#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-01-29

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[0:15] <ukscone> evening all -- i'm on a mission to get thee gold medal in olympic procrastination. doing quite well so far :)
[0:15] <LiENUS> wat
[0:16] <ukscone> finished some stuff but have to start the next thing but can't be bothered
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[0:21] <izua> ukscone: make a list of the stuff you have to do
[0:22] <izua> that way you can procrastinate better
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[1:13] <mrdragons> Well hey dere
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[1:24] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[1:24] <Aquilus_> Aww, what happened to the bot? :p
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[1:28] <sightlight> not released yet
[1:28] <sightlight> L(
[1:28] <sightlight> :(
[1:30] <mrdragons> Aquilus_: Network connection for DaQatz has been really bad or something, so he took the bot offline
[1:30] <Aquilus_> Ah
[1:31] <DaQatz> The bots server is off.
[1:31] <DaQatz> Need to drive down and turn it back on.
[1:32] <mrdragons> Wait, you have a seperate server set up just as an irc bot?
[1:32] <DaQatz> I have a copy of the bot here, but the connection poor.
[1:32] <DaQatz> It does more then that, but yes.
[1:32] <mrdragons> Oh okay lol
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[1:33] <DaQatz> Bot will also be down on monday for a few hours.
[1:33] <DaQatz> So even if I drive over and bring the server up. It will be back down again in less then 24 hours.
[1:34] <mrdragons> No big deal mayne
[1:35] <DaQatz> Yeah will just have a gap in the logs.
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[1:35] <DaQatz> Then again planing on wiping the logs after release.
[1:36] <DaQatz> People in these chans have been "off color" plenty in the past.
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[1:38] <ukscone> off colour is one way to put it baaaaaa
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[1:40] <emusan> I iz back
[1:49] <MagicalTux> http://imgur.com/dJJR7 <- no need for display, it'll dhcp by default and have a ssh server :)
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[1:54] <iMatttt> Hey guys
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[2:10] <mrdragons> DaQatz: I would greatly appreciate log wipes. :P
[2:10] <DaQatz> They will be wiped after release.
[2:14] <IT_Sean> :(
[2:14] <hamitron> why wipe?
[2:14] <hamitron> surely better to archive
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[2:15] <hamitron> historical interest.... how everyone went crazy about the rpi
[2:16] <IT_Sean> hamitron, mrdragons doesn't want his sheepshaggery logged for all eternity
[2:16] <hamitron> :D
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[2:17] <IT_Sean> personally, i feel the logs should be left untouched.
[2:19] <DaQatz> When I say wipe it does not mean delete.
[2:19] <DaQatz> They will simply not be accessible by anyone though the bot is all.
[2:19] <IT_Sean> ah, okay.
[2:20] <DaQatz> Had the log bot working within a few days of both this channel and dev channels creation.
[2:20] <DaQatz> So
[2:20] <DaQatz> Goes back far enough
[2:20] <hamitron> through the bot?
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[2:21] <hamitron> I'd split the logs up, then zip 'em
[2:21] <hamitron> ;)
[2:21] <hamitron> then host for all to see
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[2:24] <IT_Sean> brb
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[2:29] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
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[2:58] <mrdragons> IT_Sean: I never touched that sheep. >_>
[2:59] <mrdragons> Oh wait he left
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[3:01] <emusan> mrdragons: o/
[3:01] <emusan> and wots this about a sheep???
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[3:02] <DaQatz> They are "cuddly"
[3:02] <DaQatz> mrdragons really "likes" to "cuddle" them.
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[3:08] <DaQatz> Morn <<+1
[3:08] <DaQatz> Or is it >>+1?
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> it's just '!'
[3:08] <MagicalTux> anyone knows the exact format kernel.img should be in? I tried copying from arch/arm/boot/Image but it didn't work quite right
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> you need to run another command
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a script to 'compress' it
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> you're botting a kernel on an actual pi right?
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> *booting
[3:09] <Tachyon`> mrdragons is jeff minter and I claim my 5 arbitrary units of currency
[3:09] <MagicalTux> [11:09:07] <ShiftPlusOne> you're botting a kernel on an actual pi right? <- yes
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, just a second, I'll find the script you're after
[3:10] <DaQatz> You bought a beta?
[3:10] <MagicalTux> I'm trying to upgrade the kernel from the provided 3.1.4 to the one on github, got a toolchain for compiling, got my 3.1.9 compiled, got my image right, added the modules to the root image and to the fat32
[3:10] <DaQatz> Guess you made plenty off mtgox.
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> go into tools and run python imagetool-uncompressed.py
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> then you'll get tools/kernel.img
[3:11] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: in which tools dir?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the kernel source dir
[3:11] <MagicalTux> DaQatz: actually, we're thinking of some use for raspberry pi
[3:12] <DaQatz> Not mining I hope.
[3:12] <SpeedEvil> Mining on Pis would be suboptimal.
[3:12] <SpeedEvil> (as in comedic)
[3:12] <DaQatz> Yeah
[3:12] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/tools <- there ?
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[3:12] <DaQatz> GPU is closed after all.
[3:13] <DaQatz> Pi may be good for secure wallets though.
[3:13] <hamitron> that is a good idea
[3:13] <hamitron> :)
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> I want a Pi-sp.
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> Mail a box with a pi and a 2.5" drive to an ISP.
[3:14] <hamitron> sp?
[3:14] <Tobias|> Is that the model that folds open and has the backlight? D:
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> Have them mail it back when full.
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> MagicalTux, hang on, I'll find instructions which don't suck
[3:14] <Tobias|> SpeedEvil, just mail the drive ._.
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes I just need a lot of linux distributions.
[3:15] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: found it as part of http://www.raspberrypi.org/kernel.zip
[3:15] <hamitron> imo, something like the pi would be great alternative to vps
[3:15] <hamitron> :)
[3:15] <MagicalTux> seems that the github kernel copy is missing some stuff
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> MagicalTux, ah thanks
[3:16] <Tobias|> hamitron, seamicro's servers should be pretty reasonable for that purpose :p
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Well...
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> MagicalTux, for future reference http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/01/22/linux-kernel-3-1-9-for-raspberry-pi-released/
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Modern CPUs may actually be cheaper, and lower power
[3:16] <Tobias|> They are, SpeedEvil
[3:16] <Tobias|> Unquestionably
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> (per VP)
[3:16] <hamitron> well, "like the pi"
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[3:17] <hamitron> but I reckon seperate hardware could be a plus
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: To a degree, yes.
[3:17] <Tobias|> The main benefit is that you could, say, turn off individual parts of the hardware if you use loads of ARM chips
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> HA might be interesting
[3:17] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: looks like that rather than a matter of compression it's a matter of prepending the kernel with some stuff
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you could just copy first32k.bin as kernel.img and then do 'cat Image >> first32k.bin"
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> cat Image >> kernel.img *
[3:18] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: seems to be the case, I just modified the .py script to only generate the first32k.bin file
[3:18] <Tobias|> Wonder if we'll start seeing seedbox providers offering dedicated raspberry pis?
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> MagicalTux, if you don't mind me asking, how'd you manage to get a raspberry pi?
[3:19] <izua> ???1000 on ebay?
[3:19] <MagicalTux> ShiftPlusOne: ebay, board #6
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah nice
[3:19] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[3:19] <Tobias|> nice nice :3
[3:19] <izua> nice :D
[3:19] <mrdragons> Seriously? Awesome
[3:20] <izua> expect 2 hours of "can you do this"
[3:20] <mrdragons> Can you play crysis on it?
[3:20] <hamitron> :D
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[3:20] * hamitron crosses off "want" list if not
[3:21] <izua> speaking of which, i'd like to queue "can you check how much the frequency fluctuates on the GPIO, for a process that simply toggles them in a loop, with a nice of -20"
[3:21] <izua> :D
[3:21] <MagicalTux> Linux debian-pubsd-grayg 3.1.9+ #1 Sun Jan 29 10:45:22 JST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[3:21] <izua> d'aww
[3:21] <MagicalTux> looks like the first32k.bin did the trick
[3:21] <Tobias|> Hmm
[3:21] <Tobias|> If you put an IRC client on it, you can probably have the first r-pi in the r-pi channel
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> izua: The right way to do that is to do it in a kernel driver
[3:22] <izua> mh, i know
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> izua: perhaps even with a realtime kernel
[3:22] <izua> but i'm curious to see how tolerable it is in usermode
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> The answer is uninteresting really.
[3:22] <izua> emc^2 does it without a real time kernel
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> It's generally the same as any other linux box.
[3:23] <SpeedEvil> you get a few hundred microsecond dropouts if you're the only process
[3:23] <mrdragons> So have you been contributing to the wiki at all? Formed any elite societies with the few dozen of other pi owners in existence?
[3:24] <Tobias|> .. how does it taste?
[3:24] <MagicalTux> mrdragons: been busy getting it to work, for now
[3:24] <izua> Tobias|: lol
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[3:25] <izua> what color is the magic smoke inside the soc
[3:26] <MagicalTux> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/542440/ <- dmesg
[3:26] <MagicalTux> (the mmc is having troubles when there's a bit of I/O, network drive is doing much better)
[3:26] <mrdragons> Hmm, says only 128mb of memory?
[3:26] <DaQatz> Odd
[3:27] <DaQatz> those betas have 256
[3:27] <DaQatz> How much is the gpu claiming?
[3:28] <Tachyon`> hrm, I thought the GPU had its own RAM? for framebuffer at least... should it claim any if no 3D is being used?
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> It shares.
[3:29] <Tachyon`> then why does it have dedicated ram for the framebuffer if it needs ram from the system, it doesn't make sense, heh
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[3:37] <DaQatz> And let them eat pi.
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[5:00] <MagicalTux> as expected, the arm version of usb-acm is not stable when used as a stream
[5:03] <mrdragons> Hmm
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[6:52] <Henchman21> lul native compiling
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[7:28] <MagicalTux> found out why my usb stuff was not working, the raspberry pi is most likely not providing enough power over usb
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[8:15] <hotwings> [22:27:35] <MagicalTux> found out why my usb stuff was not working, the raspberry pi is most likely not providing enough power over usb <-- seems like i remember reading (in the faq) that usb devices would need an external power supply
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[8:32] <MystX> I imagine it will depend on the usb device in question
[8:32] <MystX> Im not sure on the USB controller's max output though
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[8:42] <missPapaya> wut... is the rpi site down?
[8:43] <MystX> Just having the usual issues i think
[8:44] <MystX> Yeah i just got it to load
[8:44] <missPapaya> oh there it goes
[8:44] <missPapaya> the freaking thing needs to be out like 2 months ago
[8:45] <MystX> Well, its not.
[8:47] <missPapaya> well I'm going to go tear spacetime
[8:47] <MystX> mmhm
[8:54] <missPapaya> also, do you know if there will be a driver to access the SPI like a TTY?
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[9:00] <MystX> hmm, not sure tbh
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[9:49] <MagicalTux> [16:54:32] <missPapaya> also, do you know if there will be a driver to access the SPI like a TTY? <- a driver ?
[9:49] <MagicalTux> just use the serial console for that
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[10:05] <MagicalTux> for the raspberry pi power over usb, it depends on the power supply used
[10:06] <MagicalTux> I'd guess USB and GPIO have the same restriction, see http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#Power_pins
[10:07] <MagicalTux> The easiest is to get a powered USB hub in between
[10:08] <MystX> so it will be ~ 300mA for the model B
[10:09] <MystX> which would be fine for running KBs/Mice
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[10:09] <MagicalTux> yep, but not for the kind of stuff I'm using it seems (barcode reader, for example, which restarts as soon as I try to switch on its reading laser light)
[10:11] <MagicalTux> I think it's better to use a powered usb hub rather than just increasing the input power of the raspberry on the long term
[10:12] <haltdef> the powered hub could power the raspi itself too, still only need one wall wart
[10:15] <MagicalTux> haltdef: there are talks about this on the raspberry wiki, some hubs will not power ports which do not have a device connected to it, and since the rpi's usb (in) port has no data, it may not be detected
[10:15] <haltdef> hadn't considered that
[10:15] <haltdef> do TI's dev boards not do the same?
[10:16] <MagicalTux> no idea
[10:16] <MagicalTux> I would have loved to be able to use linux usb gadget on the RPI however
[10:16] <MagicalTux> I guess it's still possible with some soldering involved
[10:16] <friggle> I wouldn't bet on it
[10:17] <MagicalTux> removing the existing usb hub, and connecting directly the host usb data pins to the usb port may work
[10:18] <MagicalTux> may be easier than other stuff suggested on the wiki (such as PoE)
[10:18] <friggle> I guess that could work
[10:20] <haltdef> anyone happen to have any experience with yuasa 12v batteries? eying up a replacement for the UPS
[10:20] <haltdef> APC ones a ripoff or just better? :P
[10:21] <tntexplosivesltd> evening all, enything good happen?
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[11:17] <rm> http://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/163357276533563392
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[11:17] <rm> "someone in the community"?...
[11:18] <rm> so no official X accelerated driver on launch? :o
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[12:04] <MartijnVdS> rm: I've seen some logs from the beta board
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> rm: it was using the fbdev x-server
[12:05] <rm> yes I have seen that too
[12:06] <rm> problem is, even scrolling in a web browser can't work smoothly with fbdev
[12:09] <xlq> Esp. with such a slow CPU.
[12:09] <xlq> (The copying is done on the CPU with fbdev, isn't it?)
[12:09] <rm> yeah
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[12:38] <MagicalTux> rm: just look at the implementation and write a xorg driver
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[12:39] <xlq> "just" :D
[12:41] <rm> yeah I just wrote a couple today before breakfast
[12:42] <rm> MagicalTux, so you are one of the beta buyers?
[12:42] <MagicalTux> rm: yep
[12:42] <rm> grats
[12:42] <MagicalTux> thanks
[12:43] <MagicalTux> unfortunately for what we are trying to do, X is irrelevant, so I won't be helping on this (for now)
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[12:51] <MagicalTux> bad news is I can't unplug the USB hub in the raspberry pi because it'd also get rid of the networking (network adapter appears as a usb device)
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[14:52] <IT_Sean> Some people in here might find this of interest:
[14:52] <IT_Sean> http://asselinpaul.posterous.com/getting-those-lipos-charged
[14:52] <IT_Sean> http://asselinpaul.posterous.com/getting-those-lipos-charged-part-2-with-the-m
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[14:53] <MartijnVdS> PCB board :( He probably also uses a PIN number to get money from ATM machines
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> </language nazi>
[14:54] <rm> hehe
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[15:07] <IT_Sean> Stop being a language german
[15:07] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> IT_Sean: not al germans are/were Nazis
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> Yes, i know.
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[15:51] <Hopsy> woooww, Its nearly februari
[15:51] <Hopsy> 3 days left
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[15:56] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: can I rent 185.000 dollars?
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[16:08] <IT_Sean> Hopsy, no.
[16:08] <Hopsy> why :(
[16:09] <IT_Sean> DO i really need to answer that?
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[16:13] <Tachyon> grawr
[16:14] <Tachyon> is it nearly available to buy yet?
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[16:29] <Aquilus_> No.
[16:32] <Thorn_> is it out yet?
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[19:33] <missPapaya> MagicalTux: I meant like will the r-pi have a /dev/ttySPI0 or something?
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[19:52] <victhor> are you talking about SPI bus?
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't think that will show up as a device
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[19:56] <victhor> like any other bus, you need drivers to access devices in that bus
[19:56] <missPapaya> I guess I'll have to write a driver then
[19:57] <missPapaya> I just wanted to push data to and pull data from the bus in raw form
[19:57] <victhor> so a e.g. SPI temperature sensor will show up as a lm-sensors accessible device, not accessible though "/dev/ttySPI*" (which doesn't exist btw)
[19:57] <victhor> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/spi/spidev
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall there is a common API for
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that
[19:57] <victhor> oh there's that /sys/ stuff. I forgot :P
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[20:17] <Mushroom> Hello all :P
[20:17] <Mushroom> I hope this is working, never used IRC
[20:18] <haltdef> I don't think it is
[20:18] <Mushroom> This confuses me :P
[20:19] <rm> hi
[20:20] <Mushroom> Hey :P
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[20:25] <JudasLucifer> Can anyone quickly give me a noob guide to setting up this channel in empathy?
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[20:26] <haltdef> irc.freenode.net #raspberrypi
[20:27] <haltdef> default everything else aside from personal details should get you here
[20:27] <JudasLucifer> Okay, I will give it a try, thanks
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[20:31] <JudasLucifer> Does it matter which port I use, and should SSL be on or off?
[20:32] <haltdef> 6667 off or 6697 on
[20:33] <victhor> empathy is a terrible IRC client imo.
[20:33] <victhor> pidgin is a lot better
[20:33] <JudasLucifer> Yeah, I think I'm just going to get something else :P
[20:33] <Faperdaper> ChatZilla is best
[20:34] <JudasLucifer> Well I've got a pidgin install so I'll use that for now, thanks :P
[20:34] <DaQatz> irssi
[20:34] <haltdef> always one that recommends irssi to the newbie isn't there
[20:34] <JudasLucifer> All the settings for IRC looked right, I just think it was Empathy's fault (empaythy just doesn't really like me at all)
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[20:44] <tntexplosivesltd> +1 for irssi
[20:44] <rm> there's XChat
[20:44] <JudasLucifer> I would be using it, If I could find the debian, ubuntu version *sigh* such noobness
[20:44] <rm> why would anyone need anything else for IRC, no idea
[20:45] <mrdragons> Another +1 for irssi, great cli client.
[20:45] <rm> let's hope in a month we'll have people IRCing from their Raspberry Pi's
[20:46] <JudasLucifer> I'd assume you ar eusing webchat.freenode.net then rm?
[20:46] <JudasLucifer> Yeah, hopefully :P
[20:46] <JudasLucifer> my typing is appauling,
[20:46] <JudasLucifer> and spelling.
[20:46] <rm> JudasLucifer, I use XChat which I mentioned
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[20:47] <JudasLucifer> Cheers, just did an apt-get of xchat and it said:The following NEW packages will be installed libsexy2 xchat xchat-common
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> yay
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> xchat is okay
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[20:49] <MushroomLord> Most excellent, got it working with xchat. Annoying hacing to have multiple clients, but its better than webchat :)
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[20:54] <MushroomLord> Cant wait for release, when do we reckon it will be? Around Febuary 7th I guess :P
[20:54] <smw> Is the limit on the video codecs RP can run a software or hardware issue? With non-standard drivers, could others be decoded with the gpu?
[20:54] <haltdef> we don't know yet
[20:55] <rm> someone mentioned on the forums that the Broadcom VideoCore is flexible and programmable
[20:55] <MushroomLord> Well, from my experience with android (linux) you can play anything
[20:55] <rm> so new codecs can be added
[20:55] <haltdef> who has to add them?
[20:55] <MushroomLord> via software, but its much less power consuming by hardware, which has a more limited codec support
[20:55] <rm> but for that people will have to rely on Broadcom, as it's closed-source to the maximum
[20:56] <MushroomLord> we can always bribe broadcom...
[20:56] <haltdef> licensing fees will probably hold that back
[20:56] <rm> MushroomLord, point is playing in hardware, because on RPi you won't play much in software, as the CPU is simple and plain low-MHz
[20:56] <smw> MushroomLord, on something as slow as the RP, you can't play 720p without help from the gpu.
[20:56] <MushroomLord> yeah, I forgot to mention that, hardware decoding is much smoother :P
[20:57] <smw> MushroomLord, at least... not in real time
[20:58] <MushroomLord> Its okay, I have a Pentium 4...and some bugdet agp card. I can't play 1080 (maybe its not using hardware decoding?) but if the RPi can, I'm excited :P
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> You are likely to be only to play very specific codecs.
[20:59] <smw> MushroomLord, yeah, not use hardware decoding
[20:59] <smw> SpeedEvil, yes, but maybe we can get the "specific codec" list to include the 3? major ones
[21:00] <smw> it is already a third of the way there
[21:00] <smw> just needs xvid and divx :-)
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Specific codec does not mean 'h.264'
[21:00] <smw> I am sure it supports mp2 already (for dvd)
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> It means one profile only of that codec.
[21:00] <smw> SpeedEvil, I know :-\
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> K
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[21:00] * piofcube puts all of his computers into a catapult and sends them up into space.
[21:01] <piofcube> Anyone got any chill pills? :-|
[21:02] <MystX> Wat
[21:02] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[21:02] <MystX> Yes.
[21:02] <piofcube> Having a few problems here lol... right now vsftpd is being a pain
[21:02] <MystX> vsftpd is always a pain
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[21:05] <MystX> Is it out yet though?
[21:05] <piofcube> I need to make an anon upload ftp. I've created the non-priv user and a directory that's writable... If I set the anon dir it throws up 500 refuse to run with anon_root, if I don't do that then it throws a 553... O_o
[21:06] <piofcube> I need all uploads to chmod so they disappear from anon users.
[21:07] <MystX> Yeah
[21:07] <MystX> Oh, you can make it not show some files?
[21:07] <MystX> Handy..
[21:07] <smw> SpeedEvil, just looked it up. The bottom line seems to be that the VideoCore can do anything
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> (to the limits of its CPU)
[21:08] <smw> SpeedEvil, but getting dev tools requires signing an NDA and being important
[21:08] <MystX> I hate being important
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> smw: Well - given that the project was started by a head guy at Broadcom.
[21:08] <victhor> correction: ordering 1*10^100000000000000 units
[21:08] <smw> MystX, good news, you aren't
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> They can cheat
[21:08] <haltdef> I'm pretty sure the cpu will be fine with xvid at the poor resolutions you see floating around
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps.
[21:08] <tntexplosivesltd> ^^^^ that
[21:08] <smw> SpeedEvil, they are "important"
[21:09] <smw> SpeedEvil, they have developer tools ;-)
[21:09] <victhor> iirc they would provide a interface to the video decoder.
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> smw: I mean important in a different sense.
[21:09] <haltdef> xscale (older than arm11) at a lower clock speed on an old phone of mine worked well
[21:09] <rm> R Pi is pretty important to Broadcom in all senses
[21:09] <victhor> the "ilplayer" demo application uses openmax I think. Gstreamer uses that too
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> smw: Upton is in a position where it may be plausible that he could get the DSP code policy changed
[21:09] <MystX> smw: YUSS
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> smw: Vs the usual 'important' = Bought 50K CPUs and paid us $10K for dev tools.
[21:10] <smw> SpeedEvil, ah. That would be awesome
[21:10] <rm> 'good publicity' thing, making low-cost technology for education etc etc
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[21:10] <SpeedEvil> Being at board level at Broadcom changes things vs ordinary guy in the street - howevermany they order.
[21:10] <smw> SpeedEvil, I don't even understand why they don't give out the dev tools :-\
[21:10] <smw> SpeedEvil, yes
[21:11] <victhor> maybe they'll provide them one time
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> smw: Because there isn't a buisness case for it.
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> smw: Or a percieved one.
[21:11] <smw> SpeedEvil, that makes no sense
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> smw: The issue is that - OK - you give out dev tools. Now, you have to suport random persons making silly requests.
[21:12] <smw> SpeedEvil, you don't NEED to provide support
[21:12] <smw> SpeedEvil, anyways, the idea that they would release this is making me feel better :-)
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[21:16] <victhor> the advantage is that they designed the GPU instead of licensing from a third party
[21:16] <victhor> so they can provide the documentation without fear of litigation (except by perhaps patent trolls)
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[21:19] <SpeedEvil> Are you sure they diddn't licence the GPU?
[21:19] <victhor> iirc the videocore is a broadcom design
[21:20] <Tachyon`> they didn't design their own GPU
[21:20] <Tachyon`> that would be non-trivial, heh
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[21:21] <rm> Broadcom do seem like someone who can get non-trivial things done pretty well
[21:21] <rm> do you have information that it's licensed? from who?
[21:23] <haltdef> wikipedia says now owned by broadcom
[21:23] <victhor> because the scarce information (and what the broadcom employees involved in the pi) in the broadcom site implies that the videocore is a design owned by broadcom
[21:23] <victhor> not licensed
[21:23] <Tachyon`> I do not but it is, heh, it simply is not possible for a company that size to design from scratch and have manufactured their own GPU in the time they've had and for the money they're charging
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[21:23] <haltdef> you realize broadcom are fucking huge, right?
[21:23] <haltdef> I have at least 4 devices with broadcom chippery
[21:24] <victhor> broadcom makes devices of all sorts
[21:24] <Tachyon`> aye
[21:24] <skroot> I can't help but imagine this has been asked, but I didn't find it in a few quick searches. If I have a dedicated HTPC in my home, I can put a Pi at each TV in my house and stream media to that TV, surf the web, etc, right?
[21:24] <Tachyon`> so they're using an off the shelf part, which is my point, heh
[21:24] <Tachyon`> they did not create their own GPU
[21:24] <rm> company of "what size"?
[21:24] <Tachyon`> skroot, yes
[21:25] <haltdef> they bought it and built upon it by the look of it
[21:25] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's a system on a chip
[21:25] <Tachyon`> [20:15] <victhor> the advantage is that they designed the GPU instead of licensing from a third party
[21:25] <Tachyon`> and that is still false
[21:25] <victhor> uh nope
[21:25] <Tachyon`> despite all the arguing
[21:25] <victhor> lol if you think so...
[21:26] <victhor> wiki says they actually bought the company that developed the design.
[21:26] <victhor> so they own the design anyway
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[21:26] <Tachyon`> you're suggesting the foundation actually created the system on a chip? since that's where the GPU is...
[21:26] <skroot> Tachyon`, how is this usually done, most efficiently? Is it possible to have Pi use it's own independent desktop session off of the HTPC?
[21:26] <victhor> uh
[21:26] <victhor> I meant broadcom designed it.
[21:26] <Tachyon`> oh
[21:26] <victhor> not rasperry pi.
[21:26] <Tachyon`> oops?
[21:26] <rm> LOL
[21:27] <Tachyon`> sorry -.-
[21:27] <victhor> np :P
[21:27] <rm> <victhor> iirc the videocore is a broadcom design
[21:27] <rm> <Tachyon`> they didn't design their own GPU
[21:27] <rm> okay :)
[21:27] * rm imagines Liz desigining a GPU
[21:28] <MystX> With no shirt on
[21:28] <MystX> What?
[21:28] <MystX> >_>
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[21:28] <Tachyon`> havign documentation is no bad thing anyway
[21:28] <skroot> Does Pi come with a GUI already?
[21:28] <Tachyon`> that's been a major pita with the pandora
[21:29] <Tachyon`> no, but when you put your chosen os onto the SD card that'll probably have X
[21:29] <skroot> ah ok
[21:29] <mrdragons> Pfft, X is so overrated. :P
[21:29] <Tachyon`> yeah, well, I generally use the console on my own boxes, but that's not for everyone
[21:29] <Tachyon`> well, except the pandora as that's really designed with X in mind
[21:30] <skroot> well, maybe so, but im determining if they will work for streaming from my one HTPC to multiple TV's in my house
[21:30] <skroot> my server is cli only
[21:30] <Tachyon`> does your HTPC share via samba?
[21:30] <skroot> but i cant expect the rest of my household to use it that way
[21:30] <skroot> Tachyon`, yes
[21:30] <Tachyon`> then you're fine, you can just mount the drives and use XBMC or w/e
[21:30] <Tachyon`> XBMC has already been demostrated working
[21:30] <Tachyon`> there's a video on the site
[21:30] <skroot> yea, i saw
[21:30] <skroot> but i dont like it
[21:30] <mrdragons> X on a server would be sad
[21:30] <skroot> i havent found any media center software i like
[21:30] * Tachyon` blink
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[21:31] <Tachyon`> then roll your own
[21:31] <Tachyon`> or use VLC with an android device for a remote like I do
[21:31] <Tachyon`> lol
[21:31] <skroot> i just have a decent folder structure and i just look for what i want and play it
[21:31] <skroot> my HTPC doubles as my ZoneMinder server too
[21:31] <mrdragons> Or, to prevent fragmentation, you could try joining a project and contributing to it
[21:31] <Tachyon`> as do I, the vlc remote for android allows you to select files and navitage etc.
[21:31] <tntexplosivesltd> gor some reason VLC sucks woth 1080p videos for me
[21:32] <Tachyon`> navigate
[21:32] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> it lags like crazy
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[21:32] <Tachyon`> it might not be using accelerated video
[21:32] <Tachyon`> is it the latest version for your OS?
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> every other media player works fine
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> it was a while ago, I gave up on it
[21:32] <Tachyon`> earlier versions of VLC didn't have acceleration
[21:32] <Tachyon`> you might try the latest one
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> media player classic is all I use now XD
[21:32] <Tachyon`> I noticed a vast improvement in the last year or two
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[21:33] <mrdragons> Try the new version, they almost definitely fixed it since then
[21:33] <WASDx> VLC does not use it by default either
[21:33] <Tachyon`> media player classic refuses to display subs on much of my content
[21:33] <WASDx> need to enable it
[21:33] <Tachyon`> and a lot of my content is anime with dual audio and subs
[21:33] <Tachyon`> and not being illiterate, I prefer the japanese audio with subtitles, lol
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[21:36] <MushroomLord> Trying to get hardware video decoding working in a nightmare on my pc -,-
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[22:19] <vgrade> some history, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore
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[22:24] <rm> > It isn't desirable or practical to port Windows onto a VideoCore chip
[22:25] <rm> well, that's a very insightful bit of info right there
[22:25] <rm> who would've thought
[22:25] <zgreg> you can use qemu
[22:25] <zgreg> won't run in a shader, though
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[22:25] <mrdragons> Implying it's practical or desirable to have windows on anything. :P
[22:26] <haltdef> silly comment
[22:26] <zgreg> it's often quite practical
[22:27] <Aquilus_> mrdragons: Implying that it isn't.
[22:27] <mrdragons> Implying that I'm not kidding
[22:28] <Aquilus_> Implying that implications imply seriousness.
[22:28] <zgreg> this isn't 4chan, guys
[22:29] <mrdragons> You're right, I haven't seen any gore yet
[22:29] <mrdragons> Let's keep it that way
[22:29] <Aquilus_> That can be arranged.
[22:32] <tntexplosivesltd> > no gore
[22:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ? gore time
[22:32] <tntexplosivesltd> * >
[22:32] <tntexplosivesltd> oooooh fail =(
[22:33] <tntexplosivesltd> http://r721.livejournal.com/10526.html
[22:33] <tntexplosivesltd> there, gore
[22:33] <tntexplosivesltd> have fun
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[22:36] <MystX> ???_???
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> ahhoy
[22:42] <LiENUS> noy?
[22:46] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:46] <LiENUS> soy?
[22:47] <LiENUS> boy!
[22:47] <IT_Sean> oi.
[22:47] <LiENUS> joy
[22:47] <LiENUS> coy
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[22:48] * IT_Sean slaps LiENUS
[22:48] <LiENUS> toy!?
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[22:49] <tntexplosivesltd> ploy
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[22:50] <IT_Sean> *oy
[22:50] <IT_Sean> trump'd
[22:51] <LiENUS> you used that one already
[22:51] <LiENUS> you lose
[22:51] <IT_Sean> ah, but, you see, i put a wildcard in it.
[22:52] <LiENUS> ...
[22:52] <LiENUS> theres no 2 in that
[22:52] <LiENUS> deuces wild not *
[22:52] <LiENUS> 2oy
[22:52] <LiENUS> now i win
[22:53] <MystX> *o[i|y|ie]
[22:53] <MystX> Boom
[22:53] <merlin1991> MystX: and what would that be?
[22:53] * IT_Sean slaps LiENUS again
[22:53] <merlin1991> .o[i|y|ie] would be the proper regex ;)
[22:53] <MystX> I dont care
[22:55] <WASDx> argh i want my RPi :(
[22:55] <mrdragons> I don't believe you
[22:55] <LiENUS> WASDx, you didnt get your preorder yet?
[22:55] <IT_Sean> WASDx... you... you didn't order it?
[22:55] <WASDx> i smell trolling
[22:55] <piofcube> be sold out by now
[22:56] <mrdragons> Too bad
[22:56] <IT_Sean> yeah man, you've missed it.
[22:56] <IT_Sean> bumer
[22:56] <LiENUS> you shoulda preordered
[22:56] <LiENUS> they gave everyone who preordered a bonus
[22:56] <LiENUS> the "model C"
[22:57] <WASDx> i see
[22:57] <merlin1991> afaik model c has an inbuilt beamer
[22:57] <WASDx> cool
[22:57] <merlin1991> s/beamer/projector/
[22:57] <mrdragons> Model C? All I got was a sticker. :\
[22:57] * SpeedEvil stabs unamusing trolls.
[22:57] <LiENUS> SpeedEvil, thank someone needs to stab mrdragons
[22:57] <IT_Sean> dammt... we need some new noobs to troll
[22:58] <mrdragons> Hey, I'm not that bad. >_>
[22:58] <LiENUS> mrdragons, but oyu're an unamusing troll
[22:58] <IT_Sean> If the raspi comes out while i am on the road, and i miss the oppurtunity ot order, i shall be... ... ... quite cross.
[22:58] <mrdragons> Eh
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: why can't you order if you're on the road?
[22:58] <LiENUS> im pretty sure eben took our preorder money and ran away to mexico
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[22:59] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil... hard to order & drive @ the same time.
[22:59] * SpeedEvil starts a service.
[22:59] <tntexplosivesltd> so pull over...?
[22:59] <IT_Sean> yes, but... how will i be NOTIFIED!?
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Just PM me your credit card details, and address, and I'll order for you.
[22:59] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: you're not thinking hard enough
[22:59] <tntexplosivesltd> use 3G on your phone
[22:59] <IT_Sean> i.e. if i get to my hotel, and it's already sold out!!!!!! ::doesn't want to tohink about it::
[22:59] <IT_Sean> ahhh
[22:59] <IT_Sean> right
[23:00] <IT_Sean> tha'd work, i expect :p
[23:00] <merlin1991> hm time to start a 'legit' pi preorderinge scheme
[23:00] <mrdragons> That could end... Badly
[23:00] <tntexplosivesltd> there'll be an announcement several days beforehand, surely?
[23:00] <IT_Sean> i wouldn't count on that
[23:00] <LiENUS> tntexplosivesltd, 30 seconds before was what they said
[23:00] <LiENUS> they expect them to sell out within 15
[23:00] <LiENUS> seconds
[23:00] * victhor (~victhor@187.59.122.31) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[23:01] <LiENUS> personally i say 5 seconds
[23:01] <merlin1991> websrv is going down after 2 sec anyway
[23:01] <LiENUS> they beefed up the webserver recently iirc
[23:01] <LiENUS> welp
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> I hope they start the sale bright and early in the (UK) morning.
[23:01] <LiENUS> off to pick up a daughter
[23:02] <tntexplosivesltd> LiENUS: "a" daughter. One of them. Not sure which XD
[23:02] <Tachyon`> I hope I don't miss them becoming available, heh
[23:02] <LiENUS> i dgaf
[23:02] <LiENUS> i setup my botnet with stolen credit cards already
[23:02] <LiENUS> i'll prolly get all 10k
[23:03] <LiENUS> it'll auto detect them becoming available and start buying
[23:03] * Tachyon` rolls an eye
[23:03] <LiENUS> handy dandy change of address forms entered into the usps by a buddy of mine means they'll all redirect to my drop point where the owners are out of town for a month
[23:03] <LiENUS> then i just housesit for them without them knowing and pickup all 10k
[23:04] <Tachyon`> you seem to know a disconcerting amount about credit card fraud
[23:04] <LiENUS> lol its all made up
[23:04] <LiENUS> but iam very lucky
[23:04] <LiENUS> i was one of the few to end up with a dreamcast bba
[23:04] <Tachyon`> broadband adapter?
[23:04] <LiENUS> yep
[23:04] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:05] <Tachyon`> I never had a dreamcast, just a few VMUs I thought would be hackable
[23:05] <Tachyon`> not that I got anywhere with them
[23:05] <LiENUS> you know...
[23:05] <LiENUS> the device that was 50$
[23:05] <LiENUS> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Sega-Dreamcast-Broadband-Adapter-HIT-0401-/230620254444?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item35b209d0ec
[23:05] <LiENUS> ...
[23:05] <Tachyon`> that's an interesting price
[23:06] <LiENUS> my investment has appreciated a little
[23:06] <LiENUS> not my auction btw
[23:06] <koaschten> ok, a mind game, I am connected via a cable modem to the internet, via a dvb-c usb stick i can monitor the bandwidth on the downstream channels. what would be the logical answer to the fact that since about two weeks the maximum recorded downstream rates are not 50Mbit but 40Mbit
[23:06] <IT_Sean> arsing hell!?
[23:06] <IT_Sean> $250???
[23:06] <LiENUS> IT_Sean, ikr
[23:06] <LiENUS> cheaper one is like 190
[23:06] <LiENUS> i paid 50$ for mine
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> koaschten: your CSP has cheaped-out.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> koaschten: And dropped the bitrate
[23:07] <LiENUS> welp ttfn
[23:07] <LiENUS> im oot
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[23:08] <koaschten> well thats the only not plausible answer SpeedEvil, because i am on a 4 channel 100mbit contract ;)
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> koaschten: Misconfiguration at their end.
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> koaschten: What do actual bandwidth tests tell you?
[23:09] <koaschten> thats what i am thinking too
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[23:09] <koaschten> but how do you tell your isp they fucked up
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> You raise a ticket.
[23:09] <koaschten> by providing data you as a normal user shouldn't have access to in the first hand, like "cmts average load"
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> That's entirely unimportant.
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Is your service meeting the contracted level.
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> If it's not, then complain. If it is, then don't complain.
[23:11] <koaschten> well it was more a general observation :)
[23:11] <koaschten> SpeedEvil -> http://www.koaschten.de/kdg/stackedcap-split.html
[23:19] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: poof)
[23:20] <MystX> Wholey shit they use cacti
[23:21] <MystX> Or the same graphing lib. I forget what it's called
[23:21] <Dagger2> rrdtool
[23:21] <Dagger2> it says it on the right of each graph
[23:21] <MystX> Yeah that
[23:21] <MystX> >_>
[23:21] <tntexplosivesltd> needs more svg
[23:21] <tntexplosivesltd> so we can zoom
[23:21] <koaschten> MystX it's MY graph, i didn't hack the cmts ;)
[23:22] <koaschten> I frankenstein'd some dvbsnoop and rrdtool
[23:22] <koaschten> back when their service was really crappy and i got ~2mbit on a 32mbit contract
[23:22] <MystX> Aww. Real men steal stuff from their ISPs
[23:22] <koaschten> i am a sissy :(
[23:23] <koaschten> but a tough one!
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[23:23] <MystX> Its alright, my old ISP offered free delivery from pizzahut. they gave you a code on their site, in the 'my account section thing
[23:23] <MystX> But you didnt actually have to be signed in to get to the free delivery page
[23:24] <MystX> So if you knew they URL -> free pizza delivery
[23:24] <MystX> the URL*
[23:24] <koaschten> THAT is actually awesome
[23:25] <MystX> And idiotic
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[23:25] <MystX> Needless to say, all my mates had free delivery while they had that thing going
[23:26] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:26] <IT_Sean> that's pretty awesome
[23:26] <MystX> Slingshot is the most useless company ive ever delt with though
[23:29] <MystX> Haha, they changed my IP without question
[23:30] <koaschten> what's so strange about that?
[23:30] <MystX> After i explained to them 5 times that no, i already have a dynamic IP. No, I dont have a static one
[23:30] * smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[23:30] <MystX> koaschten: Usually people want to change IPs to avoid bans?
[23:30] * zabomber (~zabomber@203-219-247-88.static.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:32] <koaschten> so what? i just change the mac on my router's wan interface, reconnect and have a new ip, why do YOU call your isp? ^^
[23:32] <MystX> Because I didnt think about that
[23:32] <MystX> >_>
[23:33] <slaeshjag> Why would you want to go around a ban?
[23:33] <slaeshjag> They are usually for a reason
[23:33] <MystX> .. Is that a trick question?
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[23:33] <MystX> I dont take bans sitting down
[23:34] <MystX> Well this particular one wasn't exactly fair
[23:34] <slaeshjag> I'm the kind of guy who bans people, so it would be interesting to know what goes on in the head of people that keeps coming back :)
[23:34] <koaschten> there are people that come back to fuck you up more
[23:34] <MystX> To be fair, Omegle doesnt actually have a terms of service..
[23:34] <koaschten> and there are people who feel banned for a wrong reason and want to explain
[23:35] <MystX> So why they feel they can ban people for using it in a particular way, im not sure
[23:35] <IT_Sean> what did you get banned ofr?
[23:35] <IT_Sean> *for
[23:35] <MystX> Well I actually git banned right after leaving some feedback in their feedback form =P
[23:36] <MystX> But i imagine they looked back at my history
[23:36] <piofcube> Maybe you were'nt critical enough?
[23:36] <MystX> I was getting pissed off because my bot kept meeting other bots
[23:36] <MystX> But my bot's awesome
[23:36] <piofcube> Ah.. bot meets bot, bot dumps bot.. same ole story
[23:37] <MagicalTux> MystX: by banning your bot, they actually ensure other bots meet less bots
[23:37] <koaschten> wtf is omegle and why do you put a bot on it?
[23:37] <MystX> MagicalTux: Yeah, but mine wasnt a spam bot. I was getting annoyed at those
[23:37] <MystX> koaschten: Ooooh man. Never heard of it?
[23:37] <slaeshjag> Bots are kinda the inverse of what omeble is for
[23:37] <slaeshjag> omegle*
[23:38] <koaschten> dont make me google it, but i guess from your tone, it's either a 4chan, reddit, or stickam clone
[23:38] <slaeshjag> koaschten: it's like chatroulette but with a text-only option.
[23:38] <MystX> ^that
[23:39] <koaschten> why would you want a chatroulette without webcam?
[23:39] <MystX> And a protocol that's very easy to reverse engineer
[23:39] <koaschten> far too little fapping ernie puppets...
[23:39] <MystX> koaschten: so you can put a bash bot on there that connects people to a shell =D
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[23:42] <MystX> But yeah. the admins seem to be... assholes
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[23:42] <koaschten> Observe it from their point of view?
[23:42] <koaschten> they want human - human interaction
[23:42] <koaschten> ...
[23:43] <koaschten> call it a social experiment
[23:43] <MystX> Someone came up with a novel and non-destructive way of using their service?
[23:43] <koaschten> but you are screwing with their results
[23:43] <koaschten> by connecting humans with non-humans
[23:43] <MystX> If they want strictly human-human interation, they can say that on the site, and i will stop immediately
[23:43] <MagicalTux> I can imagine their reaction: "wtf, some bot is complaining there's too many bots"
[23:43] <MystX> MagicalTux: =D
[23:44] <MystX> Havent used obashgle in ages anyways
[23:44] <koaschten> They probably didn't expect bots and that's their way of saying so, by banning the bots
[23:45] <MystX> But apparently they just ban people who complain
[23:45] <MystX> Because 9/10 people on there were bots last time i went on
[23:45] <MystX> So if they're banning them, they're doing a pretty bad job
[23:47] <MystX> Is it out yet?
[23:47] <koaschten> nope
[23:48] <MystX> =(
[23:48] * IT_Sean slaps MystX with a horse willy
[23:48] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmmmm
[23:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean gross >.>
[23:48] <IT_Sean> O_o
[23:48] <MystX> Why not/they should hurry up/i bet they're all being lazy/im a spoiled brat whos never waited for anything
[23:49] <Caver> was it a big horse willy?
[23:49] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: XD
[23:50] <IT_Sean> Caver: longer than your arm.
[23:50] <MystX> I still dont know if thats big for a horse willy..
[23:50] <Caver> lol ...
[23:50] <IT_Sean> made a satisfying SLAP sound when i hit MystX with it
[23:50] <MystX> Probably not
[23:50] <Caver> MystX, ditto!
[23:50] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't know, not ebing a horse willy expert
[23:50] <IT_Sean> *being
[23:50] <MystX> Was it.. /aroused/?
[23:51] <MystX> >_>
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[23:52] <IT_Sean> ... ...
[23:52] <IT_Sean>
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[23:54] <uriah> so
[23:55] <uriah> any news in here?
[23:55] <IT_Sean> o
[23:55] <IT_Sean> no
[23:55] <uriah> :(
[23:55] <IT_Sean> no news
[23:55] <uriah> can't wait
[23:55] <IT_Sean> ... you mean...
[23:55] <IT_Sean> ... you missed it??
[23:56] <IT_Sean> man... bummer.
[23:56] <MystX> =O
[23:56] <koaschten> wait, people miss on mailing list signup closing?
[23:57] <mrdragons> I hope every single troll in here gets banned.
[23:57] <IT_Sean> oh come on mrdragons, it's fun :p
[23:58] <mrdragons> Forever.
[23:58] <mrdragons> This isn't fun; this is serious business.
[23:58] <IT_Sean> uriah: relax... you didn't miss anything. It is not out yet.
[23:58] <mrdragons> This is the future.
[23:58] <uriah> IT_Sean: rofl, good one
[23:58] <IT_Sean> :)
[23:58] <IT_Sean> see, mrdragons, HE thinks it's funny! ^
[23:58] <uriah> :>
[23:58] <mrdragons> trololol
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[23:58] <uriah> tralalalalal
[23:59] <uriah> meanwhile i get to play around with my phone

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