#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-02-10

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[0:00] * esotera__ (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:01] * mrdragons (~lucas@175.45.25.92) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[0:02] * heraclitus_ (~heraclitu@sa-185-250.saturn.infonet.ee) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:02] * esotera_ (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[0:07] * Coes` (~cxp@67.17.219.20) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:09] * xlq (~apropos@89-168-185-104.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[0:09] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (*.net *.split)
[0:09] * ukscone1 (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[0:09] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:10] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:24] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:25] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:30] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:30] * imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:34] * prebz_ (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:39] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:40] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:40] * esotera__ (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:41] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: TLS packet ect messages)
[0:42] * customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:52] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:07] * traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:12] * zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:13] * zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has left #raspberrypi
[1:20] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7-rc1)
[1:21] * ahven (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[1:22] * ahven (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:24] * johnthebear (~Johnthebe@c-24-11-54-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:28] * R` (~RHA@ip7.j-k.kund.riksnet.nu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:44] * cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.83.59.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:48] * cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.83.59.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) Quit (Client Quit)
[1:52] * Hopsy (~Hopsy@77.62.36.247) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[1:55] * mjr (mjr@nblzone-241-33.nblnetworks.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[2:01] * mjr (mjr@nblzone-241-33.nblnetworks.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:01] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit ()
[2:05] * qptain_Nemo (~qN@81.200.28.83) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[2:24] * cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.83.59.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:24] * cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.83.59.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) Quit (Client Quit)
[2:40] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:49] * mjr (mjr@nblzone-241-33.nblnetworks.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[2:50] * mjr (mjr@nblzone-241-33.nblnetworks.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:01] * uen| (~uen@p5DCB343C.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:02] * LiENUS (~yes@64.66.70.66) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:02] * uen (~uen@p5DCB3A18.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[3:16] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:16] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:29] * DaQatz is now known as No_One
[3:29] * No_One is now known as DaQatz
[3:32] * relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) Quit (Quit: ??????)
[3:33] * MrNfector (~MrNfector@64.31.29.140) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[3:39] * ksaua_ (~saua@193.81-167-3.customer.lyse.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:39] * ksaua_ (~saua@193.81-167-3.customer.lyse.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:39] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:39] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Client Quit)
[3:40] * relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:44] * MystX (~MystX@ec2-107-21-100-215.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has left #raspberrypi
[3:44] * MystX (~MystX@ec2-107-21-100-215.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:45] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:56] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[3:59] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[4:05] * MystX (~MystX@ec2-107-21-100-215.compute-1.amazonaws.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[4:09] * jardiamj (~jardiamj@rdbk.p3-199.molalla.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:27] * jardiamj (~jardiamj@rdbk.p3-199.molalla.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[4:29] * jardiamj (~jardiamj@rdbk.p3-199.molalla.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:29] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:31] * P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.147.210) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:41] * jmontleo (~jason@c-76-19-35-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:50] * relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) Quit (Quit: ??????)
[4:53] * missPapaya (~dconcors@ip70-181-129-173.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:03] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has left #raspberrypi
[5:03] * ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:24] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca5626.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[5:25] <Soul_Est> Bedtime for me. Night everyone!
[5:31] * relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:32] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[5:41] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[6:00] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:24] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[6:26] * Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@CPE0017f2324fce-CM0012250096a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[6:50] * pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:57] * qptain_Nemo (~qN@81.200.28.83) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:22] * imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[7:25] * mjr (mjr@nblzone-241-33.nblnetworks.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[7:32] * Hopsy (~Hopsy@77.63.23.239) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:39] * jmontleo (~jason@c-76-19-35-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:45] * afents (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:45] * dronf` (~user@host-46-186-32-201.dynamic.mm.pl) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:47] * Aquilus__ (~quassel@m060h.studby.ntnu.no) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:48] * stereohez (~stereohea@fiber-087-195-245-144.solcon.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:49] * bampersand (~craig@host86-190-169-56.wlms-broadband.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:49] * pygo_ (~pygo@fran.pygonia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:49] * bampersand is now known as Guest91513
[7:50] * nrltd_ (foobar@149.3.131.50) has joined #raspberrypi
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[7:50] * nrltd (~nrltd@149.3.131.50) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:50] * folays (folays@hyrule.folays.net) Quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
[7:50] * ahven (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) Quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
[7:50] * pygo (~pygo@fran.pygonia.com) Quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
[7:50] * joink (joink@toppe.net) Quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
[7:50] * stereohead-away (~stereohea@fiber-087-195-245-144.solcon.nl) Quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
[7:50] * R` (~RHA@ip7.j-k.kund.riksnet.nu) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:52] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Excess Flood)
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[7:52] * cian1500ww (~cian1500w@insanity.cianmcgovern.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
[7:52] * acp (~andrew@figment.andrewpoole.org.uk) Quit (*.net *.split)
[7:52] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory) Quit (*.net *.split)
[7:52] * protozoa (~billy@sky.zoa.io) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[7:53] * Aquilus_ (~quassel@m060h.studby.ntnu.no) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
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[7:54] * zgreg (greg@78.47.72.107) Quit (Disconnected by services)
[7:55] * dronf (~user@host-46-186-32-201.dynamic.mm.pl) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[7:55] * Guest86181 (~craig@host86-190-169-56.wlms-broadband.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[7:56] * Mazon (~Mazon@95.166.104.217) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:56] * friggle (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:56] * R` (~RHA@ip7.j-k.kund.riksnet.nu) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:56] * ivan`` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:56] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:57] * protozoa (~billy@sky.zoa.io) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:57] * kunwon1 (~kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:57] * Skorpy (~sevanteri@78.47.244.78) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:57] * Mazon (~Mazon@95.166.104.217) has joined #raspberrypi
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[7:58] * CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@fedora/CodeBlock) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:59] * missPapaya (~dconcors@ip70-181-129-173.sd.sd.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[7:59] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:00] * missPapaya (~dconcors@ip70-181-129-173.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:01] * R` (~RHA@ip7.j-k.kund.riksnet.nu) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:02] * nrltd_ (foobar@149.3.131.50) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * joink_ (joink@toppe.net) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * uen| (~uen@p5DCB343C.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * tsdedst (~tsdedst@a95-92-116-133.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[8:02] * koaschten_ (~koaschten@31-16-0-231-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * RaTTuS|BIG (~Rattus.bi@ipv4-91-143-179-181.static.as8844.net) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * WASDx (~AINOR@81-229-79-162-no64.business.telia.com) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:02] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[8:02] * Enoria (~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[8:02] * akeeh (ak@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe4afa00-138.dhcp.inet.fi) Quit (*.net *.split)
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[8:02] * Byan (byan@gateway/shell/mtu-lug/x-lloryoghyvolmraz) Quit (*.net *.split)
[8:03] * friggle (~friggle@li60-24.members.linode.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:05] * DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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[8:06] * missPapaya (~dconcors@ip70-181-129-173.sd.sd.cox.net) has left #raspberrypi
[8:07] * RaTTuS|BIG (~Rattus.bi@ipv4-91-143-179-181.static.as8844.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:07] * Byan (byan@gateway/shell/mtu-lug/x-ezmjnayiaafoblah) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:08] * uen| (~uen@p5DCB343C.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * heraclitus_ (~heraclitu@sa-185-250.saturn.infonet.ee) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:08] * koaschten_ (~koaschten@31-16-0-231-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:08] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[8:08] * Henchman21 (~rakata@208.102.127.220) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * Enoria (~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[8:08] * smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[8:08] * Anppa (~attuomin@scoville.pc.hiit.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * WASDx (~AINOR@81-229-79-162-no64.business.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@ec2-107-22-199-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[8:09] * nrltd_ (foobar@149.3.131.50) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[8:09] * tsdedst (~tsdedst@a95-92-116-133.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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[8:10] * vgrade1 (~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:11] * jonmasters (~jcm@edison.jonmasters.org) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:12] * CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@ec2-107-22-199-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:12] * HobGoblin is now known as Guest24013
[8:13] * zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:13] * zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has left #raspberrypi
[8:13] * Plam_ (~olivier@88-190-17-189.rev.dedibox.fr) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:14] * Dagger4 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:14] * MT`AwAy is now known as Guest67592
[8:14] * Simon-_ (simon@proxima.lp0.eu) has joined #raspberrypi
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[8:15] * pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[8:15] * whyzfreenode (~e@h145n7-n-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:15] * weuxel_ (~norman@2a01:4f8:100:9442::2) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:16] * mjorgensen_ (quassel@nat/nokia/x-jszukgzlarkgygyz) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:16] * vgrade (~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[8:16] * UukGoblin (~jaa@unaffiliated/uukgoblin) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[8:33] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, it would appear that we are the target of a dos attack this morning -- far from what you fancy before you've had your coffee! I apologise for the inconvenience, and we'll be working closely with our sponsors to try drop this traffic at the door.
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[8:47] <RITRedbeard> BEHOLD!
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[8:49] <tntexplo1ivesltd> ugh god
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[8:50] <RITRedbeard> tntexplo1ivesltd, me or the excessive part/join-ing?
[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> you
[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> always you, travalas_
[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> ...
[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> RITRedbeard:
[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> thst one
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[8:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> * that
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[8:50] <RITRedbeard> What the hell?
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> mode +j 4:10
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[8:51] <tntexplo1ivesltd> who?
[8:51] <tntexplo1ivesltd> where?
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> this channel
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[8:51] <tntexplo1ivesltd> nope
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[8:51] <tntexplo1ivesltd> too lenient
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[8:52] <RITRedbeard> although freenode is terrible so they probably run like john's first IRCd v2.1 beta
[8:52] <RITRedbeard> as opposed to something like unrealircd
[8:52] <tntexplo1ivesltd> heh yeah
[8:52] <tntexplo1ivesltd> unreal is win
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[9:42] <Davespice> good morning folks
[9:42] <piofcube> morning
[9:43] <Davespice> seems Virgin Media had a huge service outage accross London last night
[9:43] <Davespice> did I miss anything interesting?
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[9:43] <piofcube> just got up myself
[9:43] <tntexplo1ivesltd> nope
[9:43] <tntexplo1ivesltd> nothing
[9:44] <Davespice> okay
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[9:52] <tntexplo1ivesltd> yay netwplits
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[9:53] <tntexplo1ivesltd> * netsplits
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[9:53] <tntexplo1ivesltd> >.>
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[11:22] <LinuxMaster_> Hello World
[11:24] <tntexplo1ivesltd> I want you to prove your claim to that nick, LinuxMaster_
[11:24] <tntexplo1ivesltd> wait, you use the web client, claim revoked
[11:25] <tntexplo1ivesltd> there's no coming back from that
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[11:26] <tntexplo1ivesltd> LinuxMaster_: what distro are you running?
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[11:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[11:36] <tntexplo1ivesltd> !w
[11:36] <tntexplo1ivesltd> aww
[11:36] <tntexplo1ivesltd> =(
[11:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> dead :(
[11:36] <tntexplo1ivesltd> what is this shit
[11:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> pibot has gone
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[12:14] <koaschten> hmmm anyone happen to know if there is something like this http://www.silexeurope.com/en/home/products/usb-device-servers/ out there somewhere with actual linux support?
[12:15] <mjr> there are linux patches for usb over ethernet if that suffices
[12:15] <mjr> http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
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[12:16] <mjr> with that you could probably make a rasppi into a USB device server
[12:16] <koaschten> yeah well, that's what i would like to prevent having to do ;)
[12:17] <koaschten> because before long i would have 10 pi's
[12:17] <mjr> I see :]
[12:17] <mjr> (also, pi'd be suboptimal because no gigabit ethernet)
[12:17] <koaschten> well... the commercial solutions like silex can do max 15MB too which is about half speed usb2 ?
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[12:18] <koaschten> but i probably should bookmark usbip and see if i can fiddle some stuff together by now
[12:18] <koaschten> because usb passthrough in vmware is just ... not optimal
[12:19] <koaschten> i regularly manage to somehow kill the hosts usb stack using 2 dvb-c usb cards and a wlan adapter
[12:22] <mjr> dvb usb tends to use a lot of bandwidth...
[12:22] <mjr> I had some issues earlier with dvb-t usb but turned out it was motherboard's usb instability :(
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[12:27] <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone seen a DAB USB stick?
[12:28] <Davespice> as in for digital readio?
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:29] <koaschten> mjr well i have no problems running the two dvb-c cards in parallel
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Preferrably a linuxable one.
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> For obvious reasons.
[12:29] <Davespice> I haven't to be honest, I would wonder why one might want one when so many stations also stream over the internet
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[12:29] <koaschten> but as soon as i try 1 or 2 dvb-c + the wlan usb ... it freaks out
[12:29] <Davespice> I suppose if you had no internet connection it could be useful
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: bandwidth
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[12:30] <Davespice> okay, are you on a low speed connection? or on a pay per MB plan or something?
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> I have one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Oasis-Rechargeable-Weatherproof-Internet-Radio/dp/B003WOL500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328873343&sr=8-1 (well, the version before without the internet radio or FM.
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> It's lovely.
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> Long battery life, waterproof, you can actually drop bricks on it.
[12:30] <Davespice> that does look ace actually :)
[12:31] <Davespice> bit pricey
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> But sometimes I'd be using it where there isn't any network connectivity.
[12:31] <Davespice> probably worth it long term though
[12:31] <Davespice> okay, fair enough, I get ya
[12:31] <Davespice> I actually have an amatur radio license so this stuff interests me
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> DAB isn't great audio-wise, but for mono, it's OK.
[12:31] <Davespice> my call sign is M6DNT
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is actually possibly grunty enough to do the OFDM decoding in software.
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> But - the DSP would make that lots nicer.
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> And that's of course staying closed.
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[12:32] <SpeedEvil> Got any 433MHz stuff?
[12:35] <Davespice> no, I've only got a Yaesu FT-8900
[12:36] <Davespice> but I have strong views on DAB radio...
[12:36] <Henchman21> we call that 70cm round here
[12:36] <Henchman21> :P
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> I too have strong views on 128kbit MP2 replacing much better audibly FM.
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> In many cases.
[12:37] <Davespice> I think we should totally abandon DAB radio, and use DRM instead. Which works through existing AM transmitters. It would allow local digital readio stations.
[12:37] <Davespice> with DAB everything has to go through one data stream
[12:37] <Davespice> It would also allow pirate digital readio... :)
[12:37] * Davespice grins
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> You can do pirate digital radio now.
[12:38] <koaschten> funky.. http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> You just need to do a whole multiplex.
[12:38] <Davespice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Radio_Mondiale
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> I'm aware of DRM
[12:38] <chris_99> how would you go about doing that SpeedEvil, through SDR?
[12:38] <Davespice> yeah you would have to do multiplex, if you could do that I guess it would work
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: do what?
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> oh - yes
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[12:39] <chris_99> creating a digital multiplex
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> It's 'easy'.
[12:39] <Davespice> but with DRM you just need an AM transmitter an arial and you're off
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> All you need is a pregenerated bitstream stored on your PC, a means of clocking it out into a DAC.
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Optionally some filters.
[12:40] <Caver> have you seen the http://bellard.org/dvbt/ little experiment?
[12:40] <chris_99> yeah ive seen that
[12:40] <chris_99> he hasnt released the code though
[12:40] <Caver> no
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> Caver: Bellard is depressingly awesome.
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> I remember using lzexe, back in the day.
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> And tccboot is just insanely awesome.
[12:41] <chris_99> wow, i'd not heard of that
[12:42] <chris_99> i can't believe all the amazing stuff he's created
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[12:50] <Caver> yes! he's one of my programming hero's
[12:50] <Caver> inventor of qemu emulator too
[12:52] <Caver> with out which I don't know how we'd emulate ARM
[12:53] <Tobias|> 'inventor'? :P
[12:53] <Tobias|> Original author*
[12:53] <Caver> :P
[12:53] <Caver> how is one different to the other!
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> ffmpeg
[12:54] * Caver awards Tobias| the splitting hairs award
[12:56] <victhor> the ffserver version I have crashed once a client attempted to access a aac stream.
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[14:16] <Caver> morning IT_Sean
[14:16] <ukscone1> morning all :)
[14:17] <ukscone1> you have to love the headline writers at local papers http://themediablog.typepad.com/the-media-blog/2012/02/local-papers-are-brilliant.html
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[14:24] <Caver> groans at ukscone1's linke
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[14:27] <ukscone1> Caver: i come from a family of journalists and that was actually a pretty tame pun compared to some of theirs -- i like that the car theft part is relegated to a minor part of the story
[14:27] <ukscone1> bloody stupid qemu
[14:27] <ukscone1> i hate itr
[14:27] <ukscone1> s/itr/it
[14:27] <Caver> hehehe whats up?
[14:29] <Caver> grins well a good sub editor makes the grimiest of stories a enjoyable read
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[14:34] <ukscone1> ok qemu is getting thrown in the bin where it belongs and i'm going to go and do something else instead
[14:34] <Caver> whats not working?
[14:35] <ukscone1> it's segfaulting on an fp exception
[14:35] <ukscone1> sb2 ./defendguin --nosound
[14:35] <ukscone1> qemu: uncaught target signal 8 (Floating point exception) - core dumped
[14:35] <ukscone1> Exit reason and status: signal 8 (core dumped)
[14:36] * IT_Sean wonders why someone unplugged the 2nd floor network switch depsite the sign on it reading "On pain of death, this equipment not to be unpluged without written approval from IT"
[14:36] <ukscone1> if i don't disable sound i get a sig 6 in pthread
[14:36] <Caver> lovely
[14:36] <ukscone1> IT_Sean: they have a death wish?
[14:37] <ukscone1> IT_Sean: perhaps they like to be beaten because they swing that way
[14:37] <Caver> IT_Sean, send the network cable out for finger print analysis
[14:37] <ukscone1> IT_Sean: perhaps they can't read
[14:37] <Caver> or more likely terminally stupid
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[14:38] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: you failed to attach the razor-wire.
[14:39] <IT_Sean> The health and safety people told me i had to remove the razor wire
[14:39] <Caver> nah ... you need a "tragic" earthing fault on the cable, to ensure it's live
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> Health and safety gone mad!
[14:40] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[14:40] <Caver> yes they all sold out last night
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[14:44] <lasttime> any new topics in the last couple of hours?
[14:44] <ukscone1> lasttime: yes i've eaten 3 already today
[14:45] <ukscone1> and each one had a hazelnut in every bite
[14:46] <lasttime> would anyone be interested in a tribler recompile for arm? http://www.tribler.org
[14:46] <lasttime> I think that would compliment the RP media center people
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[14:53] <Caver> ok what is it, as all I get is "Sorry: limited website due to high popularity."
[14:54] <Tobias|> Caver, http://torrentfreak.com/tribler-makes-bittorrent-impossible-to-shut-down-120208/
[14:55] <lasttime> It's a distributed serverless anonymous P2P bittorrent client
[14:55] <ukscone1> probably not going to be a good idea. the raspi probably won't do that well as a BT client/seedbox
[14:55] <drazyl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribler
[14:56] <lasttime> I'm surprised it wouldn't do that well if that is it's only purpose.
[14:57] <ukscone1> because it uses the usb for ethernet too
[14:57] <Tobias|> Most torrent clients are pretty light, ukscone1
[14:57] <ukscone1> other people using othr machiens with a similar setup do terrible as seedboxes
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[14:57] <Caver> you'd have to have some kind or storage solution too, in which case there are other easier solutions
[14:57] <ukscone1> Tobias|: not whn they are reading/writing to disk they ain't if you are sharing storage and ethernet on the same usb hub
[14:57] <Caver> but ... I suppose it does hook nicely into the teenager market
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> ukscone1: what do you mean terrible?
[14:58] <ukscone1> IT_Sean: just for you today :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/10/it_bloke_shoots_daughters_laptop/ want to borrow a gun?
[14:58] <Tobias|> You'd need some wonderfully fast internet speed for that to matter
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> ukscone1: It depedns - if you're looking for a megabit or so, it's not an issue
[14:59] <ukscone1> SpeedEvil: obarthelemy used a netbook that is faster than the raspi with the same thing shared ethernet and storage on the same usb port
[14:59] <lasttime> I wonder if there is a way to bypass most of the RP and have it push/pull from a NAS?
[14:59] <ukscone1> it is terrible, lots of freezes, crashes and corrupt data
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> ukscone1: umm - ...
[14:59] <IT_Sean> heh
[14:59] <IT_Sean> good one ukscone1
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> ukscone1: I know I've used storage and network on the same USB port, with no issue.
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly it was a while back, and it was USB1.1
[15:00] <ukscone1> SpeedEvil: i have too BUT not on a shared usb slot where ethernet and store share the same usb bandwidth
[15:00] <ukscone1> and not at full speed
[15:00] <lasttime> So the issue is that it is not impossible just slow
[15:00] <ukscone1> slow and error prone
[15:00] <Tobias|> I wouldn't say slow
[15:00] <Tobias|> I'd say limited
[15:01] <Tobias|> On my home internet connection there would be absoloutely no issue
[15:01] <ukscone1> i'd say don't do it as there are much better solutions
[15:01] <mjr> freezes, crashes and corrupt data can be a symptom of buggy controllers/drivers etc.
[15:01] <mjr> not that Pi couldn't be buggy.
[15:01] <Tobias|> I think your dismissal of the notion is premature
[15:01] <lasttime> much better solutions for $35?
[15:02] <mjr> just that it isn't necessarily that bad
[15:02] <ukscone1> horses for courses
[15:03] <lasttime> eah, I still think it's worth a shot, if it doesn't work out I've still learned a lot.
[15:03] <mjr> in practice, test heavy usb ethernet and file io when they come out and see
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Block IO
[15:03] <ukscone1> the raspi isn't going to be good for high bandwidth jobs easpecially when storage is involved to -- streaming over the network fine, loading files of usb ok but not together
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're using pp2p
[15:04] <mjr> ukscone1, yeah I wouldn't really make a NAS out of one anyway...
[15:04] <Tobias|> Torrenting doesn't necessarily have to be as demanding as streaming 1080p video unbuffered, ukscone1
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[15:04] <mjr> I mean even if it worked perfectly, it'll just be slow regardless
[15:05] <ukscone1> Tobias|: you are perfectly welcome to do it personally i won't
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> mjr: Many people would be overjoyed to have a network that would excercise the Pi at all.
[15:06] <Tobias|> Your claim 'the raspi probably won't do that well as a BT client/seedbox' is almost entirely unfounded
[15:06] <Tobias|> You've started likening it to streaming media directly from the r-pi
[15:06] <ukscone1> Tobias|: yes not tested exact hardware but tried with similar
[15:08] <ukscone1> Tobias|: and i have tried to help people trying with similar hardware. arm, shared usb on the soc for ethernet and storage, usb external hd but with more ram and a faster processor and it just isn't good
[15:08] <lasttime> is the SD card on the same usb hub?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> No.
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> SD is on SPI
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Seperate bus.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> With a semi-decent card, you can stream 12M/s without issue from it
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> writing - especially fragmented writing - is more problematic
[15:09] <lasttime> interesting, so even that wouldn't work for BT
[15:09] <mjr> there was a funky sd to usb-mass-storage adapter somewhere, but the sdhc limits probably apply ;I
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[15:10] <lasttime> mjr i've seen those, they're discontinued, so in limited supply and cost almost as much as a RP
[15:10] <mjr> (one wonders though if the adapter lacks enforcement of the 32 GB cap, and one made sure the linux driver didn't cap anything, if it would work with larger drives)
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> All you need is a little box to swap microSDs
[15:11] <mjr> lasttime, righto
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> couple of servos, and a SD library
[15:11] <ukscone1> i'm not saying don't try it if you want to just i don't think it'd be a good experience and be prepared to spend hours debugging spurious errors
[15:11] * SpeedEvil giggles at the concept of ten terabytes in a matchbox
[15:12] <Caver> lol
[15:12] <Caver> mind you ... did you see the youtube video of someone raid'ing, 7 floppy disks?
[15:12] <mjr> SpeedEvil, mechanically or electrically? ;)
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> mjr: mechanically is far more amusing.
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> mjr: Though I do note that a SDIO card in principle could easily have 7 SD cards.
[15:14] <koaschten> oowwwww Liz having a bad day :/
[15:14] <koaschten> Some other bits of the press have picked it up too; Tom?s Hardware currently have a big splash on their homepage saying ?Raspberry Pi not available to consumers until September?. You can probably gather that I am not having a fantastic day dealing with this.
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> haha
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> :/
[15:15] <mjr> that sounds fun
[15:16] <koaschten> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/633
[15:16] <koaschten> someone bring her a cookie, poor girl
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[15:18] <SpeedEvil> I have cookies available for her, but they may not ship till the end of March.
[15:18] <victhor> they shouldn't have corrected that!
[15:19] <victhor> I wanted people to give up on planning to order the initial batch! :P
[15:19] <Caver> ick ... talk about hype getting out of hand
[15:19] <Caver> I think journalists love to mis understand things
[15:20] <IT_Sean> Hoooooly ship. I spent a little over $50 in TOLLS this past week.
[15:20] <Caver> set 'em up, then shoot them down, is *very* typical tabloid behaviour
[15:20] <Caver> I spend Zero on tolls this week
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> I drove from NJ to VA & back
[15:21] <koaschten> Damn... they did a whole 180 @ toms... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Raspberry-pi-launch-availability-shipping-SoC,14645.html
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> ...
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/633
[15:21] <koaschten> someone needs to still yell at them though
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Go to the horses mouth.
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> (I am not calling Liz a horse)
[15:22] <koaschten> because of
[15:22] <koaschten> Back in December, we heard that the Raspberry Pi mini PC would be available in January. As you've probably noticed, it's already February, and the only availability we've seen is through eBay for upwards of $2500. Obviously, many people don't have a couple of grand lying around to blow on a computer willy-nilly, and there was only a limited number of them available through the auctioning site. However, it seems Raspberry Pi is on
[15:22] <koaschten> god, read the first paragraph... idiots @ tom
[15:22] <koaschten> they didnt get the charity part of the auctioning...
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[15:24] <zutesmog> press likes nothing better than to have a negative article, who cares if it's accurate or not!
[15:24] <lasttime> btw "sd to usb" adapter: http://www.saelig.com/EL/MIO001.htm
[15:26] <mjr> righto, it is pretty expensive
[15:28] <lasttime> sd card slot --> wifi http://sewelldirect.com/wifi-sdio-card.asp
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[15:29] <mjr> it seems to me the SD card probably has to be a memory card because the "gpu" wants to load its firmware from there...
[15:30] <lasttime> ohh i'm sure it does, this stuff is just neat otherwise SD --> GPS http://sewelldirect.com/SD-SDIO-Pretec-WHANTO-GPS-PDA.asp
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[15:31] <victhor> SDIO cards won't work with a mass storage SD reader
[15:31] <victhor> and that USB adapter allows one to use a USB flash drive in a SD slot
[15:32] <lasttime> crazy enough SD --> Video out http://sewelldirect.com/sdio-video-out-adapter.asp
[15:34] <victhor> "How do I contact the makers of this and suggest they build one with an old style serial port, a VGA connector, and a console program for use in IT for programming routers, swtiches, raid arrays, and old style Sun and HP servers? "
[15:34] <victhor> lol, this is called "using a old notebook from ebay"
[15:35] <koaschten> victhor yeah but it doesn't have a 2.5W footprint? ;)
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[15:35] <lasttime> ohh well, that was fun
[15:35] <koaschten> to have it permanently connected
[15:36] <lasttime> Does anyone know of a SD --> USB 2.0 adapter that is cheap?
[15:39] <lasttime> can't find the price but here's another one: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/elan-digital-launches-new-dedicated-custom-design-service-for-sd-sdio-1293020.htm
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[15:42] <lasttime> ok, we need sd(io) to sata
[15:42] <Caver> do we know how fast the SD slot in the Pi is?
[15:42] <Caver> 1 or 4 connector?
[15:44] <lasttime> I was told on here it can push 12MB/s
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[15:45] <lasttime> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/whats-the-max-speed-of-the-sd-card-slot
[15:46] <Caver> hmm thats interesting ... you can get SD cards that have integrated WiFi too
[15:46] <Caver> "EyeFi" ...
[15:48] <mjr> yeah, those are pretty kludgy but funny
[15:48] <Caver> not cheap eather !
[15:49] <Caver> ??75 a the "X2" which is a class 6 8Gb card ...
[15:49] <lasttime> not terribly useful if you already have a free usb port
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[15:49] <mjr> they're meant for cameras
[15:50] <Caver> indeed just spitballing :)
[15:50] <lasttime> ha
[15:50] <Caver> hmm says it's SDHC ... I wonder if it would work in a standard SD slot
[15:51] <mjr> 8 gig card? not at least at full capacity
[15:51] <Dagger3> also those Eye-Fi cards aren't SDIO cards and don't provide the host device with a wireless interface
[15:51] <Caver> capacity or speed?
[15:52] <mjr> (I'd doubt it'd work at all, but of course theoretically an SDHC card might expose the first 2GB to an SD reader)
[15:53] <Caver> hmm sandisk have a much cheaper version
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[15:55] <Caver> anyway ... seems you can make all kinds of connections over SD ... how wise it is, is a different question entirely
[15:56] * hamitron will be using network shares
[15:56] * Caver will have to resort to usb wifi
[15:57] <hamitron> no ethernet? :/
[15:57] <Caver> not when mounted on top of my Roomba
[15:57] * SpeedEvil will also be using usb wifi.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> For the 'can't be arsed to find my hub and dig out cable' reason.
[15:57] <hamitron> hehe
[15:57] * Caver has been thinking up yet more bad things to try with it :)
[15:57] <hamitron> well, I just cba to have wifi
[15:58] <hamitron> so i can't comment on your laziness :)
[15:58] <Caver> roomba for transport - it can communicate over serial
[15:58] <Caver> roomba can also provide power for the Pi
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about connecting 8 USB wifi cards to the Pi.
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> And switching based on signal strength.
[15:58] <Caver> then some kind of camera - cheap robot
[15:59] <hamitron> surely 2 wifi cards would be enough?
[15:59] <Caver> I'm thinking of programming it to recognise the dog and follow him
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: For a fully 3D small UAV, with a wifi dish pointed at it - maybe not.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> 8 is probably overkill
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> But not by much
[16:00] <lasttime> can you bridge the two wifi signals?
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball
[16:01] <hamitron> think I shall stick to a cable.... then I know when it is connected :)
[16:04] <mjr> usb wifi may be likely for the "no ethernet pulled into the room this'll probably be in" reason
[16:04] <Caver> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Pro-SDHC-SDSDXP1-032G/dp/B004JJQN8G the ultimate in Pi speed
[16:04] <mjr> though I might just do without networking too for some purposes at least
[16:05] <Caver> as aparently the SD slot does support "DDR50" mode
[16:05] <mjr> or pull an ugly cable
[16:07] <OneFix_Work> So, what's this with not being able to buy a rPi until September? :)
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[16:08] <lasttime> so what does "DDR50" entail? I just tried to google it, not so much.
[16:08] <mjr> OneFix_Work, don't, you'll cause koaschten an aneurysm
[16:08] <Caver> it's a mode you can put the SD card into, that makes it run fast :)
[16:08] <koaschten> augh
[16:08] <mjr> OneFix_Work, that refers to the edu launch with a case and all
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[16:11] <lasttime> Is there a place that lists SD cards that support DDR50/PC4K mode?
[16:11] <OneFix_Work> mjr: Yea, I don't see why there couldn't be an option to buy a "base" kit at launch, though...Micro USB charger + HDMI cable
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[16:12] <Caver> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/whats-the-max-speed-of-the-sd-card-slot/page-2 mentions it about half way down - the source if the data sheet
[16:12] <Caver> On page 82 it says
[16:12] <Caver> UHSMODE
[16:12] <Caver> Select the speed mode of the SD card: RW 0x0
[16:12] <Caver> 000 = SDR12
[16:12] <Caver> 001 = SDR25
[16:12] <Caver> 010 = SDR50
[16:12] <Caver> 011 = SDR104
[16:12] <Caver> 100 = DDR50
[16:12] <Caver> other = reserved
[16:12] <lasttime> http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_sdxc.html : ddr50 ~ 50MB/s
[16:12] <mjr> OneFix_Work, reportedly power sources and sd cards will be available as optional extras from the store during the initial launch
[16:13] <Caver> hmm so like you say might make for a better SATA interface option
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[16:14] <Caver> so ddr50 is also known as UHS50
[16:14] <Caver> handy to know
[16:14] <Caver> I suspect cards that fast will be expensive
[16:15] <lasttime> Caver: I think it would, but I have had no luck finding anything that either converts from sd --> sata or even anyone who has replaced a sd reader header with a sata interface
[16:15] <OneFix_Work> mjr: Kewl, I was thinking about that, with a micro USB power source, you could run the thing off of one of those little emergency cell phone chargers...dunno how long it would last though
[16:15] <Caver> yeah ... plenty of devices that'll do the other way around
[16:16] <lasttime> yep, searched through page upon page on ebay / alibaba / etc that are SATA --> SD
[16:17] <Caver> ah well I'll see how well my usb to sata works to beging with
[16:17] <OneFix_Work> Caver: I would AssUMe that is primarily because the SD standard is much simpler than the SATA standard
[16:18] <lasttime> we could do SD --> USB --> SATA for around $75+, hardly worth it
[16:18] <Caver> lol no
[16:18] <Caver> just use the onboard SD
[16:18] <lasttime> lol
[16:18] <Caver> I mean *USB
[16:18] <Caver> d'oh
[16:19] <lasttime> yep, I'm just talking about this to keep the usb bus on the board free and clear
[16:19] <Caver> oh I know
[16:20] <OneFix_Work> lasttime: Why is that? Reduce power consumption?
[16:20] <Caver> so you can power your usb mini bread maker?
[16:21] <lasttime> Make all the Bread!
[16:21] <Caver> for not a lot more just plug in a UHS-1 spec SD card, it'll be as close as damit to hard disk speeds and less latency
[16:22] <lasttime> OneFix_Work: initially to use the RP as a bittorrent seed box, now it's more of a let's see if we can
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[16:24] <OneFix_Work> lasttime: Oh, so you would want to put say a 2TB drive on the rPi for seeding, right?
[16:25] <lasttime> yes and no, the issue with the RP is that network and storage are both on the same usb hub aside from the sd card
[16:26] <lasttime> so you are running both at the same time, prone to errors and slow throughput
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[16:26] <lasttime> bad for bittorrent
[16:26] <OneFix_Work> lasttime: Oh, so accessing a drive on the USB port is going to slow down the network?
[16:26] <Caver> yes
[16:26] <lasttime> worse, it could cause errors in transfer as some have said on here
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[16:27] <mjr> "could cause errors" if the equipment doesn't work properly, so I wouldn't sow FUD about it in advance
[16:27] <mjr> certainly more load on the usb bus does give more chances for errors to occur, but it's not a given
[16:28] <lasttime> that's true, this is all conjecture
[16:28] <Soul_Est> lasttime: It might cost more but I would have an Atom or C3 powered minit-itx system for that.
[16:28] <lasttime> Well that would be why this was 'spitballed': price
[16:29] <Caver> not sure Atom or C3 are as low powered
[16:29] <Caver> which is handy for something you'd leave on 24x7
[16:29] <Soul_Est> lasttime: ah true but there's only so low you can go before cutting out essentails for certain applications
[16:29] <DaQatz> I have a C7 mini itx
[16:29] <DaQatz> piBot runs on it
[16:30] <Caver> realistically *if* I was doing this, I only allow a certain percentage of my bandwidth anyhow
[16:30] <Caver> yay :)
[16:30] <DaQatz> Seems pibot got dc'ed
[16:30] <DaQatz> Let my restart him
[16:30] <Caver> LOL
[16:31] <Soul_Est> Caver:on an Atom or C3 aren't as lower powered even if you under underclocked and undervolted them. they will fit lasttime's need for a seedbox with good throughput and no errors.
[16:31] <lasttime> I know, I have an amd e350 at home for this as well, like almost all RP projects currently, it's a "let's see if we can"
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[16:31] <Caver> I'm not too sure about this error's stuff, but yes low through put
[16:32] <Caver> I agree
[16:32] <Soul_Est> lasttime: oh is the e350? I was looking into using it for a distcc project.
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[16:32] <OneFix_Work> Part of the problem of finding an SD -> SATA adapter would be that I'm pretty sure that the power requirements for SD are far less than the average harddrive
[16:32] <OneFix_Work> So, you would need to provide some sort of additional power to the drive
[16:32] <OneFix_Work> It would almost be better to get an SD + Wireless card (like one of the Eye-Fi cards, and turn the problem around
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[16:32] <Soul_Est> lasttime: I meant 'how is the e350?'
[16:32] <lasttime> soul_est the brazos amd e350 is nice if you just need the power of first gen intel ion
[16:33] <lasttime> so not so great
[16:33] <lasttime> but it is extremely low on power draw when underclocked
[16:33] <zgreg_> OneFix_Work: what's the point of this - the SD interface isn't any faster than USB
[16:34] <Caver> zgreg_, I'm not so sure thats true
[16:34] <Soul_Est> lasttime: perfect seedbox and internet kiosk material really. ok ok. looks like I'm building high powered custom sff systems for my distcc and renderfarm project.
[16:34] <Caver> did you see what I wrote about UHS-1 etc?
[16:34] <zgreg_> Caver: the standard 4-bit SD interface is about 200 mbps
[16:34] <zgreg_> nope
[16:34] <Caver> scroll up then!
[16:35] <zgreg_> but I don't think the pi has this
[16:35] <mjr> eye-fi doesn't expose the wifi functionality to the sd host
[16:35] <Caver> again ... scroll up
[16:35] <mjr> besides that, just stick a normal sd memory card in there and deal with it ;]
[16:36] <Caver> page 82 of the datasheet, lists speed mode of the SD card ... one of which is DDR50 - aka UHS-1
[16:36] <zgreg_> Caver: ah, so it looks like the new high-speed modes are supported?
[16:36] <Caver> I'm hoping so
[16:36] <Caver> they *are* expensive, but it's nice to have the option
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[16:36] <zgreg_> they'll only get cheaper over time
[16:37] <OneFix_Work> zgreg_: The USB port on the rPi might be error prone if you are accessing a storage device and network at the same time
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[16:37] <zgreg_> error-prone?
[16:37] <zgreg_> slow maybe, but that's it
[16:37] <mjr> aaargh
[16:37] <mjr> thus the rumor starts
[16:38] <Caver> grrr
[16:38] <hamitron> it may have a limited lifetime too
[16:38] <hamitron> maybe 9 months
[16:38] <hamitron> :/
[16:38] <mjr> "did you hear, rPi's USB eats babies"
[16:38] <Caver> *bangs head on wall*
[16:38] <hamitron> :D
[16:38] <Caver> and it won't be release until christmas ... 2014
[16:39] <hamitron> some kid may use it to take over the world.... so it has potential at least
[16:39] <hamitron> ;/
[16:39] <urs> Also I hear a chinese worker died when he accidentally swallowed one!
[16:39] <OneFix_Work> zgreg_: Not exactly. The network interface on the Model B shares the same USB hub as the 2 ports on the board.
[16:39] <hamitron> how greedy :/ he got one before me!
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[16:40] <zgreg_> OneFix_Work: sure. but "error prone" indicates serious problems, like data loss. and that's simply not the case.
[16:40] <Soul_Est> Caver: one problem with getting a high speed card is working with small files. great for large files but performs poorly on smaller files
[16:40] <Caver> I think we can blame ukscone1 for this one ...
[16:40] <hamitron> how hot will IC on the Pi get btw?
[16:40] <OneFix_Work> zgreg_: Umh, it's not really the rPi that's at fault for this one...it's the USB devices you connect to it
[16:40] <Caver> Soul_Est, really?
[16:41] <DaQatz> mjr, Only the sick slow ones.
[16:41] <Caver> remember the latency is better on a solid state device
[16:41] <Soul_Est> Caver: i've had the problem before and it has been proven on xda-developers. i'll find you the link
[16:41] <Caver> with linux?
[16:42] <OneFix_Work> zgreg_: It's never recommended to plug storage into a USB hub if it can be avoided
[16:42] <hamitron> my usb 3.0 hdd sucks tbh :/
[16:42] <zgreg_> OneFix_Work: again, since might go slower, but that's the end of the story.
[16:42] <Soul_Est> Caver: yup, android actually. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
[16:42] <zgreg_> s/since/things/
[16:42] <Caver> I've got a USB3.0 SSD usb stick which I think is great
[16:43] <Caver> hmm well thats not really standard linux then
[16:43] <Soul_Est> hamitron: which one are you using?
[16:43] <hamitron> Toshiba v4 or something
[16:43] <zgreg_> by the way, what does the UHS physical interface look like? this stuff is hardly documented at all...
[16:43] <hamitron> it has a pretty pattern on the case ;)
[16:43] <Soul_Est> Caver: I know but the tests in the thread still applies.
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[16:44] <Soul_Est> hamitron: should have good Western Digital or Seagate
[16:44] <hamitron> well, this one was about as good as WD in benchmarks
[16:45] <hamitron> and it performs good tbh
[16:45] <hamitron> but not the same as an internal drive
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[16:45] <Caver> zgreg_, I think UHS-1 is physically the same slot as SD, it's a driver/clocking thing - it's mentioned in the wiki article
[16:45] <hamitron> or esata
[16:46] <zgreg_> Caver: of course the pin arrangement is the same. that's not the problem. I'd like to know the bus protocol works.
[16:47] <Caver> http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_sdxc.html
[16:47] <Caver> oh I think you have to join the right consortium to know that kind of thing
[16:47] <Soul_Est> hamitron: It definitely won't be. usb carries power along with data. sata and esata have have more wires carrying the data in either direction.
[16:47] <zgreg_> so just higher clock?
[16:47] <mjr> Caver, does it follow btw that the rPi supports sdxc?
[16:48] <zgreg_> I thought they went for something better :)
[16:48] <hamitron> Soul_Est, exactly
[16:48] <Caver> zgreg_, no it's double pumped
[16:48] <Soul_Est> hamitron: you could remove the drive from the enclosure though and void your warranty. ;)
[16:49] <zgreg_> Caver: not all modes, though
[16:49] <hamitron> Soul_Est, only reason I got it, as it has a standard interface most my PC have
[16:49] <hamitron> Soul_Est, no ty! will use other drives for that :)
[16:49] <zgreg_> but keeping the clock low seems like the better option for power consumption
[16:49] <Caver> mjr, I don't know .... but I think we'll be able to write a open source driver that will make it work in UHS-1 mode
[16:49] <Soul_Est> hamitron: I hear you on that one. is the toshiba formatted udf?
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[16:50] <hamitron> ext3 atm
[16:50] <Caver> zgreg_, what modes are you talking about?
[16:50] <lasttime> how to solder QFN or MLF components without solder paste : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Qt5CtUlqY
[16:50] <zgreg_> Caver: the SDR50 and SDR104 modes
[16:50] <hamitron> but I also found my USB 3.0 host controller can't boot off media :(
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[16:50] <zgreg_> but it's really interesting to see that UHS is just the old interface on steroids
[16:51] <hamitron> small oversight ;/
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[16:51] <Caver> zgreg_, erm ... where did you get the idea that SDR50 and SDR104 don't work?
[16:51] <lasttime> i'd love it if it was possible to rip the sd card interface off and replace it with a usb 3.0 controller/hub
[16:51] <Caver> did you look at the reference I mentioned?
[16:52] <zgreg_> Caver: you must have misunderstood, I never said that
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[16:52] <Soul_Est> hamitron: ah ok. I've got my wd running a udf formatted on a fat16 type partition table. Mac os x: good, windows (which I did this crap for): good, linux (as of kernel 3.1 or 3.2): good, openbsd: nope
[16:52] <zgreg_> Caver: I said that not all modes are double-pumped
[16:52] <Caver> ok
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[16:52] <zgreg_> so they're basically just the old SD interface with a huge bump in clock speed
[16:52] <Soul_Est> hamitron: ouch on the non-booting usb host controller
[16:53] <hamitron> Soul_Est, NEC cheap tat
[16:53] <hamitron> :)
[16:53] <hamitron> it was only a toy to play with anyway
[16:53] <Soul_Est> hamitron: NEC? cheap indeed considering how good their professional monitors are
[16:54] <hamitron> same as with the r-pi, a toy I will use according to how good it is, with no "requirements"
[16:54] <Soul_Est> hamitron: agreed. I'm turned the first one I get into a print and scan server.
[16:55] <hamitron> :D
[16:55] <hamitron> scanners are well expensive now
[16:55] <hamitron> :/
[16:55] <hamitron> almost as cheap to get an all-in-one printer
[16:56] <Soul_Est> hamitron: I got a mfp actually. canon mp250 which I'll run through sane and cups
[16:56] <hamitron> nice
[16:56] <hamitron> :)
[16:56] <hamitron> I would love a basic scanner now, just to save space
[16:57] <hamitron> my hp mfp has decided to stop printing :(
[16:57] <Caver> these MFP things don't seem to last well
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[16:59] <traeak> camera phone == basic scanner
[17:00] * hamitron has no phone
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[17:00] <Soul_Est> hamitron: ouch on both the printer and no phone.
[17:00] <hamitron> orange cut me off for lack of use
[17:00] <hamitron> :D
[17:00] <hamitron> so don't really need one
[17:00] <traeak> yeah, i need to trash that laser printer here in the corner
[17:00] <traeak> old parallel nasty hp pos
[17:01] <hamitron> I like parallel
[17:01] <hamitron> :/
[17:01] <hamitron> got more spare printer cables for them :D
[17:01] <hamitron> and have had less hassle with them over the years
[17:02] <Caver> have you ever seen a film called "Office Space"?
[17:02] <hamitron> no...
[17:03] <Caver> well worth it, and as I'm sure IT_Sean would agree - shows the correct printer disposal method
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[17:05] <Soul_Est> Caver: smash it with a hammer?
[17:06] <Caver> repeatedly .... it's good therapy
[17:06] <Caver> "PC Load Letter" errors will never be the same ...
[17:07] <hamitron> I got an old inkjet I keep meaning to take apart and do something with
[17:07] <hamitron> just one of them things I've never got around to doing
[17:07] <traeak> .308 does well for hard drive disposal
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[17:08] <hamitron> it is just so hard to throw away electronics that still function
[17:08] <traeak> 7.62x51 nato
[17:08] <hamitron> :/
[17:08] <traeak> i know
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[17:08] <traeak> i have 6 120GB maxtor ide drives still aroun
[17:08] <traeak> they refuse to fail
[17:08] <hamitron> exactly
[17:08] <traeak> make good safety raids
[17:09] <hamitron> although, they are more useful than my 80MB hdd here
[17:09] <hamitron> ;)
[17:09] <koaschten> didnt we already agree that thermite is the solution to your problem?
[17:09] <traeak> i can't get a hold of thermite
[17:09] <traeak> i have some junk indian .308 handy though
[17:09] <traeak> i just inspect it first to make sure the cases aren't cracked (hehe)
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[17:10] <hamitron> I got 2 x 120GB hdd broken.... one has a pin missing on the electronics, the other has a mechanical fault
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[17:10] <traeak> hmmm
[17:10] <hamitron> I should mix them into 1 working drive
[17:10] <traeak> pin missing is handling problem
[17:10] <traeak> mechanical fault...haven't seen those
[17:10] <traeak> heh
[17:10] <hamitron> a loud crunching sound
[17:10] <hamitron> ;)
[17:11] <traeak> hehe i put one of the 120's in my partner's athlon2 x4 system for an OS drive
[17:11] <hamitron> they work! so no problem :)
[17:11] <traeak> hmm... 50MB/s
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[17:12] <hamitron> this machine I'm typing on only has ATA33 :/
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[17:12] <hamitron> but I'd argue, older machines can be more fun
[17:12] <hamitron> ;)
[17:13] <hamitron> look at all the ideas for the r-pi
[17:13] <traeak> should have also used them in our server, instead i recycled some 320GB WD re4 drives
[17:13] <traeak> only using 28GB of that space
[17:13] <hamitron> a really slow machine.... yet so much can be done
[17:13] <traeak> as appliances, sure
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[17:14] <hamitron> only problem is the space factor
[17:14] <hamitron> kinda makes a mess, keeping everything
[17:14] <traeak> yes
[17:14] <traeak> i did finally start throwing things away
[17:14] <traeak> something baout getting married i think
[17:14] <traeak> hehe
[17:14] <hamitron> haha
[17:14] <hamitron> yes, I nearly had that
[17:15] <hamitron> but I escaped.... for now
[17:15] <traeak> ahh
[17:15] <traeak> yeah i have 2 of the 120GB drives sitting on our makeshift server rack
[17:15] <hamitron> tbh, should have snapped my ex up.... he was rather tolerant of comps.... allowing me to keep 10
[17:16] <hamitron> :/
[17:16] <ukscone1> aarrgghhh fricking qemu
[17:16] <lasttime> RebeccaBlackOS - First Live CD Running Wayland Display Server : http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/02/live-os-running-wayland-display-server.html
[17:16] <traeak> so now at home all i have are netbooks and tablets
[17:16] <ukscone1> test -r libgnu_cl.a || ln -s gllib/libgnu.a libgnu_cl.a
[17:16] <ukscone1> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E UTF-8 -Epathname 1:1 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 2MW -lp -x '(and (load "init.lisp") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)'
[17:16] <ukscone1> qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - core dumped
[17:16] <ukscone1> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Illegal instruction (core dumped)
[17:16] <traeak> and a wii which isn't really used
[17:16] <hamitron> :/
[17:16] <traeak> except my son spreads the wiimotes and discs thorugh the house (grrr)
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[17:17] <traeak> what fun
[17:17] <traeak> hmm
[17:17] <traeak> 10 day countdown
[17:17] <Caver> ukscone1, you know you nearly started a rumour that the rPi's usb was error prone ?
[17:17] <traeak> well not realy
[17:18] <traeak> now that is a bad thing about archlinux
[17:18] <traeak> if you need to install a new package on a server
[17:18] <traeak> you end up having to upgrade the whole thing
[17:18] <ukscone1> Caver: i didn't say the rpi's usb was error prone i said using it (as will happen in any device with the same usb/ethernet setup) will not be a pleasant experience for things like BT
[17:18] <traeak> bluetooth ?
[17:18] <Caver> hence the word "nearly"
[17:18] <hamitron> bittorrent
[17:18] <ukscone1> but i suppose idiots who think they know but have never done will always be prats
[17:18] <Caver> not everyone quite understood
[17:19] <traeak> why will it suck for bluetooth ?
[17:19] <ukscone1> BT=bittorrent
[17:19] <traeak> bandwidth gotcha
[17:19] <Caver> bittorrent
[17:19] <ukscone1> excuse my french but jesus bloody christ
[17:19] <traeak> BandwidTh
[17:19] <traeak> heh
[17:19] <traeak> well bluetooth can be pretty taxing
[17:19] <traeak> :-p
[17:19] * hamitron offers ukscone1 a calming cup of tea
[17:20] * Caver becomes througherly roman catholic and sells ukscone1 a indulgence
[17:20] <ukscone1> personally i don't care if people think i am wrong as it doesn't really effect me but after 30+ years in the computer industry, 25+ building computers and 5+ hacking on arm and usb and sd cards and ethernet i know what the hell i am talking about
[17:20] <traeak> uhoh not one of those guys ;-p
[17:21] <hamitron> I personally agree performance won't be great :/
[17:21] <ukscone1> i wonder if i can do the same bet i did when i worked at citicorp with the hardware technicians and my boss -- i didn't have to work for a year after that one
[17:21] <Caver> oh?
[17:21] <hamitron> now a ram drive...... :-o~
[17:21] <traeak> ukscone1: you always have to watch it when you bring that stuff out...sometimes that means you are anti-innovation
[17:22] <ukscone1> Caver: we were beta testing the RM Nimbus
[17:23] <ukscone1> and there was one prpgram that they had to have but it was copy protected
[17:23] <ukscone1> and the nimbus hardware caused problems in particular the bios
[17:23] <Caver> uhuh
[17:23] <ukscone1> so i sent a report saying no good and it's a hardware problem
[17:24] <ukscone1> the hardware techs wrote back saying no the nimbus is great iots just a s/w problem
[17:24] <Caver> ahahahah
[17:24] <ukscone1> and i wrote back and said h/w...
[17:24] <ukscone1> and so on for 2 months
[17:24] <Caver> pride comes before a fall ... :)
[17:24] <ukscone1> in the end i called my boss, my bosses boss who had been tellign me to just shutup and fix it
[17:24] <ukscone1> and the hardware techs and their bosses
[17:24] <ukscone1> and said ok
[17:25] <ukscone1> we will all go and do this on one nimbus
[17:25] <ukscone1> if i am wrong i will resign and don't want serverance or a reference or anything
[17:25] <ukscone1> i'll just go
[17:25] <ukscone1> if I am RIGHT
[17:25] <ukscone1> i want 3 months paid holiday starting tomorrow, and my year end bonus is to consist of my bonus and the h/w tech's bonmues
[17:26] <Caver> the bet the bank approach :)
[17:26] <ukscone1> guess what i was right :) and i spent the next 6 months in france, germany and greece
[17:26] <Caver> ahahah - fair play
[17:26] * Caver takes his hat off to ya
[17:27] <ukscone1> i was the longest serving employee in my dept. in real time and effective time
[17:27] <ukscone1> i stayed in real time 7 months in effective time 19 months
[17:28] <ukscone1> we had 4 pople to support 10,000+ pc's in the uk and 60,000 in europe, middle east and africa
[17:28] <Caver> careful now, or you'll be accused of bragging
[17:28] <ukscone1> my original boss resigned the day after i started. went from pc support manager to pc support and network support manager in 29 hours
[17:28] <lasttime> Raspberry Pi benchmarked against Beagleboard : http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/raspberry-pi-benchmarked-against-beagleboard-low-price-is-long-term/
[17:29] <zgreg_> just 20 percent slower is unlikely
[17:29] <zgreg_> it's a lot more slower than that
[17:31] <ukscone1> zgreg_: theoretically or practically? there is a difference
[17:31] <zgreg_> I suppose eben either used unmodified armv5 binaries on the beagleboard and/or did some very synthetic benches
[17:31] <zgreg_> in practice the difference should be bigger, especially due to (missing) cache
[17:31] <zgreg_> ARM11 doesn't have L2 cache
[17:32] <ukscone1> looking at the current rootfs alpha it loosk like they are using armv5 atm
[17:32] <zgreg_> and if NEON can be used on the cortex-a8, all bets are off
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[17:32] <zgreg_> ukscone1: sure, but that's not the point, really
[17:32] <ukscone1> not built using vfp or arm1176jzf-s flags to the gcc
[17:32] <zgreg_> ukscone1: the point is, did he use optimized binaries for the benchmark?
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[17:33] <ukscone1> zgreg_: probably not as nothing has been built armv6 afaik yet
[17:33] <ukscone1> all the rootfs's are armv5
[17:33] * Caver fails to care, we'll find out ourselves soon enough
[17:34] <ukscone1> what he used on the beagleboard is also up for debate although they optimise their rootfs's
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[17:34] <zgreg_> ukscone1: that's what I meant, for the most part
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[17:35] <zgreg_> Caver: I think it is important, people shouldn't have false impression of the rpi's performance, only to be disappointed later when they get it
[17:36] <hamitron> not unless they will sell them cheap to me anyway
[17:36] <hamitron> ;)
[17:36] <hamitron> well, cheaper than cheap
[17:38] <zgreg_> and ARM11 w/o NEON is definitely a *lot* slower for common use-cases
[17:38] <zgreg_> e.g. software video decoding
[17:38] <zgreg_> that's going to be interesting since hardware decoding support is a bit crippled
[17:39] * Caver will be very pleased for *any* performance at the price level
[17:40] <zgreg_> sure :)
[17:40] <Caver> if I want performance I'll buy a PC to be honest ... it's small and portable and lots of connections thats interesting
[17:40] <hamitron> indeed
[17:41] <zgreg_> Caver: yeah, but there's lots of people with misconceptions about the rpi's performance
[17:42] <Caver> the lack of X acceleration I think will confuse people
[17:42] <zgreg_> and some definitely want to use it as a PC replacement
[17:42] <Caver> "but it does Quake 3 ..."
[17:42] <zgreg_> yes, exactly
[17:43] <zgreg_> does quake 3 at 1080p, why does my browser run so slow? :D
[17:44] <Caver> mind you ... there is nothing to stop us being able to write a better driver
[17:44] <zgreg_> well, anyway, I think it's important to be very clear upfront about what to expect and what the limits of the platform are
[17:44] <Caver> ok
[17:44] <ReggieUK> it's a fair point
[17:45] <zgreg_> I'm missing that a but from the foundation, although they recently started to explain a few things
[17:45] <zgreg_> *bit
[17:46] <ReggieUK> I think they have tried all along to be upfront about what the tech will and won't do, the misconceptions have stemmed from elsewhere
[17:46] <zgreg_> right
[17:46] <ReggieUK> personally, i have been under none
[17:46] <hamitron> I wish it had no video acceleration tbh
[17:46] <hamitron> ;)
[17:47] <ReggieUK> I don't expect anything to 'just work' as such, if it does it's been purely because of someones efforts to make it so, so if I want anything else to work then I have to make it do it
[17:47] <ReggieUK> I like the video acceleration, it's useful to me
[17:47] <hamitron> oh it is useful to a lot of people
[17:47] <hamitron> :)
[17:47] <hamitron> just "my dream device"
[17:47] <ReggieUK> but in a scientific project kind of way
[17:48] <hamitron> wouldn't have it I don't think
[17:48] <ReggieUK> not because it will play uuuutooobz
[17:48] <hamitron> ah :)
[17:48] <ReggieUK> or not
[17:48] <Caver> lol
[17:49] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: IMO it would have been nice if they foundation tried to clear up these misconceptions (no matter where they come from)
[17:49] <hamitron> has anyone read the spec sheet released?
[17:49] <hamitron> who understands it
[17:49] <hamitron> ;)
[17:50] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: but I guess this won't really help that much. there are still people asking all the same questions over and over again, even though these are answered in the FAQ
[17:50] <Caver> *puts hand back down*
[17:50] <Caver> I understand some of it
[17:50] <zgreg_> it's just like a big MCU datasheet, but I haven't really looked at it in detail
[17:50] <hamitron> it will be possible to learn to develop an OS on it?
[17:50] <ReggieUK> zgreg_, exactly, there's only so much explaining and pointing to the FAQ you can do for people
[17:51] <ReggieUK> even then some people still end up on here thinking they can do x,y or z just because they had the mental capacity to think it up
[17:51] <zgreg_> I think you can blame much of the press for these misconceptions
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> The spec sheet isn't really up to much.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> I mean - sure it details to a small degree the serial port.
[17:52] <hamitron> I admit I just got lost with most of it
[17:52] <hamitron> :/
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> But, for example, I happen to have the OMAP 3 datasheet open on my phone.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Err
[17:52] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: remember the reports of the rpi being "more powerful than iphone 4s"?
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> for my phone CPU
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[17:52] <SpeedEvil> That is 3560 pages.
[17:52] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: yes
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> And the datasheet for the power supply side is another thousand or so.
[17:53] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: I hope we'll get a full datasheet soon
[17:53] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, my thinking is to look at Minix, and read the book on it
[17:53] <Caver> oh god no ... not the how many inches of documentation argument
[17:53] <hamitron> code for the Rpi
[17:53] <Caver> more inches does not mean it's better!
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> Caver: well - it's indicative at least as to how much is missed out of the Pi datasheet
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> Caver: And in this case it pretty much does.
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> Tehre is _so_ much missing from the Pi SoC datasheet.
[17:53] <hamitron> but is everything there needed for OS dev?
[17:53] <ReggieUK> documentation is great and all but this is really for encouraging people to learn to code, I looked at a pic18F8520 datasheet the other day
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> No.
[17:53] <ReggieUK> insanely complicated
[17:53] <Caver> then go off and buy a OMAP 3 device !
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[17:54] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Very little is needed for app dev, or for non-core OS dev.
[17:54] <ReggieUK> not learner freindly
[17:54] <hamitron> well, I was wanting core OS dev
[17:54] <mkopack> Hey gang
[17:54] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: seriously? PIC is easy
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> The problems arise when you want to - for example - see if it's possible to trim power consumption.
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> For which you generally will need a full (or at least fuller) datasheet, and schematic.
[17:55] <ReggieUK> zgreg_, kind of, but it's a 100 pin device, so that in itself gives a level of complication
[17:55] <ReggieUK> then drilling through the registers
[17:55] <hamitron> I have no knowledge on OS dev, so I'd be looking at just getting it working
[17:55] <mkopack> Speed: From what they've said, what they've released is comparable, and in some cases more extensive, than what is typically released for products in this class
[17:55] <ReggieUK> then trying to work out what constitutes a digital high
[17:55] <ReggieUK> on a usart port
[17:55] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: still, I think it's a good sign we actually have some documentation already
[17:56] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: I didn't expect this at all
[17:56] <mkopack> You have to understand that they have a LOT of restrictions on what they're allowed to release due to Broadcomm
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: I agree, some documentation is better than none.
[17:56] <ukscone1> ReggieUK: isn't a digital high when you smoke ic's in your bong?
[17:56] <ReggieUK> now I know how to read a pic datasheet a little better, it has become apparent but it wasn't intuitive (to a relative beginner)
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[17:56] <mkopack> ukscone1: More like when you do that initial unwrap of the unit from the box :)
[17:56] <Caver> LOL
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> However, much of the released documents are already implied by the kernel source.
[17:57] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: yeah, but compared to big ARM SoCs small 8/16 bit MCUs are child's play :)
[17:57] <Caver> I think you knew you'd really screwed up, when all the magic smoke came out
[17:57] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, so the kernel source has all info needed.... to say code the same thing on a different OS?
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[17:57] <zgreg_> and even those small MCUs usually have hundreds of pages of datasheets
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: What do you mean by that?
[17:58] <hamitron> well, I assume the source code is for linux
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: If you mean can you port BSD to it, and have it support the same features as linux - sort-of
[17:58] <hamitron> so to code it on say, Minix
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: you may run into issues with the closed blob.
[17:58] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: I don't think source code is useful documentation
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: But other than that, it can work.
[17:58] <hamitron> ok
[17:58] <hamitron> so not something I should give up hope on
[17:58] <hamitron> :)
[17:58] <Caver> I thought the blob was only necessary for GPU and booting
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> zgreg_: It depends. It's one form of documentation.
[17:58] <ReggieUK> zgreg_, so you're saying that the r-pi datasheet will be more complicated :D
[17:58] <zgreg_> I'd like to say it makes reverse engineering easier, but that's it
[17:59] <zgreg_> ReggieUK: yes
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> zgreg_: For example - from reading the 16550 clone datasheet - the serial port driver will pretty much tell you all you need to know.
[17:59] <ReggieUK> 16550 clone?
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> zgreg_: It doesn't of course gtell you about unsupported modes.
[18:00] <Caver> lol
[18:00] <mkopack> Personally I can't wait for these things to start shipping and getting into people's hands in a little over 2 weeks - just so we can make all the idiot haters on /. to go stick it!
[18:00] <Caver> since when were unsupported modes documented?!
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> The 16c550 was a UART with FIFO that became ubiquotous in PCs.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Caver: Unsupported modes in the linux driver.
[18:00] <Caver> ukscone1, well said
[18:00] <zgreg_> SpeedEvil: of course. but you could also argue that a binary drivers will tell you all you need to know. it's just a little bit harder to understand.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> It's been functionally cloned in _lots_ of SoCs.
[18:01] <ReggieUK> the datasheet will be incredibly useful to some, helpful to others, leave more questions unanswered for some and turn some right off
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[18:01] <ukscone1> ReggieUK: and it will be dangerous in the hands of others
[18:01] <zgreg_> the point is that source code still requires a lot of analysis and guessing
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> I note that the 3500 page datasheet above was missing quite a bit of detail.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:01] <ReggieUK> and should r-pi foundation then run articles on how to read the r-pi datasheet
[18:01] <zgreg_> while documentation tells you directly how everything works
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Reading datasheets is an _art_.
[18:02] <zgreg_> and if the source code is badly documented/undocumented you're quite screwed
[18:02] <ReggieUK> zgreg_, not necessarily
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> My favourite example of this is someone over on ##electronics that got burned by a process change in an IC.
[18:02] <mkopack> Wait, you're supposed to DOCUMENT your source code??? crap! LOL
[18:02] <hamitron> hehe
[18:02] <Caver> admittedly if the Pi teaches that art alone, the foundation will have done a great service to the world
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> The clock for the micro he was using was specified as +-1%. Now, all micros in this like would make +-1%.
[18:03] <ukscone1> zgreg_: the lack of documentation in source code is often diliberate. stops the nappies from doign somethign stupid
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> That is - accurate to +-1%
[18:03] <ReggieUK> the datasheets for leapfrog chips are fairly comprehensive but contain errors, that won't ever be updated
[18:03] <Caver> the nappies?
[18:03] <ReggieUK> I'd like people to comment code more
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[18:03] <ukscone1> Caver: the people who are so full of shite
[18:03] <Caver> sniggers ... oh
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> It's just that the new version was still accurate to +-1%, but instead of being one frequency, and a bit inaccurate - would jitter randomly on a per-cycle basis around the nominal freq.
[18:03] <ReggieUK> documention at least to a rudimentary in how the functions are supposed to work
[18:04] <ReggieUK> if you can't write documentation does it suggest you don't understand the code you've written?
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Which made stuff heat up and use more power in the app.
[18:04] <ukscone1> ReggieUK: you mean you are supposed to understand what you wrte????
[18:04] <ukscone1> bloody hell who'd have thunk it
[18:05] <ukscone1> I feel sorry for the perl coders then
[18:05] <Caver> I thought good code was self documenting ...
[18:05] <Caver> LO
[18:05] <ReggieUK> your supposed to understand it all at the moment of conception and then it gradually fades just after you start writing the code, hence the neeeeeed for commenting
[18:05] <Caver> :P
[18:05] <zgreg_> I have seen plenty of copy & paste code
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> */It diddn't work, I kept changing stuff till it did. I don't know why it does, it shouldn't /*
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[18:05] <zgreg_> whatthecommit.com
[18:05] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, that sounds like me with my atmega board
[18:05] <ukscone1> i though you used the comments to just randomly test that your keyboard was still working
[18:06] <ReggieUK> why the F is that led lighting up, it's impossible for it to have power at that point, it's behind a switch that's currently off
[18:06] <ukscone1> i let my cat write my comments
[18:07] <ReggieUK> in general I tend to comment
[18:07] <ReggieUK> always have
[18:07] <Caver> yes your meant to do it in the code .. not on irc ...
[18:07] <ReggieUK> :D
[18:07] <mkopack> Hmm??? ok, just did a little poking around...
[18:07] <ReggieUK> in code
[18:08] <ReggieUK> but not for anyone elses benefit, purely because of my own poor memory
[18:08] <ReggieUK> even if it's just a quick description of what I expect the function to do
[18:08] <Caver> mkopack, what did you find?
[18:08] <mkopack> the ARM1176JZFS ARM core in the Pie is the same core used in the iPhone 3G (but the 3G ran at ~620 Mhz) Obviously the GPU is WAY faster in the PI than the iPhone 3G
[18:09] <mkopack> actually, iPhone 3G was ~400 Mhz
[18:09] <mkopack> So this should be nearly 2x faster CPU speed
[18:10] <mkopack> haven't found the amt RAM on the 3G though, I BELIEVE it was 128 MB though
[18:10] <Caver> interesting
[18:10] <ReggieUK> mkopack, 1.75x
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[18:11] <mkopack> Yeah, 128MB RAM on the 3G, so the Model B will be 2x the RAM...
[18:11] <zgreg_> I think these comparison is useless
[18:11] <zgreg_> *this
[18:11] <mkopack> Why's that?
[18:12] <hamitron> and raspberries are nicer than apples
[18:12] <hamitron> ;/
[18:12] <Caver> lol
[18:12] <zgreg_> the iphone 3g only runs iOS
[18:12] <Caver> and a completely different Os
[18:12] <mkopack> Similar CPU but 1.75x faster, substantially Faster GPU, 2x the RAM
[18:12] <zgreg_> plus apps heavily optimized for its ecosystem
[18:12] <hamitron> we could make piOS
[18:12] <ReggieUK> the 3g had rounder corners though!
[18:13] <mkopack> Yes, but iOS is just a stripped down version of OSX which is built on Mach, which is a *nix variant just like Linux??? Should give some general indications in capability
[18:13] <ReggieUK> so it's use as a throwing star was limited to bruising!
[18:13] <zgreg_> mkopack: I think it's a much more useful metric to compare to a low-end netbook
[18:14] <Caver> mkopack, Mach has well known awful POSIX performance ... so ... mmmm
[18:14] <zgreg_> there's lots of people that own these devices, and they run a desktop linux on it
[18:14] <hamitron> imo, should not be aiming to run a desktop linux OS
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[18:15] <zgreg_> yes, the rpi lacks ram for that
[18:16] <DooMMeeR> hmm a later raspberry+ with ARMv7 and 512 or 1024MB would be nice :)
[18:16] <DooMMeeR> but just as entry the current setup is nice
[18:16] <tero> DooMMeeR that would not cost 35$
[18:16] <DooMMeeR> nope
[18:16] <DooMMeeR> but 40-45 would still be ok
[18:16] <tero> em btw
[18:16] <ReggieUK> a lightweight gui is useful I guess on the pi but not essential
[18:16] <mkopack> Maybe, but that's tough given the different instruction sets and architectures
[18:16] <DooMMeeR> and costs for CPUs are falling all the time
[18:16] <zgreg_> DooMMeeR: wait for the rhombus tech thingie
[18:17] <tero> does even exists a PC with a modern ARM proc?
[18:17] <tero> and with linux?
[18:17] <zgreg_> DooMMeeR: might take a few decades though!
[18:17] <tero> and why not?
[18:17] <tero> :)
[18:17] <DooMMeeR> zgreg_: nahh
[18:17] <zgreg_> tero: no
[18:17] <DooMMeeR> there are even phones with touchscreen and stuff in the 150??? range
[18:17] <DooMMeeR> with Rockchip system
[18:17] <DooMMeeR> and CortexA8
[18:18] <zgreg_> tero: that's not very useful since ARM is not at all in the same league as contemporary x86 CPUs, performance-wise
[18:18] <rm> they are
[18:18] <zgreg_> ARM netbooks are feasible at the moment, though
[18:18] <DooMMeeR> those 99??? tablets are spawning like mushrooms
[18:18] <rm> 1.5x slower than Atom on matched frequencies
[18:18] <Caver> are there superscalar ARM cpu's yet?
[18:18] <rm> or maybe even equal by now
[18:19] <tero> i don't know.. i think a processor in modern smart phones are powerful enough
[18:19] <zgreg_> rm: atom, yes. but not intel core or amd k10. the desktop/server x86 architectures are still completely beyond the best ARM chips in performance.
[18:19] <hamitron> wonder how the VIA cpu compare
[18:19] <tero> for like an ubuntu
[18:19] <tero> and for office use
[18:20] <zgreg_> Caver: arm has been superscalar for a long time
[18:20] <rm> sure
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[18:20] <rm> but desktop core or k10 or whatever consumes 50 to 130x more power
[18:20] <DooMMeeR> the Nano is quite nice but there are no boards with it
[18:21] <zgreg_> yes, but that doesn't really matter that much
[18:21] <rm> atom is at least comparable (as in 3x to 10x)
[18:21] <DooMMeeR> hehe
[18:21] <zgreg_> and ARM surely won't scale up without increased power consumption
[18:21] <zgreg_> ARM isn't magic
[18:21] <rm> we shall see on that one
[18:21] <tero> nah
[18:21] <tero> x86 should just die
[18:21] <tero> :)
[18:22] <tero> and for older sw we should use virtualization
[18:22] <rm> ARM has tremendous experience designing low-power chips
[18:22] <tero> why do i need run a 20 yeard old OS on my laptop that i bought 2 days ago?
[18:22] <zgreg_> Caver: actually, I think ARM11 is the first superscalar design. or was that ARM9?
[18:22] <rm> and also that ARM is not dragged down by having to be compatible with an Intl 8086 from 1980 helps too
[18:22] <tero> rm exactly what i am saying
[18:22] <tero> :)
[18:22] <zgreg_> rm: that doesn't matter at all anymore
[18:23] <hamitron> neither did the 64 bit cpu intel released.... look what happened to them
[18:23] <rm> that's what they want us to believe :p
[18:23] <zgreg_> it's like 1% of die space overhead
[18:23] <zgreg_> and x86_64 drops quite a bit of the old legacy stuff
[18:23] <hamitron> I mean non-x86 intel
[18:23] <rm> sure, but you also can't do some useful optimizations afaik, because x86 allows some inconvenient stuff
[18:24] <zgreg_> in a few years it might make sense to remove the actual 32-bit-specific hardware parts
[18:24] <rm> I am not exactly an expert, just read a couple of things on it
[18:24] <traeak> well the x87 instructions could probably be dropped now
[18:24] <rm> and don't forget MIPS, too
[18:24] <zgreg_> rm: the ISA doesn't really matter nowadays
[18:24] <Caver> ARM11 = ARMv6?
[18:24] <traeak> like to see mips resurge
[18:24] <rm> seems to be reviving with the XBurst CPUs and Ainol tablets
[18:25] <zgreg_> and face it, guys, x86 will not go away, not any soon :)
[18:25] <Caver> which is what the Pi is?
[18:25] <traeak> would like 64bit of course
[18:25] <hamitron> I don't see the point in dropping older parts of intel cpu, if it breaks stuff and doesnt free much space
[18:25] <zgreg_> Caver: yes
[18:25] <mkopack> Eh, 64 bit on Pi would be a waste??? the chances of it ever having >4GB ram are slim to none
[18:25] <zgreg_> hamitron: reduced complexity
[18:25] <hamitron> zgreg_, but not much is it?
[18:26] <rm> there's also Loongson, but they are not low-power and there are no mass market products on it
[18:26] <traeak> on the pi, sure 64 bit would be a waste
[18:26] <traeak> of course
[18:26] <traeak> in general
[18:26] <Soul_Est> rm: unfortunately the shipping on the tablet is over half the cost of said tablet
[18:26] <traeak> ram is so trash cheap
[18:26] <zgreg_> 64 bit is not merely about addressing memory, though
[18:26] <rm> Soul_Est, on which one
[18:27] <mkopack> I'd LOVE to see a revolution in x86 + Windows where they do a clean break from the old stuff, go completely new - no x87, or the older SSE stuff. Just 64 bit only, clean, just the newest API s and such??? IF you need the older stuff, you run it through emulation layers
[18:27] <Caver> half the reason for 64bit being handy in x86 world, is the extra registers it gets you
[18:27] <mkopack> that alone would make for huge complexity reductions and increased security
[18:27] <Caver> ARM isn't as starved in that dept as I understand it
[18:27] <traeak> the problem is that SSE is still psychotic
[18:27] <zgreg_> mkopack: use a 64 bit linux
[18:27] <Soul_Est> rm: the ainol. I checked when they first came out last year
[18:27] <zgreg_> traeak: what
[18:27] <traeak> Caver: one word: mmap !
[18:27] <zgreg_> Caver: yeah
[18:27] <mkopack> drives me nuts when I see Windows still supporting ancient technologies like OLE and ActiveX
[18:28] <traeak> SSE instructions haven't been exactly consistent
[18:28] <hamitron> mkopack, intel itanium?
[18:28] <mkopack> HUGe security holes right there
[18:28] <rm> Soul_Est, not exactly so http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale/wholesale-ainol-paladin.html?SearchText=ainol%2Bpaladin&CatId=0&SortType=total_tranpro3_desc&SortType=y
[18:28] <zgreg_> traeak: in what way?
[18:28] <mkopack> ham: yeah, but that was a mess and they tried getting TOO far away from x86 with that
[18:28] <Caver> mkopack, mmm but sometimes you just need it
[18:28] <Caver> still the most useful way to make MS Office do stuff
[18:28] <traeak> zgreg_: amd vs intel's execution of SSE, availability, etc
[18:28] <Soul_Est> rm: I sit corrected. thanks for the heads up!
[18:28] <mkopack> it wasn't X86 at all, and it took too long for the EPIC compilers to really get the performance up??? It was all based on having efficient compilers
[18:29] <traeak> zgreg_: phenom2 even compared with core i7
[18:29] <rm> Soul_Est, and instead of Paladin, take a look at Ainol Elf
[18:29] <zgreg_> traeak: yes, but you can count on SSE2, and for the most part SSE3, to be available almost anywhere
[18:29] <zgreg_> and that's more than good enough for powerful SIMD in most cases
[18:29] <rm> it's got the (in)famous Allwinner A10, and most importantly, a much better 1024x600 screen
[18:29] <hamitron> well, I want something with s 286 cpu
[18:29] <hamitron> :/
[18:29] <traeak> zgreg_: yeah sse3 is problematic
[18:29] <hamitron> a*
[18:30] <Caver> ahahah
[18:30] <LiENUS> raspi out yet?
[18:30] <PiBot> LiENUS: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[18:30] <LiENUS> rofl
[18:30] <Soul_Est> rm: damn. that makes the kindle fire look expensive.
[18:30] <Thorn_> is queens next album out yet?
[18:31] <Thorn_> hmm
[18:31] <Thorn_> thought maybe it was cheating and responding to *out yet?*
[18:31] <Soul_Est> rm: make that overpriced
[18:31] <zgreg_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/633#comment-11201
[18:31] <zgreg_> crazy stuff.
[18:31] <hamitron> but is it out yet?
[18:31] <PiBot> hamitron: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[18:31] <traeak> zgreg_: i've noticed that enabling core i7 specific sse instructions gives me 15% boost over what's available with the phenom2
[18:31] <zgreg_> traeak: for what exactly?
[18:32] <mkopack> Ughm, and that whole AMD vs Intel instructions extensions back and forth is annoying as well
[18:32] <mkopack> MMX/SSE/3DNow!, etc. god
[18:33] <hamitron> problem is, it isn't just about intel vs amd.... software needs to target a range of hardware for maximum appeal
[18:33] <hamitron> imo, better to have more people able to do something, than greater performance on the great performing machines in most cases
[18:33] <zgreg_> the newer SSE extensions are generally less useful for speeding up things compared to the baseline (SSE2/3) instructions
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[18:34] <Soul_Est> zgreg_: surpised wired decided to do that. there really is no respect in journalism anymore.
[18:34] <zgreg_> AVX is interesting, but that's REALLY useless in a way
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[18:34] <zgreg_> there's *no* integer support in intel's AVX implementation
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[18:34] <mkopack> yeah, most of them now are either there to give a single command to do something that used to take 3-4, or they're very specific to a certain type of problem
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[18:36] <zgreg_> on the other hand, amd's implementation of AVX supports integers
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Realisticly, how fast can a CPU made just from off the shelf logic chips be? Is it possible to make something that's usable as a basic computer... like on an Apple I level?
[18:36] <zgreg_> I think x264 makes good use of that, not sure
[18:36] <zgreg_> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[18:36] <zgreg_> it isn't actually that hard to make a simple cpu
[18:37] <mkopack> Shift: yes??? I had to design and build one using 7400 logic chips while in college back in 1994??? It was HELL??? WIRES EVERYWHERE
[18:37] <traeak> zgreg_: I'm not sure...this is just compiler flags enabled with heavy use of <algorithm>
[18:37] <mkopack> (mostly because the idiot instructor insisted we had to make it 32 bit??? 8 bit would have been plenty to get the point across...)
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I understand the theory and really want to build something... but wondering if it will be usable =/
[18:37] <zgreg_> and as far as I remember, clock speeds of 1-2 MHz are doable for 8-bit cpu designs made from TTL chips and discrete parts
[18:37] <mkopack> Just the ALU took like 3 weeks to wire up and required like 4 8"x11" breadboards
[18:37] <traeak> zgreg_: our code base doesn't have explicit SSE instruction support, we just allow the compiler to rock and roll it
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> and is it practical to do with same thing on an FPGA?
[18:38] <mkopack> shift: MUCH easier on an FPGA
[18:38] <zgreg_> ShiftPlusOne: many fpgas actually have hard-wired cpu cores on the chip
[18:38] <mkopack> Wish I had taken that class, but it was an EE one and I was a CS at that point
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> would a cheap Cyclone II be adequate or would it need something much more expensive?
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[18:39] <zgreg_> ShiftPlusOne: since that's a part you often need and a hard-wire ASIC implementation is of course more efficient and faster
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[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm.. might be a fun project then
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> though the idea of doing it just with 7400 series chips is also interesting
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[18:47] <ShiftPlusOne> and... do chip manufacturers deal with anything other than large companies? Could you, for example, having designed a CPU, have a few thousand made properly on silicon?
[18:48] <IT_Sean> You could have ONE made, if you really wanted to. But, it would cost you a bloody fortune.
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> For a Pi-class CPU, I would expect the cost for the first 1000 to exceed 5 million.
[18:50] <koaschten> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Open-source-driver-for-ARM-s-Mali-graphics-appears-1432447.html
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, jesus =/
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[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Is that how much companies pay to have various ASICs made?
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: Yes.
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: It depends really. There are many options.
[18:52] <mpthompson> For small quantities, an FPGA would be the better approach. Not sure you can fit a Pi-class CPU on an FPGA yet, but it has been a number of years since I worked with them. They might run you $50 a chip, but that is $50,000 for 1000 rather than $5M.
[18:52] * Soul_Est is tempted to get the ainol paladin or elf. curse you rm!
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I was wondering why there hasn't been a kickstarter page for something like that.... I suppose 5M isn't exactly easy to raise
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: you go all the way from balls-out cutting-edge processors designed from the transistor level, to FPGAs, which are live reconfigurable.
[18:53] <lasttime> the paladin or novos? basic are really really dim
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: And that's $5m if the first run works.
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> FPGAs are >>>$50 for Pi-class performance
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> Also will use 10-20 times the power at a guess.
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, what about GPU aside, if you just want to replicate an ARM
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> It depends. What do you mean by arm?
[18:54] <Soul_Est> lasttime: both are novos. the paladin is the 7" anf the elf the 10"
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> If you are happy with a 32 bit processor with minimal or no cache, external memory, running at perhaps 150MHz, you're looking at maybe $20 or so.
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> for example the ARM1176(and whatever letters follow it)
[18:55] <lasttime> there was a review of the novos basic (android 3.x), with the 2 cameras, they said it was almost to dim to be useable
[18:56] <lasttime> doesn't make me feel good about the new gen paladin/elf
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[18:56] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: you really want to go and bother azonenberg over on ##electronics - he's designing his own mips-like softcore 16 bit CPU in a $15 FPGA DIY board.
[18:57] <mpthompson> SpeedEvil, you are correct. I only worked with Spartan FPGA which a fairly reasonable in price, but far below an ARM in performance. Still, even at $200 a chip, it's less costly & risky than $5M for the real deal.
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, that's exactly the sort of thing I want to do, but being a noob, I don't want to distract someone who's actually doing something productive with these questions
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: Indeed - if you can live with that. The $5m was somewhat a number pulled out of the air - I wouldn't expect it to be more than 2-3 times cehaper.
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (not saying that people on #raspberrypi aren't productive, lol)
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: he's quite happy to answer noob questions.
[18:58] <mpthompson> SpeedEvil: Yeah, so was my $50. ;-)
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> If you're interested in FPGAs, you can get fun stuff done in way smaller FPGAs.
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[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got an FPGA dev board, but no programmer for it yet... I suppose when I get started I'll bother azonenberg.
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> just seeing if it's doable for now
[19:00] <Soul_Est> lasttime: ah. hopefully ainol improved upon their mistakes with the aurora
[19:00] <mpthompson> The problem with FPGAs is the development environments are terribly expensive (for a hobbyist). Not sure if that has changed in the last few years though. They really are fascinating devices.
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: azonenberg was using all-linux IIRC
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[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Isn't something like quartus adequate?
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> (and free)
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.altera.com/products/software/quartus-ii/web-edition/qts-we-index.html
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> yes, that works too
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[19:04] <mpthompson> I'm looking forward to getting a Pi to replace my aging NSLU2 (aka slug) which I use as a very lightweight Debian server for backups and such. However, the lack of a real-time clock on the Pi concerns me a bit.
[19:04] <mkopack> mpthompson: Why? most computers just set their time off the internet anyhow
[19:04] <mpthompson> Would this device be a reasonable clock to add to the Pi through the GPIO port: http://www.goodluckbuy.com/arduino-tiny-i2c-rtc-board-ds1307-at24c32-real-time-clock-module-for-avr-arm-pic.html
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[19:05] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: In principle, yes.
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: But you've got to ask why.
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, many people are planning to make an RTC their first mod
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: Why is knowing the time before you can talk to the outside world useful.
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, it's vital.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> In others - maybe not, especially if you have systems on the localnet that can run time.
[19:06] <mpthompson> OK, I guess I just haven't seen such systems not have real-time clocks before. I can guess I can take it on faith the first thing the system does when the network is initialized to is query a time server.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Generally.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> My router has no hw clock
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> that's what it does.
[19:07] <IT_Sean> If you are running the Pi in an environment where it does not have IP connectivity, you need another time source
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> If you need more than just serialisation
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> Saving incremental time on closedown can work fine in many apps
[19:08] <mpthompson> My router as well, now that I think about it. Hmmm. I guess I can keep my Slug around to serve time if the external network connection is down. If the internal network is down the Pi ain't do much anyway.
[19:09] <traeak> lack of stateful clock on the rpi is more an irritation than anything
[19:09] <traeak> irritating in that it requires a network connection to properly initialize
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[19:10] <traeak> probably adding a clock state would be nice
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> wake from off
[19:10] <traeak> so that when the systems boots each time the clock is at least advanced
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Well - that's easy
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> you just do that in early boot
[19:11] <traeak> occasionally save the clock state, read that file on boot and bump it or something
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, is there some sort of sleep mode on pi?
[19:13] <mkopack> And keep in mind, not having a RTC doesn't mean there isn't a clocking signal in the CPU that isn't ticking off ???. It's just not linked to our real time.
[19:13] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: afaik, no
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, thanks
[19:14] <IT_Sean> My understanding is that if it is plugged in, it is on. If it isn't plugged in, it is off.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> A sleep state doesn't really seem necessary, though
[19:14] <IT_Sean> It should use less power while running than most PCs use while asleep :p
[19:16] <Soul_Est> IT_Sean: unfortunately -_-
[19:16] <mpthompson> My real interest is using purchasing a Pi as a reward for my 10 yr old son for learning Ruby and the Gosu gaming environment. I believe he'll think programming a game console-like device is cool.
[19:16] <mpthompson> Any use I get for a Pi for my own hobby stuff is just frosting on the cake for me.
[19:17] <mpthompson> I just hope KidsRuby runs well as promised, otherwise it's back to learning a lot more stuff to program in another environment.
[19:17] <osdh> will the power supply cable be provided?
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> mpthompson, hope it goes well for you. There's always a chance he's just say "The hell is this shi... Oh, ahmm.... thanks! =("
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> As a kid I wouldn't loved something like that though
[19:18] <mpthompson> ShiftPlusOne, Yep. You must have a son as well.
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[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> mpthompson, nope, not quite yet.
[19:19] <mpthompson> I had to pay about $500 of saved money for a TRS-80 CoCo when I was 12 for 4K of RAM and 8K of ROM. Of course, I also walked both ways uphill to school. ;-)
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, barefoot, in the snow?
[19:21] <IT_Sean> osdh: no
[19:21] <IT_Sean> you will have to soruce your own
[19:21] <IT_Sean> The ony thing you get when you order a raspi, is a raspi.
[19:21] <mpthompson> ShiftPlusOne, not to mention $60 (I think) for the special TRS-80 cassette recorder to save programs -- special because it had another connector for turning the cassette on and off.
[19:22] <mkopack> Man, stop, you're getting me all nostalgic for my old C64...
[19:22] <mkopack> I miss having a floppy drive that sounds like a machine gun firing as the head moves between tracks.
[19:23] <mpthompson> If we have come in 30 years from the TRS-80 CoCo and C64 to the Pi, I wonder what my grandchildren will be working with in another 30 years.
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd love some time on a vintage computer. Unfortunatly I missed that whole era. My first computer was ye olde IBM PC.
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[19:25] <mkopack> Shift - honestly, you'd be amazed how primitive they are, but also how simple they were to work with.
[19:25] <mpthompson> ShiftPlusOne, actually an arduino is pretty close to the old time environments if you ignore the fact you use another PC to program it. It's fun to figure how to work within very small resources to get things done.
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I was recently reading the journal of the guy who wrote Prince of Persia. At the time he kept a journal and recorded whatever was on his mind. Really interesting to read now... being concerned if there were enough resources to make the stars twinkle and such.
[19:27] <mpthompson> An arduino with an 8K basic and a simple memory buffer for video would be damn close to what I cut my teeth on. I guess that is the idea the Pi was born from. Cool stuff, I really hope it succeeds.
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> and if I recall correctly, they twinkled, at least on the IBM version... though by the time the IBM computers came out, I am sure such things weren't that much of a concern.
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[19:30] <mkopack> mpthompson: There's actually a shield you can get for building video games that is sorta like that
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[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... didn't ladyada have some sort of DIY console... maybe no ladyada, but it was some console based on a propeller micro which looked interesting
[19:31] <mpthompson> mkopack, yeah, I've eyed the gaming shields. However, my wife is less forgiving of me spending time on such things than my parents were when I was 14. Go figure!
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah this
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.ladyada.net/make/fuzebox/index.html
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> not much of a component list either... might be something to do on the weekend
[19:34] <mkopack> LOL, yeah??? of course, that's one of the FEW advantages I have of still being single :)
[19:34] <mkopack> (of course, Grad school + full time job + house to take care of doesn't exactly leave a lot of free time for that stuff..)
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[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Lol... yeah. Any free time I get there'a always someone who says "well since you're not busy, can you..."
[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... to build up the farnell/element14 cart for this fuzebox thing.
[19:38] <mpthompson> That is why I was eager to see my kids get to the age of 8 or so. I just say, Honey, it's for the kids!!!
[19:39] <Soul_Est> mpthompson: I would pull that excuse all the time!
[19:39] <Soul_Est> mpthompson: for our siblings though. no kids here.
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[19:41] <mpthompson> I do use the excuse all the time. She hasn't got wise to it yet, but I think she has her suspicions. :-)
[19:42] <mpthompson> If my son can program the Pi, then I'll have excuses to have them all over the house. Is it wrong to use kids for such nefarious purposes?
[19:43] <mjr> mpthompson, that's what they're for
[19:43] <mpthompson> Not to leave out my daughter, but she's more into music, theater and sports. Need to figure out my angle on that.
[19:43] <piofcube> USb to midi cable... on the pi
[19:44] <piofcube> R-Pi media streamer... erm... PI-Sports... get your son to write a sports game on it ;-)
[19:46] <mpthompson> Do they make a midi cable for the clarinet? If so, I'm there.
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[19:46] <piofcube> There is actually a clarinet midi controller
[19:47] <piofcube> Yamaha WX5 I think... *goes google*
[19:47] <mpthompson> Really? I'll have to check it out. Technology is impossible to keep up with these days.
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> piofcube, that's interesting knowledge you have off the top of your head
[19:49] <piofcube> I was looking into MIDI stuff just two days ago... Looking at getting an instrument
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[19:49] <piofcube> Now... I'm trying to decide between the Alto and Tenor sax...
[19:49] <mpthompson> lol, that's it. I'll check it out. I can imagine a game like "Dance, Dance, Revolution" where the kids have to play the wind instrument properly in sync to advance.
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[19:51] <Soul_Est> piofcube: go with what you find fits you best. I'm looking into the sax myself and that's what i was told.
[19:51] <piofcube> I always thought that guitar hero was a missed oppertunity... should have had real guitars
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> piofcube, there is one that uses real guitars, but it's not guitar hero
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[19:52] <Soul_Est> piofcube: not many would play it i'd imagine
[19:52] <piofcube> Soul_est: Yeah... Never tried a sax before.. so will plump with a studenty version first... played trumpet, trombone and bagpipes many moons ago.
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Rocksmith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuFEiVGKxSA
[19:53] <Soul_Est> piofcube: only played a recorder here
[19:53] <piofcube> My fingers won't let me do strings anywmore... So guitar is out :(
[19:53] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: oh nice!
[19:55] <mpthompson> piofcube, thanks for the mention of the WX5. I've saved it in my "interesting links" pile to examine further down the road. A bit costly, but not compared to an actual quality instrument which needs to be repaired every six months.
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[19:58] <lasttime> Are there no mounting holes on the RP?
[19:58] <mkopack> Not on this version of the board, no
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[19:59] <mkopack> adds too much to the cost of the board to add in the space for the holes
[19:59] <lasttime> Have they solved how to house it?
[20:00] <mpthompson> I would assume the Pi will snap into a plastic case and is held by friction along the edge of the board. Perhaps there are other ways.
[20:00] <piofcube> mpthompson: No problem :-)
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[20:01] <lasttime> I'd just hate it if it rattled, if the plastic case slightly compressed on small points on the board from both sides that might work
[20:01] <piofcube> If you are really stuc and I mean *really stuck* you can always use the brackets that are used to hold curtain rails up... the wide ribbon-plasticy type of rail...
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[20:02] <piofcube> Use a self-tapping screw where the clamp bit is so it will draw it together instead forcing the clamp apart
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[20:04] <lasttime> ugh, self-tapping screws leave a very permanent hole
[20:04] <piofcube> Yeah, but that would just be in the plastic of the bracket... wouldn't touch the pi or the case
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[20:05] <lasttime> ahhh! not bad, not bad at all
[20:05] <Soul_Est> lasttime: what about 3m strips?
[20:06] <lasttime> the sticky velcro ones?
[20:06] <mpthompson> I have a feeling the Pi will start a small industry of folks with Makerbots creating custom cases for the device and selling them for small amounts. The two seem to be made for each other. The lack of a case early on may be a blessing in disguise.
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[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> mpthompson, good point
[20:07] <lasttime> mpthompson: Along those lines it will spark an industry akin to the arduino / beagle board shield communities
[20:07] <lasttime> hopefully
[20:08] <Soul_Est> lasttime: no, the ones with the pull tabs
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[20:10] <mkopack> We can only hope!
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> RCA jack and a phono jack is the same thing, right?
[20:10] <lasttime> I think most people would be fine with a case that just had a slight lip on both halves that the RP gently fit into and even then just slightly along the edge
[20:11] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: nope
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[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Soul_Est, what's the difference? I only see "RCA/Phono" written like it's the same thing
[20:12] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
[20:12] <lasttime> "An RCA connector, sometimes called a phono connector or cinch connector," - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
[20:13] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS_connector
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> "The terms phone plug and phone jack are sometimes used to refer to TRS connectors,[5] but are also sometimes used colloquially to refer to RJ11 and older telephone plugs and the corresponding jacks that connect wired telephones to wall outlets (the similar terms phono plug and phono jack refer to RCA connectors though both plug types are used in tandem when a computer or MP3 player connects to a stereo)." So yeah, RCA and phono i
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> s the same thing then....
[20:15] <ShiftPlusOne> or did I miss something?
[20:15] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: they keep getting lobeed together but they are altogether different
[20:15] <ShiftPlusOne> but phono != trs though....
[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> though even when I specify RCA/Phono on element14, most of the results are the 3.5mm audio jacks >=/
[20:18] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: which are mini-trs. that sucks
[20:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Now to figure out what the hell the difference between a jack and a receptacle is
[20:21] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: afaik a receptacle is a plug
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> re?cep?ta?cle "An electrical outlet into which the plug of an electrical device may be inserted". jack "A socket with two or more pairs of terminals, designed to receive a jack plug"
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> great... one takes a plug, another takes a jack plug =/
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Probably interchangable terms I guess =/
[20:24] <IT_Sean> I would imagine
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[20:44] <lasttime> No third party apps on Windows 8 for ARM: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/no-third-party-code-on-the-windows-on-arm-desktop-means-no-plugins-for-internet-explorer.ars
[20:45] <Soul_Est> lasttime: M$ shot themselves in the foot again
[20:45] <Tachyon`> wtf
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> so... they don't want to sell many windows 8 arm devices
[20:45] <Tachyon`> apparently not
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> or it's just bad reporting
[20:45] <Tachyon`> although I suppose it explains why they're locking them to the OS
[20:46] <Tachyon`> because it's going to be so terrible everyone would be jumping ship for linux/android/etc.
[20:46] <lasttime> It's a little convoluted, this refers to 'desktop' apps, not html 5 windows marketplace downloaded apps
[20:46] <Soul_Est> lasttime: that's even worse
[20:46] <lasttime> you'll still be able to hand over 100% of your personal information with a single angry birds download
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
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[20:48] <lasttime> it is what it it, they want an IOS like walled garden
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> meh... let them It's their foot.
[20:49] <zgreg_> I can only assume they'll fail. apple is VERY good at this game.
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[20:50] <lasttime> I wonder if this is to quell people asking if a particular x86 program will run on whatever ARM Win8 tablet
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Microsoft is the leader at the failing game. Seems like their approach to everything is "trial and error". Seems like windows 8 on ARM is just an attempt to see what they can get away with. Not to mention the fact that it will desensetise us to things like UEFI or whatever it was called.
[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Might just be 'market research' rather than a serious attempt to support ARM.
[20:52] <lasttime> market research or hedging their bet
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> though through clicking links in that article I ended up here http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/windows-8s-locked-bootloaders-much-ado-about-nothing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it.ars Interesting article, but the picture is completly useless (the lock isn't on properly... it doesn't even fit the handle).
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> useless stock images I suppose
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[20:56] <lasttime> I've gone through the trouble at home of installing win8 as a bootable item in grub2, it wasn't bad, kind of a pain that you have to boot to grub, select the windows item, then select windows to finally boot win8, but it works
[20:56] <lasttime> although windows was the last OS install, not the first
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[21:03] <mkopack> Face it, MS has been making it harder and harder to install any other OS other than Windows on a machine WITH windows for YEARS
[21:03] <mkopack> This is just another shot across the bow
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, at least most linux distros have the courtesy to put windows in the bootloader when you install. Windows just writes over your bootloader without asking anything =/
[21:06] <traeak> heh
[21:06] <traeak> what do you expect from the local neighborhood bully ?
[21:06] <piofcube> I wonder how KDE for windows is going on ATM
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> wasn't too bad last time I tried it
[21:06] <traeak> kde on windows?
[21:06] <piofcube> yeah :-)
[21:06] <traeak> never had luck running anyting the screwed with the windows desktop
[21:07] <lasttime> http://windows.kde.org/
[21:07] <traeak> no thx :-p
[21:07] <piofcube> not fully ready still
[21:07] <traeak> the way to a happy windows machine is to install as little as possible on it
[21:07] <traeak> cygwin, compiler, firefox/chrome
[21:08] <IT_Sean> The way to a happy windows machine involves a long drop onto a hard surface
[21:08] <mkopack> traeak: which is why I have my Bootcamp Windows partition ONLY for games.. I boot to OSX on my Mac pro for everything else
[21:08] <traeak> gentee createinstall free
[21:08] <traeak> i think that's about it
[21:08] <lasttime> i remember years ago playing with a couple of programs that futzed with windows by a company called stardock, but that must have been 10 years ago
[21:08] <traeak> mkopack: dual booting isn't worth it, i gave that up ~1999
[21:09] <Soul_Est> the way to a happy Windows machine is having Windows 2000 on it.
[21:09] <piofcube> I prefer to keep the OSes to separate physical drives also... Just my way ;-)
[21:09] <mkopack> Eh, I do it just so I can play some of the newer windows games that just don't work well under parallels...
[21:09] <traeak> Soul_Est: windows 2000 has improper threading support
[21:09] <Soul_Est> I'll stick to separate oses on separate machines.
[21:09] <mkopack> Soul :AMEN! I never would have upgraded beyond that if games didn't start REQUIRING XP...
[21:09] <lasttime> i have an entire windows 8 install just so i can smoothly play mugen on my htpc
[21:10] <traeak> Soul_Est: it's way too prone to race conditions..that wasn't fixed until vista
[21:10] <Soul_Est> traeak: it did but it was the most stable for me.
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, hell, now some games require windows 7... the only reason I upgraded from XP
[21:10] <piofcube> You mean... Vista fixed something LOL
[21:10] <mkopack> And had a WAY smaller memory footprint, and it was a MUCH cleaner less cluttered interface
[21:10] <traeak> they fixed some core OS problems
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[21:10] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: skyrim?
[21:10] <traeak> and they introduced idiotic security policies (irritating to no end)
[21:11] <xlq> No. Skyrim will not run on the pi.
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Soul_Est, nuh, something way earlier... when windows 7 was still newish. I think it might have been Just Cause 2
[21:11] <mkopack> they just keep lumping in more SH*T and more interfaces to "make it easier to use" which just get in my damn way??? OSX is SO much better in that regard
[21:11] <lasttime> xlq theres no scummvm skyrim port?
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[21:11] <Soul_Est> mkopack: they should take a hard look at security and code quality first before anything else.
[21:12] <traeak> hehe, i don't think osx's interface is much better than windows
[21:12] <traeak> so your argument is subjective
[21:12] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: oh ok
[21:12] <traeak> i always did hate macos's gui layout
[21:12] <mkopack> Well, I find it less "in the way"...
[21:12] <mkopack> but yeah.. it's subjective.
[21:12] <traeak> the stuff i hated about next they adopted
[21:12] <lasttime> ... lmde w/ cinnamon :D
[21:12] <traeak> although i run windowmaker
[21:12] <traeak> but i don't run the next stuff that irritated me
[21:13] <Soul_Est> lasttime: cinnamon?
[21:13] <traeak> the next black cube is still one of the coolest cases made ever
[21:13] <mkopack> agreed. I like their keyboards too
[21:13] <lasttime> http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
[21:13] <Soul_Est> lasttime: i need bleach for my eyes now.
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> gah... $114.69 in components to build that fuzebox thing.
[21:14] <mkopack> I had to admin a NeXT cluster @ GaTech while I was a student.. OMG NOBODY EVER used those machines??? It was like the easiest shift to get??? Just sit there and play Doom all day
[21:14] <traeak> he
[21:14] <lasttime> if you use it for a little while it's really nice
[21:14] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: sorry about your wallet.
[21:14] <traeak> well NeXT was strange, a good product but never got real interest
[21:15] <traeak> the next stations at the one CS lab never had much either
[21:15] <traeak> the ibm RT's got more use
[21:16] <mkopack> I thikn it was a combination of the grayscale displays (that's all we had) and the "Just too different from most other machines" kinda doomed them from most students being interested.
[21:16] <mkopack> I was SOOO happy when they yanked out the old HP-UX machines??? Holy hell those mice Sucked!
[21:17] <mkopack> hockey puck 3 button
[21:17] <traeak> heh
[21:17] <traeak> the "too different" was a problem
[21:17] <traeak> kind of why you dn't see plan9 anywhere
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[21:20] <Soul_Est> traeak: or gnu/hurd
[21:20] <lasttime> couple of new(ish) pages: buying guide: http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide
[21:20] <lasttime> hardware basic setup: http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware_Basic_Setup
[21:21] <traeak> Soul_Est: gnu/hurd hasn't ever seen a release though
[21:21] <traeak> plan9 is actually deployed
[21:22] <traeak> so you can't compare hurd to plan9
[21:22] <traeak> and i would argue if hurd is actually "good technology"
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, what's the deal with RISC OS? why are people excited to have it on rpi?
[21:22] <traeak> whereas plan9 is pretty good tech, just really different
[21:22] <traeak> i'm not sure
[21:22] <Soul_Est> traeak: good point
[21:22] <traeak> it's not really a modern os in a few ways
[21:23] <traeak> Soul_Est: plan9's kernel and abi etc is stable, the user space has never gotten anywhere really
[21:23] <Soul_Est> ShiftPlusOne: beat me. nostalgia?
[21:23] <traeak> risc os may run slightly better than a fully pre-emptive system
[21:24] <traeak> but honest wth 256MB ram on model 'b' that's probably not an issue
[21:24] <traeak> i just recall windows95 ran fine on 32MB ram, although in those days 800x600 was a high rez display
[21:24] <Soul_Est> traeak: I've seen that. sad really. then again we already have openbsd (netbsd fork) and dragonflybsd (freebsd fork) mixing things up anyway.
[21:24] <traeak> Soul_Est: except they just retread the tired unix paradigm
[21:25] <traeak> Soul_Est: i like unix and all, it's just pretty crufty due to its age
[21:25] <traeak> Soul_Est: it's kind of like c++, very very useful but has a few warts
[21:25] <Soul_Est> traeak: point taken. there isn't much else except for openqnx
[21:26] <traeak> funny how the 2 (unix and c/c++) are so inter connected
[21:26] <zgreg_> c++ doesn't have a few warts
[21:26] <traeak> plan9 is probably on the same level
[21:26] <traeak> as qnx, plan9 is IMHO better architected
[21:26] <zgreg_> it has loads of warts
[21:26] <Soul_Est> traeak: most other oses ive seen are posix compliant is some way
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[21:27] <traeak> Soul_Est: a bare minimum to get a huge application library
[21:27] <lasttime> techrepublic RP article: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/raspberry-pi-how-a-25-computer-could-spark-a-computing-revolution/123?tag=nl.e101
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[21:28] <traeak> for many reasons i'd far rather code in c++ than in java or c#
[21:28] <DooMMeeR> !open
[21:29] <Soul_Est> traeak: same here
[21:29] <Soul_Est> traeak: c is well.
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[21:36] <zgreg_> I don't particularly like java, but I despise c++ :)
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[21:37] <traeak> just because you can shoot yourself with it doesn't necessary mean it's horrible :-p
[21:37] <zgreg_> IMO java is very good for what it aims for
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[21:37] <xlq> My god, what *was* it aiming for?!
[21:38] <zgreg_> traeak: I can do that very nicely in c already, thank you very much. :p
[21:38] <traeak> hehe
[21:39] <zgreg_> the problem of c++ is complexity and consistency
[21:39] <mkopack> I <3 Java???
[21:39] <traeak> xlq: as far as i can tell java was tyring to refine c++ as it was used in the early 1990's
[21:39] <mkopack> but I don't claim it to be the end -all-be-all solution for every problem
[21:39] <traeak> zgreg_: yup, one of its weaknesses...know what you should and shouldn't use
[21:39] <mkopack> traeak: yes, very much so.
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[21:39] <zgreg_> traeak: yeah, and everyone has a difference opinion about that
[21:39] <zgreg_> *different
[21:40] <traeak> yup, both a strength and weakness
[21:40] <traeak> and i'm sure you all here use c++ incorrectly :-p
[21:40] <slaeshjag> I don't, I don't use C++ at all :)
[21:40] <zgreg_> yes, because there is no correct way to use it :)
[21:40] <traeak> slaeshjag: that's an incorrect use :-p
[21:40] <slaeshjag> traeak: nuh, it's the only right way ;)
[21:40] <slaeshjag> C \o/
[21:41] <xlq> If you think you know C++ and you're not mentioned on the Wikipedia page for C++, you don't.
[21:42] <traeak> hehe
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[21:45] <Soul_Est> ill stick to c and asm
[21:45] <lasttime> Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released : http://lwn.net/Articles/480647/
[21:46] <Soul_Est> slaeshjag: o/\o
[21:46] <Soul_Est> didnt know hexxeh was in here.
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[21:47] <traeak> i know c++ well enough to know its limitations and to also disagree with alexandrei about some things as well
[21:47] <lasttime> the chromium os guy?
[21:47] <traeak> probably similar reasons as to why alexandrei loves 'D' and i don't
[21:48] <Soul_Est> lasttime: yup, seemed like that guy
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> don't let feep catch you talking smack about D
[21:48] <xlq> traeak: Care to mention some of the parts on which you disagree with him?
[21:49] <lasttime> god what was the password he used? like facepunch or something, i just remember laughing hard at that
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[21:59] <mkopack> Just please, god, nobody bring up Perl???
[21:59] <mkopack> POFS Cryptic crap
[21:59] <mkopack> I'd rather do Scheme/Lisp than Perl
[22:06] <Soul_Est> mkopack: so would i but it's used a lot in *nix administration.
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[22:16] <traeak> heeh
[22:16] * IT_Sean shouts "INSTALL ALL THE THINGS!", then clicks Select All, then Install in the SQL2008 Server installer
[22:16] <traeak> as far as i know python is ubiquitous enough to make perl unnecessary
[22:17] <xlq> traeak is my $hero;
[22:17] <traeak> unless you're stuck with a 1990's system to deal with
[22:17] <xlq> "my", lol. What a language.
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[22:19] <traeak> xlq: to cut it short, the experimental language i like best today is "clay"...see how that is different from d, c++, etc
[22:20] <traeak> xlq: doesn't mean i think it's perfec but i mostly agree with their philosophies
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[22:23] <lasttime> but can it compile to javascript?!?
[22:23] <xlq> Turing would say yes.
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[22:24] <ukscone1> bloody hell -- just spit my coffee over my keyboard and had a heart attack
[22:25] <xlq> Uh...? :-\
[22:25] <xlq> What, an actual heart attack?
[22:25] <Kolin> phone an ambulance mate
[22:25] <ukscone1> was on youtube looking for a video and stumbled across arcade fire's cover of poupee de cire poupee de son and the female singer is the spitting image both visually and vocally of an old girlfriend
[22:26] <xlq> Ahh. It'd be nice if "heart attack" was reserved for heart attacks.
[22:26] <traeak> that bad eh?
[22:26] <traeak> so was it howling or oinking ?
[22:26] <ukscone1> and the old gf was a singer as well thank god it's 20 years difference in ages otherwise i;d be worried she had found the fountain of youth
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[22:28] <ukscone1> traeak: actually i like the belle and sebastian cover of it trying to find a better copy of it
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[22:57] <lasttime> !w
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[23:04] <traeak> !w
[23:04] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Feb 10 15:53:00 2012. Temp 2??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 43%, Later 3??C - -11??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[23:08] <Soul_Est> !w mississauga, ontario, canada
[23:08] <PiBot> Soul_Est: in Mississauga, ON on Fri Feb 10 21:56:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 75%, Later 36??F - 10??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[23:09] <Soul_Est> dman should have asked for it in C
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