#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-01-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <Jaseman> i hope ill be able to set my screen res to 1920x1200
[0:01] <MystX> god i suck at crimping
[0:01] <Jaseman> on the raspi
[0:01] <MystX> also at crumping
[0:02] <Jaseman> what are you crimping?
[0:02] <xlq> CRIMP = CRU Image Manipulation Program?
[0:02] <tntexplosivesltd> aww, software guys are so naive
[0:02] <MystX> Jaseman: 360 spi cable
[0:02] <mrdragons> Krumping?
[0:02] <mrdragons> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0mTvBlLQWc
[0:03] <Jaseman> is that for an xbox?
[0:04] <MystX> yep
[0:04] <ukscone> Part one is posted if anyone is interested http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/27/setting-up-a-vm-for-raspberry-pi-development-using-virtualbox-scratchbox2-qemu-part-1/
[0:06] <Jaseman> good effort but ill wait for the real thing
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[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, you'll still want sb2
[0:08] <tntexplosivesltd> for what?
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not just a qemu vm it's an x86 vm for developing.
[0:08] <Jaseman> i dont even know what it is
[0:08] <Thorn_> you'll need sb2
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, for compiling things you don't want to compile on the pi
[0:08] <Thorn_> because speedball2 was a great game :D
[0:08] <Thorn_> still play the AGA version
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> because some things may take days to compile vs a few hours
[0:08] <Jaseman> 'ice cream!'
[0:09] <Thorn_> haha, yes
[0:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I see, true
[0:09] <Jaseman> i dont think ill be compling my programs
[0:09] <Jaseman> ill just run them under geany
[0:09] <tntexplosivesltd> that's the same thing...
[0:09] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[0:09] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't want to live on this planet any more
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I think he means python
[0:10] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
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[0:10] <tntexplosivesltd> well then that's not IDE-specific
[0:11] <Jaseman> remember when strings had to be called a$?
[0:11] <Jaseman> print "enter password"
[0:11] <tntexplosivesltd> please stop talking
[0:11] <Jaseman> input a$
[0:11] <MystX> nope
[0:11] <tntexplosivesltd> Jaseman: it depends on the language
[0:11] <Jaseman> must be too young then
[0:11] <tntexplosivesltd> you still do that in basic
[0:12] <tntexplosivesltd> it's around today
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[0:12] <Thorn_> Jaseman: you sound like a 16yo parroting your dad tbh
[0:12] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[0:12] <Jaseman> yes i am 16
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> why so hostile today?
[0:12] <mrdragons> I thought you said you were 40-something
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[0:13] <Jaseman> im 38
[0:13] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: i'm hostile because i got my insurance quotes today
[0:13] <Thorn_> again up, ??500 for third party on a 125 ;\
[0:13] <MystX> fuuuu
[0:13] <Jaseman> thats not my fault!
[0:13] <tntexplosivesltd> Jaseman: no you're not
[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just outrageous
[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, WTF MAN!?
[0:14] <Thorn_> the bike's not even worth that
[0:14] <tntexplosivesltd> man
[0:14] <Thorn_> that's ??500 upfront too, + ??600 compulsary excess
[0:14] <Hideki> 600 quid excess?!
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, it's a 125CC! give the man a break!
[0:14] <Hideki> why bother even having it then
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[0:14] <Hideki> well, other than that it's mandatory
[0:14] <Thorn_> Hideki: that's my opinion too
[0:14] <Thorn_> but yeah, law is law
[0:14] <MystX> yeah insurance in the UK is crazy
[0:14] <Jaseman> i really dont care about your insurance issues
[0:14] <MystX> Come here. youe not required to have it
[0:14] <Hideki> then stick your fingers in your ears and hum loudly
[0:15] <Hideki> or use your /ignoer
[0:15] <Hideki> ignore*
[0:15] <Thorn_> mate of mine just dropped his car for a bike because the insurance on his car went up 2x this year
[0:15] <Hideki> I just have an electric bicycle, no fees at all
[0:15] <tntexplosivesltd> Jaseman: you don't care about punctuation either. Sure you're 38
[0:15] <Thorn_> ??2500 for fully comp on his astra
[0:15] <Jaseman> my wife keeps crashing her car
[0:15] <Hideki> just the 0.7p/mile the electric costs
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[0:15] <Jaseman> Yes I am 38!
[0:15] <Jaseman> you want to see my birth certificate or something?
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[0:15] <Thorn_> Hideki: 0.7p/mile ?
[0:16] <Hideki> yeah, for the electricity, worked out what it was using charging it
[0:16] <Hideki> and how far I'd gone
[0:16] <Hideki> and that's waht it is
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, long form please
[0:16] <Thorn_> crazy
[0:16] <tntexplosivesltd> Hideki: go take your smug elsewhere =P
[0:16] <Hideki> I was pondering insurance actually
[0:16] <tntexplosivesltd> also electric bicycles are sooooo gay
[0:16] <Jaseman> i expect i have it scanned somewhere
[0:16] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[0:16] <RITRedbeard> crazy brits
[0:16] <Hideki> it's only 70 quid to cover the bike, other people and includes recovery of me and it if I'm stranded somewhere
[0:16] <Jaseman> just look me up on facebook
[0:17] <Hideki> tntexplosivesltd. are you american?
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[0:17] <Jaseman> 'Jason Andrew Davies'
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> fick that
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ew... facebook.
[0:17] <Hideki> oh, your misuse of the term gay suggested you were
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * fuck
[0:17] <MystX> THERE
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> Jaseman: just be quiet
[0:17] <MystX> socket done
[0:17] <Hideki> suppose we've imported that too now, lol
[0:17] <tntexplosivesltd> Hideki: define misuse
[0:17] <MystX> now i can put my 360 back together
[0:17] <RITRedbeard> why not use a regular bicycle?
[0:17] <Jaseman> very well
[0:17] <Hideki> well, using it as a term of abuse
[0:18] <Hideki> me? because I'm lazy and like to arrive at my destination without being knackered
[0:18] <Jaseman> bye
[0:18] <tntexplosivesltd> last time I checked homosexuals call themselves gay
[0:18] <RITRedbeard> or have there been re-runs of Honey, I shrunk the noun(s) again?
[0:18] <tntexplosivesltd> that is what I meant
[0:18] <tntexplosivesltd> homosexual
[0:18] <Hideki> tntexplosivesltd, yes, but they don't say everything and its dog is gay for no reason
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[0:18] <RITRedbeard> knackered
[0:18] <RITRedbeard> wow
[0:18] <tntexplosivesltd> but I meant that it is homosexual
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[0:18] <RITRedbeard> how far are we talking here?
[0:19] <Hideki> it depedns, the range of the bike is 20 miles if I don't pedal and 30 if I do
[0:19] <RITRedbeard> when I was working in colorado I knew people who'd bike 20 miles to work just for fun
[0:19] <Hideki> although I may modify it to increase that
[0:19] <Hideki> yes, well, we clearly have very different ideas of what's fun
[0:19] <Hideki> lol
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[0:19] <RITRedbeard> and I was biking a total of 8 miles and I have very bad asthmarr
[0:19] <tntexplosivesltd> yay
[0:19] <tntexplosivesltd> he's gone
[0:19] <Thorn_> knackered after 20 miles? i think you need to pedal a bit more mate ;p
[0:19] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: *asthma XD
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[0:19] <RITRedbeard> sucks to my asthmarrrrrrr
[0:20] <Hideki> I'm in the process of giving up smoking atm
[0:20] <Hideki> so that might help
[0:20] <tntexplosivesltd> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[0:20] <RITRedbeard> speaking of gay: just pretend every cig you smoke is a prick.
[0:20] <Hideki> but really, it's about teh most advanced form of transport I can get that doesn't involve tax, mot, insurance
[0:20] <Hideki> so that's what I went with
[0:20] <Hideki> I'm 4 days in now, I should imagine I'll stay stopped this time
[0:20] <tntexplosivesltd> or just stop being weak
[0:20] <RITRedbeard> You think you're cool with a little tiny prick in your mouth? You feel all awesome and cool now?
[0:21] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[0:21] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[0:21] <mrdragons> So what do you do when it rains?
[0:21] <Hideki> tntexplosivesltd, are you sure you're not american?
[0:21] <Hideki> get wet
[0:21] <RITRedbeard> ...Just got real.
[0:21] <mrdragons> And what if he's actually gay? >_>
[0:21] <tntexplosivesltd> i really am not
[0:21] <RITRedbeard> mrdragons, bike anyway
[0:21] <RITRedbeard> thats how we rolled
[0:22] <RITRedbeard> We don't have the luxury of taking the River Thames on the HMS Plesure
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> Whatever the hell that is supposed to mean... the river's name is Thames. You don't have to get all third person up in here.
[0:23] <tntexplosivesltd> Hideki: I am from new Zealand
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> With your damned monocles and top hats... smoking jackets and what not.
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[0:23] <Hideki> hrm, interesting
[0:23] <tntexplosivesltd> * New Zealand
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> So you're a Maori?
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[0:23] <tntexplosivesltd> nooope fuck that
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[0:24] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: where are you from? How do you know about Maori >.>
[0:25] <MystX> Well they do kind of shove it in everyone's faces
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> I'm from the exotic land of Jersey. New Jersey.
[0:25] <MystX> Especially UK with the olympics
[0:25] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> We call it the Delaware River, btw.
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> Not the RIVER DELAWARE
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[0:26] <tntexplosivesltd> I have no idea what you are talking about
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> You British people try to get all cute and posh with how you call rivers by saying "River (TheRiverName)".
[0:26] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: hpw have you heard about Maori?
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[0:26] * iMatttt is half kiwi
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> I get around, in more ways than one.
[0:26] <Hideki> meh
[0:26] <tntexplosivesltd> iMatttt: =D
[0:26] <Hideki> olympics
[0:26] <Hideki> massive white elephant we can ill afford
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[0:28] <RITRedbeard> As opposed to "The (RiverName) river."
[0:30] <Hideki> just an american difference I think, the two near me are river (name)
[0:30] <MystX> YAY i have an xbox again!
[0:30] <MystX> instead of lots of pieces of an xbox
[0:30] <Hideki> anyone from canada/au/nz want to weigh in?
[0:30] <MystX> Hideki: weigh in?
[0:30] <Hideki> lol, fixed my ps3 today, its' no longer YLOD but super noisy, think this thermal compound is substandard
[0:30] <Hideki> river as prefix or suffix?
[0:30] <MystX> Oh
[0:30] <MystX> suffix
[0:30] <ShiftPlusOne> why are you guys arguing about rivers? O_o
[0:30] <Hideki> oh, so not a commonwealth thing then, just here
[0:31] <MystX> Yeah
[0:31] <MystX> but our rivier names are all hard to promounce
[0:31] <MystX> pronounce*
[0:31] <MystX> Wanganui river.. Waikato river
[0:31] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: hutt. that's easy
[0:32] <MystX> Hutt river is an exception
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> * whanganui
[0:32] <MystX> Fuck you
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> the river always has the h
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> it's never been anything but
[0:32] <MystX> Oh yeah
[0:32] <Thorn_> so a river walks into a bar(ge)
[0:32] <MystX> I get confused because i dont usually care
[0:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[0:33] <tntexplosivesltd> neither
[0:33] <tntexplosivesltd> obviously
[0:33] <MystX> lunch time
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[0:33] <mrdragons> Quick, post while the mods are gone!
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ... I am a mod =/
[0:34] <Hideki> I can't really think of anything that'd be against the rules in here
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[0:34] <MystX> Invasion of the bots
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> but we can cut some sort of deal, I am sure.
[0:34] <Thorn_> maybe the constant use of heavy language
[0:34] <Hideki> oh, I could bring chii in here I suppose
[0:34] <mrdragons> <joke />
[0:34] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: noodle canteen for lunch? not much to eat here =\
[0:35] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: you should come to the isle of man this year!
[0:35] <Thorn_> mad sunday will be a blast
[0:35] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: already having lunch soz
[0:35] <MystX> =|
[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> unfortunatly I can't fly out to the UK for a weekend
[0:35] <MystX> What are you having? i need ideas
[0:35] <Hideki> plus you'll probably be forced to stay here under terrorism legislation
[0:36] <Hideki> even more erosions to our right of due process announced a short time ago
[0:36] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: it's a full week if you stick around to watch guy martin/john mcguiness etc race round the track
[0:36] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: sandwiches from fresh bun bakery
[0:36] <MystX> hmm..
[0:36] <Hideki> http://defencebrief.blogspot.com/2012/01/stop-delaying-justice.html
[0:36] <Thorn_> but screw watching other people do it, when they open the track to everyone a few days later :D
[0:36] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: blt =D
[0:36] <MystX> toast it is!
[0:36] <Hideki> I'd move if there was another country any better
[0:36] <Hideki> perahps when mitt starts his lunar colony
[0:37] * Hideki rolls an eye
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, they actually open it up for everyone? Don't a lot of idiots die then?
[0:37] <Thorn_> finland; australia; germany; norway
[0:37] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: they open the mountain region up to everyone. 37km no speedlimit
[0:37] <Hideki> australia, no, heh, any country that locks refugees up on an island for the crime of fleeing persecution isn't somewhere I'd want to live either
[0:37] <Thorn_> yeah 1 or 2 generally die every year
[0:37] <Hideki> that's even worse than here which takes some doing
[0:38] * Shy is now known as wewt
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Hideki, we're required to take in asylum seekers... we're not require to take in people who skip the queu. That's why it takes so long to proccess people, it's only a handful of actual asylum seekers. But yes, they could improve the beurocracy so that people don't wait for years in detention centres.
[0:39] <ShiftPlusOne> *required.... *and all the other spelling mistakes
[0:39] <Thorn_> maybe i should seek asylum in aus
[0:39] <Thorn_> probably cheaper to move there than to pay insurance here :D
[0:39] <ukscone> uh oh my blog has been pi'ed again :)
[0:40] <Hideki> I think we can move anywhere in the EU
[0:40] <Hideki> I really should look into that, lol
[0:40] <Thorn_> yeah, but why would you want to stay around the eu ;\
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[0:40] <Thorn_> i'd rather consider moving to south africa
[0:40] <Thorn_> which btw, has more internet tv stations than britain does :D
[0:40] <Hideki> well, not all countries are like here, france is still a pretty fair society, unfortunately it's also full of french people
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah... I don't know why, but a large percentage of French people are assholes for some reason.
[0:41] <victhor> the ones I know certainly are
[0:41] <Aquilus_> A large percentage of people are assholes for some reason.
[0:41] <Hideki> wasn't really being that serious there but we have been at war with them for most of the last 500 years, lol
[0:41] <Thorn_> yeah the french even hate rick astley
[0:41] <Thorn_> 'Never gonna give you up' makes no sense to a people that are always giving up.
[0:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I see what you did there
[0:42] <Thorn_> was a bit stretched
[0:42] <Aquilus_> Also, let me guess.. British people hating on the French?
[0:42] <Aquilus_> Someone alert the media!
[0:43] <Hideki> yeah, why do french flags have velcro sections? so the coloured parts can be quickly removed in the event of war..
[0:43] <Hideki> but lol, I suppose it has all been done to death
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Aquilus_, yes, but when I walk down the street in melbourne, I don't get attitude from strangers... people are polite for the most part. Doesn't seem to be the case in France. I know it only takes a few people to give a bad impression, so I wouldn't say that French people are assholes, just that it's easy to encounter assholes in France.
[0:43] <Aquilus_> [citation needed]
[0:43] <Aquilus_> That's just conjecture.
[0:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Personal experience of myself and everyone else who I've talked to who has travelled around.
[0:44] <Hideki> they do have that superiority thing pretty well down
[0:44] <Thorn_> french people are assholes
[0:44] <Thorn_> it's genetic
[0:44] <jardiamj> de que estaran hablando estos britanicos, me pregunto yo...
[0:45] <Aquilus_> La llama es un animal muy peligroso.
[0:45] <jardiamj> seguramente no tienen nada interesante que hablar..
[0:45] <jardiamj> muy peligroso...
[0:45] <Aquilus_> Si.
[0:45] <jardiamj> especialmente cuando te escupe en la cara..
[0:45] <slaeshjag> b??rk b??rk b??rk
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yup... there we go.
[0:45] <Hideki> alt.swedish.chef
[0:45] <Aquilus_> Been years since I lived in Spain, so my Spanish is getting rusty.
[0:46] <Thorn_> did they deport you for being french?
[0:46] <jardiamj> it's still good though..
[0:46] <Aquilus_> Thorn_: I'm Norwegian, so I should think not.
[0:46] <tntexplosivesltd> NORWAY!!
[0:46] <Aquilus_> Nor have I ever been close to a llama.
[0:46] <Thorn_> hey
[0:46] <Thorn_> my family heritage is norweigan
[0:46] <tntexplosivesltd> your point?
[0:47] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm saying norway is awesome
[0:47] <Thorn_> do you still carry big war axes around and stuff?
[0:47] <Thorn_> you dont hear much about norway in the news these days...
[0:47] <Aquilus_> Only during winter.
[0:47] <Aquilus_> Which is about 80% of the year.
[0:47] <Aquilus_> Need the axes to defend ourselves against polar bears.
[0:47] <Aquilus_> jardiamj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtQY3GYGpYI&feature=fvst
[0:47] <tntexplosivesltd> and normal bears?
[0:47] <Aquilus_> In case you didn't get the reference.
[0:47] <jardiamj> my family heritage is: Spanish, Greek, Turkish, Mayan and God know what else..
[0:48] <Aquilus_> tntexplosivesltd: None of those. We only like white bears.
[0:48] <tntexplosivesltd> okay then
[0:48] <jardiamj> God *knows..
[0:48] <Thorn_> god* knows..
[0:48] <tntexplosivesltd> there's no such thing
[0:48] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[0:48] <Aquilus_> Actually, it's God*
[0:48] <Thorn_> no it's god
[0:49] <Thorn_> if we're going to be racist, might as well be anti religionist now
[0:49] <Aquilus_> Not if you're addressing the Christian deity.
[0:49] <tntexplosivesltd> Aquilus_: there's no such thing
[0:49] <slaeshjag> Aquilus_: I heard about that white moose, was your favourite, wasn't it? ::/
[0:49] <tntexplosivesltd> so it's god
[0:49] <jardiamj> well, it depends... is it a proper name for you..
[0:49] <jardiamj> ??
[0:49] <Aquilus_> Existance isn't a requirement.
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> It's God, whether you're religious or not.
[0:49] <Aquilus_> Fictional characters should be capitalized as well :p
[0:49] <victhor> wtf are we going to argue on this now?
[0:49] <Thorn_> it's god
[0:49] <tntexplosivesltd> moving along
[0:49] <victhor> nobody cares. >_>
[0:50] <Aquilus_> It's an important topic :p
[0:50] <Thorn_> people do care
[0:50] <jardiamj> I don't care
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> Aquilus_: lol I like norway for its black metal
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess.... they told Jase to shut up so that they could argue about rivers, the french and God.
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> is there a lot of that where you come from?
[0:50] <slaeshjag> I like norway because they aren't in the EU
[0:50] <Aquilus_> tntexplosivesltd: Yeah.
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[0:50] <victhor> let's argue about sightlight's stupid project instead
[0:50] <Hideki> I'm not too keen on their whaling activities
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> see you guys, off to norway
[0:51] <jardiamj> slaeshjag: I like it because of that too...
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[0:51] <Aquilus_> Most Norwegians aren't into it though, myself included.
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> victhor: lol he's an idiot
[0:51] <haltdef> I don't think there's any disagreement over sightlight's stupid project :P
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[0:51] <Aquilus_> I'm more of a thrash and classic metal sort of guy.
[0:51] <victhor> just make fun of him
[0:51] <Thorn_> sightlight is a pretty cool dude
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahahahaha
[0:51] <Thorn_> refuses to bend over to societies forced way of thinking
[0:51] <Thorn_> he's the type of character that actually invents stuff!
[0:52] <xlq> and starts fires.
[0:52] <tntexplosivesltd> he's a freelance idiot
[0:52] <tntexplosivesltd> if it doesn't work it doesn't count as inventing
[0:52] <tntexplosivesltd> especially if it doesn't work because the theory behind it is wrong
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> due to physics
[0:53] <mrdragons> nah man, he's the next thomas edison.
[0:53] <Thorn_> it's arrogant to assume current theory is correct
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> Thorn_: you're kidding
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[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> surely
[0:53] <mrdragons> Exactly, theory is just theory. It's like evolution.
[0:53] <djazz> https://twitter.com/#!/daniel_hede/status/163046620982812673 enjoy ;)
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ut eectrical theory
[0:53] <xlq> Doing nothing new + Occam's razor = damned likely current theory is correct for you.
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> * but
[0:53] <Aquilus_> mrdragons: Haha, now you're pushing it :p
[0:54] <mrdragons> It's been boring tonight, I'm hoping for something exciting. :P
[0:54] <Aquilus_> I hope you're trolling ;)
[0:55] <Aquilus_> Because people who don't get what a scientific theory is annoy me.
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> xlq: hehehehehehe
[0:55] <djazz> anyone here use lego? :P
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I used to play with it
[0:55] <jardiamj> mrdragons: Who was Thomas Edison?
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> but then I grew up, and kept playing with it
[0:55] <djazz> check out above link
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> so it got taken from me
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[0:56] <jardiamj> are you talking about the thief Thomas Edison?
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[0:57] <djazz> tntexplosivesltd: https://twitter.com/#!/daniel_hede/status/163046620982812673/photo/1
[0:57] <mrdragons> jardiamj: Indeed.
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> djazz: I know, you liked earlier
[0:57] <Hideki> didn't know Edison nicked anything
[0:57] <Hideki> although he did kill a lot of animals
[0:57] <Hideki> including an elephant
[0:57] <Hideki> to demonstrate the competing AC electricity was unsafe
[0:57] <Thorn_> why do people always bring that up? as if 5% of previous inventions were ever credited to the right person...
[0:57] <jardiamj> oh well if he is gonna be the next Edison, then we should be worrying about him stealing ideas from here
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[0:57] <Hideki> (actually DC is much more dangerous)
[0:58] <Thorn_> if you fire enough AC at an elephant will it morph into a rubbery sinewave ?
[0:58] <tntexplosivesltd> Hideki: not true
[0:58] <Hideki> ((as if you grab a DC source it can cause your muscles to lock so you can't let go, that doesn't happen with AC))
[0:59] <victhor> it's the other way around
[0:59] <Hideki> It isn't...
[0:59] <victhor> 50/60Hz AC has a tendency to cause that...
[0:59] <Hideki> I've been bitten by 240V AC a few times
[0:59] <mrdragons> Prove it.
[0:59] <Hideki> it's never had that effect
[0:59] <Hideki> however a megga did, which was putting out DC
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Hideki, it's not a guaranteed effect
[0:59] <Hideki> (megger?)
[0:59] <victhor> neither it happened with me. But I know it happens.
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> AC stops the heart more easily
[1:00] <MystX> I bet youre all wrong
[1:00] <Hideki> oh well, it might do that, I don't know
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> but DC does electrolyse your body
[1:00] <Thorn_> why dont you try it and see? set up the webcam first tho
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't judge how dangerous it is based on whether or not you can get 'hooked up' to it. There's more to consider.
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> making toxins
[1:00] <Hideki> I'll pass
[1:00] <mrdragons> MystX: I bet electricity doesn't even exist.
[1:00] <Thorn_> "Tonight in #rasberrypi!"
[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> I bet you're all in my head
[1:01] <Thorn_> there's not enough room
[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> I have an abnormally large head
[1:01] <Hideki> here he sits, brain the size of a planet
[1:01] <Hideki> probably got a pain down all the diodes in his left hand side too -.o
[1:01] <Aquilus_> Yeah, mrdragons.
[1:01] <Aquilus_> Electricity is just a theory.
[1:02] <mrdragons> Exactly.
[1:02] <Hideki> so is gravity
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[1:02] <tntexplosivesltd> boom
[1:02] <MystX> So is your mother
[1:02] <Hideki> are we going to have a hypothesis vs theory type conversation?
[1:02] <MystX> No
[1:02] <Hideki> no creationists in here I hope, lol
[1:03] <Thorn_> my hypothesis is that everyone's having a terribly quiet night
[1:03] <Aquilus_> I don't think those acknowledge the existanceo f the internet, Hideki.
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[1:03] <tntexplosivesltd> Aquilus_: they use it to sell their lies
[1:04] <mrdragons> their theories*
[1:04] <xlq> I read that as "hypothesis vs. type theory conversation".
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> lies
[1:04] <Aquilus_> THAT'S JUST YOUR THEORY, MAN
[1:04] <Hideki> ken ham doesn't even have cake, just the lies -.-
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> stop being PC
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
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[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> so what's this chan about again? =P
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[1:06] <MystX> I dunno but im listening to the pokemon theme song
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[1:06] <xlq> "I'm listening to the Pok??mon theme song. Your argument is invalid."
[1:07] <mrdragons> tntexplosivesltd: This channel is about life, man
[1:07] <tntexplosivesltd> that's sad...
[1:07] <ukscone> rkdavis@rusty:~$ sudo crontab -l
[1:07] <ukscone> # m h dom mon dow command
[1:07] <ukscone> 0 * * * * /usr/sbin/apache2ctl restart >/dev/null 2>&1
[1:07] <ukscone> that's right for a trstart every hour isn't it?
[1:07] <Hideki> why do you need to restart apache every hour?
[1:07] <xlq> lol
[1:07] <MystX> thatll go every minute
[1:07] <xlq> Microsoft(R) Apache(R) httpd(R)
[1:07] <MystX> nope
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[1:07] <MystX> carry on. ignore me
[1:07] <ukscone> ok what is every hour?
[1:07] <chris_99> no, every minute would be all asterixes
[1:08] <Hideki> that would be every second
[1:08] <chris_99> what?!
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> >.< * asterisks
[1:08] <chris_99> cron works on a minute basis
[1:08] <mrdragons> Lol restart every second
[1:08] <Hideki> does it?
[1:08] <chris_99> not seconds basis
[1:08] <chris_99> yes
[1:08] <IT_Sean> why are you restarting apache every hour?
[1:08] * Hideki checks the manpage on crontab
[1:09] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: Crontab is like windows. Eats a lot of RAM and needs to be rebooted regulary to keep it happy
[1:09] <Hideki> oh, I sit corrected
[1:09] <Hideki> a while since I've had to edit it manually
[1:09] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: http://www.1-day.co.nz/products/AA4ANN1SL
[1:09] <ukscone> There are several special predefined values which can be used to substitute the CRON expression.
[1:09] <ukscone> Entry Description Equivalent To
[1:09] <ukscone> @yearly (or @annually) Run once a year, midnight, Jan. 1st 0 0 1 1 *
[1:09] <ukscone> @monthly Run once a month, midnight, first of month 0 0 1 * *
[1:09] <ukscone> @weekly Run once a week, midnight on Sunday 0 0 * * 0
[1:09] <ukscone> @daily Run once a day, midnight 0 0 * * *
[1:09] <ukscone> @hourly Run once an hour, beginning of hour 0 * * * *
[1:09] <ukscone> @reboot Run at startup
[1:09] <MystX> =|
[1:09] <MystX> holy pastespam batman
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[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> and to think... he's an op...
[1:10] <IT_Sean> heh
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: yes
[1:10] <IT_Sean> hush you
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> yes yes yes
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[1:10] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: buy one each for the flat??
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> thw hourly one you have looks fine
[1:10] <MystX> Like, burn and neo too?
[1:11] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: whatget one each
[1:11] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[1:11] <MystX> yeah. so 4 total
[1:12] <Hideki> I dunno, apache 2 manages to run for months at a time on my dedi without requiring restarts, if yours does I'd be looking for the core problem
[1:12] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: I wonder how far the power extends
[1:13] <MystX> Well we should be able to conect all 4 power pieces
[1:13] <tntexplosivesltd> true
[1:13] <tntexplosivesltd> delivering to work?
[1:13] <MystX> So we'd have close to 30m of track
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[1:13] <MystX> lol
[1:14] <tntexplosivesltd> oh.... hmm
[1:14] <tntexplosivesltd> not sure if it's worth it
[1:14] <MystX> Why not?
[1:14] <tntexplosivesltd> where would it go?
[1:14] <MystX> through the whole house?i dunno
[1:15] <MystX> meh
[1:15] <tntexplosivesltd> when would it get used? Never
[1:15] <MystX> prbly
[1:15] <DaQatz> All your pi, will belong to ME.
[1:16] <mrdragons> Ew, not windows ME. D:
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: and it's probably some chinese crap XD
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> although, it would be cool for a bit
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> and there's a loop...
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> and crossovers...
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[1:20] <MystX> Yeah
[1:20] <MystX> Also, you can still dualboot linux on PS3s with some hacking
[1:20] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, I am undecided
[1:20] <tntexplosivesltd> awesome
[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> checking trademe
[1:21] <traeak> wow, rpi b has similar memory resources
[1:21] <traeak> heh
[1:21] <traeak> port the ps3 linux ?
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[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> nah, unrelated
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[1:23] <mrdragons> Linux can never run in 256mb of ram.
[1:23] <MystX> =|
[1:23] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: im not sure if you can still go onlien afterwards though
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: you're either trolling or a fool
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: http://www.trademe.co.nz/gaming/playstation-3/consoles/auction-442334243.htm
[1:24] <mrdragons> No man, because gnome3 on ubuntu takes like 353mb just idle
[1:24] <mrdragons> How is it supposed to fit into 256mb?
[1:24] <ReggieUK> gnome3 needs a punch then really?
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: 0/10 too obvious
[1:24] <DaQatz> gnome3 why would you run that?
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
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[1:25] <mrdragons> Okay, seriously now, I didn't think gnome 3 was bad
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[1:25] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: you can get a new one for an extra $50
[1:25] <mrdragons> I don't use it, but I don't think it's bad
[1:25] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: true, thought this was new too
[1:25] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: =|
[1:25] <tntexplosivesltd> any gnome is bad
[1:26] <mrdragons> Not trolling this time, really
[1:26] <tntexplosivesltd> neither
[1:26] <tntexplosivesltd> any gnome is bad
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[1:26] <tntexplosivesltd> it needs to be more lightweight
[1:26] <tntexplosivesltd> waaaay more
[1:27] <mrdragons> No, KDE needs to work on being lightweight
[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> they both do
[1:27] <mrdragons> Gnome is a decend middleground
[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> kde is worse
[1:27] <mrdragons> decent*
[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> no it isn't
[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> XFCE or LXDE
[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> gnome is almost as bad as kde
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[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> but forget trying to run either of them on the R-Pi
[1:28] <mrdragons> It's just that it's usually run on ubuntu that makes it look heavy
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> no, it is heavy
[1:28] <mrdragons> you can trim it down a good bit
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[1:28] <mrdragons> At least gnome 2
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> that requires manual intervention
[1:28] <mrdragons> ...And?
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> we;re lazy
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> * we're
[1:29] <mrdragons> A lazy person wouldn't have corrected that. >_>
[1:29] <tntexplosivesltd> I do like that you can take parts from gnome without needing everything else
[1:30] <mrdragons> But really, gnome 2 isn't much heavier than xfce4
[1:31] <tntexplosivesltd> yea it is
[1:31] <tntexplosivesltd> esp. to download everything
[1:31] <tntexplosivesltd> personally I use none of the above
[1:32] <mrdragons> Same, I pretty much don't use DEs at all any more.
[1:33] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: also that PS3 was a 320GB vs a 160GB
[1:34] <MystX> meh
[1:38] <mrdragons> So what is you all up to?
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[1:43] <Hideki> hrm
[1:43] <Hideki> would a USB to VGA adapter be usable on the raspberry pi for displays taht do neither composite nor hdmi?
[1:43] <Hideki> I'm not sure which if any of those are supported by linux
[1:44] <tntexplosivesltd> no, it would be very hard
[1:44] <tntexplosivesltd> best to get HDMI to VGA
[1:44] <Hideki> wouldn't that require an expensive converter box
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> as opposed to an expensive converter box for a USB port?
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> it would be pretty hard to tell the GPU to use the USB port
[1:45] <tntexplosivesltd> instead of the HDMI
[1:46] <Hideki> wel, you wouldn't
[1:46] <Hideki> the USB to VGA adapters have GPUs in them
[1:46] <Hideki> the main issue is the speed of the USB port from what I remember
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[1:46] <Hideki> but it seems there's kernel support for at least some of them so I'll just wait until I'm holding hardware
[1:47] <Hideki> just seems a shame to chuck away this big old monitor when I could put it in the bedroom, attach a raspberry pi to it and use it to watch my video content over the network
[1:47] <Morgawr> hello everyone, I just checked this http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/27/setting-up-a-vm-for-raspberry-pi-development-using-virtualbox-scratchbox2-qemu-part-1/ awesome post and I'm wondering.. isn't the raspi ARM based? What image should I download (I want to use debian) for my VM? Isn't it the ARM one? (In the picture it says ubuntu i386). I'm confused
[1:47] <Hideki> but if it's going to be super expensive there's no point really, lol
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[1:48] <tntexplosivesltd> even in NZ, HDMI to VGA adapters are cheaper than USB to VGA
[1:48] <Hideki> oh right, hrm
[1:48] <tntexplosivesltd> and it's probably hard to use an alternative GPU thingy
[1:48] <EastLight> composite out seems a bit pointless nowadays - I guess the gfx chip they're using just happened to include it?
[1:48] <Hideki> I'll look at the cost of hdmi to vga then
[1:48] <tntexplosivesltd> EastLight: I will be using it
[1:49] <EastLight> just for video playback?
[1:49] <EastLight> text will be hard to read, unless it has a monochrome mode
[1:49] <tntexplosivesltd> using an old portable DVD player with composite in for its 2 7" screens
[1:49] <Hideki> oh aye, they're only 30 quid
[1:49] <Hideki> thought they were a lot more
[1:50] <tntexplosivesltd> D
[1:50] <tntexplosivesltd> * =D
[1:51] <Morgawr> nobody can explain to me why he's using an i386 image in a VirtualBox VM instead of an ARM image? isn't the raspberry pi ARM?
[1:52] <victhor> the image is supposed to have a development environment
[1:52] <slaeshjag> Morgawr: VirtualBox doesn't support ARM?
[1:52] <mrdragons> Virtualbox can only do i386 binary
[1:52] <mrdragons> Well, 32 bit binary
[1:52] <victhor> the compilers, etc all run on x86 and cross compile ARM binaries
[1:52] <victhor> better than running native compilers on qemu arm
[1:52] <Morgawr> ah.. so it's just a simple linux environment that compiles into ARM binaries...
[1:52] <Morgawr> I thought he was somehow setting up a whole ARM virtual machine
[1:53] <mrdragons> Nah
[1:53] <Morgawr> to emulate/simulate a raspi
[1:53] <hamitron> why not just use a chroot?
[1:53] <tntexplosivesltd> man I hate social networking
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[1:53] <victhor> you can't have a chroot on windows :)
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> Hideki: you have to be careful, some places sell passive HDMI to VGA cables that just don't work
[1:54] <Hideki> yes, I saw a lot fo those
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't even understand how companies can get away with selling them
[1:54] <traeak> heh
[1:54] <traeak> money!
[1:54] <Hideki> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170758103779
[1:54] <tntexplosivesltd> what do they expect them to do
[1:54] <Hideki> that looks like it'll work
[1:55] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[1:55] <Hideki> I assume there are devices taht take HDMI through the VGA port, projectors maybe
[1:55] <hamitron> victhor, thanks for highlighting my stupid mistake :D
[1:55] <victhor> AFAIK there's specific hardware that is supposed to be used with those passive cables
[1:55] <Hideki> my old optoma needed adapters for RGB and Component
[1:55] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, maybe
[1:55] <Hideki> that went into the VGA port
[1:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[1:55] <Hideki> never actually seen HDMI done that way but they must make the cables for something
[1:58] <victhor> I have a dumb USB male A to male A, seriously. Turns out some hardware made by "Olimex" use female A connectors to provide a USB device.
[1:58] <victhor> in my case I cut it in half and used one half to make a USB fan. I lost the other end of the cable...
[1:58] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[1:59] <Dagger2> there's a lot of chinese hardware that pulls that device-side A port crap
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[1:59] <Dagger2> I've successfully managed to avoid buying any of it so far
[2:00] <hamitron> I got a media player with it, kinda cool
[2:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I wonderwhy chinese stuff so crap (in general)?
[2:00] <hamitron> a switch to change mode between host or device
[2:00] <tntexplosivesltd> * chinese stuff is so crap
[2:01] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, developing countries often have a different standard of expectation, compared to the developed parts of the world
[2:01] <tntexplosivesltd> but why does everyone want to make free trade agreements with them?
[2:01] <tntexplosivesltd> greed....
[2:01] <victhor> I'd blame it on the cost (come on, you paid $1 on a phone)
[2:01] <hamitron> yet we are greedy and choose to accept a lower quality for better prices
[2:01] <victhor> exaggeration
[2:02] <traeak> not just greed...sick of dealing with the bullshit in their own countries
[2:03] <tntexplosivesltd> well, depends on the country
[2:03] <hamitron> like strikes and workers rights?
[2:03] <hamitron> ;)
[2:03] <tntexplosivesltd> we have little bullshit
[2:04] <traeak> hamitron: unions have far outlived their usefulness and frankly unions are repulsive in that they elminate the freedome of those who don't want to be part of the union
[2:04] <hamitron> honestly, I think money is the biggest part
[2:04] <hamitron> :/
[2:04] <traeak> so yes, if you want to say it...unions are a huge problem
[2:04] <hamitron> that is my view, just didn't want to step on toes
[2:04] <hamitron> ;)
[2:04] <feep> traeak: if they don't want to be part of the union, then why did they put that in the header file?
[2:04] * hamitron facedesk
[2:04] <traeak> feep: heh
[2:05] <feep> just use a pointer cast and disable the warning~
[2:05] <tntexplosivesltd> that's disgusting
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[2:05] <tntexplosivesltd> warnings are there for a reason =D
[2:06] <feep> it probably doesn't matter below O3.
[2:06] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: i may have done a bad thing..
[2:07] <MystX> to your breadboard
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ....
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> what?
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> what'd you do
[2:07] <MystX> dropped solder on it
[2:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[2:08] <tntexplosivesltd> breadboard is so you don't need to solder
[2:08] <hamitron> how bigger roll of solder you have ffs? :|
[2:08] <MystX> aaand its kinda all melted in there
[2:08] <hamitron> :/
[2:08] <tntexplosivesltd> where abouts?
[2:08] <tntexplosivesltd> at one end?
[2:08] <MystX> so 2 holes are now ununable
[2:08] <MystX> yeah at one end
[2:08] <MystX> ill just buy you a new one and have this one
[2:09] <hamitron> you got no tape to soak up solder?
[2:09] <tntexplosivesltd> that's not so bad, at least it's not in the middle
[2:09] <tntexplosivesltd> hamitron: breadboard is plastic
[2:09] <MystX> I do. but will prbly melt all te plasdtic
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[2:09] <smw> Anyone know exactly what codecs the hardware for the RP supports?
[2:10] <hamitron> melting the breadboard is all part of the fun
[2:10] <hamitron> ;/
[2:10] <hamitron> although, I did mine when i was 9 years old, with overloading it
[2:10] <victhor> I was feeling like awesome today when I managed to solder a SMD without scorching the PCB
[2:10] <ShiftPlusOne> smw, just 1080p30 H.264 I think
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> do you know how hard it is to scorch a PCB?
[2:11] <piofcube> Mystx: You weren't tinning wires and holding them in place in the board were you?
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> I bet he was
[2:11] <MystX> >_>
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> trying to be all clever
[2:11] <tntexplosivesltd> he's always breaking my stuff
[2:11] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, that means nothing. There are different encoding profiles for h.264 and stuff like that
[2:12] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, and no one uses 30 fps video with h.264 :-P
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> high-profile or something... all the info we have available is on the wiki
[2:12] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, is there a way to get the hardware used so I can look it up?
[2:14] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, this got me excited :-). http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/571
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.broadcom.com/products/BCM2835
[2:14] <smw> thanks
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know if that's much help, but no worries.
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[2:17] <smw> I can't wait until they start shipping :-)
[2:17] <smw> They should probably sell the first batch for $50 to get some money before selling at $35 :-)
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> that would be a reasonable idea
[2:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I think Liz was mentioning something about buying licenses for different, common codecs, so I wouldn't be surprised if there will be more available later.
[2:18] <smw> tntexplosivesltd, from the sounds of it, they are too idealistic for that
[2:18] <victhor> I think the only reason they don't have anything other than H.264 is because A) they don't want to buy licenses for other codecs B) They knew how to implement it well
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah well
[2:18] <victhor> -only
[2:19] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, if it can support others with just software, people will find a way ;-)
[2:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah 'course
[2:19] <victhor> I hope they provide the OpenMAX API (the hardware supports it)
[2:19] <victhor> GStreamer supports it - it's crap but better than nothing
[2:20] <smw> what is OpenMAX?
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> wasn't that demo using OpenMAX/
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[2:20] <tntexplosivesltd> google it
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[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the guy says they're using OpenMAX to decode the video
[2:22] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, Another thing I would use this for. I would require students to buy it for a programming class.
[2:22] <victhor> good :)
[2:23] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, consistent OS and environment
[2:23] <smw> and so cheap :-)
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> smw, kind of not needed if they have PCs at home... you could give them a VM
[2:23] <victhor> I don't know how this works, but would this allow one to use gstreamer and use any codecs provided by it (as it has openmax support)?
[2:23] <victhor> s/but/so
[2:23] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, that is true. Make people install virtualbox then hand out DVDs...
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> One of my lecturers just gave us a livecd with all the programs, lecture notes and labs included... so everyone had the same environment
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> worked great
[2:24] <smw> cool
[2:25] <tntexplosivesltd> did you punch him for forcing you into an environment that might not be what you're used to?
[2:25] <smw> I want to see xvid and divx support on RP :-)
[2:25] <tntexplosivesltd> (coding environment I mean)
[2:25] <MystX> ok we are go for operation eepromfail
[2:25] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, not really as it was a good environment and the guy planned and tested everything very well beforehand.
[2:26] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[2:26] <ShiftPlusOne> this guy http://pjradcliffe.wordpress.com/ probably the best lecturer I've had.
[2:27] <MystX> brb rebooting
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[2:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: did he provide the IDE?
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[2:32] <MystX> no dice yet
[2:33] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[2:34] <MystX> but no resistors in yet
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, yeah, but that didn't mean you couldn't install your own. The main problem was that during the labs we had to use Dev-C++ in windows. Then the code was compiled elsewhere in linux... so you really had to make sure your code was cross-platform and bugfree
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> eww
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> well that's fine
[2:34] <tntexplosivesltd> the last part
[2:35] <tntexplosivesltd> enforces good coding practices
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> what a lot of people did was use system("PAUSE"); while debugging then forget to take it out... which meant the code didn't compile and they failed.
[2:35] <tntexplosivesltd> well that's silly
[2:36] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd, pull up resistors = still nothing
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[2:37] <MystX> but they're 3k3..
[2:37] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, hopefully 10s will be okay
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> *10k s
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> * 10k
[2:38] <feep> kiloseconds?
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: kileseconds = 10ks
[2:38] <tntexplosivesltd> * ks
[2:39] <feep> kay
[2:39] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[2:41] <MystX> tnt: setting hot plug detect on the dvi connector first
[2:42] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[2:45] <MystX> nothing
[2:45] <MystX> i dont see why it would be the value of the resistor though
[2:46] <MystX> hmm hang on
[2:47] <MystX> the clock and data pins are reading 0v
[2:47] <tntexplosivesltd> are they tied high with the resistors?
[2:47] <MystX> oh, nope
[2:47] <MystX> 5.2v
[2:48] <tntexplosivesltd> even if they are accessed?
[2:48] <tntexplosivesltd> well if it tries to access them
[2:48] <MystX> dunno
[2:50] <MystX> dont have a scope =\
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[2:53] <MystX> seriously wtf
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> MystX, are you in the market for a scope?
[2:57] <MystX> maybe
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> You can get a Rigol DS1025E and hack it to 100MHz (it only differs to the 100MHz model in software). That's what I've done and it has served me well so far
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> *DS1052E
[2:59] <MystX> huh
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> you weren't talking about oscilloscopes?
[3:01] <MystX> yeah
[3:01] <MystX> looks good
[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if they have patched the hack yet, so might be a good idea to check if they are still hackable.
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[3:02] <MystX> can get one of those for $400 here. not bad
[3:02] <tntexplosivesltd> =o
[3:02] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty good
[3:04] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: where from?
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[3:10] <MystX> some cello shop lol
[3:11] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd, ill come over now
[3:11] <MystX> you can have a go. i have to go stain a deck =|
[3:12] <hamitron> I've considered one of them LabJack for a long time
[3:12] <hamitron> http://www.audon.co.uk/labjack.html
[3:12] <tntexplosivesltd> loool
[3:12] <MystX> afk
[3:13] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, handy imo ;/
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[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> hamitron: was saying "looool" to MystX
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> I might get one of thise
[3:13] <tntexplosivesltd> * those
[3:13] <hamitron> I noticed after
[3:13] <hamitron> 2am, sorry
[3:13] <hamitron> :D
[3:14] <hamitron> that is the model I used for some stuff at uni
[3:14] <hamitron> may look around, see if there is anything better
[3:15] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, they're kinda expensive =(
[3:15] <hamitron> they are?
[3:15] <tntexplosivesltd> here
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[3:15] <hamitron> only ?95
[3:15] <tntexplosivesltd> that's a lot here man
[3:15] <hamitron> :/
[3:16] <hamitron> it would work well for me, as I have odd computers installed all places I do any work
[3:16] <hamitron> :)
[3:18] <tntexplosivesltd> so it's $129US
[3:18] <hamitron> it does a lot though
[3:18] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> so in $NZ that's like $170
[3:19] <hamitron> and easier to clear out of the way, than a full oscilloscope
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[3:19] <tntexplosivesltd> or $130NZ for the U3
[3:19] <hamitron> one negative, I'd probably lose it in the junk on my bench
[3:20] <tntexplosivesltd> which is better than the U12 =/
[3:21] <hamitron> gonna check drivers
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[3:27] <ukscone> part two up -- i had to stretch it to 3 parts after all though so not go to sb2 setup yet
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[4:50] <MagicalTux> Hi, just a suggestion: would be nice if there was the USB ACM driver included as module (actually, more usb drivers than currently, as the /lib/modules/3.1.4+/kernel/drivers/usb dir is virtually empty)
[4:55] <koaschten> it's linux, do it yourself :D
[4:57] <MagicalTux> koaschten: I'm trying to have a working cross compilation env working right now, but it'd be nice for future users to have more options
[5:01] <MagicalTux> maybe I should backup the SD before I start modifying stuff
[5:02] <mrdragons> Heh, my friday night time-waster: http://pastebin.com/7Dmsguif
[5:03] <LiENUX> bibly dibly
[5:03] <LiENUX> doobly boobly
[5:03] <LiENUX> i smelly a ickly pickly
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[5:14] <MagicalTux> ( ok, now I know why there's not much space on the 4GB sd card, there's a 692MB mkv in /root/ )
[5:14] <MagicalTux> (er in /home/pi )
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[5:17] <LiENUX> anyone else enjoying their model B?
[5:17] <LiENUX> i cant wait for the models A
[5:18] <smw> they shipped?
[5:18] <SpeedEvil> A limited number of B's shipped.
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[5:18] <LiENUX> i bought 15 already
[5:18] <SpeedEvil> To those with more money than sense^h^h^h^hgenerous donors.
[5:19] <LiENUX> wat?
[5:19] <LiENUX> they're only 35$
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> umm.
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> You are aware that no preorder sites are legit?
[5:19] <LiENUX> ...
[5:19] <LiENUX> umm
[5:19] <LiENUX> i have all 15 in my hand
[5:19] <LiENUX> well not in one hand lol
[5:19] <jmontleon> picture or it didn't happen
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[5:19] <LiENUX> 7 in one 8 in the other
[5:20] <LiENUX> jmontleon, picture of what? my cock?
[5:20] <mrdragons> I got my pis the other day too
[5:20] <mrdragons> Well, today
[5:20] <LiENUX> mrdragons, they rock dont they
[5:21] <LiENUX> i was pleasantly surprised to find the B isnt 256mb as originally promised
[5:21] <LiENUX> but 2gb
[5:21] <LiENUX> and the quad core cpu is fracking awesome
[5:21] * SpeedEvil wishes trolls would at least be original or innovative.
[5:21] <slaeshjag> obvious troll is obvious
[5:21] <LiENUX> who? jmontleon ?
[5:21] <smw> LiENUX, really?! Where did you buy it?
[5:21] <LiENUX> raspberrypi.com
[5:21] <smw> LiENUX, I didn't see it :-\
[5:22] <LiENUX> ...
[5:22] <LiENUX> they sold out in 2 days dude
[5:22] <smw> LiENUX, awww
[5:22] <smw> LiENUX, what are the specs?
[5:23] <smw> LiENUX, the said the memory was different, anything else?
[5:23] <LiENUX> quad core cpu 1.5ghz
[5:23] <LiENUX> 2gb goats
[5:23] <smw> goats?
[5:23] <LiENUX> 5 gigabit rj45 ports on a switch chip
[5:23] <LiENUX> rams
[5:23] <mrdragons> My free -m says there's 2056mb of memory
[5:23] <jmontleon> LiENUX, no, they don't have cameras with the enough magnification for that. I meant the 15 pis.
[5:23] <smw> sweet
[5:23] <LiENUX> mrdragons, vram
[5:23] <mrdragons> with 71mb used with default debian image
[5:24] * smw didn't even know they made 5 gigabit rj45 ports
[5:24] <MystX> Anyone know how hard it is to stream webcam data over a socket?
[5:24] <LiENUX> smw, 5 one gigabit rj45 ports
[5:24] <LiENUX> as in 5 ports
[5:24] <LiENUX> each one is one gigabit
[5:25] <LiENUX> MystX, depends on the socket
[5:25] <smw> LiENUX, ah
[5:25] <LiENUX> its really hard to stream it over a power socket
[5:25] <LiENUX> you need a bpl adapter to do that
[5:25] <MystX> LiENUX, assuming the bandwidth is there etc.
[5:25] <MystX> (haha)
[5:26] <MystX> Basically i want to stream a webcam feed, and display it at the other end
[5:26] <smw> MystX, vlc can do that easily
[5:26] <LiENUX> if you wantd to you could prolly just use something like nc
[5:26] <MystX> without going through skype or some shit
[5:26] <LiENUX> but youd be bette rwith vlc
[5:26] <smw> MystX, I am sure there are other options too
[5:26] <MystX> My thought is, i have an old remote control car with a dead battery
[5:27] <MystX> RC car + big new battery + R-Pi + GPIO + USB 3g stick + webcam = RC car that has no range limit
[5:27] <LiENUX> MystX, and redicilous latency :/
[5:28] <LiENUX> id look for a lte stick
[5:28] <LiENUX> creative use though
[5:28] <MystX> Dont think the latency on 3g would be THAT bad
[5:28] <LiENUX> 3g sucks :/
[5:28] <smw> MystX, I am thinking Raspberry Pi + xbmc + tv + hp touchpad with xbmc remote
[5:29] <smw> MystX, that would be awesome :-D
[5:29] <LiENUX> ...
[5:29] * LiENUX cummeds
[5:29] <LiENUX> if only ou could netflxi
[5:30] <MystX> meh. ive got a htpc so im set for that
[5:30] <mrdragons> We have tpb, that'll have to do
[5:30] <smw> MystX, this would have no sound
[5:30] <LiENUX> mrdragons, till its a felony
[5:30] <LiENUX> punishable by 20 years hard labor
[5:30] <smw> MystX, I have an htpc also
[5:30] <LiENUX> smw, no sound?
[5:30] <LiENUX> that suks
[5:31] <smw> LiENUX, lol. As in no fan sound while trying to enjoy your movie
[5:31] <LiENUX> oh
[5:31] <MystX> oh
[5:31] <MystX> Eh, mine's prety quiet
[5:31] <smw> You put the media server in the closet instead of hooked up to the TV
[5:31] <MystX> mini-ITX too
[5:31] <smw> MystX, I have a desktop :-P
[5:31] <MystX> lol
[5:32] <smw> MystX, although, it has 2 2-TB drives in it :-)
[5:32] <mrdragons> I can't wait to set mine up as an http server
[5:32] <MystX> Neither
[5:32] <LiENUX> i have a machine with 48 3tb drives
[5:32] <MystX> And attach it's screen. And hang it on the wall =D
[5:32] <LiENUX> eat that
[5:32] <MystX> Wtf
[5:33] <slaeshjag> Until recently, I had a pre y2k mac with 2.5 TB HDD :o
[5:33] <MystX> Why do you have over 100TB?
[5:33] <LiENUX> MystX, goat porns
[5:33] <MystX> Oh.
[5:33] <MystX> Fair enough
[5:33] <mrdragons> goatse*
[5:33] <MystX> I only have 3TB for that =(
[5:33] <LiENUX> take a guess on the price to build a machine that can hold 48 3tb drives + drives
[5:34] <smw> LiENUX, more than I can afford
[5:34] * smw wins
[5:34] <LiENUX> smw, around 7k
[5:34] <LiENUX> err not 48 45
[5:34] <LiENUX> sdrives
[5:34] <smw> LiENUX, see, I was right
[5:34] <LiENUX> http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
[5:36] <MystX> Hmm
[5:36] <MystX> Im going to need to upgrade soon
[5:36] <LiENUX> i dont really have one
[5:36] <LiENUX> but not a bad setup
[5:36] <MystX> And to RAID10 from RAID5
[5:36] <LiENUX> raid 0 is whre its at
[5:36] <MystX> Not if you dont want to lose shit
[5:37] <LiENUX> lol u chicken
[5:37] <LiENUX> i aint lost shit on my 135tb array
[5:37] <LiENUX> ...
[5:37] <MystX> The problem is i have 4 1TB drives in raid5
[5:37] <LiENUX> where the fuck are my carkeys
[5:37] <MystX> to get from 3tb to 4tb
[5:37] <MystX> i need 8 drives
[5:37] <LiENUX> you need 2 drives
[5:37] <MystX> but i cant just buy another 4. Because i cant migrate like that
[5:37] <LiENUX> raid0 on two two tb drives
[5:38] <MystX> Yeah. 4 total for RAID10. But Id rather not buy ALL of the storage again. when I already have laft of it
[5:38] <MystX> half*
[5:38] <LiENUX> so buy an old wrecked dixie
[5:38] <MystX> i wat
[5:38] <MystX> a wat*
[5:38] <LiENUX> or get your own and wreck it
[5:39] <LiENUX> then your dixie wrecked
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[5:39] <LiENUX> i bought 72 usb to sata adapters
[5:39] <LiENUX> and usb hubs
[5:40] <LiENUX> when i get my raspi
[5:40] <LiENUX> ima buy a buncha biggest hds possible (prolly 760gbers) and make a raid0 array with em
[5:40] <LiENUX> 760gb == bigger than your tiny 1tb
[5:40] <MystX> Why only 700gb?
[5:40] <LiENUX> cos
[5:40] <LiENUX> 700 > 1
[5:41] <LiENUX> biggest tb you can buy is 3
[5:41] <LiENUX> 700 still > than 3
[5:41] <MystX> nw you're just talking nonsense
[5:41] <LiENUX> ?
[5:41] <LiENUX> oo newegg has 760gbers on sale
[5:41] <LiENUX> woot ordered all my drives
[5:41] <MystX> ok good luck with that
[5:42] <LiENUX> plus gb drives are cheaper than tb drives
[5:42] <LiENUX> i dont need the extra speed of t
[5:42] <LiENUX> i need as much space as possible
[5:42] <LiENUX> so im buying gb drives
[5:42] <LiENUX> since im using raid0 it'll end up faster than tb drives anyway
[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> unless you have 1TB drives in RAID0
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[5:43] <tntexplosivesltd> you're not making any sense
[5:43] <LiENUX> youd sitll get only 72tbs
[5:43] <LiENUX> i'll hae 54720gbs
[5:43] <LiENUX> which is way more than 72
[5:44] <tntexplosivesltd> that makes no sense whatsoever
[5:44] <LiENUX> 7
[5:44] <LiENUX> 72*760==54
[5:44] <LiENUX> ==54720
[5:44] <tntexplosivesltd> you're bad at this
[5:45] <LiENUX> ?
[5:45] <tntexplosivesltd> do you know what a TB is?
[5:45] <LiENUX> its a speed
[5:45] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[5:46] <tntexplosivesltd> even if it was, it'd be faster than GB
[5:46] <MystX> http://www.memoryc.com/storage/externalharddrive/1tbtranscendstorejet35ultra.html
[5:46] <MystX> thinking about getting that
[5:46] <MystX> but i dont NEED the fan..
[5:46] <tlf82> 72 760gb hd's would be almost 54tb
[5:46] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUX: can't tell if trolling or just stupid
[5:46] <MystX> but it looks way better than an other enclosures
[5:47] <MystX> dont know if want =\
[5:48] <tntexplosivesltd> why is it so expensive?
[5:49] <MystX> i dunno its like $50 here
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[5:51] <MystX> actually might get this: http://s3.pji.nu/product/standard/800/680942.jpg
[5:51] <MystX> for USB3
[5:51] <MystX> Oh, the Pi doesnt have USB3..
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[5:53] <tlf82> which is unfortunate, usb3 us awesome
[5:53] <MystX> Hmm
[5:53] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUX: so which is it?
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[5:55] <tlf82> is he too embarrassed to talk now?
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I really don't know
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> hold on
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> wait
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> 72?
[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> all through the R-Pi's single USB/LAN chip
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[5:56] <tntexplosivesltd> come on he MUST be trolling
[5:56] <tlf82> that was my other "errrr" moment. if you have that kinda money, buy a real server......
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[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> it would be as fast as the R-Pi's but, which is not fery slow
[5:57] <tntexplosivesltd> * very
[5:57] <tlf82> yeah
[5:58] <tlf82> id like to set one up as a file server myself.
[5:59] <tlf82> or at least just to play with. have another computer that i think will fit that role better.
[6:00] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: what part of powerstrip were you using to try and talk to the EEPROM?
[6:02] <MystX> the rescan button
[6:02] <MystX> wait does your laptop have hdmi out?
[6:03] <tntexplosivesltd> yes
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't see any rescan button =(
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[6:20] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd, preferences->quisk setup
[6:20] <MystX> quick*
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[6:28] <tntexplosivesltd> does it show up as an adapter though?
[6:32] <MystX> what?
[6:32] <tntexplosivesltd> never mind
[6:33] <MystX> Whats that computer parts site you always use?
[6:33] <tntexplosivesltd> computerlounge
[6:33] <tntexplosivesltd> .co.nz
[6:34] <MystX> Oh man, 7000 series is out
[6:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I thought they were out a few weeks ago
[6:34] <MystX> 7970 is only $1k
[6:34] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty good for a *970
[6:35] <tntexplosivesltd> can't wait til I can get my PC
[6:36] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm shit, mobo is more expensive
[6:37] <MystX> they only have 7970s though =\
[6:37] <MystX> is the rest of the series not out?
[6:37] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, don't think so
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[6:40] <tntexplosivesltd> why does everything keep getting more expensive
[6:40] <tntexplosivesltd> it's only getting older
[6:43] <Tobias|> What's getting older? O_o'
[6:43] <mrdragons> Nothing, time is simply an illusion; a mispercieved dimension
[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> Tobias|: computer components
[6:46] <Tobias|> Hell no
[6:46] <Tobias|> The 7970 has billions more transistors than the 6000 series
[6:47] <tntexplosivesltd> NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
[6:47] <tntexplosivesltd> CAPS LOCK IS ON
[6:48] <Tobias|> lookofdisapproval.txt
[6:48] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[6:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I meant that the same components I have been looking at for the past few months keep getting more expensive
[6:49] <Tobias|> say wat
[6:49] <Tobias|> :<
[6:51] <tntexplosivesltd> inorite
[6:54] <mrdragons> !g google
[6:54] <PiBot> mrdragons: http://www.google.com/ - "Google"
[6:54] <tntexplosivesltd> !help g
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[7:33] <mrdragons> So
[7:33] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[7:33] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[7:58] <MystX> yes
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[10:15] <ElGalambo__> so what is the catch with the raspberry?
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[10:28] <haltdef> it's slow
[10:29] <rm> and you can't actually buy one
[10:29] <rm> not until after some weeks
[10:29] <mrdragons> ElGalambo__: You must sell 4 years of your life to hard physical labor mining various ores to make materials to manufacture pis
[10:29] <rm> and a slim chance even then
[10:29] <ElGalambo__> what abut the talk about its graphics performance?
[10:30] <ElGalambo__> mrdragons lmao
[10:30] <mrdragons> It's got pretty good graphics and stuff mayne
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[16:48] <Henchman21> longest few weeks of my life
[16:49] <xlq> Oh?
[16:57] <Henchman21> yeah i cant wait to order a rasberry pi
[16:57] <xlq> Oh.
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[17:22] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[17:22] <mrdragons> Aw, PiBot left. :\
[17:25] <Henchman21> i think i read somewhere it was expected to take 3-5 weeks after mass production began around the 24th? or a week earlier
[17:25] <Henchman21> so... my guess is earlyy february
[17:25] <Henchman21> :P
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> I stand by my guess of March 14th.
[17:27] <xlq> My guess is for November.
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[17:27] <MartijnVdS> xlq: which year
[17:27] <xlq> Don't know :-\
[17:28] <Henchman21> pretty sure they are being made as we speak
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[17:31] <Aquilus_> 2014
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[17:44] <mrdragons> Pfft, it's just vaporware.
[17:47] <victhor> there is more chance of rhombus tech actually coming out with a finished product than the pi being released.
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[17:56] <Aquilus_> They've been saying "a couple of weeks" for the last couple of weeks.
[17:56] <Aquilus_> So it doesn't seem like it's getting anywhere :p
[17:57] <feep> XD
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[18:02] <hamitron> not surprising it isn't out yet, tbh
[18:03] <hamitron> normally take 21 days just to get something ready built, shipped from china ;)
[18:03] <victhor> but it's holiday there :P
[18:03] <mrdragons> They've been working incredibly quickly, espescially for a charity foundation
[18:03] <mrdragons> I can't complain
[18:04] <hamitron> so there is china on holiday, time to produce, shipping, then they may want to test some of the batch
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[19:25] <mrdragons> hmm, chat is dead today
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[19:29] <RobinJ> how often are they going to postpone the date when they'll be available?
[19:29] <mrdragons> Forever
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[19:30] <RobinJ> seems like it
[19:30] <RobinJ> no but seriously is there some logical reason why it always gets postponed?
[19:31] <haltdef> the end of december early jan estimate was based on manufacturing in the uk I believe
[19:31] <mrdragons> ...Is that a serious question?
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[19:32] <WASDx> they set optimistic dates rather than realistic
[19:33] <mrdragons> And that; they haven't had any official release dates
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[19:41] <zgreg> I've seen this coming (delay after delay) but people didn't believe me back then...
[19:42] <duckinator> i'm pretty sure they said something along the lines of "we're hoping...", not "we're going to ...", anyway
[19:43] <zgreg> right, but people read it as "will be release in november"
[19:43] <zgreg> *released
[19:44] <duckinator> meh, i dunno. at this point it's quite obviously not just a lot of hot air, so personally i'll just wait impatiently for the Pi's arrival ;P
[19:44] <zgreg> after the november date was announced, i predicted availability in spring 2012
[19:44] <zgreg> looks like I wasn't so wrong :D
[19:47] <zgreg> duckinator: at the start it wasn't so clear that it isn't just hot air, though
[19:47] <zgreg> raspberry pi might have turned out to be another openpandora
[19:47] <duckinator> yea, but imo now it is, since some people have gotten their hands on early versions
[19:47] <duckinator> now it is clear*, that is
[19:47] <mrdragons> Nah, openpandora was totally different
[19:48] <zgreg> duckinator: I think the rpi team has proven in many ways that they're competent and up to the job
[19:48] <duckinator> mhm
[19:48] <mrdragons> I think the biggest obvious difference is that there was no preorders
[19:50] <duckinator> i'd consider that a smart move on their part -- means they're free to perfect it instead of rushing to avoid upsetting people who've already paid them
[19:50] <duckinator> which in the end *is* better for anyone who gets a Pi :)
[19:51] <mrdragons> Exactly, they're completely free from obligations to people in the event that something does go terribly wrong
[19:55] <Tachyon`> you're making me nervous
[19:55] <mrdragons> Heh
[19:55] <Tachyon`> I do like the pandora, the pi is useful for differnet things (a /lot/ of different things)
[19:56] <Tachyon`> was pondering a beowulf cluster of pis with a pandora as control node, could be made entirely portable (well, when I'm able to buy 16 of them at least which will probably be some time away)
[19:56] <mrdragons> Hmm, that would be really interesting
[19:57] <zgreg> Tachyon`: what should that be useful for?
[19:57] <zgreg> a single x86 quadcore offers more performance than that
[19:58] * Tachyon` rolls an eye
[19:58] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure that's correct
[19:58] <zgreg> I'm sure of that
[19:58] <Tachyon`> but even if it were, think of the power consumption
[19:58] <mrdragons> You can roll one eye at a time? 0_o
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[19:58] <Tachyon`> I keep the other one watching my back
[19:58] <Tachyon`> at all times ;p
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[19:58] <mrdragons> Ah
[19:59] <Tachyon`> but really, it's more of an educational idea to demonstrate clustering than for any particular purpose
[19:59] <zgreg> Tachyon`: yeah, thought so
[19:59] <Tachyon`> would be small enough to move around etc.
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[19:59] <zgreg> but still, clustering isn't really popular anymore for good reasons
[20:00] <zgreg> what's the point?
[20:00] <Tachyon`> look, you do what you want, I'll do what I want, I don't see why I should be bloody answerable to anyone on it, heh
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[20:02] <mrdragons> It's not what I would do with it, thus, you are wrong.
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[20:03] <zgreg> sure you can do whatever you want, I'm just interested in the motivation behind it
[20:05] <zgreg> and really, if you look at raw processing power, the rpi is very weak
[20:05] <zgreg> intel atom is a monster compared to arm11
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[20:13] <mrdragons> Atoms cost a good bit more than a pi though, and take a bit more power
[20:13] <mrdragons> I think it's more for the experience of setting up a working cluster
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[20:14] <mrdragons> Not necessarily having a powerful cluster
[20:15] <Aquilus_> I guess.
[20:16] <Aquilus_> I had the pleasure of playing around with a multi-million cluster last summer. Fun internship :p
[20:23] <duckinator> zgreg: btw, re "a single x86 quadcore offers more performance than that" -- if the Pi has any place in a cluster, it's for running many simple things in parallel, although it may need a third model with dual-ethernet....but i'm going to see about that sometime later this year :)
[20:24] <duckinator> it may be ok if you use the slower USB-based ethernet connection for talking to the controller, and the integrated one for talking to the other nodes...but i also have no cluster-related experience
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[20:42] <pygo> duckinator: the integrated ethernet port on the raspberry pi is a USB one
[20:42] <pygo> the chipset also includes a usb hub which gives you the other two usb ports
[20:42] <zgreg> the only external "bus" that exists on the rpi is a single usb port
[20:42] <pygo> the broadcom CPU only gives you one usb port, which the ethernet goes off of
[20:43] <pygo> and why aren't pies for sale yet? :'(
[20:46] <zgreg> because...
[20:47] <ukscone> ugh I hate my upstream bandwidth. another 2 hours before the videos will finish uploading to youtube :(
[20:48] <mrdragons> 0_o
[20:48] <mrdragons> How big are they?
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[20:51] <duckinator> pygo: i meant an external USB ethernet port...but i think that means 2 USB ethernet ports will effectively be going over a single USB connection to the Pi :<
[20:51] <ukscone> one is 130MB one is 314MB give or take
[20:51] <ukscone> i tried converting them to swf but youtube won't deal with them being uploaded which i thought it would
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[21:16] <zgreg> ukscone: transcode to something else, then?
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[21:18] <ukscone> zgreg: i don't have the tools to do so installed and no inclination to install them. i don't use youtube enough to really be that bothered. just whineing about how crap my internet is really :D
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[21:34] <o19> Hi, does anyone know why they removed the forum widget from their website?
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> Forums are still up
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[21:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> Are they not linked off the main page or somethibgn?
[21:38] <o19> yep, latest posts used to be linked off the main page...
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:39] <o19> which was quite useful for those not having an account :)
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Making an count isn't really ahard
[21:40] <ukscone> pi'ed again :D
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[21:42] <mrdragons> So ukscone, is it out yet?
[21:42] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[21:55] <DaQatz> ...
[21:55] <DaQatz> I do not think I'm even going to bother running pibot until I can restart his server.
[21:55] <DaQatz> The connection here is to poor.
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[21:56] <mrdragons> Aw
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[21:58] <engla> has anyone estimated the size of the first adopter pool for raspi? is it certainly larger than 10,000?
[21:58] <victhor> 10k is already over 9000
[21:59] <engla> I don't understand that.
[21:59] <FireFly> I'm pretty sure it's larger than 10 000, yeah
[22:00] <FireFly> But that is just a guess
[22:00] <hamitron> also assumes loads of people haven't signed up to look, and not buy
[22:01] <FireFly> Yeah, but there's probably also a bunch of people who hasn't signed up on the forum, but still intend to buy it
[22:01] <hamitron> aye
[22:01] <engla> ah so what is 10k if you don't mean 10,000 by that?
[22:01] <FireFly> Hm?
[22:02] <engla> "10k is already over 9000"
[22:02] <FireFly> I'm not sure what victhor meant, other than referencing a meme
[22:02] <engla> ?
[22:02] <engla> ok I don't know the meme
[22:02] <EiNSTeiN_> you don't need 10k people to sell 10k r-pi though
[22:02] <engla> but given that 10 > 9 obviously I thought maybe 10k is a group
[22:02] <engla> st
[22:02] <EiNSTeiN_> I'll probably buy a bunch (3-4) just to start
[22:03] <EiNSTeiN_> and buy more as I use them in projects
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[22:03] <engla> well the initial batch comes with a limit of 1 per person
[22:03] <engla> or at least per sale, we'll see how it's implemented
[22:03] <EiNSTeiN_> yeah that sucks... but I have a lot of friends :)
[22:04] <FireFly> I'm gonna guess the first batch will run out in less than 24 hours
[22:04] <o19> I'm personally fine with one for the start...
[22:04] <EiNSTeiN_> FireFly: challenge accepted
[22:04] <engla> oh well. I guess my chance is < 50% then
[22:04] <engla> I'm only signed up to the rss feed for news
[22:05] <rm> I should code up a service that would count products in the store
[22:05] <rm> and send me an SMS if there's more than one :)
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[22:06] <hamitron> I hope those wanting more than one, don't just get others to order to get around it
[22:06] <o19> once they're running I'll try to limit the memory consumption of my applications to the model A specs and go with those and wireless/bt
[22:06] <hamitron> and leave those wanting 1 to play with, with none
[22:06] <hamitron> :/
[22:06] <FireFly> I'm pretty sure I'll be notified when it's launched.. either through mail, reddit or friends
[22:06] <FireFly> hamitron, I agree.
[22:07] <hamitron> same attitude as those people who fill a trolley in the supermarket with bread, leaving none for others when there is some scare
[22:07] * hamitron growls
[22:14] * SpeedEvil notes he has ~6mo food.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Gotta stock up!
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> I'm trying to avoid buying random hardware as it's chep.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> I can pretty much say I'm not gonna stop eating porkchops.
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> However, I have lots of old computer hardware that's just here because I haven't thrown it out.
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> 486/75 laptops, for example.
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> On a slightly related matter.
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of actual suspend on a Pi?
[22:15] <haltdef> I just couldn't throw away a working computer
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: i have a 'netbook' from 1988
[22:16] <haltdef> older than me
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> 8 bit @ 3.2MHz
[22:16] <haltdef> still faster than an atom
[22:16] <haltdef> :P
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[23:25] <MagicalTux> compiling cross-gcc for armel is always fun for all the family
[23:25] * rm is compiling the Linux kernel on a 500 MHz ARM right now
[23:26] <ReggieUK> sounds like a turkey roasting tumer rm?
[23:30] <mrdragons> rm: Which kernel?
[23:30] <MagicalTux> I decided it'd make more sense to cross compile the kernel before moving it to the raspberry
[23:30] <rm> 3.2.2
[23:31] <MagicalTux> (did enough bad things to it already)
[23:31] <rm> not on a raspbeery (as you can tell from 500 MHz)
[23:31] <rm> it's a D-Link DNS-323
[23:31] <rm> I figured it's simpler to build on the device than to set up a crosscompile env or a VM
[23:32] <mrdragons> Cool, if you can, report back how long it takes. ^_^
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[23:54] <LiENUS> i still say eben took our pre order money and went to mexico
[23:55] <Stskeeps> there's no preorders.
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