#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-16

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[1:29] <IT_Sean> So... 'sit out yet?
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[1:37] <tntexplo1ivesltd> IT_Sean: noooooope
[1:37] <IT_Sean> bugger
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[2:28] <mrdragons> Only 5 more days
[2:28] <mrdragons> Anyone else all tingly?
[2:29] <IT_Sean> ...
[2:29] <IT_Sean> 5 days?
[2:29] <mrdragons> Until they're supposed to be done manufacturing
[2:29] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:29] <IT_Sean> i see
[2:29] <IT_Sean> :D
[2:30] <mrdragons> Should only be like a couple days after that that I can buy one. ^_^
[2:30] <mrdragons> Er, we can buy one. >_>
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[2:30] <IT_Sean> heh
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[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> why 'a couple of days' isn't it going to take about 2 weeks for them to get to UK and then a few days to get logistics sorted out before they actually start sending them out?
[2:34] <IT_Sean> 2 weeks? I don't think so.
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right... same continent >.> .... how long does it normally take to get stuff from china to the UK?
[2:35] <IT_Sean> um... couple of day? I thought they were going via air freight
[2:36] <IT_Sean> *days
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[2:38] <hamitron> my mp3 player took 26 days :/
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> probably the time it took the sender to actually post it
[2:39] <hamitron> maybe
[2:39] <hamitron> that was a while ago I suppose
[2:39] <hamitron> max mp3 player was 256MB at the time
[2:39] <hamitron> '_
[2:39] <hamitron> ;)
[2:40] <IT_Sean> heh
[2:40] <slaeshjag> Well, I assume "air freight" isn't the same as "air mail" :P
[2:41] <slaeshjag> air mail from china can take anything between 2 weeks and 2 months
[2:41] * IT_Sean is pretty sure his first MP3 player was 64mb, expandable via a SmartMedia slot :p
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[2:42] <mrdragons> Vaporware I tell ya
[2:42] * IT_Sean slaps mrdragons with ShiftPlusOne
[2:43] <IT_Sean> DOes anyone even use SmartMedia anymore? :p
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> How would that even.... what?
[2:43] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:43] <zgreg> yes yes, wait for the rhombus tech board, much better, much faster
[2:43] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: I don't think I've seen smartmedia since 2005-2006
[2:43] <IT_Sean> slaeshjag: i only ever had two devices that used it :p
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[2:44] <mrdragons> Hmm, smartmedia... Never heard of it. >_>
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[2:44] <SpeedEvil> Smartmedia is the same interface as most raw NAND chips inside all SD cards, and SSDs.
[2:44] <slaeshjag> mrdragons: One of the first generic flash storage cards
[2:44] * mrdragons googles
[2:45] <mrdragons> Ah
[2:45] <slaeshjag> I think its main competitor was Compact Flash
[2:45] <zgreg> smartmedia was shit
[2:45] <zgreg> not "teh shit", just shit
[2:45] <slaeshjag> XD is the successor of it
[2:45] <hamitron> :)
[2:45] <zgreg> these cards were fragile as heck
[2:45] <IT_Sean> heh... agreed :p
[2:46] <hamitron> is there a way to reduce the size of a SD card, so it works in an old device?
[2:46] <mrdragons> High pressure?
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[2:46] <zgreg> you want to use an SDHC card in an old device?
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Sell it on ebay, and buy a fresh one
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[2:47] <hamitron> no, just a 2GB SD card in a device that only supports 512MB
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, it may work if you partition it right
[2:47] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, this is what I was wondering
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> What sort of device?
[2:47] * IT_Sean takes hamitron's SD card, snaps it in half, then hands half of it back
[2:47] <piofcube> I was going to suggest that but wasn't sure if it would work LOL
[2:47] <hamitron> digital camera
[2:47] * zgreg remembers how fucking stupid SD is compared to SDHC
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: huh?
[2:48] <zgreg> SD uses block addressing, but the blocks are not numbered
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: err - bull.
[2:48] <zgreg> you need to supply the starting address of the block... and that's a 32 bit uint
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> SD and SDHC are basically the same standard, but with slightly different bit-stuffing
[2:49] <zgreg> so, basically, the *only* difference on the block device level is addressing
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> The address modes are slightly different - the same as with sdxc
[2:50] <zgreg> not sure what SDXC adds in this regard
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> more bits
[2:50] <zgreg> but the design of the first SD standard is bullshit
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[2:51] <SpeedEvil> Where are you getting this 'blocks are not numbered' - it's not how I recall the standard.
[2:51] <zgreg> well, that sounds confusing maybe... what I really mean is that the addressing does not use block numbers
[2:51] <zgreg> it uses the byte offset of the block
[2:52] <zgreg> and that means, of course, with a 32 bit uint for the address, that it is not possible to address more than 4 GB
[2:52] <Syliss> hamitron: look on craigslist?
[2:53] <hamitron> craigslist?
[2:53] <Syliss> craigslist.org
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[2:56] <Syliss> i know here people try to sell 512mb cards all the time
[2:56] <hamitron> I've seen them on amazon
[2:56] <hamitron> but got some slightly larger cards from other devices
[2:57] <hamitron> some MMC also, from my ngage
[2:57] <hamitron> :)
[2:57] <Syliss> lol
[2:59] <Syliss> lucky me i bought a used g1 off of craigslist with an 8gb sdhc card and sold it to best buy for like $20 more and kept the sd card!
[3:00] <hamitron> hmmmm
[3:00] <hamitron> wonder why my SD card reader doesn't work in windows, but is fine in linux
[3:00] <hamitron> ;/
[3:00] <hamitron> guess windows just doesn't have the hardware support ;)
[3:00] <hamitron> umount memory
[3:01] <Syliss> hamitron: external or internal reader?
[3:01] <hamitron> external
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[3:13] <IT_Sean> Do you have the driver installed, hamitron ?
[3:13] <Syliss> i so want puppy linux for rpi
[3:13] <hamitron> omfg I am a dumb shit
[3:13] <hamitron> :/
[3:14] <hamitron> MMC was not detected first..... because I put it in the wrong way up ><
[3:14] <Syliss> haha
[3:14] <hamitron> so gonna try at full size now
[3:14] <hamitron> ;)
[3:14] <IT_Sean> HAHAHAAH!
[3:17] <hamitron> 1GB appears to work fine
[3:17] <hamitron> even though spec sheet says 512MB
[3:17] <hamitron> :)
[3:18] <Syliss> thats good
[3:19] <hamitron> 1GB certainly beats the 32MB on camera memory
[3:19] * hamitron flexes
[3:19] <Syliss> lol
[3:20] <Syliss> i use my iPhone for photos
[3:20] <hamitron> I got it ages ago, but skinted myself affording the model with dock
[3:20] <hamitron> so never got around to buying a memory card
[3:20] <hamitron> oh, it takes a better picture than a phone
[3:20] <hamitron> :)
[3:21] <Syliss> specs?
[3:21] <hamitron> only 4MP
[3:21] <Syliss> meh
[3:21] <hamitron> but got very nice colours
[3:21] <hamitron> they just look good
[3:21] <Syliss> what brand?
[3:21] <hamitron> HP
[3:21] <Syliss> ew
[3:21] <hamitron> I hand picked it at the time, for image quality
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[3:21] <hamitron> was torn between the HP and Fuji
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[3:22] <hamitron> the Fuji needed XD cards, HP took SD and MMC
[3:22] <Syliss> i used to use a kodak point and shoot, then it kinda died
[3:22] <Syliss> so i will not get another p-a-s camera again
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[3:22] <Syliss> so i just use my iPhone 4s
[3:23] <hamitron> I have to say, the HP's strengths is taking pics of the countryside
[3:23] <hamitron> :)
[3:23] <hamitron> macro mode is crap
[3:23] <Syliss> nice
[3:23] <Syliss> lol that sucks
[3:23] <hamitron> as is the dark
[3:23] <hamitron> fine when dark in doors ofc
[3:24] <hamitron> but nvm, got it for what I like taking photo of
[3:24] <hamitron> :)
[3:24] <Syliss> coo
[3:24] <Syliss> yeah mine died on a trip
[3:24] <Syliss> my wife was pissed
[3:24] <hamitron> :/
[3:24] <hamitron> I never used mine
[3:25] <hamitron> well, never taken it with me
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[3:25] <hamitron> used it for when taking apart motorbikes
[3:25] <hamitron> keep a record ;)
[3:25] <Syliss> so she was like, yeah our phones do really good pix, we will just stick with them since they go with us everywhere
[3:25] <hamitron> yeh
[3:25] <hamitron> makes sense
[3:25] <hamitron> pain taking extra devices with ya
[3:26] <hamitron> never have enough pockets these days
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> I'd prefer a camera in most cases.
[3:26] <Syliss> yeah
[3:26] <hamitron> well, I have no phone now
[3:26] <hamitron> :)
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> If I'm taking pics I want to do more than upload for casual sharing.
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> The n900 camera is OK though.
[3:26] <Syliss> only camera id use is a dslr
[3:26] <Syliss> i don't do photos just for sharing
[3:27] <hamitron> http://www.hamitron.demon.co.uk/pics/garden-seasons-summer.jpg a sample
[3:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4687082204/in/photostream
[3:28] <hamitron> maybe not so great by modern standards
[3:28] <hamitron> :/
[3:28] <Syliss> lul
[3:29] <hamitron> only ever used 2MP
[3:30] <hamitron> now I can use more
[3:30] <hamitron> :D
[3:30] <SpeedEvil> I need to fix my camera.
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> I need to desolder the screen, and resolder it into another camera with non-broken optics
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> Or I could try swapping the optical module.
[3:31] <hamitron> damn, now I need a n900
[3:31] * IT_Sean hands SpeedEvil a soldering iron
[3:31] <hamitron> :/
[3:31] <hamitron> they look good
[3:31] <hamitron> :)
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Lots of light helps.
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[3:32] <SpeedEvil> Indoors - well, it's not so ideal.
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> Not bad.
[3:33] <hamitron> tbh
[3:33] <hamitron> if I get one, probably gonna break it
[3:33] <hamitron> messing with software
[3:33] <hamitron> it will never be in a fit state to take a picture
[3:33] <SpeedEvil> It's pretty unbreakable from that POV
[3:33] <hamitron> ;)
[3:33] <SpeedEvil> ah
[3:34] <hamitron> unbreakable?
[3:34] <SpeedEvil> yeah - cutting edge, on a non-dev platform is fail
[3:34] <Syliss> I'm not a fan of the n900 cause of the os
[3:34] <hamitron> I'd prefer to avoid android
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> It's the closest to mainstream linux of any phone.
[3:35] <hamitron> so reasons speedy said
[3:35] <hamitron> :)
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> Regrettably.
[3:35] <hamitron> can you actually do much to the OS?
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> The n900 - yes
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> Though there are issues.
[3:36] <hamitron> I not looked closely
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> The primary issue is that the kernel is open - yes, and you can wirte programs to do stuff.
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> Games or whatever.
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> But the UI isn't open
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> And relies on a twisty maze of undocumented daemons talking to each other.
[3:36] <Syliss> i had a n770
[3:36] <hamitron> so you could put a totally custom linux distro on..... just no UI?
[3:36] <Syliss> ugh i hated the resist screen
[3:37] <Syliss> lol
[3:37] <hamitron> "just"
[3:37] <hamitron> ;/
[3:37] <mrdragons> Hmm, twisty mazes of undocumented daemons...
[3:37] <SpeedEvil> This makes - for example - replacing the internet connections setup tool impossible.
[3:37] <SpeedEvil> And the n900 and n770 are very different.
[3:37] <Syliss> oh i know
[3:37] <Syliss> still i prefer my iphone
[3:38] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, what I want is a device to hack together an OS, even if it doesn't work..... but then be able to get it working with default stuff
[3:38] <Syliss> i had an iPod touch right after my n770 and was like, omg better
[3:38] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: In some ways fully custom is easier.
[3:38] <Syliss> oh and i cannot stand android either
[3:38] <hamitron> so I could do that with the n900, and not brick it?
[3:39] <Syliss> doubt that
[3:39] <hamitron> I should research it :/
[3:39] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: yes
[3:39] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: ##maemo
[3:39] <Syliss> since the n900's are kinda old now, how much do they cost over there?
[3:39] <hamitron> ?90
[3:39] <hamitron> well, from ?90
[3:40] <Syliss> thats it?
[3:40] <hamitron> yeh
[3:40] <Syliss> nice
[3:40] <hamitron> tbh, they often go for ?140
[3:40] * SpeedEvil looks at his n950.
[3:40] <hamitron> but I still think that is a good deal, if I can play with it properly
[3:41] * IT_Sean looks at his iPhone
[3:41] * hamitron looks at his ngage
[3:41] <Syliss> IT_Sean: which model?
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> If only the n950 had been pushed properly.
[3:43] <Syliss> i really want a decent tablet
[3:43] <Syliss> either the iPad or a 7" android
[3:43] <Syliss> but their prices are a bit to high for me, which sux
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> I have an indecent tablet.
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> It's actually ok for the price.
[3:44] <IT_Sean> Syliss: iPhone 4
[3:44] <Syliss> lol
[3:44] <Syliss> which one SpeedEvil ?
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/woPad-i7-Rockchip-2918-7-capacitive-android-2-3-tablet-aluminum-enclosure-/190609379115?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item2c61344f2b
[3:45] <Syliss> if i can get a used nook color and root it or something cheap
[3:45] <SpeedEvil> Works for angry birds, and casual browsing.
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[7:57] <MystX> Sup
[7:58] <tntexplo1ivesltd> o.O
[7:59] <tntexplo1ivesltd> how's the dinner, faggot?
[7:59] <MystX> Free and delicious
[7:59] <MystX> Along with the large amounts of beer
[8:00] <tntexplo1ivesltd> anyone come put of their shell?
[8:00] <MystX> And coffee
[8:00] <tntexplo1ivesltd> * out
[8:00] <tntexplo1ivesltd> ._. coffee...?
[8:00] <MystX> Na. Didn't drink THAT much
[8:00] <tntexplo1ivesltd> =D
[8:01] <MystX> I like how dildo comes up on my phone's autocomplete after i type d-i
[8:01] <tntexplo1ivesltd> ???_???
[8:02] <MystX> =3
[8:02] <tntexplo1ivesltd> I worry about you
[8:02] <tntexplo1ivesltd> we got power, with genesis
[8:03] <MystX> Oh lol. Not the same every week version though?
[8:03] <tntexplo1ivesltd> no, don't think so
[8:04] <MystX> K. Lots of connection fees then?
[8:04] <tntexplo1ivesltd> said nothing about connection fees
[8:04] <tntexplo1ivesltd> htere is an after-hours fee for coming out to turn it on on the saturday
[8:05] <MystX> Well you have to ask..
[8:05] <tntexplo1ivesltd> wasn't me, neo
[8:05] <MystX> Why couldn't they do it tomorrow?
[8:06] <tntexplo1ivesltd> he didn't want to
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[8:06] * tntexplo1ivesltd shrugs
[8:06] <tntexplo1ivesltd> apparently one of us needs to be there
[8:06] <MystX> Who? Neo?
[8:06] <tntexplo1ivesltd> yea
[8:07] <MystX> Oh.. Ffs
[8:07] <MystX> How much?
[8:08] <tntexplo1ivesltd> $30
[8:08] <MystX> So a lot more than a day's worth of power
[8:09] <tntexplo1ivesltd> but one of us needs to be there when they turn it op apparently
[8:09] <tntexplo1ivesltd> * on
[8:09] <tntexplo1ivesltd> hmm
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[8:11] <MystX> I don't see why they need to come to the house at all tbh
[8:12] <tntexplosivesltd> neither, but someone is going to come out. They'll ring half an hour before they're gonna come out
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[8:13] <tntexplosivesltd> afk
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[9:42] <huene> is it out yet?
[9:43] <Syliss> no
[9:43] <Syliss> have you looked at the site?
[9:43] <huene> yes, of course :)
[9:43] <huene> normally the bot used to respond to this question
[9:43] <huene> but seems it's gone
[9:44] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, where is it...?
[9:44] <Syliss> oh
[9:44] <Dagger3> why do people bother asking in here? if it was out, we're not going to stop in our frantic attempts to buy it just to inform an extra person about it
[9:45] <Dagger3> so the only possible answers are "no, you can't buy it because it's not out" and "yes, but you can't buy it because it's sold out"
[9:45] <tntexplosivesltd> Dagger3: because we aren't serious...?
[9:45] <Dagger3> tntexplosivesltd: then... why ask?
[9:45] <Syliss> i can't wait
[9:45] <Syliss> i found something that might be better tho
[9:45] <tntexplosivesltd> Dagger3: because it's just a channel thing
[9:45] <Syliss> and cheaper
[9:45] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: what is it?
[9:46] <Syliss> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
[9:46] <Syliss> http://www.wits-tech.com/pages/board.jsp
[9:47] <Syliss> not out yet
[9:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ugh allwinner
[9:47] <Syliss> what?
[9:47] <tntexplosivesltd> preorders are a bad sign
[9:47] <Dagger3> tntexplosivesltd: sounds to me like it needs to stop being a channel thing, based on my above observation that there's no point behind it
[9:47] <rm> wits-tech available for purchase?
[9:48] <Syliss> meh you do realize that most things have preorders
[9:48] <tntexplosivesltd> Dagger3: get mad about it =D
[9:48] <Mowee> Morning
[9:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I will be serious about the allwinner when they make more progress on it
[9:49] <Syliss> it looks good
[9:49] <Syliss> and if they can get down to the $15 price, omg!
[9:50] <Dagger3> tntexplosivesltd: I generally prefer not being angry, which is why we're having this discussion in the first place
[9:50] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, then let it go =D
[9:53] <Dagger3> tntexplosivesltd: kinda tricky when people keep asking it
[9:53] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
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[10:03] <RITRedbeard> Evenin', tntexplosivesltd, Dagger3, et al.
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> To comment on the last discussion, I hope they limit orders to 5-10 per customer.
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> unless they can prove reasonably they're a developer/educational institution/etc
[10:04] <Dagger3> they're limiting to... ugh, y'know what, we've said this a million times, and I'm pretty sure it's in the FAQ. go and read that
[10:04] <rm> what preorders
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> The little guys like us are what will ultimately move and shape Pi -- self actualization.
[10:05] <rm> or nvm
[10:05] <rm> oh*
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> How many can I buy in one go?
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> For the first batch we are limiting orders to one per person. This restriction will be relaxed as production gets in to full swing, and we can be sure of getting boards to all who want them. This should prevent eBay scalping (to some extent ? we will also be auctioning some boards ourselves to try to make sure there?s no market for scalpers), and ensure that as many different individuals as possible get their Raspberry
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> Pi!
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> My excuses, Dagger3.
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> No doubt there will be ways to circumvent that.
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> Not that I wish to do such.
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> I just want the chance to get one, is all.
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> MystX you awake?
[10:06] <MystX> yup
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> How goes your LVDS work?
[10:06] <tntexplosivesltd> man I need to give you those eeprom chips
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[10:08] <MystX> RITRedbeard: TDMS->TTL->LVDS
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> Yup.
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> Any success?
[10:08] <MystX> Nope. Getting a panel in 3 days
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> Oh.
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> I was going to send you a fully fledged laptop or panel.
[10:09] <MystX> Oh, feel free to still do that =)
[10:11] <RITRedbeard> I'm afraid to send one of my two 240s though.
[10:11] <RITRedbeard> I have a feeling that ebay scalpers and older ultraportables will be very marketable/inflate in price
[10:12] <Ben64> how likely would it be to take the screen off my old winmo6 phone and use it on the pi?
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[10:13] <RITRedbeard> probably not that hard if you have the right stuff
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[10:13] <MystX> one of your 240s?
[10:14] <RITRedbeard> yes
[10:14] <MystX> what are they?
[10:14] <RITRedbeard> Do you mind if I PM you?
[10:14] <MystX> nope
[10:14] <RITRedbeard> well wait
[10:15] <Ben64> nissan 240z?
[10:15] <RITRedbeard> MystX, how come the first panel experiment failed?
[10:15] <RITRedbeard> RGB TTL?
[10:15] <tntexplosivesltd> because MystX sucks at surface mount
[10:15] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:15] <MystX> Im guessing because the panel came out of a laptop that died of a power spike
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[10:16] <Syliss> i hope debian runs good on the pi
[10:16] <Ben64> well*
[10:18] <Syliss> yey filezilla on my mbp!
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[10:18] <Ben64> Syliss: are you in northern california
[10:19] <Syliss> yes i am
[10:19] <Syliss> y?
[10:19] <Ben64> near CA-32?
[10:19] <Syliss> kinda
[10:19] <Ben64> ooh
[10:19] <Ben64> i thought your host looked familiar
[10:20] <Syliss> ?_?
[10:20] <Ben64> chico, california?
[10:20] <tero> um guys I have a stupid question. Does a linux driver(x86) for some esoteric hardware has to re-written for arm? (r-pi) ?
[10:20] <Syliss> yeah
[10:20] <Ben64> cool
[10:20] <Syliss> no
[10:20] <Ben64> its kinda cool
[10:20] <Syliss> yes!
[10:21] <Syliss> hero yes!
[10:21] <tntexplosivesltd> tero: normally recompiled, hardware dependent
[10:21] <tero> o...k...
[10:21] <Ben64> everything for the rpi has to be arm
[10:21] <tero> hm
[10:21] <tntexplosivesltd> so not re-written, just recompiled
[10:21] <tero> that sounds... not so bad?
[10:21] <tero> :)
[10:21] <Ben64> not usually
[10:21] <tntexplosivesltd> but some hardware will differ
[10:21] <Ben64> some things won't recompile easily
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[10:22] <Ben64> some won't compile on arm at all
[10:22] <Ben64> (like wine)
[10:22] <Syliss> Ben64: have you been here?
[10:22] <tero> my hw is on USB
[10:22] <Ben64> Syliss: yeah, i have family up there, i used to live there too
[10:22] <tntexplosivesltd> well yeah, but that's not a driver
[10:22] <tero> to in theory i should just recompile it?
[10:22] <Syliss> i hate it here
[10:22] <tntexplosivesltd> tero: what hardware?
[10:22] <Ben64> Syliss: why? tons of pretty women, not too crowded
[10:23] <tero> um some lab measruring device
[10:23] <Syliss> I'm married
[10:23] <Ben64> oh, heh
[10:23] <tero> and does have open source drivers
[10:23] <tero> but for x86 of course
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> tero: yeah should be all good
[10:23] <Syliss> and i like crowded
[10:23] <tero> and it works on usb
[10:23] <tntexplosivesltd> if you can get the source code
[10:23] <Ben64> well then you picked the wrong place to live :P
[10:23] <Syliss> I'm planing on moving to seattle
[10:23] <Syliss> it wasn't my choice
[10:23] <Syliss> I've lived here for 20 years
[10:24] <Ben64> i used to live in Dallas, then moved to Chico. was a big difference
[10:24] <Ben64> nothing is open 24/7 like it is in Dallas
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[10:24] <Syliss> actually a good amount of stuff is 24/7 now
[10:25] <Ben64> besides winco :)
[10:25] <Ben64> oh, and that walmart
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[10:25] <Syliss> lol
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[10:28] <Syliss> yeah my wife is from costa mesa. she hates it too
[10:28] <Ben64> :(
[10:29] <Syliss> we are only in our mid 20's so we are ready to move
[10:29] <Syliss> just sucks I'm broken
[10:31] <Syliss> broke my leg in dec and now i have to wait till I'm healed to think about movin
[10:31] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[10:32] <Syliss> if y'all wanna see the X-rays?
[10:32] <Ben64> what did you do?
[10:32] <Syliss> skateboarding to work
[10:33] <Syliss> http://syliss.com/xrays/
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: yeah cool
[10:33] <Syliss> there are my xrays
[10:33] <tntexplosivesltd> scott price, eh?
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> also I see no break =P
[10:35] <Syliss> cause of my metal
[10:35] <Ben64> wanna see something messed up? http://ben64.com/random_junk/finger/0523102109.jpg
[10:35] <Ben64> very obvious where the problem is
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> OH I see, metal everywhere
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> what'd you do?
[10:36] <Ben64> me? played basketball
[10:36] <MystX> =\
[10:36] <tntexplosivesltd> no, Syliss
[10:36] <Syliss> check the new image on there
[10:37] <Ben64> <Syliss> skateboarding to work
[10:37] <tntexplosivesltd> lol skateboarding
[10:37] <Ben64> everyone skateboards all the time in chico
[10:37] <Ben64> they don't allow cars
[10:37] <Syliss> http://syliss.com/xrays/490379977.png
[10:37] <Ben64> or nukes
[10:37] <MystX> Syliss: you broke it pretty good.
[10:37] <MystX> Also yay staples
[10:37] <Syliss> lol
[10:37] <MystX> They stapled my mums head back together >_>
[10:38] <Syliss> is that better tntexplosivesltd
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> not really
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't know what's supposed to be where
[10:40] <Syliss> really?
[10:40] <Syliss> u can't see the break?!
[10:40] <tntexplosivesltd> no =(
[10:41] <Syliss> http://syliss.com/xrays/490379977.png
[10:41] <Syliss> ill circle it
[10:41] <tntexplosivesltd> top or bottom
[10:42] <MystX> the bug split just under his knee?
[10:42] <MystX> (or her)
[10:42] <Syliss> http://syliss.com/xrays/break.png
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> oh thought it was that bit
[10:43] * Ben64 isn't sure what its supposed to look like
[10:43] <Syliss> lol I'm a he
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> scott price?
[10:43] <Syliss> yes
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> -D
[10:43] <tntexplosivesltd> * =D
[10:43] <Ben64> oh, paradise california
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[10:44] <Syliss> lol
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> aww you have one of those blog websites
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> owel, makes it easy
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> doesn't look too bad
[10:45] <Ben64> check out my site
[10:45] <Ben64> ben64.com
[10:45] <Syliss> lol im lazy
[10:45] <Ben64> not a blog :P
[10:45] <Syliss> i like wordpress
[10:45] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:46] <Syliss> haha
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> Ben64: your client-side scripting disappoints me
[10:46] <tntexplosivesltd> http://entropy.net.nz/
[10:46] <Ben64> i'm not an interface guy
[10:47] <Ben64> i like command lines and whatnot
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Ben64: you don't need any client-side scripting
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> that's what I meant
[10:47] <Syliss> wow that looks basic and meh
[10:47] <Ben64> not sure what that even means
[10:47] <Ben64> but ok
[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: which?
[10:48] <Syliss> urs
[10:48] <MystX> Haha tnts gonna get mad
[10:48] <MystX> im out
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[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> the point is that it's easy to find what you want
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> not that it looks pretty
[10:48] <Syliss> yes but thats so web 1.0
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> and I did it myself, I can't design for shit
[10:48] <Ben64> i have cool drop shadows
[10:48] <Ben64> :D
[10:48] <urs> ?
[10:48] <urs> Ah, nevermind.
[10:48] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: what, it works well on all browsers?
[10:52] <Syliss> mine ironically does too
[10:52] <Syliss> i know because I've tested it
[10:52] <Ben64> mine has trouble on mobile browsers
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> but you didn't do any of it yourself =D
[10:52] <Syliss> mine doest
[10:52] <Syliss> exactly
[10:52] <Syliss> and i don't are
[10:52] <Syliss> care*
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> Ben64: then can the client-side scripting
[10:52] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[10:52] <Ben64> oh wait, my new phone handles it fine
[10:53] <Ben64> :D
[10:53] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:53] <Syliss> other people write stuff for a reason
[10:53] <Syliss> sorry urs
[10:53] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: and generally it sucks =)
[10:54] <Syliss> tntexplosivesltd: I'm sry but it looks like it was done in notepad
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: vim
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> problem
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[10:54] <tntexplosivesltd> what else would you do it in?
[10:55] <Ben64> butterfly
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[10:55] <Ben64> http://xkcd.com/378/
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsyliss.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
[10:56] <Syliss> lol
[10:56] <tntexplosivesltd> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=entropy.net.nz&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2
[10:57] <Ben64> damnit, my site has 3 errors, 4 warnings
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:57] <Syliss> don't really care
[10:57] <Ben64> there is no attribute "CELLSPASING"
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> <3 standards compliance
[10:57] <Ben64> lol misspelled
[10:57] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: and that's why the web sucks these days
[10:58] <Syliss> not really
[10:58] <tntexplosivesltd> yeaha
[10:58] <Syliss> if it all looked like what you did there wouldn't be most sites
[10:58] <Ben64> web sucks now because of url shorteners
[10:59] <Ben64> t.co -> bit.ly -> adf.ly -> tinyurl.com -> actual website
[10:59] <Ben64> screw all of that
[10:59] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: that makes no sense
[10:59] <RITRedbeard> woot
[11:00] <RITRedbeard> I think I'm gonna send Mystx a lappy for his work on TMDS--->LVDS
[11:00] <Ben64> what is tmds and lvds
[11:00] <Syliss> i mean like content sites
[11:00] <RITRedbeard> signaling systems
[11:00] <tntexplosivesltd> Ben64: different signal systems for displays
[11:00] <RITRedbeard> HDMI, DVI, and I think DisplayPort use TMDS
[11:01] <tntexplosivesltd> yeaha
[11:01] <RITRedbeard> Laptop or raw display panels use LVDS
[11:01] <Ben64> doesn't rpi have a port for raw panels
[11:01] <Syliss> lucky me i can fix all those errors in like 2 min or less
[11:01] <Ben64> DSI or something
[11:01] <RITRedbeard> since the raspberry pi is the size of a credit card one can really recycle and reduce e-waste by getting cheap panel and backlight off ebay
[11:01] <RITRedbeard> I don't think so
[11:01] <RITRedbeard> DSI is its own thing
[11:01] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: but you don't care
[11:01] <Ben64> i mean i know it has DSI, but i'm not sure what it supports exactly
[11:02] <Syliss> yep!
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> Ben64, it might be a good question to ask
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> Gert is in charge of the hardware, correct?
[11:02] <Syliss> how much do you pay for your host tntexplosivesltd ?
[11:02] <Ben64> i couldn't find any definitive info on it
[11:02] <tntexplosivesltd> probab;y has been asked =D
[11:02] <Ben64> i keep hearing "maybe"
[11:02] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: iunno, $80/month
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> message board/email/PM em
[11:02] <Syliss> omg
[11:02] <Ben64> like iphone3/4 display will work... maybe
[11:02] <tntexplosivesltd> * year
[11:02] <Syliss> okay
[11:02] <Syliss> better
[11:02] <Syliss> bbl
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[11:03] <Ben64> nokia display will work... maybe
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[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, my site has a 500 error...
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> 10 points if you find it
[11:05] <tntexplosivesltd> hilight me if you do
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[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> night all
[11:10] <RITRedbeard> night-o!
[11:10] <drazyl> morning
[11:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
[11:18] <RITRedbeard> ugh
[11:18] <RITRedbeard> disk thrashin'
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[12:26] <Davespice> ell, the excitement is building in here today :)
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[12:28] <SpeedEvil> I'm so excited!
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy69qrJSDxs
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> This is how excited I am.
[12:29] <Davespice> oh my word
[12:29] <Davespice> that is like -on crack- excited haha :)
[12:30] <Davespice> I'm still waiting to get my code from Nokia <shrug>
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> ?
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[12:51] <Davespice> sorry was afk
[12:52] <Davespice> SpeedEvil, I am getting a sponsored device from Nokia which should mean I have a reserved Pi from the first batch
[12:52] <Davespice> Nokia will be sending out voucher codes to use in the Pi online shop
[12:52] <Davespice> more info here; http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program
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[13:03] <SpeedEvil> Ah
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[13:04] <Caver> hi
[13:05] <Caver> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/15/linux_salary_survey/ interesting ... shows learning some linux is no bad thing ...
[13:05] <Davespice> hi Caver
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[13:06] <Caver> :)
[13:08] <Davespice> interesting
[13:08] <Davespice> I'll be honest, I've always been an MS person up until last year
[13:08] <Davespice> and the Pi project made me want to learn Linux
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[13:09] <Davespice> so I've been playing with Ubuntu and Debian so far, and Fedora a little bit too
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:16] <Caver> good ... thats what it's all about
[13:17] <Ben64> hopefully linux can get the mainstream support it needs
[13:17] <Ben64> get big time games and applications developed for it, and then we'd have some good stuff
[13:17] <Caver> ?
[13:17] <Caver> oracle?
[13:18] <ReggieUK> Davespice, linux is fun, more fun when you have to hack stuff but the PI will still be goooood
[13:18] <Caver> linux has *huge* number of big time apps ... their just rather on the corperate side
[13:18] <ReggieUK> mainly it should mean that people can spend time on their junk instead of arsing around getting the kernel to play nice
[13:19] <Ben64> i mean like photoshop, and games
[13:19] <Caver> true .. it does give a nice base to work from .. as it's standard hardware
[13:19] <Caver> nods ... gaming is difficult at best
[13:19] <Ben64> imagine if skyrim was released on linux as well as windows
[13:19] <Caver> photoshop ... well ... can be done, but why not broaden out and see the other just as good graphical editors
[13:20] <Ben64> i don't like how microsoft has the market cornered
[13:20] <ReggieUK> what would happen Ben64?
[13:20] <Davespice> I really love Hedwars as a game. I also want to give Wesnoth a proper try
[13:20] <Caver> it's dead easy to look at linux and say why doesn't it look like windows
[13:20] <Ben64> ReggieUK: people would be free to use the OS that suits them
[13:20] <Davespice> Hedgewars even, worms clone :)
[13:20] <ReggieUK> but that's down to game manufacturers
[13:20] <Ben64> i know a LOT of people who won't switch because of games
[13:20] <ReggieUK> not microsoft
[13:20] <Ben64> sort of
[13:20] <ReggieUK> sucks to be them then
[13:20] <ReggieUK> they lose out
[13:20] <Ben64> more linux users means more development
[13:21] <ReggieUK> does it?
[13:21] <Ben64> more development means more users
[13:21] <ReggieUK> it's not like linux hasn't got a strong user base
[13:21] <Ben64> small though
[13:22] <Ben64> osx gets tons of support and they're only at 7%
[13:22] <Davespice> you can always multiboot though
[13:22] <Ben64> that gets annoying
[13:22] <Davespice> I'd always keep a copy of Windows around for games, Steam etc
[13:22] <Caver> whats the games market like for osx? I honestly don't know
[13:22] <Davespice> Steam works for OSX
[13:23] <Ben64> yeah that ^
[13:23] <Davespice> so I guess that allows delivery of quite a few games
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[13:23] <Ben64> linux version of steam seems stalled
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[13:25] <Aquilus> Davespice: You can get them, you just can't play them :p
[13:25] <Aquilus> There's very few mac games on steam.
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[13:25] <Davespice> I think Eve works
[13:26] <Ben64> http://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=mac&category1=998
[13:26] <Ben64> "showing 1 - 25 of 214 "
[13:26] <Caver> anyway ... there's a few, but not everything
[13:27] <Ben64> "showing 1 - 25 of 4386 "
[13:27] <Ben64> still, 214 isn't bad
[13:28] <Ben64> oh, i must have searched wrong for mac.... getting more now. "showing 1 - 25 of 452 "
[13:28] <Caver> ?
[13:28] <Ben64> nevermind, that includes trailers
[13:28] <Caver> well anyway ...
[13:29] <Ben64> 214 for osx, 1521 for windows
[13:30] <IT_Sean> BOOO! Down with windows.
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[13:31] <Ben64> down with directx!
[13:32] <Davespice> hehe :)
[13:32] <Davespice> I tell you one issue which bothers me. It's the accelerated X driver for the Pi.
[13:32] <Ben64> does it exist?
[13:32] <Davespice> for my Nokia project I want to write a desktop application
[13:32] <Davespice> not yet no
[13:33] <Davespice> they're hoping it will be made bby the community
[13:33] <Davespice> so the X driver is software only at the moment
[13:33] <Caver> no ... they are asking the community help write a x "DDX" that will convert Xlib commands to Open GL ES
[13:33] <Caver> which to be honest I don't think will be a huge job
[13:33] <Davespice> which means scrolling a web browser is like clickclickclickclickclickclick
[13:34] <Davespice> yeah I have a PDF by a guy from Samsung that describes how to write the driver if anyone wants a copy
[13:34] <Davespice> only two pages long mind you, no code examples which is a pittu
[13:34] <Davespice> pitty*
[13:34] <Ben64> nobody wants me to code, trust me
[13:36] <IT_Sean> heh
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[13:37] <drazyl> Davespice - you got a link to that doc?
[13:37] <Davespice> yeah but you can't get it unless you have an account on the site
[13:38] <Davespice> I'd have to email it to you
[13:38] <drazyl> be interested to take a look, even if it's beyond me
[13:38] <Davespice> here is the link anyway; http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5012187
[13:38] <Davespice> pm me your email address
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[13:41] <Davespice> I emailed the author to ask if he had any example code but never had a response
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[13:45] <Davespice> it is a little beyond me I have to say, that doc
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[13:47] <Caver> I think it will come fairly quickly once the hardware is released, to try and write one with out something to try it on will be tricky
[13:47] <drazyl> it's very much theory rather than practise
[13:48] <Caver> http://oss.sgi.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/projects/ogl-sample/main/gfx/lib/opengl/drivers/DDX/ as you can see the current open gl one, isn't exactly huge
[13:51] <drazyl> that's tiny
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[13:57] <Ben64> the gpu is pretty powerful. a good opengl es driver could be awesome
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[13:59] <Caver> yeah I think it can happen with out too much trouble
[13:59] <Caver> opengl es is a open standard
[13:59] <Ben64> really looking forward to getting rpi and messing around
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[14:00] <drazyl> just looked up the armv6 specs and happy to see it supports non-aligned memory access
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[14:06] <slaeshjag> :/
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[17:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-RJCAh7jMFQ <- awesome
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[18:40] <fossjon> hey everyone, is there a site containing the various needed boot files for the RPi ?
[18:40] <fossjon> even if its not the latest kernel
[18:40] <fossjon> just something to boot from initially with a fedora rootfs
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[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne2> not that I know of
[18:43] <fossjon> im just looking for an initial set of bootcode.bin, loader.bin, and start.elf files
[18:43] <fossjon> the company is shipping pre-made usb keys
[18:43] <fossjon> i just thought they would publish the same files online
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[18:50] <fossjon> btw, dont buy dr. pepper cherry, theres like no point, dr pepper regular is good enough
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[18:50] <fossjon> pepsi or coke cherry also tastes like dr pepper
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[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne2> you may hope that someone with an alpha board is willing and permitted to upload these files
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[18:53] <fossjon> hmm i see then
[18:53] <fossjon> :)
[18:53] <whoopi_g> fossjon, join the channel dr-pepper
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne2> and I wouldn't buy a dr pepper anyway >=/
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[18:56] <hotwings> pepsi != coke != dr.pepper
[18:56] <hotwings> i could pick cherry 7up over cherry any-of-those
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[19:04] <ukscone> my equilibreiam is completely off. fell down the stairs, fellupthe stairs and fell 3 times in the street trying to get off or up the curb
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[19:04] <traeak> don't start drinking so early in the day ?
[19:04] <ukscone> haven't had a drink in 6 weeks
[19:04] <ukscone> and even then it was just a kienikin
[19:05] <ukscone> heinikin even
[19:05] <traeak> sic ?
[19:06] <traeak> i'm half german and i won't touch heinekin (or whatever)
[19:06] <traeak> hehe
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[19:06] <ukscone> it was all that was in the store unless i wanted mexican beer so when needs must
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[19:07] <ukscone> ahhh all is good with the world -- cadbury creme egg 4 pack
[19:07] <hotwings> i havent drank since about ufc 132. and then it was a lot of fosters
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> what's wrong with mexican beer? corona>henikin anyway
[19:07] <fossjon> oh man i hate those cream eggs
[19:07] <traeak> the only beer that's better in germany now is the heffe weizen, here in the US the microbrews have IMHO surpassed anything else i've had
[19:07] <fossjon> with the white cream inside
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[19:07] <hotwings> ukscone those things are too sweet
[19:07] <ukscone> hotwings: just like me then :)
[19:08] <hotwings> like eating liquified sugar
[19:08] <traeak> ukscone: they probably destroyed your blood sugar
[19:08] <huene> what does american beer and sex in a boat have in common? - it's both fucking close to water :P
[19:08] <ukscone> huene: heh
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne2> lol
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[19:08] <traeak> micro brew is a totally different game guys.... and in CO it's top of the line stuff
[19:08] <traeak> i won't touch cleidsdale piss
[19:09] <ukscone> traeak: the only good thing to come out of colorado are the rockies
[19:09] <hotwings> 99% of microbrews are crap
[19:09] <hotwings> but the ones that are good, are really good
[19:10] <ukscone> i occasionally work with some people in colorado and they are bigger fauxhemians and hipsters than in park slope or williamsburg
[19:10] <fossjon> flying monkey beer is good
[19:11] <traeak> what are those?
[19:11] <traeak> and if they are people from boulder or from some of the mountain areas they are serious wierdos
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[19:12] <fossjon> flying monkey beer in canada man -- Normal is weird! http://theflyingmonkeys.ca/ :D
[19:12] <fossjon> its actually pretty good, i dont generally like dark/wheat beer tho
[19:12] <hotwings> hipsters lol
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[19:12] <fossjon> lol
[19:13] <fossjon> it has cute monkeys flying around carrying beer
[19:13] <traeak> i'm trying to figure out what those phrases mean
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[19:14] <fossjon> that site is the funniest site ive ever seen, it even has its beer distribution truck with wings flying around
[19:14] <fossjon> thats dedication
[19:14] <amaxm> how did raspi turned into cherry coke to monkey beer?
[19:14] <fossjon> /offtopic off
[19:15] <hotwings> hipsters are basically people who are content with minimum wage jobs (arts & crafts store clerk for example), live in packs, and frequent 2nd hand stores for hidden treasures (aka other peoples garbage)
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[19:16] <hotwings> fossjon - fat tire is well-liked around here
[19:16] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[19:17] <fossjon> :)
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[19:18] <amaxm> OMG! I just realized something! .... I am a hipster! ..... ummmm.... is that bad?
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[19:20] <hotwings> no its not bad
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[19:21] <hotwings> your kind if welcome here
[19:21] <hotwings> as long as you shower daily that is
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[19:21] <ukscone> :)
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[19:21] <ukscone> try asking now Thorn_ :)
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[19:35] <amaxm> .....welllll thats a tough bargain! .......... :D .... kidding!
[19:37] * amaxm passes the sniff test
[19:39] <KrimZon_2> why are you a hipster?
[19:40] <amaxm> apparently I fit the profile .... "the stereotypical profile"
[19:41] <traeak> amaxm: you from CO then ?
[19:44] <amaxm> lol ....nop .... I am from where all hipsters are born! Toronto ON!!! :D
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[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne3> ukscone, btw, I don't voice works the way you think it works
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> are we all voiced by default?
[19:57] <tntexplosivesltd> lol taking away voice only has effect if you change the channel mode
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne3> exactly
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne3> thorn is now the only one voiced
[19:58] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
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[19:58] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne3: yeah forgot that we didn't set upthe chan so that voice mattered
[19:58] <tntexplosivesltd> Thorn_: hi
[19:58] <Thorn_> hi
[19:59] <ukscone> but he didn't speak so all was good
[19:59] <ukscone> bloody scots git
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne3> heh
[19:59] <Thorn_> is it out yet
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[20:38] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[20:38] * traeak smacks Thorn_
[20:40] <Thorn_> are there usb gps modules?
[20:40] <rm> yes
[20:40] <Thorn_> i was thinking of putting a pi in a motorbike, and using it to store route information etc :D
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, that's my plan
[20:41] <Thorn_> :D
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> either USB, or control a gps module through GPIO
[20:41] <Thorn_> how far do you intend to go with it?
[20:42] <thone> $30 usb gps receiver module: http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-ND-100S-USB-GPS-Dongle/dp/accessories/B003WNHGAO
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> 3g,gps, webcam.... and then enjoy the possibilities.
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> would be nice to run it from the bike battery
[20:43] <Thorn_> would be nice to have more permanant storage from a gopro
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> would be nice to have a gopro >=/
[20:43] <traeak> almost seems more like you'd be hookign up an rpi to a gps module
[20:43] <traeak> gps module is expensive
[20:43] <Thorn_> gopro is pretty high up my must-buy list :D
[20:43] <thone> can't really find a usb gps module for less than $30 US
[20:44] <thone> unless you get a used one
[20:44] <traeak> for ~70USD+ it almost seems like you'd be better off just buying a handheld gps on sale
[20:44] <Thorn_> heh
[20:46] <thone> $30.98 including shipping: http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=205118000&sellerid=33527075
[20:46] <Thorn_> more expensive than i would have guessed
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Or I can feen the GPS location from my phone
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> *feed
[20:47] <traeak> bootoof
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[20:48] <thone> Android: Phone GPS --> share NMEA via bluetooth : http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/extgps_bylff.html
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/127
[20:48] <mkopack> Hey gag
[20:48] <mkopack> gang
[20:49] <Thorn_> o/
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[20:49] <mkopack> talking GPS I see?
[20:49] <mkopack> God, I'm so hoping we get some sort of status update soon.
[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8975 I like this one... the protocol seems pretty simple too
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[20:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: heh those are the ones I was looking at a while back
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[20:53] <thone> How hard would it be to use something like that on the raspberrypi?
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[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> thone, depends on your level of experience I suppose
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[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> though now that I think about it, my phone and a gopro would accomplish everything I'd want anyway, so maybe I should just buy a gopro instead.
[20:55] <thone> ok, I'll accept that. Now that you've been talking about a gps for your motorbike, I'm thinking it would be great to have one in my car, but a module like this seems out of my league
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[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> thone, safe to assume you won't be the only one, so someone will surely get it working
[20:56] <thone> Although if you do figure out how to do it let us know, I for one would love a tutorial.
[20:57] <mkopack> GPS for street or dirt bike?
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I intend to tutorialize pretty much everything I do once I get a pi.
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, street
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[20:58] <mkopack> I tried using the GPS on my iPhone to log the trails I was riding when I was doing dirt, but the problem is, I had to keep it packed in my CamelBack pack to keep it safe and that blocked the sat signals
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[20:58] <thone> Personally I would love a quad-band gprs module something like: http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/Modules-and-accessories/GSM-Modem/G30-Quad-Band-GPRS-Module-LGA-or-70-Pin-Connector.html
[20:58] <mkopack> Ah.. street is easier, but then, why not just buy a good handheld GPS or use the one on your phone.
[20:59] <thone> picture on that page makes the board look like it's half the size of that woman, funny stuff
[20:59] <mkopack> ( I busted my old Garmin when I had it in my tank bag on the way up to the mountains and forgot to zip the bag closed??? Felt something hit my stomach while zipping along at 80 MPH and looked down and saw the GPS fall out and hit the ground and smash into a bunch of pieces??? And then get run over by multiple cars.)
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> but perhaps usb>sata storage + a webcam + pi running off the battery would be great to log everything.... so if someone kills me on the road I'll have something to put on youtube.
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, ouch
[21:00] <mkopack> yeah, I was :(
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> something like that happened when I first got my GPS mount for the bike. Luckily it landed in my crotch, so the phone was fine
[21:02] <Plankalkuel> Maybe you should add a accelerometer and start the upload automatically. One you are dead you might have to much other things to sort out
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe
[21:04] <mkopack> I would love to make a data logger app for my iPhone, combining the GPS, compass, Gyro, and accel, for use when dirt biking??? Would make for interesting "telemetry" data
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[21:04] <mkopack> Of course, with grad school, I don't even have time to ride, let alone write software to use when riding
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[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure something like that already exists
[21:05] <mkopack> probably
[21:05] <mkopack> Still gotta find some time to do the software for my competition robot
[21:05] <mkopack> But at leas tI have until October for that
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[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone know if a gopro can be used and charged at the same time?
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[21:08] <mkopack> Dunno
[21:09] <mkopack> Glad you're going with the GoPro though??? I got one of those Contour ones (1st gen) and it is horrible.
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> The video quality looks pretty similar
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the battery life like on a contour?
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[21:10] <mkopack> Well, I had the original model, and it was only like ~ 2 hours
[21:10] <mkopack> But I couldn't use more than a 2GB microSD card, which would fill up in < 1Hr
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[21:10] <mkopack> I got it when Amazon was running a deal to get the camera + battery and helmet strap mount for like $130
[21:10] <tntexplosivesltd> MystX: 09:05 < ShiftPlusOne> anyone know if a gopro can be used and charged at the same time?
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah 2gb is nowhere near enough
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[21:12] <mkopack> the newer models should be better
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, they'd have to be =/
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[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> but damn... $300 for a gopro =/
[21:12] <mkopack> When I also didn't like about the contour is that there's no display or anything - just a light or two on the back??? nothing to really let you know that it's actually recording (other than a beep, which good luck hearing when you have a motor running)
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[21:13] <mkopack> the go-pro isn't as sleek, but I believe they work a LOT better and are more user friendly
[21:14] <tntexplosivesltd> mkopack: the newer gopro has a red light =D
[21:14] <mkopack> Well, the go pro has a screen with indicators on the back...
[21:14] <tntexplosivesltd> for when it's recording
[21:14] <mkopack> The contours have NOTHING
[21:14] <tntexplosivesltd> ah lol
[21:14] <mkopack> plus the mic on mine is blown out, so all you here is wind noise when I'm riding
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> so there's no screen to see what it's actually recording on the gopro?
[21:15] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[21:15] <mkopack> There IS on the go pro, not on the contours
[21:15] <tntexplosivesltd> there's no proper LCD screen, but that just wstes power
[21:15] <tntexplosivesltd> * wastes
[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> conflicting answers O_O
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> so what do you mean by screen?
[21:16] <mkopack> Oh, hmm??? I always thought the gpPros had a video screen on the back to view the movie on??? Guess not
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> a screen showing what it's actually capturing
[21:16] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[21:16] <mkopack> But there's a LOT more indications of WTF it's doing on the go pro than the Contours have
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> there's a small B/W LCD in the front
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, you've got one?
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> no, MystX does
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> but he must be in a meeting od something =/
[21:17] <tntexplosivesltd> * or
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[21:18] <mkopack> but, yeah, those are basically your 2 big choices - Go Pro or Contour
[21:18] <mkopack> I'd suggest checking them both out and comparison shop
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[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure if it's the smartest thing to buy right now though. probably shouldn't just yet
[21:20] <mkopack> What's annoying is that every year they come out with a new model that is just THAT much better that you wish you had waited
[21:21] <tntexplosivesltd> who?
[21:21] <tntexplosivesltd> gopro?
[21:21] <mkopack> both of them honestly
[21:22] <mkopack> Initial model, then a year later, the + model, then the HD model (720), then the 1080 HD model, then the GPS integrated model, etc.
[21:23] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> do they have external mic input?
[21:23] <mkopack> Don't think so
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[21:23] <mkopack> Honestly, on a bike you're not going to hear anything other than engine, and wind
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[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah there is
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> on the gopro anyway
[21:24] <mkopack> ah
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> and the idea would be to stick a mic inside the helmet
[21:24] <mkopack> I just wish the go-pro wasn't so boxy / ugly...
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, who cares
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think it's really much of a fashion statement
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> (no matter how it looks)
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[21:25] <tntexplosivesltd> I see more people with a gopro
[21:25] <tntexplosivesltd> people with them in their stock cars etc
[21:26] <mkopack> yeah
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, motovloggers seem to go for the gopro as well
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> apart from the people who just shove a standard camera inside their helmets and block off 80% of what they can see.
[21:27] <tntexplosivesltd> (talking about proper dirt stock cars btw)
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> and if they crash, it's likely the camera may do some damage to the nose, so I'll pass on that.
[21:27] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... the gopro has an hdmi port =/
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and... a battery warmer O_o
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> just out of interest, what's a stock car to you guys?
[21:32] <mkopack> hehe??? NASCAR :)
[21:32] <mkopack> Which THANK GOD starts back up in 2 days...
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> booooooooring =D
[21:32] <mkopack> Need to hear some RPM again
[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=stock+cars&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=PWY9T_njKavKmAWthZXKBw&biw=1438&bih=789&sei=qmY9T_PSNoGPmQWRhrnRBw#um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=nz+stock+cars&pbx=1&oq=nz+stock+cars&aq=f&aqi=g1g-S1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=46578l47644l0l47882l5l5l0l0l0l2l285l1120l0.1.4l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7e834037acd6a8d5&biw=1438&bih=7
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[21:32] <tntexplosivesltd> =|
[21:33] <mkopack> Hey, it's called, excuse to take a nap on a Sunday afternoon :)
[21:33] <tntexplosivesltd> fuck you google
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> whatever it is jerri ellsworth works on.
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[21:33] <mkopack> Ah, so sprints and qtr midgets?
[21:33] <tntexplosivesltd> well no, sprints are seperate
[21:34] <mkopack> Eh, as long as it has an engine and goes fast, I'm happy
[21:35] <mkopack> Indy, F1 (although god, how about a little PASSING????), MotoGP, World Superbike, Supercross, NASCAR, American LeMans, Rolex sport car series, etc.
[21:35] <tntexplosivesltd> we have saloon, super saloon, stocks, modified, sprints, minisprints, super stocks, street stocks, production saloons, ministocks
[21:35] <mkopack> You're in the UK, aren't you? :)
[21:35] <tntexplosivesltd> nope
[21:35] <tntexplosivesltd> NZ
[21:35] <tntexplosivesltd> like those pics
[21:35] <mkopack> Oh???. Ah, there we go.. that explains it :)
[21:35] <mkopack> We don't' refer to them as "saloons" here in the states :)
[21:36] <tntexplosivesltd> what are they?
[21:36] <mkopack> and what? you hating on Marose Ambrose for coming to NASCAR?
[21:36] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
[21:36] <mkopack> (although I have to say, that V8 super car series you guys have down there looks AWESOME)
[21:36] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[21:36] <mkopack> Saloons are sedans here
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> these http://i51.tinypic.com/2yty2wg.jpg
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> that's a saloon car
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> you call them sedans?
[21:37] <mkopack> Based on a sedan model, yes.
[21:37] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[21:37] <traeak> tntexplosivesltd: looks ripe for demolition derby
[21:37] <mkopack> This is going to be weird because the models are all different in different countries...
[21:38] <tntexplosivesltd> traeak: well saloons are non-contact
[21:38] <mkopack> Something like a Ford Taurus is considered a Sedan
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[21:38] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[21:38] <mkopack> Wehre as a Mustang is a sport coupe
[21:39] <tntexplosivesltd> "saloons" here in terms of stock car racing is very well-defined
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[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> though usually they're based on american cars like the chevy or whatever
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[21:40] <mkopack> I just figured you meant like the british "saloon" which is what they refer to as a sedan
[21:40] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[21:41] <tntexplosivesltd> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/nissanboy/speedway2/2009-2010%20season/saloon-6336.jpg
[21:41] <tntexplosivesltd> they normally have massive V8s in them, thought I have seen a few rotaries
[21:41] <mkopack> Ah, see we have series like that here???
[21:42] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[21:42] <mkopack> Yeah, unfortunately, now that Mazda has canned the RX-8, I don't think the rotaries are going to be around much longer
[21:42] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[21:42] <tntexplosivesltd> so what do you call saloons?
[21:43] <mkopack> Dunno, I don't usually follow those series??? the dirt track stuff tends to be more regional/local here in the states.
[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah same here
[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> but it's damn popular
[21:43] <tntexplosivesltd> <3 living ~20 mins from the speedway
[21:43] <mkopack> The small dirt tracks here are dieing badly
[21:44] <tntexplosivesltd> lol, we're small enough that pretty much evert major centre has one
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[21:44] <mkopack> Too often towns go and zone housing developments near race tracks, and then the homeowners bitch about the noise (never mind that the track was there long before your house and you CHOSE to move in there???) and they get the towns to put noise restrictions and limit operating hours and that effectively kills the tracks
[21:44] <mkopack> They're going out of business left and right here
[21:45] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
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[21:45] <tntexplosivesltd> I think we just like them more =D
[21:45] <mkopack> they have to limit their operations so much that the fans don't find it really interesting, so it keeps them from attending
[21:45] <mkopack> don't even get me started about motorcycle racing here...
[21:46] <tntexplosivesltd> should come over here and see a real race meet =P
[21:46] <mkopack> It's like pulling teeth to even get TV coverage, and if you get it here, it's on at odd hours...
[21:46] <mkopack> And good luck getting the local sports bar to tune into it.
[21:46] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[21:47] <mkopack> wish I wasn't so up to my ears in grad school right now. I miss going down to Daytona for the AMA races???
[21:47] <mkopack> Actually got to be part of a pit crew one year (fireman)
[21:47] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[21:47] <traeak> ahh so rx8 was rotary....not enough advantage to overcome the maintenance issues ?
[21:48] <mkopack> Nothing quite like standing on pit wall next to MotoGP World Champ Kevin Schwantz
[21:48] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, too bad I'm moving away for uni
[21:48] <tntexplosivesltd> owait there's a speedway 10 mins from where we live
[21:48] <tntexplosivesltd> never mind...
[21:48] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[21:49] <tntexplosivesltd> and it's better than the one here
[21:50] <tntexplosivesltd> OH OOH OOH OOH
[21:50] <tntexplosivesltd> AND
[21:51] <tntexplosivesltd> they run bikes at the dirt speedway
[21:51] <tntexplosivesltd> sometimes with side cars
[21:51] <mkopack> he
[21:51] <mkopack> heh
[21:52] <tntexplosivesltd> totally forgot about that =D
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[21:59] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne2: About the gopro charging/usage
[21:59] <MystX> Yes, with a firmware update
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[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, ah thanks for that. That's HD Hero2, yeah?
[22:05] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, and also, the battery lasts the advertised 2 hours at least?
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[22:09] <Davespice> guys o/ quick one...
[22:09] <Davespice> just going to see if I can tap into the vast bredth of knowledge sitting on this channel right now :)
[22:10] <Davespice> okay, I want to record a video of some software being used that has a lot of keyboard short cuts, so I want to have some kind of way of displaying the keyboard layout on screen and showing which keys are being pressed
[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne2> windows?
[22:10] <Davespice> I had a look at on-screen keyboard for windows, but that doesn't hilight it when you press the keys of the physical keyboard
[22:11] <Davespice> preferably windows, but Linux is cool too
[22:11] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne2: http://gopro.com/hd-hero-accessories/lcd-bacpac/
[22:11] <tntexplosivesltd> so you can get an LCD
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[22:11] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne2: I dont know, i have a version 1. But yeah the battery lasts pretty long
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, thanks again
[22:11] <MystX> np
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne2> tntexplosivesltd, ah, that's pretty neat
[22:12] <tntexplosivesltd> it has quite a nice backpack add-on system
[22:12] <tntexplosivesltd> the gopro
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne2> Davespice, I'll try to find something. Worst case scenario you can just use a keylogger and display what's being pressed in text
[22:14] <Davespice> yeah was thinking that, although having an on-screen keyboard layout would be really nice, make the video really intuitive
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne2> Davespice, http://www.romeosa.com/osdHotkey/help.html
[22:14] <Davespice> it seems I don't have enough google-foo for this
[22:14] <mkopack> Dave: Splitscreen the video? 1 camera showing the keyboard, 1 showing the screen...
[22:14] <MystX> Oh man, im in that mood where you bop your head to awesome music and code up a storm
[22:14] <mkopack> superimpose the keyboard video with the screen video, time synced
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[22:15] <Davespice> that's not a bad idea actually...
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[22:16] <mkopack> that way you can fade in and out the keyboard video as needed
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[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne2> Davespice, http://www.comfort-software.com/on-screen-keyboard.html this one displays what's pressed
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[22:23] <Davespice> ahh
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne2> Davespice, not working on blender tutorials, are you?
[22:25] <Davespice> haha no :)
[22:25] <Davespice> Schism Tracker
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah
[22:28] <Davespice> I'm terrible at music
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[22:29] <Davespice> although I can do precussion quite well, melodies however require actual musical talent, of which I have none :)
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[22:32] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[22:33] * hamitron looks all embarrassed
[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne2> hamitron, what did you do now?
[22:33] <hamitron> haha
[22:34] <hamitron> I've learnt not to admit to stupid mistakes
[22:34] <hamitron> ;)
[22:34] <mkopack> ok, later guys
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[22:34] <Syliss> i havent!
[22:34] <hamitron> :))
[22:34] <Syliss> haha
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne2> lol
[22:35] <hamitron> it is kinda fun when you start to understand more complex things
[22:35] <hamitron> then mess up on the basics
[22:35] <hamitron> :D
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[22:37] <tntexplosivesltd> Syliss: wb
[22:37] <tntexplosivesltd> mchou: ohai
[22:37] <Syliss> thx
[22:38] <hamitron> now to decide if I bid on a n900
[22:38] <hamitron> :/
[22:38] <Syliss> was telling my friend about the rpi today
[22:38] <haltdef> n900 <3
[22:38] <haltdef> cracked a WEP network at work with it today
[22:38] <Syliss> he was impressed
[22:39] <mchou> pfft
[22:39] <Syliss> i need to do that to the networks around me
[22:39] <Syliss> i need to hobble around scan the networks around me again
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne2> The neighbours have an open unencrypted network anyway
[22:40] <haltdef> that's just no fun
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> (and no, that's not why I keep dropping out every 5 minutes)
[22:40] <mrdragons> Is that why... Oh.
[22:40] <mchou> I don't know where you guys plan on doing it, but unauthorized access of networks is a crime in most places
[22:40] <hamitron> haltdef, so you have one and like it?
[22:40] <Thorn_> mchou: not on mars
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> oh dear.... not a crime O_O
[22:40] <mchou> punishable offense
[22:40] <mrdragons> Who cares?
[22:40] <haltdef> I do
[22:41] <mchou> it won't be so funny if someone decides to bring you up on charges
[22:41] <haltdef> make sure you use the community SSU, nokia have killed maemo but the community are still giving it updates
[22:41] <Thorn_> mchou: take the stick out your ass
[22:41] <mrdragons> I mean, who's actually enough of an idiot to get caught cracking WEP?
[22:41] <mchou> Thorn_: suit yourself
[22:41] <haltdef> I don't even plan on using the networks I get into for anything :P
[22:41] <hamitron> haltdef, I really fancy a device that I can poke with the OS
[22:41] <Thorn_> mchou: terrible pun
[22:41] <haltdef> just want to see if I can
[22:41] <hamitron> hehe
[22:42] <haltdef> yea, X terminal is available out of the box
[22:42] <mchou> mrdragons: it's remarkably easy to get caught
[22:42] <hamitron> haltdef, would there be any risk on rolling ya own "distro" for it (or attempting to)
[22:42] <mrdragons> How so?
[22:43] <haltdef> if you install u-boot you can configure it to boot off the sd card as well as an option for maemo I believe
[22:43] <mchou> mrdragons: if you need to ask, and cant afford to do the time, don't do the crime
[22:43] <haltdef> do your distro rolling on that rather than the eMMC
[22:43] <traeak> haltdef: script kiddie much ? :-p
[22:43] <haltdef> ?
[22:43] <traeak> hacking WEP
[22:43] <mchou> perfectly fine to crack you own wep don't try it one someone elses
[22:44] <mrdragons> mchou: ...That didn't explain how they would catch you
[22:44] <hamitron> haltdef, that sounds perfect
[22:44] <mchou> mrdragons: I'm not here to explain
[22:44] <haltdef> I'm not sure how well non-maemo linux would work though
[22:44] <mrdragons> You're sniffing packets broadcasted everywhere; you never have to connect to the network to crack wep
[22:44] <haltdef> similar SoC to the beagleboard, might be handy
[22:45] <hamitron> I read the kernel was all free
[22:45] <haltdef> mrdragons, you have to inject to do it in areasonable timeframe
[22:45] <mchou> mrdragons: you're one of the same fool guys who didn't know anthing about licensing when that discussion came up
[22:45] <haltdef> my other phone is a cheapo ARM11 android phone anyway :P
[22:45] <haltdef> n900 wins
[22:46] <mrdragons> Licensing discussion?
[22:46] <mchou> mrdragons: not here to work on your chity brain
[22:46] <mchou> charity*
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne2> mchou, bad day?
[22:46] <mchou> ShiftPlusOne2: nope
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah ok
[22:46] <tntexplosivesltd> mchou: look, if you're here to try and argue with people, go away
[22:46] <tntexplosivesltd> you do this every time
[22:46] <mchou> just surprise at the amount of fools here
[22:46] <mchou> surprised*
[22:47] <haltdef> so guys, this time next week
[22:47] <mrdragons> ...You still haven't said how it's easy to get caught cracking wep.
[22:47] <haltdef> maybe our pis will be on their way to us? :>
[22:47] <tntexplosivesltd> hopefully =D
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne2> mrdragons, sure, but he said he won't tell you anyway.
[22:48] <MystX> Its pretty easy to NOT get caught..
[22:48] <mrdragons> haltdef: But you never have to connect to the network if it's active enough
[22:48] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah...
[22:48] <haltdef> it'll never be active enough
[22:48] <MystX> I dunno, unless someone backtraces your ip
[22:49] <tntexplosivesltd> which is dynamic
[22:49] <mrdragons> It's on a local network, the only real worry about connecting is your MAC address, which is easily spoofed
[22:49] <tntexplosivesltd> so you'd have to be caught in the act
[22:49] <tntexplosivesltd> mrdragons: oh yeahm you always spoof first
[22:49] <tntexplosivesltd> and generally if they're using WEP, they aren't smart enough to catch you
[22:50] <haltdef> the AP at work was a BT homehub 2
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[22:51] <haltdef> they *default* to WPA2-AES, owner changed to WEP :P
[22:51] <mrdragons> 0_o
[22:51] <tntexplosivesltd> =|
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne2> smart
[22:51] <haltdef> legacy devices mebbe
[22:51] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah my thoughts too
[22:51] <haltdef> if it doesn't support WPA2-AES, it doesn't come on my wlan
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[22:52] <haltdef> all there is to it :P
[22:52] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[22:52] <tntexplosivesltd> I bet mchou is from america. "LOOK EVERYONE, I KNOW STUFF!"
[22:52] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne2> tntexplosivesltd, come on, the yanks aren't THAT bad.
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[22:55] <tntexplosivesltd> yeahm you're right
[22:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I am making a hige stereotype
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[22:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * huge
[22:55] <tntexplosivesltd> though I am comparing to us Kiwis
[22:56] <MystX> We like to make no noise as to not draw attention =)
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[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> Well that and you're always too high to know what's going on, I suppose.
[23:01] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, mchou is from richardson, texas?
[23:01] <MystX> Im always too high
[23:01] <MystX> On.. sheep
[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> Well, since New Zealanders smoke the most weed out of any first world country.
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[23:05] <haltdef> wait
[23:05] <haltdef> new zealand is a first world country?
[23:05] <tntexplosivesltd> yeahp
[23:05] <tntexplosivesltd> cool, eh?
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[23:06] <MystX> haltdef: /officially/, yes
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[23:06] <haltdef> ah
[23:07] <MystX> In reality, we only have 20 odd cars in the country..
[23:07] <MystX> That's what our technology is like
[23:07] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, I wonder of this is the same mchou
[23:07] <tntexplosivesltd> https://twitter.com/#!/mchou
[23:07] <tntexplosivesltd> sure does tweet a lot
[23:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> tntexplosivesltd, stop stalking the guy
[23:08] <tntexplosivesltd> about nothing...
[23:08] <MystX> Yeah its pretty creepy
[23:08] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne2: =D
[23:08] <MystX> Is this they guy who said you site was shit?
[23:08] <MystX> your*
[23:08] <tntexplosivesltd> nah lol
[23:08] <MystX> Oh.
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[23:08] <tntexplosivesltd> it's Mr McArgueWithEveryoneForHours
[23:09] <MystX> haltdef: Me and tnt actually only have internet at work.. Its kind of sad
[23:09] <tntexplosivesltd> wait it can't be, mchou hates twitter
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[23:09] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, back to the researching
[23:09] <mrdragons> Oooh yeah, he's the same dude that was ranting about how he refused to use twitter for no reason
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[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> teah
[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> * yeah
[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> so that can't be him
[23:10] <tntexplosivesltd> surely...
[23:10] <mrdragons> I have to remember to add him to my ignore list some time
[23:11] <tntexplosivesltd> but then the arguments he pointlessly has would not make sense
[23:11] <tntexplosivesltd> owait,,,
[23:11] <tntexplosivesltd> * ...
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[23:13] <haltdef> I don't see why people hate on twitter so much
[23:13] <haltdef> yes, people talk nonsense
[23:14] <haltdef> solution: don't follow those people
[23:14] <Syliss> i like twitter
[23:14] <haltdef> plenty of people who don't talk nonsense on it :P
[23:14] <Syliss> i get free stuff from it
[23:14] <haltdef> you don't have to tweet yourself either, I just follow
[23:14] <traeak> free stuff? like what ?
[23:14] <MystX> Where's sightlight these days?
[23:15] <tntexplosivesltd> he killed himself by electrocution
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, probably got discouraged by all of us jerks.
[23:15] <MystX> Haha
[23:15] <MystX> You jerks*
[23:15] <MystX> Not including me
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne2> I am sure I've seen you say inapproporiate things about his mother
[23:20] <MystX> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224322/SSDs_have_a_bleak_future_researchers_say
[23:20] <MystX> =(
[23:20] <haltdef> silly article
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[23:21] <haltdef> impossible to rule out a breakthrough between now and 6.5nm :P
[23:21] <traeak> well didn't ibm or someone come up with using a laser to write to magnetic disk, giving some ridiculous speedup for writes
[23:22] <traeak> they didn't say how they were goin got read the data back though ...
[23:22] <haltdef> tbh I can't see NAND shrinking to that point without one if it really would be that dire
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> yeah, not a very good article... well good, but a bit misleading.
[23:22] <haltdef> it'd still be relying on moving parts wouldn't it
[23:23] <haltdef> same pathetic random throughput as regular spinners :P
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[23:24] <mrdragons> It's also impossible for a hard drive to have 1 terabyte, especially for consumers
[23:24] <mrdragons> By the time that happens we'll likely have a much better method of storage
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[23:25] <MystX> Wat..
[23:25] <piofcube> Whatever happened to those crystal cubes we were all going to use to store millions of TB on? ;-)
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne2> More importantly, what happened to the grains of sand we were going to store data on?
[23:26] <MystX> Got sold for cheap to carnivals
[23:26] <haltdef> wasn't some nutter in here talking about storing stuff in grains of sand?
[23:26] <MystX> The crystals
[23:26] <mrdragons> Jaseman, yeah. XD
[23:27] <MystX> Grains of sand is a relatively low-density storage medium by todays standards
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne2> ..... =/
[23:28] <piofcube> Or that other thing that was on Tomorrows World many moons ago that was going to use DNA technology to store data HAHAHA
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne2> yeah, THAT'S the problem with it
[23:28] <MystX> Youd need a billion grains of sand for a TB. Thats quite a lot of sand..
[23:28] <mrdragons> DNA to store data would be awesome. :P
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne2> piofcube, wouldn't rule it out... biology and computers have got to come together sooner or later.
[23:29] <piofcube> I still remember the peice they had about CDs... they scratched them, pour syrup on them... no-one realised they were doing all the stuff to the wrong side of the disc ROTFLMA
[23:29] <mrdragons> lol
[23:29] <mrdragons> ROTFLMA?
[23:30] <piofcube> +O
[23:30] <MystX> A TB of dry sand would weight ~670kg
[23:31] <MystX> weigh*
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[23:31] <mrdragons> How exactly would you be able to index that efficiently?
[23:32] <MystX> Wait i got it wrong
[23:32] <MystX> you need a trillion sand grains for 1TB
[23:33] <mrdragons> Hey was talking about each grain being "indexed", and all the grains would be randomly ordered; it would take hours to read a kilobyte
[23:33] <mrdragons> If not days, months, years
[23:33] <MystX> That'd take up roughly 1700 m^3
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne2> mrdragons, that's exactly the closed minded, short term thinking which block innovation >=/
[23:34] <mrdragons> I know. :(
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[23:35] <MystX> In a layer 1mm thick, they'd take up 17000 m^2
[23:35] <MystX> ish
[23:35] <MystX> Thats a large HDD
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[23:35] <MystX> Yeah, im at work..
[23:36] <mrdragons> Well what if we crushed up the sand really small
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne2> I'd imagine the device which actually reads the data would be more of a rube goldberg machine than an actual disk.
[23:37] <MystX> I love them =D
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[23:37] <mrdragons> A rube goldberg computer, huh...
[23:37] <victhor> you mean x86?
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> heh
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[23:38] <piofcube> www.youtube.com/watch?v=vix6TMnj9vY the funniest thing is the comments near the end saying that the home office won't allow mobile phone frequencies will not be made available to the public.
[23:38] <piofcube> will not/to
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> piofcube, that's amazing. When can I get one?
[23:41] <piofcube> ShiftPlusOne2: Ohh... in a few years I guess
[23:41] <mrdragons> Aw, man. Are they taking preorders?
[23:42] <piofcube> Rotary dial and no need to go through the operator... WOW
[23:43] <piofcube> texting might wear out your finger though
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne2> I like how old tv shows don't dumb everything down as much as modern ones.
[23:44] <mrdragons> Yeah... :\
[23:44] <piofcube> I wonder if Amazon have any of those suits left
[23:46] <Aquilus> Is it out yet?
[23:46] <Aquilus> Huh, what happened to the bot?
[23:46] <piofcube> I think it came out in 1979
[23:47] <FireFly> Is it in yet?
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[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, any major complaints about the gopro? I am about to buy one. =/
[23:52] <MystX> Uhm..
[23:52] <victhor> GoPro has terrible image quality :(
[23:52] <MystX> Its pretty good for me..
[23:53] <MystX> victhor: what makes you say that?
[23:53] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne2: 2 things.
[23:53] <victhor> at least the footage I've seen isn't that good.
[23:53] <MystX> 1. Doesnt work well in low light.
[23:53] <MystX> 2. Consider the fish-eye ness of the lense before buying
[23:53] <Thorn_> victhor: gopro footage is exceptional tbh
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[23:54] <MystX> 3. You will need to buy a new lens to get perfect underwater footage
[23:54] <Thorn_> MystX: the fov is fully adjustable for the lens
[23:54] <MystX> THe third was a bonus
[23:54] <MystX> Thorn_: from where?
[23:54] <victhor> the nice thing about it is the suction cup mount.
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne2> Well, I don't plan to ride my bike indoors or underwater, so those things shouldn't be a problem
[23:54] <Thorn_> you can adjust fov from smth like 60 deg to 120deg
[23:54] <victhor> I've been through many situations where one would be useful
[23:55] <MystX> Thorn_: on the old ones too?
[23:55] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne2: there's various motorbike gopro videos on youtube, check em out (and they look great)
[23:55] <Thorn_> MystX: well im only really talking about the hd hero
[23:55] <Thorn_> anything cheaper than the hd hero range and it's going to be mediocre anyway, regardless of who it's from
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne2> Thorn_, I know, I am subscribed to many gopro owners
[23:56] <MystX> Reading the site, the HD hero cant be adjusted
[23:56] <Thorn_> the hero can most definitely be adjusted
[23:56] <MystX> 127 degrees for 1080p, 170 degrees for everyhting else
[23:56] <MystX> Thorn_: http://gopro.com/support/faq-hd-hero/#no-zoom
[23:57] <Thorn_> that's _upto_ 170 degrees
[23:57] <Thorn_> fixed 170 degrees would be quite hilarious
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne2> argh... damn amazon won't ship to australia
[23:57] <IT_Sean> they won't?
[23:57] <MystX> Thorn_: you're thinking of the HD Hero 2
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> they ship some things, but rarely things I need.
[23:59] <MystX> tntexplosivesltd: lunch time?
[23:59] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne2: I dont think you'll regret buying one
[23:59] <MystX> I kinda want a HD Hero 2..
[23:59] <Thorn_> hmm seems you're right
[23:59] <Thorn_> the fov on the hd hero 1 is retarded

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