#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-09

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:23] <RITRedbeard> MystX, I have this old fat Thinkpad, still works.
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[0:23] <RITRedbeard> Mobile Pentium summat
[0:23] <RITRedbeard> I figure about an 1"
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[0:23] <RITRedbeard> you could have a cluster of Raspberry Pi inside.
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[0:26] <RITRedbeard> It's unique in the fact that it is the first machine I've seen with French Canadian keyboard.
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> First foreign keyboard.
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> And first Craigslist deal that I bought something that was reasonably priced, easy as pie, and not a headache
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[0:39] <RITRedbeard> it's ReggieUK
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[1:02] <MystX> Huh
[1:03] <tntexplosivesltd> huh?
[1:03] <MystX> What RITRedbeard said
[1:03] <RITRedbeard> Who?
[1:03] <MystX> You
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> Me?
[1:05] <tntexplosivesltd> you?
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> I didn't have my hand in the cookie jar.
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> so who was it?
[1:06] <tntexplosivesltd> There were red beard hairs next to it
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> They ain't mine.
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> That fink bastard MystX planted that, man.
[1:08] <MystX> Im not ginger 0.o
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[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> nor does MystX have facial hair
[1:09] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[1:09] <RITRedbeard> Oooh.
[1:10] <MystX> Well no, i shaved it off
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> I haven't shaved in like four weeks and I have extremely thick hair, so I probably look like a Carthaginian right now... Richard Stallman, or rest his eternal soul, dmr.
[1:12] <RITRedbeard> I could probably pan handle and get enough money to buy several Raspberry Pis.
[1:13] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[1:13] <tntexplosivesltd> "money for pi"
[1:16] <MystX> bcbw
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[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: ...?
[1:22] <MystX> nvm
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't get it
[1:22] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[1:23] <hamitron> I dare someone to slice their pi from the first batch, and auction the slices on ebay for charity
[1:23] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[1:24] <MystX> Looo
[1:24] <MystX> l
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> or sell a ram upgrade, kit, comes with full BGA+PoP workstation, reballing etc
[1:24] * micky_ (~micky@krikkit.msilas.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * reballing machine
[1:24] <MystX> + xray machine
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> that too
[1:24] <hamitron> hehe
[1:24] <tntexplosivesltd> see who's keen then =D
[1:25] <hamitron> tbh, think I'd find that more interesting than the r-pi alone
[1:25] <hamitron> :D
[1:25] <hamitron> but something for the C.V.
[1:26] <RITRedbeard> Wow, I never knew people in the UK were really big into Martial Arts.
[1:27] <RITRedbeard> You guys really into the "honorable sport", eh?
[1:28] <RITRedbeard> Big time pugilists, no?
[1:28] <hamitron> if you call kicking the crap out of someone that, yeh ;)
[1:28] <RITRedbeard> You have an entire holiday dedicated to it.
[1:28] <hamitron> erm?
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> where did you get that idea, RITRedbeard ?
[1:28] <RITRedbeard> Boxing Day.
[1:28] <hamitron> hehe
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> boxing is not a martial art
[1:28] <RITRedbeard> Isn't it self-evident?
[1:29] * Aquilus_ puts RITRedbeard back in his box.
[1:29] <tntexplosivesltd> nor is it honourable
[1:29] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[1:29] <Aquilus_> Perhaps we could get a refund?
[1:29] <RITRedbeard> You'll have to go through a pretty lengthy RMA.
[1:29] <RITRedbeard> I don't recommend it.
[1:29] <RITRedbeard> I was dating a girl one time and she tried to return me.
[1:30] <RITRedbeard> Died of cardiac arrest half way through the process.
[1:30] <MystX> I hate TCL
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> Don't go chasing waterfalls, MystX.
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> Because we don't want no scrubs.
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> Well, I hope you're happy you spoiled my fun.
[1:32] <MystX> What
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> You're supposed to calmly explain to me that boxing day is the holiday where everyone returns stuff and throws out wrapping paper and boxes gifts were wrapped in...
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> Then I was supposed to boast that everyday is boxing day for an American... but not really.
[1:33] <MystX> soz, im actually working =P
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> So in the parlance with our times and your culture... I guess I'm a bit cross with you chaps.
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> Honestly.
[1:34] <MystX> Aquilus_: When does he be quiet?
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> There is a timer. Someone pulled my cord.
[1:35] <Aquilus_> When he runs out of batteries.
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> More like when I run out of Kahlua!
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[1:36] <RITRedbeard> I'll STFU when I have a Pi to play with.
[1:36] <MystX> We hardly knew him =(
[1:36] <MystX> ^^
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> Or when Eben gets laid.
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> Same thing, right?
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> According to my theory.
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> I made him leave.
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> :(
[1:38] <MystX> Fuuuuu tcl sucks so much
[1:38] <tntexplosivesltd> /ignore RITRedbeard
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[1:44] <RITRedbeard> tntexplosivesltd, don't break my heart.
[1:44] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[1:45] <RITRedbeard> Blame MystX, he put cocaine in my amphetamine and amphetamine in my coffee.
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> See? I like word games and good fun, but I get carried away.
[1:50] <MystX> Sweet, the script I wrote ages ago doesnt work.
[1:50] <MystX> Nothing's changed. Except now it doesnt work.
[1:51] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[1:53] <MystX> And i have no idea what's going on since TCLs stack traces are terrible
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[2:13] <koaschten> hey look, advertisement toolbars 2.0 http://www.google.com/landing/screenwisepanel/
[2:14] <mrdragons> Heh
[2:15] <mrdragons> "Install this so we can see what you do so we can make even more money"
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[2:20] <koaschten> mrdragons what they dont tell you on the landing page, they will throw another 100 and 20 a month at you
[2:20] <koaschten> if you install their "router"
[2:20] <mrdragons> Google for world domination
[2:21] <mrdragons> "Knowledge networks" sounds pretty sketchy, not going to lie
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[4:02] * mrdragons *pop*
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> Snap and crackle.
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[4:23] <RITRedbeard> And then I invited knotty's mom to dinner
[4:26] <knotty> and then you gone to dinner alone
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> How's that?
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[5:39] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[5:39] <PiBot> mrdragons: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[5:39] <mrdragons> Ouch.
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[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:58] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Feb 9 08:20:00 2012. Temp -1??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 86%, Later 5??C - 1??C. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
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[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[10:30] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 18??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 22??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> =)
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> !w Upper hutt forecase
[10:30] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 18??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 22??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> !w Upper hutt forecast
[10:30] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 18??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 22??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:30] <PiBot> Fri: High 21??C Low 13??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[10:30] <PiBot> Sat: High 20??C Low 10??C :Condition Chance of Rain
[10:30] <PiBot> Sun: High 20??C Low 10??C :Condition Mostly Sunny
[10:30] <tntexplosivesltd> awwww
[10:31] <Ben64> !w 91730
[10:31] <PiBot> Ben64: in Rancho Cucamonga, CA on Thu Feb 9 08:53:00 2012. Temp 60??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 36%, Later 77??F - 47??F. Condition: Clear.
[10:31] <Ben64> :D
[10:31] <tntexplosivesltd> not bad (I think)
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[10:32] <Ben64> does the bot to calculations?
[10:32] <Ben64> !calc 77 F to C
[10:32] <Ben64> : /
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[10:35] <zutesmog> !w
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[10:35] <zutesmog> !w Perth forecast
[10:35] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:36] <zutesmog> !w Perth Western Australia forecast
[10:36] <PiBot> Not found.
[10:41] <jzu> zutesmog: you don't exist.
[10:42] <zutesmog> ;-)
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[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> !perth
[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w perth
[10:57] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Perth, WA. Temp 35??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 25%, Later 39??C - 21??C. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:57] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Feb 9 09:20:00 2012. Temp -1??C. Condition: Drizzle, Humidity: 86%, Later 5??C - 1??C. Condition: Chance of Snow.
[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> and I have a flat tire
[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> :(
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
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[11:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> time for coffee I think
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[11:06] <Davespice> good morning chaps o/
[11:07] <Davespice> I know this is a bit off topic, but it made me laugh so hard. Has anyone seen those 'How to pronounce' youtube videos?
[11:08] <Davespice> check out; http://www.youtube.com/user/PronunciationManual (it is very very funny)
[11:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm - pretty not funny on most of them TBH ...YMMV
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[11:17] * Davespice shrugs
[11:17] <Davespice> the Guiness one had me in stitches
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[11:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> it would be better if it had some relationship to the letters there really
[11:22] <Davespice> I think you'll find the guy is mocking this channel here; http://www.youtube.com/user/pronunciationbook
[11:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha right
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[11:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> even better run both at once
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[11:41] <TSL> I was thinking on how to use the RPi on the go: http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/solar-battery-charger-for-phones-cameras-usb-devices-pink/ plus a mini-to-micro usb adapter...
[11:44] <DaMummy> youre buying solar chargers from chinese websites? why dont you add some batteries and and storage devices to go along with that?
[11:46] <mjr> you realize the pi would eat that up in a little over an hour
[11:47] <DaMummy> its a solar charger.....its not like it doesnt continue to charge
[11:47] <mjr> very, very slowly
[11:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> read http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/solar-power?value=solar&type=1&include=1&search=1&ret=all about solar power
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[11:54] <SpeedEvil> It's a shame the panel size you need for continual operation is so damn insane.
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[11:58] <SpeedEvil> In short for reliable 24*7, you need a system that will be hard to lift.
[11:59] <zutesmog> Do we actually have a measured power consumption for the RPi, the Power rating on the Wiki says 700mA, I assume thats the maximum draw the power supply can deal with as opposed to the actual running load in a typical scenario.
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall someone mentioning 1W
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> which would be about ballpark for an arm system without decent powersaving,.
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[12:05] <zutesmog> I have one of these mounted outside with a JeeNode (RF comms) part of a solar wirless security system I am building. Has 12AH battery in it. I am pretty sure it would run a raspberrypi for quite some time ;-) http://www.solarledlighting.com.au/viewitem.php?productid=9
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[12:06] <zutesmog> As long as the floods aren't on ;-)
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[12:07] <SpeedEvil> For a few hours, or minutes a day, yes.
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[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Maybe an hour a day, on many winter days here.
[12:09] <zutesmog> On battery the Floods will run for about 5 hours. They are drawing 23 watts @ 1.7amp.
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[12:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> if it is not powering a screen then it's consumtion is a lot less
[12:10] <zutesmog> So it will be interesting to see what the real current draw an the RPi is in practice, and what strategies can be to minimise power use. And yes I have now plans at all for screen.
[12:11] <zutesmog> s/now/no/
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[12:11] <SpeedEvil> Of course, if you want a Pi, you want to do somwthing for it, so you can't neglect that power consumption.
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[12:11] <SpeedEvil> It would be lovely if the datasheet was enough to allow development of powersaving modes.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> But it's silent on thet front.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> ^I mean if you've got it plugged into a webcam, you can't neglect the use of the webcam
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[12:13] <zutesmog> yeah I noticed that. (No web cam planned for the solar locations.) I wonder if there is any ability to drop the clock speed of the CPU
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> That's - generally - not meaningful
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> you drop power usage by half or so, even at 'zero' clock.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> What's really needed is the ability to turn off functional units and deeply suspend between interrupts.
[12:14] <zgreg> proper support for the sleep mode of the cpu is actually more important
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[12:14] <zgreg> that's also true on PCs
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> cpufreq is largely pointless except for limited usecases like mp3 decoding
[12:15] <zgreg> I wonder, does the gpu have power management capabilities?
[12:16] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: no, this can still be quite effective
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[12:16] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: With modern CPUs, especially if you don't have voltage scaling, simply reducing the CPU clock doesn't do that much to reduce power consumption. Simply as static power leakage is quite high.
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> It can easily reach 20-30% of the normal operating power, even if the chip is 'stopped'.
[12:17] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: but you do have voltage scaling
[12:17] <zgreg> that's of course the sole reason why it is so effective
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[12:17] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: Why do you think so? Voltage scaling is usually an extra feature that is more costly, and will require either lots of internal area on the chip, or a companion chip.
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[12:18] <SpeedEvil> For a device targeted as this one seems to be at media players, where it may be expected to be mainly only on when the screen is on, that's largely an unneeded, costly feature.
[12:18] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: it's pretty much a standard feature, as far as I know
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[12:19] <zgreg> but the rpi doesn't have a SoC for mobile devices, so maybe you're right
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: I'm basing this on various ARM and similar processor datashets I've read recently.
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> On the low end
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> high-end ones targeted at shiny mobiles pretty much inevitably have much, much better consumption.
[12:20] <zgreg> well, even the low-end ARM SoCs for smartphones, etc. have capable power management
[12:20] <zgreg> such as the msm7227 I'm using at the moment
[12:20] <zgreg> voltages can be scaled, and clock frequencies of cpu, gpu and busses can be controlled independently
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> The ones going into stuff which doesn't require PM don't tend to, as a cost saving measure
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> Often the voltage regulators are on a companion chip.
[12:21] <zgreg> yes, but some kind of regulation is required anyway
[12:21] <zutesmog> This Q&A http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/169 suggests the chip has the capabilities but software may not be available to take advantage of low power modes.
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> It's a _lot_ cheaper to simply use a constant 1.8V rail, than have proper agile SMPS regulators.
[12:21] <zgreg> yeah, okay
[12:21] <zgreg> we'll see :)
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> For example, the TI OMAP series has a companion chip with 6(?) seperately adjustable supply rails that are popped on and off and varied in voltage as the chip does things and changes speed.
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> This is a _lot_ more expensive than a 3.3->1.8 LDO
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, you can sidestep this if suspend-RAM will work
[12:23] <zgreg> well, linear regulation sure sucks, though :)
[12:24] <zgreg> but right, it wouldn't surprise on rpi
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> Sure. It's cheap though. And one regulator, not 6 is cheaper. :/
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Even if in principle the chip can do better, if it has one regulator, with no switching, it may not be able to.
[12:25] * SpeedEvil rages against stupid pulseaudio.
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[13:06] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[13:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://images.4channel.org/f/src/589217_scale_of_universe_enhanced.swf <awesome
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[14:03] <EmbeddedGuy> Another way to do some development for the Raspberry Pi : http://www.pimpmypi.com/blog/blogPost.php?blogPostID=2
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[14:13] <ukscone1> i havd just invented a new definition of "complete and utter waste of time" :)
[14:14] <ukscone1> i have the vmips emu/simul running inside my raspberry pi emulator running inside my virtualbox vm
[14:14] <ukscone1> :D
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[14:18] <Aquilus_> ukscone1: I heard you like emulators?
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[14:20] <ukscone1> Aquilus_: like is probably too strong a word. i don't mind using them and quite often they are the easiest way to solve a problem
[14:20] <ukscone1> the only emulators i LIKE are the ones for things like the tandy model3, newbrain, camputers lynx.....
[14:21] <Aquilus_> (That was a humorous meme reference, not a serious question)
[14:22] <ukscone1> Aquilus_: i realised that about 30 seconds after i pressed send but the sentiment does still count as i often get teased for using them
[14:22] <Aquilus_> Hehe, alright.
[14:22] <ukscone1> i use them even when i have the real hardware quite often
[14:23] <ukscone1> especially for embedded devices
[14:23] <ukscone1> i like having desktop tools available when doing embedded stuff so large chunks of code are written and tested in an emulator only when it mostly works does it get put on the real hw
[14:24] <Aquilus_> It can be convenient, yeah.
[14:25] <Aquilus_> Except when it's the Android emulator.
[14:25] <Aquilus_> Much more efficient to just deploy the code on a test device, that's how slow it is.
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[14:26] <ukscone1> :)
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[14:27] <Caver> yeah it's not the fastest thing arounf
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[14:27] <Caver> I think it's qemu behind the scenes as well
[14:28] <ukscone1> Caver: it's probably nested qemu's :)
[14:29] <ukscone1> most nested qemu's i've managed to get (with processor change) is 5
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[14:41] <Caver> wohoo :)
[14:42] <Caver> *counts on fingers*
[14:42] <Caver> I can claim 3
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> There is a nutter over on ##electronics who has a PC emulator.
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> Running on an 8031.
[14:43] <Caver> whats 8031?
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> It's a small 8 bit processor.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Similar to the one that was (historically) in all PC keyboards.
[14:44] <Caver> ah yes
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Admittedlym, teh one he's using does clock a lot faster.
[14:44] <Caver> sniggers poor thing
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[14:44] <Caver> but as they do say ... "why not?"
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[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[14:49] <lasttime> Any RP news?
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[14:49] <Caver> all quiet I think
[14:50] <lasttime> apparently, my rss feed of the RP forums was flooded this morning though, 140+ items
[14:50] <Caver> I could be cruel and say oh no ... you missed the sale, all gone, but that would be cruel and unkind
[14:50] <Caver> yes just reading forums at the moment
[14:51] <lasttime> ohh, I've already checked the main site, heh
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[14:55] <lasttime> Is there anything that will accept lets say 4 hdmi in connections and split a single monitor into quadrants based upon that?
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[15:01] <lasttime> hmm, doesn't look good, aside from a single picture in picture
[15:02] <Henchman21> might want to look into a projector instead
[15:02] <Caver> 4 hdmi's together? I doubt it, the encryption problems alone would be a nightmare
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLlObpob6lg&feature=youtu.be - this is completely random - making a sword.
[15:03] <Henchman21> i found a splitter googling but thats about it
[15:06] <lasttime> yep, it's a no-go. That's alright though, it was more of a pipedream. The idea was multiple RPs as a portable classic lan gaming setup all outputting to a single tv, so no matter where you go, you and three of your friends could play at once.
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[15:07] <lasttime> along the lines of how a FPS splits up a screen into quadrants, except a single RP per quad but all networked together
[15:08] <Henchman21> yeah i dont think so
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[15:09] <lasttime> speedevil: DIY Beserk sword vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR1gCSO9NB0
[15:10] <lasttime> ok, what about multiple RPs working together as a tabletop game...
[15:11] <jzu> viking swords were usually made of bronze
[15:11] <IT_Sean> what sort of game?
[15:11] <jzu> iron sword were imported
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> jzu: and yes - this isn't actually legit. It's very unauthentic in almost every way.
[15:14] <jzu> in the sagas, you read about those guys trying to straighten out their swords while fighting
[15:15] <Aquilus_> That's what you get when a Frenchman tries to be a viking :p
[15:15] <lasttime> I was thinking a rogue-like dungeon crawler, something with sensors underneath, lcd/touchscreen maybe, projector overhead
[15:16] * Caver wants some of what your smoking :)
[15:16] <lasttime> even connecting a RP to a Kinect for some kind of depth based display
[15:16] * IT_Sean wants some of whatever lasttime is shmoking
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[15:17] <lasttime> it's all in the realm of possibility, it's just a matter of how much work and money I want to put into it.
[15:17] <Caver> :)
[15:17] <IT_Sean> aye
[15:17] <IT_Sean> it'l be a LOT of work :p
[15:17] <Caver> did you see the forum thread on how you could connect multiple Pi's together in the fastest manor
[15:17] <IT_Sean> and it won't be cheap.
[15:18] <mjr> by the way, when they get around to making a case, will there be official case models available for 3d-printing or will printable cases be left to hobbyists?
[15:18] <Caver> DSI <--> CSI
[15:18] <lasttime> so not over ethernet?
[15:18] <lasttime> interesting
[15:18] <IT_Sean> iiiiinteresting
[15:18] <Caver> no remember the ethernet is connected via USB to the SoC ... so will be limited in terms of latency and bandwidth by that ...
[15:19] <lasttime> absolutly, but I doubt even with multiple RPs talking I could ever saturate the full bus
[15:19] <mjr> it's 100M ethernet. It isn't bandwidth-constrained by the USB.
[15:19] <lasttime> maybe if I was moving large files around
[15:19] <Caver> huh?
[15:19] <Caver> remember usb is simplex, not duplex
[15:20] <Caver> yeah ... anyway you'd burn a lot of CPU time, so if you can make the GPU do it for you, in the background - so much the better
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[15:21] <mjr> making the GPU do anything weird for you doesn't seem to be in the cards
[15:21] <Caver> anyway - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/pi-pi-connectivity-bandwidth-without-usb-or-ethernet
[15:22] <lasttime> "Gert - For back-to-back, connecting DSI to CSI will give you >1 Gbits/sec "
[15:23] <Caver> tis nice having a friendly gert to bounce mad ideas off
[15:24] <lasttime> ok.. this all raises more questions than it answers
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> DSI to CSI will not give >1G/s sanely
[15:24] <Caver> as ever in life
[15:25] <Caver> well go and put him right on the subject :)
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> I would also question if the memory bandwidth exists to write 128M/s to the DSI while it's being read out
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[15:28] <ukscone1> not sure if i should mention this :D but hydra builds and runs nicely on the raspi emulator (libs willing)
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[15:28] <SpeedEvil> hydra=?
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[15:28] <Caver> interesting point ... I don't know how quick the POP memory can run
[15:28] <ukscone1> SpeedEvil: http://thc.org/thc-hydra/
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Caver: That's not solely what I'm meaning.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Caver: The internal bus of the ARM can in some cases become contended, and vastly slow things down
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[15:29] <ukscone1> minimal change to the makefile needed (-lpthread) and some libs installed into the rootfs using yum and a couple needed to be hand built due to not being in fedora
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Memory bandwidth is a seperate issue, also relevant.
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[15:31] <Caver> nods I don't know anything about the internal bus on the SoC
[15:32] <Caver> but I can imagine it defo doesn't infinite bandwidth
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[15:36] <lasttime> Open source kinect based framework for building table top games: http://code.google.com/p/kinected/
[15:38] <lasttime> all c# code though
[15:39] <lasttime> tabletop board projection: http://www.d20srd.org/extras/tabletop_projection/
[15:39] <Caver> might work on mono ... rather depends how it's been done
[15:39] <lasttime> I can just port the code thats written, the problem is that it's based on micro$ofts xna engine
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[15:41] <lasttime> OpenKinect : http://openkinect.org/wiki/Main_Page
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[15:44] <zgreg> re: memory bandwidth
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[15:44] <zgreg> what kind of memory is used on the pi anyway? 32-bit ddr?
[15:44] <zgreg> what is it clocked at?
[15:45] <Caver> don't know ... anyone - might be in the wiki somewhere
[15:45] <zgreg> it's quite important since there's little cache
[15:46] <zgreg> and I remember someone saying that the output video resolution has major impact on arm cpu performance, so I suppose there is not much bandwidth available
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[15:46] <Caver> that would be bus speeds too I suppose
[15:47] <Caver> Wiki says it's SDRAM but thats all I know
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[15:47] <zgreg> well sure it's sdram :D
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[15:48] <lasttime> projector + IR + ps3eye camera + misc = multitouch surface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQALGcj2fg
[15:49] <Caver> :)
[15:49] <zgreg> it would be rather surprising to see sram or core memory (anyone remember this?) for main memory :D
[15:49] <Caver> I did rig up the demo with a Wii controller and 2 IR sources to make a 3D viewing platform
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[15:53] <lasttime> Very nice, I've seen the wii touchscreen mods with the IR tipped pens, good stuff
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> sdram would surprise.
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[16:03] <Caver> why would it supprise? :)
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[16:05] <zgreg> sdram is a very generic term
[16:05] <zgreg> i.e. ddr ram is a type of sdram
[16:05] <Caver> yup
[16:06] <Caver> I was just quoting the wiki and saying it doesn't really answer the question!
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I was meaning actual SDRAM as in DDR/SD
[16:08] <Caver> got ya
[16:08] <Caver> double data rate or not ...
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> I tried to see if I could source some POP memory to update my phone.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Alas, it's damn hard to find even datasheets of.
[16:09] <Caver> ahaha ... hope your good at very fine soldering
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it's not so bad.
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[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Start out with the parts _very_ clean in a nitrogen atmosphere, tiny hair of flux, centre them, and reflow
[16:10] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:10] <Caver> reflow he says causally!
[16:10] <Caver> I have a very dead laptop upstairs as a result at my reflowing attempts
[16:10] <IT_Sean> bugger... my battery is about to die.
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Nitrogen is probably optional, but seems to make things more likely to work based on some TI reports I found on soldering POP.
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, did you try to reflow it in an oven?
[16:12] <Caver> googling pop ram, gets you all sorts of interesting results ... but very few to do with memory
[16:12] <Caver> yup ... it worked for about a month after, then died again
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> and you thought the oven reflow method is a reliable way to fix a laptop?
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[16:14] <Caver> no I thought as the alternative was landfilling it, it might be worth a try
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> invest in a heat gun or reflow station =)
[16:15] <Caver> which would have been a lot more than the laptop was worth sadly
[16:16] <Caver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hba5Ad879cI
[16:16] <Caver> quite amaising it worked at all to be honest
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I am surprised as well. I know people had success fixing their xboxes like that, but still.
[16:18] <Davespice> yeah, the "towel trick" :)
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[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> And a reflow station pays for itself. If only by hours of amusement you get from melting random things.
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> Heatguns are getting cheaper
[16:18] <Caver> oooh .... tell me more :)
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[16:18] <SpeedEvil> Only ~$100 for a hot-air+soldering station.
[16:18] <slaeshjag> hot-air rework stations are silly cheap now
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> Shipped
[16:19] <Caver> do they then condense on the ceiling above it?
[16:19] <Caver> got a link?
[16:19] <Caver> I feel a birthday gift comming on
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMD-KADA-852D-Digital-Display-SMT-DDS-Soldering-2-1-/350505744279?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item519bc53797
[16:20] <Caver> thats slightly worrying how fast you posted that
[16:20] * slaeshjag got a 585D
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[16:20] <slaeshjag> 858D*
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[16:21] <SpeedEvil> Caver: Naah - just type 'e 852D+' into firefox, then copy and paste teh link
[16:21] * Caver closes the link before he commits more credit card abuse
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> It's useful for small-scale plastic welding too.
[16:22] <Caver> stop it ... oh temptress
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[16:27] <Caver> I'm making a reprap for my next little project, and defo fancy the idea of being able to make it into a mini PCB milling machine
[16:27] <Caver> http://reprap.org/wiki/PCB_Milling
[16:28] <Caver> which is defo only a simple electronics type thing
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Doing better than toner transfer is damn-nigh impossible.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Toner transfer can often do .25mm/.25mm
[16:38] <Caver> toner transfer?
[16:39] <Caver> I guessing this isn't to do with laser printing
[16:39] <Caver> or as in optical etching type stuff?
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> yes, laser printing
[16:41] <Caver> nods
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> you print the circuit out.
[16:41] <Caver> yup have done it with a friend before now
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> and then laminate it onto the circuit board at high temps - perhaps using a clothes iron.
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[16:41] <SpeedEvil> and then wash the paper off
[16:44] <Caver> uhuh ... the one I was using, you project the image on to it and then that unexposed area can be removed in acid
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[16:46] <SpeedEvil> That's another option
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> http://gilmore2.chem.northwestern.edu/projects/garbz2_prj.php
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> toner transfer
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> it can be much finer tracks than this.
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[16:48] <SpeedEvil> laminators can be found that will work and avoid ironing
[16:49] <Caver> cool as I've got one in the cupboard too
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dr-lex.be/hardware/tonertransfer.html
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[17:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I've found toner transfer and HCl + Hydrogen Peroxide method to be very effective, cheap and simple.
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[17:04] <ShiftPlusOne> though probably not worth the effort considering that you can have them made fairly cheap for you nowadays.
[17:08] <Caver> well I imagine for prototyping it might be
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[17:12] <chris_99> can you get finer tracks with the UV development method
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[17:26] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: yes
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> There is someone over on ##electronics doing 2.5um 'tracks'
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Though not on copper
[17:26] <chris_99> wow! that was the method i was planning on going for when i start making pcbs
[17:26] <chris_99> whats he using?
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> 2 layer PCB however is remrkably cheap
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> A microscope objective, to expose silicon
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> 2.5um is below what can be usefully done with normal copper PCBs
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> as the thickness of the track is 12.5um
[17:28] <chris_99> know what he's making that requires tracks that small?
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> microchips
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> thickness of the copper
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> diy microchips? O_o
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> If you try to make tracks smaller than ~50um or so, you get them undercutting hopelessly
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: yes.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Aiming at simple MEMS first.
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[17:29] <SpeedEvil> azonberg
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> azonenberg even
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[17:30] <ShiftPlusOne> crazy
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> He's also making a laptop.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> From a DIY softcore on a FPGA
[17:31] <ShiftPlusOne> he's working from just a wafer?
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: For the silicon fab - yes
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> not for the FPGA
[17:31] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, yeah I got that much
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> That would be considerably more expensive.
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I remember jeri ellsworth try something similar, though it was just a transistor which barely worked
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> She wasn't really doing it seriously.
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> and it was massive.... I can't even imagine how he's doing it without some specialized equipment =/
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> I mean - not trying to make it from actual masks - however primitive
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[17:35] <SpeedEvil> http://colossus.cs.rpi.edu/~azonenberg/papers/litho1.pdf
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> 'DIY fabrication of microstructures by projection lithography'
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> awesome, thanks
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> is he a student or a professor/lecturer?
[17:36] <lasttime> possibility? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-powered-lan-gaming-house something along these lines except RPs and a much less modern game
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: student
[17:37] <Caver> I just joined ##electronics ... seems like WW2 just kicked off
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> It's a moderately lively channel.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> 'barkflap' seems to be trolling. Not a regular.
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> lasttime, yeah, with pong or something.
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> In general, it's a helpful channel. If there are actual questions, random chatter tends to drop for a bit.
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[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, even basic questions are ok there. Try asking a basic question in c++.... =/
[17:40] <lasttime> aww, well that's a shame, I was thinking of maybe something like http://ufoai.ninex.info/wiki/index.php/News as it supports 6 people at once
[17:40] <Caver> well thats cos you should be asking basic questions on #basic :P
[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, yeah I was going to clarify that it wasn't a BASIC question, lol.
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[17:41] <Caver> well if we're talking of peddentry ....
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[17:41] <lasttime> ok, time to look for a 2d linux based open source lan multiplayer rpg
[17:41] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> lasttime, I am exaggerating 'course
[17:42] <Caver> slightly ...
[17:42] <mjr> lasttime, manaworld?
[17:42] <Caver> doom? :P
[17:42] <drazyl> perl?
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> dikumud!
[17:43] <Caver> nethack :)
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> nethack is not parallel multiplayer
[17:43] <Caver> (if you squint real hard)
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> IT's serial multiplayer
[17:43] <lasttime> http://themanaworld.org/ manaworld looks great!
[17:43] <Caver> fair point
[17:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> nethack is awesome
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> I did propose something which would make nethack more multiplayer
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> lasttime, looks great, but lacks a lot of features which make these games 'fun'.
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> For example, objects falling down holes and being destroyed would appear through holes in the roof of other players games.
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> nethack.alt.org also
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> remote nethack on a server, so you get bones!
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> Also - ##nethack
[17:45] <mjr> a long time ago when I tried nethack a bit, I left bones along with a jackal called Nicholson and my workroommate found those. It was pretty amusing.
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> - 32 games in progress
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> I tend to puddingfarm too much.
[17:46] <mjr> this was around when Wolf starring Jack wasn't a very old movie yet
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:47] <mjr> it wasn't very new either though, probably had come out of the telly recently or something
[17:47] <lasttime> Battle for Wesnoth http://www.wesnoth.org/
[17:48] <ShiftPlusOne> lasttime, yeah, that one is quite good.
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> one of the more polished linux games
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[17:50] <lasttime> looks like a winner to me
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> lasttime, what are you doing exactly?
[17:51] <lasttime> spit-balling RP based projects
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[17:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right
[17:52] * Caver retreats from ##electronics ... I just can't take it in there
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[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> you picked a bad time to join
[17:55] <Caver> I'll try another day
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[17:57] <Davespice> I've been thinking about trying Wesnoth out
[17:58] <Davespice> I've installed it but not played it much yet, I like turn based strategy as a genre
[17:58] <Davespice> Civ, Age of Wonders etc
[17:59] <Davespice> X-com even :)
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[18:02] <traeak> themanaworld there was some other 2d mmorpg out 10 years ago that looked like this
[18:02] <traeak> sort of
[18:02] <traeak> this looks like pokemon type graphix
[18:02] <traeak> heh
[18:03] <traeak> i guess pretty common. there's a couple of free rpg's in the android store that also use similar renderings
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, ragnarok online maybe?
[18:03] <lasttime> can you host a local server for ragnarok?
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but it's a windows game
[18:04] <lasttime> ..ohh
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> seems to be what the mana world is based on
[18:04] <traeak> this game was cross platform
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[18:05] <traeak> it was sort of like a mix of nethack and irc with 2d graphics
[18:05] <traeak> anyways the art assets from this manaworld could possibly be recycled?
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[18:07] <traeak> http://www.cowboom.com/product/825768?utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_source=2493752&utm_campaign=CJ
[18:07] <traeak> youch so tempting
[18:07] <mjr> AIUI they're recycleably licensed but must admit I haven't checked
[18:10] <traeak> likely in the spirit of things any game using their art assets would need to be open source
[18:10] <traeak> not saying that's a bad thing
[18:12] <lasttime> manaworld git https://github.com/mana
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[19:26] <lasttime> another article : http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=66036
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[19:27] <Caver> a $35 tablet ....!
[19:28] <Caver> yeah more like heavily subsidised ...
[19:29] <Caver> I wish they'd stop calling the Pi a "PC" though ... makes all the wrong ideas
[19:29] <traeak> hmm
[19:29] <traeak> rpi is also "subsidized" as well
[19:29] <traeak> ie: they're allowed to purchase in low volume
[19:29] <traeak> etc
[19:30] <Caver> maybe, but the general public *are* allowed to buy it at that price
[19:30] <traeak> yes true
[19:30] <Caver> which wasn't true of that horrid tablet
[19:30] <traeak> heh
[19:31] <traeak> same with the ill fated xo-pc
[19:33] <Caver> I reckon broadcom must be fairly happy with it's PR so far though ....
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[19:35] <lasttime> broadcom .. or ... the "why isn't my wifi working on whatever distro" people
[19:36] <zgreg> the 35$ tablet is a complete joke, yeah
[19:37] <Tobias|> Isn't it a PC, Caver?
[19:37] <traeak> well yeah broadcom has that reputation yeah
[19:37] <Caver> you tell me
[19:37] <Tobias|> I'd say it is
[19:37] <Caver> PC to me tends to be short hand for "IBM PC"
[19:38] <Tobias|> In the same way I'd say a Mac is just a brand of PC
[19:38] <zgreg> I think in the end the BOM was 50$ and with all the additional costs it's more like 70-80$ end user price
[19:38] <Tobias|> just a branded PC*
[19:38] <zgreg> and incidently, you can also get cheap china tablets in that price range from dealextreme and the like
[19:38] <traeak> hmm
[19:38] <Caver> probably a generation thing ... anything not intel wasn't a PC ...
[19:38] <Caver> the Archimedies I has was very defo *not* a PC
[19:39] <Caver> as it was ARM
[19:39] <Tobias|> Macs use intel CPUs these days, and people still differentiate the two for some (idiotic?) reason
[19:39] <traeak> pc == wintel ??
[19:39] <Caver> or lintel :)
[19:39] <Tobias|> I'd say mintel, but you'd think I was referring to linux mint :[
[19:40] <traeak> heh
[19:40] <traeak> haven't tried mint
[19:40] <traeak> since i do development work i really really dn't like debian for that
[19:40] <lasttime> lmde ftw
[19:40] <traeak> i have an appliance running xubuntu and it's not bad for what it does
[19:40] <traeak> "appliance" meaning special purpose computer
[19:40] <Caver> oh - whats that?
[19:41] <traeak> audio recording, broadcasting
[19:41] <traeak> cd burning
[19:41] <traeak> remastering
[19:41] <rm> Tobias|, Macs use UEFI across all models
[19:41] <traeak> that's about it
[19:41] <rm> on PC it's still a rarity
[19:43] <Caver> ahaha you used PC to mean a intel/amd machine ... I rest my case :)
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[19:45] <Caver> hands up here, who uses a linux machine as a day to day setup?
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[19:46] <Caver> *disappointed*
[19:46] <Caver> no one?
[19:46] * Caver puts hand up
[19:47] <traeak> oh yeah i do
[19:47] <Dagger3> well, I do, but not on my desktop
[19:47] <traeak> here at home, even got my wife on it :-p
[19:47] <Dagger3> since it has trouble handling my multiple monitor setup :(
[19:47] <traeak> i ssh into and run rdesktop to the windows box when i need to
[19:47] <Caver> you have more than 2 or something?
[19:47] <traeak> what video card then ?
[19:48] <Caver> heheh yup I use rdesktop all the time - it's amaising
[19:48] <traeak> run cygwin ssh server, makes it actually tolerable
[19:48] <Dagger3> yeah, 3. ATI HD6850 + HD3200
[19:48] <traeak> right now i have a gf240 in this box
[19:48] <Caver> mine's a fairly boring AMD HD3450 running a pair of 1680x1080 screens
[19:48] <traeak> sometimes i swap out with a 4670
[19:49] <traeak> but i only run a 19x12 setup
[19:49] <traeak> don't bother with multiple heads (this one is a 28")
[19:49] <Caver> nods ... a collegue of mine has 3 monitors and always upgrades x.org .... "very carefully"
[19:49] <Caver> works a treat
[19:49] <Dagger3> X can't do acceleration + "dragging windows between monitors" over multiple graphics cards, so you either use Xinerama and lose acceleration, or you don't and windows get stuck on their initial monitor
[19:49] <traeak> in the long ago past when i used to multihead
[19:49] <traeak> i ended up running e17
[19:49] <traeak> it allowed me to have independent virtual desktops on each head
[19:50] <traeak> i'm not sure which window managers today allow that
[19:50] <traeak> but IMHO that's a required feature
[19:50] <Caver> Dagger3, this is accelerated no Xinerama and works just fine
[19:51] <traeak> e17 pissed me off because it doesn't have wireframe move/resize options
[19:51] <Caver> I love that I can have seperate task bars for each screen
[19:51] <Dagger3> Caver: yeah, but you only have one graphics card. you're using xrandr, but xrandr can't merge screens on different cards
[19:51] <traeak> which window manager?
[19:51] <Caver> no but AMD drivers can
[19:51] <traeak> yeah, i ran into trouble when trying to run multiple vid cards
[19:52] <traeak> all amd or all nvidia i think
[19:52] <Caver> I use big standard Ubuntu 10.10 gnome
[19:52] <Caver> I use *bog standard Ubuntu 10.10 gnome
[19:52] <traeak> i do have a spare monitor sitting in the corner
[19:52] <Dagger3> I also had some crap involving menus opening such that the menu was aligned with the top of my smallest monitor, often leading to a several-inch gap between the menu bar and the top of the menu :(
[19:53] <traeak> Dagger3: when extending the laptop screen with xfce i have problems with the task bar also
[19:53] <Caver> Dagger3, which release of linux are you using?
[19:54] <Caver> http://i.imgur.com/b5nxc.jpg
[19:54] <Caver> oops wrong window
[19:55] <Dagger3> traeak: xfce worked ok for me, except there was some issue with opening the application menu from the keyboard (I can't remember exactly what, but it was multi-monitor-alignment related)
[19:55] <traeak> yeah
[19:55] <traeak> i lose the task bar off the screen bottom
[19:55] <Dagger3> Caver: Debian testing, although it was a few months ago and I haven't tried it with the latest Xorg
[19:56] <Caver> nods
[19:56] <Caver> xorg is slowely getting a lot better at this kind of stuff
[19:56] <traeak> not sure if that's an xorg problem or more likely window manager related
[19:56] <Caver> I *finally* don't have to have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... it just detects things correctly :)
[19:56] <traeak> that's true
[19:57] <traeak> freedesktop wresting control from xorg
[19:57] <mchou> anybody know if RP will ship with a power supply?
[19:57] <Dagger3> Caver: I booted that install the other day, but... yeah, I didn't feel like trying to upgrade X. "very carefully" is right
[19:57] <Caver> though I am scared to even try upgrading to 11.11
[19:57] <traeak> i believe you can order one with your pi
[19:57] <Caver> mchou, not as standard no
[19:57] <traeak> for my dev machines i run windowmaker
[19:57] <traeak> if other people might use them i put on xfce
[19:58] <mchou> well, the $35 price point is looking less and less interesting
[19:58] <traeak> ~$5 for a power supply
[19:58] <traeak> sothat shouldnt' be a concern
[19:58] <mchou> considering I got the dockstar for $20
[19:58] <traeak> wuts a dockstr?
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[19:58] <mchou> which included power supply
[19:58] <Caver> yeah it's not really $35 ... it's $35 + PSU + SD Card + possible HDMI + keyboard etc ....
[19:58] <Dagger3> traeak: sounds like it might be xrandr-related... I noticed that xrandr produces a rectangular display, with your mouse going off the bottom into dead space (yet another thing that Windows manages to Just Do Right :/)
[19:59] <mchou> traeak: google is your friend
[19:59] <traeak> heh
[19:59] <traeak> mchou: too lazy ...
[19:59] <traeak> going price for a dockstar looks to be 90usd
[20:00] <Caver> ahahahah
[20:00] <mchou> that's from scalpers
[20:00] <mchou> seagate cleared them out last year
[20:00] <Caver> not really a comparison then!
[20:00] <mchou> dockstar was rapaged too
[20:01] <Caver> for that argument I picked up a working laptop for ??10 recently
[20:01] <mchou> rampaged*
[20:01] <mchou> Caver: except I'm not looking for a laptop
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[20:01] <mchou> looking for embedded device
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[20:02] <Caver> me too, but silly one off discounts are not a reasonable comparison
[20:02] <mchou> traeak: you can also get pogoplugs, which are pretty much the same thing, closer to $35
[20:03] <mchou> traeak: they're just a bit fugly
[20:03] <Caver> I like that it's *designed* to be messed with, I don't have to hope the rooting process still works
[20:03] <traeak> mchou: i actually *DO* want somethign that can operate as a gaming console, not as a dumb server/device controller
[20:03] <Caver> if I do brick it, it won't cost me a fortune
[20:04] <mchou> traeak: that's fine, maybe you should get that laptop :)
[20:04] <traeak> mchou: nah, i already have some netbooks as it is
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[20:05] <traeak> mchou: funny thing, thse laptops all don't have hdmi out, etc
[20:05] <mchou> for $40 + shipping I'd rather go with the E350
[20:05] <mchou> build a real nas
[20:06] <rm> where do you get rackstars for $20
[20:06] <rm> err, dockstars
[20:06] <traeak> to build a *real* nas you probably need more horsepower i would think
[20:06] <Caver> he said it was a one off sale
[20:06] <mchou> traeak: a real nas would have gigabit rather than fast ethernet, for one
[20:06] <traeak> i have an athlon2 x4 here doing nas service, sometimes the cpu is required
[20:06] <mchou> Caver: it wasn't one off
[20:07] <traeak> yeah, i have an intel gigabie pci-e in it
[20:07] <mchou> pretty much second half of last year, iirc
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[20:07] <traeak> media server or for real nas?
[20:07] <traeak> hehe
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[20:10] <mchou> add on top the ram rquirements for zfs
[20:13] <traeak> zfs ??
[20:13] <traeak> ugh
[20:13] <traeak> hmm...wonder why i chose xfs for our nas
[20:14] <tntexplosivesltd> parallel IO ?
[20:14] <tntexplosivesltd> xfs looks pretty good
[20:14] <traeak> need high throughput and yeah the clients are all multi threaded
[20:14] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[20:14] <traeak> xfs isn't very nice about power outages
[20:14] <rm> XFS is nice, except it can't be shrinked
[20:14] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, power outages yeah
[20:14] <rm> afaik that has been mostly fixed quite long ago
[20:15] <traeak> i probably built this thing 16 months ago or something
[20:15] <traeak> imagery datasets
[20:15] <traeak> !w\
[20:15] <traeak> !w
[20:15] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Feb 9 13:53:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 50%, Later 4??C - -8??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[20:16] <tntexplosivesltd> not too cold =3
[20:16] <traeak> nah
[20:16] <traeak> it means more melting
[20:16] <traeak> added another 10cm of snow on tuesday
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[20:23] <rm> !w
[20:23] <PiBot> rm: in Tyumen, Tyumenskaya oblast. Temp -25??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 77%, Later -15??C - -27??C. Condition: Cloudy.
[20:23] <rm> my current choice is Ext4
[20:23] <rm> can be shrinked, can be converted to btrfs in-place
[20:29] <ctyler> <pedantic>shrunk</pedantic> ;-)
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[20:29] <traeak> i was never impressed with the ext family fsck time
[20:29] <ctyler> well, at least they have an fsck (vs. btrfs)
[20:30] <traeak> a good reason to not touch btrfs
[20:30] <traeak> with stability the best we ever ran was reiserfs ... after the very initial bugs were worked out
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[20:31] <traeak> reiserfs is bad for large files
[20:31] <ctyler> really? I took over a class where the first prof had the students using reiserfs, and whenever there was an improper shutdown, reiserfs was an absolute bear. Long recoveries, corruption, data loss ... the worst I'd seen, over and over.
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[20:32] <ctyler> that really turned me off reiserfs
[20:32] <traeak> how long ago ?
[20:32] <ctyler> but was probably about the worst-case scenario.
[20:33] <ctyler> just before he ... stopped working on software
[20:33] <traeak> we were running several thousand disk raid arrays
[20:33] <traeak> how many years?
[20:33] * ctyler would have to look it up
[20:33] <traeak> tried jfs, lost a couple of whole arrays
[20:33] <traeak> so like last year, eh?
[20:33] <traeak> or was it in the 1900's ?
[20:34] <ctyler> a few years back
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[20:34] <traeak> had a power fluctuation in one of the power supplies in the early days
[20:34] <ctyler> and, ouch? or woot!
[20:35] <traeak> with ext3 at the time bad stuff, would take 18+ hours to fix the system
[20:35] <traeak> with reiserfs it was more stable with recovery and dramatically faster
[20:35] <traeak> found the power hiccup
[20:35] <traeak> anyways
[20:35] <rm> I've read a funny story about how ReiserFS FSCK tool on a reconstruction of its B-tree will also pick up any VM images formatted as ReiserFS that you happened to have lying around
[20:35] <traeak> heh
[20:36] <Dagger3> and this is why you use ZFS, which does online fscks
[20:36] <rm> and will constuct a totally broken frankenstein filesystem of all of them
[20:36] <traeak> if anything i've also seen tons of complaints about zfs just "losing" stuff as well
[20:36] <ctyler> anyone have experience with btrfs recovery from bad shutdowns?
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[20:37] <traeak> ie: others doig the same type stuff we were had votes of no confidence in zfs
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[20:37] <rm> ctyler, if you have barriers working then it should not hurt itself on bad shutdowns
[20:37] <Dagger3> you'll lose n seconds of data if you do a hard shutdown, but n is fairly small
[20:38] <Dagger3> other than that I've not noticed any missing files
[20:38] <rm> if it will, there's a couple of procedures to try for recovery, pretty simple
[20:38] <rm> no guarantees, and that's why you must keep up-to-date backups
[20:38] <rm> same as with any other filesystem, really
[20:39] <traeak> heh
[20:39] <traeak> that can be problematic with hundreds of terrabytes, but understood
[20:39] <rm> have 50s of terabytes
[20:39] <rm> but backed up
[20:39] <traeak> i should probably ask that associate what his current favorite filesystem is (since i don't work there aymore)
[20:39] <rm> :)
[20:39] <traeak> well
[20:39] <traeak> we had 50TB 10 years ago
[20:45] <tntexplosivesltd> man why are all these supposed tech news sites only finding out about the r-pi now?
[20:46] <esotera_> because there's a firm date on release so it looks like it's definitely happening
[20:46] <traeak> closer to non vapor
[20:46] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, true
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[20:48] <lasttime> Are we going to have to add a heat sink to the RP if we have a form fitting / minimal case?
[20:49] <MystX> Probably not
[20:49] <lasttime> good, thanks mystx
[20:50] <MystX> Np
[20:51] <traeak> grr
[20:51] <traeak> heat dissipation is very low
[20:51] <MystX> /topic This is where we all go loopy while waiting for release.
[20:51] <traeak> so not required
[20:51] <MystX> =P
[20:54] <traeak> youch, dual 28" monitors is too much (just plugged the spare in since i need to be able to read this pdf paper)
[20:56] <traeak> this is funny....the nvidia-settings program i can't find the dialog to keep the newly applied settings
[20:57] <traeak> and the "spare' monitor is sort of broken....super fuzzy
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[21:05] <MystX> Hurray nothing works!
[21:05] <traeak> looks like nvidia twinview forces the second head to be virtual (treats display as dual 12x12 monitors)
[21:05] <traeak> does xrandr do the same ?
[21:05] <traeak> dual 19x12 i mean
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[21:16] <lasttime> xkcd linux : https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ArhI5W9zv2w/TW70rBdw2KI/AAAAAAAAAiU/fl-sFk6QbX8/s1600/linux-joke-ubuntu-xkcd.png
[21:16] <traeak> hmph
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[21:25] <xlq> People keep writing about Clive's blog. Does Clive actually have a blog, or was it just one post on raspberrypi.org?
[21:26] <xlq> lasttime: :D
[21:26] <tntexplosivesltd> just one post atm
[21:27] <xlq> Although the URL http://xkcd.com/456/ would've been sufficient. (googleusercontent? wtf?)
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[21:29] <tntexplosivesltd> =3
[21:29] <lasttime> meh, did "copy link address" on an apparent google users blog
[21:32] <lasttime> anyway.. so what are some projects people are planning around the RP?
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[21:32] <xlq> OS kernel written in ATS
[21:32] <xlq> Bat detector
[21:32] <xlq> Software-defined radio
[21:33] <lasttime> everyone has such varied projects with the RP, amazing stuff
[21:34] <lasttime> What kind of audio quality can the RP output anyway?
[21:34] <MystX> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/net-enabled-digital-photoframe
[21:34] <xlq> Well there's a digital audio output over the HDMI. The analogue audio output is apparently not very good.
[21:35] <mjr> I'm actually positively surprised there is HDMI audio too...
[21:35] <lasttime> can you separate the audio portion of the hdmi signal?
[21:35] <mjr> but personally, I need that analog plug too so swell ;)
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[21:36] <xlq> I'll have to see how bad the audio out sounds :P
[21:36] <xlq> But probably going to get a USB sound interface anyway, for the input.
[21:37] <lasttime> Love the crowd sourced photo frame idea, and as long as the uploaded image *replaces* the current image you won't even have to worry about space
[21:37] <lasttime> slick
[21:37] <xlq> Got to worry about, uh, other things though :P
[21:37] <ReggieUK> http://xkcd.com/463/
[21:37] <lasttime> such as?
[21:38] <MystX> lasttime: It stores all the images. But Im not really worried about space
[21:39] <lasttime> Why have it store all the images? is it going to be a collage type of display?
[21:39] <xlq> It's a good analogy, ReggieUK
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[21:39] <MystX> lasttime: might have a slideshow on days of low activity
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[21:41] <lasttime> going to connect it to a twitter account?
[21:41] <MystX> Yep
[21:41] <MystX> Already got one, just need to write the script
[21:42] <lasttime> very nice
[21:42] <lasttime> did you source the lcd panel yet?
[21:42] <MystX> Well i had one, but i think it might be dead
[21:42] <MystX> Ill be getting another out of storage in a week
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[21:44] <MystX> derp
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[21:50] <IT_Sean> my arse hurts
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[21:52] <fpu> hello :-)
[21:53] <MystX> IT_Sean:
[21:53] <MystX> ???_???
[21:53] <MystX> Hi fpu
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[21:59] <IT_Sean> MystX: O_o
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[22:23] <lasttime> not so talkative in here today
[22:23] <IT_Sean> no.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> apparently not
[22:24] <fpu> hmm
[22:24] <fpu> does rpi provide power to usb ports straight from power supply?
[22:24] <lasttime> linuxquestions.org member choice awards came out today: summation http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2012/02/09/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-award-winners-thoughts/
[22:24] <mjr> fpu, I read somewhere that yes
[22:25] <fpu> even to 2 USB ports, per model B hub?
[22:25] <fpu> I'm wondering if idea of running 2 full power devices is feasible
[22:26] <mjr> I'm not official, but wouldn't recommend it
[22:26] <lasttime> i'm guessing not without a separate powered hub
[22:27] <mjr> I don't know if there's anything on the board that'd prevent you from feeding an amp through it to the USB ports, but all the material I've seen seems to recommend a powered hub
[22:27] <mjr> (an amp in addition to the pi's own requirements, that is)
[22:28] <mjr> seems like something someone will try though, so maybe we'll hear about it after shipments ;)
[22:28] <lasttime> there were people on here a couple of days ago that had a link to a power supply wall wart that had a built in usb hub, the problem was that it ended up being twice the price of a RP
[22:30] <fpu> mjr: that's exactly what I'd like to know
[22:30] <fpu> powered usb hubs....compared to rpi they're expensive, yes :p
[22:30] <fpu> it seems like dream machine for little home server
[22:31] <lasttime> there we go: http://www.everbatim.net/store/index.php/lenovo-power-hub-a-c-adapter.html
[22:32] <Tobias|> that includes a laptop charger <_<"
[22:32] <Tobias|> Laptop chargers are pricy
[22:32] <Tobias|> 5v power supplies are cheap
[22:33] <lasttime> I think the idea is solid though, power the RP(B) and a powered multiport hub in a single unit
[22:33] <fpu> it's great, only you could have 2 rpis for this :P
[22:33] <fpu> or almost 3 if you consider model A
[22:34] <lasttime> There has to be a diy alternative
[22:34] <Tobias|> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678
[22:34] <Tobias|> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/powered-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-110v-240v-ac-adapter-included-14925
[22:35] <lasttime> can that power the RP model b as well?
[22:35] <mjr> that'd be telling
[22:35] <mjr> ie. uncertain
[22:36] <lasttime> usb as a power source: http://www.girr.org/mac_stuff/usb_stuff.html
[22:36] <Tobias|> why would that be uncertain?
[22:37] <lasttime> usb 2.0 spec: http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/
[22:37] <esotera_> you can't get power through usb, it's on the faq somewhere
[22:39] <xlq> You should be able to power the r-pi from the USB hub.
[22:39] <Tobias|> I'd be surprised if you couldn't power it from a USB 3.0 port using a modified cable
[22:39] <mjr> First, because it'd have to provide more than the USB base of 100mA without negotiation, and to a device without data pins connected. It's rather likely though that it will. Second, because USB 2 maximum current is 500 mA, so it'll have to not fuss with that limit either. That's... relatively likely too, I suppose.
[22:39] <zgreg> a usb must be able to supply at least 100mA
[22:39] <zgreg> *port
[22:39] <zgreg> so you definitely CAN power something through usb, but not necessarily high-power devices
[22:40] <xlq> I think I remember reading the cheaper USB hubs are better because they provide 500mA without fussing ;)
[22:40] <mjr> xlq, yes, that's actually likely. And more than 500mA, as said.
[22:40] <mjr> regardless, it's perfectly _valid_, arguably more so, behavior from an USB hub _not_ to properly power the Pi, so there is uncertainty.
[22:41] <Tobias|> USB 2.0 hub*
[22:41] <xlq> Yeah.
[22:41] <Tobias|> USB 3.0 does 900mA, which'd handle model B just fine
[22:42] <lasttime> can we combine and regulate multiple usb 2 ports on that hub to achieve a stable value?
[22:42] <mjr> USB 3.0 hubs, well, USB 3 has the maximum current bumped up to 900 mA, so if the hub provides the full USB 3 amount, no problem. Well, not that problem. Still the issue of the hub having to be sufficiently non-smart to just provide the power without negotiation to a device with no data pins connected
[22:42] <fpu> 900mA, such un-rounded number?
[22:42] <fpu> they could go crazy with it and make it at least 1A, haha
[22:42] <Tobias|> un-rounded?
[22:42] <zgreg> fpu: designed specifically for 2,5" <HDDs
[22:43] <fpu> hmm
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[22:43] <fpu> 2.5HDD's work just fine with USB 2.0 power
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[22:43] <fpu> I thought it was for high-power devices like tablets, also phones, anything that needs charging
[22:43] <mjr> (mind you, hubmakers probably know that there's a whole load of dumb "usb" charging devices that just want the power and they want their hubs to work with them, so it's relatively likely it'll work, AIUI)
[22:43] <fpu> I could be wrong though
[22:44] <zgreg> there are separate standards for charging from usb
[22:44] <zgreg> and these can supply even more
[22:44] <mjr> There are. Non-capped negotiation if you don't transfer data, and wasit 1.5 or so amps if you only do full speed.
[22:45] <mjr> also dumb charger support
[22:45] <zgreg> fpu: and no, 2.5" HDDs do not work fine with 500mA
[22:45] <fpu> zgreg: I'm using one right now :/
[22:45] <zgreg> most of these external HDDs violate the standard, plain and simple
[22:45] <fpu> in usb 2.0 port
[22:46] <zgreg> fpu: yes, because the port is tolerant
[22:46] <mjr> zgreg, yeah. That also gives hope to most hubs probably dealing fine with extra-greedy devices (like Pi ;)
[22:46] <lasttime> they consistently violate the standard, so why can't we?
[22:46] <Tobias|> The pi'
[22:46] <zgreg> it'd be perfectly OK if the port breaks or switches off
[22:46] <Tobias|> The pi's not that greedy, mjr. The iPad uses 2A or so
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[22:46] <fpu> zgreg: do you mean that it probably supplies more than 500mA?
[22:46] <zgreg> fpu: yeah
[22:46] <mjr> well the iPad is in its own class of greedy
[22:47] <zgreg> Tobias|: it doesn't do so on a normal usb port
[22:47] <fpu> I have been using it also powered from external power supply, rated at 500mA
[22:47] <fpu> and it worked perfectly fine
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[22:48] <zgreg> fpu: lucky you
[22:48] <mjr> but yeah, somewhat extra-greedy devices are plentiful, so it's not too unlikely that a given powered hub will just sigh quietly and deal with it
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[22:49] <fpu> zgreg: I just don't buy it, I've been using multiple 2.5" HDD's in multiple enclosures and never had problem with single USB (2.0) port not supplying enough power
[22:49] <zgreg> fpu: well, the point is that you can't count on this working
[22:49] <zgreg> fpu: look it up in the usb specs :)
[22:49] <lasttime> utilize the power of two usb ports: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JIOHDE
[22:50] <Tobias|> lasttime, could just use one USB 3 port >.>
[22:50] <fpu> 5V at 500mA is 2.5W, I think that rounds up with peak power usage of 2.5 HDDs
[22:50] <fpu> (I can be wrong though)
[22:51] <zgreg> spinup takes a lot more power
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[22:51] <zgreg> WD for example quotes 900mA peak at spinup, for about 800ms
[22:52] <mjr> they _could_ buffer some power for that, but guess if they bother ;)
[22:53] <fpu> specs specs ;)
[22:53] <zgreg> well, that would slow down spinup even more and the electronics aren't that cheap
[22:53] <zgreg> supercap, plus regulation
[22:53] <mjr> zgreg, both true
[22:53] <mjr> so yes, they don't ;)
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[22:53] <MystX> Hmm, that was a fun meeting
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[22:54] <zgreg> fpu: as far as I know, in some devices usb ports might even break if devices want too much power
[22:54] <zgreg> so it's definitely not that funny when devices violate the spec
[22:57] <IT_Sean> well, it IS funny when it isn't your device that goes POOFT because of a non-standard USB device :p
[22:58] <zgreg> yeah, especially if it is crap like a cup warmer
[22:59] * mjr is slightly surprised that there doesn't seem to be at least easily findable usb hubs that advertise high-current dumb charging (possibly at a dedicated port)
[22:59] <mjr> 'cause that'd solve the whole problem
[22:59] <zgreg> I can't imagine these cup warmers adhere to the spec
[22:59] <zgreg> 2.5W of heat is nothing
[23:00] <mjr> highly unlikely. Also, negotiation? Pfft.
[23:00] <zgreg> yeah
[23:00] <MystX> Oh man, just remembered my GF has an old laptop
[23:01] <MystX> 15" panel.. and then it can be another headless machine =D
[23:01] <zgreg> I don't understand, do you want to use the panel for the pi?
[23:02] <MystX> Yes. But I know about the LVDS stuff. already sorted that out
[23:02] <zgreg> well, it still won't be easy
[23:02] <zgreg> and I heard there's no DSI connector soldered on production boards
[23:05] <zgreg> hmm. I don't think you can count on a random DSI display to work at all
[23:06] <zgreg> well, we'll see. :)
[23:06] <mjr> hey, here's an interesting product: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I3XIE4/
[23:06] <mjr> a powered USB hub with "two high-power "Always On" ports provide twice the power as standard USB ports"
[23:06] <zgreg> I wonder, does the SoC really merely support composite video? no s-video?
[23:07] <mjr> 'couse, it costs almost as much as a type A, but anyway, seems to guarantee that you can power the Pi B from it
[23:07] <MystX> zgreg: I'll be using LVDS panels, through the HDMI
[23:07] <MystX> I've already built the driver boards
[23:08] <zgreg> that's a rather expensive option
[23:09] <MystX> Compared to?
[23:09] <zgreg> compared to a display that supports dsi and works on the rpi
[23:09] <MystX> Not if you have Laptop panels laying around that are free
[23:10] <zgreg> yes, but the driver boards aren't free
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[23:10] <zgreg> plus you need to program/configure/adapt them for the panel
[23:11] <zgreg> maybe you have someone "lying around", but that's probably more of an exception
[23:11] <zgreg> I've adapter a generic driver board for a special-purpose panel and that was definitely neither easy nor cheap
[23:12] <zgreg> *adapted
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[23:20] <MystX> The ones ive got are kinda one-fits-all for LVDS panles
[23:20] <MystX> panels*
[23:20] <MystX> The boards i got made, that is
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[23:23] <zgreg> but you still need to configure at least display timings, no?
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[23:23] <zgreg> plus, what did you pay for those boards?
[23:24] <zgreg> this was a few years ago, but I remember that controller board was expensive as heck
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[23:25] <MystX> Yeah you need to make an EDID, but that's not that bad
[23:25] <MystX> The boards cost $10USD each
[23:25] <MystX> parts cost about $20-30NZD each
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[23:26] <zgreg> ok, that's alright
[23:27] <zgreg> where do you get the boards so cheap?
[23:29] <MystX> batchpcb.com
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[23:31] <zgreg> wait, I thought you were talking about finished, populated and tested boards
[23:32] <zgreg> so it is quite expensive, after all
[23:32] <MystX> Nope
[23:32] <MystX> Bout $40NZD each
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[23:32] <MystX> Im sure you could get the parts cheaper in the US
[23:32] <zgreg> plus a lot of work
[23:32] <MystX> Well, i dont mind soldering
[23:32] <MystX> Aren't we all here for hacking together electronics?
[23:33] <zgreg> depends. this is boring stuff.
[23:33] <MystX> According to you
[23:33] <MystX> I find the idea of being able to use any old LCD panel quite apealing
[23:33] <zgreg> in the sense that this isn't anything special, you can buy displays with hdmi/dvi input for cheap.
[23:34] <MystX> Not cheaper than free
[23:34] <MystX> Of you can get old ones off ebay for like $10
[23:34] <zgreg> your solution isn't for free either
[23:34] <EiNSTeiN_> MystX: hey
[23:35] <EiNSTeiN_> have a look at SeeedStudio's Fusion PCB service
[23:35] <EiNSTeiN_> you can probably get 10 boards for 10$ (1$ each) and faster than BatchPCB
[23:35] <zgreg> and it's not for everyone - what would be *quite* attractive for rpi would be a small and cheap plug & play DSI panel
[23:35] <MystX> So that.. you have to buy one of them?
[23:36] <MystX> And then apply the connector? I dont see how thats better
[23:36] <MystX> EiNSTeiN_: thanks
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[23:37] <zgreg> MystX: it's easier and more elegant (no bulky and power-hungry panel controller board)
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[23:37] <MystX> Its about half the size of the R-Pi
[23:37] <MystX> and about 3-4mm thick populated
[23:38] <MystX> Oh thats not true, there's the dvi connector
[23:40] <traeak> mjr: found something simillar for way cheaper at microcenter...and the one i got there has a power switch
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