#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-17

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[0:00] <MystX> fixed*
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> Doesn't look like I will be buying one. It's another $50 to ship here.
[0:00] <MystX> Buy from aus?
[0:00] <zutesmog1> Have you tried http://www.priceusa.com.au/
[0:00] <Thorn_> in any case, if you're going to spend the money on the hd hero you'd be stupid not to get the hero 2 now anyway :P
[0:00] <MystX> Thorn_: yeah. I already have a Hero 1 though =)
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> zutesmog1, looks like a scam site O_o
[0:01] <zutesmog1> It isn't - I bought a Neato XV-11 from the US via them, when no one would sell to Australia
[0:02] <Thorn_> i bought a space shuttle from them
[0:02] <Thorn_> nobody would ship it pre assembled to new zealand!
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne2> jesus... $84.95 shipping if buying directly from their site
[0:02] <zutesmog1> that would cost a lot to ship
[0:02] <MystX> Thorn_: you live in NZ?
[0:03] <Thorn_> ew no
[0:03] <MystX> lol
[0:03] <MystX> =(
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[0:03] <Thorn_> poor sheep
[0:03] * Thorn_ runs
[0:04] <MystX> ???_???
[0:05] <MystX> tempted to point you all to /r/nzgonewild
[0:06] <FireFly> ,_,
[0:06] <hamitron> outbid by ?1 on the n900 :/
[0:06] * hamitron facedesks
[0:06] <FireFly> That's too bad
[0:06] <FireFly> What did it go for?
[0:06] <hamitron> ?126
[0:06] <FireFly> That's a pretty good price
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> hamitron, n900 is still a good buy?
[0:07] <FireFly> But then again that phone's rather old nowadays
[0:07] <MystX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PXYjgHC_Ycw
[0:07] <hamitron> I want one
[0:07] <hamitron> :/
[0:07] <hamitron> looks more fun device than other phones
[0:07] <FireFly> I want mine back.. the USB connector broke :\
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, and that's where I am from =/
[0:07] <hamitron> I've read the usb bug can be fixed
[0:07] <FireFly> It was still under warranty, so I'm getting it repaired
[0:08] <FireFly> s/was/is/
[0:08] <hamitron> nice
[0:08] <hamitron> :)
[0:08] <FireFly> Yep
[0:08] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne2: lol
[0:08] <hamitron> I really want one in mint condition tbh
[0:08] <MystX> lunch time afk
[0:08] <hamitron> but may accept good condition for a lower price
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne2> MystX, a bit of a rip off too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6X4X3vj5B8 still funny though
[0:09] <hamitron> I tend to be the sort of person who likes everything in perfect condition, and keeps them that way :)
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[0:50] <mrdragons> Are it out yet?
[0:50] <MystX> Yup
[0:50] * mrdragons slaps MystX with a frying pan
[0:51] <MystX> Yeh
[0:51] <MystX> hey*
[0:51] <MystX> My brain went backwards there for a bit
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[0:52] <mrdragons> ,puY emas gniht sneppah ot em .semitemos
[0:53] <MystX> ..
[0:53] <MystX> That took you way too long
[0:53] <mrdragons> Nope
[0:54] <MystX> epon
[0:54] <MystX> nope.avi
[0:54] <MystX> Wait my bot isnt here >_>
[0:54] <mrdragons> http://pastebin.com/Y2dkh53h
[0:54] <mrdragons> :P
[0:55] <MystX> it links people who say nope.avi to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
[0:57] <traeak> mrdragons: ouch
[0:57] <traeak> http://ideone.com
[0:57] <mrdragons> Que?
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[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne3> hmm... drift seems to be another good helmet cam
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[1:12] <RITRedbeard> helmet cam?
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[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne3> a camera you can put on your helmet
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[1:19] <RITRedbeard> ShiftPlusOne3, link?
[1:19] <RITRedbeard> next time I go biking in colorado might be interesting
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[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne3> RITRedbeard, GoPro Hero2, Contour HD and Drift any of them will do, just google the names.
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> No. :|
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne3> here's drift though
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne3> http://driftinnovation.com/hd170-stealth-camera/
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> Do it for me.
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> Which one is the most affordable/1080?
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> I don't want panoramic video
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[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, I haven't compared them by price yet
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[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> drift seems to be the cheapest
[1:25] <RITRedbeard> but isn't it shooting in panoramic?
[1:25] <RITRedbeard> :\
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean wide angle?
[1:26] <RITRedbeard> I guess
[1:26] <RITRedbeard> I thought it shot in 360 degree
[1:26] <RITRedbeard> by aiming at a parabolic dish
[1:26] <MystX> ShiftPlusOne: remember that 1080p is nt the same for every camera
[1:26] <RITRedbeard> the center of a parabolic dish
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> MystX, yeah, video quality seems to be a little worse, but still good. The audio on the other hand is much better.
[1:27] <RITRedbeard> I was impressed with the microsoft lifecams in certain modes under linux
[1:27] <MystX> Huh
[1:27] <MystX> I thin the gopro audio is good if you take it out of the case =P
[1:27] <RITRedbeard> I forget the name of the mode, but there is a japanese guy on youtube who has beautiful footage with a lifecam in his car/dash
[1:27] <MystX> think*
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> MystX, nuh, I'd like to record inside of the helmet.
[1:28] <Syliss> i wonder if android will run well on pi
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[1:29] <hamitron> no
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> hope not
[1:29] <Syliss> kk
[1:29] <hamitron> single core cpu, slow clock
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> low ram
[1:29] <Syliss> maybe 2.3?
[1:29] <hamitron> and old
[1:29] <Syliss> lol or 1.6?
[1:29] <Syliss> haha
[1:29] <hamitron> I'd aim for 1.6
[1:29] <hamitron> haha
[1:29] <hamitron> or just be normal, and use a proper OS
[1:29] <hamitron> ;/
[1:29] <Syliss> I'm not normal tho
[1:30] <hamitron> someone quote that \o/
[1:30] <RITRedbeard> Android?
[1:30] <RITRedbeard> Android?
[1:30] <MystX> My phone is 520Mhz and runs 2.3 =P
[1:30] <MystX> Not very well.. but still
[1:30] <Syliss> what model MystX ?
[1:30] <MystX> HTC Wildfire
[1:30] <RITRedbeard> This is my reaction to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFERPDn3i0o
[1:30] <hamitron> now increase the resolution of everything you run
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> Huh? Android?
[1:31] <hamitron> along with how much you expect to run
[1:31] <traeak> woah huh ?
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> Bitch, who said anything about Android, you making phone calls?
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> RUN! RUN!
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> I'm going to get my first tattoo.
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> Debian: Ride or Die
[1:32] <MystX> RITRedbeard: Im going up to my flat tomorrow morning to get everyhting out of storage. I will get my last LCD panel
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> MystX, I have to take apart the 240, I think I forgot to hook up one of the uh
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> backlight connectors
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> because the screen is so dim you can't read it
[1:33] <RITRedbeard> but I remember the panel working and all that
[1:33] <MystX> But not coming back till sunday =\
[1:34] <RITRedbeard> even if you get a working LCD panel that isn't the 240 I would like you to try
[1:34] <RITRedbeard> because I see these laptops as being durable and optimal Pi drop ins.
[1:34] <RITRedbeard> Hell, I'm ready to pin out the keyboard matrix and everything.
[1:34] <RITRedbeard> plus compatibility with the circuit with other panels
[1:34] <RITRedbeard> I know that there are issues with that
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> plus I was sick today, sucks
[1:35] <MystX> Well, the ones ive got should be alright for most
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, but you know you want one of my puppies.
[1:35] <MystX> Yeah i was thinking about the keyboards too =P
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> YOU KNOW YOU WANT ONE
[1:35] * MystX dies
[1:35] <MystX> does*
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> :O
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> he does and then dies
[1:35] <MystX> Freudian slip
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> MystX, I knew him well.
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> but I want to take it apart and make sure the backlight is connected/ain't screwed
[1:36] <Syliss> pi laptop?
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> Yes.
[1:36] <Syliss> cool
[1:36] <RITRedbeard> RISC is sooooooo good!
[1:37] <RITRedbeard> lol hackers
[1:37] <MystX> Risc? 0.o
[1:37] <Syliss> what is ur base?
[1:37] <mrdragons> Heh, that movie is awesome, partly because it's just terrible. :P
[1:37] <RITRedbeard> My base is old Thinkpad chassis
[1:37] <RITRedbeard> the best of the best
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> besides if you can get a panasonic toughbook
[1:38] <MystX> .
[1:38] <MystX> oops
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> but those old big fat thinkpads you can probably put a cluster of Pis inside
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> install inferno/plan9
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> really go to town
[1:38] <mrdragons> Mmmm, plan 9
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> my 380 has french canadian keyboard :)
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> got it from craigsy for $10
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> weighs a ton
[1:39] <MystX> inferno? plan9?
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> runs damn small well though
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[1:39] <mrdragons> I really wish plan 9 were applied outside of education though. :\
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> well some of the plan 9 stuff isn't optimal from what I've heard
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> like the fs
[1:40] <RITRedbeard> but you could make a pi beowulf
[1:40] <RITRedbeard> let me show you a picture
[1:40] <Da|Mummy> based on the OS' pi has running atm, which filesystems work?
[1:40] <mrdragons> Well yeah, there's a lot of things that aren't optimal on it, that's why I wish it were more applied so it could be developed. :\
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> Da|Mummy, good question. No idea.
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> http://goodluckmakingrent.com/images/partialcollectionthinkpads.jpg
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> As you can see, I like to collect Thinkpads.
[1:43] <traeak> i guess you like stinkpads?
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> I guess so.
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> What do you like?
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> Elitebooks?
[1:44] <traeak> what's in the middle?
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> T410
[1:44] <traeak> me? i only have a couple of acer netbooks, typically i only use desktops
[1:44] <traeak> i may be in the market for something like an x120,x130 or x220
[1:44] <mrdragons> 1337800|<5
[1:45] <RITRedbeard> those fusion based one looks sweeeeeeeet
[1:45] <traeak> what's on the right?
[1:45] <mrdragons> I may pick up an old thinkpad some time as a beater to bring to school
[1:45] <traeak> i'd like a better travel machine
[1:45] <traeak> 11.6, 12.5 whatever should work fine
[1:46] <traeak> the 10" ones just don't cut it
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> the X series with the AMD Fusion APU
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> $400 USD
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> it wants you
[1:49] <RITRedbeard> nothing to sneeze at
[1:49] <RITRedbeard> although you could get IBM refurb T6x
[1:49] <RITRedbeard> but they're in the 14.1" to 15" sizes
[1:50] <traeak> woah, celeron 867 based on sandy bridge
[1:50] <traeak> just released jan 31 or something
[1:50] <traeak> trying to find out performance on it compared to core i3
[1:51] <traeak> it's where you see 400USD for that ?
[1:51] <RITRedbeard> New or IBM refurb are you speaking of?
[1:51] <traeak> retail x130e with celeron 867 is $429 retail
[1:52] <traeak> (did i mention that's retail?)
[1:52] <RITRedbeard> ThinkPad X120e
[1:52] <RITRedbeard> AMD Fusion Processor E-350
[1:52] <RITRedbeard> 11.6"
[1:52] <RITRedbeard> 1366x768 (matte, I believe)
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[1:53] <hamitron> ASUS and HP do the laptop I want next with an APU
[1:53] <hamitron> :)
[1:53] <hamitron> well, each do a laptop I would consider
[1:53] <RITRedbeard> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4nr2km2
[1:53] <RITRedbeard> that's retail, yeah
[1:54] <RITRedbeard> but the IBM refurb outlet typically has last generation T6x series for good prices
[1:54] <traeak> looks like the celeron 857 is like 50% faster than an e450 at cpu tasks
[1:54] <RITRedbeard> pffft
[1:54] <traeak> the 867 is clocked hiher
[1:54] <RITRedbeard> faster
[1:54] <traeak> clocked higher
[1:54] <traeak> i care more about cpu honestly and sandy bridge is very efficient
[1:54] <RITRedbeard> we're in a channel named #raspberrypi
[1:54] <RITRedbeard> but you will lose GPU compute if that is important
[1:54] <mrdragons> Oh crap, I forgot a letter
[1:54] <traeak> me? don't care really
[1:55] <traeak> gpus don't seem to speed up compilation
[1:55] <traeak> and it will run only linux
[1:55] <hamitron> aren't the sandybridge on chip graphics ok?
[1:55] <mrdragons> That's not totally true
[1:55] <mrdragons> It may run *BSD
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[1:56] <RITRedbeard> traeak, what are you looking at?
[1:56] <mrdragons> Not to mention all the homebrew OSs that are bound to show up for it
[1:56] * mrdragons doesn't know what the subject is
[1:56] <traeak> RITRedbeard: you mean on lenovo site or cpu benchies?
[1:57] <RITRedbeard> celeron 857?
[1:57] <RITRedbeard> There is a X130e with Core i3-2367M
[1:57] <RITRedbeard> but it is also $200 USD more
[1:57] <RITRedbeard> but 2367M is ULV
[1:58] <RITRedbeard> not sure of the TDP but sure it lasts a long time, same with AMD's Fusion APU
[1:58] <traeak> http://tinyurl.com/7gt99h5
[1:58] <traeak> celeron 867 is newer than 857
[1:58] <RITRedbeard> Whoa, wait what?
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> I didn't know that was an option? What is the 867?
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> Is that some sort of downclocked i3?
[1:59] <traeak> http://ark.intel.com/products/63918/Intel-Celeron-Processor-867-%282M-Cache-1_30-GHz%29
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> or sandybridge?
[1:59] <traeak> yup sandybridge
[2:00] <RITRedbeard> oh damn this is new, no wonder I don't know about it
[2:00] <RITRedbeard> nice
[2:00] <RITRedbeard> but onboard graphics?
[2:00] <traeak> i think hd3000
[2:01] <RITRedbeard> ewwww
[2:01] <RITRedbeard> also max TDP is 37W
[2:01] <RITRedbeard> erm
[2:01] <RITRedbeard> 17W
[2:01] <traeak> Intel GMA HD Gfx
[2:01] <traeak> not sure what *that* is
[2:01] <hamitron> crap that what that is
[2:01] <hamitron> ;)
[2:02] <RITRedbeard> what is combined TDP of the APU?
[2:02] <traeak> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20867.html
[2:02] <RITRedbeard> thermal dissipation
[2:02] <hamitron> I only want an APU, cuz I play games
[2:02] <RITRedbeard> related squarely to power consumption thus battery life
[2:02] <hamitron> ;)
[2:02] <traeak> shame no AVX...hmmm
[2:03] <RITRedbeard> I love Notebookcheck
[2:03] <RITRedbeard> http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-E-350-Notebook-Processor.40941.0.html
[2:03] <traeak> but still this looks like the best bang for the buck for cpu horsepower
[2:04] <traeak> my searches found that site for the celery 867
[2:04] <RITRedbeard> benchies for http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6310.40952.0.html
[2:04] <traeak> looks like the 867 is cpu wise an e450 killer...just apu of course
[2:04] <RITRedbeard> pretty anemic but depends on what you're doing I guess
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[2:04] <RITRedbeard> or maybe CPU is holding back the HD6310
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> that
[2:05] <traeak> for gaming i have core i7 3930k available if i wanted to game
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> that's why MystX needs to get his TDMS-->LVDS circuit goin on
[2:05] <MystX> =D
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> I will pop open my thinkpad's keyboard and run GTS 240 over 1x PCIe directly to the damn panel
[2:06] <traeak> http://www.cpubenchmark.net 857 shows up there
[2:06] <traeak> anyways that's not a bad deal for $429
[2:06] <RITRedbeard> If it were me, I'd probably just buy the APU and with the saved money replace the mechanical hard disk with an SSD.
[2:06] <traeak> just dunno how *really bad* the celery graphix are
[2:07] <traeak> running linux i still don't care about the SSD
[2:07] <RITRedbeard> but when the accelerometer is directly mounted to the hdd, you care
[2:07] <RITRedbeard> Oh, what's that? you moved your laptop slightly?
[2:07] <RITRedbeard> so lame
[2:07] <Syliss> lol
[2:08] <traeak> i have netbooks and never had problem with their spinning disks
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> Oh, what's that? Did you just breathe on your machine? HEADS PARKED
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> I did.
[2:08] <traeak> my son likes to throw them on the floor (stupid kid)
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> He isn't stupid.
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> Unless they aren't Thinkpads or Toughbooks.
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> I make it a point to drop my T410
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> Because it is so rugged.
[2:08] <traeak> he's 18months
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> That's how my original HDD died, I think
[2:08] <traeak> the x130e looks pretty damn solid
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> then I was like fuck this and got my SSD on
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> drop tests
[2:08] <RITRedbeard> :)
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> plus with IBM in colorado we'd go on company picnics and such
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> sucks to take your hard drive to higher altitude and give up the ghost
[2:09] <Syliss> lol
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> not a problem with SSD
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> Bring on Mt. Everest, man.
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> but with low capacity SSD/cheapies you do take a write hit
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> but I don't feel that bad about it.
[2:10] <RITRedbeard> If I actually cared I'd do RAID0 with another SSD in the Ultrabay.
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> BUT your milage may vary
[2:11] <traeak> RITRedbeard: i'm here too, remmeber that :-p
[2:11] <traeak> NO RAID0 !!
[2:11] <traeak> hhe
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[2:11] <RITRedbeard> traeak, what's that mean?
[2:11] <traeak> RITRedbeard: i'm in parker
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> OH yeaaaaaah
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> I'm in NJ. "Home".
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> Sucks. >:|
[2:12] <traeak> ahh
[2:12] <traeak> he
[2:12] <traeak> heh
[2:12] <traeak> yeah i went roller blading for a bit earlier today
[2:12] <traeak> i'm sure the weather there is great for that right ?
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> more like ice skating
[2:13] <RITRedbeard> getting warm friday, maybe I can fly (read: crash) some of my RC planes
[2:13] <traeak> 40 and sunny is great here
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> lucky
[2:16] <Da|Mummy> so no answer on what filesystems work on rpi?
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> always nice in colorado
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> well there is an image of the official distro
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> not sure how you're supposed to format the disk but since it's linux kernel as long as you compile the kernel with support with whatever
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> anything is game
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> but what is effective? depends on the media I guess
[2:17] <traeak> hmm
[2:17] <traeak> Da|Mummy: probably whatever the linux kernel supports
[2:17] <traeak> Da|Mummy: you mean for initial boot or ??
[2:17] <Da|Mummy> does the kernal were on support ext4?
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> We're using 2.6.x right?
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> so probably, but the specific official kernel built by Eben and all that, no clue if they ripped it out to save space or what
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> although since it is running on a SD probably nothing that does journaling
[2:18] <traeak> i personally like spadfs but haven't tested it enough to see how robust it is (and the patches don't compile anymore :()
[2:18] <Da|Mummy> but usb...
[2:20] <traeak> Da|Mummy: hsouldn't be a worry atall, you'll be able to pick and choose your image, i'm certain they'll hvae support for it available, even if its only a module
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> worst case is you can always add support if anything was removed
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> then hopefully the GPU/bios/boot won't be such a strict thing on broadcom's part and you can pick what image you want to boot from
[2:21] <Da|Mummy> on another device i have, 2.6.27 doesnt seem to support ext4
[2:21] <Da|Mummy> without some hackery at least
[2:22] <traeak> i'm pretty sure what they have is later
[2:23] <traeak> too bad teh x220 is so much more than the x130e
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> some of the older ultraportables get realllllllll hot
[2:27] <traeak> yeah, i can easily heat crash a typical laptop....dell xps i7, toshiba i7 alienware i7 125C on the ram and *poof*
[2:28] <RITRedbeard> depends on what you're looking for I guess
[2:28] <traeak> anyways
[2:28] <traeak> rpi again :-p
[2:38] <RITRedbeard> rpi
[2:40] <RITRedbeard> rpi would be a good place to start developing games
[2:40] <RITRedbeard> linucksssss needs more games
[2:41] <MystX> low-spec games
[2:41] <MystX> Actually my game would be a good fit for R-Pi
[2:41] <MystX> Its for linux =D
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> not low spec per se
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> but yes
[2:41] <piofcube> RITRedbeard: Maybe start a trend which can promote alternatives to flash which utilises the R-Pi as best as possible.
[2:42] <DaQatz> Wonder how long after the 20th it will take before we can buy.
[2:42] <MystX> RITRedbeard: do you know much about opengl?
[2:42] <RITRedbeard> She was pretty attractive when I saw her, but I was pretty drunk. My friends said she got around.
[2:43] <MystX> Sounds about right
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> I have a raspberry pi being delivered on the 20th.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> err - typo
[2:43] <MystX> I was sleep deprived
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> raspberry pie
[2:43] <RITRedbeard> opengl is good
[2:43] <piofcube> 20th would be too fast and you're evil :P
[2:43] <MystX> RITRedbeard: I ask because i need some help developing my game =\
[2:43] <MystX> /time
[2:44] <MystX> TIme would also help
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> I don't need
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> I mean
[2:45] <piofcube> Anyone have any idea how dwarf fortress would play on the R-Pi? ;-)
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> uh
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> I don't know about writing games and bliting too much
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> and all that fancy stuff
[2:46] <RITRedbeard> but OpenGL ES is different than OpenGL
[2:46] <MystX> I cant even figure out how to do blending =\
[2:46] <RITRedbeard> but SDL (the infamous library) will support OpenGL ES with iPod support
[2:47] <MystX> Ill pass =P
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> no SDL is pretty good
[2:48] <RITRedbeard> probably a library everyone should use more often
[2:55] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: yeah, it needs better hardware OpenGL
[2:55] <RITRedbeard> which, RPi or SDL?
[2:56] <tntexplosivesltd> SDl
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, what do you mean?
[2:58] <tntexplosivesltd> iirc sdl can't do hardware-accelerated OpenGL?
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> you have to write opengl alongside the SDL
[2:59] <tntexplosivesltd> or can it?
[2:59] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[2:59] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> I think?
[2:59] <DooMMasteR> SuperMeatBoy liverun: http://en.twitch.tv/q00p88
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, it can and does
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> ShiftPlusOne, example?
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> example what?
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> what you're talking about
[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I still don't get it
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[3:02] <RITRedbeard> I took my medication about 30 minutes ago
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> so I'm a bit groggy/fuzzy
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> but lets see if we can break this down
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, it can and does
[3:03] <RITRedbeard> it is a pronoun, it can and does what?
[3:03] <RITRedbeard> can you show me?
[3:03] <RITRedbeard> I am interested
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[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne2> what did I miss?
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah, read up in the logs
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> I took my medication about 30 minutes ago
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> so I'm a bit groggy/fuzzy
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> but lets see if we can break this down
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, it can and does
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> it is a pronoun, it can and does what?
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> can you show me?
[3:07] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> I am interested
[3:07] <Ben64> they started selling raspberry pis
[3:07] <Ben64> you missed em all
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> RITRedbeard, when using OpenGL in SDL you get hardware acceleration... tnt thought you didn't.
[3:08] <RITRedbeard> ...oh
[3:08] <RITRedbeard> I guess.
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[3:31] <RITRedbeard> it's quiet
[3:31] <RITRedbeard> too quiet
[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne2> you're wrong
[3:35] <RITRedbeard> says who?
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne2> everyone else
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne2> but no, it's that time. The limeys have gone to sleep, so it's going to be quiet.
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> what about the convicts?
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> we're still up, it's daytime here
[3:38] <RITRedbeard> yeah but shouldn't convicts be committing crime during the night?
[3:38] <RITRedbeard> so... shouldn't you be sleeping during the day?
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> well I am actually about to go sleep
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> but because I work at night
[3:39] <RITRedbeard> "work"
[3:39] <RITRedbeard> aka B&E
[3:39] <piofcube> work is a four letter word you know?
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne2> O_o
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne2> so is 'four'
[3:39] <mrdragons> So is "Whoa"
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> coincidence?
[3:40] <piofcube> I was always told off by my mother for using "four letter words" ;-)
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> and yet you keep using them
[3:40] <mrdragons> Heh
[3:40] <mrdragons> Fork
[3:41] <mrdragons> Fsck
[3:41] <piofcube> and TLA is a three-letter accronym also... funny world ;-)
[3:41] <RITRedbeard> wife
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[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne2> heh http://twitpic.com/8kviow
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne2> Don't think I've recieved any mail that was actually nailed shut =/
[3:48] <piofcube> LOL.. I got 'round to listening to Eben's interview on Word of Mouth... Just thought it was funny that one of the adverts on the US site was for a car dealership based in "Swanzey".
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[4:04] <MystX> What's in that box?
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> I am guessing a reel of components
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> when things get mass produced, pick and place machines take components from reels like that one.
[4:07] <tntexplosivesltd> a belt for a makerbot
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> oh
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> way off then
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne2> lol
[4:08] <tntexplosivesltd> seeing as that's what his previous posts are about
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah, I thought you new for a fact
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne2> then I am sticking to my components reel theory
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne2> http://www.techzonics.com/4-parts-reels.jpg
[4:09] <tntexplosivesltd> ooooh
[4:10] <tntexplosivesltd> you may be right
[4:10] <tntexplosivesltd> actually that's probably it
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne2> ....psh... a belt for a makerbot... what were you thinking
[4:21] <tntexplosivesltd> looked like http://www.emakershop.com/browse/listing?l=83
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> yeah it does
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> wouldn't make much sense to ship it in a reel though... unless they're recycling or something
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> and since he got his makerbot for free, I am sure they sent him everything he'd need and then some
[4:26] <tntexplosivesltd> oh right I see
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[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne2> yay... solved my first crackme
[4:46] <RITRedbeard> lol
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne2> and the second one... =) kind of too easy with hex-rays decompiler though
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[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOMIBdM6N7Q and good night
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[11:04] <Davespice> Hi guys, can someone just say something in the channel for me. I want to test I haven't screwed up my IRC ignore rules.
[11:05] <drazyl> no
[11:05] <Davespice> tar thanks :)
[11:05] <drazyl> anytime :)
[11:05] <Davespice> just set it to ignore all the joins and quits
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[11:08] <Ben64> tiny 8 port switch for $10
[11:08] <Ben64> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833285010
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[11:13] <rm> yeah, nice
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[12:29] <DooMMasteR> Ben64: but it is only 10/100 -.-
[12:29] <DooMMasteR> ok for the Pi but not ok for many other??
[12:29] <rm> so is R Pi :p
[12:29] <DooMMasteR> ???
[12:30] <DooMMasteR> if one where to connect multiple Pi's that would be a good buy, jepp
[12:33] <mjr> one wonderes wtf that usb is for
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[12:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> power?
[12:34] <zutesmog1> Yes, look at the power adapter it has USB plug
[12:38] <mjr> yes indeed, the power adapter has a mini-usb, and then there's a usb-a-to-micro-b cable for attaching to a computer apparently
[12:38] <zutesmog1> the zuni website says power via USB or power adapter (which has a micro USB plug)
[12:38] <mjr> okay, so it just has both power input options (presumably)
[12:42] <Tachyon> is the pi nic only 100mbit?
[12:44] <WASDx> Tachyon: yes
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[12:44] <Tachyon> dammit
[12:44] <jzu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[12:44] <jzu> there's a "NETWORKING, USB AND WIRELESS" section
[12:45] <rm> it's over USB anyway
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[12:45] <Tachyon> hrm, there are gigabit usb nics, that's unteresting
[12:45] <rm> it wouldn't get much past 200-300 mbit anyway
[12:45] <Tachyon> given usb23 is limited to 480mbit
[12:45] <Tachyon> -3
[12:45] <rm> yep
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[12:45] <Tachyon> I want to use one as a basis for my NAS box
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[12:45] <Tachyon> as my NAS is unreliable and evil
[12:46] <Tachyon> and nearly lost 2+TB of my data the other day
[12:46] <Tachyon> had to rebuild the root fs on it, by hand
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[12:50] <Tachyon> grawr
[12:50] <Tachyon> why are broadcom such arses re documentation
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> Because they are.
[12:54] * SpeedEvil grrs at his GPL violating broadcom CPU.
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> hired a few too many lawyers and accountants I guess
[12:59] <mjr> Tachyon, it's just not a good nas, being 100M and even that takes away from the bandwidth available to disk access (over the usb)
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[13:00] <Tachyon> my existing NAS tops out at 10mbit on nfs or 4mbit on samba
[13:00] <Tachyon> err
[13:00] <Tachyon> mbytes/second sorry
[13:00] <Tachyon> I'm sure the pi can do better than that
[13:00] <Tachyon> even with its limitations
[13:00] <mjr> not sure if the usb in practice can do 100M from disk and 100M to network at the same tiem...
[13:01] <mjr> well, maybe
[13:01] <Tachyon> if it's usb2 youd expect so, notsure if the 480mbit is per port or per controller
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[13:01] <mjr> the ports and the ethernet interface are hubbed into one SoC USB interface
[13:01] <Tachyon> argh
[13:01] <mjr> it's 480Mbps total
[13:02] <mjr> and that's theoretical
[13:02] <Tachyon> that is not the answer I was looking for, please adjust reality accordingly
[13:02] <Tachyon> ah well, it'll do, lol
[13:02] <Tachyon> it's more about reliability than speed anyway
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[13:03] <archo43> hi
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[13:03] <Tachyon> as I say, this one killed itself and I had tospend wednesday evening and most of yestrday rebuilding the root linux fs on the NAS, with no documentation
[13:03] <Tachyon> and due to the use of a pointless proprietary binary blob in the NAS
[13:03] <Tachyon> I cannot access the array in any other system
[13:03] <archo43> im a little disappointed with my raspberrypi
[13:03] <Tachyon> thankyou very much acer
[13:04] <Tachyon> (warning: If you ever see an acer altos easystore NAS going, however cheap/free, walk on!)
[13:04] <mjr> archo43, is your problem that it doesn't exist yet?
[13:04] <archo43> no, i took it out of the box...
[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> archo43, what's the problem?
[13:04] <archo43> and tasteed it, and it wasnt very good
[13:04] <Tachyon> didyou get one of the auction ones?
[13:04] <Tachyon> oh right
[13:04] <Tachyon> an attempt at humour, a rather poor attempt to be sure...
[13:05] <archo43> i dont find it funny, 25$ was alot for pie
[13:06] <drazyl> nice and crunchy tho
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[13:08] <archo43> yeh i prefer a creamier texture
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[13:08] <archo43> but i donno, the taste was just off
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[13:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VxSs1kGZQqc <- awesome
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[13:40] <archo43> urgh, this is aweful... do you know if i can get a refund for a half-eaten pie?
[13:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> no you cannot
[13:57] <archo43> :(
[13:58] <archo43> urgh im never buying a raspberry pie again
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[14:17] <SpeedEvil> archo43: Straight raspberry can be a bit rich.
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> 25% or so of raspberry + apple is delicious.
[14:18] <archo43> yeh i see
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[14:25] <archo43> why isnt there a warning on the box about this?
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[14:33] <koaschten> wtf twitter explosion
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[14:46] <archo43> twitter explosion?
[14:46] <archo43> where?
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[14:46] <koaschten> i was more referring to the amount of rpi twitter posts...
[14:46] <hamitron> is it out yet?
[14:47] <koaschten> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
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[14:47] <hamitron> I not got access to twitter
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[14:47] <hamitron> :/
[14:47] <koaschten> there are 100k people on the "its in stock" mailing list :(
[14:48] <hamitron> hehe
[14:48] <hamitron> doesn't mean all will buy
[14:49] <hamitron> a lot of things that get hyped up have loads of interest
[14:49] <hamitron> then often most never commit
[14:49] <koaschten> Heh! We are on track for releasing before the end of the month, but they won't even come off the production line until Mon.
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[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> besides... think of all the 5 people who refuse to spend $35 because of the binary blob.
[14:58] <drazyl> lets hope there's lots of them
[14:59] <koaschten> also lets hope that a lot of people wont order because its 35 and not 25 because its the b model
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[15:03] <SpeedEvil> I wanna be able to buy the 'scrach and dent' ones.
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> scratch and dent ones?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> Out of a batch of 10000, it's extremely likely some won't work.
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[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[15:09] <SpeedEvil> For several reasons. For example, in most of my apps, I don't care about HDMI out.
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> has anyone asked about that on the forum?
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> If it's broken, it's unimportant.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Not as far as I'm aware.
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[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> might be a good idea
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> though in such cases, isn't the factory meant to supply fixed units?
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> If you contract for 10000 working units, you get 10000 working units.
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> If you contract to have them assemble 10000 units, then you get 10000 assembled units, and a few that don't work.
[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[15:11] <rm> I wonder if the factory does any sort of QA themselves
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> The first also implies you need to pay the factory extra to do testing.
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[15:12] <SpeedEvil> And they need to buy overages of components
[15:13] <koaschten> I assume they do point tests to ensure the solders are ok and stuff
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> rm, I think they'd do at least a bed of nails type test (measuring various voltages).
[15:13] <koaschten> what ShiftPlusOne said ;)
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> It depends on what they're paid to do.
[15:13] <rm> some things you can't check w/o trying to power it on
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> The boards may be electrically tested prior to manufacture - that's quite likely and a common automated service.
[15:13] <rm> e.g. whether the BGA soldered fine
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I am talking about what generally happens... it depends on what their arrangment is.
[15:13] <rm> and the RAM soldered fine on top of it
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Testing after manufacture for connectivity is not usual
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> it would make sense to do a hardware test measuring voltages and then have a test firmware to check IO ports, RAM and such.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Generally pointless.
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> The first part
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> If the voltages are incorrect, it's unlikely to boot.
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> It's not impossible, but it's quite unlikely.
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[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Something like a simple test jug gthat plugs all the connectors into the board, and then looks at the HDMI video output on a monitor with a webcam, and sends it off over the network, for example.
[15:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Well it's not just voltage though is it? The bed of nail testers do a lot more than that, right?
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> It depends how much you spend.
[15:18] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Most plausible failures are likely to manifest in some way.
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[15:19] <SpeedEvil> If it was me, I'd probably do something pretty minimal - remembering it's $25 or so of hardware - like the above quick test, then ship it.
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> The above also has the advantage you can jury rig something to do it out of common hardware and connectors
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[15:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Wouldn't that be expensive and time consuming for such a large order?
[15:20] <RantingTalker> nice i didnt know this place existed :)
[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, welcome, we've been expecting you.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> You make a little jig that you pop the board down in the middle, pull a lever, all the plugs go in.
[15:21] <RantingTalker> loool
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> then while it boots, you do the other three boards.
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> 20s/board with one person is quite achievable.
[15:22] <RantingTalker> is there any page about interfacing digital electronics with the pi?
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> it takes longer than 20s to boot though
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[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> oh you mean on average, with several at the same time
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> That's 1400 per shift
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[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, look up the GPIO-related pages on the wiki.
[15:23] <RantingTalker> thanks will do
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, and the gpio spec sheet from broadcom
[15:23] <RantingTalker> that's probably a bit too much for me :p
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[15:24] * RantingTalker is quite the noob
[15:24] <drazyl> what you planning on interfacing to?
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[15:25] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, then the best thing to do is to wait for other people to do something similar and then learn by looking at what they did. When I get a board, I'll see if I can write some tutorials... if I am not too much of a noob myself.
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[15:25] <RantingTalker> i did mess a lot with userspace linux before, also on embedded devices, mostly routers, and my PDA
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> In many cases, the hardware side is identical to talking to a (3.3V) arduino.
[15:25] <RantingTalker> but nothing really supertechnical
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> So there is lots out there.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> The software side is just the GPIO (or serial) interfaces
[15:26] <RantingTalker> well i know about GPIO pins
[15:26] <RantingTalker> but never used them...
[15:27] <RantingTalker> not to interface anyway
[15:27] <koaschten> Well consider them to be general purpose pins and you can make them act as input or output. ;)
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, have you messed around with an arduino or just a microcontroller?
[15:27] <koaschten> so worst case is you will have to implement some kind of serial protocol
[15:27] <koaschten> which both pieces of hardware understand
[15:28] <RantingTalker> ShiftPlusOne: yeah but only simulated
[15:28] <RantingTalker> it was not much of a problem
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, well you should have the background to be able to figure it out then.
[15:28] <RantingTalker> drazyl: sorry, just exploring my options
[15:29] <ShiftPlusOne> now then... back to messing around with crackmes
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[15:30] <RantingTalker> never heard of that
[15:30] <RantingTalker> well it would be nice if there was a small example program or something like that, when the pi is released
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> (reverse engineering 'puzzles'.... I think it's a good way to learn assembly)
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, isn't the gertboard source available?
[15:31] <RantingTalker> i dunno what the gertboard is
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> look it up, it may help
[15:32] <koaschten> gertboard is a plug on board like the arduino i/o shields
[15:32] <koaschten> it has some general purpose stuff to drive motors, status led's etc
[15:32] <koaschten> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411
[15:33] <RantingTalker> i can only find an image of the board
[15:33] <RantingTalker> of the PCB
[15:34] <RantingTalker> and some forumpost
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe no source then =(
[15:34] <RantingTalker> its very painful to find info
[15:34] <RantingTalker> this wiki thing also doesnt work
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> RantingTalker, well yeah... the board isn't out, lol.
[15:34] <RantingTalker> i had to use the search to find the gpio page
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[16:02] <mkopack> Hey gang
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[16:02] <mkopack> 1 day closer :)
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[16:02] <mkopack> (Of course, given the moving target, hard to know how much closer ??? LOL)
[16:03] <Caver> lol yeah
[16:03] <mkopack> I can't believe the S-storm in that config.txt thread about overvolting and the warranty issues
[16:03] <Caver> *agreed*
[16:04] <mkopack> Homestly, if it's going to cause that much headache, just remove the damn option from the GPU blob bootstrapper
[16:04] <Caver> how much warranty can you expect anyway
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if there is any way anyway that they can get out of legally providing a warranty.
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> If they sell to consumers a finished product.
[16:04] <mkopack> Yeah, well, there's always SOMEBODY who will bitch and try to go after them for $$
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> (in the UK)
[16:04] <mkopack> Right, I believe UK/EU law requires it
[16:05] <mkopack> so if they just remove the over voltage option, then the single fuse they have in there is sufficient
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> There is the sale of goods act, with the presumption that any faults in the first 6 months are the vendors fault
[16:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ iEU law does
[16:05] <mkopack> If you find a way to over volt it, then you've done something to void the warranty
[16:06] <mkopack> If you're having to over volt it in order to over clock it, then maybe you should be looking for a more powerful device in the first place
[16:08] <Caver> provided it's not been abused, and you could happily argue, over volting it enough to blow a fuse, is abuse ...
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[16:09] <ShiftPlusOne> one of those things people aren't going to agree on... the raspberry pi foundation gives a solution where everyone should be covered and people are still saying "no, it has to be done this one particular way!"
[16:09] <Caver> yeah
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[16:12] <Caver> well I guess it was the "it's unbrickable for kids" claim, where as seemingly over-volting might make that less true
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> the solution with the fuse to prevent over-volting is perfect, I don't know what people are complaining about... it's the best of both world.
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> s
[16:15] <mkopack> Right, which is why I think just removing the option from the Blob makes the most sense
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> why?
[16:16] <mkopack> If you blow the fuse and they didn't provide you the option in the blob itself, then you obviously abused it in some way outside what they allowed
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hardware manufacturers can provide features which, when enabled, void warranty, I am sure.
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[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> it's why we have void warranty stickers over screw covers
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> otherwise they would have to melt everything shut
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yet you always have the option of taking your various hardware apart... you just acknowledge that you void your warranty in the proccess. config.txt overvolting option is like the screw, and the fuse is the sticker.
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[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> or am I missing something?
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, there's a demo of the galaxy s2 being submerged in water showing that it "still works", yet the warranty would still be void, so they have moisture detectors inside. Just because it's designed to appear like it's still working, doesn't mean it's a guarantee that your phone will work if you put it under water... it most certainly won't.
[16:21] <mkopack> The worry is that because it's controlled in the SD card, a kid who wants to be malicious, could just set the option in an SD card, drop it into somebody else's Pi and blow the fuse.
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[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, which is why the first thing you do is blow the second fuse to disable that option. Though I like the suggestion that it should be done in software
[16:22] <mkopack> So a school ends up quickly having every Pi with blown fuses because some punk kid decides to be a jerk, and there's nothing they can do about it.ANd now they have a bunch of units that the warranty is void on
[16:23] <mkopack> If you remove the option from the software, the kid can't EASILY be malicious. Sure he could hook it up to a 20V source and blow the board??? but that should be a lot easier to notice a kid doing
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> (unless they have disabled the option... which they should've.... should be the first thing in the manual or a script which runs on the education-specific rootfs image)
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[16:24] <Caver> well the design is kinda fixed now anyway
[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, it feels like you're completly ignoring the secondary fuse.
[16:24] <mkopack> Ok, I see what you're saying??? 2nd fuse controls whether or not you can over volt, and you set an option on first boot that allows you to blow that 2nd fuse and thus lock out ever allowing overvolting
[16:26] <Caver> hmm I'm getting a bit consirned we're making straw men here
[16:26] <victhor> that's one of the things that could easily be solved by adding a $1 PROM :P
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[16:27] <mkopack> Sure, but that's then 1/25 the cost of the unit
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[16:27] <Caver> well more than that
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[16:44] <mkopack> The twitter feed has some info???.
[16:45] <mkopack> First production units off the line on Monday, being tested on site prior to freighting
[16:45] <Davespice> hands up if you're exited? :)
[16:45] <mkopack> And they're getting sent to multiple distribution sites (i.e., US, UK, etc.)
[16:46] <mkopack> No info yet on which shipper they're using, but that will be provided next week.
[16:46] <mkopack> apparently a LOT of info is coming out next week
[16:49] <hourd> \o/
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[17:00] <Hourd> /o\ i wont have net access when rpi is released
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... no distractions
[17:00] * SpeedEvil should offer a service to people without net access.
[17:00] <mkopack> Doh
[17:00] <Hourd> hehe
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> They can just give me their CC number, and I'll order it for them.
[17:01] <Hourd> i meant more i wont be able to order one
[17:01] <mkopack> Speed: LOL. :)
[17:01] <Hourd> heh
[17:01] <Hourd> totaly legit
[17:01] <mkopack> Hourd: well, there's always later production runs
[17:01] <mkopack> maybe you'll have net access then
[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Hourd, or you can go to a library or something
[17:01] <mkopack> Internet cafe? friend's place?
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[17:15] <Hourd> phone will do
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[17:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> I can so the same as SpeedEvil so give it to use both and see how many you can get ;-p
[17:17] <Hourd> i'd like any so 1 will do me
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[17:17] <Hourd> so what projects do people have lined up for their first rpi?
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[17:18] <mkopack> Get it running ROS
[17:18] <Hourd> ?
[17:18] <mkopack> Robot OS
[17:19] <mkopack> And also try it as a video player on an older SD TV
[17:19] <Hourd> hmmmm
[17:19] <mkopack> You?
[17:20] <Hourd> I'm writing my own robot from scratch which is what my first rpi is going on
[17:20] <mkopack> gotchya
[17:20] <Hourd> building some of the sensor rigs tomorow
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[17:21] <mkopack> Well, I have a telepresence robot right now running off an older laptop, but the laptop adds a lot of weight, the battery doesn't last long, and it's just kinda crummy. Thinking if I can get ROS running on the Pi, then even if I have to put 4 of them on the robot and a network switch, I still can probably get more power + pwrofrmance for less weight and longer battery life out of the Pis
[17:21] <Caver> ought to work
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[17:23] <mkopack> And since ROS is designed to be multi-processor/node based, running on multiple Pi's actually would work well.
[17:23] <mkopack> Offload different subsystems to different Pis
[17:23] <Hourd> ooo i like
[17:23] <mkopack> Never heard of ROS Hourd?
[17:23] <mkopack> www.ros.org
[17:23] <Hourd> i was planning on running a tiny gentoo installation and using C++
[17:23] <mkopack> It's quickly becoming a popular platform for building robotics
[17:24] <Hourd> on the pi, connected to an arduino or other mc to operate hardware
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[17:24] <mkopack> Provides a TON of stuff right out of the box,and there's a bunch of other libraries you can add to it to add more features
[17:24] <Hourd> yeah just on the site now (i should be working)
[17:24] <Hourd> i asume its got libraries for common sensors and motors?
[17:24] <mkopack> ah, yes, there's a bridge to have ROS talk to an Arduino so you can command it to move actuators and read from the sensors on the Arduino
[17:25] <mkopack> Yes
[17:27] <mkopack> It takes a little getting used to, but basically everything in ROS works on a publish/subscribe setup.. you make nodes and subscribe to listen to different types of data, and indicate what kinds of data that node produces
[17:27] <mkopack> So you can run nodes on different networked machines, or multiple nodes on a single machine.
[17:27] <Hourd> damn thats exactly what my diss was going to be
[17:27] <mkopack> doh. sorry!
[17:28] <Caver> so you could have multiple Pi's running different systems, and just network them
[17:28] <mkopack> yup, exactly
[17:28] <Caver> this I like a lot
[17:28] <mkopack> Use one for doing the computer vision code, one that's interfacing with micro controllers to read sensors, another that's talking to a MC for running motors, another that's doing planning, etc.
[17:29] <mkopack> They're all just passing data back and forth among each other
[17:29] <Caver> wow
[17:30] <mkopack> For instance, I was able to do it where I had Linux running on my laptop with ROS going, and had it talk over USB to a lego Mindstorms NXT controller block, and listen to the sensors on it, do some logic (on the laptop) and send commands to indicate to the Mindstorms to turn on or off it's motors, and at the same time, talk to an arduino to tell it to operator other motors and turn lights on and off
[17:31] <mkopack> The Arduino and NXT acted as just slave units and presented info to, and listened for commands from the ROS nodes
[17:32] <Caver> very powerful setup
[17:32] <Caver> and I guess quite expandible
[17:32] <mkopack> Yeah, it's gaining a lot of traction in robotics research
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[17:33] <Caver> I can see why the Pi is rather attractive hardware for this kind of thing
[17:33] <mkopack> I just wish they'd come out with a web control interface API so I could run my telepresence robot through a web interface and not have to run ROS on the laptop as well
[17:33] <Caver> runs from a couple AA batteries, reasonibly powerful, no hard disk ...
[17:34] <mkopack> Yeah, I could stack like 10 RPi's, + Battery Pack + network switch within the same footprint as a laptop, and don't have to deal with a screen or hard drives???
[17:34] <mkopack> And a LOT more USB ports then too
[17:34] <Caver> nor heat
[17:35] <mkopack> yup??? no power wasted on fan
[17:35] <mkopack> s
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[17:35] <mkopack> And a lot more flexible on placement???
[17:35] <Caver> I guess it will come down to ... is a ~300MHz pentium type speed, fast enough
[17:35] <mkopack> I don't need 1 big space for a laptop - I could place RPi's all over the place
[17:35] <hamitron> if you want more I/O, there will be better alternatives though
[17:35] <mkopack> depends on what parts you want to do...
[17:36] <mkopack> For computer vision, probably not??? so might need to find some way to do some of that with the GPU or with multiple Pi's??? planning might be rough too??? but otherwise, that should be plenty of power for most stuff
[17:38] <Caver> yeah
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[17:38] <Caver> I'd been thinking about using a Pi to talk to my roomba, as a base platform
[17:39] <hamitron> 3.5W x 10 gives you 35W
[17:39] <Caver> thinking about it, I can have one Pi donig that, and then others, on what ever else I want to mount on the mobile platform :)
[17:39] <hamitron> bit power hungry :)
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[17:39] <mkopack> ham: Yeah, but that's no more than I'm burning now with a laptop
[17:39] <mkopack> And I certainly don't have a 10 thread CPU core in the laptop
[17:40] <mkopack> (although the overall CPU performance is probably about the same)
[17:40] <hamitron> better the laptop can do more per thread
[17:40] <hamitron> exactly
[17:40] <hamitron> also, I wasn't really thinking laptops
[17:40] <mkopack> It's a thought. Not saying it's going to be the better solution??? It's just something I'm interested in trying out
[17:41] <hamitron> more boards like the pi, but with more I/O
[17:41] <hamitron> :)
[17:41] <hamitron> and slightly better cpu
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> I want to use it to replace my router.
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[17:41] <mkopack> BBone :)
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> wifi router
[17:41] <mkopack> or Bboard-XM ??? been looking at them
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> To do wifi router + serial logger for mains power meter + webcam server.
[17:42] <mkopack> Maybe this summer. I don't even have time to work on my robot right now as is, let alone more hardware, given my current grad school workload on top of working full time
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> And to shave ~10W of power consumption from my system.
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Also IRC proxies
[17:42] <mkopack> And yeah, Speed, that's another thing I'd like to try to use it for - Zoneminder for watching the dog while I'm away at work
[17:42] <hamitron> I've almost convinced myself not to get one atm
[17:42] <hamitron> :/
[17:43] <Caver> I've tried zoneminder before ... it can chew through a awful lot of cpu
[17:43] <mkopack> As I see it, the BBone and the Rpi are 2 somewhat different products??? The RPi has WAY better video capability than the BBone or BBoard??? But the BBone/board have more RAM + CPU power...
[17:43] <hamitron> looks good, is good, but I really can't decide if I'd "get around" to it
[17:44] <mkopack> Caver: Well, I only need to run a single cam
[17:44] <hamitron> I could see it been one of them devices ya buy, and it sits picking up dust ;)
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[17:44] <Caver> sure ... just refrain from doing the movement detection type stuff
[17:44] <mkopack> hamitron: Yeah, like the SheevaPlug computer dev unit I bought???
[17:44] <hamitron> yeh
[17:44] <hamitron> I wanted one of them too
[17:44] <hamitron> ;D
[17:44] <mkopack> Caver: Yeah, makes sense??? that would use a lot of CPU trying to constnatnly compare frames
[17:45] <hamitron> or my PSP that I got thinking about playing with homebrew
[17:45] <mkopack> have one, never used it for anything??? So hard getting any sort of Linux support. Unless you're linux whiz, it's a PITA???.
[17:45] <hamitron> or my ngage, that I only really ever used as a phone
[17:46] <Hourd> mkopack: thanks for making me aware of ros
[17:47] <mkopack> Hourd: No problem??? Hope that didn't screw your thesis/dissertation!
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[17:47] <Hourd> my diss funnily enough is an abstracted remote robot api, via web sockets so you can interface with it how you like
[17:47] <mkopack> But better to know now before turning it in and having it rejected
[17:47] <Hourd> which i will be running off of an rpi
[17:48] <mkopack> interestig
[17:49] <mkopack> Hourd: So maybe that would be a cool thing to do - make your web socket API interface into ROS???
[17:49] <mkopack> ie: You provide a web socket interface into ROS so people could make web-based interfaces to get status+control ROS
[17:50] <mkopack> They had something kinda like that, but it's marked "Internal Use only" and was for the Willow Garage PR2 robot only???
[17:51] <Hourd> my idea was so people without any real robotics knowledge could write their own programs in any language (that supports sockets) and could test their code on a physical robot rather than simulated
[17:51] <Hourd> or get one of my robots or a robot that cna use the api and then jsut deploy their code... sorted
[17:52] <Hourd> bit of a tall order but i'm keen
[17:52] <mkopack> interesting
[17:53] <Hourd> for example lots of people like messing with data and doing cool stuff with it, well they wouldnt need to know low level robotics to control a sonsor rig and get data
[17:53] <Hourd> *sensor
[17:53] <mkopack> Gotchya??? where you going to school?
[17:53] <Hourd> Aberystwyth University
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[17:53] <mkopack> Where's that? UK?
[17:53] <Hourd> yeah Wales
[17:53] <Caver> Wales
[17:53] <mkopack> ah
[17:54] <mkopack> PhD ?
[17:54] <Hourd> BSc
[17:54] <mkopack> gotchya
[17:54] <Hourd> i'n an undergraduate at the moment
[17:54] <Hourd> also you may have notices, my typing is terrible today
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[17:54] <mkopack> suggestion - if you're even remotely interested in grad school, go SOONER rather than later??? I waited 15 years before going back for Masters and it's HELL.
[17:55] <mkopack> Can't go full time because I have all the trappings of adulthood - mortgage, car payments, etc.
[17:55] <mkopack> So I have to go part time while working full time (although work pays for grad school) but it's HELL??? I've forgotten all the math stuff, and it's just hard trying to juggle school, work and home
[17:57] <mkopack> Thank god I only have 1 more year left to go...
[17:57] <traeak> going to school part time while working full time spoils all the fun
[17:58] <traeak> need to find a way for work to put you on part time and reimburse you
[17:58] <traeak> or them pick up the difference
[17:58] <Hourd> yeah i am weighing up the options of doing masters + PHD or just leaving education
[17:58] <mkopack> See, can't afford to work part time..
[17:58] <traeak> the problem is that getting a master's/phd straight after getting a BS is IMHO pretty worthless
[17:58] <Hourd> after graduating my degree of course
[17:59] <Hourd> oh?
[17:59] <traeak> another option is to intern
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[17:59] <mkopack> Yeah, doesn't hurt to go work for a year or two, and then come back, but gotta be careful not to get a bunch of bills built up in the mean time...
[17:59] <traeak> Hourd: yeah, thre's this little thing called "reality" that education doesn't help with
[17:59] <mkopack> Like, hard to go back to school full time when you have a car payment to make
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[17:59] <Hourd> traeak: yeah i'm on a placement year this year working
[18:00] <traeak> not sure if the germans are still doing this but they do require real work for a while
[18:00] <traeak> it's not real work because it's still part of the education cycle
[18:00] <Hourd> yeah its hell to get a job in the UK straight out of uni without any real experience, hence doing this placement year
[18:00] <mkopack> PhD is really only useful if you want to either teach, or do research
[18:00] <Hourd> this is real work
[18:00] <Hourd> mkopack: which i do
[18:01] <mkopack> And to be honest, so far, my Masters work hasn't really been all that much deeper than my undergrad was (granted different schools, so maybe my Undergrad program was just better )
[18:01] <traeak> i learned that i would make a horrible engineer that way
[18:01] <Hourd> i'm doing the same job as everyone else in the office, and get treated the same
[18:01] <traeak> worked at a couple diff factories
[18:02] <traeak> so i work in tehcnology instead of engineering, i'm glad i had the experience
[18:03] <Hourd> yeah i have discovered i wont be working in frontend web development
[18:03] <Hourd> it sadens me
[18:03] <traeak> heart broken, eh?
[18:03] <Hourd> too much "must support internet explorer 6/7" ;___;
[18:04] <Hourd> so no interesting features...
[18:04] <Hourd> so boring
[18:04] <mkopack> i *hate* doing web stuff
[18:04] <mkopack> such a PITA??? too many issues supporting the various browsers
[18:04] <traeak> i'm not an artist
[18:04] <steve_rox> installl IE6 just to piss MS off?
[18:04] <Hourd> same, see i like the backend stuff, but i hate all the user interaction stuff
[18:05] <traeak> if i do a website i'll copy something like slashdot or reddit or osnews
[18:05] <traeak> hehe
[18:05] <mkopack> have to stay on top of too many different languages - HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.
[18:05] <traeak> apparently that's not kosher
[18:05] <mkopack> and yeah, I'm a HORRIBLE graphics person
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[18:05] <mkopack> yeah, I MUCH prefer backend processing code
[18:05] <Hourd> php, perl, bash and a half decent databse, thats all you need :P
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[18:05] <traeak> hmm
[18:05] <mkopack> shuddler Perl/PHP
[18:05] <mkopack> eeew LOL
[18:05] <Hourd> its fine
[18:06] <Hourd> at least its not java
[18:06] <traeak> for my personal sanity i'd probabyl want to do all i could in javascript, both front and back end
[18:06] <Hourd> traeak: node?
[18:06] <mkopack> I <3 Java :)
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[18:06] <Hourd> seriously?
[18:06] <mkopack> yes, why not?
[18:06] <traeak> Hourd: too many tools spreads you too thin
[18:06] <Hourd> i think i just dislike it because of how i was taught it
[18:06] <mkopack> Powerful extensive standard library
[18:07] <Hourd> bad uni assignments
[18:07] <mkopack> heck, I've helped write books on Java.
[18:07] <traeak> yeah you have to be careful with it
[18:07] <Hourd> i'm getting into python
[18:07] <traeak> i'm talking about javascript, i won't touch java, been burned too much by stupid java shit in the past
[18:07] <Hourd> my robot stuff is C++ and python
[18:08] <mkopack> I can do C++ as well, but hate how you have to do all the addition memory management crap??? Adds so much extra effort
[18:08] <traeak> probably its the type of coding style, etc it fosters, stupid gross over engineering is rampant
[18:08] <Hourd> yeah true but java is kinda bloated while running
[18:08] <traeak> i mean for java
[18:08] <mkopack> python is nice for prototyping, but it's too slow for serious stuff
[18:08] <traeak> mkopack: you must be using c++ wrong, there's almost no memory management to be done
[18:08] <Hourd> mkopack: oh yeah its just when i throw tests togetehr and stuff
[18:08] <traeak> mkopack: java came from how c++ was used in the 90's
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[18:09] <traeak> no way you should ever code c++ like java
[18:09] <mkopack> All the pointer management, being careful to free things properly so you don't have memory leaks, etc.
[18:09] <traeak> what pointer management? you writing device drivers ?
[18:09] <Thorn_> free() in c++? eh?
[18:09] <mkopack> I LIKE having the garbage collector
[18:09] <traeak> or just used to very sloppy design and let the langauge deal with it?
[18:09] <Thorn_> i cant stand javas garbage collector, let me tidy my own mess please
[18:09] <mkopack> I just set the object to null and it takes care of cleaning it up??? I can focus on the business logic and not all the bookkeeping
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[18:10] <Thorn_> it's unbearable when working with platforms with little memory (eg android apps)
[18:10] <traeak> terhes' nothing to be done, use smart pointers
[18:10] <mkopack> well, true??? Java isn't great for low memory environments (although I HAVE done some amazing stuff in the past on very constrained devices with it)
[18:10] <traeak> it's not a big deal
[18:11] <traeak> if atall
[18:11] <mkopack> I can do C++, I just don't prefer it???
[18:11] <mkopack> I just have done a LOT more Java, so I feel more comfortable in it.
[18:12] <traeak> i hope your c++ doesn't look like java, then you're doing it wrong
[18:12] <traeak> :-p
[18:12] <traeak> anyways
[18:12] <mkopack> Eh, it's OO design.. shouldn't matter which language it's done in :)
[18:12] <drazyl> it's when you get confused between c, c++, javascript and php that it gets worrying
[18:12] <traeak> i'm not sayign c++ is awesome great, it's just stayed relevant for a *VERY* long time
[18:12] <traeak> no, c++ isn't all OO
[18:13] <traeak> it's one of the paradigms and one we heavily avoid in our most recent code base
[18:13] <traeak> anyways
[18:13] <traeak> back to waiting on rpi
[18:14] <traeak> sweet slashdot is down?
[18:14] <drazyl> looks like it
[18:14] <rm> http://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/170510522293297153
[18:14] <traeak> drazyl: yeah, i'm having that problem after re-introducing matlab
[18:15] <mkopack> rm: YAY :) we can only hope!
[18:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> rm no - they dont come out of fatory until monday
[18:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
[18:17] <drazyl> probably a status update
[18:17] <mkopack> yeah
[18:17] <mkopack> Liz did say there's going to be a lot of info announced next week
[18:17] <traeak> of course
[18:17] <traeak> build up the excitement before crashing multiple servers
[18:18] <mkopack> The units will go through testing @ the factory before shipment, and will be going to multiple distribution points around the world at the same time
[18:18] <drazyl> away this weekend, so I can happily wait
[18:18] <mkopack> No info on shipper yet
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[18:18] <rm> wonder how they're going to decide how much to send where
[18:18] <mkopack> dunno
[18:18] <mkopack> Probably somewhat based on population density?
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[18:19] <drazyl> bloody foreigners, coming over here, stealing our raspberry pi's
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> 3 for the elven kings down under , 7 for the dwarves in their halls of us, nine for mortal UK men doomed to die ,,,, one for eban
[18:21] <drazyl> and a partridge in a pear tree?
[18:21] <Tachyon> lol
[18:21] <Tachyon> is it out yet?
[18:21] <Tachyon> hrm, thought one of the bots answered that
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> Surely 'one for eban, on his dark throne'
[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> aye - just got clipped by fat fingers
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> 'In the land of Broadcom where the shadows lie.
[18:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[18:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh nearly pub time
[18:27] <mkopack> RaTT: wish it was for me here!!!! Only lunch time here??? Can't wait to get outta the office today.
[18:27] <mkopack> (of course, I have school work all weekend to look forward to.. sigh)
[18:28] <mkopack> Ah, "You will NOT have to use PayPal to buy your RPi"
[18:28] <mkopack> Posted 1 minute ago
[18:28] <mkopack> on twitter by Liz
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[18:31] <traeak> what will you have to use ?
[18:31] <traeak> carrier pidgeons ?
[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/off-topic/one-pi-to-bind-them-in-distribution#p42069
[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ok - l8r all .... to the PUB
[18:32] <traeak> have phun
[18:32] <Caver> enjoy
[18:34] <traeak> ugh, NWN the first for 3.38USD
[18:34] <traeak> for everything
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[18:36] <traeak> interesting i didn't know nwn2 was on a similar engine, i thought it was all new
[18:36] <traeak> http://drmccoy.de/gobsmacked/?p=484
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[18:36] <traeak> how much ram ??
[18:37] <traeak> recommended: 256MB ram (windows 2000), nvidia gf2, p3 800
[18:37] <traeak> minimum requirements much less, sounds like it could be a pi candidate (original NWN)
[18:38] <mkopack> Sure if you can get the src and recompile it
[18:38] <mkopack> God GF2???
[18:38] <mkopack> lol
[18:41] <Davespice> oh they've posted my pic of the raspberry pi sticker over Victoria on the District Line :)
[18:41] <traeak> mkopack: the second link is an open source engine that is already loading a bunch of the NWN assets
[18:41] <traeak> i mean the link i posted
[18:41] <mkopack> ah, cool
[18:42] <traeak> hopfully it gets farther faster than the baldur's gate reimplementation
[18:43] <mkopack> ok, off to get lunch. BBL guy
[18:43] <mkopack> s
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[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne2> is writting your own assembler hard? >.>
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[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Define that.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> If you mean writin gyour own program to generate opcodes from an assembler language - no, not very.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Or do you mean coding in assembler.
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne2> nuh, actually coding the assembler (the first one)
[18:48] <Hourd> home \o/
[18:48] <Thorn_> and away
[18:48] <Hourd> hurr
[18:48] <Thorn_> did you know ShiftPlusOne2 actually starred in that show?
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne2> it's true
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne2: It's not really hard.
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne2> but other than opcodes there seems to be a lot of crap surrounding PE and elf files... time to look at the specifications I guess.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne2: You don't need to actually generate ELF
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> Unless you want to run it on linux
[18:50] <Thorn_> but if you do make sure you generate a wood elf
[18:50] <Thorn_> linux hates dark elfs
[18:50] <Hourd> hehe
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[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne2> SpeedEvil, alright thanks... that'll give me something to do I suppose
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[19:24] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[19:24] <PiBot> mrdragons: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[19:26] <Elfish> i wonder when it'll be available for ordering
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[19:26] <WASDx> hopefully this week
[19:26] <WASDx> month*
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[19:26] <piofcube> Last interview Eben did he suggested up to two weeks after they are finished at the factory.
[19:27] <WASDx> ok, have not watched that
[19:27] <piofcube> Understandable I guess considering they will have to test some and package the rest
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[19:28] <WASDx> yep
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[19:29] <DaQatz> !w
[19:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Feb 17 22:51:00 2012. Temp 46??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 54%, Later 55??F - 23??F. Condition: Showers.
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[19:33] <traeak> !w
[19:33] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Feb 17 12:53:00 2012. Temp 4??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 32%, Later 3??C - -7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:37] <Caver> !w
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[19:43] <DaQatz> Caver, use !weather_set loc <Your location>
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[19:44] <Caver> yeah I think it's forgotton me
[19:44] <Caver> oh well
[19:44] * Caver looks out of the window instead
[19:45] <hamitron> !weather_set loc york uk
[19:45] <PiBot> hamitron: Your location has been set to york uk.
[19:45] <hamitron> !w
[19:45] <PiBot> hamitron: in York, York on Fri Feb 17 17:50:00 2012. Temp 51??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 77%, Later 52??F - 43??F. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[19:45] <hamitron> cool :)
[19:45] <DaQatz> If you're in the UK also do !weather_set c
[19:45] <hamitron> I prefer F ty
[19:45] <DaQatz> AH okies
[19:46] <DaQatz> !weather_set ra
[19:46] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using rankine.
[19:46] <DaQatz> !w
[19:46] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Fri Feb 17 22:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 54%, Later 514??Ra - 482??Ra. Condition: Showers.
[19:46] <DaQatz> Oi
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[19:54] <octeris> Is out yet?
[19:54] * Caver reads the latest tweets and wonders if the stress is getting to people
[19:55] * octeris whistles
[19:59] <hamitron> I wonder if Boot2Gecko will be created for the r-pi
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[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> since this channel is PG13, I was reading what the limitations are. Everyone gets a "single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive".
[20:10] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i think that depends. is it prewatershed or not?
[20:11] <hamitron> depends on the timezone
[20:11] <hamitron> ;)
[20:11] <ukscone> and can you negiaotiaate to swap one f*** for 2 B*****s or not?
[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I am just going by MPAA's classifications.
[20:11] <hamitron> well, I'm just gonna try to be as polite as I am irl
[20:12] <hamitron> if you wanna ban me, ban me I suppose :/
[20:12] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: this is your final warning -- we don't use bad words like MPAA in here
[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sorry =(
[20:12] <mrdragons> XD
[20:12] <hamitron> haha
[20:12] <Thorn_> lol
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[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> is that all the **AA's?
[20:13] <ukscone> well not the automobile association or alcoholics anonymous but one the whole
[20:13] <ukscone> s/one/on
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[20:13] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: of course being Ops in the channel we are allowed to do what we want :)
[20:14] <ukscone> it's a case of do as I say not as I do
[20:14] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[20:14] <PiBot> Thorn_: The boards will be completed on February 20th.
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... pibot is back again, huh?
[20:14] <ukscone> that shoudl be the first boards will be completed on 20th of feb
[20:14] <hamitron> that or just ignored me earlier :/
[20:15] <DaQatz> PiBot was only gone while the server was down.
[20:15] <DaQatz> Someone had messed up the electrical where the server is
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[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm in Australia, "PG (Parental guidance recommended) ? Contains material that young children may find confusing or upsetting, and may require parental supervision." So we're allowed to confuse and upset children =D
[20:19] <Thorn_> hey lil faget, dinner money now
[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and in Britain "All ages admitted, but certain scenes may be unsuitable for children under 8. May contain mild language and sex/drugs references. May contain moderate violence if justified by context (e.g. fantasy)."
[20:20] <Thorn_> lol
[20:21] <DaQatz> PG in the states. Likely to contain Violence and Sex. But no religion.
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Who regulates what's allowed on TV and at what times in the states?
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> My guess is nobody... 'cause that's socialism.
[20:23] <DaQatz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_and_Practices
[20:23] <ShiftPlusOne> actually in UK pg13 maps to the '12' rating which is " Films under this category can contain mature themes, discrimination, soft drugs, moderate swear words, infrequent strong language and moderate violence/sex references."
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> DaQatz, socialism!
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, it's a department within a television network... never mind.
[20:25] <DaQatz> The FCC will also get "huffy"
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right... the FCC... socialism!
[20:25] <ReggieUK> facism
[20:26] <ReggieUK> fascism even
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, americans aren't worried about fascism, they're used to it.
[20:26] <ReggieUK> ouch, that's a bit strong ShiftPlusOne :D
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[20:27] <DaQatz> You know what's funny? People who say Americans are ignorant about how people in other countries think. All the while making statements that are entirely ignorant of how Americans think.
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, those people are jerks
[20:28] <Aquilus> Shouldn't that be statement, singular?
[20:28] <Aquilus> You can't just attribute several to them, that would be ignorant of you.
[20:28] <ReggieUK> I guess they're the same as any other people? A very broad spectrum of views across the board
[20:28] <DaQatz> Pretty much.
[20:28] <ReggieUK> funny that
[20:28] <DaQatz> Being that it's a diverse place, more so then many countries.
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> but considering all the coverage of the republican primaries recently, it's hard not to think "wtf, America?"
[20:30] <Aquilus> Though considering that it's practically mandatory for their leaders to state that they pray to God for guidance, I can see why people want to make rash judgements at times.
[20:30] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, only if you think that all americans are republicans and all republicans are bad
[20:30] <DaQatz> Well the media here for the most part is on the opposing political side from the republicans. So the coverage can be somewhat "interestng"
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, that's the fun of living in a democracy.
[20:31] <ReggieUK> ;)
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[20:31] <ReggieUK> the media everywhere seems to be on an opposing side to the incumbents, not just america
[20:32] <ReggieUK> because they see their role as gods gift to freedom and truth in the public interest
[20:32] * SpeedEvil was provoked into shouting at the TV during watching BBC parliaments coverage of the lords.
[20:32] <DaQatz> most of the media here atm supports the current incumbent.
[20:33] <DaQatz> They were often labeling anyone who questioned his policy a "racist"
[20:33] <ReggieUK> ahh, it's just our media that seems to be painting a grim picture for obama
[20:33] * SpeedEvil finds it slightly amusing that Obama is never called white.
[20:33] <ReggieUK> they ran a program on the tent citys springing up around large population centres in the us this week
[20:33] <DaQatz> Because if they didn't like his policies, it MUST be because he's colored.
[20:33] * DaQatz shakes his head.
[20:33] <ReggieUK> anyone would think it's obama's fault the way it was portrayed
[20:33] <DaQatz> What a mess.
[20:33] <Aquilus> "colored"?
[20:34] <Aquilus> Is black/brown more of a colour than white/tan now?
[20:34] <Aquilus> :p
[20:34] <ReggieUK> white and black were never colours were they?
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a heated racial discussion right there.
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadroon
[20:35] <Aquilus> ReggieUK: Some people say they are, some say they aren't.
[20:35] <ReggieUK> it's useful to think of them as colours when describing an object
[20:35] <ReggieUK> such as paint
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> To be fair, some people do closely approach black.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Not african-americans though (typically)
[20:36] <ReggieUK> my discussion on black/white is nothing to do with race btw. just logically from a how colours are constructed point of view
[20:37] <DaQatz> Environment heavily affects your pigment.
[20:37] <Aquilus> Speaking of which, what's with "african-american"?
[20:37] <Aquilus> Why isn't "european-american" used at all?
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> Aquilus: and yes - it's a silly term,.
[20:37] <DaQatz> The longer they stay here, the lighter they will get.
[20:37] <DaQatz> Unless they are in the southern part of the country.
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: you're not big on the whole genetics thing, are you?
[20:37] <DaQatz> Genetics apply
[20:37] <ReggieUK> tbh I don't see many issues with using those kinds of words to describe skin tones
[20:38] <DaQatz> However environment is also a fatcor.
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> for the purpose of genetics, race is kind of irrelevant. People tend to talk in terms of populations rather than race.
[20:38] <DaQatz> Over generations people adapt.
[20:38] <ReggieUK> brits get called limeys ffs :D WERE NOT GREEN GODDAMNED YOU <--- would be a fairly childish argument about being called it imho
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: No, they don't.
[20:38] <Aquilus> ReggieUK: It's not because of your colour, it's because you're sour.
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: At least not over several generations.
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: Especially not with modern healthcare.
[20:39] <DaQatz> SpeedEvil, not much for the who evolution thing aye?
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: Evolution stops somewhat once you start - for example - treating skin cancer or vitamin D deficiancy.
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> There is no forcing pressure.
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> If you treat skin cancer, and/or people spend a lot more time indoors, then there is no pressure for genes that reduce skin cancers incidence.
[20:40] <DaQatz> That doesn't mean it will negate evolution. Only influence it a different way.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> The same way that many animals lose genes that code for synthesis of 'essential' proteins, if they can get them from tehir environment.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Which can mean they're screwed if they later need those genes.
[20:41] <ReggieUK> is that inherent in humans too SpeedEvil?
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:41] <ReggieUK> very interesting!
[20:41] <DaQatz> I also say that "modern healthcare" is an environmental influence in the context of evolution.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> There are a number of dietary essentials in humans that lower mammals that were our ancestors can synthesise, but we can't.
[20:42] <ReggieUK> DaQatz, how so?
[20:42] <DaQatz> Well for one not everyone has it.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> And/or we have defective genes that don't work for.
[20:42] <DaQatz> It depends on the place you live.
[20:42] <ReggieUK> sure but how does it influence evolution, in what way?
[20:42] <DaQatz> Ie part of the local environment.
[20:43] <ReggieUK> good or bad? do more of the crappy genes get passed on because of healthcare?
[20:43] <Aquilus> More.
[20:43] <DaQatz> Well that will depend.
[20:43] <DaQatz> Even with modern health care the social aspect applies.
[20:43] <DaQatz> Many people will not seek medical care of these issues.
[20:44] <Aquilus> Generally speaking, I mean. People with "crappy genes" that would have died without healthcare may propagate those genes on to the next generation.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> If - for example - you can't work your iphone, and girls like people with iphones, you genetically fail.
[20:44] <DaQatz> If this advantageous gentically, then that social trait will continue.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> But, if you are prone to skin cancer, that may not be an issue anymore.
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[20:45] <DaQatz> How did we move from politics to how medical care affects evolutionary influences?
[20:46] <Aquilus> No idea.
[20:46] <Aquilus> IRC works in mysterious ways.
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> something about obama being 'coloured'
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[20:48] <DaQatz> So talking about Obama being mulatto lead to that...
[20:48] <DaQatz> Oi
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[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne2> SpeedEvil, might be worth pointing out that skin cancer isn't all that treatable, so it's still a pretty big force
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[20:52] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne2: It depends how early it's caught.
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> So vanity may be selected for.
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne2> I mean as a whole, not on an individual level
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> If it's caught before it penetrates the basalar layer of the skin, it's very treatable AIUI
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[20:57] <mkopack> Ahh.. lunch was good but too short??? Didn't get to spend enough time with Paulina (SMOKING hot waitress)
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> mkopack, well that's neither here nor there
[20:58] <mkopack> I went here: http://tiltedkilt.com/
[20:59] <mkopack> And she makes the girls on the web site look like dogs
[20:59] <mkopack> :)
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> O_o
[21:00] <ReggieUK> that's not a pub
[21:00] <ReggieUK> that's a titty bar
[21:00] <mkopack> LOL
[21:01] <mkopack> In america, it's the same thing :)
[21:01] <mkopack> lol
[21:01] <mkopack> We don't have what you guys consider true Pubs....
[21:01] <mkopack> Closest we have are sports bars
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> what's a true pub?
[21:01] <mkopack> And there's certainly tits, but covered...
[21:02] <mkopack> I don't know, just what I see in movies of English pubs is rarely what we have here in the States
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> hm ok
[21:04] <mkopack> We seem to largely have either night clubs, or sports bars
[21:06] <haltdef> I'm uncomfortable in all of these places :P
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> well? 'sit out yet?
[21:08] <IT_Sean> :p
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[21:10] <mkopack> Sean: Looking like next week
[21:10] <IT_Sean> awesomeauce
[21:10] <IT_Sean> *awesomesauce
[21:10] <mkopack> first units are supposed to roll off the assembly line on Monday, get tested, and then sent to the distributors
[21:11] <IT_Sean> fan bloody tastic
[21:11] <mkopack> Distributors in a couple locations, so when you order it'll come from the closest depots
[21:11] <mrdragons> Pfft, vaporware.
[21:11] * IT_Sean releases a cloud of vaporware in mrdragons' general direction
[21:11] <mrdragons> (I can't wait, I might explode) ^_^
[21:11] <hamitron> should have them all in the UK, and give priority to 1 "zone" like with major games consoles
[21:12] <IT_Sean> hamitron: don't be a dingleberry
[21:12] <piofcube> no... they should just have sent them to my address... I would post them out... eventually ;-)
[21:12] <hamitron> in the UK we have to wait for stuff from abroad, so they should wait for stuff from here ;)
[21:13] * IT_Sean adds hamitron to the Do Not Sell to list, for the first batch of raspis
[21:13] <hamitron> hehe
[21:13] <IT_Sean> heh... he thinks i'm joking. How cute.
[21:14] <hamitron> I wasn't gonna order from the first batch ;/
[21:14] <ukscone> IT_Sean: he's been on the "do not sell to" list for ages
[21:15] * hamitron honored
[21:15] <IT_Sean> ukscone: he has? I haven't been keeping up with it.
[21:15] <ukscone> i think the list is about 97,000 people long
[21:15] <IT_Sean> wow
[21:15] <mkopack> Well, either way, I'm expecting to see lots of info come out early next week. Liz seems uber busy from her twitter posts today
[21:15] <ukscone> and you thought father christmas was bad for list making
[21:15] <mrdragons> That's it? Only ~100k people? You need to add more
[21:15] <Tachyon> argh
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[21:15] * Tachyon wonders if he'll even get a pi
[21:15] <piofcube> I'm usually on the "Nod politely to and throw an occaisonal M&M at" list
[21:16] <ukscone> mrdragons: the sell to list is only 40 people long
[21:16] <Tachyon> is it just a cse of keep checking the site for an order now announcement?
[21:16] <mrdragons> Ah, so the rest are just kind of ambigous
[21:16] <ukscone> and 35 of them are my pseudonyms
[21:16] <mrdragons> >___>
[21:16] <Tachyon> if it is I'll set it as the damn homepage -.-
[21:16] <hamitron> hehe
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[21:17] <mrdragons> If it is, it's time to make a quick script
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[21:17] <ukscone> hmmmm cat treats are actually pretty tasty
[21:17] <xlq> >_<
[21:17] <piofcube> Oh... I thought all those bots that came in here were also refreshing the store page to auto-buy the R-Pi? mine is
[21:17] <hamitron> maybe not a good idea to create a rumor(?) like that, or the site will be down before release ;)
[21:17] <ukscone> reached down to grab a couple of peanuts and put my hand in the cat treat bag instead by accident
[21:18] <xlq> ukscone: Don't eat too many, you might have to go to the vet! (*giggle*)
[21:18] <IT_Sean> ukscone: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
[21:18] <hamitron> cat treats smell really tasty
[21:19] <Tachyon> are they made with real cats?
[21:19] <xlq> :P
[21:19] <hamitron> :)
[21:19] <piofcube> made at the same factory as girl scout cookies
[21:19] <Tachyon> speaking of which, I think I'll order a chinese
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Tesco Brand Cat Treats! Made for, by, and WITH arseholes!
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[21:20] <mrdragons> ._.
[21:20] <hamitron> piofcube, CAUTION: may include pussy
[21:20] <IT_Sean> caaareful there
[21:20] <IT_Sean> lets keep it PG13 in here
[21:20] <hamitron> cats ofc
[21:20] <hamitron> ;/
[21:21] <piofcube> IT_Sean: Funny you say that... I noticed some of those round shaped cat treats with the hole in the middle reminded me of my cats backside...
[21:21] <IT_Sean> HAHAHA!
[21:21] <hamitron> I was gonna be grabbing coffee and snacks
[21:21] <hamitron> not sure I need them this second now ;/
[21:22] <ukscone> they haven't effected me in anyway at all meow
[21:24] <piofcube> question is... twigletts or Iams... which has the best flavour?
[21:24] <ukscone> piofcube: well that's a bit of a hardone
[21:24] <ukscone> i'd have to go with the twiglets i think although science diet does look pretty good
[21:24] <piofcube> dont see many cats eating twigletts... so erm
[21:25] <hamitron> in the words of harry hill...."there is only one way to find out....."
[21:25] <ukscone> i used to like dog biscuits, they are great for dunking
[21:25] <piofcube> ukscone: Last longer in the cuppa before they break off and sink to the bottom?
[21:25] <ukscone> piofcube: yup
[21:25] <hamitron> :(
[21:25] <hamitron> my snacks for tonight was gonna be cookies
[21:25] <ukscone> and great for giving you coat a nice healthy shine
[21:26] <ukscone> my hair never looked so good
[21:26] <piofcube> makes it difficult to pass a lampost though
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[21:34] * IT_Sean passes around a jar of cat treats
[21:38] * mrdragons takes one out of curiousity
[21:38] * mrdragons nibbles
[21:38] <mrdragons> ._.
[21:40] <Thorn_> i c wut u did thar
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[21:47] <ancncur> dones anyone know if someone is working on any emu (mame, etc) ports for the RP?
[21:48] <chris_99> you should easily be able to compile those i would have thought
[21:48] <ancncur> great, thanks
[21:48] <haltdef> I think mame will already have an armel package, no porting required
[21:49] <ancncur> even better
[21:50] <traeak> youch, got shocked by my headphones
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[21:51] <ancncur> What would be your opinions on the RP running something along the lines of a Nintendo 64 game rom? playable speed?
[21:51] <xlq> traeak: Oh, have you got shockingly good ones?
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[21:52] <traeak> heh
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[21:52] <traeak> i make sure they're discharged before putting them on...dragging my feet onthe floor must have done something bad
[21:53] <traeak> !w
[21:53] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Feb 17 14:53:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 33%, Later 6??C - -7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[22:13] <haltdef> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads :o
[22:14] <ancncur> Is that the 'official' distro then?
[22:15] <haltdef> I believe fedora will be the one bundled for schools etc but a few will be made available
[22:15] <IT_Sean> That is correct. there will be one "official" distro for the edu market. However, there will be a smattering of distros avail for us.
[22:16] <haltdef> I'll be building my own rootfs
[22:16] <haltdef> just to see if I can
[22:16] <ancncur> Would this image be useable in qemu?
[22:17] <haltdef> I doubt it
[22:17] <haltdef> I'd imagine the kernel is very raspi specific :P
[22:17] <haltdef> don't have it yet though
[22:22] <ancncur> so as it stands there's no way to test out the image without a physical RP on hand?
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> the kernel isn't VERY raspi specific
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> ancncur, you can compile your own kernel, or run a generic qemu kernel
[22:27] <haltdef> guess I know what will be hogging my upload for a while :P
[22:27] <ancncur> then running that image would require replacing the kernel with something more appropriate for it to be able to run in qemu, sounds good
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[22:30] <mkopack> hehe, and everyone must be hitting it because it won't direct DL
[22:30] <haltdef> yeah that didn't last long
[22:30] <haltdef> those torrents will be very well seeded very soon
[22:30] <mkopack> Guess I'll have to go fetch Transmission for my Mac
[22:30] <haltdef> I'm seeing some seedbox hostnames
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[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ for a qemu kernel+initrd
[22:33] <mkopack> ok, it's starting
[22:37] <mkopack> It's actually going relatively fast???. 60 peers
[22:37] <mkopack> Looking like < 1 hour total
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> 4.2kB/s .... =|
[22:38] <haltdef> 700 :D
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I hate you all
[22:38] <haltdef> 1.2MB/s
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> >=|
[22:39] <haltdef> 360 peers, wow
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> how long ago did this go up?
[22:40] <mkopack> Looks like < 15 minutes
[22:40] <haltdef> tweet was at 21:11 uk time
[22:42] <hamitron> how big is it?
[22:42] <IT_Sean> That's what she said
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> 797MN
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> *MB
[22:42] <haltdef> no, I usually get something like "that's it?"
[22:42] <haltdef> :(
[22:43] <hamitron> man, that will have to be cut down somewhat
[22:43] <hamitron> :/
[22:43] <haltdef> that is compressed
[22:43] <haltdef> raw disk images can be insanely compressible
[22:43] <hamitron> I was hoping for maybe 100MB
[22:43] <hamitron> ;/
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe they didn't zero the empty space
[22:44] <haltdef> compression would sort that
[22:44] <haltdef> though, zip, bit crap nowadays isn't it
[22:44] <haltdef> ooh 1.8MB/s, 8 seconds left
[22:44] <hamitron> it is as good as it always has been ;)
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> how can it compress a disc image if the empty data isn't zeroed... it would have no idea what's useful data and what isn't O_o
[22:46] <IT_Sean> 15 minutes 'till my threwe day weekend starts
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> 9 hours.... woo... I'll be at work when it's done >=/
[22:47] <haltdef> it should speed up
[22:47] <haltdef> unless your connection sucks a bit? :P
[22:47] <hamitron> will there be a naked version released later?
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> the connection is fine, just far away from all the peers
[22:48] <haltdef> <Raspberry_Pi> RT @FanaticFamily: @Raspberry_Pi HTTP-mirror @ http://t.co/6XWzSwmY <bit.ly/AtYHD9> for the next hour!!!!
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> schweeeeeet
[22:48] <haltdef> add as webseed, speed up torrent for other people in your country mebbe? :P
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> the mirror is timing out as well
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> though I am not even that interested in debian
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[23:00] <mkopack> ok, cool, I'm downloaded apparently
[23:01] <mkopack> I'll leave my torrent client up for a little while longer just to help others out a bit...
[23:01] <mkopack> But I have it pretty throttled since I'm on a 4G connection
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[23:02] <haltdef> I'll be able to seed at max indefinitely
[23:02] <haltdef> though, my max is 70KB/s :P
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[23:08] <urs> < ShiftPlusOne> http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ for a qemu kernel+initrd
[23:08] <urs> The kernels there only seem to support ext3
[23:08] <urs> but the image is ext4
[23:08] <xlq> Is it backwards-compatible? Can't rememebr.
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[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> urs, you can always copy the files to an ext3 file system or compile your own kernel
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[23:10] <urs> yep, just wanted to point that out
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> my new reflow station makes a great hand warmer =)
[23:12] <chris_99> is that a heat gun?
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[23:12] <chris_99> how hot do they range from out of interest?
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> the setting goes up to 450 (celcius I am guessing)
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure how how the air that comes out is actually
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> but plenty enough to melt solder
[23:13] <hamitron> mine goes upto 630 C, burns everything to a crisp
[23:13] <hamitron> ;)
[23:14] <hamitron> I not actually tried it for much with electronics though
[23:14] <ShiftPlusOne> well pointing it at paper turns it to ash
[23:14] <hamitron> it is good to melt the surface of acrylic, get a nice smooth finish
[23:15] <hamitron> and to defrost water pipes
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[23:15] <hamitron> ;)
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[23:15] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, is it easy to get into reflowing?
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> idn about reflowing, I use it for SMD
[23:16] <hamitron> kk
[23:16] <Thorn_> he also uses it for BDSM
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> but there are different degrees. It's easy to reflow badly, it's hard to do it properly.
[23:16] <hamitron> haha
[23:16] <hamitron> well, I'd only want to do it well
[23:16] <hamitron> ;/
[23:16] <hamitron> but gotta start somewhere I suppose
[23:17] <hamitron> tbh, I think I'd prefer SMD for a start
[23:17] <hamitron> I used a soldering iron for that, when I needed to last time
[23:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah a soldering iron is plenty, but a heat gun is nice
[23:18] <hamitron> yeh, I was scared
[23:18] <hamitron> ;)
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... going to go open a window to get the smell of molten plastic and burnt paper out.
[23:18] <hamitron> :D
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[23:22] <warddr> I'll have to stop seeding soon, 25GiB in less than an hour...
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yay... 1 hour left
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[23:30] <traeak> seeding what?
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, O_o
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, the raspberry pi order codes
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[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, or the first disk image they are releasing
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[23:44] <mrdragons> Hah
[23:46] <Thorn_> sorry
[23:47] <mkopack> Yeah, I shut mine down. I figured the 10KB/s I was contributing over my 4G network interface wasn't exactly super helpful
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, for sb2's ssh upload/launch thing, does the target need anything special running on it other than sshd?
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[23:50] <mkopack> Miller Time! Later guys!
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[23:54] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: eh? what?
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, IIRC there were some sb2 feature you mentioned some sb2 feature which used ssh to... do something or other....
[23:58] <ukscone> that's sbrsh
[23:58] <ukscone> not dealt with that yet
[23:58] <ukscone> really want to use it on a real raspi rather than in qemu
[23:59] <ukscone> as networking in qemu sucks and is a pita
[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I was just wondering whether the target needed anything other than ssh running

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