman, I had the idea of making a video series covering everything from basic chemistry to semiconductors to transistors to logic gates to logic circuits, ALUs, CPU architecture, assembly and finally a basic OS. The idea was that someone who is clueless about computers could build their own basic cpu and have it do stuff. I've got through the chemistry and semiconductors scripts and gave up 'cause it's waaaay too much work. =/
[18:32] <feep> <3
[18:32] <Jaseman> i know what you mean Shift
[18:33] <Jaseman> plus you'll get 3 quarters through....
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[18:33] <Jaseman> and disscover someone else made a better tutorial than you already
[18:33] <Shift_> Jaseman, yeah, now I am thinking it might be better to make a playlist of existing videos which would accomplish the same thing.
[18:33] <Jaseman> right
[18:34] <Jaseman> thats what the internet is all about
[18:34] <Jaseman> hyperlink
[18:34] <piofcube> Shift_:An electronics version of the khanacademy?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> KHAAAAAN
[18:34] <Shift_> piofcube, yup, pretty much. I checked khanacademy and found that they didn't really have any electronics or computer science stuff.
[18:35] <Jaseman> i looked at that recently
[18:35] <Jaseman> impressive
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[18:35] <piofcube> I found it useful for brushing up on linear algebra
[18:35] <Jaseman> i wouldnt use that as a chat up line
[18:36] <piofcube> LMAO
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[18:37] <Jaseman> internet is the best thing ever
[18:37] <Shift_> for now
[18:37] <Jaseman> the impact of it is massive
[18:37] <Jaseman> already its massive and will get even bigger
[18:39] <Jaseman> i was thinking the other day when i was playing with python...
[18:39] <Jaseman> how nice it is that i can turn to google when i get stuck
[18:39] <Jaseman> in the old days i might have one text book to rely on
[18:39] <Jaseman> the official 'pygame' site isnt very helpful
[18:40] <Jaseman> i found it was better to look for examples from other sites
[18:40] <Jaseman> to understand how to format the commands
[18:40] <Jaseman> the syntax
[18:40] <Shift_> Jaseman, which brings me back to what you were saying a few days ago... that people get discouraged if they hit a stumbling block and feel alianated and all that. Stumbling blocks are a fact of life and if you don't have the initiative to find alternative resources, then how the hell will you learn anything?
[18:41] <Jaseman> the searching is in itself a skill
[18:41] <Jaseman> if you think about it the successul people in the world....
[18:42] <Jaseman> theyve looked around them at what resources are at their disposal
[18:42] <Jaseman> and used that to maximum self advantage
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[18:43] <Jaseman> its knowing where to look and whats important and whats valuable and how to filter what's not valuable
[18:43] <Jaseman> right i have to go home now
[18:43] <Jaseman> see you all later
[18:43] <Shift_> 'night
[18:43] <Jaseman> i might be online later on
[18:43] <Jaseman> bye
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[18:45] <Caver> phew
[18:45] <Caver> he does talk a lot
[18:46] <Shift_> heh, nothing wrong with that
[18:47] <Caver> not at all
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[18:48] <chris_99> the Pi uses mini-usb right?
[18:48] <Caver> no
[18:48] <Shift_> regular USB
[18:48] <haltdef> micro, and only for power
[18:48] <Caver> microUsb for power
[18:49] <Shift_> what?
[18:49] <Shift_> oh right
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[18:49] <chris_99> cheers
[18:49] <Shift_> didn't know they decided that for sure
[18:49] <Caver> normal for the proper connections
[18:49] <Shift_> nice
[18:49] <chris_99> ah, i'm guessing its micro-b then
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[18:51] <Caver> for the power connection - yes
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[18:53] <Caver> hi IT_Sean did they turn up on your phone conference?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> Caver: they called me about 20 minutes after i gave up
[18:54] <IT_Sean> So, 35 minutes after the scheduled start time of the conference call, and 38 minutes after i initially called into the conference bridge
[18:55] <IT_Sean> I solved their issue in 5 minutes.
[18:55] <Caver> ah well you can add a "tardyness" tax to their bill
[18:55] <IT_Sean> bill?
[18:55] <IT_Sean> yeah. right.
[18:56] <Caver> sorry to hear that
[18:57] <IT_Sean> We charge for a support contract. That support contract entitles you to support. We don't bill per minute.
[18:57] <Caver> nods
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[19:07] <jardiamj> uhu!! I found the perfect power supply for the pi... my old LG phone charger... 5V--700mA isn't it?
[19:07] <haltdef> yea
[19:07] <Caver> yes
[19:07] <haltdef> my n900's is 1A, gonna use that
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> jardiamj: possibly not
[19:08] <jardiamj> I have a bunch of those chargers but most of them are 500mA
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> jardiamj: 5V phone chargers may not actually output 5V
[19:08] <haltdef> :o
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> You need to verify that it will actually put out 5V with no load.
[19:08] <jardiamj> SpeedEvil: how is that?
[19:08] <haltdef> I'll get the multimeter
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> The 5V can be specced at 700mA
[19:08] <jardiamj> well I'll check that out of course...
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, at no load, they can be significantly more.
[19:09] <haltdef> depends on the quality if the psu doesn't it
[19:09] <IT_Sean> aye, if it's for a mobile phone, it may not be regulated
[19:09] <IT_Sean> some rely on the built in regulation in the phone
[19:09] <Aquilus_> IT_Sean: Is that labelled in any way?
[19:10] <jardiamj> doesn't the rasp have some regulation?
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[19:12] <IT_Sean> Aquilus_: nope
[19:12] <IT_Sean> jardiamj: you need a properly regulated PSU with the raspi
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[19:14] <jardiamj> ohhh, well...
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[19:14] * jardiamj is not exited any more...
[19:14] <Caver> excited?
[19:15] <IT_Sean> why not!?
[19:15] <IT_Sean> Just get a good quality USB power supply
[19:15] <jardiamj> jajajaja... just kidding
[19:15] <Caver> hmmm I can see this catchnig a lot of people out
[19:15] <jardiamj> I'll see what I can use then..
[19:15] <Caver> I thought the idea was you could use just about any micro USB connector to hand
[19:15] <jardiamj> I'll get a multimeter...
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[19:16] <jardiamj> any good suggestion, not so expensive though
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[19:18] <hotwings> i just checked my email. i did not see anyting about the pi being in stock. WTF
[19:18] <Aquilus_> They sold out a minute ago.
[19:18] <Aquilus_> Too bad.
[19:18] <jardiamj> is it out yet?
[19:18] * PiBot slaps jardiamj across the face with a cast iron pan.
[19:18] * hotwings shoves a pink salmon into Aquilus_'s anus
[19:19] <haltdef> is that what you call it, hotwings? :O
[19:19] <hotwings> you looking for an invitation? :\
[19:19] <Caver> lol
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[19:35] <chris_99> haha Aquilus_
[19:36] <traeak> !w
[19:36] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Jan 26 12:53:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 23%, Later 10??C - -1??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[19:54] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 10??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 87%.
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> rain.
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[19:55] <LiENUS> raspi out yet?
[19:55] * PiBot slaps LiENUS across the face with a cast iron pan.
[19:55] <LiENUS> :P
[19:55] <tntexplosivesltd> every day...
[19:55] <chris_99> yes, it sold out earlier LiENUS
[19:55] <LiENUS> sok
[19:55] <LiENUS> i bribed the chinese foreman at the factory
[19:55] <LiENUS> half the shipment got redirected
[19:55] <chris_99> haha
[19:55] <LiENUS> 5k units en route to my home
[19:56] <traeak> what do you expect in wellington? what's yoru forecast? "rain with a few earthquakes thrown in for good measure"
[19:56] <LiENUS> who wants to buy em? i'm selling em in groups of 10, 500 per group :P
[19:56] <LiENUS> btw im kidding
[19:56] <LiENUS> though it wouldnt surprise me to see counterfit ones show up around the time they start shipping
[19:57] <LiENUS> apparently it isnt too expensive to bribe the factories into running at night
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> !w forecast Upper Hutt
[19:57] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 10??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 87%.
[19:57] <PiBot> Sat: High 20??C Low 15??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[19:57] <PiBot> Sun: High 22??C Low 13??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[19:57] <PiBot> Mon: High 22??C Low 12??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[19:57] <PiBot> Fri: High 18??C Low 7??C :Condition Rain
[19:57] <LiENUS> producing someone elses gear
[19:57] <traeak> ahh okay
[19:57] <traeak> i've never been to NZ, well never tothe southern hemisphere
[19:58] <tntexplosivesltd> !q
[19:59] <LiENUS> who ever said linux wasnt easy to use
[19:59] <LiENUS> routeros is fracking easy
[19:59] <LiENUS> i hope routeros comes out for arm so i can run it on my raspi
[19:59] <tntexplosivesltd> traeak: haha so you understand that it's summer here?
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[20:00] <LiENUS> plugged in usb modem
[20:00] <LiENUS> added ppp client
[20:00] <LiENUS> voila
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[20:08] <jardiamj> tntexplosivesltd: PiBot doesn't know where I am...
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> loooool
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> add your location
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set loc Upper Hutt
[20:09] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: Your location has been set to Upper Hutt.
[20:09] <jardiamj> Edinburgh, Midlothian? where is that?
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !q
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[20:09] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 10??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 87%.
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set loc Upper Hutt, New Zealand
[20:09] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: Your location has been set to Upper Hutt, New Zealand.
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[20:09] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 10??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 87%.
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[20:10] <jardiamj> ok... thanks for the hint
[20:10] <jardiamj> I'm such a newbie
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[20:10] <jardiamj> !w
[20:10] <PiBot> jardiamj: in Oregon, USA on Thu Jan 26 18:46:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 100%, Later 36??F - 29??F. Condition: Chance of Ice.
[20:11] <jardiamj> Chance of Ice? WTF
[20:13] <amazoph> !w
[20:13] <PiBot> amazoph: in Edinburgh, Midlothian on Thu Jan 26 18:50:00 2012. Temp 36??F. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 93%, Later 41??F - 34??F. Condition: Rain.
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[20:24] <Thorn_> oh right its weather spam time
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[20:24] <Thorn_> !w dunfermline
[20:24] <PiBot> Thorn_: in Dunfermline, Fife on Thu Jan 26 18:50:00 2012. Temp 36??F. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 93%, Later 41??F - 34??F. Condition: Rain.
[20:25] <Thorn_> light snow my ass
[20:25] <Thorn_> its pissing down
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[20:26] <haltdef> in scotland? nowai
[20:27] <jardiamj> !w Washington, USA
[20:27] <PiBot> jardiamj: in Washington, DC on Thu Jan 26 18:52:00 2012. Temp 54??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 69%, Later 50??F - 49??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[20:32] <FireFly> !w
[20:32] <PiBot> FireFly: in Oregon, USA on Thu Jan 26 18:53:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 96%, Later 36??F - 29??F. Condition: Chance of Ice.
[20:32] <FireFly> Um
[20:32] <FireFly> !w Huddinge, Sweden
[20:32] <PiBot> FireFly: in Huddinge, Sweden. Temp 28??F. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 100%, Later 32??F - 24??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[20:32] <AnotherBot> Twitter: Raspberry_Pi: RT @ukscone: Successfully built and executed an SDL program for the @Raspberry_Pi inside the development VM http://t.co/IEZVdxXA #SDL #R ... - http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/162618777870155776
[20:33] <FireFly> Partly sunny, eh?
[20:33] <haltdef> you can't take the sky from me
[20:34] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/if-the-first-batch-is-to-stimulate-interest-in-development
[20:34] <jardiamj> are you in Oregon FireFly?
[20:34] <zgreg> that's a good point
[20:34] <FireFly> jardiamj, nah, my VPS is
[20:35] <rm> heh
[20:35] <jardiamj> ohhhh!!!
[20:35] <rm> yesterday I was pinning on google map where I have VPSes :)
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[20:35] <MystX> Hi guys
[20:36] <zgreg> it'd be a bit sad if most of the first batch will be bought by people that just want a cheap HTPC
[20:36] <tntexplosivesltd> or people like sightlight
[20:37] <haltdef> hm, you running a bnc on amazon s3?
[20:37] <MystX> Not a bnc
[20:37] <haltdef> zgreg, I can see those people being disappointed if the only video format supported by the gpu is progressive h.264
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[20:38] <MystX> Just got a machine here for running netframe and irssi
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> The GPU is almost certainly a complex DSP of a sort, with configurab le accelleration.
[20:38] <MystX> (for now)
[20:38] <haltdef> what's with the amazonaws hostname
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Of course - this is useless if there are only binary codecs for it.
[20:39] <jardiamj> tntexplosivesltd: who is sighlight?
[20:39] <tntexplosivesltd> you don't know yet?
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[20:39] <jardiamj> hu hu...
[20:39] <tntexplosivesltd> never mind then, some noob who comes on with terrible ideas
[20:40] <jardiamj> I don't know!!
[20:40] <MystX> haltdef: im using an amazon machine to get to irc
[20:40] <haltdef> ah
[20:40] <jardiamj> OK.. never mind then..
[20:40] <MystX> also to host my site until i get a R-Pi
[20:40] <MystX> =D
[20:40] <tntexplosivesltd> jardiamj: I meant that's who sightlight is
[20:40] <jardiamj> I know what you meant..
[20:41] * SpeedEvil ponders a pisp.
[20:41] <jardiamj> I thought it was something interesting...
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> You mail in your preconfigured pi, with appropirate SD card, and they plug it into the network and supply power.
[20:41] <MystX> http://www.iheartchaos.com/post/16393143676/fun-with-math-dividing-one-by-998001-yields-a
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Your own teeny shell host.
[20:41] <MystX> =O
[20:41] <MystX> Also wtf AnotherBot
[20:41] <MystX> !load url
[20:42] <MystX> >_>
[20:43] <MystX> Fine then
[20:44] <tntexplosivesltd> yay adding people to linkedin
[20:44] <MystX> YAY FF is frozen
[20:44] <tntexplosivesltd> my feet are cold
[20:44] <tntexplosivesltd> socks are soaked =(
[20:44] <MystX> Haha
[20:45] <mrdragons> MystX: Holy crap that division thing is awesome. 0_o
[20:45] <MystX> And its meant to be summer
[20:45] <tntexplosivesltd> I think it's the AC
[20:46] <MystX> Omg
[20:46] <MystX> IMBM has made a 9nm transistor using carbon nanotubes
[20:46] <MystX> IBM*
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[20:47] <mrdragons> Linky?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Shiny
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> That's not really very awesome.
[20:47] <MystX> Also, runs at 0.5v
[20:47] <MystX> SpeedEvil: Why is that not awesome?
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Currently we're at ~30nm for flash memory
[20:47] <MystX> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115657-ibm-creates-9nm-carbon-nanotube-transistor-outperforms-silicon
[20:47] <tntexplosivesltd> > remove socks
[20:47] <tntexplosivesltd> > feet warm
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> So it's only ~3 times smaller
[20:47] <MystX> =|
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Also - making one is completely uninteresting.
[20:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[20:48] <mrdragons> Which, in processor terms, would be incredibly smaller
[20:48] <MystX> The physical limit for silicone is ~11nm
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Working out how to do a hundred billion on a die is _hard_
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> innovation, who needs it?
[20:48] <mrdragons> Exactly, right? We perfected the abacus thousands of years ago...
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> MystX: People have been saying that for _ages-
[20:48] <MystX> Because it's true
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> MystX: I vaguely recall articles saying 500nm was the limit.
[20:49] <tntexplosivesltd> .......
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> And it seemed true then.
[20:49] <MystX> Doubt it
[20:49] <tntexplosivesltd> are you kidding me?
[20:49] <tntexplosivesltd> think about it in terms of chemistry
[20:49] <tntexplosivesltd> carbon is smaller, so we can go smaller
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Carbon is much smaller?
[20:50] <mrdragons> Yes...
[20:50] <MystX> SpeedEvil: 11nm ish is the physical limit. as in, a silicone transistor wont work at all past that. These ones work smaller, at lover voltages and higher currents. they are better in every way. If we can find a way to mass produce them, we'll be able to progress well past the 4-5Ghz barrier atm
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[20:50] <SpeedEvil> MystX: Oh - I'm not disagreeing.
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Well there is the atomic size limit
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> and quantum effects
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> It's just that one transistor does not a chip make.
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> exactly
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[20:50] <MystX> SpeedEvil: true
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ut's a start
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - there is always 3d
[20:50] <tntexplosivesltd> * it's
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: problem with 3d is cooling the inner bits
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> We've avoided 3d, as it seems expensive
[20:51] <mrdragons> Holy shit, do you hate progressing or something?
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> MartijnVdS: Well - yes and no
[20:51] <MystX> lol
[20:51] <MystX> Id love a CPU that runs at 0.5v
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: not Intel-Ivy Bridge "2.5d" ;)
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> MartijnVdS: For example, microSD cards have 9 thinned chips on top of each other.
[20:51] * datagutt_ is now known as datagutt
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: now imagine a stack of micro SDs so it becomes a cube :)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: temperature = problem
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> MartijnVdS: And that would be fine - for memory.
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> (if properly powered down during accesses)
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[20:52] <MartijnVdS> ah, a catch :)
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[20:52] <SpeedEvil> MicroSD already power down the chips when not accessing them
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[20:53] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: yes but imagine it's not memory, but a CPU
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: and it's not idle, but rendering the latest and greatest 3D game
[20:53] <MystX> Using ~30W of power
[20:53] <MystX> At the best of times
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> There are a number of ways of going rather more low power than have been done, which could ofset that. Then there is microfluidic cooling.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> Which has major issues of its own of course.
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[20:54] <MartijnVdS> SpeedEvil: I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying there's always a next obstacle :)
[20:54] <MystX> Whiuch will take as much developing as CNT
[20:54] * SpeedEvil points at bubble memory.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> Predicting the tech future is hard.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> yes
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> bit where are we of we don't try
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * but
[20:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * if
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying we shouldn't try, merely predicting the winner at this stage, based on prototype one-offs is extremely problematic.
[20:57] <mrdragons> True
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[20:57] <mrdragons> But 9nm man!
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> we're not predicting the winner
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.electroiq.com/content/dam/eiq/online-articles/2012/01/1201SSTissday1F7.gif
[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> we're imagining the possibilities
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> Fun graph
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[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[21:00] <ukscone> looks like it was just ballfield that has problems closing. the fire demo works great
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[21:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4059186/KAIST-claims-size-record-with-3-nm-FinFET also - 3nm in 2006
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[21:05] <ukscone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qKImuoS2os nicer demo that actually ends when i want it to
[21:08] <mrdragons> Holy sheit 3nm
[21:09] <traeak> yup
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> http://eetimes.com/General/PrintView/4148551 - 1997 'smallest practical transistor' - 40nm in 97
[21:09] <traeak> the big question is: how far away are they from actually having a repeatble affordable manufacturing process
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> There have been similar claims several generastions away for ages
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> which is true is a fun question
[21:10] <mrdragons> Dunno, I just can't wait to see exactly how small they get
[21:10] <MystX> 1pm
[21:11] <mrdragons> Smaller
[21:11] <mrdragons> We must go sub-atomic
[21:11] <MystX> 1 pico meter. The whole die will be 1mmx1mm, and clocked at 100Ghz
[21:12] <MystX> And it draws its power from the particles and anti-particles popping into existance around it
[21:12] <mrdragons> lol
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> ~100pm is atomic spacing
[21:13] <MystX> Also it has a cup holder
[21:13] <mrdragons> Still too big
[21:14] <MystX> inb4 when we're old we're telling our kids that a 1TB hdd used to be big in our day
[21:14] <MystX> "You kids and your 1PB harddrives"
[21:14] <MystX> In my day, solid state was expensive
[21:15] <mrdragons> The awesome thing is it's probably going to be true
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[21:15] <MystX> Yeah
[21:16] <MystX> afk, boring meeting
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[21:24] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: as opposed to a normal meeting?
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[21:33] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: it was especially boring because the lifesize is broken
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[21:39] <MystX> We had a meeting about trying to have the meeting
[21:40] <jardiamj> MystX: That's a very interesting subject...
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[21:47] <mrdragons> But really, who's bright idea was it to name a networking company "sky?"
[21:47] <MystX> Which company?
[21:48] <MystX> We have a TV service here called sky
[21:48] <noname^^> I think he's referring to sky :P
[21:48] <MystX> Yeah let me rephrase.
[21:48] <MystX> mrdragons: where?
[21:48] <mrdragons> UK
[21:48] <MystX> Ah
[21:48] <mrdragons> iirc
[21:48] <noname^^> /being a smartass
[21:49] <MystX> lol
[21:49] <haltdef> they're a satellite company if you're referring to ReggieUK's hostname
[21:49] <mrdragons> Yeah
[21:50] <piofcube> There was also "Blueyonder" but that was bought out by Virgin... Also a TV co.
[21:50] <haltdef> merged and rebranded
[21:51] <haltdef> they were briefly known as ntl:telewest
[21:51] <haltdef> makes sense though, cable tv, can't not offer internet with infrastructure like that
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[21:53] <haltdef> http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/01/26/bbc-america-to-co-produce-next-installment-of-luther - america going to break yet another perfectly good show then :P
[21:54] <piofcube> Telewest didn't know what they were doing... The fun I could have had... I used to be with them and for fun I decided to try to register a few email addresses... I had admin@telewest.co.uk, administration@telewest.co.uk and postmaster@telewest.co.uk. I had to explain to them that, with those emails, I could have bought several SSL certs with telewest.co.uk... Makes you laugh LMAO
[21:54] <haltdef> nice
[21:54] <mrdragons> 0_o
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[21:55] <ukscone> haltdef: oh no they'll probably ruin luther
[21:55] <ukscone> but at least it won't be a remake
[21:55] <haltdef> actually I'm fine with remakes, fuck that up all they like, leave the original alone though :P
[21:55] <ukscone> so they won't f*** it up like they did with being human and life on mars
[21:57] <tntexplosivesltd> the UK version of Life on Mars was brilliant
[21:57] <tntexplosivesltd> the US version - flop
[21:57] <haltdef> I didn't like either version of that
[21:57] <tntexplosivesltd> same woth The Office
[21:57] <tntexplosivesltd> * with
[21:57] <haltdef> or that
[21:58] <Jaseman> is it possilbe to create your own rooms in here?
[21:58] <Jaseman> through webchat/freenode website
[21:58] <piofcube> If it's just a one-off, simply join it...
[21:58] <noname^^> /j #lala
[21:59] <Jaseman> cool
[21:59] <Jaseman> i thought about us doing live lessons
[21:59] <Jaseman> from a chat room
[21:59] <Jaseman> so you talk the newbs through whatever it is
[21:59] <Jaseman> and they can ask questions
[21:59] <noname^^> probably better to move the non-noob stuff to another channel
[22:00] <noname^^> #raspberryl33tz
[22:00] <Jaseman> yeah i would create a room for the purpose
[22:00] <noname^^> because the newbies are bound to come here, and not the "noob channel"
[22:06] <mrdragons> Heh, I like it
[22:07] <tntexplosivesltd> It gives us memes
[22:07] <tntexplosivesltd> like sightlight
[22:09] <noname^^> xD
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[22:17] <MystX> Soz, need to do some testing
[22:17] <mrdragons> MystX, I think I broke your bot
[22:18] <mrdragons> nm
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[22:40] <tntexplosivesltd> !q
[22:40] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting
[22:48] <MystX> Wtf, he's not here
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[22:54] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, I see
[22:54] <tntexplosivesltd> did not see that
[23:00] <Jaseman> is this an official website?: http://www.raspberrypi.ru/
[23:01] <tntexplosivesltd> from memory, no
[23:01] <Jaseman> the russians want them
[23:01] <Thorn_> first to make a 'belong to us' joke gets a slap
[23:01] <Jaseman> lol
[23:02] <slaeshjag> Jaseman: It doesn't take any preorders, right?
[23:03] <Jaseman> niet
[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I had a quick read, it's mostly just a forum.
[23:03] <slaeshjag> Then it's probably what they claim, a russian communiy for it.
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[23:04] <slaeshjag> community*
[23:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I don't see anything dodgy there
[23:04] <Jaseman> they should have make 10 million of them
[23:04] <slaeshjag> Expected date of start of sales - February 2012. RaspberryPi purchase will be on the official website Raspberry Pi Foundation (raspberrypi.org). The first 10,000 units should be on sale in February.
[23:04] <Jaseman> not 10 thousand
[23:04] <slaeshjag> seems all right
[23:05] <Thorn_> 10 thousand is plenty
[23:05] <Thorn_> for me, that is :D
[23:05] <Jaseman> its going to be buoght globally
[23:05] <Jaseman> by masses of people
[23:05] <haltdef> Jaseman, you paying? :P
[23:06] <Jaseman> im gonna buy one
[23:06] <Jaseman> if i can
[23:06] <Jaseman> im not greedy - one will do
[23:06] <haltdef> not the same as paying for a certain amount to be manufactured without any preorder money :P
[23:06] <slaeshjag> it's cute how they don't translitterate names
[23:07] <Jaseman> i do hope theres an official magazine
[23:07] <Jaseman> called pi user
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[23:10] <SpeedEvil> I really, really hope 10000 isn't enough.
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> And that I don't get one.
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> o_O
[23:10] <Simon-> you hope you don't get one? can I have yours then?
[23:10] <Aquilus_> o_o
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> I mean that they sell out really fast.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> I plan on purchasing one
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> or even several.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> However.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Given that my progress on projects will be slow - it's not impossible that bootstrapping from a growing community may not make them faster
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[23:20] <Jaseman> I reckon the raspberry pi's are already delivered
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[23:20] <Jaseman> i bet eben and liz are packing them as we speak
[23:21] <Jaseman> they've been quiet lately
[23:21] <mrdragons> I bet I already have one being shipped to me.
[23:21] <mrdragons> Muahaha
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[23:21] <Jaseman> i bet you dont
[23:21] <mrdragons> I bought it from this russian store, it was $10 cheaper too!
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[23:23] <Jaseman> ahve they mentioned it on the gadget show yet?
[23:23] <Jaseman> doesnt look like it
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[23:24] <Thorn_> thank god
[23:24] <Thorn_> i hate that scrawny git
[23:25] <Jaseman> suzi perry?
[23:25] <victhor> I have a r-pi.
[23:25] <Thorn_> no the bald idiot
[23:25] <victhor> It cost me some ??3500 but... I have one :D
[23:25] <Jaseman> jason
[23:26] <Jaseman> if you did you wouldnt be here
[23:26] <Jaseman> youd be too busy playing with it
[23:26] <victhor> I got bored of it
[23:27] <victhor> no xbmc images to download
[23:27] <Jaseman> did you make a lego case for it yet?
[23:27] <victhor> nope
[23:28] <mrdragons> BLASPHEMER!
[23:29] <victhor> u jelly of my r-pi #1? trolololo...
[23:29] <MystX> YUSS new going quantum podcast
[23:29] <Jaseman> not if you paid ??3,500 for it
[23:29] <Thorn_> ^ the snooty kid is right
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[23:31] <Jaseman> how can i attach some neon lights to it
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[23:35] <MystX> blutac
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[23:45] <MystX> !q
[23:45] <AnotherBot> < SpeedEvil> Loaded module 'skynet'
[23:46] <MystX> Lol
[23:46] <Kostic> wtf?
[23:46] <Kostic> I't already started... Brace yourself!
[23:48] <MystX> Yup
[23:49] <mrdragons> Uh oh
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