#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: lunch?
[0:00] <tntexplosivesltd> yup
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[0:25] <victhor> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2012-February/002237.html
[0:25] <victhor> I wonder if they meant mockups.
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> Err - what's the topic.
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> I don't get the reference
[0:32] <victhor> These are Rhombus-Tech people, they think they'll manage to show their product at CeBIT in March
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[0:32] <victhor> well, maybe in CeBIT 2020... but not 2012
[0:32] * SpeedEvil arghs.
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> Net not working properly, so I can't google/...
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> Can you enlighten?
[0:33] * SpeedEvil beats on router.
[0:33] <victhor> rhombus-tech aims to create a computer-on-module with lots of features for $15
[0:33] <victhor> http://rhombus-tech.net/
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[0:33] <victhor> and getting their product done by March... unlikely
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> So sort of like pi for embedded
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> Even connectors at $15 are a major annoyance.
[0:35] <victhor> they say they'll reach the $15 price if they manage to get a "100k" manufacturing volume
[0:35] <victhor> I think that's too optimistic
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> It's probably ballpark reasonable.
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> The hard part is why anyone would bother buying.
[0:36] <victhor> there are too many features for too little price
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> In volume that is.
[0:36] <Byan> whether the case, that price is obviously not comparible to the RPI price.
[0:36] <victhor> I would trust them if they set the volume price to $45. $15... uh...
[0:37] <Byan> just for one, it doesn't include liscense costs
[0:37] <victhor> the pandora wasn't supposed to cost that much nor take that long to reach production - but everyone knows what happened...
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[0:37] <SpeedEvil> I wish someone would bring out something like a STM32* - say a QFN64 or something, with 1M ROM, 8M RAM.
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[0:37] <traeak> only need ~1.5mill for that run
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> USB host and device mode, SPI, GPIOs, and not much more.
[0:38] <Byan> whats wrong with stm32?
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> For $5 or so.
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Byan: no linux.
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Byan: Yes, in principle you can do lots with it.
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> But - for example - not having to write your own ftp/tcp/arp/... stacks can make things _so_ much faster.
[0:39] <traeak> we've definitely got a split here iwth the rpi ... hardware control guys and cheap standard platform for academic software research (os, etc)
[0:39] <Byan> sure.. but 8mb of ram is pretty optimistic..
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> Byan: I know what you can do with linux and 8M. It's limited, but very useful.
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[0:40] <SpeedEvil> For some things, it'd be just fine. For example lightswitches or temperature loggers.
[0:40] <Byan> yeah.. but.. for that you'd just use a microcontroller..
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> Once you start needing to do non-trivial protocols, that gets messy.
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[0:42] <Byan> yeah.. but.. I am having troubl thinking of a usecase where you'd 'need' that
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> network accessible lightswitches.
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> And heating controls.
[0:42] <Byan> sounds easily done on a microcontroller.
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> It's not.
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> Especially when you get to other things that are almost trivial with linux, but challenging without. For example, hooking up a webcam.
[0:43] <Byan> webcam is trivial with microcontroller
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> It's not.
[0:43] <Byan> maybe not 'webcam'
[0:43] <Byan> but camera
[0:44] <Byan> we had a team do that in college with an atmel
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> You need a 32 bit micro, and then it gets icky.
[0:44] <Byan> they did not..
[0:44] <victhor> there are serial port cameras
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Because finding a camera that will be available in several years gets really nasty.
[0:44] <victhor> they do all the processing for you
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Serial port cameras are available at ~50* the price of bare cameras.
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> Or ~10* the cost of cheap webcams.
[0:45] <Byan> that one I wouldn't know..
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[0:46] <SpeedEvil> The above is also from the perspective of where it's hard to integrate existing solutions. For example, I would like a keystore running linux on my keychain.
[0:47] <victhor> wow, the STM32 discovery is so cheap, it's better than the $4.30 MSP430 Launchpad
[0:47] <Byan> ^
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> It is neat.
[0:47] <Byan> how much is the discovery anyway?
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> It varies.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> They promote it at times
[0:49] <Byan> I think the price went down.. I don't remember it being so cheap
[0:49] <Byan> because I remember this thing because a better deal
[0:49] <Byan> http://www.futurlec.com/ET-STM32_Stamp.shtml
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[0:50] <Byan> anyway, SpeedEvil.. I have a tough time endorsing overkill solutions just because they are easier..
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> Byan: To a degree, I agree with you.
[0:50] <Byan> too many people running microsoft windows on LED signs and the likes
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> Byan: At some point - for example if you're a one-man-band, trying to implement a bluetooth stack - it becomes much cheaper and easier to just use bluez.
[0:51] <Byan> but they have chips for that..
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> The chips don't always do what you want.
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> And lack flexibility.
[0:52] <Byan> lol, well, they have -alot- of chips for that
[0:52] <victhor> I want one. I never used a micro before, let alone a 64 pin ARM one, but it's too cheap.
[0:52] <Byan> but I suppose I se eyoru point
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> And yes - micros with 20 words of RAM have their place.
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> But today, when you can get >>20MHz 32 bit micros for under a dollar, that you could accidentally inhale...
[0:55] <Byan> example?
[0:56] <victhor> I have an idea of what I could use the board for (driving character LCDs) but I don't know how to do it.
[0:56] <Byan> victhor: atmels are more documented.. I would start there and work your way up
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, atmel are great
[0:57] <Byan> atmel avr*
[0:57] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> Byan: http://www.nxp.com/news/press-releases/2010/04/nxp-shows-world-s-smallest-32-bit-arm-microcontroller.html
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[1:00] <SpeedEvil> The LPC1102, with 32KB of Flash and 8KB of RAM on-chip, is available in Wafer Level Chip Scale Packaging (WL-CSP) with dimensions of 2.17 mm2 x 2.32 mm2, thickness of 0.6 mm, and pitch of 0.5 mm.
[1:00] <MystX> Is it out yet?
[1:00] * PiBot slaps MystX across the face with a cast iron pan.
[1:00] <tntexplosivesltd> woah
[1:00] <DaQatz> Tiny
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[1:00] <MystX> Mmm sprite
[1:01] <Byan> how many pins is that..
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> 16
[1:01] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: no, dairy
[1:02] <tntexplosivesltd> pleaSE?
[1:03] <tntexplosivesltd> whoops caps
[1:03] <Byan> could be good for microdevices hrm.
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[1:04] <MystX> tnt too late
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> T_T
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> tpp bad
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> * too
[1:04] <tntexplosivesltd> you're coming
[1:05] <tntexplosivesltd> at 2
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: it looks like it has more pins than that
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> unless I'm looking at the tiny things at the edges
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> whoch might not be pins
[1:06] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: did you get an email from uni about being a mentor?
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> It's a 4*4 grid of balls
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[1:07] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: I did. keen?
[1:07] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: ah I thought those something else
[1:07] <MystX> Im sory, but im not volunteering for a University who can't use the right "you're" in their emails
[1:07] <MystX> sorry*
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> oh ffs, didn't read that part
[1:08] <MystX> "If your keen to be a mentor please let me know..."
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> idiots
[1:08] <MystX> Its also somehting to do with the whole screwing us over thing
[1:08] <MystX> So no, not keen
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> "I would like to be your spelling mentor, it looks like you need it"
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: well it's not really helping the uni, it's helping the poor souls who decided to go there
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> and we could totally screw them over
[1:10] <tntexplosivesltd> which would be hilarious
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[1:11] <MystX> lol
[1:11] <MystX> Yeah but im lazy
[1:11] <MystX> I mean busy
[1:11] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, yeah
[1:11] <tntexplosivesltd> that too
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[1:46] <IT_Sean> o/
[1:46] <tntexplosivesltd> o/*\o
[1:46] <DaQatz> ._.
[1:46] <DaQatz> ._O
[1:47] <DaQatz> O_.
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[2:13] <MystX> what did i miss?
[2:13] <DaQatz> sanity
[2:13] <octeris> MystX: IT'S OUT
[2:13] <octeris> MystX: Just kidding. :P
[2:13] <IT_Sean> octeris, stop trolling
[2:13] <MystX> fffuuu- oh good
[2:13] <DaQatz> which is bad becuase it will never happen again.
[2:14] <octeris> IT_Sean: Trolling? Who?
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[2:15] <traeak> trolling or baiting ?
[2:15] <tntexplosivesltd> he was obviously killing
[2:15] <tntexplosivesltd> * kidding
[2:15] <MystX> And killing
[2:15] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX is surely not fooled
[2:15] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: freudian slip?
[2:16] <IT_Sean> no killing, please.
[2:16] <MystX> =(
[2:16] <MystX> What if we're killing sightlight?
[2:17] <mrdragons> No.
[2:17] <IT_Sean> ... no killing, please.
[2:18] <tntexplosivesltd> a bit of hesitation there?
[2:18] <mrdragons> Oh come on, he's not that bad
[2:19] <traeak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88HEuwInno
[2:19] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[2:20] <traeak> classic clip man
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[2:21] <traeak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z0VMI67a4Y
[2:21] <traeak> a littl more concise
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[2:35] <koaschten> haha http://www.serversplus.com/servers/server_bundles/658553421-borg
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[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, you know the Z2 is on sale again, yeah?
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> well... even moreso... another 20%
[4:45] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: nope i didn't know
[4:45] <ukscone> from ed soloman?
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, thought you might be interested to know
[4:46] <ukscone> not done anything z2 related for a few weeks
[4:46] <ukscone> still struggling with generic webcams in linux atm
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> "We are selling 1 - 3 for $18.00, 4 - 8 for $15.00 each, 9 - 16 for $12.50
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> each and $10.00 each for any quantity above 16."
[4:46] <ukscone> about to toss linux and webcams out of the window
[4:47] <Tachyon`> Z2 is what?
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, a little hackable linux device.... the specs are crap, but it's interesting.
[4:48] <Tachyon`> zipit 2?
[4:48] <DaQatz> Z2's handy?
[4:48] <Tachyon`> the im device for teenagers?
[4:48] <SpeedEvil> I'm irritated they won't just throw them in a bag with some bubblewrap
[4:48] <Tachyon`> I was after one of those, heh
[4:48] <SpeedEvil> The shipping makes it lots less interesting for those of us in the UK
[4:48] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'm in teh U
[4:48] <Tachyon`> UK
[4:49] <Tachyon`> did get a zipit 1 from someone on ebay
[4:49] <DaQatz> US here
[4:49] <Tachyon`> but he packaged it badly and it arrived with smashed screen
[4:49] <Tachyon`> SpeedEvil, the shipping could be split perhaps?
[4:49] <DaQatz> Sucky
[4:50] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: The volume of the packaging is quite high - so the price per additional device is high, I mean
[4:50] <Tachyon`> bah
[4:50] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, getting 24 (say) and splitting might make sense
[4:50] <Tachyon`> shame, I could haev done with a few
[4:50] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: yeah if theey reboxed it into a usps priority box you can fit 2 in the small box which is abot $10
[4:50] <Tachyon`> I'd certainly have had 10 of them at that price, heh, I bought a dozen cybiko xtremes just because they seemed interesting when they got cheap, lol
[4:51] <ukscone> speedevil i sent 40 to france after reboxing for $200 :)
[4:51] <Tachyon`> althoug it turned out the wireless on those was so bad they were esentially useless
[4:52] <SpeedEvil> ukscone: Indeed.
[4:52] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: they were going to charge $700 to france
[4:52] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[4:53] <ukscone> ugh ok i give up ignoring the kinect which i will be using eventually anyone know of cheap usb webcams that work well with opencv in linux?
[4:53] <ukscone> that are basically braindead to install and setup
[4:54] <SpeedEvil> you want ones that are advertised as 'driverless'
[4:54] <SpeedEvil> These are usually 'USB video class'
[4:54] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: i need something even i can setup
[4:54] <SpeedEvil> The logitech 9000 is good.
[4:54] <ukscone> having a pig of a timee with d-link c300s
[4:55] <ukscone> and a couple of others
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> for those interested in the Z2 I've pasted the details here http://pastebin.com/JrgjiamP
[4:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cannon-style-driveless-1-3mp-hd-webcam-with-built-in-microphone-black-42179
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> Often you'll also see something like the aboves ) and also on Linux (Tried Ubunto, Knoppix so it should work on most others too)
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> - The price is great for the immage quality it offerrs.
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> in reviews
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> http://s.dealextreme.com/search/driverless
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> Any of these 77
[4:57] <ukscone> i basically need something that i can get a head of sholder shot of someone with as i need to do some simple face recognition
[4:58] <SpeedEvil> If rock bottom price isn't your first criteria - I'd look at the logitech quickcam pro 9000
[4:58] <ukscone> when we move up to kinects i'll be doing some really fancy stuff but i need to do a proof of concept first
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[4:58] <ukscone> well cheap as i have to buy them first myself and need them in a few days and dealextreme is slooooooow
[4:58] <SpeedEvil> The above is $50 or so
[4:59] <ukscone> bit rich for me atm -- maybe by the weekend i'll have some cash available
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[5:27] <Tachyon`> arranging repackaging of z2s with a friend in california, does anyone else in the UK want any while I'm at it
[5:28] <tntexplosivesltd> z2s?
[5:28] <tntexplosivesltd> what's a z2?
[5:28] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: Yes!
[5:28] <SpeedEvil> err
[5:28] <SpeedEvil> do I?
[5:28] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[5:29] <SpeedEvil> Or do I have enough random bits of junk I won't touch again.
[5:29] <Tachyon`> well, decide and prod me before wednesday if you do want any as taht's when I'll be ordering/paying
[5:29] <SpeedEvil> I'll think about it :)
[5:30] <SpeedEvil> I suspect others here may too if you prod occasionally.
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, scroll up
[5:31] <tntexplosivesltd> ah I see
[5:35] <Tachyon`> I'll be having 8 or 16 myself, so it'll just be a case of dividing the actual costs up equally per machine
[5:36] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, would your friend be willing to post to Australia?
[5:38] <Tachyon`> probably not, they'll all come to me then I'll send back out, I'd be willing to post to australia, ti's not as expensive as it sounds
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[5:39] <Tachyon`> particularly if you want more than one
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd probably get another 5 if I were to get any.
[5:41] <Tachyon`> oh well, it'll still be significantly cheaper than buying direct I'd imagine, have to wait for him to get back to me with costs
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> uk shipping seems to be much more reasonable than US. I don't know how they even get away with such high prices.
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> another way to kill local manufacturing and exports I guess
[5:44] <Tachyon`> lol
[5:44] <Tachyon`> I think ours is subsidised somewhat
[5:44] <Tachyon`> businesses pay more so individuals pay less or something
[5:44] <Tachyon`> I dunno, it's cheap compared to eslewhere though
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[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> my new favourite website http://www.sadtrombone.com/
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[6:04] <Tachyon`> oh heh
[6:05] <Tachyon`> http://instantbazinga.com/
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[7:08] <jolo2> ShiftPlusOne, http://www.instantsfun.es/ this one has more :D
[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> jolo2, sure, but it's not practical
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[9:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
[9:25] <tntexplosivesltd> morning
[9:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:25] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Feb 2 07:50:00 2012. Temp -3??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 80%, Later 2??C - -5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[9:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> I though so ....
[9:27] <haltdef> !w dawlish
[9:27] <PiBot> haltdef: in Dawlish, Devon on Thu Feb 2 07:50:00 2012. Temp -4??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 69%, Later 2??C - -6??C. Condition: Clear.
[9:27] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[9:27] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 15??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 59%, Later 21??C - 11??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[9:27] <tntexplosivesltd> =/
[9:27] <tntexplosivesltd> fuck off rain
[9:27] <haltdef> isn't that cold, only -1.4C
[9:27] <haltdef> weather station up the road says so :P
[9:27] <tntexplosivesltd> haltdef: cold bug XD
[9:29] <haltdef> hm, UPS still not quite right
[9:29] <tntexplosivesltd> =/
[9:29] <haltdef> replaced one out of two of the batteries it came with, lasts 10 mins with everything now
[9:29] <haltdef> used to be 20
[9:30] <haltdef> which is better that instant death on power failure I had before :P
[9:30] <tntexplosivesltd> well yeah
[9:30] <tntexplosivesltd> maybe both batteries were shot?
[9:31] <haltdef> probably, the UPS is 5 years old
[9:31] <haltdef> only ??15 for another battery, I'll kill it entirely first :P
[9:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg5OlyT4bFk aha the police today
[9:31] <tntexplosivesltd> what battery does it take?
[9:32] <haltdef> two 12v 7Ah things
[9:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[9:32] <haltdef> put a yuasa battery in place of the dead one
[9:32] <haltdef> it's one of those non user replacable UPSes
[9:32] <haltdef> "challenge accepted"
[9:32] <tntexplosivesltd> well exactly
[9:33] <haltdef> there was swearing. :P
[9:34] <tntexplosivesltd> light engineering always implies swaering
[9:34] <tntexplosivesltd> * swearing
[9:46] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't go 20 min ->19 min ->18 min ...
[9:46] <SpeedEvil> It goes 20 min -> 19 min -> 0.1 min
[9:46] <tntexplosivesltd> 0_0
[9:47] <SpeedEvil> I mean as the battery ages.
[9:47] <SpeedEvil> I replaced my 12V 7Ah battery in the UPS with a 12V 100Ah one.
[9:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[9:47] <SpeedEvil> Not in the same case of course.
[9:48] <haltdef> ha
[9:49] <haltdef> dunno why I'm only getting 10 mins rather than 20
[9:49] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: is it >12mo old?
[9:50] <haltdef> try 5 years :P
[9:50] <SpeedEvil> That'll be it
[9:50] <haltdef> the UPS itself or the battery?
[9:50] <SpeedEvil> battery
[9:50] <haltdef> one of the batteries is the original
[9:50] <SpeedEvil> oh
[9:50] <SpeedEvil> umm - you do know they are probably in series
[9:50] <SpeedEvil> not in parallel?
[9:51] <haltdef> I do, wired it back up the same way I found it
[9:51] <SpeedEvil> And replacing only one is a really bad idea.
[9:51] <haltdef> how so?
[9:51] <SpeedEvil> And will _really_ accellerate wear of the other battery.
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[9:51] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, in series you always replace both
[9:52] <haltdef> the new one?
[9:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ueaahp
[9:52] <tntexplosivesltd> * yeahp
[9:52] <SpeedEvil> The new one may be affected depending on what happens to the old one.
[9:52] <SpeedEvil> It could be significantly over, or undercharged
[9:53] <SpeedEvil> batteries are supposed to be used from around 10-14V
[9:53] <haltdef> should I be unplugging this thing right now?
[9:53] <SpeedEvil> The UPS uses the two batteries in series from 20-28V
[9:53] <SpeedEvil> It is probably not a fire risk.
[9:53] <SpeedEvil> It may however pop the battery on discharge
[9:53] <SpeedEvil> The old one
[9:53] <haltdef> ..pop?
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[9:55] <SpeedEvil> http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18265&hilit=acid+pop
[9:55] <SpeedEvil> Thread doesn't have enough pics.
[9:56] <haltdef> hnng
[9:56] <haltdef> consider me educated
[9:56] <tntexplosivesltd> well that was easy
[9:56] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[9:57] <SpeedEvil> The basic problem is if you have a good battery charged to 14V, and then discharge it in series with a bad battery, and terminate the discharge at 20V, the remaining battery may be at around 7V
[9:57] <SpeedEvil> This causes major plate warping, and possibly hydrogen generation from reversed cells
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> that can be a fire risk
[9:58] <SpeedEvil> In this case - probably not.
[9:58] <SpeedEvil> It's inside a metal case.
[9:58] <SpeedEvil> The vapours won't be good though.
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> well depends
[9:58] <haltdef> don't rly have the money for another battery, will take the new battery out and put it into a single battery APC UPS
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> containing it can be worse
[9:59] <haltdef> I sense a lot of swearing in my future
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> http://dvice.com/archives/2012/01/lcd-equipped-sm.php
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[10:13] <tntexplosivesltd> ponies?
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[10:17] <haltdef> yes
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[10:18] <tntexplosivesltd> do you like ponies?
[10:18] <tntexplosivesltd> I want a pony with my r-pi
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[10:24] <Henchman21> hubworld.com/weheartponies
[10:24] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[10:24] <Henchman21> vote for the MAre-a-thon
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[11:33] <Davespice> hey guys
[11:33] <Davespice> o/
[11:33] <Davespice> is there anything worth me reading in the backlog?
[11:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> no not unless you like ponies
[11:34] <Davespice> *blank look*
[11:34] <Davespice> okay
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[11:34] <Hexxeh> Hey :)
[11:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> I know a Hexxeh
[11:35] <Hexxeh> Looking at adding a RaspPi version of a distro I build, which toolchain should I be using to build something that'll run on a Pi?
[11:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/toolchain <- may help
[11:36] <Hexxeh> Mmmh, found that via Google but it doesn't mention any specific toolchain that should be used
[11:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha yeah - umm - let me see if ican find something else
[11:37] <Stskeeps> Hexxeh: anything that does softfp armv6 vfp
[11:38] <SphericalCow> should be simple to build a gcc cross compiler
[11:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ yeah there is a vm demo thing somewhere that shows soemthing useful but I cannot find it ATM
[11:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> ... Hexxeh - - chromium hexxeh ? I've used that
[11:41] <Hexxeh> That's me :)
[11:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> +1
[11:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm =- back in 15mins or so got a server to poke
[11:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/emulating-a-raspi-on-windows
[11:43] <SphericalCow> i think they will be running Debian by default
[11:43] <SphericalCow> so any material on building debian embedded systems may be helpful to you
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[11:59] <UukGoblin> is it out yet?
[11:59] * PiBot slaps UukGoblin across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[12:01] <Davespice> who'se the owner of PiBot?
[12:03] <haltdef> I thought it was ukscone's
[12:03] <haltdef> or at least the only authorised one
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[12:07] <Davespice> okay cool
[12:08] <Davespice> I just thought it might be funny if it counted how many times a user asks if it's 'you know what' yet and increases the severity of the object used to slap with.
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[12:13] <chris_99> so guys, is it out yet? ;)
[12:13] * PiBot slaps chris_99 across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[12:16] <Davespice> haha
[12:17] <Davespice> :)
[12:17] <haltdef> official twitter said 2 weeks
[12:17] * Davespice shrugs
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[12:18] <haltdef> "a couple of weeks" to quote directly :P
[12:18] <haltdef> keep it vague, just in case
[12:18] <Davespice> I'm just going to stick with the Gaelic shrug till I get my hands on one
[12:19] <chris_99> we could have built our own in this time ;)
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[12:21] <qw-> hi,will I be able to burn a dvd/cd, with the raspberrypi?
[12:21] <chris_99> if you get a usb cd burner sure
[12:21] <qw-> okay thanks
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[12:27] <qw-> so if I were to fix everything in an old computer casing,it would be like an ordinary computer, but silent and cheap to run?
[12:29] <haltdef> far slower but pretty much
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[12:34] <Caver> hi
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[13:02] <mrgaddy> has someone tried this litle pc?
[13:03] <Caver> mrdragons, it's not yet released ... a few people have the beta boards
[13:04] <mrgaddy> :(
[13:05] <Caver> we reckon in the next few weeks it ought to be out
[13:06] <merlin1991> I'm sure it will come out when I have no access to interet and will be sold out before I get some
[13:06] <Caver> well at worst there is always the next batch
[13:07] <Henchman21> and used ones on feebay
[13:07] <mrgaddy> did u like it?
[13:08] <Henchman21> dang did you see some of the ones that were on ebay went for like a thousand $
[13:08] <Hexxeh> Henchman21: Doubt we'll see many of the first batch on eBay
[13:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> the foundation will put some up on ebay anyway to stuff the shillers
[13:09] <Henchman21> sure theres a few sleezeballs out there getting one shipped to grandma's to sell for a profit on fleabay
[13:09] <Caver> probably :(
[13:09] <mrgaddy> :(
[13:10] <Henchman21> thats a great idea to get two, have my pops order one for me ;)
[13:11] <Caver> I suspect there will be a awful lot of people trying that one!
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[13:11] <Henchman21> wonder how bad shipping will be
[13:11] <mrgaddy> Caver, no doubt :) everyone wants this
[13:12] <Henchman21> 10-20$
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[13:12] <Caver> don't know on that one
[13:12] <Henchman21> 45-55$ total
[13:12] <Hexxeh> Ah, fair point, didn't consider that
[13:12] <Caver> what does something usually cost from the UK to where ever?
[13:12] <mrgaddy> not only programmers, even lamers like me
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[13:13] <Henchman21> i dont have a usb keyboard and dont plan on getting one, ssh should suffice for me
[13:14] <Caver> things you'd need ... power supply of some kind - perhaps a old phone charger, if not USB hub with a usb <> microusb
[13:14] <Hexxeh> Does the 3.5mm jack on a Pi work in conjunction with HDMI?
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[13:14] <Hexxeh> By the same thread, does the audio go over HDMI too?
[13:14] <Caver> and a SD card
[13:15] <Caver> audio is sent over HDMI yes
[13:15] <Hexxeh> Is it outputted on the 3.5mm simultaneously?
[13:15] <mrgaddy> hdmi doesnt need 3.5 mm jack
[13:15] <Hexxeh> I know, but I have a projector that doesn't have any speakers, but has HDMI in, so I need to split the audio off seperately
[13:15] <Hexxeh> It'd be nice if it outputted via the 3.5mm at the same time so I can connect speakers
[13:16] <Caver> I'd imagine thats down to the software - but no reason why not
[13:16] <Hexxeh> Awesome
[13:17] <Caver> :)
[13:17] <Caver> I imagine a lot of people would find that useful
[13:17] <Hexxeh> I wonder how well Chromium will run on 256MB of memory
[13:17] <Henchman21> yeah that'd be cool to have seperate audio coming out the 3.5
[13:17] <Hexxeh> I've heard folks saying that 512MB is the bare minimum to be usable
[13:17] <Caver> my amp doesn't have hdmi at all, so will have to made do with 2 channel sound
[13:17] <mrgaddy> i want Mint =)
[13:17] <Henchman21> bzflag
[13:18] <Caver> Hexxeh, I've used a old laptop - 600MHz cpu, 256Mb ram, and Lubuntu (the low memory edition) and chrome on it was certainly bearable
[13:19] <Hexxeh> Interesting, Chromium OS should mean a little bit more memory is available to the browser since it's not being used by the OS too
[13:19] <Caver> I gather a 600MHz intel is a bit faster than a 700MHz arm, but ... I think it'll be ok
[13:19] <Henchman21> sauerbraten
[13:19] <Hexxeh> There's currently no ARMv6 build available for Chromium OS, but I'm looking to change that :)
[13:19] <Caver> isn't there!
[13:19] <Henchman21> you mean googles OS?
[13:19] <Henchman21> i'd stay far away from that
[13:19] <Hexxeh> Caver: Nope, v7a only
[13:19] <Caver> poo
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[13:19] <Hexxeh> Henchman21: Why is that?
[13:19] <Henchman21> google is evil
[13:20] <Hexxeh> Isn't their motto the opposite?
[13:20] <Hexxeh> Or is this a case of /bandwagon
[13:20] <Caver> do you mean the os or the version of the browser on linux?
[13:20] <Henchman21> anything google is evil
[13:20] <Hexxeh> I mean the OS
[13:20] <Caver> ah
[13:20] <mrgaddy> henchman21, why do you think so?
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[13:21] <Hexxeh> I think if someone submitted patches for a Raspberry Pi board, they'd be accepted
[13:21] <Hexxeh> And I don't think you can get a more lightweight OS for day to day use than CrOS
[13:21] <Caver> chromium-browser - Chromium browser - I was talking about the browser package !
[13:21] <Hexxeh> Ahhh, nah
[13:21] <Hexxeh> There's likely a v6 version of that
[13:22] <Henchman21> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
[13:22] <Hexxeh> But there's like 400 other packages that need to be cross-compiled for the OS :)
[13:22] <Caver> yup - can't see why not, it's got source available
[13:22] <Caver> of course
[13:22] <Henchman21> google is all for censorship
[13:22] <Hexxeh> Of all the fruit themed names I've used for builds, I've not used Raspberry yet...
[13:22] <Henchman21> "In February 2006, Google made a significant concession to the Great Firewall of China, in exchange for equipment installation on Chinese soil, by blocking websites which the Chinese Government deemed illegal"
[13:23] <Hexxeh> Henchman21: You can't really blame them, they tried for a long time to avoid that
[13:23] <Henchman21> they do the same stuff for the rest of us
[13:23] <Hexxeh> A censored Google is better than no Google
[13:23] <mrgaddy> yes, google has bad sins. but nevertheless this is a good company
[13:23] <Caver> which just means a whole load of chinese, use Tor and the non-china version of google - government saves face, everyone wins
[13:24] <Caver> the internet is quite good at routing around censorship
[13:24] <Hexxeh> Exactly
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[13:24] <Caver> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/chromium-browser/filelist <-- chromium on debian "armel" version
[13:24] <Caver> I think thats ok for Pi usage?
[13:25] <Henchman21> they censor news they deam unfit for the masses, they give top ranking to their friends, recently i'd google search "+this -that" i'd get hits for -that and sometimes without this
[13:25] <Hexxeh> Caver: Lemme download it, I'll take a look
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[13:25] <Henchman21> and get viagra hits
[13:25] <Caver> thats cos you've been surfing too much porn and it thinks you need some :P
[13:25] <Henchman21> before, google was good but they changed big time
[13:26] <Henchman21> and they read your email
[13:26] <Henchman21> seriously wake up
[13:26] <Henchman21> they're evil
[13:26] <Caver> so .. go use bing ... it's a free world (ish)
[13:26] <Henchman21> bing uses google last i checked
[13:26] <Henchman21> :P
[13:26] <victhor> use altavista LOL
[13:27] <Henchman21> i ude duckduckgo and startpage google for nonsense like pony pics
[13:27] <Caver> is the arm on Pi little endian?
[13:27] <victhor> ARM is little endian
[13:28] <Caver> so armel - "EABI ARM Debian fully supports a port to little-endian ARM." it likely to be correct port of debian?
[13:30] <Hexxeh> Caver: I /think/ that's v6
[13:31] <Caver> :)
[13:32] <Caver> aha yes it is
[13:32] <Caver> just looked though the instructions for setting up the qemu emulator and it mentions debootsrap'ing armel
[13:32] <Caver> so fairly likely chrome the browser is going to work
[13:32] <Caver> how fast is another question :)
[13:33] <Hexxeh> I'd say slowly
[13:33] <Caver> I guess thats down to how accelerated with x.org
[13:33] <Hexxeh> Not something you can test in QEMU though
[13:34] <Caver> no
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[14:05] <Henchman21> im trying to write a c program to print fibonacci sequence forever
[14:05] <Caver> :)
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[14:07] <chris_99> are you going to use multi-precision?
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[14:07] <Henchman21> ?
[14:09] <chris_99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary-precision_arithmetic
[14:09] <Henchman21> http://pastebin.com/d5p4GnQ8
[14:09] <Henchman21> thats all i have
[14:09] <Caver> LOL
[14:09] <chris_99> haha
[14:10] <Thorn_> lol
[14:10] <Caver> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3953749/python-fibonacci-generator ... then use PiPi to convert to C
[14:10] <Caver> :P
[14:10] <Caver> * PyPy
[14:10] <Thorn_> //useless include of stdio
[14:10] <Thorn_> //incorrect argument prototype for int main
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[14:10] * Thorn_ ducks
[14:11] <Henchman21> well i do plan to have it spit the numbers out on console so
[14:11] <Caver> int main ... what should it be?
[14:11] <Thorn_> int argc, char **argv
[14:11] <Thorn_> iirc gcc whines if you dont
[14:11] <Henchman21> oh dunno how int got in there
[14:12] <Thorn_> int main(int argc, char **argv) to be exact
[14:12] <Thorn_> or char *argv[] if you're a lamer :D
[14:12] <chris_99> nah, i think gcc should work fine with no args in there
[14:12] <Thorn_> -Wextra -pedantic -Werror too? ;p
[14:12] <chris_99> oh heh
[14:12] <Caver> always worked for me, providing I'm not passing anything in from the command line
[14:13] <Thorn_> fair enough
[14:13] <Henchman21> #include<stdio.h>; main (){}
[14:14] <Henchman21> #include<stdio.h>; main (){printf("fibonacci sequence"}
[14:14] <Henchman21> thats all i have sofar
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[14:15] <Henchman21> while (true); fibonacci() {something}
[14:15] <Caver> ahh an entry for the C obfuscation contest :)
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[14:15] <Thorn_> haha
[14:15] <Thorn_> that contest had some crazy stuff
[14:15] <Thorn_> did you see the plane simulator one?
[14:15] <Henchman21> oh yeah makes me wish i could code
[14:15] <Caver> well the python code is up there ^^ ... should give you the idea on how to do the routine
[14:16] <Thorn_> in the shape of a plane
[14:16] <Henchman21> most of them look like asm
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[14:16] <Thorn_> erm
[14:16] <Caver> or clever games with the preprocessor
[14:17] <Thorn_> ^
[14:17] <Henchman21> jumping from bottom to top
[14:18] <Henchman21> http://www.ioccc.org/winners.html
[14:18] <Caver> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Code_Contest#Examples the Pi (yay on topic!) is still my favourite one
[14:20] <Henchman21> im afraid to compile any of those
[14:20] <Henchman21> might rip time/space
[14:21] <Caver> LOL
[14:21] <Caver> just compiled my hello world written from dusty memory with out errors :)
[14:22] <Caver> http://pastebin.com/wkx0PhD2
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[14:22] <Caver> even the return worked
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[14:23] <Thorn_> your indentation sucks
[14:23] * Thorn_ stabs those braces
[14:23] <Thorn_> they need to learn their place
[14:23] <Caver> my program, my style :)
[14:23] <Thorn_> your style sucks :D
[14:23] <Caver> sniggers
[14:23] <Caver> I *knew* someone would rip holes in it
[14:23] <Caver> come on then - lets see your effort
[14:24] <Thorn_> on hello world? not worth the waste of time
[14:24] <Caver> ok
[14:24] * Caver makes chicken noises
[14:25] <victhor> "Obfuscated Perl Contest" I thought Perl forced you to write obfuscated code... :P
[14:25] <Thorn_> lol
[14:25] <Caver> ah yes ... perl ... a write only language
[14:28] <weuxel> looks encrypted the same as unencrypted
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[14:29] <Henchman21> :(){ :|:& };:
[14:29] <Thorn_> fork?
[14:29] <Henchman21> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
[14:29] <Thorn_> yeah, old :P
[14:30] <Henchman21> oldy but a goody
[14:30] <gobby> Personally I think the hello world should look like this: http://pastebin.com/G1tbh070
[14:30] <Henchman21> how pretty
[14:31] <Thorn_> open brace on the function prototype line :(
[14:31] <gobby> But there are schools of thought that suggest the opening brace should be on a line on its own
[14:31] <Thorn_> <-
[14:31] <Thorn_> i use the same line for loops/if statements, but seperate line for function braces
[14:32] <ReggieUK> I could care less as long as the damn code compiles
[14:32] <Henchman21> you want people to be able to read it
[14:32] <Thorn_> just wait
[14:32] <Thorn_> soon gcc will automatically run astyle on your code evertime you try to compile it
[14:32] <ReggieUK> it's 5 lines of code, doesn't need commenting, if you can't read that then there's not much hope for you
[14:33] <gobby> Coding style is a very personal thing. It becomes more of an issue when a project has multiple developers. As long as everyone agrees a standard and consistently sticks to it that's the important part
[14:33] <Henchman21> i mean the reason for a somewhat standard style helps with cooperative debugging when that 5 lines turns into 5k lines
[14:34] <ReggieUK> Soo, is this the topic of the day, 'Where is the best place to put curly brackets?'
[14:34] <Henchman21> exactly
[14:34] <jzu> there are two ways to indent a program: the good one, and the one all the others use
[14:34] <gobby> My way and the wrong way? :-p
[14:34] <Thorn_> ReggieUK: sorry did you have something pi related or more interesting to discuss instead? ;p
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[14:35] <ReggieUK> nope, I just trying to guage the levels we will be plumbing today
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[14:35] <Henchman21> see the post on raspbmc
[14:35] <Henchman21> ?
[14:35] <gobby> I've always tried to adhere to these: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle
[14:35] <ReggieUK> gauge*
[14:36] <ReggieUK> It's open source, there will be many people that will be doing things their way
[14:36] <Henchman21> http://raspbmc.com/
[14:36] <Henchman21> but its empty :P
[14:36] <ReggieUK> some will care about coding style, others will just care about code
[14:37] <ReggieUK> some people will barely be able to manage to get stuff to compile
[14:37] <Thorn_> functionality is irrelevent if it doesn't look pretty!
[14:37] <Thorn_> </woman>
[14:37] <Henchman21> got that right
[14:38] <Henchman21> form/function
[14:39] <haltdef> </apple>
[14:41] <Henchman21> http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw524_131217770322.jpg
[14:42] <Caver> my excuse is I learnt my coding style before linux was started
[14:42] <ukscone> IT_Sean: ping
[14:42] <ukscone> morning all
[14:43] <Thorn_> afternoon
[14:43] <Caver> hi
[14:43] <ReggieUK> hi ukscone
[14:43] <ukscone> hi ReggieUK
[14:43] <ukscone> ReggieUK: really this is fr IT_Sean but http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-%2526-technology/it-professionals-deny-they-would-ever-help-anyone-201202024846/
[14:44] <Caver> if you've ever seen the comedy series The IT Crowd ... thats how it really is
[14:44] <Caver> "have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
[14:45] <ukscone> yup
[14:48] <Henchman21> bofh
[14:48] <Caver> *checks todays excuse calendar*
[14:49] <Caver> mind you .. at 21, surely your more PFY then BOFH
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[14:50] <Tachyon`> the it crowd will hav eno more seasons
[14:50] <Tachyon`> the last one was canceleld
[14:50] <Tachyon`> there might be a christmas special this year but I wouldn't count on even taht
[14:51] <Thorn_> about time
[14:51] <Thorn_> it was a crap show
[14:51] <Caver> I think it'd jumped the shark a bit
[14:51] <Tachyon`> bet you watched it all the way to the end, heh
[14:51] <Thorn_> i seen one episode years ago
[14:51] <Thorn_> one episode too many
[14:52] <ReggieUK> ukscone, sooo true
[14:52] <ReggieUK> especially the last 2 paragraphs
[14:53] <IT_Sean> ukscone: pong
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[14:53] <ReggieUK> I thought I was a grumpy asshole until I met in-house IT people :D
[14:54] <IT_Sean> ukscone: were you looking for me? Sorry.. was AFK (@werk)
[14:55] <ukscone> IT_Sean: just a dailymash story i thought you might like
[14:55] <ukscone> it's up a few lines in the logs
[14:56] <Caver> interesting stuff about how debian armel is setup http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
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[14:58] <rm> doesn't armhf work on rpi?
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[14:59] <Caver> well - I'm going of the qemu cross compile instructions, which said armel
[14:59] <Caver> how ever nothing is saying I'm right!
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[15:03] <IT_Sean> ah
[15:03] <haltdef> I wonder if compiling for the raspi's cpu specifically rather than using prebuilt debs (which I suppose are built for an older arm version) would give any performance gains
[15:04] <Thorn_> like most compiler performance gains
[15:04] <Thorn_> probably 0.0000001%
[15:04] <ukscone> haltdef: depends
[15:04] <haltdef> I know that's pretty much the case on x86, arm tends to be a bit different though :P
[15:04] <Caver> if you think that that, then surely gentoo is for you
[15:05] <ukscone> haltdef: most distros use to use armv5 or armv7 for their arm rootfs so doing it as armv6 will do something to speed things up but probably only a couple of percent max
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[15:06] <ukscone> if there wasn't a gain of something then arm would have gone from v5 straight to v7 and not bothered with v6
[15:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://i.imgur.com/7Two8.gif <- work safe and just a bit of fun
[15:07] <rm> biggest question is whether or not armhf can work
[15:07] <haltdef> I know the cpu itself will be quicker, do you get the same benefit even running armv5 code though?
[15:07] <rm> easily 20-100%+ performance
[15:08] <rm> Currently the Debian armhf port requires at least an ARMv7 CPU with Thumb-2 and VFP3D16.
[15:08] <rm> so probably not :/
[15:08] <Caver> The Debian armhf port requires at least an ARMv7 CPU with Thumb-2 and VFP3D16 coprocessor.
[15:08] <rm> hehe
[15:08] <Caver> snap
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[15:09] <ukscone> any irc experts here?
[15:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> \ sort of depends ....
[15:10] <Caver> of course there is still time for someone to try a *bsd comile :)
[15:10] <IT_Sean> what do you need?
[15:10] <ukscone> just wondered if it's possible to change the email attached to a registered nick?
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[15:10] <IT_Sean> it is.
[15:10] <ukscone> ok great
[15:10] <IT_Sean> try /nickserv help set
[15:10] <ukscone> ta muchly
[15:10] <IT_Sean> i don't remember the exact command, but, iirc, it can be done
[15:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ WHS
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[15:11] * IT_Sean has gone through at least 4 emails since he started using IRC
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[15:11] <ukscone> bugger can't remember how to give someone "sticky" ops
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[15:16] <smw> ukscone, you mean in IRC?
[15:17] <ukscone> smw: yes
[15:17] <smw> ukscone, /msg chanserv access #raspberrypi add smw +Oov :-)
[15:17] <ukscone> i did it last week but i have been to sleep since then
[15:18] <smw> the O gives auto ops
[15:18] <ukscone> smw: thnx it was the access bit i forgot
[15:18] <smw> if you want just the power to op, remove the capital O
[15:18] <smw> (I suggest it)
[15:18] <ukscone> smw: yes just want to give +o
[15:19] <ukscone> the ability to go op but not auto op
[15:19] <smw> /msg chanserv help flags
[15:19] <smw> I am sure there are other flags you want to give your ops
[15:20] <ukscone> smw: nah -- they don't deserve any other flags
[15:20] <smw> lol
[15:20] <ukscone> smw: they are really annoying people really :)
[15:20] * ukscone ducks
[15:21] <smw> ukscone, don't forget to run the cmd I gave you exactly
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[15:21] <smw> ukscone, including the smw in there ;-)
[15:21] <ukscone> yeah the smw is really important to get it to work right
[15:21] <IT_Sean> smw: stop asking for +o :p
[15:21] <IT_Sean> we aren't that stoopit.
[15:21] <ukscone> IT_Sean: you might not be :)
[15:21] * Caver looks up the dictionary definition of self promotion, and sees a pic of smw
[15:21] <smw> I
[15:22] <smw> IT_Sean, :-(
[15:22] <smw> Caver, :-D
[15:22] <smw> I am in a book!
[15:23] <ukscone> blooming heck. the blog post i did about scratchbox has had over 35,000 hits in jan and already 6000+ in feb
[15:24] <smw> ukscone, scratchbox looks useful for RP
[15:24] * smw is googling
[15:24] <IT_Sean> ... I am remoted into two servers. One says it is 9.24am. The other says 6.24am
[15:24] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:25] <smw> IT_Sean, one is on the East Coast and the other on the West?
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> smw: They are in racks right next to one another, down the corridor from my office.
[15:26] <smw> IT_Sean, where is your office?
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> DOwn the corridor from the servers.
[15:26] <smw> EST or PST?
[15:26] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:26] <IT_Sean> EST.
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[15:27] * IT_Sean fixes the one that thinks it's 6.24aM
[15:27] <smw> then I guess you need to change the timezone :-P
[15:27] <smw> IT_Sean, don't be so hasty. My clock says 6:26
[15:27] <Caver> no ntp server?
[15:28] <smw> Caver, looks like a timezone issue. It has the correct minute
[15:28] <IT_Sean> Caver: Not for these servers. They aren't production servers... they are only used internally, so, we haven't bothered.
[15:29] <Caver> ah thats ok then :)
[15:30] <IT_Sean> smw: You get a prize... some dinglethorn set it up for PST
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[15:31] <smw> IT_Sean, My company is spread out over many timezones. I have gotten quick at the conversions ;-)
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[15:37] <IT_Sean> smw: we've three offices. One here in the US, one in the UK, and one downunder.
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[15:38] <smw> downunder?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Australia.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Earth's bottom.
[15:38] <smw> ah
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[15:38] <smw> as far as people in Australia are concerned, that is the middle :-P
[15:39] <smw> IT_Sean, https://xkcd.com/503/ (applies specifically to you)
[15:39] <IT_Sean> haha
[15:40] <smw> IT_Sean, so, what do you plan to do with your RP?
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> I plan to make it into a mini-server to allow me to power down the laptop at night.
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[15:41] <SpeedEvil> IRC bouncer, mains-power-meter logger.
[15:41] <smw> nice
[15:41] <smw> that is not a bad idea actually
[15:42] <smw> :-)
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Maybe wifi routers.
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> if I can work out a suitable wifi stick
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Shave my existing AP's 10W down to 5ish
[15:42] <haltdef> my bnc and bitlbee lives on a linux VM on the windows server (silence, fanboys), hoping to use the raspi for it instead
[15:42] <haltdef> handy during power cuts, supercool otherwise
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> Also a couple of webcams, one pointed at my electric meter, one outside.
[15:43] <feep> I am gonna run raytracing on mine.
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> Running motion.
[15:43] <feep> It'll be the slowest raytracing ever.
[15:43] <feep> no srsly, opengl dev :D
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> I've raytraced on a 386/20
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> And a 1-wire hub.
[15:43] <feep> SpeedEvil: povray?
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> To do sensing and control.
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> feep: yes
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[15:44] <feep> while I was in school, my religious education teacher lent me a cd with povray on it
[15:44] <feep> that guy was so awesome
[15:44] <feep> I remember going through all the sample scenes, looking for cool stuff to render
[15:45] <feep> SpeedEvil: I really with PoVRay had a path tracing mode.
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[15:48] <feep> megapov is unmaintained.. and thus, by extension, is mcpov
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[15:49] <IT_Sean> smw: sorry, was afk. I'm planning on getting two (one to start, of course, but a second one later on). The first one will be an xbmc device. The 2nd will be for general tinkering.
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[15:49] <smw> IT_Sean, yep, it is going to make an awesome xbmc device :-)
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Not it's intended use, but, it's pretty much perfrct for it.
[15:50] <smw> IT_Sean, except you are limited in codecs it will play
[15:51] <IT_Sean> DOesn't bother me.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> I can transcode anything i need to.
[15:51] <smw> I hate transcoding :-P
[15:51] <smw> I did alot of that so I could play stuff on the PS3
[15:52] <IT_Sean> I set up transcode jobs in large batches & let them run overnight, on the rare instances i need to.
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[15:55] <Davespice> gentlemen
[15:56] <Caver> *where*
[15:56] <Davespice> I have a really random request, a bit of a long shot...
[15:56] <IT_Sean> what's that?
[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> go for it
[15:56] <Davespice> cast your mind back to the early 90's, I'm looking for an old Novell IPX game called Netwars, it should be a single DOS exe
[15:56] <Davespice> anyone know where I might obtain it?
[15:56] <Caver> uhuh
[15:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/advanced-netwars.php
[15:57] <ukscone> Davespice: looked on http://www.vetusware.com/ ?
[15:57] <Davespice> oh my god, nice one Rattus
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> power to google [my google fu is good today]
[15:58] <Davespice> I've been looking on google for aaaages!
[15:58] <Davespice> you must be some kind of ninja
[16:00] <Caver> wohoo ... wine crash and burnt, dosbox works a treat
[16:00] <Hopsy> what is SATA3_M1_M2
[16:00] <Hopsy> where does the M stands for?
[16:00] <haltdef> marvell?
[16:00] <Hopsy> what is that?
[16:01] <haltdef> sata 6gbps ports are provided by a marvell chip on boards without native chipset 6gbps sata
[16:01] <Hopsy> and what can I do witch it?
[16:01] <Hopsy> is it something like RAID?
[16:01] <Davespice> I used to play netwars when I was in college in the 90's, we had loads of custom models made
[16:02] <haltdef> they're just sata ports capable of 6gbps
[16:02] <Davespice> if only I could find the floppies those are on...
[16:02] <haltdef> the chip probably provides some raid too but they're usually attached to the chipset via a 400MB/s bus
[16:02] <haltdef> which is pants considering single SSDs can exceed that
[16:02] <Hopsy> hmm
[16:03] <haltdef> stick to the chipset ports :P
[16:03] <Hopsy> but I am reading that from my motherboard
[16:03] <haltdef> ?
[16:03] <Hopsy> well the sata3 M port
[16:04] <haltdef> what about it
[16:04] <Hopsy> And when I stick my SATA150 HDD into that port, my boot takes 3 minutes :s
[16:04] <haltdef> sounds about right for a spinner :P
[16:13] <Tachyon`> oh well, emailed person about Z2s, got a form letter back answering one of my questions, trying again
[16:14] <Tachyon`> none of*
[16:15] <Caver> what's a Z2s?
[16:23] <Hopsy> haltdef: I dont get it
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[16:23] <Hopsy> my notebook crashed monday
[16:23] <Caver> some other kind of arm based board perhaps?
[16:23] <Hopsy> I want to backup my files
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[16:24] <Caver> hi johnthebear
[16:24] <johnthebear> hey caver
[16:24] <haltdef> I don't get what you don't get
[16:24] <Hopsy> I tried to connect my HDD to my motherboard
[16:25] <haltdef> SATA ports provided by a marvell chip rather than your chipset
[16:25] <Hopsy> but it's not working in the 'normal' SATA ports
[16:25] <Hopsy> only the marvell thing
[16:25] <Hopsy> but you are talking about some chip?
[16:25] <Caver> is the bios for the on board chips set in "RAID" mode in the bios?
[16:25] <Hopsy> and I am talking about the name of the port :p
[16:26] <Hopsy> I dont know
[16:26] <Caver> have a look :)
[16:26] <Caver> are you hot plugging it?
[16:26] <Caver> as not all chipsets can manage that!
[16:26] <Hopsy> ok, I will be back in 2 minutes
[16:26] <Hopsy> hot?
[16:26] <feep> while on
[16:26] <Caver> hot = while the machine is switched on
[16:27] <Hopsy> ow noo
[16:27] <feep> as opposed to cold, while it's off
[16:27] <feep> generally a system is hot if it's under power
[16:27] <Hopsy> yes, I understand
[16:27] <Hopsy> No I did only cold
[16:27] <Caver> right
[16:27] <Caver> anyway ... go check what the bios says with regard to raid or not
[16:28] <Hopsy> okay
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[16:30] <Caver> wait hold on ... I'm giving out potentially useful instructions ... and I'm in IT
[16:30] <Caver> I've broken the code ...
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[16:36] <Hopsy> Marvell SATA 3 operation mode was on IDE MODE
[16:36] <Hopsy> marvell sata 3 bootable = no
[16:36] <Hopsy> sata mode = IDE
[16:36] <Caver> which OS are you running?
[16:36] <Hopsy> sata controller 0 = compatible
[16:36] <Hopsy> at the moment windows
[16:37] <haltdef> which windows
[16:37] <Hopsy> 7
[16:37] <Henchman21> theres your problem right there
[16:37] <Hopsy> and smart was also enabled
[16:37] <Henchman21> should be using bsd
[16:37] <haltdef> no fanboy comments pl4ease, boring now
[16:37] <Caver> hrm .. you might honestly be better off asking on a windows channel
[16:37] <haltdef> -4
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[16:38] <Henchman21> HAH
[16:38] <Caver> but as a 1st guess - goto device manager, then view --> by connection
[16:38] <Caver> then open up the tabs and see if anythings shown as connecting to that controller
[16:38] <Henchman21> format C:
[16:39] <Hopsy> Caver: http://gyazo.com/c1d5f94a269aa564b6683805337715a9.png?1328007437
[16:39] <Hopsy> and http://gyazo.com/c35794dc4f905a8c331731721340ff0e.png?1328008210
[16:40] <Hopsy> and this is my smart data from notebook HDD: http://gyazo.com/f4d9f33a76a358c216451fa0fd048438.png?1328026666
[16:40] <Hopsy> smart data from samsung SSD: http://gyazo.com/f5b1815aafa6ae3ac36925210a269319.png?1328027299
[16:41] <Caver> did you try what I wrote above?
[16:41] <Hopsy> no
[16:41] <Hopsy> wait, I will connect my hdd again
[16:42] <Hopsy> will be back in couple of minutes
[16:42] <Caver> k
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[16:50] <Hopsy> Caver: http://gyazo.com/7a0c6cf7270c1dd76abb6b6f5e149c5f.png?1328197247
[16:51] <Hopsy> I dont see any hdd
[16:51] <Caver> would normally be under the Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
[16:52] <Caver> though all those "!" means that something is wrong with your PCI bus ... so I'd look into that before anything else
[16:52] <Hopsy> ATA channel?
[16:52] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/a1e954678f8706dc91658b1558ff262a.png?1328197379
[16:53] <rm> booooooooooooooooring
[16:53] <rm> why do you even bring some stupid Windows problem into the Raspberry Pi channel
[16:53] <Caver> tis a good question
[16:53] <rm> it is a complete 180 degrees from everything what Windows stands for :)
[16:55] <Caver> all I can say from that, is ... it's not a happy machine - look at all those errors on the PCI devices, and yes there isn't a disk being shown as attached to the internal controllers
[16:55] <Caver> could be all sorts of things
[16:56] <Henchman21> biggest problem i see causing it is winderz
[16:56] <ReggieUK> start with chipset drivers
[16:56] <Henchman21> XD
[16:56] <ReggieUK> then google
[16:57] <Henchman21> yeah google is a problem too
[16:57] <ReggieUK> and it's being overclocked from what I can tell
[16:57] <Henchman21> reading emails and censoring
[16:57] <Henchman21> guess they arent as bad as say yahoo that appends ads to all mail going through its hubs
[16:58] <Caver> really?
[16:58] <Caver> isn't not on my yahoo one
[16:58] <Henchman21> sure?
[16:58] <Henchman21> send an email from yahoo to a google email adress you should see a little ad footer
[16:59] <Henchman21> or the other direction
[16:59] <Caver> just sent one from my yahoo to my work ... no footer
[16:59] <Henchman21> or do you pay for your yahoo mail?
[16:59] <Caver> ROFTL ... *no*
[17:00] <Caver> just a free account I setup for the junky side of the internet .... 6 years ago
[17:01] <Henchman21> maybe im thinking hotmail
[17:01] <Henchman21> not sure but i remember a few did that and i moved to gmail cause it didnt at the time
[17:02] <Caver> *sniggers*
[17:02] <Henchman21> but now gmail is just as bad reading my email and displaying ads on my next search
[17:02] <Caver> well realistically ... what do you expect for free?
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ just pop3 your gmail then
[17:02] <Henchman21> sent my dad a joke about a dead hooker and got dead hoooker ads on adsense
[17:02] <Caver> ahahaha
[17:03] <Caver> have you tried logging in to the new google dashboard to see what they think your interests are?
[17:03] <Henchman21> nope
[17:03] <Henchman21> i think i might just close all my accounts and host my own mail server
[17:04] <Henchman21> i hear googles new privacy policy is bad
[17:04] <traeak> i hate how google junked up their site
[17:04] <Henchman21> the searches arent that great anymore either
[17:05] <Hopsy> Caver: it is not a big issue
[17:05] <Henchman21> if it couldnt find something it used to give you a zero results page, now i get online drug sites
[17:05] <Hopsy> drivers cant be found
[17:05] <Henchman21> and hundreds of pointless hits
[17:05] <Hopsy> all the warnings are driver not installed error
[17:05] <Henchman21> install the driver then
[17:06] <Hopsy> I am working on
[17:06] <Henchman21> modprobe sata
[17:06] <Henchman21> XD
[17:06] <Hopsy> http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.asp?Model=Z68%20Extreme4&o=Win764 witch one? :O
[17:06] <Hopsy> do I need
[17:06] <Hopsy> haha
[17:06] <Hopsy> I only have lan installed
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> NEW SHINY!!!!
[17:07] <IT_Sean> A brand spanking new VMWARE server just arrived @ werk
[17:07] <feep> witch one, this is witch base
[17:07] <feep> please come in
[17:07] <Caver> ooooh
[17:07] <Henchman21> cant windows update/driver search find the right one for you
[17:07] <Caver> ESX one?
[17:07] <IT_Sean> hmm?
[17:07] <Henchman21> i have no idea your hardware speciffics so i wont comment on drivers and i hate windows
[17:07] <Caver> your new vmware boxen
[17:08] <Hopsy> come on windows isnt soo bad :p
[17:08] <Hopsy> @ Henchman21
[17:08] <Henchman21> we havent had windows in this house in almost 10 years
[17:09] <Henchman21> i have TSA standing at my door to make sure it stays that way
[17:09] <Hopsy> 'cus you are living alone?
[17:09] <haltdef> medal
[17:09] <Henchman21> they have orders to confiscate offensive windows applications
[17:10] <Hopsy> what is TSA?
[17:10] <Henchman21> the guys that grope you at US airport terminals
[17:10] <feep> transport safety authority
[17:10] <feep> afaik
[17:10] <feep> oh no
[17:10] <feep> wp says transportation security administration
[17:10] <feep> close :D
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[17:11] <Hopsy> sounds like excel
[17:12] <Henchman21> i also have a cool hosts file on my openwrt router to redirect common ad sites bookface/bing/windows etc to
[17:13] <Henchman21> its funny when my brothers come to town with their ipads and cant figure out why their fav trendy site is inaccessible
[17:14] <Hopsy> so, you are not even an hotmail fan :(
[17:14] <Henchman21> hm maybe i should redirect them to a pr0n site
[17:15] <Henchman21> heh
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[17:15] <Henchman21> verizon too they're on my banlist aswell
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[17:18] <smw> feep, oh god. The TSA knows I plan to use the RP as a bomb detonator!
[17:21] <feep> oh noo!
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[17:26] <DaQatz> What kind of detonator would need that much cpu?
[17:26] <mchou> DaQatz: it's ceaper than a cell phone
[17:26] <mchou> cheaper*
[17:26] <DaQatz> But the R-pi has no rtc.
[17:27] <mchou> DaQatz: plenty of cell phones get used
[17:27] <Henchman21> logic bomb
[17:27] <mchou> BANG!
[17:28] <mchou> DaQatz: it's not hard to solder on an RTC
[17:28] <DaQatz> Bah to lazy for that.
[17:28] <Henchman21> yeah that sucks about the RTC
[17:29] <Caver> I thought it was a it doesn't really have an off mode
[17:29] <Caver> there is a RTC, but no battery backing
[17:29] <mchou> there you go
[17:29] <DaQatz> Really? That's not what the devs said.
[17:30] <mchou> even beeter :)
[17:32] <mchou> crap would really hit the fan if someone in the real world used RP as detonator
[17:32] <Caver> lol well hopefully not
[17:32] <mchou> make DRM look tame
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[17:33] <Henchman21> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog
[17:35] <Henchman21> funny but also extremely disturbing
[17:35] <Hopsy> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/407268_2703910605494_1488619798_32332993_53837791_n.jpg
[17:35] <mchou> Hopsy: the gift that keeps on giving?
[17:37] <Hopsy> hehe its against the physics rules I know
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[18:24] <travalas> I seem to recall a git repo with schematics of the raspberry pi, does anybody know where that is or am i just crazy
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[18:26] <haltdef> only git repo I've seen is for the modified kernel sources
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[18:40] <travalas> has anybody see it?
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[18:53] <IT_Sean> Is it out yet?
[18:53] * PiBot slaps IT_Sean across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:53] <IT_Sean> orf!
[18:53] <IT_Sean> that hurt!
[18:53] <traeak> !w
[18:53] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Feb 2 11:53:00 2012. Temp 4??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 32%, Later 4??C - -5??C. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[18:53] <IT_Sean> !w
[18:53] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Thu Feb 2 20:53:00 2012. Temp 42??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 62%, Later 47??F - 23??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:54] <traeak> everyone loves reboots
[18:54] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:54] <traeak> i guess once every 3 months or so is acceptable
[18:54] <traeak> i updated and lost the ability to play videos
[18:54] <IT_Sean> I once made it nearly en entire year without rebooting.
[18:55] <IT_Sean> accidentally triggered a software update (and subsequent reboot) on day 359
[18:57] <weuxel> http://smash-net.org/bilder/uptime.jpg
[18:58] <IT_Sean> can't click
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[19:04] <IT_Sean> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand lovely... my desktop just BSOD'd
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[19:40] <OneFix_Work> Is anyone working on porting Android to the Raspberry Pi? Which brings about the question, what would it cost to put one in a laptop case???
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> To do it 'right' gets expensive fast.
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> In essentially no circumstances is it going to be cheaper than buying a cheap arm netbook from china.
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> A much faster netbook.
[19:41] <rm> there are no cheap ARM netbooks that would be faster than rPi
[19:41] <rm> at the moment
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> Call it $30 for LCD interface, $10 for keyboard interface, $20 for charger, $15 for power converter, ...
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> IT's a 500MHz singlecore.
[19:43] <OneFix_Work> Maybe, but a case built around the rPi would be upgradeable :)
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> The above assumes also that you have a clue, and know how to search otht he parts.
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> There is no simple kit for this
[19:45] <OneFix_Work> I know you can buy one of those little 7 inch netbooks at Rite-Aid (US Pharmacy) for ~$79
[19:46] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Yea, the biggest problem is going to be putting together everything with a case, keyboard, and battery...
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-lcd-android-2-2-umpc-netbook-w-camera-wi-fi-wm8650-800mhz-4gb-rj45-sd-102067
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> I was assuming you were meaning to reuse an existing laptop case
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> If you want to make a fresh one from scratch, it gets _much_ nastier.
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[19:47] <MystX> Is it out
[19:47] <IT_Sean> NO!
[19:47] <OneFix_Work> MystX: It? No...
[19:47] <OneFix_Work> MystX: They are saying ~3-4 weeks
[19:49] <Henchman21> http://www.raspbmc.com/
[19:49] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11504_div/11504_div.HTML
[19:49] <OneFix_Work> Here's the laptop I was referring to http://www.craigelectronics.com/site/pdetails.php?id=314
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I got mine!
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> BRB - making custard to go with the pi.
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> Lovely pastry, and home-grown raspberries.
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone have any other raspberry recipies?
[19:50] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: So it llooks like it will probably have 1GB ram and 2 gigabit NICs =D
[19:50] <tntexplosivesltd> and 2xPCI-X
[19:50] <tntexplosivesltd> so, server replacement
[19:50] <kinda_le3t> OneFix_Work: where'd you read that it'll take 3-4 weeks?
[19:50] <rm> SpeedEvil, WM8650 is not faster than R Pi
[19:51] <tntexplosivesltd> and server can get your old hardware
[19:51] <rm> even if the ARM performance might be comparable or a bit faster, it's in no way got the same 3D and video core
[19:51] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: That has been the time frame that they have been giving everyone.
[19:52] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: And if you ask them next week, they'll probably tell you 3-4 weeks again :)
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> rm: Speed is debatable.
[19:52] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: And if you ask them next week, they'll probably tell you 3-4 weeks again
[19:52] <kinda_le3t> raspberrypi.org says they started around Jan 10 - and they'd be finished
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> rm: Much won't use the 3d at all
[19:52] <kinda_le3t> like end of jan
[19:52] <kinda_le3t> OneFix_Work: yea... that's what i'm expecting
[19:53] <kinda_le3t> OneFix_Work: I'm actually thinking it's not going to be an immediately appealing board, but its concept is so nice
[19:53] <kinda_le3t> er... the promises are nice
[19:53] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: No, this will be slower than the server
[19:53] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: I actually expect them to announce about a week prior to availability that they will be available for sale at a specific time and date.
[19:53] <MystX> And cant house 4 sata drives
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> really? Slower?
[19:53] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, that too
[19:54] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: Actually, I expect the first batch of boards will sell out pretty soon
[19:54] <piofcube> The most annoying thing about installing XP is the number of times you have to tell it that you don't live in the USA... Then, after it is installed you still have to tell it not to use USA time-zones...
[19:54] <MystX> Slower FSB, 2x3.06 rather than 2x3.4
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[19:54] <MystX> And slower ram
[19:54] <kinda_le3t> OneFix_Work: I think they'll sell out and be kinda a let down... buggy orsomething
[19:54] <traeak> yuk server machines...uninteresting beasts
[19:54] <MystX> traeak: better than no machines
[19:54] <tntexplosivesltd> and free
[19:55] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: Nah, they will be testing them
[19:55] <traeak> MystX: i guess. they just burn out too easily, etc
[19:55] <MystX> =\
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[19:55] <tntexplosivesltd> burn out...?
[19:56] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: also it comes with 7 40mm fans XD
[19:56] <tntexplosivesltd> LOUD =D
[19:56] <MystX> very
[19:57] <MystX> Oh man. Thought i had a meeting. then i didnt
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> it's fine, I have some gear next to me with 60mm fans going all day >.>
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> one of those eclipse removable fan units
[19:58] <tntexplosivesltd> wait it's 40mm
[19:59] <relaxed> man sed
[19:59] <relaxed> sorry :/
[19:59] <traeak> yuk 40mm fans
[19:59] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, well, can't use anything bigger =(
[20:01] <MystX> http://hackaday.com/2012/02/02/kinect-for-windows-released/
[20:03] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: fuck, 16kg
[20:05] <traeak> tntexplosivesltd: by burn out i mean if AC or something fails int he server room these aregoners
[20:05] <tntexplosivesltd> ah lol
[20:05] <traeak> tntexplosivesltd: and i've never seen that ever happen b4 :-p
[20:05] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:05] <tntexplosivesltd> well we have no ac >.>
[20:05] <feep> aragorners
[20:05] <tntexplosivesltd> but we only have one
[20:05] <feep> king of gonedor
[20:05] <feep> :is shot:
[20:08] <traeak> wow cleaning out one's home directory after 6 years is intertaining
[20:09] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
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[20:11] <MystX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TDbrX5U75dk
[20:11] <MystX> ^M$'s dig at gmail
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[20:30] <OneFix_Work> kinda_le3t: And there's little to go wrong with the board, as the board is mostly a single chip ... and the chip has already been used in other applications (like the Roku 2)
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[20:32] <Thorn_> is it out yet
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[20:34] <OneFix_Work> BTW, does noone see the irony in MICROSOFT claiming that we can't trust Google?
[20:35] <Thorn_> not really
[20:36] <OneFix_Work> Thorn_: The company that gave us "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run?"
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[20:37] <OneFix_Work> Thorn_: There have also been more recent problems, like IE7 deliberately disabling Yahoo and Google toolbars
[20:38] <OneFix_Work> Thorn_: And let's not talk about Microsoft back-stabbing IBM with OS/2
[20:39] <MystX> And lets not talk about how they've never made anything that works
[20:40] <OneFix_Work> MystX: I think it's bad form to sell a product by pointing out how bad the other guy's product is...
[20:40] <OneFix_Work> MystX: Shouldn't they be saying "Our product is better because ..."
[20:40] <tntexplosivesltd> "You think this is bad? Look at this retard's one?"
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> OneFix_Work: also what?
[20:41] <MystX> OneFix_Work: So, you dont like apple then huh?
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> who's selling something?
[20:41] <mrdragons> And then what do you do on the off chance they make something awesome?
[20:41] <tntexplosivesltd> you lie
[20:42] <OneFix_Work> MystX: Actually, not really...
[20:42] <mrdragons> Ah, the classic white lie. Lies never hurt anyone.
[20:43] <mrdragons> Except for a bunch of people
[20:43] <MystX> Mfw everyone cares about steve jobs and not dennis richie
[20:43] <mrdragons> I care. ;_;
[20:43] <OneFix_Work> MystX: The point is that showing me just how bad GMail is doesn't tell me how good Office 365 is...
[20:43] <MystX> Good.
[20:44] <MystX> OneFix_Work: the 3-6-5 is reffering to the amount of days in a year you would use it
[20:45] <OneFix_Work> MystX: So, what about leap years?
[20:45] <MystX> You skip a deay on leap years, apparently
[20:45] <MystX> I dont know i dont work for M$
[20:45] <OneFix_Work> MystX: Office 365 is just a re-branded Windows Live
[20:46] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: well, at least our server has a CD drive.
[20:46] <tntexplosivesltd> and floppy =D
[20:46] <MystX> Oh. I stand corrected
[20:46] <MystX> never heard of it before
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[20:47] <MystX> Right, so its hosted email etc
[20:47] <MystX> Just.. like.. gmail..
[20:47] <mrdragons> You could store literally thousands of kilobytes on a floppy!
[20:47] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[20:47] <tntexplosivesltd> or make music
[20:47] <mrdragons> Troo
[20:47] <MystX> Also, it says Office 365's email has lots of security and filters etc
[20:48] <mrdragons> true*
[20:48] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[20:48] <MystX> Id REALLY like to know how they do that without searching emails for keywords
[20:48] <MystX> Y'know, the thing they blamed gmail for doing?
[20:48] <MystX> Yeah, that exact thing.
[20:48] <OneFix_Work> MystX: One thing about the Office 365 TOS is they limit the number of recipients you can contact in a given day
[20:48] <MystX> =|
[20:48] <mrdragons> wtf
[20:49] <OneFix_Work> MystX: So, doesn't that mean that they are at least tracking something
[20:51] <OneFix_Work> Specifically, Office 365 customers are limited to 500 recipients per day
[20:51] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Which is sorta-sane for manual one-off emails
[20:52] <tntexplosivesltd> loool DNF is $5 on steam
[20:52] <MystX> I just cant take anything M$ does seriously nowadays
[20:52] <mrdragons> I don't think even they can
[20:53] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Yea, but companies certainly might have a reason to contact more than 500 recipients in a day
[20:53] <mrdragons> Naaaahhhh
[20:53] <MystX> Like when bill gates when to the head of sun microsystems and was like "Hey, you know how you made an office suite? Yeah we have one of those. We're suing you."
[20:53] <mrdragons> Microsoft knows what's best for everyone
[20:53] <OneFix_Work> MystX: More importantly, I can't believe anything they tell me
[20:53] <mrdragons> If you have to talk to more than 500 people, you're probably communist or something
[20:53] <tntexplosivesltd> that wasn't bill gates ._.
[20:53] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[20:54] <MystX> It wasn't? Meh same thing
[20:54] <OneFix_Work> Office 365 is really Microsoft's attempt to move Office to a subscription model...that's all it is
[20:54] <tntexplosivesltd> he left M$ ages ago, didn't he?
[20:54] <mrdragons> Yeah
[20:54] <MystX> Yeah, this was ages ago
[20:54] <MystX> Openoffice has been around for a loooong time
[20:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I know
[20:54] <OneFix_Work> The sad thing is that 99% of what most people want to do can still be done with Office 97
[20:55] <mrdragons> I just wish they would update OO on the school computers here
[20:55] <mrdragons> It's been the same installation since 5th grade
[20:55] <mrdragons> And probably earlier
[20:55] <OneFix_Work> A product that's over a decade old...
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: office 97?
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: Word 1
[20:55] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: The next version of Libre Office is gonna include automatic updates
[20:55] <MystX> Also, then sun was like "Oh thats cool. You know how you have that web-oriented JIT compiled application suite? Yeah we have one of those, we're suing YOU"
[20:55] <MystX> and M$ was like "touche"
[20:56] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: True, but Office 97 is like the oldest that will still run on most Windows machines
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:56] <mrdragons> OneFix_Work: Oh cool, that'll be a nice point to add when trying to convince the incompetant tech board to update/switch
[20:56] <MystX> Hurrah
[20:57] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: Libre Office 3.5 also includes support for Microsoft Works documents...
[20:57] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: Which actually means that Libre Office is more compatible with Microsoft's own products that their own products are
[20:57] <mrdragons> HAh
[20:58] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: Specifically because Microsoft makes absolutely certain that Works and Office can't import/export in compatible formats...
[20:58] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: Because if most people could import/export Office documents in Works, they wouldn't buy Office
[20:59] <MystX> Yeah... As much as i hate java, openoffice is pretty great
[20:59] <mrdragons> Yay for closed source software
[20:59] <traeak> you can block java install and still run OO
[20:59] <OneFix_Work> MystX: Again, OO.o is dead, LibreOffice is the new community project
[21:00] <MystX> Yeah I know.. Habit
[21:00] <traeak> well yeah libre (libre sort of the same as oo)
[21:00] <traeak> call it staroffice :-p
[21:00] <piofcube> I've had OO run without Java... it complains but for what I used it for, I didn't come across any feature I couldn't use.
[21:00] <MystX> Orly
[21:00] <MystX> I have java on my PCs anyway so not really a problem
[21:00] <mrdragons> I wonder if I could run libreoffice completely of USB
[21:00] <MystX> (minecraft)
[21:01] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Not really, StarOffice is a closed fork of OO.o and LibreOffice is an open fork of OO.o at their last public release
[21:01] <MystX> Yuuuus new goingQuantum podcast =D
[21:01] <traeak> oo forked off star office technically
[21:01] <MystX> Im set for the next 35 minutes
[21:01] <traeak> somethi8gn liek that
[21:01] <traeak> to me it's all irrelevant since the best way to present stuff is thorugh web tools
[21:01] <OneFix_Work> mrdragons: There is a portable version of LibreOffice
[21:01] <traeak> although those are lacking
[21:01] <traeak> btw, which wiki for simple presentation with section edits is good ?
[21:02] <MystX> Woah, netframe is BROKEN
[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[21:03] <OneFix_Work> LibreOffice 3.5 -> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: how?
[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> Pic won't load?
[21:03] <MystX> Oh, nope
[21:03] <OneFix_Work> LibreOffice Portable -> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/
[21:03] <MystX> FF just decided that it didnt like loading stylesheets
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[21:04] <mrdragons> OneFix_Work: Awesome, thanks. ^_^
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[21:18] -mrmist- [Global Notice] - It's a happy birthday to our favourite gay staffer Gary today. In celebration do stop by and read http://announce.freenode.net/turing.html and remember to drop Gary a happy birthday message!
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[21:41] <ukscone> http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/2766504/peek-hackers
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[21:58] <MystX> ukscone: =O emailing him?
[22:00] <ukscone> MystX: maybe -- i did look at the peek for use at the time also the linux effort but didn't have the real need or time to do anything
[22:00] <ukscone> but be fun to mess with
[22:01] <ukscone> and now i know more about things like uclinux and buildroot and arm
[22:02] <MystX> Hmm. Im thinking of what i can say to convince them to offer me one
[22:04] <ukscone> hmmmm threats or pleading maybe?
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[22:04] <SpeedEvil> cash
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> read the link
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.peek.ly/blog/
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> though I'm not sure how one would email a prepaid shipping label good to the UK
[22:07] <MystX> Or to NZ =\
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[22:13] <ukscone> just email asking if i could just pick one up as i am only aboy 7 miles away or 60minutes on the subway
[22:18] <MystX> really?
[22:18] <MystX> Im trying to sort out a UPS ticket =\
[22:18] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[22:18] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[22:23] * SpeedEvil asks 'Is it out yet?' while grabbing for the nice cast-iron pan. Free cookware!
[22:25] <MystX> God damn why is it so hard to prepay shipping
[22:26] <MystX> Why is everything to do with UPS so hard?
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[22:33] * Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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[22:38] <jmontleon> will the bot still slap people once it's out?
[22:38] <DaQatz> No
[22:39] <MystX> aww
[22:40] <MystX> ukscone: can you get me one?
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[22:54] <ukscone> MystX: can't even get myself one yet :( usps doesn't like the billing address on my amex giftcard. have to see if i get anything other than a form reply to the 2nd email i sent
[22:55] <MystX> Sadface
[22:56] <ukscone> i'll run up to the post offic tomorrow and see if i can get one from there paidfor that i can d/l
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[23:12] <MystX> ukscone: right. Let me know what happens
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