#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-02-08

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[0:00] <genbattle> given when they're expecting the boards to arrive by, and the two weeks delay waiting for parts and chinese new year
[0:01] <genbattle> hopefully the next revision they'll at least double or triple the production capacity, or at least start chaining 10k runs
[0:01] <traeak> i would assume that factory is constantly filling orders and the rpi had to get in line
[0:01] <traeak> and there's probably the stuff like programming the machines, etc
[0:02] <traeak> although i know the tools out there probably do this already
[0:02] <genbattle> true, they would probably have to move to a different production facility to ramp up production at all
[0:02] <traeak> perhaps get eben to go over this
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[0:03] <genbattle> i wonder how far ahead they had to book this initial run, and whether they've booked any further runs already
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> WOO HOO
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> GOT MY PI
[0:03] <genbattle> maybe they're just waiting to see what the fallout from the first run is like
[0:03] <genbattle> congrats
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> oh sorry
[0:03] <xlq> RITRedbeard: Whowhathowwhy?
[0:03] <genbattle> is it one of the beta units or something?
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> no
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> I lied.
[0:04] <xlq> Bother.
[0:04] <genbattle> lol
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> Because I promised I'd get my nephew one.
[0:04] <genbattle> way to get our hopes up
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> He has fourth stage terminal leukemia
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> he will never see a raspberry pi
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> and there is only one person to blame for this
[0:04] <RITRedbeard> the illuminati
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> including but not limited to the congregation consisting of Kurt Cobain, Eben, and Big Foot.
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[0:05] <RITRedbeard> I have no idea, I've been up like 30 hours.
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> and I just got two free hard drives
[0:05] <wirehead> your story is bad and you should feel bad
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> and I realized my income tax return is going to be fat as a hat
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> yeah, I'm sorry
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> :(
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> Although God has cancer. God is a tea drinker. Didn't you know?
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-09/news/30609470_1_black-sabbath-iron-man-tony-iommi
[0:07] <RITRedbeard> The best thing from Britian and Brum bar none.
[0:07] <RITRedbeard> Clapton and Page cry themselves to sleep at night.
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[0:09] <RITRedbeard> On a related topic, on the Model B, are the two USB ports on seperate buses or do they share the bandwidth between them?
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[0:10] <Ben64> its an internal hub
[0:11] <RITRedbeard> it sure would be nice to put rootfs on its own with one of the 6GB Hitachi microdrives
[0:11] <RITRedbeard> :(
[0:11] <Ben64> don't be :(
[0:11] <RITRedbeard> ):
[0:11] <haltdef> wouldn't a high end SD be faster?
[0:12] <haltdef> higher capacity too
[0:12] <xlq> So the bandwidth is shared then.
[0:12] <RITRedbeard> depends
[0:12] <haltdef> fastest SD I've seen does 1.6MB/s random writes
[0:12] <RITRedbeard> I think the microdrive is 3600RPM, Ultra ATA 33
[0:12] <RITRedbeard> so maybe
[0:12] <haltdef> quite a bit quicker than a 7200rpm spinner
[0:13] <RITRedbeard> how about sequential?
[0:13] <haltdef> fastest SD I have does 30 read 10 write
[0:13] <haltdef> 30 sounds high, I may have made that up
[0:14] <Ben64> 30 is possible
[0:15] <RITRedbeard> which drive?
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[0:16] <mrdragons> I read microdrive as microwave
[0:17] <mrdragons> Needless to say I wtf'd for about 5 seconds
[0:17] <haltdef> I remember eying one up for my dell axim with a CF slot :P
[0:17] <RITRedbeard> hmmm are you talking USB flash or CF?
[0:17] <haltdef> for what?
[0:17] <RITRedbeard> 1.6MB/s random write
[0:18] <haltdef> that was a microsd, it was at the top of a table of SD card performance somewhere
[0:18] <Ben64> would be better to just get a 2.5" hard drive
[0:18] <RITRedbeard> that is respectable for something what is essentially a modern VT100 with bells and whistles... well, more than that, but you get the idea
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[1:00] <MystX> So get a usb 2.5" drive instead of using SD?
[1:01] <MystX> Im going to need at least 2-3MB/s
[1:01] <MystX> Sequential write
[1:01] <MystX> Oh i guess an SD would be alright for that. But need some space too
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[1:02] <RITRedbeard> Get a prostitute.
[1:02] <RITRedbeard> MystX, LVDS circuit work?
[1:03] <MystX> Well. No, but i suspect the panel
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> I suspect the military intelligence.
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> Two words combined that cannot make sense.
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[1:04] <MystX> Yeah i need to get another panel
[1:05] <MystX> But the only other one i have is 2 hours drive away
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> get a thinkpad panel
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> thanks
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> much love
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> xoxoxo
[1:06] <MystX> You could sent me one
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> and then you can mix up more tenses
[1:10] <RITRedbeard> i could have sent you one I could have
[1:10] <RITRedbeard> Had I?
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[1:12] <RITRedbeard> GTK+ hates me and the feeling is mutual.
[1:12] <MystX> what
[1:12] <RITRedbeard> Hm?
[1:12] <MystX> you could send me one*
[1:12] <MystX> there
[1:13] <RITRedbeard> Don't you live in Tea Land?
[1:13] <mrdragons> Go back to qt you blasphemer
[1:13] <MystX> Teal Land? no
[1:13] <MystX> Tea*
[1:13] <MystX> fuc
[1:13] <MystX> Bother*
[1:13] <RITRedbeard> TEAL
[1:13] <RITRedbeard> Haha.
[1:13] <RITRedbeard> Come to New Jersey.
[1:14] <RITRedbeard> You can have one.
[1:14] <MystX> Too far
[1:14] <RITRedbeard> Fair enough.
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[1:19] <wiiguy> what does it say here for you guys ? > http://www.raspberrypi.org/feed
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> It says
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> ...etc etc etc
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[1:20] <RITRedbeard> <p style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold;">You Lost The Game.</p>
[1:21] <wiiguy> im not asking about the source code ...
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> They banned me because I was bad mouthing tea drinkers. :O
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[1:21] <wiiguy> ah for a sec it said i was banned
[1:21] <wiiguy> but now it works again :/
[1:22] <wiiguy> weird
[1:22] <merlin1991> hehe
[1:22] <merlin1991> load balancing and anti ddos went m00t for a min maybe?
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[1:23] <wiiguy> that or my 10 min refresh on rss is too fast :/
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[1:23] <wiiguy> though im pretty sure soem peopel have it on 1 min ...
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[2:15] <MystX> Well why doesnt everyone just part/join then
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[4:41] <IT_Sean> whoever is responsible for seat design at Nissan should be shot in the arse
[4:43] * IT_Sean looks around
[4:44] <mrdragons> Ssh, everyone be quiet!
[4:47] <IT_Sean> ?
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[5:47] <rm> boooooooooooooooring
[5:47] <rm> it was more fun when 'it' could have been 'out' every day
[5:47] <rm> and now nothing to wait for until at least 20th
[5:48] <rm> other than the bad news that it's slipping to march
[5:48] <mrdragons> It's vaporware anyways.
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[6:53] <EiNSTeiN_> mrdragons, not
[6:53] <EiNSTeiN_> mrdragons, they made a small test batch already
[6:53] <EiNSTeiN_> so by definition it's not vaporware
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[6:57] <rm> definitely vapourware
[6:57] <rm> they will release 10pcs once a year
[6:57] <rm> on ebay
[6:57] <rm> and laugh all the way to the bank! :)
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[7:13] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[7:14] <tntexplosivesltd> yay
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[7:30] <tntexplosivesltd> yay server move successful
[7:38] <LiENUS> ugh my sorny blu-ray player broke
[7:38] <LiENUS> and its like 3 months old
[7:39] <DaMummy|PND> check for recalls
[7:40] <tntexplosivesltd> loool
[7:40] <tntexplosivesltd> sonny ftw
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[8:40] <smw> is it out yet?
[8:40] <PiBot> smw: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[8:40] <smw> no pan?
[8:44] <koaschten> no pan
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[8:46] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh, the tables are turned
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[9:28] <ahven> "Interesting article. I had to translate some of it to American, but I think I?ve got it."
[9:28] <ahven> like BE and AE are so different from eachother :P
[9:28] <ahven> (last blog post comment quote)
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[9:30] <tntexplosivesltd> be and ae?
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[9:31] <drazyl> English and American
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[9:31] <drazyl> "(British) English, American English"
[9:32] <drazyl> altho on this side of the pond we would argue there is no need to specify British English, it is just English
[9:33] <tntexplosivesltd> heh, what had to be translated?
[9:33] <ahven> that's the joke: I don't know either :)
[9:33] <tntexplosivesltd> having to translate implies naievity =3
[9:34] <tntexplosivesltd> * naivity
[9:34] <smw> drazyl, I can see that. Just like we Jews do not believe we read from the _old_ testament.
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[9:38] <jzu> http://mov.dx.cx/main/ukus_text.html :-)
[9:41] <drazyl> smw :)
[9:42] <smw> drazyl, but as an American, you have to specify it is British :-P
[9:43] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[9:43] <tntexplosivesltd> you mean normal
[9:43] <tntexplosivesltd> there's english, then american english
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[9:45] <DaMummy|PND> fo shizzle
[9:45] <tero> how abou international english? :)
[9:45] <tero> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_English
[9:46] <drazyl> sounds like an excuse for people who can't speak proper English :)
[9:47] <smw> drazyl, or perhaps people who want to define proper?
[9:47] <jzu> don't forget http://www.engrish.com/
[9:48] <drazyl> proper is quite simple, it is technically "the Queen's English"
[9:48] <drazyl> everything else is a dialect
[9:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:48] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Wed Feb 8 08:20:00 2012. Temp -2??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 80%, Later 2??C - -2??C. Condition: Clear.
[9:50] <smw> drazyl, how many people speak english in the UK?
[9:51] <drazyl> 2 or 3
[9:51] <smw> drazyl, I can think of 300,000,000 people who think American English is better :-P
[9:51] <drazyl> the rest just grunt
[9:51] <drazyl> yeah, but they don't know any better, the poor souls
[9:52] <grindhold> i came for the raspi chanel. looks like i landed in a linguistics conference oO
[9:52] <drazyl> he started it! :)
[9:53] <smw> drazyl, come to ##english for a real debate!
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> 4 million here, if you need us
[9:55] <tntexplosivesltd> then there's australia
[9:56] <drazyl> tntexplosidesltd - wheres here?
[9:57] <tntexplosivesltd> nz
[9:57] <tntexplosivesltd> new zealand
[9:57] <drazyl> sok, we know what nz is :)
[9:57] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[9:57] <drazyl> "the country formally known as hobbiton" or something? :)
[9:57] <tntexplosivesltd> was catering for the americans
[9:58] <tntexplosivesltd> who more commonly know us as "where...?"
[9:58] <ahven> grindhold: what else todo when the device isn't out yet for the general public :)
[9:59] <drazyl> if you can't enjoy a bit of international banter on random subjects with like-minded people here...
[10:00] <grindhold> ahven: draw CAD for the devices you want to build. plan expansionboards. programm ALL the code :P
[10:00] <tntexplosivesltd> that takes time though
[10:00] <drazyl> and whilst you are waiting for it to comple/render/print
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[10:01] <grindhold> drazyl got a point there :|
[10:02] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
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[10:19] <tntexplosivesltd> wow, die hard 4 is terrible
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[10:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> so is 2 & 3
[10:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> well .... 2 is not too bad
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[10:34] <rm> aw come on
[10:35] <rm> just don't forget to turn off brain before watching
[10:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> true true
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> but 4 takes the cake
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> although it's like most "hacker" movies
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> utter bullshit
[10:37] <rm> I enjoyed ones about the skyscraper and about the airport
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> the first and second?
[10:38] <rm> maybe
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> the first was pretty good
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> with hans kruger?
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[10:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hard_(franchise)
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> so I was right
[10:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> like always
[10:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> was eaasier to just post the wikipedia link
[10:41] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> tntexplosivesltd - what is your estimated shipment date then
[10:41] <tntexplosivesltd> 6th march
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[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> give or take 2 days >.>
[10:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> if I am right, I will be happy
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[11:03] <Davespice> good morning folks
[11:03] <drazyl> morning
[11:04] <Davespice> can't help but love that post by the mysterious Clive on the front page :)
[11:05] <drazyl> I think we have a new hero
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[11:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> +1
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[12:05] <aditsu> hi, I just heard about the RPi and I'm quite excited
[12:06] <aditsu> I'm thinking it could be even better if the RCA connector was removed and the SD card was changed to microSD, have these things been discussed?
[12:06] <rm> we all are :P for the past 6(?) months
[12:07] <rm> well, personally I don't get what you gain by removing stuff (the RCA connector); which is useful for stuff like: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/idea-a-cheap-colour-lcd-for-r-pi-only-22-60
[12:08] <rm> and by changing to microSD; there are microSD-to-SD adaptors for like $0.3, and having a smaller card socket wouldn't help to reduce the board size anyway
[12:08] <aditsu> does that lcd use an RCA connector?
[12:08] <Henchman21> but it would remove the possibility of sdcards :P
[12:09] <rm> these displays linked there all use the AV connector via RCA
[12:09] <aditsu> no digital input?
[12:10] <rm> nope
[12:10] <Caver> I think part of the reason for going for SD and not microSD, was to make it more durable - handy with kids using it
[12:10] <mjr> yeah SD cards are cheaper (and/or faster for the same dough and capacity), so having a full size SD slot is good
[12:10] <rm> also, the point is to have it pluggable into any old TV
[12:10] <Henchman21> 320x240 jeez my cellphone is better than that
[12:10] <mjr> Caver, that's also a good point
[12:10] <Caver> and anyway you can get converters
[12:10] <haltdef> you're still maintaining compatibility with any microsds lying around too
[12:10] <aditsu> alright, I guess it makes sense then
[12:10] <haltdef> I bought two of the adapters for 99p total :P
[12:11] <Henchman21> and i cant read jack on my phone screen
[12:11] <sinni800> rm: microsd are more expensive than normal sds
[12:11] <rm> that too
[12:11] <Caver> stronger glasses required then!
[12:11] <mjr> anyway, the price being a rather big consideration with the Pi, the same stands naturally for the cards
[12:11] <sinni800> i would want to stay with normal SD. price is a big factor in the raspberry
[12:11] <sinni800> exactly
[12:11] <aditsu> I see the size is exactly the same as a credit card, how tall is it?
[12:12] <Henchman21> tallest part is probably the usb port
[12:12] <sinni800> i really find, though, that no VGA is a downside ;)
[12:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> 24mm
[12:12] <aditsu> for the B version, are the 2 usb ports on top of each other?
[12:12] <mjr> aditsu, yes
[12:12] <mjr> sinni800, it is, though understandable
[12:13] <Henchman21> next to an ethernet jack
[12:13] <sinni800> mjr: yeah, i get that the chip is specifically designed for HDMI output and only a small DAC was used for composite
[12:13] <rm> http://scc.jezmckean.com/item/581 here's a 3D model
[12:13] <rm> or just see from the picture, RJ45 seems to be the tallest
[12:13] <sinni800> but how can hdmi and composite monitors be more frequent to see than VGA monitors in developing countries?
[12:14] <haltdef> I don't think it's aimed at developing countries
[12:14] <sinni800> oh wait
[12:14] <sinni800> schools
[12:14] <rm> the chip isn't
[12:14] <rm> and not for schools either
[12:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> uk is a developing contry ;-p
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[12:14] <sinni800> how about developer countries?
[12:14] <haltdef> north england maybe, down here we're developed :P
[12:14] <Caver> they can use RCA!
[12:14] * haltdef runs off
[12:15] <aditsu> and for the power, I wonder if I can use my phone's cable (HTC desire Z) and power it from usb
[12:15] <sinni800> ill power it from my phone!
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[12:15] <Caver> having a TV in a developing country is likely to be more common, that flat pannel screens
[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> aditsu yes if it is a microusb
[12:15] <haltdef> I'm told you should be careful with phone chargers
[12:15] <Caver> aditsu, yup I've got a HTC Desire Z too - will work fine :)
[12:15] <mjr> aditsu, the B model wants 700mA, a bit more than what a standard USB port delivers, though some USB ports will deliver more
[12:16] <sinni800> Caver: sure, RCA is pretty much good there
[12:16] <haltdef> voltage regulation tends to happen on the phone rather than the charger
[12:16] * Caver stares @ haltdef - it will be fine
[12:16] <Caver> I've checked it's stable
[12:16] <sinni800> but VGA is also pretty popular and I can see many people having the idea of hooking it up to a vga connectore
[12:16] <haltdef> I'll be using my n900's charger, 1A
[12:16] <haltdef> can't test without destroying stuff so I'll risk it :P
[12:16] <mjr> openmoko charger through mini->micro adapter, also 1A :)
[12:16] <aditsu> at least an AC to USB adapter (which I am using for the phone) should work, right?
[12:16] <Caver> VGA yes would have been nice - the SoC chip is designed for mobile phones really, so we're stuck with what it produces signal wise .. which is ... RCA and HDMI ... :)
[12:16] <sinni800> how much energy will the usb ports be able to deliver? as much as is going into the raspberry?
[12:17] <haltdef> there's a thought, I must have a dozen miniusb chargers lying around
[12:17] <Caver> anything else we'd need converters and that pushes the price up
[12:17] <sinni800> is the electricity going into the device just patched through to the usb?
[12:17] <mjr> haltdef, indeed. Dealextreme had pretty cheap adapters, making those oldies useful in a microusb world
[12:17] <aditsu> sinni800: how can you power it from your phone?
[12:17] <sinni800> aditsu: usb host mode!
[12:17] <mjr> sinni800, AIUI yes
[12:17] <Henchman21> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#Power_pins
[12:18] <sinni800> ah
[12:18] <Henchman21> "Maximum permitted current draw from the 5v pin is the USB input current (usually 1A) minus any current draw from the rest of the board."
[12:18] <sinni800> ah okay
[12:18] <mjr> it's not recommended to use devices draining lots of power from the Pi's USB
[12:18] <sinni800> so no burning when i push 100s of ampers?
[12:18] <mjr> without a powered hub in the middle
[12:18] <sinni800> :D
[12:18] <Henchman21> i ordered a powered hub
[12:18] <Caver> heheh no
[12:18] <sinni800> someone had an idea
[12:19] <Henchman21> dunno why i dont use usb all that much
[12:19] <sinni800> attach the rpi to a powered hub which is attached to the rpi
[12:19] <Caver> sinni800, yup that would work well
[12:19] <mjr> sinni800, yes, it should work, if the hub is dumb enough and powerful enough to supply the pi (without negotiation)
[12:20] <Caver> I'm going to be using a old USB SATA hard disk thing, which has a USB power hub in it too, which means if I want I can put a hard disk on it too (won't be fast mind, but ok!)
[12:20] <sinni800> mjr: as long as the hub allows power draw without the data wires being connected
[12:21] <mjr> sinni800, yeah, that's what I meant by "dumb enough" and "without negotiation" ;)
[12:21] <sinni800> :D
[12:21] <sinni800> i still wonder if it would run windows 8 ARM
[12:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
[12:21] <mjr> btw this was the mini->micro adapter I ordered, in case it's useful for others: https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-converter-keychain-35005
[12:21] <mjr> $2 a piece, but if you've old chargers that'll get new life out of it, worth it
[12:21] <sinni800> RaTTuS|BIG: this is sure now?
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> well - yes - as arm windows need lots of ram
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> but I'll not say it will never run it
[12:22] <Caver> almost certain, as windows 8 needs a NEON able ARM processor, and much more RAM
[12:22] <sinni800> hum
[12:22] <sinni800> windows CE?
[12:22] <sinni800> ;D
[12:22] <sinni800> probably... hm
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> also windows 8 will cost a lot more than a few RPi's
[12:23] <Caver> lol only if your a complete masochist ...
[12:23] <mjr> would probably need microsoft to port it, or give someone a license to
[12:23] <Caver> realistically - why do you want to run windows ce?
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's also not worth it
[12:23] <Henchman21> windows sucks let it die already
[12:23] <sinni800> mjr: well you can download the windows ce source as a dreamspark member
[12:23] <Ben64> windows does indeed suck
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> and blow at the same time
[12:23] <sinni800> and linux has been the future for 30 years... still not there, yet
[12:23] <mjr> you can run windows 3.1 in dosbox
[12:24] <mjr> (IIRC)
[12:24] <Henchman21> win 3.1 didnt even come with network drivers
[12:24] <sinni800> 3.11 did
[12:24] <sinni800> or wait
[12:24] <Caver> well yes, but only slowely as would have to do code translation
[12:24] <sinni800> it doesnt matter anyway
[12:24] <Caver> you could add networking to win 3.1 though
[12:25] <Caver> anyway ... lol ... *ick* no
[12:25] <Henchman21> know what windows is good for? solitare
[12:25] <Caver> it's not a windows machine when it comes down to it
[12:25] <Ben64> linux is better for solitaire too
[12:25] <sinni800> Henchman21: how about working and programming?
[12:25] <Henchman21> nope
[12:25] * Tachyon` snorts
[12:25] <Henchman21> and delivering ads
[12:25] <sinni800> i do it all the time and it works!
[12:25] <mjr> I'm pretty sure we'll have enough native Solitaire games for the Pi to manage
[12:25] <sinni800> how about that.
[12:25] <Tachyon`> at least on linux you don't have to sell a child to afford the dev tools
[12:26] <Ben64> you can play freecell on command line!
[12:26] <Ben64> beat that, windows
[12:26] <Caver> I guess windows 95 on dosbox if your truely disperate to play solitaire :)
[12:26] <aditsu> I wonder if I can put gentoo on the rpi (with cross compiling)
[12:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> aditsu yeah
[12:26] <sinni800> i dont like beating on corpses
[12:26] <Caver> yes you can
[12:26] <Tachyon`> rpi shold be able to run any linux that has an arm port
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[12:26] <aditsu> maybe not kde though :p
[12:26] * Tachyon` recommends debian
[12:26] <Ben64> gentoo would work, just would take years to compile
[12:26] <Ben64> :D
[12:26] <mjr> aditsu, the answer is "yes", though the required effort may vary ;)
[12:27] <sinni800> ill run fedora anyway... comes closest to centos
[12:27] <Caver> does anyone know the score on X.org drivers yet?
[12:27] <Tachyon`> ugh, deadrat
[12:27] <intelminer> Wow, I just joined and already someone has mentioned Gentoo :p
[12:27] <Henchman21> debian with xbmc
[12:28] <Tachyon`> deceased rodents are for environmental health officers, not computers -.o
[12:29] <aditsu> Ben64: that's why I said cross compiling
[12:30] <rm> most likely it will be ported
[12:30] <Henchman21> precompiled arm builds
[12:30] <sinni800> i like my beautiful hats
[12:30] <aditsu> so anyway, when can we start ordering? all I can find is "February"
[12:30] <rm> gentoo is made by hackers, not by corporate drones which are paid to work on the next enterprise feature and not on something else
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[12:31] <rm> many hackers like rPi, so naturally someone will put together a port...
[12:31] <intelminer> What class of ARM is the Raspberry Pi anyway, for those of us that want to set up our cross compilers
[12:31] <intelminer> For Gentoo, I mean
[12:31] <ali1234> gentoo already has an arm port
[12:31] <Stskeeps> march=armv6 , fpu=vfp, float-abi=softfp
[12:31] <Stskeeps> is usual one
[12:31] <ali1234> it has had one for at least 4 years
[12:31] <rm> ali1234, there's a bit more than generic 'arm port' that is needed
[12:31] <ali1234> probably much longer
[12:31] <rm> when it comes to ARM
[12:32] <intelminer> I mean the specific type, as Gentoo does allow for processor specific optimization
[12:32] <ali1234> nope sorry, no there isn't
[12:32] <rm> just a little bit, but still. Oh, and making sure your port is not for something newish like arm7
[12:32] <rm> ali1234, I mean the boot loader and kernel stuff that is highly machine-specific on ARM
[12:32] <aditsu> emerge sys-kernel/rpi-sources? :p
[12:33] <rm> and on MIPS, for that matter
[12:33] <mjr> Stskeeps, about that softfp, I was of the impression that there was some float support there?
[12:33] <rm> only on x86 you can install from the same disk both on a Core i5 and on a Pentium MMX
[12:33] <Stskeeps> mjr: fpu supports that, softfp is just a ABI
[12:33] <mjr> Stskeeps, ah, okay
[12:33] <Henchman21> plan9 glenda
[12:33] <Stskeeps> mjr: -mfpu=vfp indicates you can use VFP instructions
[12:33] <mjr> righto
[12:34] <intelminer> If you are planning to set up crossdev for Gentoo, your "choices" (for ARM cross compiling) are arm-unknown-linux-gnu, arm-softfloat-ef (for devices without hardware floats) and arm-elf (for devices with hardware floats)
[12:36] <Henchman21> bet the bsd people are happy about the datasheet
[12:36] <Caver> the joy of linux ... so much choice
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[12:37] <Henchman21> i need to play with bsd more
[12:38] <aditsu> toaster upgrade?
[12:38] <Caver> ?
[12:39] <aditsu> bsd people are known for making computers out of toasters
[12:39] <Henchman21> the power cable a mini usb or micro usb
[12:40] <Caver> micro usb
[12:40] <Caver> ah :)
[12:40] <Henchman21> well that sucks
[12:40] <Henchman21> i have way more mini cables around than micro
[12:41] <mjr> Henchman21, I just linked to a $2 adapter on dealextreme a while ago
[12:41] <Henchman21> :P
[12:41] <aditsu> I'm also interested in a battery adapter
[12:42] <Caver> I know someone mentioned you can get the various emergency phone charger type things that can plug into micro usb
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[12:44] <Henchman21> http://themavesite.com/TMS-Pictures/2010-07/InfinitePower.jpg
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[12:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> i'll be back
[12:45] <Henchman21> heh
[12:46] <Caver> though I'm not quite sure what will happen when the batteries start to run low
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[12:47] <Caver> suspect it'll just crash
[12:48] <aditsu> oh, I actually have a battery+solar phone charger thingie.. I don't think it has micro usb though
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[12:49] <Caver> nods ... you might be able to get adaptors ... make sure it can provide 5V at 700mA though
[12:50] <Caver> aditsu, what have you got in mind using your Pi for?
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[12:51] <aditsu> not sure yet, first just reveling in geekiness
[12:51] <Caver> :)
[12:51] <Caver> perfectly allowed
[12:51] * mjr has a mind to use it as a stepmania terminal among other things, presuming it's ported
[12:51] <aditsu> I'm thinking transferring data between a digital camera and a mobile phone
[12:52] <Caver> so 2 usb devices?
[12:52] <aditsu> also using it as a portable computer (need a display though)
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[12:52] <aditsu> Caver: yes, 2 peripherals
[12:53] <aditsu> I tried connecting them to each other, no dice
[12:54] <Caver> yeah I'd imagine both the phone and the camera are setup to be usb endpoints
[12:54] <Caver> so the Pi can be the host :)
[12:55] <aditsu> I could also use it as some kind of server at home
[12:56] <aditsu> maybe turn on other computers via wake-on-lan when I'm away
[12:56] <Caver> yup with that low a power consumption ... :)
[12:56] <Caver> thats a good idea
[12:57] <aditsu> also, if I ever get into robotics, it seems very suitable
[12:58] <Caver> yeah especially if we can one day get the real time stuff to compile and play nicely with the arm linux kernel
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[12:59] <Caver> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/ I've been reading, but it's not a subject I know a lot about
[12:59] <aditsu> um.. doesn't that require an RTC?
[13:00] <aditsu> which is missing in the rpi
[13:00] <Henchman21> adding one shouldnt be too hard
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Realtime and RTC is quite independant.
[13:00] <Caver> I thought it had a RTC just not battery backup
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> What you need for realtime is just a hardware elapsed timer - which the Pi has.
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[13:01] <Caver> correct it does
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Realtime scheduling is only relevant when it's actually on.
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[13:02] <Caver> I gather having somethign close to a RT kernel/setup is very useful if your thinking of linuxCNC
[13:03] <victhor> I wouldn't trust linux for real time
[13:03] <Caver> ok
[13:04] <Caver> but clearly some people do
[13:04] <victhor> it just seems like a waste of hardware, something that could be done with a ARM micro and a proper RTOS
[13:05] <victhor> no idea how the RT patches perform, if they perform as good as a proper RTOS...
[13:05] <Caver> have a read of the FAQ - it's very informative
[13:06] <Caver> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/articles/s/y/s/Systems_based_on_Real_time_preempt_Linux_29a7.html :)
[13:07] <Caver> for hard real time it won't work - linux just isn't designed for that ..
[13:07] <Caver> for soft RT ... could work well ... and for the price ... and power of the system it could result in ... very nice !
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[13:31] <tero> if you setup a lamp server on r-pi, any speculation how much traffic could it hold?
[13:32] <Caver> I guess that will depend on the speed of your SD card
[13:32] <Caver> as LAMP stuff is a lot to do with a abilities of your IO system
[13:34] <intelminer> tero: I'd guess it'd work until you run out of RAM, Apache can be pretty memory heavy
[13:35] <intelminer> tero: Assuming you've got it running off a USB hard disk, otherwise it'd be SD card bound
[13:35] <tero> for example: I have a small forum on phpbb and about 100 visitors per day
[13:35] <Caver> or a network mounted drive
[13:35] <tero> that could work?
[13:36] <Tobias|> I wouldn't go with a typical lamp setup
[13:36] <intelminer> tero: Might do, I'd swap out Apache for Lighttpd due to the small amount of memory though
[13:36] <Tobias|> I'd avoid apache and use lighttpd/cherokee/nginx
[13:36] <Tobias|> I'd also make sure to be using php-apc or php-xcache
[13:36] <Tobias|> As they dramatically reduce PHP's memory consumption
[13:36] <tero> intersting
[13:37] <intelminer> Its possible (in theory) but probably not the best idea
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[13:38] <Tobias|> 100 visits/day isn't much
[13:38] <Tobias|> Depends on how efficient phpBB is
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[13:40] <intelminer> You'd probably have to really strip the system down, and run it off an external drive so you have swap space
[13:40] <intelminer> But it is -possible-
[13:40] <Tobias|> O_o
[13:40] <intelminer> I'm probably overestimating, but with a full PHP and MySQL stack on top...well...
[13:40] <Tobias|> You could easily handle a phpBB website from a 4GB SD card
[13:41] <intelminer> I wouldn't, all those random read/writes would kill it pretty quickly
[13:41] <Caver> size wise ... certainly
[13:41] <intelminer> Especially with a DB
[13:41] <Tobias|> I've been running a small webserver on an EEE 701 for a few years
[13:41] <Tobias|> The EEE 701 only having a 4GB SSD
[13:41] <Caver> intelminer, really - I've run drupal on a usb stick setupf for years ... it's fine
[13:42] <intelminer> I just recall breaking a CF card incredibly quickly that way, even just using it to boot GRUB and a kernel+initramfs
[13:42] <Caver> yeah I've got a EEE 901, which is 4Gb + 16Gb SSD, and runs db stuff very nicely ... remember wear leaveling is more common these days
[13:43] <Caver> now there's a question ... old CF card vs SD card ... does one wear level and the other not?
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[13:44] <intelminer> Not sure, I haven't used flash media in at least a year
[13:44] <Caver> nods
[13:45] <Caver> according to wiki, wear leveling is optional in a SD card
[13:46] * intelminer noddles
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[13:46] <intelminer> Try it and see, but keep backups, for the love of god :p
[13:46] <intelminer> I've done my dash with flash memory, from SD to SSD, so I'm a bit of a doomsdayer about it
[13:47] <IT_Sean> good morning
[13:47] <intelminer> G'mornin
[13:47] <Caver> morning IT
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[13:53] <Henchman21> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2010/05/25/prototype-flash_destroyer/
[13:53] <Henchman21> heh thats a cool device
[13:55] <Caver> nothing like the smell of scorched silicon first thing in the morning
[13:55] <IT_Sean> BOOO! IRSSI not letting me click ._.
[13:56] <intelminer> IT_Sean: irssi is keyboard based!
[13:56] <Henchman21> just search flash destroyer
[13:56] <Caver> whats IRSSI?
[13:57] <intelminer> Command line IRC client
[13:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> irc client
[13:57] <Henchman21> the best irc client
[13:57] <Henchman21> client of teh future
[13:57] <Ben64> xchat is the best
[13:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> there is no best
[13:57] <Henchman21> applejack is best pwny
[14:05] <mjr> Caver, eww on optionality. Surely these days they do that... Please...
[14:07] <Caver> lol I didn't write it
[14:07] <Caver> mind you ... aren't there wear leveling file systems in linux now?
[14:08] * IT_Sean wants a flash destroyer, even if only for gits and shiggles
[14:08] <Henchman21> jffs2?
[14:09] <mjr> There are. jffs2 is one, the oldie goldie.
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[14:10] <mjr> designed for raw nand or nor flash, but you can set up flash emulation on a block device...
[14:11] <Caver> I guess the question is then ... is it journalled?
[14:12] <mjr> baby, _all it does_ is journal ;)
[14:13] <mjr> "Journalling Flash File System version 2"
[14:14] <mjr> there's a problem with it though, it needs to scan the whole filesystem at mount time
[14:14] <mjr> it can take quite a while on large filesystems
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[14:16] <victhor> JFFS2 on a SD card doesn't seem to make much sense as the controller is supposed to do wear leveling by itself
[14:16] <mjr> there's some newer things like ubifs, logfs and yaffs
[14:17] <mjr> victhor, this started with somebody pointing out that wear leveling is optional for SD cards ;)
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[14:17] <victhor> oops.
[14:17] <Caver> yup
[14:17] <mjr> though probably very common these days
[14:17] <Caver> me :)
[14:17] <victhor> I accidentally the wear leveling
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Wear leveling is in many ways the worst possible case for SD cards.
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> You have a very slow small CPU often doing very poor wear leveling in an undefined manner that varies per maker.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> The system has no idea what it's 'really' doing, and neither the SD card, or the system can optimise properly the wear leveling.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Probably the least bad thing you can do is to arrange the filesystem so it always writes in few hundred K blocks.
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[14:32] <Caver> it would be nice if you could query the SD card and see if it supports wear leveling, but seems you can't
[14:32] <Caver> oh well
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> They all do
[14:32] <Caver> hopefully sticking to the big manufactueres will keep things ok!
[14:32] <Caver> ?
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> All nand flash is not specified to be error-free by the maker
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[14:33] <SpeedEvil> therefore it needs some sort of wear leveling and defect mapping, or it will show 'bad sectors' from the beginning.
[14:34] <Caver> defect mapping certainly
[14:34] <Marduck> is wear leveling built in to the media or is it a function of the os?
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> Neither.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> It's built into a controller attached to the raw flash chips.
[14:36] <haltdef> SpeedEvil, I've stopped using that UPS until I buy two new batteries for it :P
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> This controller exposes only a SD or SATA or whatever.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: :)
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: probably sane
[14:36] <Marduck> all sd chips have the wear leveling controller?
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> Marduck: yes
[14:36] <haltdef> looking into using higher capacity ones, am I only limited by physical space as long as the voltage is the same?
[14:37] <Marduck> ok, so it sounds like something that isn't a concern then.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: going ridiculously larger may cause issues
[14:37] <haltdef> 2x7Ah to 2x12Ah?
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Should be fine.
[14:37] <haltdef> 2x7Ah was impressive anyway tbh, 20 mins running *everything*
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Will of course take lots longer to charge
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering upgrading the UPS to 2*100Ah
[14:37] <haltdef> :o
[14:38] <haltdef> not for your house I suppose?
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> (And swapping out the UPS so it can run the fridge and stuff in an outage)
[14:39] <haltdef> nice
[14:39] <haltdef> are they quite regular there?
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> I often have a >12h powercut at least twice
[14:40] <haltdef> ouch
[14:40] <haltdef> only had one in 3 years, lasted 20 mins
[14:40] <mjr> put a generator on your faucet
[14:40] <haltdef> noticed the router behaved very strangely on battery power
[14:40] <haltdef> wouldn't route for starters
[14:41] <haltdef> swapped psu with a router that worked fine on battery, same thing
[14:41] <haltdef> used same psu as misbehaving router on working router, fine
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[14:41] <rm> cheap (or in other words ALL, other than super-expensive) UPSes produce a real wonky wave while on battery
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> I have the router connected directly to the battery.
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[14:42] <rm> digital approximation of the sinusoid
[14:42] <rm> lots of stuff can't work with that
[14:42] <rm> e.g. I saw a CF lamp go flashing on and off rapidly
[14:44] <haltdef> rm, that's what people said
[14:44] <koaschten> man, i haven't sniffed traffic since the time of 10mbit hubs, this smart managed switch with mirroring capabilities is fun :X
[14:44] <haltdef> just strange that this particular router failed, everything else chugs along happily
[14:45] <haltdef> also, adsl sync during a power cut ftw
[14:45] <haltdef> full 24mbps :P
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[14:45] <koaschten> finally i get to snoop at the samknows.com box *whistles innocently*
[14:46] <haltdef> "snoop"? O_O
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: I noticed that too
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Mine went to ~5M vs 3.5 normally
[14:47] <haltdef> no crosstalk
[14:47] <koaschten> look at the traffic of the box, as it is a whitebox without access for the end user, call me curious wanting to know what the box does for testing ;)
[14:47] <koaschten> haha time check via http get? http://ntp.samknows.com/?tz=UTC&fmt=new
[14:47] <haltdef> I went from 21 to 24
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> My line is rather longer.
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> I get ~61dB attenuation.
[14:48] <haltdef> hnnng
[14:48] <haltdef> lucky it works at all :P
[14:48] <koaschten> dsl, so last decade :X
[14:48] <haltdef> it's the best I can hope for in the forseeable future
[14:49] <haltdef> vdsl2 from the cabinet is being rolled out, no date for my area though
[14:49] <koaschten> my cable provider rolled out 100/6 in november *woooosh* :)
[14:49] <haltdef> no sign of cable here :P
[14:50] <ReggieUK> are you guys having a broadband pissing contest?
[14:50] <haltdef> uk cable co does 120/12 nowadays
[14:50] <haltdef> gits
[14:50] <octeris-work> koaschten: For ridiculous prices.
[14:51] <koaschten> octeris-work 39.90 / month :)
[14:51] <octeris-work> koaschten: Wow. You should consider yourself lucky.
[14:51] <koaschten> ReggieUK always :)
[14:52] <koaschten> naw, lucky is, i only paid 19.90 the first 12 month *cough*
[14:52] <ReggieUK> I think they might be putting a dslam at the end of my road
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[14:52] <koaschten> ReggieUK as long as they run fiber to it too -> awesome
[14:52] <haltdef> do you already have a green cab at the end of your road?
[14:52] <ReggieUK> there's been someone doing marking with yellow paint
[14:52] <ReggieUK> nope, no green box
[14:53] <haltdef> hm, I don't think there will be then
[14:53] <haltdef> not for openreach anyway, virgin media might be expanding
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[14:53] <ReggieUK> and there is a box that looks like it's been cut with an angle grinder into the ground about the same size as a green cabinet
[14:54] <ReggieUK> and it has DSLAM in 4 inch letters sprayed in the box
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[14:54] <haltdef> how strange
[14:54] <koaschten> ReggieUK talk to they guys next time they show up?
[14:54] <ReggieUK> oh and the main exchange for the town is about 50yds as the crow flies
[14:55] <ReggieUK> I'm kind of hopeful that they're doing something nice
[14:55] <ReggieUK> but intrigued as it didn't make much sense to me either
[14:55] <haltdef> might be it, can't do vdsl2 from the exchange here so people not going via a cab for adsl/phone will need one for FTTC
[14:56] <octeris-work> mjr: "Drawing" ethernet?
[14:56] <haltdef> right, just got a job
[14:56] <haltdef> need to treat myself
[14:59] <ReggieUK> congrats
[14:59] <haltdef> time to give rockstar and ubisoft some money for the games I've pirated but loved perhaps
[15:01] <mjr> drawing a cable
[15:02] <Henchman21> still not helping
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[15:02] <Henchman21> ive heard of draw a bath
[15:02] <Henchman21> HAH
[15:02] <koaschten> i only know "pulling cables" ;)
[15:03] <koaschten> but generally i "throw lines" ^^
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[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> haltdef, bleh... don't give ubisoft money, they are jerks.
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[15:44] <mjr> seconded
[15:49] <hamitron> ubisoft removed the DRM from Silent Hunter 4....
[15:50] <hamitron> I sorta like the idea of removing DRM in a later patch, when the game is older
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[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's a start
[15:51] <hamitron> yeh, ideally there'd be none ofc
[15:51] <hamitron> :)
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[15:52] <hamitron> overall, I've had worse problems with codemasters and DRM :/
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[15:53] <hamitron> any news on the pi?
[15:53] <hamitron> well, not news, more talk
[15:53] <hamitron> :)
[15:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> right ill poke zbrush4r2 round all the artists and see if it breaks .
[15:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops - ignore that .... stupid window
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[15:57] <Caver> :)
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[16:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/02/babbage-february-8th-2012 9:09 seconds
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[16:23] <lasttime> Is the RP able to use gpu hardware acceleration for windowed content?
[16:24] <lasttime> I have seen the Quake demo and that's seems to be strictly fullscreen
[16:25] <Caver> at the moment I'm assuming not, but I'm sure it will change in the future
[16:25] <Caver> there doesn't seem to be an X DDX driver that can talk in OpenGL ES - though I'd love for someone to correct me on this
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[16:26] <Caver> so I guess current X stuff is strictly unaccelerated framebuffer style
[16:26] <lasttime> I have heard the gpu driver for the RP is closed, so possibly reverse engineer from the ground up, not unlike the nvidia drivers were recently
[16:27] <lasttime> But that is a huge and tedious undertaking
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[16:27] <Caver> well I think it'd be a *lot* easier to write a DDX that can talk opengl es ...
[16:28] <lasttime> so an abstraction layer of sorts?
[16:28] <Caver> yes
[16:29] <hamitron> does it have the power to really bother running 3d apps in a window?
[16:29] <lasttime> does the underlying close source structure expose any api that can be consumed?
[16:29] <Caver> lasttime, yes ... opengl es and a couple other "standards"
[16:29] <lasttime> It's not so much 3d in a window, its a hardware accelerated FB, so hardware acceleration in general
[16:30] <lasttime> offloading as much as possible from the cpu
[16:30] <Caver> hamitron, I think for say cad programs driving a reprap for example - why not ... you've seen the demo's with the bouncing raspberry
[16:31] <hamitron> I just feel the r-pi isn't for CAD and stuff....
[16:31] <lasttime> The idea I had for the RP was a 3D point cloud scanner, this requires quite a bit of gpu
[16:32] <hamitron> the type of thing I'd use, and expect to be the main audience.... 1 proper app at once, making best use of resources there are there
[16:32] <Caver> fair enough ... IMHO a lot of people will want to use it as a secondary look something up on the internet and for that they'll need X
[16:33] <Caver> and framebuffer X is going to suck
[16:33] <lasttime> eah, I'd say common use will end up being 1 IDE + the built app running, so 2 apps
[16:33] <Caver> opengl es X is going to suck but minus 20%
[16:33] <hamitron> IDE? :)
[16:33] <hamitron> vim!
[16:33] <lasttime> hah, yea, but that's not everyone
[16:34] <Caver> exactly
[16:34] <Caver> debugging python with x=1/0 when running it with -i for inspect when it crashes, isn't ideal
[16:34] <hamitron> for complicated stuff, I'll probably compile on my main PC, then transfer over
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[16:35] <Caver> running it in a window and then IDLE with breakpoints and variable watching ... much more friendly
[16:35] <lasttime> absolutly
[16:35] <lasttime> and much easier for someone coming from no programming background
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[16:36] <Caver> I know you *can* do it all over ssh with X forwarding .. but ...
[16:36] <Caver> especially when your doing something with the GPIO's
[16:37] <lasttime> the thin client scenario is something to really be explored.
[16:37] <hamitron> I just feel unhappy, the thought of deving on a machine with 256MB memory ;)
[16:37] <Caver> why?
[16:37] <Caver> little python scripts don't take up much ram
[16:37] <hamitron> with full blown distro
[16:37] <slaeshjag> 256 MB is plenty!
[16:37] <Caver> lxde worked fine with that much ram
[16:37] <slaeshjag> Unless you dev in Emacs :)
[16:38] <hamitron> it is plenty for the right application :)
[16:38] <lasttime> 256MB is plenty for me running icewm, or one of the boxes
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[16:38] <Caver> that said it doesn't need to be made slower, by watching screen redraws as you debug
[16:38] <slaeshjag> I haven't actually try to dev on 256 MB, all I know is that my code doesn't need anything near that to run
[16:39] <hamitron> 256MB is plenty to do something.... but to do lots of somethings, and you end up with not much available to stuff
[16:39] <lasttime> just don't expect to be running distro --> x86 qemu --> windowsXP --> visual studio :D
[16:40] <Caver> LOL no
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> slaeshjag, don't forget the memory taken up by the GPU
[16:40] <DaQatz> I've dev'ed in far less then 256 megs ram.
[16:40] <Caver> I think as a little electronics dev environment it'll be fine
[16:40] <hamitron> Caver, yep
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[16:40] <DaQatz> I remember my 300mhz compac fondly.
[16:40] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne: Right, but I still expect to have at least 100 MB to play with :)
[16:41] <DaQatz> It max'ed at 96 megs of ram
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> then take X into account, all the crap that runs in the background which you don't even need....
[16:41] <Caver> I gather you can config the GPU to take only 32Mb
[16:41] <Caver> so thats 192Mb for linux and bits
[16:41] <hamitron> but I'd question the need to run everything on the r-pi, all at once
[16:42] <Caver> ok
[16:42] <lasttime> what do you mean by "everything"?
[16:42] <slaeshjag> I would like a really light-weight browser though
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> no need at all, but most distros add all the crap by default
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[16:42] <Caver> I was only talking about having an accelerated X driver
[16:42] <ctyler> slaeshjag: "modern browser" and "lightweight" are almost mutually excludive
[16:42] <Caver> not running a full featured desktop
[16:42] <slaeshjag> ctyler: I know :/
[16:42] <hamitron> lasttime, lots of things you don't need for the app you are working on :)
[16:42] <lasttime> Has someone made a RP compatible stripped down debian port?
[16:43] <slaeshjag> ctyler: I use surf, which isn't much more than a window with webkit in it, and it seems to start at 70 MB memory usage :/
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> kazehakase is a good lightweight browser
[16:43] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, how you remember the spelling? :|
[16:44] <lasttime> 70 MB is fine as long as you have a 512MB Swap partition on the sd/usb flash drive
[16:44] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne: Seems to be using webkit and Gecko :/
[16:44] <ShiftPlusOne> typed it enough times to commit to memory
[16:44] <slaeshjag> lasttime: The problem is, that's 70 MB displaying a blank page
[16:44] * Caver wishes he'd never mention browsing
[16:44] <lasttime> again, swap partition
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[16:44] <hamitron> is it a good idea having swap on a SD card? :|
[16:44] <slaeshjag> depends
[16:44] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, not at all, but that's a whole other argument
[16:45] <slaeshjag> It it's mostly for inactive memory, then it's fine
[16:45] <haltdef> what does linux do when it runs out of real ram?
[16:45] <ctyler> so here's some memory stats from the F14 image: basic boot takes 26M to a command prompt with some basic services (network, sshd, ...). Graphical login to LXDE brings you to the 80's. You can start FF on there and stay under 100M, but that goes up quickly once you start browsing.
[16:45] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[16:45] <PiBot> Aquilus_: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[16:45] <Caver> haltdef, starts killing processes
[16:45] <Aquilus_> New message. I approve.
[16:45] <slaeshjag> but if you swap a lot back and forwards, you might as well rub your SD-card against a belt-sander
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[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ctyler, thanks
[16:46] <ctyler> yeah, as Eben noted, swap-to-SD and crashed are virtually indistinguishable.
[16:46] <slaeshjag> ctyler: 80 MB for a basic graphical login? o_O
[16:46] <Caver> is that with intel or arm?
[16:46] <UK_Taltos> Is there any chance a JTAG bsdl model for the BCM2835 will be released?
[16:46] <Caver> I gather arm programs use a bit less
[16:46] <ctyler> Caver: raspi
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, the actual board.
[16:46] <Caver> nods
[16:47] <Caver> ah you have one?
[16:47] <ctyler> alpha, yeah
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> he's a chosen one
[16:47] <lasttime> ha
[16:47] <ctyler> pfft
[16:47] <slaeshjag> I really hope that can be trimmed down
[16:47] <Caver> more to the point ... is there any acceleration for X?
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, none yet, AFAIK
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[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> they said they'll rely on the community to write one
[16:48] <Caver> right
[16:48] <Caver> my guess was correct
[16:48] <lasttime> yep, thanks Caver
[16:48] <ctyler> UK_Taltos: I don't think the ARM jtag is exposed on the board. This was a point of discussion in the pre-beta cycle, and there was a desire to get ARM jtag on there, but GPU jtag was needed for the MAC address burn and it was unclear if ARM jtag would make the cut. AFAIK it didn't.
[16:48] <lasttime> right on the money
[16:49] <UK_Taltos> opps thought I could get to play with the BUZZ tool
[16:49] <Caver> I suspect a open gl es version won't be *that* hard to do
[16:49] * ctyler had started work on accelerated X but has been short on cycles, still hoping to make some progress before EOM.
[16:49] <Caver> cool
[16:49] <Caver> well ... *thanks*
[16:49] <Caver> I'd love it, if there is
[16:50] <lasttime> very, that's going to be one of the big hurdles, thank you ctyler
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[16:50] <Caver> really I want it more for things like python debugging etc
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> stupid question, but does hardware accelerated or not make any difference to memory usage?
[16:50] <ctyler> been really surprised at the improvement from fbdev under F13 to fbdev under F14, though; it's moved from torture to annoying speed-wise
[16:50] <Caver> I suppose the driver might be a bit larger, but really ... your just telling the hardware to do more
[16:51] <Caver> lol
[16:51] <lasttime> it depends on if its shared memory or not, if its gpu dedicated then it will allow you to utilize that reserved memory
[16:51] <UK_Taltos> well why wasnt the ARM and GPU JTAG lines chained?
[16:51] <ctyler> You might want to allocate more RAM to the GPU if you're doing a lot on that side, but otherwise, accelerated should be the same or better in memory
[16:51] <UK_Taltos> could have used a pullup on the chip to enable mode select?
[16:52] <ctyler> UK_Taltos: don't know; I haven't plugged into the jtag lines yet, but was talking to Eben about it
[16:54] <UK_Taltos> I work with stuff and use multi devices and BSDL models in a chain configuratioin all you could need is the bsdl file for both the the GPU and ARM then either pull out all the lines as individual devices or chain them internal and use some sort of select / config line
[16:55] <UK_Taltos> just somthing else to play with.
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[16:56] <lasttime> but that's still individual selection of device, not cooperation? Honestly I don't know. I love the concept of multiple RP cooperation.
[16:56] <octeris> Wouldn't it be possible to use part of the SD card as swap?
[16:57] <UK_Taltos> there may be limitations EG the arm is running and therefore JTAG cant access the devices in boundry scan mode
[16:57] <octeris> And very fast swap at that..
[16:57] <lasttime> octeris: it is possible
[16:57] <ctyler> octeris: yes, but it's pain in digital form
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> octeris, possible, yes. practical, no.
[16:57] <octeris> Why?
[16:58] <Caver> I wonder ... can you mount swap over network!
[16:58] <ctyler> octeris: MLC flash is brittle, so you don't want to write often, and it's also not high-performance for writing
[16:58] <ctyler> Caver: yes
[16:58] <Caver> slow a sh*t, but does save the wear and tear on your SD card
[16:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, 'course... but that's even worse, lol.
[16:58] <lasttime> octeris: your best bet is a fast usb 2.0 thumb drive or something akin to that, even an external usb hard drive
[16:58] <Caver> which is my plan anyway
[16:59] <Caver> how bad would SSD --> SATA --> USB --> Pi suck I wonder :P
[17:00] <DaQatz> Hmm I have another idea for a fair case for an RPi
[17:00] <Caver> you do (for a price) get SSD USB thumb drives
[17:00] <DaQatz> A travel soap box.
[17:00] <Caver> lol
[17:01] <DaQatz> It's bigger then a mint tin
[17:01] <DaQatz> Plastic
[17:01] <lasttime> SSD USB thumb drives are mostly usb 3.0
[17:01] <DaQatz> And should be easy to mod for holes.
[17:01] <Caver> they fall back to USB 2 though
[17:01] <DaQatz> Plus
[17:01] <DaQatz> Waterproof
[17:01] <ctyler> So, question: I have a group of students doing stuff to really polish up F17 for the Pi, including kernel work, boot optimizations, etc. A few are working on packaging educational programming environments that aren't yet in Fedora but that we want available, including KidsRuby and Scratch (though Scratch has a stupid licensing issue). I need one more package for that group to work on, any suggestions? Should be OSI-licensed, not in Fedora yet,
[17:01] <ctyler> useful for the Raspi target environments...
[17:01] <octeris> ctyler: If we don't want to write to it often why are we running our RPi's boot distro off it?
[17:01] <lasttime> ctyler: waterbear instead of scratch
[17:02] <ctyler> You can run a binary a lot of times after writing it once, octeris :-)
[17:02] <ctyler> lasttime: waterbear? /me pokes google
[17:02] <Caver> I'm assuming you already have python/idle?
[17:02] <ctyler> Yes
[17:03] <octeris> ctyler: So basically I shouldn't store anything other than distro stuff (packages, etc) on the SD card, and mount an external for my real storage?
[17:03] <lasttime> waterbear: http://waterbearlang.com/
[17:03] <lasttime> its a visual (akin to scratch) javascript programming environment
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[17:04] <lasttime> although it looks like they've expanded way beyond just javascript, even hardware
[17:04] <ctyler> octeris: depends on your usage patterns. If you're doing document-based work, SD is OK -- load/edit/save a Python script, word processing document, spreadsheet, SVG file, that's OK. Database, not so much.
[17:04] <lasttime> even an arduino api
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[17:06] <ctyler> lasttime: waterbear looks great, thanks for the pointer
[17:07] <lasttime> yep, It's one of those projects I wish were around when I was a kid.
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[17:13] <mkopack> Morning gang!
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[17:14] <Caver> hi
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[17:17] <mkopack> LOL, now that we have a semi-firm release timeframe things get suddenly quiet in here, huh?
[17:18] <mchou> yeah, no more speculation
[17:18] <Caver> ah you just missed the great X debate
[17:19] <mchou> seems to me we've been thinking all wrong about this
[17:19] <mchou> how about an ios port
[17:19] <zgreg> X debate?
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[17:20] <Caver> sniggers @ ios
[17:20] <Caver> go read the logs rather than me repeating it all :)
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[17:21] <mchou> mobile phone OS could be much lighter than full blown X
[17:21] <shiftplusone> ... like android? 'cause I am not so sure about that.
[17:21] <mchou> probably optimize the crap out of it already
[17:22] <zgreg> android is quite memory hungry
[17:22] <mkopack> eh, you CAN do an X window manager that is highly stripped down and very efficient.
[17:22] <zgreg> but on the other hand it offers a very powerful framework
[17:22] <Caver> I'm told you before ... thats the *other* fruit
[17:22] <mkopack> I mean, after all, remember that the machines we had back when Linux first came out were pathetic compared to what you have on the Pi
[17:22] <Caver> yup!
[17:22] <zgreg> i.e. it can do a LOT more out of the box than a bare linux system with X and window manager running
[17:23] <mchou> mkopack: sure, we all know we can, but the point is to leverage work that has already been done
[17:23] <mkopack> sure
[17:23] <mkopack> (God, I remember my freshman year @ GaTech watching guys walk down the hall with stacks of 3.5" Floppies containing Slackware 0.1 on it...)
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> it sounds like people are disagreeing with each other, but everyone is just re-stating or elaborating on what has been said. That's not an argument >=/
[17:23] <zgreg> oh, the "X debate" is all about accelerated X again
[17:24] <mkopack> We had 386's and 486's with like 1MB of RAM at the time!
[17:24] <Caver> yeah :(
[17:24] <zgreg> yes, that is a sad topic
[17:24] <DaQatz> No X lets use Wayland ;)
[17:24] <mchou> anybody know how resource hungry webos is?
[17:24] <shiftplusone> What's the deal with wayland anyway?
[17:24] <zgreg> shiftplusone: hype
[17:25] <DaQatz> zgreg, for the most part, but a X is pretty cludgy. And a System that was more "base level" would work faster, on slightly less resources.
[17:26] <DaQatz> To be frank I don't like how wayland does it either.
[17:26] <shiftplusone> I'd love to see X replaced with something
[17:26] <zgreg> X doesn't really need much resources at all
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> I've made a 1.44M floppy (well, 3.5" anyway - superformat) - with X, kernel, lynx, shell, xterm on it
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, lynx was cutdown
[17:26] <Caver> not bad!
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> I removed 'print' with my coding hammer.
[17:26] <Caver> I always used to do boot 'n' root disks separately
[17:26] <mkopack> Yeah, X is a pretty old system. it works, but wow, funny to think it hasn't been replaced by now with something more modern
[17:26] <zgreg> but it might be interesting to use a stripped-down embedded X server, like kdrive. I don't know if this project is active and usable, though.
[17:27] <Caver> I'm not sure stripping X is going to make it run faster when unaccelerated
[17:27] <Caver> might give you more ram
[17:28] <zgreg> sure, that's the only point of it
[17:28] <lasttime> X.org alternatives: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=87281
[17:28] <zgreg> unaccelerated X will ALWAYS be slow
[17:28] <zgreg> (and unaccelerated wayland even more so)
[17:29] <shiftplusone> lasttime, thanks
[17:29] <Caver> wayland is inherently open gl es isn't it?
[17:29] <lasttime> np
[17:29] <Caver> so would be accelerated in all likelyhood
[17:30] <lasttime> kdrive compiles to less than 700KB, ha!
[17:30] <Caver> if your doing stuff remotely FreeNX isn't bad
[17:30] <Caver> way faster than vnc
[17:30] <shiftplusone> kind of a useless roundup/review if he says "haven't tried this" for all of them =/
[17:30] <shiftplusone> Caver, not sure if there's FreeNX on ARM.
[17:30] <DaQatz> Of what's on that list only two have a chance of overcoming X's shortcomings. Fresco and wayland.
[17:30] <DaQatz> The way X uses sockets cludges stuff up.
[17:30] <lasttime> shiftplusone , it is, but it's a starting point for all of us
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[17:31] <shiftplusone> lasttime, yup
[17:31] <Caver> I thought the whole point of FreeNX was it was mainly python scripts?
[17:31] <Caver> is there a binary in it, I've missed?
[17:32] <shiftplusone> Caver, not sure, I remember trying to get it to work in qemu and ran into a lot of problems... don't remember what they were though
[17:35] <Caver> nods
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[17:49] <DaQatz> This is how the world ends. This is how the world ends. This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a segfault.
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[18:38] <aditsu> I wonder where the RPis will be shipped from
[18:39] <Caver> sunny England
[18:39] <Caver> via royal mail
[18:40] <DaQatz> Caver, you mean nowhere? Because England is not sunny.
[18:40] <aditsu> "sunny" England? I didn't know it existed :)
[18:40] <DaQatz> Lol
[18:41] <DaQatz> !w
[18:41] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Wed Feb 8 21:51:00 2012. Temp 30??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 32%, Later 34??F - 16??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[18:41] <aditsu> well, I'm living in Hong Kong, I think it would make more sense (i.e. cheaper and faster) to ship from China since they are manufactured there
[18:41] <Caver> I didn't say warm ... just sunny
[18:41] <DaQatz> Exactly
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[18:42] <Caver> aditsu, I'm not sure I gather there might be something a bit more clever thats going to happen on the distribution from, but it was said the entire batch was going to be air fraited to the UK
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[18:43] <aditsu> aha
[18:43] <aditsu> via royal mail.. does the queen stamp them herself?
[18:43] <Caver> lol ... no no ... we use the queen's head on the stamps
[18:43] <ukscone> aditsu: yeah. she has to do something to earn her civil list money
[18:44] <ukscone> we also have her do the vacuuming in buckingham palace too
[18:44] <ukscone> prince phillip does the dishes
[18:44] <aditsu> lol
[18:44] <Caver> I thought the queen's main job was taking back all the insults prince philip deals out
[18:45] <ukscone> prince phillip also does the open mic night at claridges. he's a bit of a blue comic though, mostly mother in law jokes and racist jokes
[18:45] <Caver> :P
[18:45] <Caver> he's ok for a greek
[18:45] <aditsu> I thought the queen's main job is watching the winner of Britain's Got Talent once a year
[18:46] <Caver> very important role that one
[18:46] <ukscone> and at least it isn't thew winner of america's got talent
[18:46] <Caver> I wonder if Eben will get a knighthood for services to IT
[18:46] <ukscone> Caver: liz hopes so :) she always wanted to be lady liz
[18:47] <ukscone> wouldn't surprise me that in 2 or 3 years he gets an obe at leeast
[18:47] <shiftplusone> ukscone, then she can just buy a 1m plot in scottland
[18:47] <ukscone> shiftplusone: she could except they aren't REAL titles
[18:47] <Caver> wow ... no one told me all of scotland was up for sale!
[18:47] <ukscone> no matter what the websites say
[18:47] <shiftplusone> psh... 'real'
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[19:04] <MuNk> hey*
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[20:15] <RITRedbeard> I finally have to ask: is this vaporware?
[20:15] <RITRedbeard> if so I can go get a pandaboard right now
[20:15] <IT_Sean> RITRedbeard: no. It isn't.
[20:16] <RITRedbeard> and the probability of getting one out of 10,000?
[20:16] <hotwings> i wonder what the real cost of the pi is going to be for us residents
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: quite high
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: What's the import duty for electronics?
[20:17] <RITRedbeard> I somehow doubt this.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: And is it waived for under a given value?
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[20:25] <traeak> pandaboard cost is almosto rder magnitude higher
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> beaglebone is cheaper
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Though boneing beagles may not be legal everywhere.
[20:27] <haltdef> ew
[20:27] <traeak> beaglebone is good for embedded, needs addons for video
[20:27] <haltdef> I wouldn't mind a pandaboard
[20:27] <haltdef> not a clue what for, just looks nifty
[20:28] <RITRedbeard> pandaboard has SATA bus does it not?
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> I'm sorta pondering a pi-netbook
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> to be possibly upgraded to panda
[20:28] <haltdef> don't you start SpeedEvil :P
[20:28] <traeak> dunno
[20:28] <haltdef> sightlight 2.0
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> I have an actual sane plan though.
[20:28] <traeak> about sata bus, but that would be nice for another system
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> And know my LVDS from my elbow.
[20:28] <traeak> i think allwinner a10 has an sata bus
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> I note at this point that my external USB and my internal HD on this laptop are the same speed
[20:31] <haltdef> mm, win8 consumer preview on the 29th
[20:31] <traeak> must be old junk
[20:31] <haltdef> will have to try that out on umpc
[20:31] <RITRedbeard> my datasette is as fast as my SSD
[20:31] <RITRedbeard> I note
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Both 30 meg/second
[20:31] <traeak> win8ME
[20:31] <traeak> usb protocol overhead is higher though
[20:32] <traeak> so your internal drive taxes the system less
[20:32] <haltdef> want to see if the integrated 3g management thing behaves with my 3g card
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[20:33] <haltdef> metro can fo too
[20:33] <RITRedbeard> my magnetic core memory is as fast as my 7200RPM WD Caviar Black
[20:33] <RITRedbeard> but my Jaz drive is way faster
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> traeak: yes
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> traeak: I question that has to be so though - seems silly
[20:34] <xlq> It can _probably_ hold more than the core memory too :P
[20:34] <traeak> SpeedEvil: can't say how much worse the usb is on your system, it's all relative
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> traeak: I need to actually go into the details of why this happens - I thought I recalled you can configure DMA to do large chunks
[20:35] <RITRedbeard> why would you ever want to do that?
[20:35] <traeak> SpeedEvil: usb adds extra protocol behavior, and shared bus, etc
[20:35] <RITRedbeard> nearly all IO activity on a POSIX based operating system involves very small files
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Which USB doesn't change
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> On magnetic media, it's hard to get away from the seek
[20:36] <traeak> i'm not sure i get the big deal with SSDs though
[20:36] <traeak> maybe for gaming with huge texture packs or something?
[20:36] <traeak> hmm
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> the read is lots faster, if you're doing a lot of single-threaded stuff waiting on block IO
[20:37] <haltdef> the seek time is next to non-existent compared to the 12ms+ on spinners
[20:37] <RITRedbeard> never using a mobile device without SSD ever again
[20:37] <traeak> hmm
[20:37] <haltdef> sub-1MB/s random reads and writes where an ssd does 30MB/s+
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[20:37] <traeak> i don't run windows, that's probably a big part of it
[20:37] <RITRedbeard> I'll take the write hit I don't care
[20:38] <haltdef> linux is more random than sequential too
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> doesn't help that hitachi makes shit consumer mobile drives
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> I dropped my thinkpad 5 times and the drive died
[20:38] <traeak> and i want speedups on compilation, etc
[20:38] <haltdef> I cry a little when forced to use a pc with a spinner as the OS drive
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> on purpose
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> I dropped it
[20:38] <haltdef> an ssd probably won't help unless your hdd is so slow you can't max your cpu
[20:38] <traeak> but still for the cost of an SSD...
[20:38] <haltdef> worth every single penny
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> 64GB/$100 USD
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> Not too bad.
[20:39] <haltdef> many pennies :P
[20:39] <traeak> used to be 2TB/$100 or something
[20:39] <traeak> i've been doing mass image processing for a while now
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> for weak ass magnetic media yes
[20:39] <RITRedbeard> I mean I bought a Thinkpad.
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[20:40] <RITRedbeard> When I want to drop this thing on purpose I expect to pick it up and every device to keep working.
[20:40] <traeak> any of you guys running linux then with the SSD?
[20:40] <RITRedbeard> So when I do the monthly two-story drop, I expect the shit to work.
[20:40] <traeak> windows has always been hard drive busy
[20:40] <traeak> very hard drive busy
[20:40] <traeak> so i never relaly noticed much going from 60MB/s to 120MB/s on the spinning stuff
[20:40] <traeak> a little but
[20:40] <RITRedbeard> Besides, the whole POSIX mentality is low file size unless you're a dolt. You should be using NAS for large stuff.
[20:40] <RITRedbeard> 64GB is enough for anyone.
[20:41] <haltdef> like I said, sequential barely matters :P
[20:41] <traeak> but i woudl always spend money first on RAM
[20:41] <traeak> hehe
[20:41] <traeak> you're funny
[20:41] <traeak> 15 minutes of data collection is like 50GB
[20:41] <traeak> again dependson what you are doing i guess
[20:42] <RITRedbeard> Same mentality with the Raspberry Pi. Less is more.
[20:42] <haltdef> SSDs aren't intended for mass storage like that
[20:42] <haltdef> OS drive at most
[20:42] <haltdef> for now!
[20:42] <traeak> RITRedbeard: which means youare arguing for spinning disk over SSD
[20:42] <traeak> i guess
[20:42] <traeak> and i've never seen my OS drive as a bottleneck
[20:42] <traeak> not for yeears
[20:43] <haltdef> I thought that too, then I put my OS on an SSD
[20:43] <RITRedbeard> You would literally have to put a gun to my head to have me put any type of magnetic drive in my laptop or any mobile device ever again.
[20:43] <traeak> ie: never gotten pissed at how slow stuff loads, only pissed at how slow image processing stuff goes and stalls my cpus
[20:43] <haltdef> I would if I needed to store terabytes, but my laptop has two hdd bays :P
[20:43] <RITRedbeard> Even then, I would only use Western Digital.
[20:43] <traeak> haltdef: i guess i'll have to try...when the price drops more
[20:43] <RITRedbeard> Same. I'm torn for the need for slightly more storage.
[20:43] <traeak> oh gawd, WD
[20:43] <traeak> hehe
[20:43] <haltdef> take a look at the price of a 60GB vertex 2
[20:43] <traeak> the black server drives are fine
[20:43] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure what I should slap in the ol' Ultrabay.
[20:44] <traeak> ive have VERY good luck with samsungs the past few years
[20:44] <haltdef> no need for the absolute latest drives
[20:44] <traeak> for spinning high throughput stuff
[20:44] <RITRedbeard> As long as it isn't Seaga -- er Maxtor.
[20:44] <RITRedbeard> What a fall from grace.
[20:45] <traeak> i think WD re4's or something
[20:45] <RITRedbeard> RIP Seagate Barracuda IV
[20:45] <traeak> seagates always ran too hot
[20:45] <RITRedbeard> The best magnetic consumer drive of the late 90s/early 2000s/possibly ever
[20:45] <traeak> hmmm
[20:46] <RITRedbeard> Actually, no need to RIP, I know mine are still in service.
[20:46] <RITRedbeard> :)
[20:46] <traeak> last job i was in we had thousands of IDE raid arrays based on 3wares then switched over to sata and tekram (raid6)
[20:46] <traeak> the maxtors ruled in the early days
[20:46] <traeak> don't recall the later ide drives used
[20:47] <RITRedbeard> heh you should go to colorado sometime
[20:47] <RITRedbeard> it is or used to be the storage hotbed
[20:47] <RITRedbeard> gunbarrel/colorado springs/boulder
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[20:48] <traeak> i'm in CO :-p
[20:48] <RITRedbeard> hollywood movie idea: recreate shakespeare play but using hard drive industry as frame of reference
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: waterworld
[20:49] <RITRedbeard> excellent, colorado is beautiful and badass
[20:49] <RITRedbeard> I worked for IBM and Ricoh over there, probably going to return this summer.
[20:51] <RITRedbeard> great place to visit and live, my only frame of reference is 3 months, so... :)
[20:51] <traeak> trying ot remember where gunbarrel is
[20:51] <traeak> here in parker
[20:51] <traeak> ibm is up in fort collins right?
[20:52] <RITRedbeard> between boulder and longmont
[20:52] <traeak> try to avoid the wierdos on that side of town :-p
[20:52] <RITRedbeard> go more south
[20:52] <traeak> parker :-p
[20:53] <RITRedbeard> jump on the diagonal
[20:53] <RITRedbeard> hehehe
[20:55] <RITRedbeard> it's not a particularly big complex, IBM's data center and Lexmark, Ricoh, and some other guys rent space
[20:55] <RITRedbeard> well, compared to what I know of what they have in Poughkeepsie and Armonk
[20:55] <traeak> all i wnt from microsoft is a free *working* c++ compiler
[20:55] <traeak> hehe
[20:56] <RITRedbeard> define working heh
[20:59] <traeak> doesn't generate crashing code (msvc10 is not very reliable)
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[21:37] <MystX> It out?
[21:38] <IT_Sean> ...
[21:38] <esotera> yep ^-^ got it yesterday
[21:38] <IT_Sean> Yes. Sold out, actually.
[21:38] <MystX> =(
[21:38] * Tobias| gives MystX a hug
[21:39] <IT_Sean> no, MystX, it is NOT out yet. :p
[21:39] <Tobias|> It's still in the closet >.>
[21:41] <MystX> Lol. R-Pi is soo camp
[21:41] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[21:41] <PiBot> Thorn_: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
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[21:43] <ukscone> is it not not out yet?
[21:44] <MystX> No
[21:44] * IT_Sean slaps ukscone with Thorn_
[21:44] <mrdragons> Is it not out fro not being availible to the not general public in a not official release?
[21:45] <mrdragons> for*
[21:45] <MystX> Shut up
[21:45] <IT_Sean> what?
[21:46] <MystX> =P
[21:46] <mrdragons> MystX: ;_\\
[21:47] <atts> would the opengl and openvg libraries for the raspi work on any ARM machine or are they specific to the pi?
[21:47] <MystX> ukscone: I should have a bot for you to look at in a week or so
[21:48] <MystX> i realised the one i had wasnt very.. usable
[21:48] <ukscone> MystX: ok. what's it do and has it been sandboxed yet?
[21:48] <mrdragons> I just kind of stopped working on mine; I should really start on it again. :\
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[21:48] <MystX> No its the same one I was talking about a while ago. Still working on bringing it up to standard
[21:49] <ukscone> ok
[21:49] <MystX> Well, it was in here for a while =P
[21:56] <MystX> Yeah, IRC is a terrible protocol to work with >_<
[22:01] <xlq> It's not great but at least it's fairly simple.
[22:01] <MystX> Yeah simple, but nothing is standard
[22:02] <IT_Sean> define 'standard'?
[22:02] <MystX> The same across all implementations
[22:02] <IT_Sean> the rotocol is fully documented. ...somewhere
[22:02] <IT_Sean> *protocol
[22:02] <xlq> In the RFC.
[22:02] <xlq> The 255-char line limit is weird.
[22:02] <MystX> Yes, but the 'protocol' doesnt actually define much. The rest is server implementation
[22:02] <xlq> The protocol defines a rather large amount...
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[22:03] <MystX> Something like 'who is an OP in this channel' is way too hard to do programmatically
[22:03] <MystX> It should be a lot easier than it is
[22:03] <xlq> Uh, it's easy to see who is +o.
[22:03] <xlq> It's not so easy to see who can become +o through services.
[22:03] <MystX> Correct
[22:03] <xlq> I think that might be what you're referring to - services are separate from the IRC protocol.
[22:04] <MystX> Also some servers use +q and +a. Some dont
[22:04] <xlq> Yeah.
[22:04] <MystX> So someone may have +q, and not +o. But you cant rely on that.
[22:04] <MystX> And +q may mean something different on a different server
[22:05] <MystX> Its a shitstorm
[22:08] <IT_Sean> what a nasty day
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[22:16] <Lerc> Anyone know if there are hardware accelerated browsers running on the PI. Chromium or Firefox?
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[22:20] <mrdragons> MystX: I'm just having mine so I add all the ops myself, autorecognition of user status could get very... exploitable.
[22:20] <mjr> atts, they are spesific to the broadcom arm core (and possibly its close relatives)
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[22:22] <MystX> mrdragons: What is a user defined by with your bot though?
[22:22] <atts> thanks mjr. so i wouldn't be able to use the libraries for building and testing on a separate (non-raspi) development machine?
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[22:23] <mrdragons> The nick, which could also get messy. I'm trying to figure out a way to do it reliably
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[22:23] <MystX> Yeah a nick is really easy to change.. =\
[22:23] <mjr> atts, most likely not
[22:24] <mrdragons> I was thinking maybe user mask in addition to the nick
[22:24] <mjr> though if you develop against another opengl es implementation there, you shouldn't be too far off the mark
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[22:25] <atts> i've been looking for a openvg implementation for linux
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[22:27] <atts> i found a few but they aren't always up to the latest spec
[22:27] <mjr> http://www.mesa3d.org/openvg.html is an OpenVG thing for Gallium3D, should apparently work with egl_softpipe (without acceleration) if you force it (ie. don't have accelerated gallium).
[22:28] <mjr> yeah well, apparently it's just 1.0, not 1.1
[22:28] <atts> maybe the raspi one will be 1.0
[22:29] <mjr> probably the main implementation to look at though, being in Mesa
[22:29] <atts> and there is also the reference implementation from khronos, but i guess it is very slow
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[22:33] <MystX> mrdragons: Thats fine, as long as you only expect people to be on one PC
[22:33] <MystX> =\
[22:34] <xlq> Um, what?
[22:34] <MystX> Also im not sure about that with vhosts
[22:34] <xlq> User mask + nick + user name + real name is how I've seen some bots identify users.
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[22:35] <xlq> Depends what the identification is for. In this case it was a quiz game :)
[22:35] <MystX> Yeah mine just looks for people who are OP in the channel
[22:35] <MystX> Ill let nickserv handle auth
[22:35] <IT_Sean> for a quiz game, the nick is probably enough. nick & user if you want to be extra careful.
[22:36] <MystX> But you can change both of them..
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[22:36] <xlq> Well, the quiz bot tracks nick changes so that your score isn't reset.
[22:37] <MystX> Yes, but someone can quit and come back with a new nick and user
[22:38] <MystX> Tbh someone shouldn't be administrating a bot in a channel that they dont have OP anyways
[22:39] <MystX> ^for stuff that's just normal operation, its a little more relaxed =P
[22:39] <mrdragons> MystX: That's why I haven't implemented it, because I know a bunch of users on here use irc from a bunch of places
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[22:41] <MystX> Hmm. Twisted gives you user symbols. So mine uses iSupport to map symbols to modes, and if it doesnt find the mode it expects, it ignores it
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[22:41] <MystX> But the modes it expects are defined in a constants file
[22:42] <MystX> So if some stupid server uses +z for op, then the user can just change the config and everything is fixed
[22:43] <mrdragons> The bot shouldn't have to force changes on the room though. :\
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[22:45] <MystX> Hmm?
[22:45] <mrdragons> Oh wait, you mean the bot config, derp
[22:46] <MystX> Oh, yeah that
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[22:54] <Boriz_> So good evening PPL... I'm realy new here, just started to lurk the forum over @ raspberrypi.org and I just thought I'd drop by here and ask if there anyone here who had hands-on experiance with the board and what your thoughts are. Would it be the perfect cheap-a**, small footprint htpc?
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[22:54] <IT_Sean> Boriz_: it should run xbmc quite nicely
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[22:55] <IT_Sean> but, i don't think anyone here has hands on access to one
[22:55] <xlq> Boriz_: IMHO needs more beef before you can consider it a "perfect" cheap-a** that.
[22:56] <mrdragons> IT_Sean: MagicalTux stops by here sometimes, and (at least claims) to have a beta board.
[22:56] <xlq> High quality video decoding needs to be done on the GPU, and that needs the foundation to pay for licences.
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[22:57] <MagicalTux> mrdragons: I do
[22:57] <IT_Sean> ahh
[22:57] <mrdragons> Ah, he's here. :P
[22:57] <MagicalTux> 7:00am here
[22:58] <Boriz_> Yeah I saw the vid of the xbmc and that reay got me thinking... I've gone from a desktop pc as a HTPC to the Apple TV 2:gen, and now to a sff Zotac Zbox as my HTPC, but the Rpi looks like so much fun :)
[22:58] * IT_Sean uses a 1st gen AppleTV, running Linux & xbmc, as his htpc
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[23:00] <Boriz_> "perfect" is a realy small SFF pc with enough *oumph* to be funny and interesting for something like the cost of a few pints
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[23:03] <Boriz_> I realy hope that I'll be able to get my fingers on a board when they start to sell 'em. even if i'm no h4xx0r, will be fun just to play aroud with sth again. might even learn a bit or two :)
[23:06] <mrdragons> I wonder how many hackers the raspi will bring into the computer world that would have never written a line of code otherwise
[23:08] <rm> 100% depends on the software side
[23:08] <rm> can they actually pull it off, the education aspect
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[23:08] <Boriz_> Loads I hope! Need more code jockyes, need to make more stuff work and work easy
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[23:10] <Boriz_> I dunno, would be cool but I mean eaven if the just make ppl understand how a few of the stuff works inside a copter and that they are everywhere it would be nice
[23:10] <Boriz_> Just cool to see exacty what the hardware of your average "smart"phone can do when it's in another package
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[23:12] <mrdragons> Definitely, I can't wait to see all the eventual hackaday links arising from this board
[23:13] <xlq> Hackanhour
[23:13] <rm> hackalife!!!
[23:15] <RITRedbeard> no kidding
[23:15] <rm> no, actually that sounds like only one hack per life
[23:15] <rm> which is not so nice
[23:16] <RITRedbeard> they put any drunken guy up there with an arduino and a belly button farting into a pillow
[23:16] <RITRedbeard> apparently that is what qualifies as a "hack" nowadays
[23:16] <RITRedbeard> so imagine what all the little Pi children are gonna do
[23:16] <mrdragons> Eh, they still have a couple really cool projects
[23:16] <IT_Sean> hackaminute
[23:16] <RITRedbeard> yeah, my friends have been on there a buncha times
[23:17] <IT_Sean> Might need a whole new spinoff site: hackapi
[23:17] <RITRedbeard> both collegues from school and online
[23:17] <RITRedbeard> but I would like to think of it as the movie 300
[23:17] <RITRedbeard> "TONIGHT, WE DINE ON RASPBERRY."
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[23:17] <RITRedbeard> or the Scorpion's album "Taken By Force"
[23:17] <mrdragons> Or lord of the rings
[23:17] <mrdragons> "Pi's back on the menu boys"
[23:18] <RITRedbeard> In particular this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jCd9vg3BDw
[23:18] <Boriz_> The thing is that it's so much more then what I even dreamed of when i started with the pc's I mean i started with the C128 and this is SOOO much more then that was. I just hope that the (for todays kids) modest specs can inspire realy good coding
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[23:19] <Boriz_> like the old NES games of the late 80's and early 90's
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[23:19] <Laurenceb_> rapeberrypi
[23:19] <Laurenceb_> wazzup
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[23:19] <mrdragons> RITRedbeard: Nice.
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> Gonna rape these Raspberry Pies like Uli Jon Roth raped that Stratocaster.
[23:19] <Laurenceb_> whats up with the teacher guy
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> I hope it was over 18 at the time of recording. :O
[23:19] <Laurenceb_> is he high on weed or something?
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> certainly writes like he is
[23:20] <rm> I glanced over and thought what a load of drivel
[23:20] <rm> pics of a cow and some clown didn't help either
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> it's a pseudonym for Liz
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi is vaporware, buy Pandaboard and get it over with :P (joke)
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> she so uptight
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> haha
[23:21] <mrdragons> Don't worry, he's going to be sitting in his non-blobby cornet laughing at us
[23:21] <rm> RITRedbeard, add: "Sent from my RhombusTech"
[23:21] <mrdragons> corner*
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> whats with the guy who suggests physical computing is important on the comments
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> and she goes mad.. wtf
[23:21] <cornet> huh....what..... oh
[23:21] <mrdragons> lol
[23:22] <cornet> mrdragons: :)
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> I don't read the front page any more.
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> I just check the tab titled "Shop"
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> expressing of those opinions in a way that isn?t going to offend the person you?re addressing and isn?t going to make you look like a patronising little toad is a learned skill
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> Which is a bit misleading since there is nothing for sale.
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> ^ chill FFS
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> I mean, they can't even keep stickers in stock, how do we expect to get working electronics?!
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> she needs to smoke some weed man
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[23:23] <RITRedbeard> THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS!
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
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[23:23] <RITRedbeard> I frequently make the joke that I think Eben and Liz' sex life is similar to the release of RPi.
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> If you'd come in here more often, you'd know.
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> So now you have two incentives to come here.
[23:24] <esotera> pg13?
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> PG13?
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> Don't they use a different rating system in the UK?
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> Also it was the IT guys fucking swearing up a goddamn motherfucking storm. When I came here I was civil as shit.
[23:25] <RITRedbeard> Besides being facetious in that last one, I think I still am...
[23:25] <RITRedbeard> Also, children need to be exposed to material that is NOT PG-13
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi as an educational tool is going to flop because you have these damn sissies.
[23:26] <esotera> just a reminder, i just read through the log & saw talk about weed & sex lives..
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> "OHHHH NOBODY CODES IN ASSEMBLY WHAT A WASTE"
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> "OHH COME CODE IN C# OR JAVA"
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> Harden up.
[23:27] <RITRedbeard> In industry they'll just give you the boot. What's that? You don't know C++? Are you the team lead or a manager? Then why are you trying to dictate what tools we use to build this project? Get out.
[23:27] <RITRedbeard> Goodbye. Don't call and don't put us on your resume.
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> "COME DO QT C'MON GUYSSS NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ELSE ANYMORE"
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> Harden up.
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> But! But! But! I want to use Visual Studio! I want to use Eclipse!
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, the IT guys laughed at me when I asked if they had emacs.
[23:29] <Aquilus_> The *vast, vast* majority jobs here are Java or C#/.NET
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> "Emacs? Never heard of it." *CLICK*
[23:29] <mrdragons> RITRedbeard: That's when you go swingin'
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> whats QT??
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> /troll
[23:30] <mrdragons> u r. ;)
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> :wq!
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, brother.
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> Bill Joy's vi. 1972.
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> Enter the 36 chambers with the Wu.
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> You think this is a game? Huh? ARF! ARF! ARF!
[23:31] * RITRedbeard is crazy.
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[23:33] <RITRedbeard> I recommend Laurenceb_'s advice though.
[23:34] <RITRedbeard> <Laurenceb_> she needs to smoke some weed man
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> Liz and Ebens sex life is not something i want to think about too much
[23:35] <mrdragons> Yeaaahhh...
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> Liz: you're doing it wrong you Toad - this is worse the blink tags and comic sans
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> Eben: but the datasheet is NDA, i dont know what to do?
[23:35] <RITRedbeard> "No, no, this isn't foreplay, this is the alpha test. It's going to last six months plus."
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[23:36] <RITRedbeard> They don't call him Eben "Blueballs" Upton for nothin'
[23:36] <RITRedbeard> :)
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> lmao
[23:36] * Boriz_ never done anything creative whilst doped up, unless one would see the introvert adoration of music as sth creative.. or , wait... there were that time I had peanut rings and milk instead of cornflakes, realy nice!
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> I wrote Neuromancer while doped up.
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> William Gibson stole my manuscript.
[23:37] <Boriz_> to bad... Nice story tho :)
[23:38] <mrdragons> I'm a musician, and playing guitar or something is always a ton of fun. :P
[23:38] <RITRedbeard> Same.
[23:38] <mrdragons> Brothers!
[23:38] * Boriz_ can play the stereo, thats about it..
[23:38] <RITRedbeard> Speaking of which, I wonder if the low overhead OS on RPi will allow us to use it as signal processor.
[23:38] <Boriz_> But I'm darn proud of it
[23:39] <RITRedbeard> Moreso than those iPhone applications.
[23:39] <RITRedbeard> mrdragons, have you given this any thought?
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> I know NI has Guitar Rig Mobile and it's the same as the big brother but optimized
[23:40] <mrdragons> Yep, I don't know if it's possible or not but I want to give it a shot
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> pretty cool to have basic eq, chorus, distort, delay all in the size of a credit card
[23:40] <mrdragons> I'm a bit more interested in rigging it up as a sort of kaoss pad
[23:41] <mrdragons> Definitely, and have it all be alterable by you
[23:41] <RITRedbeard> capactive touch/old synaptics touchpad
[23:41] <RITRedbeard> :)
[23:42] <RITRedbeard> I bet 20:1 mrdragons is a MUSE fan since he is talking about gitters and kaoss pads.
[23:42] <RITRedbeard> Probably start routing chunks out and trying to get something in there...
[23:42] <mrdragons> Haven't listened to much of their material. :P
[23:42] <RITRedbeard> That's good since I dislike them, I suppose.
[23:43] <mrdragons> More of a DnB/IDM fan as of recent
[23:43] <RITRedbeard> Were the Raspberry Pi stickers metallic? Like the Intel/AMD badge stickers you get?
[23:43] <Boriz_> Naa PPL, it's almost midnight here, time to hit the sack... have a good one!
[23:43] <mrdragons> Nite
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[23:47] <RITRedbeard> midnight
[23:49] <RITRedbeard> MystX, are your PCBs on batchpcb? can I order them or something?
[23:50] <MystX> Er, no not really
[23:51] <MystX> But i can send you the files?
[23:51] <MystX> (I'd wait till I actually get one working though)
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> I'll wait
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> hell, I might even send you or get a spare lappy to you
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> if I get drunk enough sometime this week
[23:55] <MystX> Whooo
[23:56] <MystX> Also, i have some spare boards
[23:56] <MystX> 5 spare
[23:57] <MystX> Maybe 4. I might keep a spare
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