#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-03

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[0:41] <Tachyon`> Z2s in the UK if anyone wants will work out at about 12 quid + postage at cost from York to wherever you happen to be
[0:41] <Tachyon`> I'll be ordering wednesday so contact me before then if you want
[0:42] <hamitron> Z2?
[0:42] <Tachyon`> zipit wireless 2 - hackable handheld linux computer, there was talk of them yesterday
[0:42] <hamitron> or Z2s?
[0:42] <piofcube> That's the old Zuse right?
[0:42] <Tachyon`> they're being sold off cheap (in america)
[0:42] <traeak> where ?
[0:42] <Tachyon`> no, it's the zipit wireless 2
[0:43] <Tachyon`> google it, lol
[0:43] <piofcube> I was going to say... LOL...
[0:43] <traeak> hmm..did someting change with zipit availability in the last 2 moths?
[0:43] <piofcube> The Zuse 2 was made around the 40s ;-)
[0:43] <Tachyon`>
[0:43] <Tachyon`> there's one running an old game
[0:44] <traeak> because a zipit for $50 is NOT a deal
[0:44] <traeak> nor is $35
[0:44] <traeak> i know they were selling for 15USD or so
[0:44] <traeak> i dont' know where to find those now
[0:45] <Tachyon`> if you're not interested, don't get any, heh, I'mnot twisting anyones arms, nor am I going to waste my time arguing it, there were issues with postage here, which I'm offering to reduce by buying in large numbers, nothing more or less
[0:45] <piofcube> They look nice :-)
[0:45] <hamitron> what sort of spec are they?
[0:45] <Tachyon`> one sec, I'll find the technical details
[0:45] <Tachyon`> it's quite limited but still, for the money
[0:46] <Tachyon`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_wireless_messenger_(Z2)
[0:46] <hamitron> well, I tend to be someone who likes very low spec stuff
[0:46] <hamitron> :)
[0:46] <traeak> its a jzprocessor
[0:46] <traeak> that i can google, finding the price i want...well that seems to be a problem
[0:46] <piofcube> MyTunez and MyPhotoz LMAO
[0:47] <Tachyon`> you kinda ignore the built in apps (it was aimed at teenagers as an IM device)
[0:47] <Tachyon`> and boot real debian etc. on it
[0:47] <hamitron> how much is postage?
[0:47] <hamitron> and is it just the device?
[0:47] <Tachyon`> are you in teh UK?
[0:47] <hamitron> East Yorkshire
[0:47] <hamitron> yeh
[0:47] <mrdragons> Can it run crysis?
[0:48] <hamitron> haha
[0:48] <piofcube> 12 quid seems more than reasonable considering the prices elsewhere.
[0:48] <Tachyon`> well, depends if you want all the packaging, 12 quid for unit and postage here + what it costs me to put it in a jiffy bag and put stamps on it
[0:48] <piofcube> mrdragons: You can but on lowest settings
[0:48] <mrdragons> Aw. :\
[0:49] <piofcube> Maybe with physx switched on ;-)
[0:49] <hamitron> is it just the device, or is there anything like charger with it?
[0:49] <Tachyon`> so probably about 90p + the stamps, lol, will be done at cost
[0:49] <Tachyon`> I assume there is a charger but whether it works on 230v is anyones guess
[0:49] <Tachyon`> if it does, you'll need a shaver plug to plug it in
[0:49] <Tachyon`> due to the american nature of it
[0:49] <hamitron> I'd be interested
[0:50] <Tachyon`> I'm getting 16 for myself, think they can be used as displays/input devices for my rpi cluster nodes
[0:50] <piofcube> Looks like a standard barrel DC supply
[0:50] <Tachyon`> the main limiting factor is teh 32MB of RAM
[0:50] <hamitron> 32MB ram is fine
[0:50] <Tachyon`> but for console apps, it'll do fine
[0:50] <hamitron> :)
[0:50] <hamitron> yeh
[0:51] <traeak> yeah 32mb definitley makes this an appliance
[0:51] <hamitron> !reserve
[0:51] <hamitron> ;/
[0:51] <piofcube> Portable SSH client or IRC... I wonder if the gameboy screen enlarger would work on it? ;-)
[0:51] <hamitron> erm, as in reserve, not "not reserve"
[0:51] <Tachyon`> lol
[0:53] <hamitron> Tachyon`, so do you need my details now?
[0:53] <Tachyon`> before wednesday, email them to hideki.adam@gmail.com with ZIPIT in the subject line ideally then I won't lose them
[0:54] <hamitron> you'll accept paypal or bitcoin?
[0:54] <Tachyon`> paypal, I don't use bitcoin for anything yet
[0:54] <hamitron> ok :)
[0:55] <Tachyon`> I'm hoping they'll be useful as a slave device for the rpi, baer in mind they have no USB but they do have internally TTL serial
[0:56] <Tachyon`> they weren't designed to be expanded at all
[0:56] <hamitron> oh, ofc
[0:56] <hamitron> just a nice toy anyway
[0:56] <hamitron> :)
[0:56] <Tachyon`> if they can be linked to the rpi as a console they'll be useful int aht sense, cheap keybaord/display for them
[0:57] <Tachyon`> not sure if the pi has ttl serial but I'd assume it does
[0:57] <piofcube> hunterdavis.com has lots of Z2 hacking tuts
[0:57] <hamitron> it has USB host, so can have serial
[0:58] <hamitron> but probably a cleaner way
[0:58] <ukscone> piofcube: yes someone did a nintendo screen mag mod and it was sweet
[0:58] <piofcube> Monkey island on it also :-)
[1:00] <ukscone> piofcube: most of hunter's posts are depricated wrt rootfs install instructions and can actually be detrimental to your zipit if you use them as they are so old so check mozzwald.com for the latest info and rootfs unless you want openwrt in which case google projectgus openwrt zipit
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[1:00] <Tachyon`> oh, scummvm, nice
[1:01] <piofcube> ukscone: Ah... good tip :-)
[1:01] <Tachyon`> I've not even looked to see what people have done with it as yet, lol
[1:01] <Tachyon`> it boots debian, that's all I need to know, if nobody has done so already I might knock up a kernel with a 4x8 cleartype font so it does 80x25 console
[1:01] <hamitron> Tachyon`, you should have my mail
[1:02] <Tachyon`> ah yes, got it
[1:02] <Tachyon`> I had some success with subpixel rendered fonts on the DS, managed to get 80 columns ot of a 256x192 screen fairly readably
[1:03] <piofcube> I just wish I hadn't promised my wife I would stick to my hardware budget from now on LMAO
[1:03] <Tachyon`> so 320x240 should be a breeze
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[1:07] <Tachyon`> lol
[1:07] <Thorn_> 80 columns out of 256?
[1:07] <Thorn_> that's like 3 pixels a character !
[1:07] <Tachyon`> yup, using subpixel rendering it is 9 pixels/character!
[1:07] <hamitron> anyways
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[1:07] <tntexplosivesltd> woah
[1:07] <hamitron> off to bed
[1:07] <Tachyon`> so used an 8x8 font and adjusted it to avoid a blue
[1:07] <hamitron> :)
[1:07] <hamitron> o/
[1:07] <Tachyon`> since the blue ones are hard to see
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[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> subpixel = only using 1 colour from a pixel?
[1:08] <Tachyon`> using 4 as on the Z2, I'd use a pixel doubled 6x8 font to make the requried 12x8
[1:08] <Tachyon`> yes
[1:08] <tntexplosivesltd> that's awesome
[1:08] <Tachyon`> it's how microsoft cleartype rendering works
[1:09] <Tachyon`> you have to watch for BGR/RGB ordering but otherwise it works quite well
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[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty cool
[1:11] <Tachyon`> unfortunately to get it to work in linux is going to require some hacking at the fb console I suspect so might not be done quickly, lol
[1:12] <Tachyon`> unless someone has added it since I last looked which is entirely possible
[1:13] <Tachyon`> there's been a 4x6 fb font in the kernel for some time which would also give 80 columns but it's not what I'd call pleasing to the eye
[1:13] <Tachyon`> 3x5 glyphs in the main
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[1:15] <Computer> would you condone using one of these as the heart beat server for a high avaialability server cluster
[1:16] <tntexplosivesltd> HELLO
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> HELLO COMPUTER
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> HELLO!!!!!
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> >:-(
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> HELLO
[1:17] <Tachyon`> the caps -.-
[1:17] <mrdragons> ping computer
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> Tachyon`: it's shouting
[1:17] <Tachyon`> it is not 1981 and we are not using early sinclair/apple machines
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> anyone get the reference?
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> no...?
[1:17] <Tachyon`> music,aye
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> fne then
[1:17] <Tachyon`> I remember that appearing when I was a kid
[1:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * fine
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> (IT Crowd)
[1:18] <koaschten> is it out yet?
[1:18] * PiBot slaps koaschten across the face with a cast iron pan.
[1:18] <Tachyon`> oh, actually, no, it's 1997
[1:18] <Tachyon`> I thought it was the 80s
[1:18] <Tachyon`> never mind
[1:18] <koaschten> thanks, now i can make scrambled eggs PiBot
[1:18] <Tachyon`> mind playing tricks on me
[1:18] <Tachyon`> oh right, not the radiohead album
[1:18] <Computer> tntexplosivesltd: have you seen the german version
[1:18] <Tachyon`> the speech recognising computer
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> Computer: nope
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> don't want to
[1:18] <Computer> its pretty bad
[1:18] <tntexplosivesltd> the boys at the mouse >.>
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> sounds dodgy
[1:19] <Tachyon`> lol, perhaps it's just not a team player
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> Das iTeam
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> Tachyon`: =D
[1:20] <Tachyon`> I think my favourite eps are 1x02 (soldering iron police etc.) and the street countdown one (4xsomething, I forget)
[1:20] <Tachyon`> not many pearls amongst the oyster guts in that series though -.-
[1:20] <Tachyon`> I prefer TBBT really
[1:21] <Tachyon`> the cannibal one was quite notable for the spoof piracy video
[1:21] <Tachyon`> half expect to see the americans steal and use it
[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> TBBT?
[1:21] <Tachyon`> the big bang theory
[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> ah yeah lol
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> season 4 of the IT crowd is pretty good
[1:22] <Tachyon`> aye, as was season 1
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[1:22] <Tachyon`> 2 and 3 were a bit disappointing though
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[1:22] <Tachyon`> nothign really much jumped out at me
[1:22] <Tachyon`> you ever seen brass eye?
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[1:23] <Tachyon`> spoof documentary series that almost triggered a tabloid apocalypse
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> oreally?
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> what'd they do>
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> * ?
[1:23] <Tachyon`> it's by Graham Linehan who created the IT crowd
[1:24] <Tachyon`> oh, they did a p?dophilia special which the sun thought was real rather than satire
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahaaaaaahahahah
[1:24] <Tachyon`> next day they had a front page with him reading "Is this the most hated man in britain" or something
[1:25] <Tachyon`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye
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[1:47] <MystX> Dammit this shouldnt be this hard
[1:48] <MystX> I want an icon to come up in the corner of an element when i mouseover said element in html
[1:48] <MystX> Which works, but when i mouseover the icon, all hell breaks loose
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[1:53] <MystX> Google seems to think the answer to everything is jquery
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[2:09] <Computer> i thought it was
[2:10] <MystX> noooo
[2:10] <Computer> actually im pretty sure the answer to all questions would be "piss"
[2:11] <mrdragons> < bear grills> !g what should I have to drink?
[2:12] <MystX> Na the answer to that is 'your own piss'
[2:12] <Computer> i hate that guy it was funny to talk about piss before i ever knew about him
[2:12] <Computer> it was way funnier when it was random
[2:13] <mrdragons> You talked about piss before he made it mainstream
[2:14] <Computer> maybe
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[2:38] <DaQatz> !channel
[2:38] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots
[2:38] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-bots
[2:38] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-bots - Raspberry PI room for bots and testing.
[2:39] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[2:39] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[2:40] <The_Ball> why is there a bots channel? for bots running on raspberry pis or this channels bots?
[2:41] <koaschten> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YQIMGV5vtd4
[2:41] <The_Ball> yeah that's been making its rounds, pretty awesome
[2:42] <DaQatz> The bots channel is for testing, and for bots that would spam the channel too much.
[2:43] <DaQatz> Example someone had a twitter bot in there. Havn't seen it for a few days though.
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[2:49] <victhor> I wonder if it's a poor choice to use a 1 turn trim pot for a current preset on a battery charger.
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[2:53] <SpeedEvil> victhor: As long as it's setup so that if the wiper disconnects, it goes off, OK.
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> koaschten: now we just need it decentralised
[2:58] <victhor> np, I have a series resistor to limit the lower end of the range. I thought of using the 1 turn ones, because it's rather intuitive to draw lines with a sharpie on the pot face to mark settings for different battery times, so I don't have to get a ohmmeter or a ammeter on the battery terminal to adjust the pot.
[2:58] <victhor> different battery types*
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> Anyone know a really cheap source of RGB+white LEDs?
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> wait
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> rgb + white?
[3:00] <tntexplosivesltd> so 4 dies?
[3:01] <tntexplosivesltd> or are you after just rgb?
[3:02] <victhor> can't you get white by turning on the R, G and B channels instead?
[3:04] <RITRedbeard> RGB
[3:04] <RITRedbeard> white can be simulated with proper pwm sig
[3:04] <mchou> RITRedbeard: what's your definition of cheap?
[3:05] <RITRedbeard> ehhh
[3:05] <RITRedbeard> less than 0.50$ USD or equal to?
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: yeah, that's why I was asking XD
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> thought you had gone bonkers
[3:11] <RITRedbeard> I've been thinking of making a LED display
[3:11] <mchou> RITRedbeard: are you in US?
[3:11] <RITRedbeard> but if you used all LEDs it would be expensive
[3:11] <RITRedbeard> so you need to use polarization tricks
[3:11] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
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[3:12] <mchou> RITRedbeard: what's the best price you found so far?
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> Expensive.
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[3:12] <RITRedbeard> Very expensive.
[3:12] <mrdragons> How expensive?
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> I dunno, a little less than what Sparkfun was selling them for
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> and these were SMD RGB LEDs
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> in the various SMD sizes
[3:14] <mchou> I get get them at 0.40 but only in qty 4000
[3:14] <tntexplosivesltd> ypu want SMD?
[3:14] <tntexplosivesltd> * you
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> SMD would be nice
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> $0.40
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> USD?
[3:16] <mchou> RITRedbeard: so I think your 0.50 is a bit unrealistic unless your are ready to purchase in bulk
[3:16] <mchou> RITRedbeard: yup 0.40
[3:16] <mchou> USD
[3:16] <RITRedbeard> I would need 1,296,000 LEDs
[3:17] <mchou> RITRedbeard: heh
[3:17] <mchou> them you can get even better deal
[3:17] <mchou> should have told me earlier
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> I need to take a course in photonics and study optics
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> there has to be a way to use polarization without needing an LED for every pixel.
[3:18] <mchou> RITRedbeard: what kind of display you building?
[3:18] <slaeshjag> RITRedbeard: There is!
[3:18] <slaeshjag> RITRedbeard: The technology is called LCD
[3:18] <mchou> indeed
[3:19] <mchou> but LCD don't emit light
[3:19] * RITRedbeard nods.
[3:19] <mchou> they rely on a backlight
[3:20] <slaeshjag> indeed, but if you don't want a LED for every pixel... :P
[3:20] <mchou> RITRedbeard: seriously, what are you tring to build?
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure.
[3:21] <mchou> trying*
[3:21] <mchou> lol
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> It would be nice if there were a display technology that did not have backlights
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> thus did not have bezels
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> because then you could eyefinity it up/nvidia surround all day
[3:21] <slaeshjag> OLED?
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> no more damn bezels
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> why is oled supposed to be so good?
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> they don't last as long as normal diodes
[3:22] <slaeshjag> It's pretty much separate LED's per pixel
[3:23] <slaeshjag> I'm not sure exactly why, but it's a different technology than what's used in "normal" LEDs
[3:23] <mchou> RITRedbeard: you know there are such things as RGB LED backlights for lcds, right?
[3:24] <RITRedbeard> I know.
[3:24] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure why RGB backlight matters
[3:24] <RITRedbeard> but that means you still need a bezel
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[3:42] <ctyler> you need a bezel for side illumination, but you can also back-illuminate
[3:43] <ctyler> (what makes OLEDs cool is that they're printable)
[3:57] <Tachyon`> and look better and consume less power than LCD
[3:57] <Tachyon`> (well, backlit LCD)
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[6:35] <jwh1981> Wow not much going on in here
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[6:36] <Dagger2> you've only been here for four minutes...
[6:36] <Dagger2> oh for.
[6:36] <RITRedbeard> Time is on my side.
[6:38] <RITRedbeard> Just working on some auxiliary stuff while waiting for Pi.
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[7:36] <RITRedbeard> hmmmm
[7:37] <tntexplosivesltd> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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[8:20] <RITRedbeard> errr
[8:21] <RITRedbeard> anyone know where to source Samsung PM12FC001B? 128x128 262k colors?
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[8:24] <RITRedbeard> neverrrrmind
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> they're next to impossible to get unless there is overproduction
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[9:07] <ahven> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/wireless-bluetooth-rs232-ttl-transceiver-module-80711
[9:07] <ahven> perfect for a raspi
[9:07] <ahven> 3.3V :)
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[9:10] <Dagger2> or there's always things like http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866
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[9:11] <ahven> well, using usb ports is boring :P
[9:13] <mjr> well, if you really need that serial port console ;]
[9:13] <mjr> probably also draws slightly less power
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[9:14] <ahven> 8mA while connected
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[9:16] <mjr> yes, I noticed
[9:16] <mjr> though it's also slower than an usb dongle
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[9:18] <ahven> well, I would use it for pretty low bandwidth stuff anyway
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[9:21] <mjr> well, that's also pretty much presumable since it's also limited to bluetooth serial profile
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[11:05] <MystX> Is it out?
[11:07] <seekerm> if it refers to pi -> no
[11:07] <xlq> How about nao?
[11:07] <seekerm> you will be informed by mail beforehead if you are on the mailing list
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> but what about now
[11:08] <seekerm> ?
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> is it out now?
[11:09] <MystX> ukscone: still asleep? =P
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> lazy brits
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[11:09] <xlq> Nao?
[11:09] <seekerm> he has a day-job for sure :P
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> but I am on here when I'm at work
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not hard
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> is it out yet?
[11:10] * PiBot slaps tntexplosivesltd across the face with a cast iron pan.
[11:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> no and liz says there will be an announcement before it goes on sale
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> we all know
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> no-one here is serious about that
[11:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> I know but it just gets the lurkers
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[11:17] <Henchman21> liz is cute
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[11:18] <tntexplosivesltd> what do you mean...?
[11:19] <Henchman21> ???_???
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[11:33] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS1tEnfkk6M
[11:33] <Henchman21> thats for liz
[11:33] <ahven> alot of women are cute, that's a shocker :P
[11:38] <Henchman21> http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1364/femboomer.jpg
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[11:41] <ahven> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/8x-digital-tube-8x-key-8x-double-color-led-module-81873
[11:41] <ahven> pretty neat & cheap
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[11:42] <jzu> hey, that's cool!
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[11:45] <jzu> exactly what one would need for an appliance
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[11:45] <ahven> http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/browseVideos.dx/sku.81873~id.19723
[11:45] <ahven> this is a very cool demo
[11:46] <rm> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=2004+usb+lcd&_sacat=0&_odkw=2004+lcd&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
[11:46] <rm> more bang for the buck :)
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[11:47] <rm> oh, but no buttons there
[11:47] <ahven> and no leds :(
[11:49] <Hexxeh> Anyone know some known good versions for this? http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#getting_the_compiler_2
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[11:57] <jvd_> I have used this https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release1293
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[12:09] <Hexxeh> jvd_: Something that works without a separate installer would be better
[12:13] <RITRedbeard> how terrible is infrared light for the eyes?
[12:13] <RITRedbeard> lets say a very low source
[12:13] <jvd_> get the tar ball and unzipit.. it is ready to use after that
[12:13] <RITRedbeard> I cannot give you candellas
[12:13] <RITRedbeard> but equiv. to telly remote
[12:14] <Hexxeh> jvd_: Trying to submit finished changes as a patch to Chromium OS project, ideally I'd like to use something there's already an ebuild for
[12:14] <jzu> RITRedbeard: there's infrared outside
[12:15] <jzu> don't worry if the source is low-power
[12:15] <RITRedbeard> 850nm say
[12:15] <jvd_> Hexxeh: ok
[12:15] <RITRedbeard> 1.5vdc @ 50ma draw
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[12:21] <jzu> http://www.rainbowcctv.com/ir/eye_safety.html
[12:22] <jzu> infrared is not very energetic by nature
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[12:30] <xlq> "Eye safety". Designed by Apple in California.
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[12:47] <Mowi> Hello
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[12:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> lo Mowi
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[14:01] <Hexxeh> What mfloat-abi should I be using with the RPi?
[14:01] <Stskeeps> softfp, usually
[14:01] <Stskeeps> i've done a =hard port too, but thumb won't work with it
[14:02] <Hexxeh> Okay cool, same as the default for what I'm basing this on then
[14:02] <Hexxeh> Is NEON supported or should I disable that?
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[14:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> I dont think NEOn is supported
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[14:07] <Caver> it's not
[14:07] <Hexxeh> Okay
[14:07] <Hexxeh> Compiling, now to pray this boots :)
[14:12] <Henchman21> you have a raspberry?
[14:13] <haltdef> you don't? :o
[14:13] <Tachyon`> the pi has no FPU?
[14:13] <Kolin> i have 3
[14:15] <Tachyon`> hrm, still only stickers in the shop
[14:16] <Henchman21> those stickers are cool though
[14:16] <Stskeeps> Tachyon`: it has VFPv2 FPU
[14:16] <Henchman21> anything that replaces the windows logo/key is a good start
[14:16] <Tachyon`> lol
[14:17] <Henchman21> scumsoft must've paid off a lot of people to get his logo on near every keyboard made
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[14:23] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
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[14:30] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[14:30] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[14:30] <IT_Sean> No
[14:31] <IT_Sean> Thorn... Every time you ask that, it gets pushed back another month
[14:31] <Caver> lol
[14:31] <IT_Sean> We'll be lucky to get it by 2025 if you keep that up
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[14:32] <spobey> Hi.
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[14:33] <spobey> Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't the raspberrypi sort of similar to what nettops are right now
[14:33] <spobey> like, nettops can be attached to the back of ones screen
[14:33] <Caver> all except for price ...
[14:33] <spobey> and are built to be portable
[14:33] <spobey> yeah caver im just saying
[14:33] <Kolin> you can attach it to anything you want...
[14:33] <Caver> show me a nettop for ??25!
[14:33] <Kolin> but yeah the hardware is similar
[14:33] <spobey> right now, wouldnt you agree that a nettop is as close as you'll get to a raspberrypi
[14:33] <spobey> ?
[14:33] <spobey> or am i wrong
[14:34] <IT_Sean> You are wrong
[14:34] <Caver> mm I'd say in many ways a pi is closer to a android type phone
[14:34] <Thorn_> __ __ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ __ __ ___ ___ _ _ ___
[14:34] <Thorn_> \ \ / // _ \ | | | | /_\ | _ \| __| \ \ / /| _ \ / _ \ | \| | / __|
[14:34] <Thorn_> \ V /| (_) || |_| | / _ \ | /| _| \ \/\/ / | /| (_) || .` || (_ |
[14:34] <IT_Sean> ...
[14:34] <Thorn_> |_| \___/ \___/ /_/ \_\|_|_\|___| \_/\_/ |_|_\ \___/ |_|\_| \___|
[14:34] <Thorn_> i wanted pink not green :(
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Thorn... What the arse?
[14:34] <Tachyon`> not everyone uses a monospaced font
[14:35] <spobey> So
[14:35] <spobey> what can I get today that comes close to being a raspberrypi in terms of functionality and setup
[14:35] <spobey> and design
[14:35] <IT_Sean> A raspi
[14:35] <Caver> no idea ...
[14:35] <Caver> we're all fan boi's so can't think of other hardware :P
[14:36] <Caver> not ... but what a daft question!
[14:36] <Tachyon`> btw, zipit 2 machines will be available to UK people for 12 quid plus postage from York to you, will be ordering on wednesday, email hideki.adam@gmail.com with ZIPIT in the subject if you want any, I'll contact just before wednesday with final instructions for paypal etc.
[14:36] <spobey> I just need to buy something i can keep running at home
[14:36] <spobey> as a server to RDP/VCN to
[14:36] <spobey> i was thinking a nettop
[14:36] <Caver> RDP = windows usually, so nothing arm based!
[14:36] <spobey> with which i could also share internet to other devices via wifi
[14:36] <spobey> Caver oh right
[14:36] <spobey> i guess that rules out raspi
[14:36] <Caver> yup
[14:36] <Caver> at least as a server
[14:36] <spobey> It's too bad VCN stinks.
[14:37] <Caver> you can (and I do) run linux as a rdp client
[14:37] <spobey> Well, I need it as a server :P
[14:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://beagleboard.org/ is probbaly the closest thing to a Rpi
[14:39] <spobey> What's the diff?
[14:39] <victhor> I thought the bone was closest.
[14:40] <Caver> I guess a much better question, is what is it your wanting to do?
[14:41] <Caver> otherwise we can dream up all sorts of stuff for you to shoot down
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[14:45] <Caver> http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/beagle-xm/kit-dev-beagleboard-xm-omap35x/dp/1823269 ??120 ... for a very nice board ... expensive compaired to a Pi though ... but available now
[14:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> bone does not have video out
[14:46] <victhor> there is, on the expansion connector. You need to wire a expansion board to it.
[14:47] <Thorn_> which is probably another ??120
[14:47] <victhor> even then it's digital RGB, so to get DVI you need a encoder.
[14:47] <Caver> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
[14:48] <chris_99> is it out yet?
[14:48] * PiBot slaps chris_99 across the face with a cast iron pan.
[14:48] <chris_99> i guess not
[14:49] <xlq> And a faster board... http://pandaboaord.org/
[14:49] <xlq> Correction: http://pandaboard.org/
[14:49] <victhor> :)
[14:50] <Caver> page 36 showing the HDMI connectot :)
[14:50] <Caver> of the ref material
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[14:52] <Caver> BEAGLEBOARD.
[14:52] <Caver> " ... !
[14:53] <haltdef> O_o
[14:53] <Caver> sorry I should be spanked for even looking at the competition's product
[14:54] <haltdef> does it say what happens if you plug in while the board's on? :o
[14:55] <Caver> no ... but it's in red and underlined ....
[14:55] <Caver> so I'm guessing not good
[14:55] <mjr> it explodes with the power of a thousand suns
[14:56] <Caver> or at least with a puff of black smoke
[14:57] <spobey> Well. thanks for your input
[14:57] <Caver> I still remember the heart stopping moment, I powered up my GCSE electronics project, to be greeted with a funny smell and my rather expensive IR led glowing rather more visibly than I was epecting
[14:57] <spobey> see ya
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[14:57] <Caver> followed by a big bang
[14:57] <Tachyon`> lol
[14:57] <Tachyon`> PSU issue?
[14:57] <xlq> A new universe?!?!
[14:57] <mjr> and that's how the universe was formed
[14:58] <Caver> miss reading resistor codes issue!
[14:58] <Tachyon`> ahh, oops ;p
[14:58] <Tachyon`> examine with eyes, test with meter
[14:58] * Tachyon` has to, colourblind
[14:59] <Caver> ahahah ... a leason learnt the hard way?
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[14:59] <Thorn_> fully colourblind or just a few swapped oclours?
[15:00] <Caver> is this so you know which colours to type in, so he can't see it?
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[15:03] * ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone
[15:03] <Caver> hi ukscone
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[15:03] <ukscone> hi caver
[15:03] <ukscone> not really here just need to do some housekeeping
[15:03] <Caver> ok
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[15:05] <ukscone> really need to see how to drop ops after i go op
[15:05] <haltdef> whyfor
[15:06] <Caver> I wonder if you could over clock the Pi
[15:07] <haltdef> probably
[15:07] <haltdef> it's still an armv6 with 256MB ram though :P
[15:07] <chris_99> wheres the xtal on the board, i didn't notice it
[15:07] <Caver> lol oh I know
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[15:18] <xlq> ukscone: /deop ukscone ?
[15:20] <ukscone> xlq: thnx
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[15:32] <Tachyon`> that's client specific
[15:32] <Tachyon`> you should be using /mode #channel -o ukscone
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[15:36] <datagutt_> new rules and such
[15:36] <datagutt_> quite good
[15:36] <datagutt_> So people dont bring alot of annoying bots in here
[15:36] <datagutt_> :)
[15:37] * datagutt_ is now known as datagutt
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[15:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> rules we have rules
[15:54] <datagutt> Bot rules
[15:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'm not a bot I just act like it sometimes.
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[16:04] <kinda_le3t> so you know the turing test where we rate AI by how similarly it talks like a person
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> I think there's really an opposite version
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> where I think most humans really just talk like bots
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> like - if a window popped
[16:05] <IT_Sean> I thin YOU are really an opposite version.
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> and started talking memes with me
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> i'd be like oh - that's just another idiot person
[16:05] <Caver> you do wonder how many people would pass a turing test these days
[16:05] <kinda_le3t> your mom is an opposite version
[16:06] <kinda_le3t> people really just spit back when they read on reddit nowadays
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Oh. That's origional.
[16:06] <kinda_le3t> what*
[16:07] <kinda_le3t> if i had a bot just recount memes all day, people would 1) be convinced it was a person and 2) think it was a SMART person
[16:07] <kinda_le3t> because it knows some joke, that people think are inside and not popular
[16:07] <xlq> Memes. The new Oscar Wilde quotations.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> Actually... We'd lust ban that bot. I sounds incredibly annoying.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> *just
[16:07] <kinda_le3t> fine... we'll get it to talk about minecraft
[16:07] <Tobias|> You do, don't you Sean
[16:07] <kinda_le3t> whatever
[16:08] * Tobias| hides
[16:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[16:09] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Fri Feb 3 14:20:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 56%, Later 2??C - -2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's colder than than now
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[16:11] <kinda_le3t> has it snowed much in the uk?
[16:11] <kinda_le3t> !w
[16:11] <kinda_le3t> :/
[16:12] <haltdef> none yet afaik
[16:12] <haltdef> maybe scotland
[16:12] <kinda_le3t> man, what a weird season
[16:12] <haltdef> been t shirt weather all through december, only now starting to drip below 7C :P
[16:12] <Caver> it's aparently due too this weekend
[16:12] <Caver> where abouts are you haltdef ?
[16:12] <haltdef> !w dawlish
[16:12] <PiBot> haltdef: in Dawlish, Devon on Fri Feb 3 14:20:00 2012. Temp 1??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 56%, Later 2??C - -3??C. Condition: Clear.
[16:14] <Caver> very coastal
[16:14] <IT_Sean> !w
[16:14] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Fri Feb 3 17:53:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 52%, Later 43??F - 25??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:15] <kinda_le3t> northeast america has been freezing with no snow
[16:15] <kinda_le3t> but then random 50deg farenheit days
[16:15] <IT_Sean> Oooh... Up to 52! heat wave!
[16:15] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> no snow here yet though it may do saturady
[16:16] <IT_Sean> My car said 0.1c when i started it this morning (keep meaning to switch it from c to f)
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Thats cold
[16:16] <Caver> just my luck as I was planning to go away and see friends in the midlands this weekend .. looks like could easily get snowed in
[16:17] <Kolin> my car said -7c when i was going to work yesterday :(
[16:17] <IT_Sean> Ick
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[16:17] * IT_Sean has to remember how to switch to F
[16:17] * IT_Sean doesn't
[16:18] <kinda_le3t> the formula? or some button
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Some button combination
[16:18] <IT_Sean> I have to look it up every time
[16:19] <Caver> just think of it as good mental arithmetic practice ...
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[16:21] <kinda_le3t> my F -> C skills were out of control
[16:21] <kinda_le3t> probably the best in the world when I was 10
[16:22] <Caver> lol
[16:22] <Caver> kinda appropiate for someone with a "leet" nickname
[16:23] <kinda_le3t> ha
[16:24] <zgreg> the usa should switch to celsius already
[16:24] <zgreg> it's long overdue
[16:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> and metre's
[16:25] <kinda_le3t> fahrenheit made sense before computers
[16:25] <zgreg> how so?
[16:25] <kinda_le3t> the units are a little more spaced out nicely for temps we deal with regularly
[16:26] <kinda_le3t> also it's geared so that
[16:26] <zgreg> I don't think that matters, people have no problem grasping the concept of fractions
[16:26] <DaQatz> Personally I can feel the diff of 1 degree F. Since people "don't like to use the ." 1 degree C is much bigger.
[16:26] <kinda_le3t> sure
[16:27] <kinda_le3t> but measuring devices were analog back then
[16:27] <Caver> mostly a matter of what your used too I think
[16:27] <Caver> I think in degree's C and don't usually think in .1's
[16:29] <Caver> 16C is cool, anything below 10C and it's cold, over 20C is nice, over 25C is hot
[16:30] <zgreg> the exact temperature doesn't really matter that much anyway - the humidity influence a lot how you feel a certain temperature
[16:30] <kinda_le3t> zgreg: with that logic we don't need any units
[16:30] <kinda_le3t> if all that matters is qualitative impressions, then why measure anything
[16:31] <Caver> it's Britain so rains a lot, so you can assume certain levels of humidity :P
[16:31] <Caver> heat index is useful sometimes though
[16:31] <zgreg> kinda_le3t: just saying that the additional accuracy of fahrenheit is not that useful
[16:31] <kinda_le3t> *shrug*
[16:32] <kinda_le3t> i'll take either, to be honest
[16:32] <zgreg> don't twist my words, I never implied that measuring temperature is not useful at all
[16:33] <kinda_le3t> as weird as temperature is, the def for 1 amp is kinda crazy
[16:33] <IT_Sean> ...
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> This has to be one of the nerdest arguments to ever occure in here
[16:34] <Caver> yep!
[16:34] <octeris> Caver: This is the issue for me. As an America I think and feel in Fahrenheit and feets/miles/inches.
[16:34] <octeris> Caver: I have no picture in my head of how far a kilometer "feels" like. Or how hot 20C is.
[16:35] <octeris> Caver: I know how hot 90F is and I know how cold 20F is, but I have no idea the translation to metric.
[16:35] <Caver> yup
[16:35] <IT_Sean> I dont know if you can blame that on being an american. I live in the us, and i still prefer meters to feet, etc... Just makes more sense.
[16:35] <zgreg> kinda_le3t: me too, but celsius is standard pretty much all over the world, why can't we standardize this completely? it's pretty sad.
[16:35] <octeris> IT_Sean: It's how I was raised. Should I blame my American parents? :P
[16:36] <Caver> well I measure big distances in miles, and temperature in Celsius ... so am very much a cross over generation
[16:36] <IT_Sean> I use an odd mix. I think of temperature on the F scale. Small distances in meters, amd large ditencesin miles.
[16:36] <zgreg> octeris: I don't think it's hard getting used to celsius, meters, etc.
[16:36] <Caver> of course the UK Gallon isn't the same as the American Gallon
[16:36] <kinda_le3t> hah
[16:36] <kinda_le3t> Caver: HAH!
[16:36] <Caver> so your gas millage continues to confuse us
[16:36] <octeris> zgreg: I suppose that may be true but when we're talking about ~300 million people getting used it, it's probably a bigger deal.
[16:36] <zgreg> but many people are opposed to such a change apparently
[16:37] <kinda_le3t> what's the deal with fluid ounces...
[16:37] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:37] <zgreg> octeris: yeah
[16:37] <zgreg> just make metric required by law
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[16:37] <octeris> zgreg: I'm all for the change personally, just explaining why people are resistant. Most don't "feel" metric.
[16:37] <zgreg> people are going to protest though :)
[16:37] <octeris> At least why I think people are resistant.
[16:37] <kinda_le3t> well even if it was law
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Bugger 'em
[16:37] <kinda_le3t> like why bother?
[16:38] <kinda_le3t> we can convert, and it's not going to change most people's lives
[16:38] <Caver> *ahem*
[16:38] <Caver> really?!
[16:39] <kinda_le3t> someday raspberrypi will actually be discussed in this channel
[16:39] <kinda_le3t> i'm sure of it
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[16:39] <zgreg> kinda_le3t: if weather forecast used celsius, weights of products used g/kg, and so on, I think people would get used to that quickly
[16:39] <zgreg> at least most of them
[16:39] <IT_Sean> As long as we don't go FULL metric. If i have to start filling uot business trip fuel usage logs in L:100km, i will shoot someone
[16:39] <Caver> I promise to come visit you in jail
[16:39] <zgreg> I know that some people still aren't use to the euro around here, and still try to convert to dm
[16:39] <zgreg> *used
[16:39] <azalyn> kinda_le3t: maybe if it was released, people would discuss it more......... ;P
[16:40] <Caver> why would you have to fill anything in L:100Km ... thats millage, not amount of fuel filled up with/used!
[16:40] <octeris> kinda_le3t: Should we discuss raspberry pie?
[16:40] <kinda_le3t> measuring people's heights in meters always felt weird to me
[16:40] <kinda_le3t> because the difference between a tall and small person seems relatively minute
[16:40] <kinda_le3t> what's the appropriate temperature to bake a raspberry pi?
[16:40] <kinda_le3t> pie..
[16:41] <Tobias|> kinda_le3t, around 450K
[16:41] <kinda_le3t> that's 810 Rankine!
[16:42] <zgreg> I think the easiest solution is to introduce a new unit, which uses the proper temperature for baking raspberry pie as the base
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[16:42] <kinda_le3t> yea
[16:42] <zgreg> so the correct temperature obviously is 1 rasbake
[16:42] <Tobias|> People will confuse that with the actual raspberry pie base though
[16:43] <azalyn> wouldn't it be 0 ?
[16:43] <azalyn> if it's the 'base'
[16:43] <kinda_le3t> yea
[16:43] <kinda_le3t> 0 is like pot roast temp, 1 is raspberry pi
[16:43] <kinda_le3t> e
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[16:43] <kinda_le3t> and what else do we possibly need?
[16:44] <Tobias|> Now we need to come to a consensus on the appropriate temperature for baking a raspberry pi
[16:44] <azalyn> sausage.
[16:44] <Tobias|> Does this standard account for whether the acting oven is fan-forced or not?
[16:44] <kinda_le3t> the sad thing is
[16:44] <kinda_le3t> our standards will probably be off by 1
[16:44] <Tobias|> that you didn't finish your sentence
[16:44] <kinda_le3t> er .1
[16:45] <piofcube> 315 deg F? ;-)
[16:45] <azalyn> Tobias|: that could've been nice if you had been a fast enough typist to pull it off.
[16:45] <kinda_le3t> he just hesitated
[16:45] <Tobias|> I waited for him to finish his sentence
[16:45] <Tobias|> But .. it never came
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[16:46] <piofcube> or 314.14927 deg F if you prefer ;-)
[16:46] <Caver> groans
[16:46] <xlq> What's this "4927" stuff?
[16:46] <piofcube> 159** bah close enough LOL
[16:46] <xlq> ;)
[16:47] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/how-long-does-the-pi-last
[16:47] <zgreg> OP is funny
[16:47] <piofcube> That's about 140C or something like it
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[16:47] <xlq> zgreg: "Until the warranty runs out."
[16:47] <Tobias|> immediately?
[16:47] <Caver> depends how hungry you are surely?
[16:47] <piofcube> The Xbox lasts as long as the warrenty banana.. so the R-Pi.. hmm, not sure ;-)
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[16:48] <piofcube> anty**... *gets new fingers*
[16:48] <azalyn> zgreg: i think these people are just really used to electronics breaking, because of all the shitty hardware vendors out there.
[16:48] * Tobias| throws a nokia at all of them
[16:49] <zgreg> even the "shitty" hardware of today with planned obsolescence in mind usually lasts many years, if you look at PCs/notebooks/netbooks
[16:49] <azalyn> especially ones that don't have adequate cooling. it's very common to see components desolder themselves from the heat.. (like in the xbox red ring of death issue)
[16:49] <xlq> "It will last longer if it is used, and longer still if it is never switched off." Why's that?
[16:50] <piofcube> power surcges I guess
[16:50] <zgreg> not sure I agree with the first, but the latter is quite obvious
[16:50] <azalyn> power cycling usually puts electronic (and mechanical in the case of mechanical parts) stress on hardware as i understand.
[16:50] <zgreg> if it's repeatedly turned on/off it'll also quickly cool up and down
[16:50] <piofcube> Car engines are the same... keep them warm and they last longer... so they say
[16:51] <zgreg> that stresses solder joints and the like
[16:51] <azalyn> oh, yeah, thermal expansion.
[16:51] <azalyn> forgot about that.
[16:51] <azalyn> apparently hard drives also suffer lots of mechanical stresses when they're spinning up.
[16:51] <zgreg> if you think about the electronics it's better to not switch it on
[16:51] <IT_Sean> I think people think thst due to the price, it is of lessquality than something more aspensive
[16:51] <azalyn> they're designed to keep running
[16:52] <DaQatz> You know, when I was little I never understood why people were unhappy when the groundhog said there would be six more weeks of winter. Mind you mostly it's because I'm in Maine, and six more weeks is a very early spring.
[16:52] <zgreg> any electronics slowly will suffer from electron migration in the end
[16:52] <IT_Sean> Electron migration is a bastard
[16:52] <azalyn> IT_Sean: perhaps. but yeah, it's just unfamiliarity with electronics in general. even so, most of their high cost electronics fail all the time, the xbox360 being a perfect example.. so they think a low cost unit like this must be worse.
[16:53] <azalyn> but that obviously is a flawed way to look at it.
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[16:53] <piofcube> I remember a really old HDD that would heat up quite a bit... if the server was shut down, the discs would have stretched out so we ended up with two sets of cylinders (second set being created in-between this first after the drive refused to boot so we had to do a low-level format) LOL
[16:53] <Caver> oops
[16:53] <zgreg> azalyn: I've read a documentary about the xbox360. it's really crazy how haphazardly the console was designed and built, just to be first, quicker than sony
[16:53] <azalyn> most failures are either due to things like capacitor plague, or inadequate cooling which causes BGAs to desolder..
[16:54] <Caver> I can't imagine 1W of heat causing too much desoldering
[16:54] * IT_Sean has never had an rrod w/ his 360
[16:54] <azalyn> zgreg: the original xbox is probably even worse. after all, it was just an x86 pc in a case..
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[16:55] <azalyn> Caver: yeah, exactly. it doesn't seem these people understand that heat is one of the big causes.
[16:55] <zgreg> azalyn: as far as I know the first xbox is quite reliable
[16:55] <zgreg> but it's a tank, it's huge, it's and noisy
[16:55] <piofcube> IT_Sean... three xboxes rroded here... but none were mine.. just my kids' so not so bad ;-)
[16:55] <IT_Sean> I never had aproblem with either my xbox, or xbox 360
[16:55] <azalyn> zgreg: i'm talking from an elegance perspective. and there were some issues with the original xbox too. power supply ones i believe.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Heh
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[16:55] <azalyn> and lockups of course.. but that's software i guess. heh
[16:56] <piofcube> Using my jasper as a paper weight now... works perfect, just don't use it
[16:56] <IT_Sean> Aye, there was a recall on the power cord for the org. Xbox
[16:56] <azalyn> it would catch fire, right?
[16:56] <azalyn> ;)
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[16:57] <IT_Sean> Smething like that
[16:57] <IT_Sean> They replaced it wiht a gfi equipped lead.
[16:58] <azalyn> nintendo's systems are probably the only ones that are elegantly designed in terms of the internals. i remember reading about it. the gamecube motherboard layout had a lot of time put into it, to keep latency between GPU/CPU/Memory as low as possible, and to reduce costs.
[16:58] <azalyn> but then again, nintendo is a company that actually learns from their mistakes. they only had to screw up hardware one time, with the NES, to learn their lesson.
[16:59] <azalyn> and all future systems were built like tanks. (not in size, like the xbox.. but in resilience)
[16:59] <zgreg> actually in when it comes to elegance (and crazyness) in hardware design, I still conside the ps2 king
[17:00] <kinda_le3t> i heard the ps2 was kinda awkward to program for
[17:00] <azalyn> i remember reading how some people took some nintendo ds's to mount everest, and they worked perfectly fine.. even while their cb radios and rugged laptops broke down from the cold... so much for rugged. heh
[17:00] <zgreg> great, I'm unable type today for some reason
[17:00] <azalyn> it's especially bad in the case of the cb radios.. i mean come on.. that shit is supposed to work.
[17:00] <azalyn> PS2 was a mess.. it wasn't really elegant..
[17:00] <azalyn> PS2 slim i suppose was better.
[17:01] <piofcube> The disc lense tended to mess up on one revision on the PS2.
[17:01] <zgreg> azalyn: I mean the hardware architecture, not how it was put together on a PCB
[17:01] <zgreg> the GPU of the PS2 was a crazy design for its time
[17:01] <azalyn> they just used MIPS, no?
[17:02] <zgreg> no, not just MIPS
[17:02] <zgreg> MIPS with specialized DSPs directly integrated
[17:02] <zgreg> and the GPU as a brute-force monster with extreme fillrate and rasterizing power
[17:03] <Caver> hrm yes something about lots of cores and most people at the time were not used writing multi-core code
[17:03] <azalyn> too crazy. it was underpowered compared to the gamecube, even though the console launched a year earlier, and hard greater economies of scale, the gamecube still costed less to manufacture, and was more powerful than the PS2. and this status quo continued for years later. despite sony outselling nintendo by great amounts.
[17:03] <zgreg> the PS2's GPU uses embedded DRAM that is attached via an extremely wide bus, 2560 bits wide
[17:03] <zgreg> and for its time it offered extreme bandwidth, about 50 GB/s
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[17:05] <zgreg> azalyn: the gamecube appeared on the market roughly a year later than the PS2 - so naturally it was more powerful
[17:05] <azalyn> interesting hardware designs are useless if they aren't pragmatic. it's not a good thing for your console to have higher costs and less performance, even though you have way higher volume sales. it's just not even remotely sane.
[17:06] <azalyn> zgreg: i already addressed that though. it's not just the performance, it's the economies of scale thing.
[17:06] <zgreg> azalyn: right, but the PS2 certainly is elegant in the way that the hardware design is so minimalistic, yet powerful
[17:06] <zgreg> it definitely is hard to use that power, but later PS2 titles show nicely what the hardware is capable of
[17:07] <azalyn> minimalism isn't important if it costs you more money to get the product out the door than your competitors who should have lower economies of scale.
[17:07] <zgreg> azalyn: that's not my point
[17:07] <azalyn> in fact... minimalism is supposed to make it easier for you to manufacture.
[17:07] <zgreg> I don't care about economies of scale
[17:08] <azalyn> zgreg: well, i'm just talking from a pragmatic perspective.
[17:08] <zgreg> yes, and I'm not, far from it :)
[17:08] <azalyn> i consider elegance from all angles.
[17:09] <azalyn> zgreg: well, like i said, it seems to me that minimalism is supposed to make it easier to manufacture easily. i see it as a huge failure if your design ends up being more expensive.
[17:09] <azalyn> something is clearly wrong there.
[17:09] <kinda_le3t> software is so weird now. web design is just slapping together a few javascript libraries
[17:09] <kinda_le3t> it's like over-streamlined and feels very unpersonal
[17:09] <kinda_le3t> i can't even look at websites with light/shadow boxes
[17:10] <azalyn> anyways, i'm more fascinated by the previous gen consoles. like saturn, ps1, n64. it's hard to believe the things developers could do with such limited hardware.
[17:10] <kinda_le3t> azalyn: ever look at the demoscene from the 90's?
[17:10] <zgreg> azalyn: if you go back to that generation interestingly the ps1 has the most straight-forward design
[17:10] <kinda_le3t> it's fucking cool... in a cheesey hackers kinda way
[17:10] <azalyn> kinda_le3t: i'm familiar with it. yes i know how insane some of that stuff is. hehe
[17:10] <azalyn> there's a game called .kkreiger or something..
[17:11] <kinda_le3t> hah... raspberrypi demoscene?
[17:11] <kinda_le3t> starts now?
[17:11] <Caver> now that could be interesting
[17:11] <kinda_le3t> i mean
[17:11] <azalyn> it's a game with like quake3 sorts of graphics, although not as good model design and such... but get this..
[17:11] <kinda_le3t> we could even do art installations on the street
[17:11] <Caver> as it's got quite reasonible GPU power - arguments about open drivers aside
[17:11] <zgreg> I don't know, from what I've seen not many people from the scene are interested in the rpi
[17:11] <azalyn> the game is smaller than a large-ish screenshot of the game.
[17:12] <kinda_le3t> hah
[17:12] <kinda_le3t> azalyn: that's sick
[17:12] <azalyn> 96k in size.
[17:12] <azalyn> so even a jpeg of the game in action could be bigger.
[17:12] <azalyn> than the game itself
[17:12] <kinda_le3t> i've been looking at generative art
[17:13] <Caver> like fractal type stuff?
[17:13] <kinda_le3t> yea
[17:13] <kinda_le3t> but more general
[17:13] <azalyn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvro22UeeKk
[17:13] <azalyn> check it out.
[17:14] <kinda_le3t> fractals are like the big example
[17:14] <zgreg> "That would give it the same GPU power as the PS Vita. And the CPU power of an iPhone 1. If it's true, they made the most unbalanced SOC ever :D"
[17:14] <azalyn> look at the graphics
[17:14] <zgreg> that's so true. :)
[17:14] <azalyn> skip to like 1 minute in
[17:14] <azalyn> in some ways it's actually almost doom3 level
[17:15] <Caver> http://www.mathematische-basteleien.de/spiral.htm always a good read
[17:15] <azalyn> all of you, click now. >:O
[17:15] <azalyn> i want you guys to freak out.
[17:15] <azalyn> that's a 96kb game right there.
[17:15] <Caver> it's one of the things I missed most about going from the archimedes to the pc - really really hard to do graphing type stuff vs a few DRAW commands in bbc basic
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[17:16] <zgreg> Caver: oh come one, QBASIC has quite powerful drawing commands
[17:17] * Tachyon` blinks
[17:18] <Caver> in windows?
[17:18] <Tachyon`> it has get and put for sprites and basic line drawing commands, that's about it
[17:18] <Tachyon`> and a curious command that takes a string full of logoesque commands and draws that
[17:18] <Hexxeh> Got the Chromium OS build rolling producing what should be ARMv6 binaries, but is there any easy way of checking short of attempting to run them? Well, there must be, but what is it? :)
[17:19] <Caver> zgreg, maybe it did, it certainly didn't gel at the time for me
[17:20] <Hexxeh> file shows this: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped
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[17:20] <Caver> Hexxeh, have you got a qemu setup?
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[17:25] <Hexxeh> Caver: Not yet, waiting for QEMU to compile
[17:27] <Caver> heh ok ... well in theory ... boot a arm linux kernel with qemu then run the binary :)
[17:27] <Hexxeh> Surely there's a quicker way?
[17:27] <Caver> buy a Pi?
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> Eben Upton is speaking about @Raspberry_Pi right now at http://meegs.mit.edu/ please come and support this event. RT me! http://pic.twitter.com/e5xl4sb8
[17:30] <Caver> :)
[17:30] <Hexxeh> Caver: There must be a way of doing it on a different platform
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[17:32] <Caver> I think file is about as close as you'll get
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[17:32] <Caver> or rather the "file" command
[17:32] <Caver> could run ldd on it too
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[17:33] <Caver> that should show you what the linkers showing it should pull in library wise
[17:33] <Caver> (I think - someone please correct if not!)
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[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> ukscone - you don't need tv space .....
[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> grr wrong window there...
[17:48] <Caver> huh?
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> was a tweet .... from ukscone .,.
[17:53] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: i have about 3TB of british tv and radio mostly radio comedy series and 80s, 90s and 00s bbc & itv dramas, mysteries and docus
[17:53] <ukscone> i NEED it as have you watched american TV?
[17:54] <Caver> lol
[17:54] <haltdef> american's usually better
[17:54] <Caver> awww there is some good american tv
[17:54] <haltdef> the bad american stuff is cringeworthy though :P
[17:54] <ukscone> Caver: like what? on broadcast tv i mean not cable like history channel or discovery or a few hbo/showtime series
[17:55] <Caver> no idea ... I live in the UK so only get editted hilights
[17:55] <Caver> I give you Jeremy Kyle :P
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[17:56] <haltdef> fringe, castle, hawaii five-0, how I met your mother, modern family, the middle, the big bang theory
[17:56] <Caver> I like things like West Wing etc ... a lot
[17:56] <haltdef> walking dead, breaking in, harry's law, nurse jackie
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[17:57] <Caver> how ever not sure how I'd live with out radio 4
[17:57] <Caver> (sad but true)
[17:58] * Soul_Est waves to everyone in the channel
[17:58] <Soul_Est> hi everyone
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[18:24] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[18:24] * PiBot slaps Aquilus_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:25] <ukscone> Is it not out yet?
[18:25] <ukscone> HA pibot
[18:26] <DaQatz> Is the rpi not out yet?
[18:26] * PiBot slaps DaQatz across the face with a cast iron pan.
[18:28] <rm> is the rhombus tech thingamajjig out yet?
[18:28] <ukscone> not rpi is yet out?
[18:31] <zgreg> rm: surely you jest!
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[18:36] <Henchman21> holy crap theyre in the store now!
[18:38] <Edek> The pi's aren't in the store yet!
[18:38] <Henchman21> hah made you look
[18:39] <Edek> I was all panicking for a second...
[18:39] <Edek> crap, where is it again?
[18:40] <piofcube> CC behind glass... "In case of Raspberry Pi.. Break here!"
[18:40] <Edek> ...damn mastercard verification...
[18:40] <Edek> 2 hours later they're sold out
[18:40] <Edek> and the creditcard took to long to get...
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[18:41] <Henchman21> just me or is the mailing list box not working?
[18:41] <piofcube> I'm very suprised that no-one has written any "auto r-pi buy bot" malware. Buy the r-pi 1 second after it goes on sale... just enter your CC details and the bot will do the rest.
[18:42] <mjr> good ide!
[18:42] <mjr> a
[18:42] <Edek> but that's not malware.
[18:42] <Henchman21> nevernmind i had adblock/scriptblock enabled
[18:42] <piofcube> it would be if it just forwarded your CC numbers :S
[18:44] <Edek> a raspberrypi could be used to wait for that moment, it doens't use much energy
[18:44] <Edek> oh wait they're what's going to be released ;)
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[18:47] <piofcube> WinXP thinks my on-board Trident GPU has 0MB RAM... Explains why the picture goes monochrome after Windows logo... *hunts for drivers*
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[18:48] <Edek> aren't those things really old?
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[18:48] <piofcube> It's an old Mini-ITX M/B I'm working on ;-)
[18:48] <Edek> what are you going to use it for?
[18:49] <piofcube> I needed a composite output and it was cheap... :-)
[18:49] <Soul_Est> piofcube: lucky
[18:49] <zgreg> why would you want composite output? :)
[18:49] <zgreg> it's the WORST way to transport a video signal, almost literally
[18:49] <Edek> i guess it's an old tv or something
[18:50] <zgreg> yes, but even those support RGB (via SCART) input or s-video input
[18:50] <zgreg> unfortunately not supported by the pi, as far as I know
[18:51] <piofcube> Yeah..just some video capture. basic stuff. Minecraft static camera. I'm streaming off another, slightly better spec Mini-ITX.
[18:52] <piofcube> Looking for the saving in power and frees up PCs LOL, actually it's not bad for a live-stream.
[18:52] <zgreg> I've talked with people that confused "composite video" and "component video" though
[18:52] <zgreg> they think they can use the composite output for HD stuff
[18:53] <piofcube> LOL... PAL/NTSC signal I mean ;-)
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[18:53] <zgreg> I wasn't able to convince them otherwise
[18:53] <piofcube> BRB... food.
[18:53] <zgreg> They'll be quite disappointed
[18:54] <zgreg> I've heard one of these guys say "I have composite and HDMI on my TV and composite is not any worse than HDMI, really"
[18:54] <zgreg> uhm, ok
[18:54] <Soul_Est> zgreg: yup.
[18:54] * Soul_Est facepalm
[18:55] <Edek> i maybe you shouldn't watch tv with binoculars from outer space
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[18:57] * theadmin has just seen they're gonna be using Fedora as the recommended distribution. Wtf choice.
[18:58] <Edek> i was thinking of keeping it simple and using debian
[18:58] <Edek> but why is fedora so bad?
[18:59] <theadmin> Not bad, I like it, but still weird choice because, well, uh... It's a hugely desktop-oriented distro
[18:59] <Tobias|> I've had major issues with fedora's package manager in the past
[19:00] <zgreg> fedora is bleeding edge, literally.
[19:00] <theadmin> Arch is more of that.
[19:00] <theadmin> Especially [testing] >.<
[19:01] <theadmin> Though I like it
[19:01] <Edek> isn't the pi supposed to be a sort of mini-desktop
[19:01] <theadmin> Might be
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[19:01] <theadmin> hrm... Anyone happen to know if sshd will be configured to start by default? Trying to figure if I need a keyboard xD
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[19:02] <zgreg> theadmin: no, it won't start by default
[19:02] <Edek> no, but maybe you could pre-change the settings
[19:03] <theadmin> zgreg: I see, thanks, then I gotta go grab a USB keyboard of some sort
[19:03] <zgreg> theadmin: no, you don't need that
[19:04] <theadmin> zgreg: ?...
[19:04] <zgreg> just mount the SD card on a PC and change the settings
[19:04] <theadmin> zgreg: Hm... I can't just chroot into an ARM distro, so sshd will need to be at least preinstalled
[19:05] <zgreg> theadmin: why would you need to do that?
[19:05] <theadmin> zgreg: Well, if it's got something to do with package management (I take it they will have a package manager) it's easiest to just chroot (actually I don't know the other ways)
[19:05] <zgreg> from what I know, it will be installed, just not start by default
[19:05] <theadmin> zgreg: Ah, that's good then
[19:06] <zgreg> however, actually you can chroot into an ARM file system with qemu
[19:06] <theadmin> Ooh.
[19:06] <theadmin> I'm not familiar with qemu but I guess
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[19:08] <Edek> how many rpi's will be sold in the first year?
[19:09] <Edek> i guess the first batch will be sold within 3 weeks
[19:09] <Edek> then through the year maybe 20000 will be sold
[19:09] <rm> HAHA 3 WEEKS
[19:10] <rm> that's a good one
[19:10] <theadmin> 3 weeks? You're underestimating geeks
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[19:10] <rm> 1st batch will be sold within an hour
[19:10] <rm> a day, at most
[19:10] <Tobias|> an hour?
[19:10] <zgreg> there are 85k people on the mailing list
[19:10] <piofcube> Might take 20 days for the web server to come back up again LOL
[19:10] <Edek> HOLYCRAP
[19:10] <Edek> that's Alot
[19:10] <zgreg> if that's any indication of the interest, they'll sell out quickly
[19:11] <Tobias|> Are you kidding? There'll be a ddos the size of china on the sales server
[19:11] <rm> over a year, counting the educational market and their model A, maybe 100k
[19:11] <octeris> zgreg: 85k + 1 :)
[19:11] <rm> in fact, as much as they will dare to produce
[19:11] <rm> all will be sold quickly
[19:11] <Edek> the servers will be randomnly online and offline for the next 6 months ;)
[19:11] <zgreg> some people are still trolling that we'll never get one
[19:11] <zgreg> s/still/already/
[19:12] <Edek> i was being conservative, but 85000 people on the mailinglist is ALot
[19:12] <octeris> What's everyone's best estimation of release? Next week? Valentine's Day?
[19:12] <piofcube> I wonder how many people will turn up at R-Pi Foundation's front door trying to buy one because the site is down?
[19:12] <Edek> I guess round valentine's day too
[19:12] <zgreg> http://www.thesinglestep.org/thoughts/rspi/
[19:13] <Edek> roses are red pi's vary in color..
[19:13] <zgreg> that guy isn't really well-informed though
[19:13] <octeris> Edek: Buy your loved one a new computer for only $35!
[19:13] <Edek> yay!
[19:13] <piofcube> Rapberry... looks heart-shaped :-)
[19:13] <octeris> Can we get Raspberry Hertz? :P
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[19:14] <Edek> it used to be 2000 pounds, now for 20!
[19:14] <theadmin> lol
[19:15] <zgreg> that's quite interesting overall--there's lots of people that are really interested in raspberry pi, but really don't know much of the project
[19:15] <zgreg> in most cases they haven't even read the FAQ
[19:15] <feep> Edek: is that a small-yet-fully-capable ARM-based minicomputer in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? :D
[19:15] <piofcube> They all want to be the first to ask when will it be out. :-S
[19:15] <Edek> lol
[19:16] <octeris> feep: Perfect.
[19:16] <Edek> i get tired of everyone saying, i'm special may i buy it in bulk?
[19:16] <Edek> the answer is always no
[19:16] <piofcube> Yeah.. I'm special... I just set-up an eBay account
[19:16] <Edek> read the forum/faq
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[19:18] <haltdef> whatever happened to sightlight
[19:18] <zgreg> who's that? a troll?
[19:18] <piofcube> Might have plugged in his PSU
[19:18] <haltdef> you'd think he's a troll but no, he's genuinely that special
[19:18] <zgreg> can you explain?
[19:19] <octeris> What do you plan on doing with your RPi?
[19:19] <Edek> everything
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[19:19] * theadmin is gonna use it for file storage at first
[19:19] <Edek> my own vps server!
[19:19] <haltdef> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/netbook-pi
[19:19] <Edek> my mediacenter
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> what did I miss?
[19:19] <Edek> my funbox
[19:19] <haltdef> reasonable project, only he was going to gut his only machine thinking the pi would be faster
[19:20] <zgreg> http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1525/40580028353972961341595.jpg
[19:20] <zgreg> awesome!
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ah.... still on about sighlight, ey?
[19:20] <zgreg> haltdef: yeah, there's lots of people with complete misconceptions about ARM cpu performance
[19:21] <Edek> i love the pi
[19:21] <haltdef> he thought he saw quake 3 running at 300fps, figured all other games that run on linux would be fine
[19:21] <zgreg> just yesterday, someone wanted to convince me that ARM obviously performs much better clock-by-clock compared to x86 because it's a much better architecture
[19:21] <Edek> but the laptop is already faster
[19:21] <Edek> and has higher specs
[19:22] <haltdef> I do wonder how ARM would compete if they did aim at outperforming an i7
[19:23] <zgreg> haltdef: probably not any good
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, probably not possible with RISC
[19:24] <Edek> you would need a 7 GHz arm for a 3 Ghz P4
[19:24] <zgreg> just found sightlights' "PSU design". awesome stuff!
[19:24] <haltdef> well now I'm no longer wondering
[19:24] <haltdef> I hate you guys :(
[19:24] <Edek> ARM is light weight and stuff
[19:24] <DaQatz> Edek, unlikely. htz to htz Arm does better.
[19:25] <Edek> really?
[19:25] <DaQatz> But there are things arm is simply not as good at.
[19:25] <DaQatz> Yes
[19:25] <zgreg> DaQatz: err, no. that's my point
[19:25] <zgreg> ARM IPC is quite miserable
[19:25] <zgreg> that goes for the lowly ARM11, but even for the cortex-A9
[19:26] <zgreg> cortex-a9 is about as fast as an intel atom, clock by clock
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[19:26] <Edek> instrucions are reduced on arm = risc
[19:26] <Edek> and
[19:26] <Edek> Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 9,726 MIPS at 3.2 GHz
[19:26] <Edek> ARM11 515 MIPS at 412 MHz
[19:27] <zgreg> Edek: the RISC vs CISC distinction does not make much sense anymore today
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, sure it does... less silicone -> less cost -> more embedded applications.
[19:27] <Edek> what about medium-instruction-set
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... silicone >.>
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> *silicon, obviously.
[19:28] <Edek> still arm is 5:4
[19:28] <Edek> and intel 9:3
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[19:29] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: where did you get the idea that RISC matters for die size?
[19:29] <DaQatz> ARM11 is old Edek if you compare new to new
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[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, you know what I mean.
[19:30] <zgreg> anyway, the basic "problem" is the modern "RISC" architectures like ARM introduce many CISCy features, and in the same way, CISC processors are internally mostly RISC
[19:30] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: no, I don't
[19:30] <DaQatz> Cortex A8 and A9 easily out do x86 mhz to mhz
[19:31] <zgreg> DaQatz: stop spreading bullshit
[19:31] <DaQatz> zgreg, I'm not
[19:31] <zgreg> e.g. see coremark, for example
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[19:31] <zgreg> it's a bad and silly benchmark, but still enough to prove this point
[19:31] <DaQatz> See actually useage
[19:31] <DaQatz> Does prove the point
[19:32] <zgreg> err, no, it does not
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[19:32] <zgreg> in actual usage ARM usually performs worse than in benchmarks
[19:32] <Edek> still cisc is more ciscy than risc is ciscy and vice versa
[19:33] <zgreg> many CPU benchmarks use small, tight loopswith small data sets, which fit the CPU caches
[19:33] <Edek> + higher mips
[19:33] <zgreg> in real world, that's often not the case, and most ARM SoCs have very restricted benchmarks
[19:33] <zgreg> s/benchmarks/memory bandwidth/
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[19:34] <zgreg> DaQatz: also, I'm interested in what kind of "actual usage" you mean
[19:34] <DaQatz> Side by side test running programs
[19:34] <DaQatz> Looking it the tests now
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[19:35] <Edek> post a link of one of the tests
[19:35] <DaQatz> USed to be linked in the OpenPandora forums, and beagleboard
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, there's more to it than die size, obviously... silicon wafers themselves aren't all that expensive. As for where I get the idea, well honestly I just take it for granted as it was something taught at uni.
[19:35] <zgreg> some of ARMs propaganda? :)
[19:35] <Thorn_> they should rename x86 to CORE
[19:35] <zgreg> yeah, I know some of the "comparisons" ARM has done, which are essentially useless
[19:35] <Thorn_> then we can finally have ARM vs CORE and my Total Annihilation fantasies will be true <3
[19:36] <DaQatz> zgreg, no the compares wear done by people homebrewing on the devoces
[19:36] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: well, what the theory says was true maybe in the eighties, but nowadays it's... complicated
[19:36] <DaQatz> devices*
[19:37] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: if you go by the theory, intel atom is 95% a RISC cpu
[19:37] <Thorn_> zgreg: do remember that he is australian, and australia is always stuck 20 years in the past. therefore the theory is probably still accurate down there :)
[19:37] * Thorn_ runs
[19:38] <Edek> run, run!
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[19:38] <OneFix_Work> So, I guess there is going to be a limit of one per customer on the first batch of rPis...
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, one per household, yes.
[19:39] <Edek> yes
[19:39] <Edek> they expect to allow bulk orders around june/july
[19:39] <Thorn_> what? at this rate they wont even have the first batch by then
[19:39] <OneFix_Work> Guess that means we'll have to talk our friends and family into ordering one for us too :)
[19:40] <Edek> or your neighbours
[19:40] <kinda_le3t> purchases with dead relatives?
[19:40] <Edek> lol
[19:40] <Thorn_> you can make them an electronic grave
[19:40] <Edek> register 15 postboxes in one house
[19:40] <Thorn_> provides up to date information with their rate of decay :)
[19:41] <kinda_le3t> their spirit will live on... in this circuit board
[19:41] <kinda_le3t> then you can blame all the bugs on hauntings
[19:41] <OneFix_Work> Yea, or open a PO box...also if you have a street address, sending to 123 1/4 Elm Street and 123 2/4 Elm Street, etc will generally land it in your mailbox
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Or you can stop being jerks and keep it fair. =)
[19:42] <OneFix_Work> hehe
[19:42] <Edek> thats a possibiltiy to
[19:42] <Edek> too
[19:42] * ShiftPlusOne buys up PO boxes.
[19:42] <Thorn_> sad thing is most of my mates intend to buy one
[19:42] <Thorn_> 'cos it's 'coo and nerdy
[19:42] <Thorn_> (and they have extremely limited linux experience)
[19:43] <Edek> we need to start an anti-pi campaign to have more for ourselves
[19:43] <Thorn_> the 'i installed ubuntu once!' types
[19:43] <OneFix_Work> Well, hopefully production is up enough for bulk orders to be sold to classes at the beginning of the fall semester...I mean that's what it's really for
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[19:47] <kinda_le3t> OneFix_Work: that'd be cool
[19:47] <Edek> i'm starting to dream about what all the stuff i could do with my own dedicated vps server (rpi) for 35$
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[19:48] <Thorn_> it's a dedi not a vps
[19:48] <Thorn_> unless you're running virtualized containers in it
[19:48] <Thorn_> which would just be crazy
[19:49] <OneFix_Work> It's going to get really interesting with the GertBoard...BTW, will the GertBoard have any SATA connectors?
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Edek, then it wouldn't be .... what thorn said.
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[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, I don't think so, that's not what it's for.
[19:49] <Caver> OneFix_Work, no sata on the gertboard
[19:50] <Caver> if you want sata, plug in a external hard drive to the usb port
[19:50] <Edek> the gertboard is only for analog stuff and low level digital stuff
[19:51] <DaQatz> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/armed_and_dangerous_arm_vs_x86_-_which_will_win_computing_war?page=0,1
[19:51] <EiNSTeiN_> so I was looking at this: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hdmi-male-to-male-adapter-72838
[19:51] <OneFix_Work> aww, well...I just kind of figured that a board with like 4 or 5 SATA connectors would allow you to run FreeNAS and build your own SAN
[19:51] <EiNSTeiN_> and I saw one of the "features"; Made of high speed HDMI wire material
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> gertboard is for blinkenlights and spinney things.
[19:51] <EiNSTeiN_> I lol'd
[19:52] <DaQatz> http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/59285-x86-vs-arm-the-apocalyptical-war
[19:52] <OneFix_Work> The only problem with USB is performance...
[19:52] <Edek> you could connect usb drives to a usb hub
[19:52] <Edek> but it would be very slow
[19:52] <Caver> agreed
[19:52] <Thorn_> probably about as slow as the average cheap (??150) NAS in my experience
[19:52] <Thorn_> they're pretty much 2 drives sharing an internal usb bus off a soc :<
[19:53] <Edek> but the rpi itself could bottleneck it
[19:55] <OneFix_Work> Yea, that's one thing I recognized with the Model B, it's using an internal USB hub to get 2 USB ports on there
[19:55] <Edek> my readynas duo ???140 does 12 Mb per second
[19:55] <Edek> that not that slow at all
[19:55] <Caver> sure but I bet it's not doing sata over usb
[19:55] <Edek> no
[19:56] <Edek> but it's cheaper than 150 pounds and still is fast
[19:56] <Edek> i gtg
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[20:02] <SpeedEvil> Do not expect 12M/s if you're also shipping the data out over USB
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> (the network interface is USB)
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[20:04] <Cheery> I sort of hope this would be a final death blow for microsoft
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> Wut?
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> The pi?
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> I want some of what you're smoking.
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[20:05] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: good thing it's not so obvious
[20:05] <Cheery> :)
[20:06] <Soul_Est> SpeedEvil: Cheery means the powerful 64-bit ARM.
[20:06] <Cheery> once it gets there sometime near time.. I think it becomes more clear.
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> And I don't see how that's at all relevant really.
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> Windows has run on many architectures, from PPC, to x86, to ARM.
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> Alpha too IIRC
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[20:17] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, I am still trying to understand why you said that RISC does not imply a smaller die size. I am looking at transistor counts and it seems like ARM transistor counts are in the region of where x86 CPUs were over 10 years ago. At the same time Atom has twice as much as a cortex a9. Obviously these are rough comparisons, but surely RISC proccessors are way cheaper to make than CISC. Am I missing something?
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[20:19] <chris_99> yeah i'd say they're a lot cheaper to make too ShiftPlusOne
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[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah well
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I think they should be receiving the pi boards some time this week =)
[20:33] <chris_99> ooh where did you hear that
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[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I made it up... hence the "I think". =) Just estimating postage time from China to UK
[20:35] <haltdef> the twitter account said "a couple of weeks" 2 days ago
[20:36] <chris_99> oh right heh, the postage from china can be pretty quick, i got a package from UPS from their in around 4 days
[20:36] <haltdef> wonder how long testing will take
[20:36] <chris_99> not long
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> when did they actually send the boards out?
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[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought it was a few weeks ago
[20:37] <haltdef> also what it'll consist of
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[20:38] <chris_99> i guess, running the OS checking that works, then testing JTAG/GPIO outputs the correct logic levels
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[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> How come they don't need CE certification, anyway?
[20:40] <chris_99> is it because its like a prototype board
[20:40] <chris_99> which aren't finished products i guess
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> "Definitely, yes; and we'll be sorting it out as soon as the first batch of boards is back. We need certification if we're going to sell into schools, so it's an absolute necessity."
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe they've taken care of it already with the alpha boards
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> actually that wasn't posted too long ago, so I guess she's talking about THE first batch coming up.
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[20:44] <chris_99> so, anyone got anything exciting planned for their first board?
[20:45] <mrdragons> Yep
[20:46] <hamitron> think I'll install an OS first
[20:46] <hamitron> :)
[20:46] <mrdragons> That's so mainstream
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[20:47] <hamitron> yeh :/
[20:47] <chris_99> haha
[20:49] <Henchman21> do one of those iphone smash vids with it
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> buy a raspberry pi, smash an iphone... good idea.
[20:51] <mrdragons> I plan to make a pirate box with mine
[20:51] <hamitron> I liked the idea someone said, of sailing the r-pi down a stream
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[20:51] <hamitron> "adventures of the r-pi"
[20:52] <Henchman21> make it a weather balloon controler so it can reach low earth orbit
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> I really hope they're not trying to just blindly CE certify it without doing some emissions testing on pre-boards.
[20:53] <hamitron> firsr r-pi round the Earth.... gets a sticky badghe
[20:53] <hamitron> badge
[20:53] * SpeedEvil spacks Henchman21 with an iron pan.
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> Balloons never, ever reach orbit.
[20:53] <Henchman21> then you can say my raspberry pi was in low earth orbit
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> wouldn't it need to travel at a very high speed to actually orbit?
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> In order to reach orbit from a balloon, you need a couple of rockets.
[20:54] <Henchman21> orbit =!= low earth orbit
[20:54] <hamitron> if there is a chance Iran can do it.... maybe we can? :D
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[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Low earth orbit still requires an orbit.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Which requires orbital velocity
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Which balloons - lifted by bouyancy - can never have.
[20:55] <Henchman21> whatever high altitude
[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> "The sideways speed needed to achieve a stable low earth orbit is about 7.8 km/s" wikipedia
[20:55] <hamitron> we want rockets anyway :/
[20:55] <duckinator> give the astronaut beans before launch?
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Rockets are alas non-trivial, and often legally really annoying.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> For example, in the UK, it costs 6K, just to apply for a space launch permit.
[20:56] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDs2T2PgxNM
[20:56] <hamitron> maybe launch from sea?
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> And there absolutely will be costs for the required studies and insurance that will dwarf this.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Doesn't work.
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> If you are in control of the launch anywhere in the world, as a UK citezen, you need a launch permit.
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> 'Outer Space Act'
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> I forget the year
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> And I can't spell citezen.
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Henchman21, you're just talking about altitude then, not actually going around Earth?
[20:57] <chris_99> can you temporarilly denounce your citizenship i wonder
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> High altitude balloons are on topic in #highaltitude
[20:58] <hamitron> fail to see how they can really do much, if you are at sea
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: I don't think so.
[20:58] <chris_99> heh, pity
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: It's the same as the sex tourism laws.
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> They in principle prosecute you when you get back.
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> You need a space launch permit for sex tourism? =/
[20:59] <hamitron> so we just need our own country
[20:59] <hamitron> ?
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> In #highaltitude, we're launching ballons every couple of weeks or so.
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> These go to 30-40km altitude, and can in some cases (admittedly accidentally) cross the atlantic
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> One launched from california, and hit the med.
[21:00] <Henchman21> just need one of those earther balloons, an insulated box for your electronics,a parachute,and a permit or say F it and launch it without ;)
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Using ~10mW of radio, on 433MHz, with a good reciever can get you well over 500km range.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> (50bps downlink only though)
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> You need CAA approval for your launch site.
[21:00] <hamitron> <SpeedEvil> If you are in control of the launch anywhere in the world, as a UK citezen, you need a launch permit. <--- what about out of control? ;/
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> And you can't use any other than licence exempt radios, as amateur licences are not applicable for airborne use.
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> In control of the launch = press the button.
[21:01] <Henchman21> APRS
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> APRS is illegal.
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Airborne.
[21:01] <hamitron> bah, laws are there to be broken :/
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Or rather - in violation of your UK ham licence.
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Or rather - not covered.
[21:02] <Henchman21> ok queen
[21:02] <jolo2> here in France there seems to be a frequency dedicated to school and things like that
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> I've been investigating how to do small scale rocketry legally.
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> It's annoying.
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> jolo2: Verify it's actually legal to use airborne.
[21:03] <chris_99> what type of engine SpeedEvil?
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: either kerosene/H2O2 or alcohol/LOX
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> there are arguments both ways.
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> four stages.
[21:04] <chris_99> neat, that'd be really impressive
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> More stages let you _dramatically_ reduce the mass fraction.
[21:04] <jolo2> SpeedEvil, it is as the "CNES" gives us some radio transmitter to use in balloons
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[21:05] <SpeedEvil> I was aiming at ~1 ton launch weight for a kilo in orbit
[21:05] <mrdragons> Kerosene/H202 would be a good bit cheaper wouldn't it?
[21:05] <jolo2> http://www.planete-sciences.org/espace/publications/techniques/KIWI_Comprehensive_Datasheet.pdf
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> mrdragons: no
[21:05] <jolo2> "KIWI Telemetry System has been designed by CNES (French Space Agency), Plan?te Sciences (Space Division) and Tenum in order to allow young amateurs to perform onboard radio data transmission for both rocket and weather balloons projects."
[21:06] <Henchman21> http://aprs.fi/?_s=ss_call&call=KK4ETE-11&mt=roadmap&timerange=3600&z=11
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> mrdragons: It's unfortunately complex. H2O2 is essentially unavaliable (now) in high concentrations.
[21:06] <jolo2> and my class and teachers will launch one next week xD
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Concentrating it is non-trivial.
[21:06] <mrdragons> Oh.
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> jolo2: Join #highaltitude
[21:06] <Henchman21> theres an amateur radio balloon that was released recently using APRS
[21:06] <jolo2> already did
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:06] <chris_99> can you distil hydrogen-peroxide or does that not work
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: You can - but it's fun.
[21:07] <feep> Fun?
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> It needs to be vacuum distilled, and the vapours are explosive.
[21:07] <chris_99> haha
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> And the H2O2 is explosive if you do it wrong
[21:07] <feep> http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Fun
[21:07] <feep> <3
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[21:08] <Tobias|> heh
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> This is the interface to a tracker, built by the UK HAB communtiy.
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[21:08] <Tobias|> I know a few people who are part of that, SpeedEvil
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> We have a network of listeners on 433MHz.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Up to a dozen recievers have tracked a balloon at once.
[21:08] <Tobias|> This mildly bemuses me
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[21:09] <mrdragons> This stuff is really fascinating
[21:09] <jolo2> that's cool :D
[21:09] <Tobias|> How involved are you with horus, SpeedEvil?
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> (most of the recievers are not on the map, as it's been wiped in preparation for tomorrows flight.
[21:09] <mrdragons> It's too bad it takes so much work to do without looking like a terrorist
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Tobias|: I hang out in the same channel.
[21:09] <feep> )
[21:09] <feep> sorry, habit
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[21:17] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
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[21:46] <MystX> =|
[21:47] <DaQatz> ={
[21:49] <MystX> Lol. Is it out?
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[21:54] <MystX> D=
[21:54] <MystX> Well the 3g here works brilliantly
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[22:37] <DaQatz> !channel
[22:37] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots
[22:37] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[22:37] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
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[23:06] <tntexplosivesltd> is it out yet?
[23:06] * PiBot slaps tntexplosivesltd across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> is it out now?
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[23:10] <Laurenceb_> raspberry pi is like fusion power
[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> is it out yet?
[23:10] * PiBot slaps tntexplosivesltd across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> ouch!
[23:11] <ahven> serves you right :P
[23:11] <Laurenceb_> always going to be ready in a few weeks/decades
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[23:12] <tntexplosivesltd> but is it out now?
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> no
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> and it never will be
[23:13] <tntexplosivesltd> how about now
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> lol
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> troll
[23:13] <tntexplosivesltd> you must be new here
[23:13] <piofcube> Is it nearly there yet?
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[23:17] <octeris> how about now?
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[23:36] <feep> guys don't you know
[23:36] <feep> every time you ask, gabe delays it another three months
[23:37] <mrdragons> Ask what?
[23:37] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[23:37] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[23:37] <tntexplosivesltd> feep: aww
[23:37] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[23:37] <piofcube> krake will let us all know
[23:38] <tntexplosivesltd> krake?
[23:38] <piofcube> Yeah
[23:38] <krake> what?
[23:38] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[23:38] <piofcube> Is it out yet?
[23:38] * PiBot slaps piofcube across the face with a cast iron pan.
[23:38] <tntexplosivesltd> didn't know whokrake was
[23:38] <tntexplosivesltd> * who krake was
[23:38] <DaQatz> Krake?
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[23:46] <piofcube> Forums starting to throw database errors again :(
[23:46] <feep> it's just getting you used to the experience
[23:47] <piofcube> LOL@"unofficial R-Pi kits to be made available"
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[23:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
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[23:50] <tntexplosivesltd> link?
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[23:52] <tntexplosivesltd> piofcube: link?
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[23:54] <piofcube> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/off-topic/unofficial-raspberry-pi-kits-to-be-made-availabne
[23:55] <OneFix_Work> piofcube: You mean the kits that they said they wouldn't make available because of the small soldering required on the rPi?
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[23:56] <piofcube> LOL... it's a joke but made me laugh...
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[23:56] <tntexplosivesltd> yea that's pretty good
[23:57] <OneFix_Work> piofcube: Yea, I realized after about the first sentence that it was a joke :)
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[23:57] <piofcube> TOSSEER kit LMAO
[23:59] <tntexplosivesltd> XD

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