#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <OneFix_Work> I think if the rPi is only going to be $25 / $35, then the cost of assembly must be pretty low...
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[0:01] <OneFix_Work> the CPU has to be at least half of the cost...
[0:03] <tntexplosivesltd> they got a good deal from broadcom
[0:03] <tntexplosivesltd> so it's probably significantly less than that
[0:03] <mrdragons> So is anyone else going to be getting a hand-melted kit? :P
[0:03] <tntexplosivesltd> I think I will
[0:04] <tntexplosivesltd> I like making my own things
[0:04] <OneFix_Work> Yea, I'm sure, but with CPU, Memory, HDMI port, USB port, Power, Audio, and Network ports, I'm sure the costs will add up
[0:04] <hamitron> my Pi will probably be melted :/
[0:05] <tntexplosivesltd> OneFix_Work: Probably yeah
[0:06] <OneFix_Work> I can guarantee you if you tried to purchase all of those components on the open market, the components alone would cost more than the rPi
[0:10] <tntexplosivesltd> depends on qhantity etc
[0:10] <tntexplosivesltd> * quantity
[0:11] <tntexplosivesltd> but yes
[0:12] <hamitron> is it out yet?
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[0:28] <SpeedEvil> I wish that a kit of the main semis were available.
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> Simply as I want to try denser BGA, and this is a useful platform.
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[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> main semis?
[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> how would you solder it?
[0:44] <tntexplosivesltd> oven?
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[0:48] <tntexplosivesltd> BOO!
[0:48] <IT_Sean> ...
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: I have a partially constructed really controllable teeny reflow oven.
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> Which can do nitrogen only easily
[0:50] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> Of the order of a paint can, lots of insulation, a 350w 'food' IR lamp, a tiny fan to stir the air a little, some IR baffles, and a dump valve.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> It's intended as a dual-use design.
[0:51] <tntexplosivesltd> cool
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> For reflow, and single small frozen pies and stuff.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> ~10cm cube.
[0:52] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting that the ic doesn't mind the heat
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> So you can specify ramp and fan rates - hit 250C with fan on till the crust starts to brown, then ramp down for optimum defrost, and eventually open the vents to let the steam out.
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[0:52] <SpeedEvil> It's how they are soldered professionally.
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> (though often not using nitrogen)
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, at work we have a heater thing that blasts the area under the IC
[0:53] <tntexplosivesltd> so only that part heats up
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> A preheater, probably.
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> that's used to reduce thermal stress on the part.
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> It's lots easier to solder a chip on if the PCB and chip is already at 100C.
[0:54] <tntexplosivesltd> nah, that's all there is
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> Rather than if you try to heat the PCB through the chip
[0:54] <tntexplosivesltd> it's a BGA soldering station
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> Ah - right - I thought you meant actually under.
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I'll show you
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> They are typically used under the board, in the area the chip is soldered onto.
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> BRB - door.
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.zeph.com/Hot%20Air%20Rework,%20BGA%20&%20SMD%20Station.jpg
[0:55] <tntexplosivesltd> similar to that
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the bottom bit is the preheater.
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> The top is the nozzle to heat the chip and solder.
[0:56] <tntexplosivesltd> Right
[0:56] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> In some cases it's nice.
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> In others, you essentially can't solder without it.
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[2:25] <missPapaya> I can't wait for the pi :/
[2:25] <Tachyon`> we all have to though
[2:25] <Tachyon`> lol
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[2:30] <hamitron> Tachyon`, any eta on the thingy?
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[2:31] <Tachyon`> not yet, unless more interest materialises I might not be able to get them at all, still working on it, best thing might be to delay the ordering by a couple of weeks so more people can jump in if they want some
[2:31] <hamitron> how many you need to order?
[2:31] <Tachyon`> there's also another thorny issue I didn't consider until someone mentioned it today and that's the possibility of import duty (although whether it's charged seems entirely random)
[2:32] <hamitron> :/
[2:32] <MagicalTux> Tachyon`: depends on your country
[2:32] <MagicalTux> if sent from UK, it should be fine to any country in Europe
[2:32] <Tachyon`> so far only you and one other person besides me want any
[2:32] <Tachyon`> yes, I'm aware
[2:32] <Tachyon`> but it's being sent from america to the uk
[2:32] <Tachyon`> so may well attract it
[2:33] <Tachyon`> depending how they feel on the day
[2:33] <Tachyon`> lol
[2:33] <MagicalTux> ?
[2:33] <MagicalTux> what's sent from america ?
[2:33] <Tachyon`> Zipit 2 machines
[2:33] <hamitron> I guess 1 machine itself would be less likely to
[2:34] <Tachyon`> yeah, but the postage hike on one would be way more than the duty
[2:34] <Tachyon`> oddly enough my altair kit attracted no duty at all
[2:34] <Tachyon`> despite costing $200
[2:34] <Tachyon`> which is what 16 zipits will cost
[2:34] <Tachyon`> so I don't know, it just seems to depend if they look at that particular package or not
[2:34] <hamitron> I remember someone saying once, they only inspect "some" packages.... at random
[2:35] <Tachyon`> yes, that's been my experience
[2:35] <hamitron> but if they look at your package, and they think it hasn't been declared..... do they charge an admin fee I wonder
[2:35] <MagicalTux> it depends on the carrier
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[2:35] <MagicalTux> some carriers (fedex, dhl, etc) will do the customs thing themselves on *all* packages
[2:35] <Tachyon`> so it's just down to luck really, lol, I'm going to give it another couple of weeks for more interested people to decide they want some, then order or not, depending
[2:36] <MagicalTux> while others (usps, national serivces, EMS) are taken at random
[2:36] <hamitron> ah
[2:36] <hamitron> :)
[2:36] * Tachyon` sighs
[2:36] <hamitron> I suspect most people are greedy, and want better specs
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[2:37] <Tachyon`> well, I still want some so I'll probably end up getting them anyway, just not as quickly, I have your email in any case so you won't be forgotten
[2:37] <hamitron> that thing may actually do everything I want from the pi, tbh
[2:37] <hamitron> ok, ty :)
[2:37] <Tachyon`> but a lot seemed interested in here
[2:37] <Tachyon`> but then when it came to it only you and one other person wanted a unit each
[2:37] <Tachyon`> lol
[2:37] <Tachyon`> the mind boggles -.o
[2:37] <hamitron> well, I could increase my order if it helped
[2:38] <hamitron> to maybe 4
[2:38] <hamitron> but I would have to look more closely into the device first
[2:38] <hamitron> :)
[2:39] <Tachyon`> one sec
[2:39] <Tachyon`> http://quantumlime.com/zipit
[2:39] <Tachyon`> that page is interesting although a bit old
[2:39] <Tachyon`> from what I gatehr he has rather a large inventory, they're unlikely to run out any time soon, lol
[2:41] <hamitron> well, no rush
[2:41] <hamitron> I have other more important projects to work on first
[2:42] <hamitron> like, ones that earn money ;)
[2:42] <Tachyon`> lol
[2:42] <Tachyon`> surprising they got any sort of graphical interface running on it, but the screengrabs towards the bottom show some things running
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[2:43] <hamitron> tbh, I don't really want to be just running someone elses image on it
[2:43] <Tachyon`> also, whoever thought an 8x8 console font was a good idea for a 320x240 screen wants shooting
[2:43] <Tachyon`> well, it runs debian, but given you can boot what you want from SD with no risk of brickage, you can more or elss do as you like
[2:44] <hamitron> yeh
[2:44] <Tachyon`> (you can update the internal flash but probably shouldn't until very sure)
[2:44] <hamitron> well, if it boots off SD, that is fine
[2:45] <hamitron> main thing I'd want to check, are all drivers open source?
[2:45] <Tachyon`> I think there are a coupel of binary blobs for the wifi
[2:45] <Tachyon`> but there are instructions on that page to retrieve them
[2:45] <Tachyon`> firmware for the chipset in the main
[2:45] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, those zipits look pretty cool
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[2:46] <Tachyon`> other than that, everything is indeed open
[2:48] <tntexplosivesltd> where can you buy one of those from?
[2:49] <hamitron> does it have a mic?
[2:49] <hamitron> I'm guessing not
[2:50] <Tachyon`> aye, I think not
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> are yous ordering a few of those zipits?
[2:52] <Tachyon`> hopefully, although you seem to be on the wrong side of the planet
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> well, yeah
[2:52] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[2:52] <Tachyon`> not that I'm particularly against sending some to .nz but bear in mind the likely postage, lol
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah
[2:53] <tntexplosivesltd> how much are the units each?
[2:53] <Tachyon`> before postage and assuming I don't get stiffed by the government they'll work out at about ?12 each + postage to you
[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty good, even with the postage
[2:54] <Tachyon`> they're quite light so the postage might not be too bad, particularly if you have your own 5v PSUs to hand
[2:54] <Tachyon`> as those will liekly be heavier than the unit, certainly bulkier
[2:54] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, it's definitely worth considering
[2:55] <Tachyon`> well, if you decide you want any, email hideki.adam@gmail.com with ZIPIT in the subject and mention how many
[2:55] <Tachyon`> and I'll email you when I'm ready to make the order
[2:56] <Tachyon`> they have internally TTL serial so should be easy to interface to the raspberry pi
[2:56] <Tachyon`> as a serial console
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> Before what date?
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> Financial issues...
[2:57] <Tachyon`> I'm probably going to order two weeks on wednesday
[2:57] <Tachyon`> so the 22nd
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> Ah - no problem then.
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm either getting several K of backpayment in benefits, or I need to further appeal soon.
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> So ...
[2:58] <Tachyon`> where are you?
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> Ffe.
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> Fife
[2:58] <Tachyon`> ah right
[2:58] <Tachyon`> fallen foul of ESA?
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[2:59] <SpeedEvil> DLA, actually.
[2:59] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> I've spent the last year reading several hundreds of pages of guidance, and caselaw.
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[2:59] <Tachyon`> I'm about to get stuck with an ATOS medical and ESA I think, should be fun -.-
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> Them _actually_reading_the_form_ would have been good in the first place.
[3:00] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: 3 tribunals in a row... each time unanymous descission for me... Pain in the arse it is.
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[3:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/m-06-11.pdf - current ESA descriptors.
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/decision-makers-guide/ - decision makers guides for all benefits. http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewcategory/1/ handy too.
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> And back to topic.
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> Just working out scripts and stuff to put on the pi.
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> Power-meter logging, et al.
[3:01] <Tachyon`> oh, handy
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> I got a free one from npower
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> which has a USB interface
[3:02] <Tachyon`> ahh, I got one of those from british gas, it has a USB interface but only for power I think
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> Check lsusb - mine has a pl2303 in there, and spits out serial
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[3:03] <SpeedEvil> is this a 'currentcost' meter (on the back)
[3:03] <Tachyon`> says Humm on teh back
[3:03] <Tachyon`> and British Gas Minim on the front
[3:04] <Tachyon`> my pandora doesn't detect it
[3:04] <Tachyon`> nothign at all on lsusb other than the hub
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[3:04] <SpeedEvil> Oh well.
[3:04] <Tachyon`> although it's quite choosey abotu what it detects at the best of times, lol
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> It's _almost_ good enough that I'm not planning to install a better one.
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> The silly thing is it could be so much better with code and 1p components.
[3:05] <Tachyon`> this one is fine really, it keeps a history on the device so I can see what I'm diong
[3:05] <tntexplosivesltd> what's all this ESA stuff?
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> The PSU is an AC PSU
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> It could trivially also use this PSU to measure phase, so it would be accurate for varying power factor, and can measure reverse powers even for those with solar.
[3:06] <tntexplosivesltd> ah I see what it is
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: Employment and Support Allowance. For those unable to work due to disability or illness.
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[6:25] <UnderSampled|tab> Hello
[6:32] <tntexplosivesltd> yo
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[6:38] <UnderSampled|tab> I've got an odd request. I am trying to make an anonymous facebook account (apparently facebook doesn't like those), and the service I'm creating it to use it for wants me to have three friends on the account. I don't want to just add completely random people from the internet, so I thought I'd ask here, as I would trust you guys more.
[6:38] <UnderSampled|tab> I know it's really ridiculous to ask, and that I wouldn't help someone with that question, but hey, might as well try
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[6:44] <UnderSampled|tab> I'm not really sure why I asked that here, sorry about that
[6:44] <UnderSampled|tab> very off topic :P
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[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't use facebook, so you're putta luck
[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> * outt
[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> a
[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't see why you'd want a facebook account
[6:45] <tntexplosivesltd> I'd say that the service you're looking at is a scam
[6:46] <UnderSampled|tab> tntexplosivesltd: it's a social video streaming service
[6:46] <UnderSampled|tab> it makes sense for their use
[6:46] <UnderSampled|tab> I just don't want to play by the rules
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[7:05] <SpeedEvil> So make four accounts
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[7:09] <tntexplosivesltd> UnderSampled|tab: why are you so interested in social media streaming?
[7:10] <UnderSampled|tab> tntexplosivesltd: I was going to play piano
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[7:10] <tntexplosivesltd> UnderSampled|tab: just use youtube =P
[7:10] <UnderSampled|tab> SpeedEvil: I tried that, but facebook wanted me to call me to see if I was human
[7:10] <UnderSampled|tab> tntexplosivesltd: yeah, I think I will
[7:11] <UnderSampled|tab> for some reason I find it easier to play live
[7:11] <UnderSampled|tab> but it is a smarter idea
[7:11] <UnderSampled|tab> and (apperently) less anonymity breaking
[7:12] <SpeedEvil> Well - there are sites where you can play piano naked.
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[7:12] <SpeedEvil> Would that work?
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[7:14] <tntexplosivesltd> facebook... anonymous... ._.
[7:14] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, hence the new account I guess
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[7:17] <UnderSampled|tab> well, anyway, I think I'll go to bed instead of selling my soul for free
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
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[7:22] <Soul_Est> UnderSampled|tab: good idea.
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[8:09] <MystX> Anyone else watching the 7s?
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[8:17] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: interested in getting a zipit2?
[8:17] <tntexplosivesltd> they're going cheap for the next few weeks
[8:17] <tntexplosivesltd> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit
[8:20] <MystX> na not really
[8:21] <tntexplosivesltd> like 12 pounds apparently
[8:21] <MystX> unless you can run arm stuff on it
[8:21] <tntexplosivesltd> it has an arm5
[8:21] <tntexplosivesltd> * ARMv5
[8:21] <Henchman21> looks fun
[8:22] <MystX> then maybe
[8:22] <Henchman21> could use it a a super mini laptop
[8:22] <Henchman21> http://www.amazon.com/ZIPIT-All-Wi-Fi-Messenger-Black/dp/B00115PR2O
[8:22] <Henchman21> its kind of cute
[8:23] <tntexplosivesltd> you can mod them to install a serial connection and stuff
[8:23] <MystX> is that where they're going cheap?
[8:24] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[8:24] <MystX> yeah i'd get one depending on shipping
[8:24] <tntexplosivesltd> http://linux.zipitwireless.com/
[8:25] <Henchman21> amazon was the only picture i found of the z2
[8:26] <Henchman21> but yeah looks like you can call em up and say youre a linux geek and want to develop/play with it
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> or e-mail or whatever
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> they're pretty light and sma,, so shipping will be small
[8:26] <tntexplosivesltd> * small
[8:27] <MystX> hmm, want
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[8:30] <MystX> i want a peek more, but shipping is difficult for both
[8:30] <MystX> I assume the Z2 guys want you to send them a label too
[8:30] <tntexplosivesltd> peek?
[8:31] <MystX> Actually na the z2 has 3x the clock speed
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[8:31] <MystX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peek_%28mobile_Internet_device%29#Technology
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[8:32] <MystX> They're going for free if you can send them a pre-paid shipping ticket
[8:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[8:32] <tntexplosivesltd> meh
[8:33] <tntexplosivesltd> looks too custon
[8:33] <tntexplosivesltd> * custom
[8:33] <tntexplosivesltd> can't put 'nix on it
[8:37] <MystX> gay
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[8:54] <MuNk> good morning
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[8:55] <MystX> Evening
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[9:06] <tntexplosivesltd> yo
[9:21] <MystX> Fail.org
[9:22] <MystX> You know you've failed when your php populates a piece of html with 'echo "sup";'
[9:28] <MystX> ugh cbf'd finshing this
[9:29] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
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[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> yay nz won the 7s
[9:56] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
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[10:11] <MystX> errors, errors everywhere
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[10:21] <MystX> yay tagging
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[10:25] <tntexplosivesltd> what, git tagging?
[10:25] <tntexplosivesltd> or upper hutt tagging?
[10:31] <MystX> neither
[10:31] <MystX> image tagging
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[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> boring
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> neo doesn't want a z2
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> "I don't see it as being useful"
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: what was the link to that blade?
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> Who needs useful!
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> The point is to collect it all!
[10:41] <tntexplosivesltd> exactly
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> On a related topic - I found my bag of 50 1-wire temperature sensors.
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> ... After losing it for a year, and buying 10 more
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[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> DS18B20s?
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> yes
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> they're pretty good
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> Basically to closely track temperatures throughout my house, to make sure airflow isn't going to unexpected places which will raise issues with condensation.
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> I'm in the process of ripping out walls.
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
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[11:04] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: can you go to http://netfra.me and flag is NSFW
[11:04] <MystX> plz
[11:04] <MystX> flag it*
[11:04] <theadmin> Does anyone actually want/plan to get a Model A at all?
[11:04] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: for a start clicking to show doesn't work =/
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> the NSFW works and it won't let me do it twice =D
[11:06] <MystX> =|
[11:06] <MystX> No it doesnt?
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> doesn't what?
[11:07] <MystX> doesnt let you do it twice
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> that's what I said
[11:07] <MystX> Oh
[11:07] <MystX> carry on
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> thank you
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time
[11:07] <tntexplosivesltd> NIGHT!!!!!!11!!one
[11:07] <theadmin> Hamster.s
[11:08] <theadmin> Hamsters.*
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> ._.
[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> theadmin: not getting an A
[11:08] <theadmin> tntexplosivesltd: Well duh... I just wonder if anyone wants them at all, seems way unlikely to me
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[11:08] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[11:08] <theadmin> Ethernet is critical. And sure, you could get an adapter but... point?
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: also neo says that no pics on the site work on android
[11:09] <tntexplosivesltd> might just be him
[11:10] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: it's just him yeah
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[11:11] <MystX> Its him
[11:12] <MystX> also there's no reason why showing the pic has stopped working =\
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: nsfw doesn't work on android
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> clocking the box does nothing
[11:12] <tntexplosivesltd> * clicking
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> oh yeah, bed time
[11:13] <tntexplosivesltd> laters
[11:13] <MystX> Jokes, fixed it
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[11:51] <CuriosTiger> Howdy all
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[13:02] <jake314> =O
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[13:31] <bampersand> Hey, i'm really interested in the RPi and ideally i'm wanting to use it for streaming my videos from my server. Most cartoons are avi so they'll be no problem but my dvd backups are iso, would I be able to play the iso (with menu support) and if so how would I select the menus? (eg what pointer device), thanks.
[13:32] <haltdef> not sure, but be aware you only have GPU acceleration for H.264, you'll be relying on the very slow ARM for anything else
[13:33] <haltdef> xbmc plus a usb remote might be your best bet
[13:33] <bampersand> does xbmc support dvd menus?
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[13:34] <haltdef> it runs on pretty much anything, the xbmc you run on your windows/linux/mac pc will be the same as on the pi so experiment :P
[13:34] <bampersand> heh
[13:34] <haltdef> never used it for real DVDs
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[13:35] <bampersand> When I used to backup my movies I used to just extract the actual film but I prefer having the menus now.
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> bampersand: consider if it will run OK on a PII/300
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> bampersand: that's about the level.
[13:36] <haltdef> I *think* the low resolution xvids in AVI containers you find will work just fine, as my 500mhz intel xscale phone with no real GPU used to be fine without
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> Probably.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> As long as the rescaling is done in hardware
[13:37] <DaQatz> SpeedEvil, Rpi will do considerably better then x86 300mhz
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> But expect some content to not play beyond slideshows.
[13:37] <DaQatz> Even on flat cpu.
[13:37] <haltdef> 10bit h.264 l5.1! :D
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> Do you have any benchmarks for the CPU DaQatz>?
[13:38] <haltdef> pretty sure my android phone has the same ARM core as the pi
[13:38] <DaQatz> SpeedEvil, you want arm11 benchmarks?
[13:39] <DaQatz> Arm11 compares near equally to x86, with a few execeptions.
[13:39] <haltdef> oh no, ARM1136EJ-S
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[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Some googling seems to indicate PII/300 will get a hair better than arm11@500
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[13:48] <SpeedEvil> In at least some benchmarks.
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> I only found dhrystone mentions.
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[13:48] <SpeedEvil> I should boot my PII/300 system, to check.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> But meh.
[13:49] <DaQatz> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/5/19/the-coming-war-arm-versus-x86.aspx?pageid=0
[13:50] <DaQatz> Arm11 vs a number of x86
[13:50] <DaQatz> Basically on is good at normal math (interger) and like all arms sucks at float.
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[14:00] <Henchman21> when did this become #cpu?
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> I made a comment that you should consider r-pi of the order of a PII/300 if you want to consider what stuff will run on it.
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> (if you cannot GPU accellerate/DSP)
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> If not quite accurate, it's within 20% or so.
[14:02] <Lerc> Wing commander ran on less :-)
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm perhaps also more dogmatic than usual, and less likely to leave things to lie, as I probably should, as I've been up since 4AM.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying it's a slow system for many tasks.
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Just that expecting 'modern' bloatware to run on it, even if it does happen to have enough RAM...
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[14:05] <DaQatz> SpeedEvil, Really it varies a lot. For example The OpenPandora which is an 800hmz arm can run a PS1 emu as well as 1.3 ghz x86.
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[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[14:06] <DaQatz> The same cpu would lag behind a 400mhz x86 with plain float
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[14:08] <SpeedEvil> I'm actually pondering replacing a laptop PII/300 with a pi.
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> For giggles.
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> So I've been thinking of this.
[14:08] <DaQatz> A desktop system?
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> No.
[14:09] <DaQatz> Rigging a pi to work as a laptop could be challenge. Though it should be doable.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> PII/300 laptop, 1.1Kg with 6 cell battery.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Mg/Al case, nice keyboard.
[14:09] <DaQatz> Main issue I see will be the screen interface.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> It's annoying.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering on swapping the display for an ipad one - which fits neatly.
[14:10] <rm> also it's not an USB keyboard in the laptop
[14:10] <ReggieUK> sightlight would be able to help
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Screen interfacing is a bit annoying.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> haha.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> rm: No, it's not.
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> rm: I would of course need a microcontroller, or maybe a GPIO expander.
[14:11] <ReggieUK> he does all kinds of special magic with schenatics
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Micro is probably the nicer way
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah.
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> This was the tracker interface I was mentioning yesterday for high altitude balloons.
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> One is up right now.
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Closing on 20km altitude
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[14:14] <Henchman21> i was looking at this zipit z2 could be a neat lil mini netbook
[14:14] <Henchman21> saw a youtube video of rockbox running on it
[14:14] <Henchman21> and doom
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> To a degree, yes.
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> It's more neat, and mini, than practical netbook. :)
[14:15] <Henchman21> all i need/want is wifi and /bin/bash
[14:15] <Henchman21> so i can hax0r into your gibs0n
[14:17] <Henchman21> your moms gibson*
[14:17] <Henchman21> i crack myself up
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[14:20] <SpeedEvil> Oh dear.
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Looks like it's gone a bit pear-shaped, and it's coming down over london.
[14:23] <haltdef> dad's just got an eee pad transformer prime
[14:23] <haltdef> such a waste having android on it, it'd be a beast with regular linux of some sort
[14:24] <haltdef> low power dual battery laptop with a detachable keyboard, quad core cortex a9
[14:24] <haltdef> I KNOW LET'S PUT A PHONE OS ON IT
[14:24] <haltdef> :(
[14:25] <Henchman21> how else will you play angry birds?
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[14:32] <ReggieUK> yeah, put linux on it then you can wait a year for decent drivers for X, Y or Z
[14:34] <slaeshjag> why would the drivers only be available for the android kernel?
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[14:35] <ReggieUK> lets, see, commercial phone, proprietary shenanigans, I make that FU oclock for everyone but the os it was released on?
[14:36] <Henchman21> proprietary driver blob
[14:37] <Henchman21> same with the pi's GPU blob
[14:37] <Henchman21> makes richard stallman cry
[14:37] <haltdef> hopefully we'll start seeing more general purpose ARM devices with win8
[14:38] <Henchman21> hopefully not
[14:38] <haltdef> drivers for windows, android and linux, install your favourite
[14:38] <ReggieUK> maybe but it'll be new arm chips
[14:38] <ReggieUK> won't be for arm 9 for instance
[14:38] <DaQatz> The GPU blob doesn't really bother me.
[14:38] <DaQatz> The Driver blob does though.
[14:38] <Henchman21> it should
[14:38] <ReggieUK> the gpu blob doesn't bother me either
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[14:39] <Henchman21> last thing i want on my linux computer is a fat32 filesystem with a dumb binary blob i cant touch
[14:39] <ReggieUK> sucks to be you when the pi comes out then?
[14:39] <haltdef> at least your rootfs can be whatever filesystem you want :P
[14:40] <ReggieUK> then again, moaning about it in an unofficial channel won't change anything
[14:40] <haltdef> moaning about it at all won't change anything
[14:40] <haltdef> that's how it is, get over it or get a pandaboard :P
[14:40] <Henchman21> shutvup
[14:40] * ReggieUK shouts 'can someone wheel out the dead horse, someone wants to beat it with stuff'
[14:41] <haltdef> I shall be getting over it and marvelling at how a ??20 computer is even possible
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[14:41] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, that horse is my private beating bag.
[14:41] <Henchman21> oh? all out of freedom? ok ill take tyranny
[14:41] <Henchman21> thats what you sound like
[14:41] <DaQatz> Damn tea pot is empty.
[14:42] <DaQatz> Must heat more water.
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[14:42] <ReggieUK> we had a spare horse out back DaQatz, I had it shot freshly for the unwashed masses
[14:42] <DaQatz> Ah
[14:42] <ReggieUK> [13:41] <Henchman21> oh? all out of freedom? ok ill take tyranny
[14:42] <ReggieUK> ahahahahahahaha
[14:42] <haltdef> he's a troll, stay calm
[14:42] <haltdef> Henchman21, windows 7 is awesome
[14:42] <ReggieUK> how about you make and release your own arm gpu
[14:42] <ReggieUK> that's right you can't
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> Win8 has specified that if you have an arm system supplied with win8 - it _CAN_NEVER_ run linux.
[14:43] <haltdef> yeah, that'll be worked around in a week, two at most :P
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> These sort of things should not be underestimated.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Errors in previous security architecture will at some point mean that people with actual clues are asked to design it.
[14:44] <Henchman21> haltdef: then go fondle bill gates
[14:44] <haltdef> mm
[14:44] <haltdef> I'd prefer just to use his company's software but if that's what you're into
[14:44] <haltdef> who am I to judge
[14:45] <Henchman21> i think its the other way around
[14:45] <Henchman21> hes using you
[14:45] <haltdef> ?
[14:47] * ReggieUK thinks Henchman21 comes from pen island
[14:49] <slaeshjag> haltdef: Remember that Windows 8 ARM devices won'r be able to run anything else :P
[14:50] <haltdef> meh
[14:51] <Henchman21> thats ok dont you know he's having a love affair with billy boy gates
[14:51] <Tobias|> ^ maturity at its finest
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> I misread that as goats.
[14:51] <DaQatz> Not sure the rpi will be able to run win8
[14:52] <ReggieUK> freudian misread SpeedEvil?
[14:52] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANUm4rebkfQ
[14:52] <Henchman21> which is funny cause bill gates wants to kill him
[14:52] <Tobias|> I would be very surprised if you weren't able to run linux on those machines within a year of release
[14:53] <Tobias|> The secure boot doesn't block non-Microsoft operating systems, it blocks non-signed operating systems
[14:53] <ReggieUK> oh god, it's a conspiracy twat video
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> Tobias|: That's true on non-ARM systems. On ARM, it can't run anything else if you want windows on it.
[14:54] <ReggieUK> what a fscking helmet
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> The user cannot repurpose it.
[14:55] <Tobias|> Yes they can
[14:55] <Tobias|> Provided they install a signed OS on it
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Which they cannot: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/01/14/0236244/microsoft-taking-aggressive-steps-against-linux-on-arm
[15:01] <Tobias|> Sensationalist posts on slashdot are not reputable sources
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/
[15:01] <Tobias|> Where does that say you cannot install linux?
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> Disabling Secure [Boot] MUST NOT be possible on ARM systems." [sic] Between these two requirements, any ARM device that ships with Windows 8 will never run another operating system, unless it is signed with a preloaded key or a security exploit is found that enables users to circumvent secure boot.
[15:02] <Tobias|> 'unless it is signed with a preloaded key'
[15:02] <Tobias|> As I said
[15:02] <Tobias|> You can run any signed OS you want
[15:02] <Tobias|> I would be absoloutely shocked if, for example, you could not put Android on these devices.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> A preloaded key.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> = a key that microsoft needs to preload on the device
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> It's of course technically possible that they will.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> But it seems quite unlikely.
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> The key is loaded into the device. A bootloader verifies the boot image against this preloaded key. If it is not verified it does not boot. In order to be signed with a preloaded key - in this sense - microsoft needs to sign the kernel you want to boot.
[15:11] <Henchman21> aka dont give scumsoft money
[15:27] <haltdef> I should try arch linux
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> Morning
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Mornign
[15:34] <IT_Sean> you've got your g and n keys crossed up there.
[15:34] * IT_Sean popes the G and N keys off of SpeedEvil's keyboard, and puts the G back where the N goes, and the N back where the G goes.
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Haha.
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> I actually have a canadian keyboard.
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> I use the US keymap, as I know it, and it's under the blankets anyway.
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[15:52] <hamitron> under the blankets? :|
[15:53] * hamitron doesn't want to know
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[15:55] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: A consequence of inadequate heating.
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: ~4C in here.
[15:55] <hamitron> ah :)
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[15:55] <hamitron> glad that was "cleaned" up
[15:56] <hamitron> ;/
[15:56] <hamitron> I got a room computer heated here
[15:56] <hamitron> although, I prefer to call it bitcoin heated
[15:57] <hamitron> a nice cozy 14 C
[15:57] <hamitron> :)
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[15:58] <CuriosTiger> that's chilly
[15:58] <CuriosTiger> I want at least 20C indoors.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I technically do have heating, but I can't really afford to run it, and save enough for insulation on the house.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> Hence electric blanket + blankets.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I'm actually too hot at the moment.
[16:00] <DaQatz> I replaced your browser with a .png that's a picture of google. I hope you don't mind.
[16:00] <CuriosTiger> if I end up in that situation, I'll move.
[16:00] <DaQatz> It doesn't leak and is very fast.
[16:00] <CuriosTiger> Being unable to afford necessities does not sound like fun.
[16:01] <DaQatz> Water freezes in my bedroom.
[16:01] <hamitron> well, I find it ok down to 8-10C
[16:01] <hamitron> :)
[16:01] <DaQatz> Does that count as not nice?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> CuriosTiger: Unable to move - and once I have the insulation fixed, it should be economical to heat.
[16:01] <CuriosTiger> DaQuatz: Yes.
[16:01] <CuriosTiger> SpeedEvil: Where do you live?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Fife.
[16:01] <CuriosTiger> as in the scottish island?
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> It's off the right-hand side of the main bit of scotland
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> It is not an island
[16:02] <hamitron> where you from CuriosTiger?
[16:03] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: my sister and steep-father are off the lefthand side
[16:03] <ukscone> e.g. lewis
[16:03] <CuriosTiger> SpeedEvil: My bad.
[16:04] <CuriosTiger> I should've known that, as I went across the Tay bridge from Dundee in October
[16:04] <CuriosTiger> :/
[16:04] * IT_Sean is ducking into town for a few errands
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[16:06] * hamitron offers SpeedEvil coffee
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Thanks.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Trying to stay up till a more normal time tonight.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Woke up at 3AM.
[16:07] <hamitron> my method of warming up :)
[16:07] <hamitron> erm, you go to bed early? :|
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> Sleep cycle is a bit broken
[16:07] <hamitron> :/
[16:07] <hamitron> mine always is
[16:08] <hamitron> then rl kicks me
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> At the moment, I'm computing from the sofa, on an electric blanket.
[16:08] <hamitron> and I am near death ;)
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> I'm not actually trying to go to sleep.
[16:08] <Aquilus_> So...
[16:08] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet? :p
[16:08] * PiBot slaps Aquilus_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[16:08] <drbenway> When the pi comes out how quickly do you think it will sell out?
[16:08] <hamitron> I hope the bot says "yes", once it is
[16:08] <hamitron> ;/
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[16:08] <mjr> oh about two hours?
[16:09] <CuriosTiger> that long?
[16:09] <CuriosTiger> :P
[16:09] <mjr> was there a mailing list to order by the way where it'll be announced?
[16:09] <hamitron> I doubt the website will process orders that quickly?
[16:10] <hamitron> I think they should start selling at 7am.... then those that get out of bed get first chance
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[16:10] <hamitron> :)
[16:11] <mjr> there's a thing called time zones
[16:11] <hamitron> indeed
[16:11] <hamitron> but I'd guess most are in Europe?
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[16:14] <mjr> well, 7 am British time would be 9 here... that's almost decent, so that's okay ;)
[16:14] <hamitron> yeh
[16:14] <hamitron> so needs to be 6am
[16:14] <hamitron> ;)
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> As long as it's not before 7AM+5.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> (GMT)
[16:15] <hamitron> and it should be put on sale, without warning
[16:15] <hamitron> just an email, once on sale
[16:15] <hamitron> :)
[16:16] <hamitron> tbh, if it was 7am, I'd have left for work and miss it
[16:16] <hamitron> :/
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Err
[16:16] <hamitron> but not hugely worried about getting one of the first batch myself
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Not after, I mean
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[16:16] <SpeedEvil> As then the US wakes up
[16:17] <hamitron> boom? ;)
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[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Hah.
[16:39] <CuriosTiger> http://satwcomic.com/
[16:39] <CuriosTiger> I LOLed at that.
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Second launch of the day ended in the sea, and is now being blown towards land
[16:40] <IT_Sean> CuriosTiger, lol
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[17:02] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: Still no news about raspberry?
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[17:04] <IT_Sean> Hopsy. Go to the website. Read the website. Then come back here and tell me if there is any new news.
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[17:05] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[17:05] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[17:09] <Hopsy> Thorn_: Raspbmc announced: an XBMC for Raspberry Pi
[17:09] <Hopsy> did you know that?
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[17:19] <IT_Sean> Hopsy, yes. i did. And do you know why? 'cause i read it ON THE BLOODY WEBSITE!.
[17:19] <IT_Sean> :p
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[17:20] <Hopsy> And, did you find the releasedate as well? :')
[17:22] <Henchman21> couple weeks give or take
[17:22] <Henchman21> its like the cable guy he comes when he comes
[17:22] <pitz> lol
[17:22] <Henchman21> ussually when youre taking a bath
[17:23] <pitz> will 10,000 be enough?
[17:23] <Henchman21> usually
[17:23] <Henchman21> ask the magic 8-ball
[17:23] <pitz> kinky
[17:23] <Henchman21> mines says concentrate and ask again
[17:24] <pitz> i need a device like this desperately though... the GPIO's are on the board, right? not soldered in, but still with pads?
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[17:25] <Henchman21> seeing as how they wont be letting people buy more than one this first run i'd think 10k should be enough to go around but i have no idea how many want one, i bet if we could get an inside to tell us the amount of emails in the mailing list...
[17:26] <Henchman21> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[17:26] <Thorn_> Henchman21: >50k
[17:26] <Henchman21> my bad
[17:27] <Henchman21> be it pads or pins it shouldnt be too hard to interface with
[17:27] <Thorn_> >50k users on the mailing list as of december iirc
[17:28] <Henchman21> jesus really?
[17:28] <Thorn_> it's somewhere on the forum
[17:28] <Thorn_> i believe mdavey also knows the number but he is not currently here
[17:29] <ukscone> last i heard (forum post by jamesh last week) it was 95K people on the mailing list
[17:29] <Henchman21> wheres my internet tent, ill need to sit here refreshing the store checking email with macros to fillout my address and CC#
[17:29] <Thorn_> 95k then
[17:29] <Thorn_> even less chance of getting one :>
[17:29] * IT_Sean pokes his linux install, and watches a few lines scroll up the display
[17:30] <pitz> yeah so if 95k ppl take 2 or 3 a piece....
[17:30] <ukscone> Thorn_: you have no chance anyway -- your IP addy & email address has been blocked from receiving notifications and blacklisted at the store
[17:30] <IT_Sean> Aye... wot 'e said.
[17:30] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[17:30] * PiBot slaps Thorn_ across the face with a cast iron pan.
[17:31] <ukscone> Thorn_: IT_Sean asked liz to allocate your raspi allocation to him
[17:31] <Henchman21> i guess its no bigy to wait till subsequent runs
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Yup. I'm getting 2! :p
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Woohoo! xbmc installing :D
[17:31] <Henchman21> maybe see some revision changes
[17:31] <ukscone> IT_Sean: only two? i have been allocated 7
[17:32] <IT_Sean> ukscone, only because you are a monumental kissarse
[17:32] <ukscone> IT_Sean: yeah of course i am that way I get what I want :)
[17:32] <ukscone> flattery will get you anything you want if you do it right
[17:33] <Henchman21> i see your knees are red
[17:33] <Henchman21> i dont want one that badly
[17:34] <ukscone> Henchman21: ok i'll have yours then. ok that makes 8
[17:34] <Henchman21> you make me sick
[17:35] <ukscone> Henchman21: i make myself sick sometimes too. but when needs must
[17:35] <Henchman21> i suddenly dont want the same device in my house you'll have
[17:36] <ukscone> Henchman21: ok now lwts see. i have a laptop, couple of desktops, a tv, a frdige, stove, bed, oven..... you'd better get shifting that stuff out immediatly
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[17:38] <Henchman21> yeah but they arent the same
[17:39] <ukscone> of course they are. they all contain the same molecules so similar enough
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[17:43] <ukscone> ok NEVER doing that again.
[17:44] <ukscone> was just looking under my son's bed for a couple of empty boxes and there is a cereal bowl under there with something growing in it and i'm sure i saw the bowl move 6 inches on it's own
[17:45] <ukscone> i don't think i need the boxes THAT badly and i really don't think i need to know what is growing in that bowl
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[18:07] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[18:07] * PiBot slaps mrdragons across the face with a cast iron pan.
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[18:49] * IT_Sean throws a 64mb flash drive at ukscone
[18:54] <ukscone> thanks but could you make it 5 8meg ones please as i need some more for my ms-dos bootable drives
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[19:04] <IT_Sean> nyet
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[20:12] <IT_Sean> Whelp... Two days and a trip to the electronics retailer later, and the media center is running linux & xbmc
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[21:57] * originalcat is now known as CuriosCat
[21:58] <pitz> so is raspberry pi really going to end up being a replacement to the beagleboard platform?
[21:58] <haltdef> it could be for some cases
[21:59] <haltdef> beagleboards are far more powerful though
[21:59] <haltdef> pandaboards even more so iirc
[22:00] <pitz> 600MHz ARM / 128mb is more powerful than the rpi?
[22:00] <haltdef> I wasn't aware of a beagleboard with those specs
[22:01] <pitz> thats what en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeagleBoard says
[22:01] <haltdef> also, "ARM" is kinda vague, the raspberry pi is ARM11, beagleboards are cortex A8, which is much faster at the same clock speed
[22:01] <haltdef> argh unclickable links :P
[22:01] <pitz> yeah pandaboard blows it away obviously
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[22:03] <haltdef> 600mhz/128MB is an old version it seems
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[22:06] <Hopsy> pitz: pandaboard is faster?
[22:08] <haltdef> even the old version is faster
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[22:13] <victhor> some people are in for a BIG surprise when they get a pi... not a good one :)
[22:13] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:15] <haltdef> I think it'll handle znc just fine :P
[22:16] <Ben64> its $35
[22:16] <Ben64> can't beat that
[22:21] * hamitron offers Ben64 a pack of 10 resistors
[22:22] <hamitron> beaten :)
[22:22] <Ben64> but 10 resistors won't play 1080p
[22:23] <hamitron> tbh, neither will my monitor :(
[22:23] <Ben64> same here, but i can do 720p :)
[22:23] * IT_Sean dumps a bucket of burned out resistors over Ben64's head
[22:24] <hamitron> shame on you IT_Sean
[22:24] <hamitron> how did you burn so many? :/
[22:24] <Ben64> i want to get a 2nd pi for my car
[22:24] <IT_Sean> I didn't
[22:24] <Ben64> wire it up for sound and awesomeness
[22:24] <Ben64> only problem... car->usb adapters all suck
[22:25] <hamitron> that thing Tachyon` is maybe getting appears more for me tbh
[22:26] <hamitron> Ben64, won't you use the pi to make a replacement in car stereo?
[22:26] <hamitron> rather than link up by usb
[22:26] <Ben64> i mean for power
[22:27] <Ben64> all adapters i've seen tend to burn up >500ma
[22:27] <Ben64> and doesn't the pi need more like 1a?
[22:27] <hamitron> no sure
[22:27] <hamitron> assume you'll get the model A
[22:27] <Tachyon`> B
[22:28] <Tachyon`> all B
[22:28] <Tachyon`> no A in initial run
[22:28] <hamitron> I mean the model A for his 2nd device
[22:28] <hamitron> :)
[22:28] <Tachyon`> ahh
[22:28] <Ben64> does A use less power?
[22:28] <hamitron> it will do
[22:28] <Tachyon`> slightly, probably not mcuh in it
[22:28] <hamitron> ^
[22:28] <hamitron> maybe worth checking
[22:29] <hamitron> ethernet is hardly a bad place to start, cutting stuff off for a car
[22:29] <Tachyon`> I doubt the difference is even 10%, wired net and RAM don't eat much compared to a CPU
[22:29] <hamitron> unless you have no license and stay parked in your garage
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[22:30] <Ben64> and i'm not sure how the pi would react to having its power cut off suddenly
[22:30] <Tachyon`> it's designed to be very low power device, the 1A is proabbly bearing in mind USB devices
[22:30] <Tachyon`> if you don't have any, you can probably get away with less
[22:30] <hamitron> 500mA vs 700mA
[22:30] <hamitron> A vs B
[22:30] <hamitron> according to wiki
[22:30] <Ben64> max draw?
[22:31] <hamitron> Power ratings (provisional, from alpha board):
[22:31] <Tachyon`> don't see how they can know that given there's not been an A to test yet but okay, lol
[22:31] <Ben64> i'm wondering idle power
[22:31] <Ben64> the power adapters can handle >500 for a short time, but everything starts heating up too fast
[22:32] <Tachyon`> my pandora can do 12 hours on a charge
[22:32] <Tachyon`> with the display on but at a slightly reduced brightness
[22:32] <Tachyon`> and wifi off
[22:32] <Tachyon`> these chipsets really are very efficient
[22:32] <Ben64> pandora?
[22:32] <Tachyon`> www.openpandora.org
[22:33] <hamitron> bit pricey :/
[22:33] <CuriosTiger> Ben64: I'm still undecided on what to do for a combined audio system, nav system and car computer for my truck.
[22:33] <Ben64> CuriosTiger: rpi!
[22:33] <CuriosTiger> but I think it will go a bit beyond a Pi, mostly for connectivity reasons
[22:33] <Ben64> you could get an lcd hooked up to it
[22:34] <CuriosTiger> Yes, but I don't really have a high-speed input interface.
[22:34] <CuriosTiger> no usb3, no firewire, no eSata
[22:34] <Ben64> why would you need that
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[22:34] <Tachyon`> what, 480mbit isn't fast enough for you?
[22:34] <Ben64> what he said ^
[22:35] <hamitron> my latest comp has USB 3.0, and got all excited at first.... but not really worth much
[22:35] <hamitron> :)
[22:35] <CuriosTiger> Well, I suppose the Pi *can* support 1080p streaming
[22:35] <Ben64> usb3.0 is good for getting full speed out of an external drive
[22:35] <Ben64> not good for much else
[22:36] <Ben64> external hard drive*
[22:36] <Ben64> flash drives are still way slow
[22:36] <CuriosTiger> ben64: The fastest data stream a system like this would need to support is 1080p video to a built-in LCD screen somewhere, I suppose
[22:36] <mjr> hmm, I don't actually have a microusb power source... wonder if I should get an adapter thingy or just a new wart
[22:36] <DaQatz> Ben64, Nah I NEED usb3 for my awesome mouse!
[22:36] <CuriosTiger> I was thinking SSD as a data source.
[22:37] <haltdef> you can buy a usb3 flash drive with a proper SSD controller in it
[22:37] <Ben64> 1080p video is about 1.6MB/s
[22:37] <Ben64> usb2.0 is about 40MB/s
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[22:45] <Thorn_> 1080p video is about 160MB/s
[22:47] <CuriosTiger> which is more than USB 2.0 can handle
[22:47] <CuriosTiger> so how does the Pi do 1080p streaming?
[22:47] <CuriosTiger> buffering will only get you so far with 512MB RAM
[22:48] <CuriosTiger> Is the SD card slot connected directly to some CPU bus?
[22:48] <Thorn_> 1) i pulled the 160 out of my ass but its definitely higher than 1.6
[22:48] <Thorn_> 2) it's not 512MB but 128/256 for model A/model B respectively
[22:48] <Thorn_> ;p
[22:48] <CuriosTiger> Oh, I thought it was 256/512
[22:48] <CuriosTiger> my bad.
[22:49] <CuriosTiger> as for 1), I don't know the figure, and I'm not inclined to figure out the math, that's why I asked. So *smack* for pulling the figure out of your ass.
[22:50] <Thorn_> i never read your previous statement - i simply pulled that figure out my ass because Ben64 said 1.6 which was obviously too low
[22:50] <CuriosTiger> Well, now go figure out the actual number.
[22:50] <Hopsy> so, when can we buy it :')
[22:50] <Thorn_> 1.6MB/s seems accurate for 720p
[22:51] <ukscone> ok an Algol68 interpreter built for the raspi
[22:51] <ukscone> so we have our beginners programming language now
[22:51] <Thorn_> have you got mono working yet so people can learn on vb.net?
[22:51] * Thorn_ ducks
[22:52] * WASDx goose
[22:52] <CuriosTiger> Wikipedia seems to claim that 1080p non-interlaced signals require bandwidth in the gigabit/sec range.
[22:52] <ukscone> Thorn_: i think mono is actually in the arm fedora rootfs or at least yumable
[22:52] <victhor> that's obviously for a uncompressed signal
[22:52] <CuriosTiger> but that's uncompressed.
[22:52] <CuriosTiger> yes
[22:52] <WASDx> You can calculate it yourself
[22:52] <victhor> compressed video such as H.264 will use a lot less bandwidth
[22:52] <Thorn_> look for h264 figures if you want to find a reasonable number
[22:53] <WASDx> 1920x1080 pixeles at 3(?) bytes each at 30 times per second
[22:53] <Thorn_> 30fps?
[22:54] <WASDx> or 60
[22:54] <CuriosTiger> that leaves you at 1.43 gigabits/sec
[22:54] <Thorn_> isn't it still tv 24fps ?
[22:54] <WASDx> don't know really
[22:54] <CuriosTiger> Thorn_: That depends on whether you're streaming an NTSC or PAL signal.
[22:54] <WASDx> i just assumed the math worked that way
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[22:54] <CuriosTiger> I don't quite know how the math works, but your approach sounds reasonable.
[22:55] <CuriosTiger> However, even if the signal can be compressed by 50%, you're still going to need more than USB2.0
[22:55] <Thorn_> it's far more than 50%
[22:55] <Thorn_> it's more like 98%
[22:55] <CuriosTiger> and the problem with H264 is that the compression rate, and thus the bandwidth requirements, vary by content
[22:55] <victhor> I used this http://stardot.com/bandwidth-and-storage-calculator
[22:55] <CuriosTiger> Thorn_: 98% sounds feasible if you're showing a static image of a green screen.
[22:56] <CuriosTiger> otherwise, it sounds ridiculous.
[22:56] <Thorn_> well work it out for yourself
[22:56] <victhor> with a frame size of 50 KB (that's too big no?) at 30 fps it gives out 12 Mbps, so it will work on USB2.0
[22:56] <Thorn_> 1280x720 raw (work it out)
[22:56] <Thorn_> vs 1.6MB/s for h264 1280x720
[22:56] <CuriosTiger> thing is, I don't believe that 1.6 MB/sec figure.
[22:56] <rm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Recording_speed
[22:56] <Thorn_> then go play with an encoder ;p
[22:56] <rm> Blu Ray disk is 32 Mbit/sec
[22:57] <rm> and that's it
[22:57] <rm> that fits 1920x1080x30fps
[22:57] <rm> oops 36*
[22:57] <victhor> I think that 12 Mbps is too high actually. The frame size of 50 KB is too large
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[22:59] <CuriosTiger> the bluray figure of 36 Mbit/sec (or a bit less than 5 MByte/sec) sounds lower than I would've expected, but believable.
[22:59] <CuriosTiger> WHen I actually get my hands on a Pi, I'll be giving it a shot :)
[22:59] <Thorn_> that's bit
[22:59] <victhor> but that's maximum read speed, not video bandwidth
[22:59] <Thorn_> so 36Mbit/sec == 4.5MB/s
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[23:00] <victhor> still it isn't enough to, at least theoretically, saturate a USB 2.0
[23:00] <CuriosTiger> victhor: No, that would fit within USB 2.0
[23:00] <CuriosTiger> which would be a pleasant surprise.
[23:00] <CuriosTiger> victhor: Actually, that's minimum read speed.
[23:01] <CuriosTiger> (sequential)
[23:01] <CuriosTiger> but you don't need anything more than that to watch video.
[23:01] <victhor> yeah. Unless it's 4K... :P
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[23:01] <Thorn_> if its 4K then you have bigger problems trying to play it on a pi :P
[23:02] <victhor> and yes the SD interface is dedicated, not connected to USB
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[23:04] <CuriosTiger> How does it connect to the CPU? Directly to some sort of CPU bus, or is there an actual SD controller chip squeezed in there?
[23:04] <CuriosTiger> or does it do anything even wackier like connect via the GPU?
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[23:06] <victhor> there is a SD controller
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[23:15] * mjr grabbed a couple of mini-usb to micro-usb adapters from dealextreme, can use my ol' openmoko charger
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[23:34] <octeris> status report?
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[23:56] <LiENUS> he took the pre order money and went to mexico
[23:56] <smw> LiENUS, who did?
[23:56] <LiENUS> eben
[23:57] <smw> who is he? He took pre-orders for RP?
[23:57] <LiENUS> ...
[23:58] <smw> sorry, apparently coming in in the middle of a conversation :-P
[23:58] <LiENUS> eben is the hnic
[23:58] * smw has no idea what hnic is...
[23:59] <LiENUS> head ninja in charge
[23:59] <smw> nor is google being helpful
[23:59] <smw> ...

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